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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff, your

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Speaker 1: weekly reminder that humans are capable of incredible things like

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Speaker 1: shooting lots of fascists or whatever. I'm your host, Margaret

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Speaker 1: Kiljoy with me today. Is the one and only, but

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Speaker 1: possibly not the only. There might be other people with

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Speaker 2: James Stout. Hi, James, Hi, Hi, Yeah, fuck all the

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Speaker 2: other James Stouts. They're actually very nice. I in the

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Speaker 2: early days of social media I added all the James

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Speaker 2: to like mutual aid work I've done for over, like,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing. Okay, Well there's an almost as good

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Speaker 2: James Stout. And if you're listening, good on you. Yeah, hi,

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Speaker 2: ad the James Stout.

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Speaker 1: James is probably most familiar, of course to listeners as

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Speaker 1: a maker of sour dough bread, but in addition to that,

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Speaker 1: Happen Here. Yeah, that's right, our producer of Sophie. Hi, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: the only Sophie that's true that you don't even need

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Speaker 2: I in turn walk away because to.

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Speaker 1: Do yeah exactly. Our theme music was written for us

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Speaker 1: by Unwoman. So this week I promise you dead fascists

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Speaker 1: right up at the top. You're going to get dead fascists.

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Speaker 1: But not just before or during World War two, because

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Speaker 1: fascism continued for decades in Europe after the end of

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Speaker 1: the war. In Spain, that is true. Yeah, yeah, real

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Speaker 1: I also promised. I also promised James that a plumber

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Speaker 1: quest fighting evil, and that part is true. Also, so

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Speaker 1: there's an awful lot of people who are firmly dedicated

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Speaker 1: to stopping fascism in Spain, even though the great world

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Speaker 1: leaders were no longer behind them. Right, it was easier

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Speaker 1: to be an anti fascist when the US and the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even then they were very, very pretty tight with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true that today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a band of brothers, if you will, three brothers. Mostly

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Speaker 1: talking about a plumber by trade who spent decades robbing

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Speaker 1: trade unionism and anarchist cyndicalism. Because today we're going to

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, this is going to be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially we're gonna talk about Francisco Sabatae, also better

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Speaker 1: known during his life as El Kiko. Yeah, so you've

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Speaker 2: This is not an area in which I like most,

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Speaker 2: like resistance to Francoism stuff, I'm not as good on

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Speaker 2: I do. Like I'm reading Abel Pass's book about de

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Speaker 2: Ruti at the moment, which everyone should read, but one

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of anarchist historians who absolutely put me

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Speaker 1: All right. So the Sabate family, yeah who I first

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Speaker 1: Barcelona is the only city in Spain I've spent any

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Speaker 1: Fredare and the Modern School movement. Basically, there was a

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Speaker 1: So the father of our protagonists is a cup, Manual Sabote.

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Speaker 1: the oldest son was Jose Sabatetio part in Katalan naming

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Speaker 1: he was el Qiko. I have asked around and gotten

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Speaker 1: They took different approaches to life. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: the fuck later. He's born in nineteen twenty seven, which

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Speaker 1: He was willful. When he was seven, he was sent

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. The kids taught themselves to be cool and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Catalan Republicans did their own little uprising as well,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that one. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's this kind of tragic story, and they could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I I'll put that one on the Republic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Okay, have you heard about this this leftist ruby Ridge,

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Speaker 2: Casas v Hus. Yeah, yeah, the say status is the

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Speaker 2: guy right like six Yeah? Yeah, so great book, Anarchist

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Speaker 1: So there's a seventy year old anarchist named Sa Stato's

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Speaker 1: you know what, fuck the government kind of the thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they'd pro to ruby read only.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the fire stories of one. I've heard that they've

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Speaker 1: Yeah that that makes sense. Cool, but you know what

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Speaker 1: So the two Sabata brothers, the older brother, Jose who's

437
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Speaker 1: an old man now he's twenty two, and al Kiko.

438
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Speaker 1: They in some other form los novatos, which it means

439
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: the rookies or the apprentices, but it also sort of

440
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: means the new or as Google wants to suggest, then newbies.

441
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Speaker 2: I love that. Yes, the nubes, So.

442
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to use. They're the nubes because

443
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: it's the funniest. They form an action group. This is

444
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: like a thing that is a big part of a

445
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: lot of anarchist resistance throughout time is action groups, essential

446
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: affinity groups that people get together and are like, well,

447
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: we have shared values and want to get some shit done.

448
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: So they formed the Nubes, and they immediately throw themselves

449
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Speaker 1: into the struggle. They join some of these uprisings. They

450
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: keep trying to declare anarchist communism. They're in the Fia FAI,

451
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: the Five, which is the more anarchist core, the larger

452
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: anarchos Cinclist union, the C ANDT, and they are training

453
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: in the woods. But how to fight and blow shit up?

454
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a way.

455
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. And their first gun fight is actually when the

456
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: cops try and break that up, they get away. I

457
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: think no one's heard on either side.

458
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Speaker 2: A lot of these gunfights just seemed to be like,

459
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: h like a paintball tier kind of engagement. Why people

460
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: just shoot at each other and no one gets hurt.

461
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: Which I mean is kind of a like don't come

462
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: any closer thing, right.

463
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of people with really shit weapons

464
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 2: firing at each other from a really long way away. Yeah.

465
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: Whenever. Like some of the first pieces I ever did

466
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: were about like the nineteenth century nihilist who's kept trying

467
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: to kill this zar and all of the more bad shots.

468
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: And I kept thinking to myself, by the time the

469
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirties roll around, anarchists are not bad shots anymore. Yeah,

470
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: they've been practicing, Yeah they've some of these the Sabate

471
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Brothers in particular, pull off some ridiculous shooting at various points,

472
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Speaker 1: but not during this particular engagement. So in nineteen thirty three,

473
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: more villages declare for anarchist communism. The Nubes show up,

474
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: they throw down, the revolt is crushed. The CNT leadership

475
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: gets all arrested. This happens so many times during this story.

476
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: Is all of the CNT leadership get arrested or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

477
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 1: which is one of the cool things about anarchism is

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's sucks, but if you can arrest all

479
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: other leaders, this kind of doesn't totally.

480
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a big thing. It's really interesting to

481
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: like listen to speeches of that time because it's even

482
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: distinct from like the anarchism we talk about today. And

483
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: it went like they'll be likes because other anarchists would

484
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 2: come to look at the Spanish anarchists and they'd be

485
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: like that was a really good speech, Like he had

486
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: a real bango. Why didn't everyone clap? And then they'd

487
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: be like, well, we don't want to engage in leaderism here,

488
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: and so by being here and paying attention, they're showing

489
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Speaker 2: their support.

490
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Speaker 3: Damn.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but sure it has to be because these people

492
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: knew that they would spend like fifty percent of their

493
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: lives in prison.

494
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, totally or just die the next day.

495
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They were being killed a lot too.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah. El Kiko got arrested for his first time just

497
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: hanging out outside of an anarchist bar, but the charges

498
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: didn't stick. Three days later he was out. In nineteen

499
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: thirty four, the Nubes ran around and they gathered up

500
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Speaker 1: all the guns that were abandoned by retreating soldiers during

501
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: a nationalist uprising. Like, yeah, this is the this is

502
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: what this is what I'm talking to you about. This

503
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: was the they when the Catalan Republicans A. Yeah, okay,

504
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm guessing no that that makes the most sense.

505
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

506
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: I was like reading this and I'm like, man, there's

507
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: so much that happened during these like six years that

508
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: like anyway.

509
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why he said they never cemented down

510
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: the cobblestone to Barcelona because people were always just putting

511
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: them up to make barricades. Again.

512
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and stock probably in all these guns does them

513
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: a lot of good, because these are some of the

514
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: guns that they use to stop a fascist coup. A

515
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: few years later, in nineteen thirty five, al Kiko meets

516
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: the woman he will marry, Leona and Casteez Marty, who

517
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: frustratingly enough, is only mentioned occasionally in the biography that

518
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: I read, But as far as I can tell, he

519
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: seems good to her, trusts her, involves her in his

520
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: life better than some of the historical anarchists men that

521
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: I've read about. Frankly, I think that the person who

522
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: wrote the biography, Sabote, does not think incredibly highly of women,

523
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: and I had to do a lot of research to

524
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: fill in the gaps in the history where women did things.

525
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: It's disappointing Spanish anarchists have generally been much better in

526
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: gender terms.

527
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: No, totally. I was like, I was talking about this

528
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: with someone earlier today, and we were talking about how, like,

529
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, you got to kind of grade on a

530
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: curve when you talk about like feminism and history. But

531
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: anarchists in Spain were ahead of that curve overall. Yeah,

532
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties and forties, well, thirties, mostly in

533
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: nineteen forties they're mostly dead or in France, as we'll

534
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: talk about, or Mexico. Yeah, fair enough. And so then

535
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: it's like particularly annoying that this biography is like Noddingrea.

536
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: A lot of the women.

537
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: Super disappointing, like even like I know, at points in

538
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: his life to Ruchie was a house husband because his

539
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: partner earned more than him. Yeah, so he stayed stayed

540
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: home and looked after the kids, like yeah. And of

541
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: course women for in the anarchists militia legally initially, and

542
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: they had they loved, some rejected marriage even like Republican

543
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: Catalonia had the right to abortion and yeah, divorce like yeah,

544
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: which is relatively unusual with the Tony Yeah.

545
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: And then h yeah good and frank good feminism and

546
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: then and then fascism.

547
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, bad history, I guess.

548
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: And speaking of fascism. On July eighteenth, nineteen thirty six,

549
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: Spain had a civil war. If you want to hear

550
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: more about that, you can listen to James tell me

551
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: about this particular part of it, and Jose and Alkiko

552
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: are alight, all right, sign me up. Let's go. Let's

553
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: go fucking fight the fascist only Actually, the Nubs started

554
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: working a couple of days ahead of time, because anti

555
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: fascist intelligence, I think is sometimes better than state intelligence

556
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: attracking fascists. Yeah, the anarchist in Barcelona knew that this

557
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: was this was happening, So a few days before the

558
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: Sabate brothers, Sabate Brothers and others just went around and

559
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: rated houses and stole all their guns and shit. Yeah,

560
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: which rules, thanks for the loot box.

561
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. The all the German anarchists who have been exiled

562
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: living in Barcelona were like, you know, there are some

563
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Nazis in that house, and they guarantee they have a

564
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: shit ton of guns. And they found a ship ton

565
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: of guns. They got like a big machine gun that

566
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: they put in the back of a truck and proceeded

567
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: to use a technical and by the time the actual coupstar.

568
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: Tube, which is a thing we're thinking about when we

569
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: think about how disproportionately armed the right and the left

570
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: doar in the United States.

571
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Mark Boxes.

572
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the fascist stage a coup anyhow, or they tried.

573
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: The fascist Franco invaded his own country. In Barcelona, anarchists

574
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: and the cops stopped the together, sort of not together,

575
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: but the two of them stopped the fascist coup. Yeah,

576
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: see lots of episodes of that. We've done about that.

577
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Soon the Sabote brothers and the rest of the Nubes

578
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: joined the anarchists militias and go off to the front.

579
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: Olkiko decided that he was going to stop cutting his

580
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: hair and his beard until Spain was free of fascists.

581
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh I can really get behind that. Yeah, because he's

582
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: like twenty or what, remember his rules. I'm just so

583
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: into it.

584
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

585
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: This led to a bunch of shit where people assumed

587
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: he was one of the Russians who had come to help.

588
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: Amazing.

589
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So people would come up and practice their Russian

590
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: on him and he'd be like what.

591
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: Look.

592
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because he's really cool, he stole some rich

593
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: assholes super expensive fancy sports car then and he was

594
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: like they were like, oh, we need we need cars

595
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: to get to the front, but we need to steal

596
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: them from rich people. So he goes and steals this

597
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: like fancy sports car and then they're like, what are

598
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: you gonna do with a sports car? So he cuts

599
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: the back half of it off and welds it to

600
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: a truck to make a van.

601
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: Amazing, And this is his chad.

602
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: For the rest of the war. This is what he's

603
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: cruising around him on this thing. Yeah.

604
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean, wouldn't we all?

605
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

606
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow. This is what you get when you give

607
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: people a prenticeship at the age of ten and a

608
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: rifle and an address of rich people.

609
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and they act and actually moral cause that

610
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: is worth fighting for.

611
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's constant human Yeah.

612
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: And he also and one of the things that comes

613
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: up around this time too, is that al Kiko is

614
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: not bloodthirsty. He kills a bunch of people in this story, right,

615
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: but right away he's like the enemy is fascism and

616
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: he is opposed to needless violence. He actually during the

617
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: war hid some anti fascist members of the upper class

618
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: from the non anarchist Republicans who are trying to kill

619
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: them for being rich. This is the best I can

620
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: parse out. Yeah, And basically it's like, this is about

621
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: redistributing wealth, not murdering people. And there's something that I've

622
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: always been trying to explain, like what do you do

623
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: with the billionaires, Like, well, we just need them to

624
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: stop being billionaires.

625
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: The method by.

627
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: Which we do that up to that, yeah, we go, yeah,

628
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: they go choices like yeah, there's I was reading about

629
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: a village that collectivized because they when they went the

630
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: anarchist militia columns went to the front, they collectivised the

631
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: villages right on their way and they were like inspecting

632
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: one village or something. And because they rotated, they rotated

633
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: troops out of the front line, right, so they would

634
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: go and work on the harvest and then come back

635
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: to the front line, and then go work on the

636
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: harvest and come back to the front line. So didn't

637
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: have enough rifles for everyone. And they were like where

638
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: is the priest And people like, oh, he just works

639
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: in the fields now with everyone else. And then I

640
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: didn't you kill him? And they were like no, there

641
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: was no need, Like he just stopped being a priest. Yeah,

642
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: they stopped working for the authority that's sucking everything up.

643
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, and and I guess the priest had married

645
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: a local girl. Was like oh, yeah, I've been looking

646
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: for an out.

647
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah totally yeah, hell yeah.

648
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

649
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, not everything went well during the Spanish Civil War.

650
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: As the war went on, communists started trying to kill

651
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: all the anarchists and kept like sending the anarchist units

652
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: to like run into machine gun nests and shit was

653
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: you'll be shocked to know. Didn't help anyone win the war.

654
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: And we've covered that bunch of times on the show.

655
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: We probably will a bunch more times. Yeah, but after

656
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: one unit, one anarchist unit suffered eighty percent casualties, El

657
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Kiko was like, you know what, fuck this guy. So

658
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: he went and he shot the communist officer who sent

659
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: all the anarchists to die. After leaving the asshole to

660
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: die in the snow, Alkiko and three friends fucked off

661
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: to Barcelona and his cool Frankenstein van.

662
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: Very stealthy, which you've murdered your commander to take your

663
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: legs signature vehicle?

664
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and then he goes and he shows up

665
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: to the CNT and he's like, hey, I shot the

666
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: communist guy kept murdering my friends. Can you transfer me

667
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: to a different unit. I don't think that one's gonna

668
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: work out for me. Amazing, But they don't transform to

669
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: another unit. Instead, they say, well, how about you become

670
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: a super cool anarchist spec ops guy who rescues anarchists

671
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: from the Cheka, the Czech are the Russian secret police

672
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: or fucking everything up in Spain, including killing all their

673
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: own people. Yeah, it wasn't a good time to be

674
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: a Soviet. The other Soviets kept murdering you.

675
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did like to murder.

676
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so Elkiko was like, well, you don't end

677
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: up with a name like the guy without being willing

678
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: to say I'm your guy. That's my joke. That only

679
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: kind of holds up because Kiko might have also just

680
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: been short for Francisco. But he did. He became a

681
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: cool anarchist spec ops guy, along with another anarchist whose

682
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: name was Elebsinio, which more or less means the Ethiopian. Yeah,

683
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and he had that name because he had quote Afro

684
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: type hair. I don't know whether that means he was

685
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: a black Spanish anarchist or more likely a white guy

686
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: with really curly hair and an unfortunate nickname.

687
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad, That's that's how fortunated.

688
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know a lot of people were trying.

689
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: To get to Ethiopia, like a lot of the black

690
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: volunteers who fought, certainly their black Americans, like there was

691
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: a one of them had it. He wrote something called

692
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: this isn't Ethiopia, but they'll do. They were like, well,

693
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: they specifically wanted to kill Italian fascists, right, which they

694
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: even got the chance to do. But yeah, yeah, a

695
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: lot of the black folks who fought it was like

696
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: a kind of a rollback strategy, same as the Italians

697
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: and Germans, right, like, well we'll beat them here and

698
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: then we'll beat them in Italy and yeah, Ethiopia and

699
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: Germany and everywhere else, now that this makes sense, Yeah,

700
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: Sadly it didn't didn't work out.

701
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: No, for a lot of reasons, most of which I

702
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: think can be pointed at the Western world enforcing a

703
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: blockade only on the Republican side and like not in

704
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: a blockade like keep the Germans out from anyway whatever.

705
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: And again I don't think get helped with the checker

706
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: went around murdering everyone on their own side.

707
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, killing like way more anarchists than you did. Fascist.

708
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: There was a fascist fuck what was his name? He

709
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: was part of a French fascist group that was funded

710
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: by the looreal like like because you're worth it, loreal right,

711
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: like shit, yeah, yeah, fascism, because you're worth it, And

712
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: like he was actively sabotaging. I forget what his name was.

713
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: He was in a headquarters company of one of the

714
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: international units and was actively sabotaging all their weapons. And

715
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: like they were so busy looking for fucking anarchists that

716
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: this guy just got to take a free run. Cool.

717
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: People died because of it. Great, cool, Thank you Soviet communists.

718
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: So fortunately the kid and el Absinio rescue and go

719
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: and rescue an anarchists from check a hands And that's

720
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: like his first new thing. Now that he does this,

721
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: he has a new job. And then after some nonsense

722
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: in May nineteen thirty seven where the Soviets tried to

723
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: take the anarchist positions in Barcelona by force, Elki did

724
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: some fast and furious shit and freed four anarchist prisoners

725
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: while they were being transferred. Oh cool, Yeah, there's so

726
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: much fast and furious shit in this.

727
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought you were going with air bomber or

728
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: fast and furious shit. You know where you accidentally transfer

729
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: thousands of machine guns to hotels in.

730
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Mexico, No, no, just the I don't remember which one

731
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: it is, where they you know, stop a prisoner transport

732
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: bus and then free their guy or whatever. So anarchist

733
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: becops are doing their thing. A local fascist Alkiko's home

734
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: village was trying to reinstate capitalism within the anarchist held areas.

735
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: He just like was like, hey, I'm a fascis. It's

736
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: like the area is under anarchist control. And he's like, hey,

737
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm like a fascist and a capitalist. I've got all

738
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: this stuff and you need it, so I'm gonna sell

739
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: it really expensive. And everyone kept being like, my guy,

740
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna go well, you like really shouldn't do this,

741
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: and he was like, nah, whatever. So then Alqico shows

742
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: up lets himself in the guy's house and suddenly the

743
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: guy isn't around anymore. The Soviets keep doing their thing.

744
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: They're fucking everything up, and soon al Kiko is in

745
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: prison in the hands of the quote new quote unquote

746
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: revolutionary police. And the reason that he's in prison is

747
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: he helped a man forge papers to get out of

748
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: conscription into the Soviet run army. Okay, Yeah, and one

749
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: of Alkiko's friends was actually murdered by the Republican police

750
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: over this. Alkiko only survived because the CNT was able

751
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: to get him transferred out of the hands of the cheka.

752
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: But they couldn't free him. They couldn't ge him out

753
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: of prison entirely. So he just accepted his fate and

754
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: resigned himself to prison, where he still is today. No,

755
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: he he's set about to free himself because tunnels are back.

756
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: It's been too long since we've had a tunnel.

757
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Love a tunnel.

758
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so long. I know, I know, we

759
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: came out strong, yeah, but this one, Okay, the story,

760
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: this part of the story is a happy ending, but

761
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: the tunnel doesn't. He spends weeks digging a tunnel under

762
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: his cell, and when he finally breaks free into daylight,

763
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: after like so many like wrong turns and like all

764
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: this wild shit, he's like, all right, I'm gonna go

765
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: back to my cell and wait until nighttime and then

766
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to sneak out during nighttime. But they nabbed him.

767
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: They figured it out before he went back out again,

768
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: and so he went. He got taken to a maximum security. So, however,

769
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: he was getting a ton of movement support because the

770
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: anarchists with the largest chunk of the Spanish working class,

771
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: and he was already kind of a hero. They just

772
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: don't have as much systemic power as the communists, so

773
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: he bribes the guards to let him have conjugal visits

774
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: with Leonor. His wife smuggles him a hand grenade and

775
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: a sorry, a grenade and a handgun. A hand grenade

776
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: and a gun. Whatever hand can be in either of

777
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: those doesn't matter.

778
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

779
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Now that he has those things, he sets about to

780
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: escaping to whether anarchists come with him. Some of the

781
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: other prisoners chose not to come, and so they made

782
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: sure in order to keep the other prisoner from getting implicated.

783
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: They were like, all right, we're gonna lock you up,

784
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: but just so that people don't think you were with us,

785
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: And so they like lock up the other prisoners. They

786
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: make their way to the warden's office. They're just like

787
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: disarming and threatening everyone on their way, you know, and

788
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: tying everyone up, not hurting anyone. Actually, they do this

789
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: whole thing with hurting anyone. It's kind of impressive. They

790
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: point a gun at the warden and say sign papers

791
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: to say that we can go free, and the Warden's like, ah, yeah,

792
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I could do that.

793
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: You know, to the other ocean.

794
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so they escaped. His two commids, his two companions.

795
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: They get sent back to the front or they go

796
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: back to the front and they fight fascists for a while,

797
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: but then they leave, so then the communists execute them.

798
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: Sabote and his brother in law tried to walk forty

799
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: miles to safety, but some guards were like, who the

800
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: fuck are you? Show me your papers, and Sabote is like,

801
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: if I show them my papers, I'm going to die

802
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: that they just killed my friends. So he's like, oh, yeah, totally,

803
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: let me get my papers out of my coat. But

804
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: instead of his papers, he pulled out a gun, and

805
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: instead of giving them his papers, he killed all four

806
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: of them. So you do it.

807
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a universal passport, right, Yeah, totally.

808
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: But they were waiting for him in Barcelona, the cops

809
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: were so a chase scene happens. This guy's fucking life.

810
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: The cops spot him at the station, so he takes

811
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: off running across and through trains like amazing, yeah, no,

812
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: like this yeah, And then in order to get out there,

813
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: they're bringing a cordon around the area around the station,

814
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: so he hijacks a horse drawn carriage because petrol is

815
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: getting around. Yeah, yeah, amazing, and he like basically sticks

816
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: a gun in the guy's side. It's like, hey, could

817
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: you drive me through the police court and the guy's like, yeah, okay,

818
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: And this actually happens a lot in this guy's life

819
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: where he ends up in these very civil conversations with

820
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: people that he's robbing or like, because they actually kind

821
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: of most of them like him.

822
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's waste on trying to hurt

823
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: them or take anything from them necessary, right, like, at

824
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: least in this case.

825
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in some ways it's like the gun is

826
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: almost like plausible deniability. It's like, well, you weren't in

827
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: on it. I had a gun on you.

828
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, he's a win win feet Yeah, and

829
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: that's going to come up more later, So I'm not

830
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: just pulling that out of nowhere. But did he leave

831
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: the war just because large chunks of his own side

832
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: were trying to kill him?

833
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Of course not. There were fascists to fight and a

834
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: revolution to defend, so he signed up with the Drudi Column,

835
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: an anarchist unit. He won the Medal for valor, and

836
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: a desperate struggle to hold back the fascists all the while.

837
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: At this point the high command of the Republican Army

838
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: they already fled into France, and Sabote's unit was the

839
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: last to leave Barcelona as the fascist rolled through the country.

840
00:41:52,000 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: Just like these low, low prices will roll through your

841
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: head or you press forward fifteen seconds approximately six times.

842
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: It's your choice.

843
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: None, yeah, and we're back okay. Meanwhile, his older brother Jose,

844
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: he's been leading anarchist battalion at this point, but when

845
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: the war is over, he's captured by the fascists and

846
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: he spends a while in prison, but he does survive

847
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: the war. And then Franco came through and was like, well,

848
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm a fascist and I've just taken over the country,

849
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be really nice to everyone when the

850
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: hearts and minds. Yeah, yeah, buying killing everyone. He just

851
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: killed a fuck ton of people. This is the guy

852
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: who at the beginning he has like a quote that

853
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't have directly in front of me, but he

854
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: has a quote that's something like, I am willing to

855
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: murder half of Spain to rule the other half. Yeah.

856
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was pretty consistent on that. That wasn't

857
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: a one off kind of vibe for him. Yeah, it

858
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: was more or less his defining principal italy. He's only

859
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: moral stunes.

860
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So hundreds of thousands of people were put

861
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: to death, mostly legally, of course, because you know law man.

862
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that made it okay. It's just the

863
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: important thing about laws is that it's fine. I've just

864
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: spent a week on the border watching like the little

865
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: children being concentrated in in in what one might call

866
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: camps in the desert, and that was legal, So it's okay.

867
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: It's just the opposite of dispersed camping.

868
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. It's easier to clean

869
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: up afterwards.

870
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: Hip hop, I can't. Okay, that's the end of my

871
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: sad jokes about that. It's fucking awful. Yeah, it's fucking horrific.

872
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah what it boorders are bad. Yeah, speaking of concentration camps,

873
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: Sabata and his family fleet of France where the fate

874
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: of the anti fascists awaited them, which is their friends

875
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: put them on concentration camps.

876
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: Now love that for France.

877
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: This didn't have the same meaning yet the word concentration camp.

878
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: It's not nice fun times, but it's not.

879
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: Whatever.

880
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a death camp like it's it's it's

881
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: distinct from that. It's just an extremely shitty situation which

882
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: you can't leat out of him.

883
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're al Kiko, in which case you can escape.

884
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: He did fair enough, but he escaped and he like

885
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: spent a while like wandering the Pyrenees mountains, and then

886
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: he was like, man, fuck this, and he went back

887
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: to the concentration camp. And no specific reason is given

888
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: for this, But then by doing more research about it, One,

889
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't know because the biographer didn't bother to tell

890
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: me what Leoner is doing at the time, right, so

891
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: maybe his wife is still there or maybe she came

892
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: with him, I'm not sure. And two, all of the

893
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: anarchists are all in one place, so they're organizing, and

894
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: he's like probably He's like, all right, well I should

895
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: go be where the anarchists are organized. Yeah, and he

896
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: heads on back. And then I remember, you knew about

897
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: this like little known sequel to the Spanish Civil War,

898
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: Spanish Civil War two electric boogloo. Yeah only it was,

899
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: but you know, like each time they have to make

900
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: it bigger. So this was called World War two.

901
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, fascinating, Well went down in that one.

902
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff that I feel weird making jokes about.

903
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The famously anti fascist segregated the

904
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: United State Toommy came to Save the Day.

905
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I Love No No. We talked about this in the

906
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: Josephine Baker episode that she like refused to play. She

907
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: was a black woman from the US who became a

908
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: French spy and did all this amazing shit, and at

909
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: some point she was like playing for the troops. She

910
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: was one of the most famous women in the world,

911
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: and she was like, I won't play for the US

912
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: troops while they're segregated. They better desegregate at least for

913
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: my fucking show.

914
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is like Paul Robeson refuse to do a

915
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: concert when he heard out that they the purges were

916
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: happening in the middle of the Spanish Civil War, right,

917
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: and they one of the old Bolshevik trials of the

918
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: sort of old bolsh Fixes happening, and he heard about

919
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: it and he was like, this, this fucked up. I

920
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: can't go sink. Yeah, I got whited. They're doing basically

921
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: that's cool. Yeah, cool guy.

922
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: So maybe you know this part better than I do.

923
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: I've run across two sources that say conflicting things, and

924
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: it is a big difference. The concentration camps were opened

925
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: up and the surviving Republicans from Spain were conscripted into

926
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: mostly labor and some to go be cannon fodder. I

927
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: don't know whether this was the French government before the

928
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Vicci government, or whether it was the Nazi controlled French government.

929
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: So the I guess to use like a militaristic term.

930
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: Military aged men were required to conscript in the free

931
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: French shand.

932
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Okay, I've run across both and

933
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: it confused me.

934
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wrote a long thing about this kind

935
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: of they called their like so that they're not in

936
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: the French over. France has a different relationship to journalism

937
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: than other European powers, so like, there's a very famous

938
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: unit called Lan Nueve write the people who liberated Paris,

939
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: who were mostly Spanish anarchists. They wanted to call their

940
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: half tracked vehicles de ruti and us casso, but they

941
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to that called.

942
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Okay sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

943
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: Relatively notable anarchists and they had to call them like

944
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: don Quixote instead, but they named other ones after battles

945
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: in Spain. Yeah, but yeah, they end up in the

946
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: the Army of Chad, the Army of Chad Zura as well,

947
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: but Chad like the country as well as as well

948
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: as the name. So they were the marching regiments of Chad.

949
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the so Sabat and the other anarchists,

950
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: they're basically being told like, yeah, go fight at the

951
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: front or a lot of them were conscripted to do

952
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: labor and build factories and ship and so Sabate wound

953
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: up building helping build a gunpowder factory, which turns out

954
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: useful later. Yeah, it's just great, yeah, serendipity. Yeah, France

955
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: didn't last too long in World War Two, so soon

956
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: he's in hiding and having a kid. His daughter Poquita

957
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: is born in nineteen forty one, the only one of

958
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: his children that at least the biographer I read was

959
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: able to provide me the information about, and he joins

960
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: the French resistance with the Spanish marquy. Yep, who are

961
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: the Spanish monkey, you might ask? Well, you wouldn't ask you.

962
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: Probably no books worth of information about them that I

963
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: will probably try and convince you to tell me at

964
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: some point soon. But to tell the audience real quick, yeah,

965
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked. Maquis is the Corsican course goes

966
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: a small island of the Mediterranean that France pretends is French.

967
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: And the Corskin word for the shrubby woods on Mediterranean

968
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: is my key basically, And so it's like saying the bush.

969
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: So the fighters are retreating into the bush and kind

970
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: of in the same way that the Irish were, like

971
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: the Bog soldiers or whatever. And that's where that ship.

972
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: The name of your right wing people in the UK,

973
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: yours if you live in the UK.

974
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Tories conceived, Yeah right, conservative?

975
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: Isn't the tour I'm going to get this completely embarrassingly wrong.

976
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Isn't that the word that comes from the Irish Bog fighters?

977
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes I believe it does come from. Yeah,

978
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: it's a reference to Yeah, something from island. I can't remember.

979
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: I believe it's the the the Irish radicals who were

980
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: fighting against Cromwell when giside Ireland. Anyway, Yeah, I just

981
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: forgot the way. So the Spanish Monkey are the Spanish

982
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: ones of these gorilla fighters. That's the name, the Spanish Monkey.

983
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: And these are the name that the Spanish gorillas who

984
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: keep up the fight against fascism, including most direct in

985
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: France during the Nazi occupation, but also the Spanish occupation,

986
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: which no longer is being called an occupation, even though

987
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: it's still literally someone invaded and took over Spain and

988
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: declared it fascist. They might be more familiar to the

989
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: modern audience as the guerrilla fighters in Pans Labyrinth, since

990
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: that movie is set in nineteen forty four, and I

991
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: think the McKee in Pans Labyrinth were anarchists, But it

992
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: is worth noting that the McKee were of all sorts

993
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: of different politics. Communists and monarchists were involved in some

994
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: of this stuff. In Madrid apparently as mostly communists, and

995
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: Barcelona's mostly anarchists, at least according to one particular source,

996
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: Every source about all of this stuff is really biased

997
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: either communist or anarchist, and wants to completely write the

998
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: other one out of history.

999
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great.

1000
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: The source that I read was more biased in the

1001
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: communist direction about this particular part of the Maquis before

1002
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: the Spanish Maquie got back into Spain. While they're in France,

1003
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: they functioned up against the Nazis. Ten thousand of them fought,

1004
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: and that's not the focus of this particular episode. But

1005
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: to quote a nineteen forty five book, The Undefeated, by

1006
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: Martha Gellhorn. During the German occupation of France, the Spanish

1007
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: Maquie engineered more than four hundred railway sabotages, destroyed fifty

1008
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: eight locomotives, dynamated thirty five railway bridges, cut one hundred

1009
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: and fifty telephone lines, attacked twenty factories, destroying some factories totally,

1010
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: and sabotaged fifteen coal mines. They took several thousand German prisoners,

1011
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: and most miraculous considering their arms, they captured three tanks

1012
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: in the southwest part. Yeah right, fuck can they do

1013
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: it with them?

1014
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: Afterwards?

1015
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: In the southwest part of France, where no Allied armies

1016
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: have ever fought, they liberated more than seventeen towns, so

1017
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: they're fucking cool. And then we actually don't really know

1018
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: what al Qiko was up to personally during all this period,

1019
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: besides the fact that he was fighting the Nazis. And

1020
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: we also know that the gunpowder factory that he built

1021
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: in December nineteen forty two suddenly blew up.

1022
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah some dots, it will never be joined.

1023
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: And someone who was caught for it had a photo

1024
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: in his pocket of a group that included him, And

1025
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: this is yeah, this comes up a bunch that they

1026
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: keep catching people with like photos of their friends in

1027
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: their pockets, and I like, don't get me wrong, I

1028
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: like that I can look pictures of my friends by

1029
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: pulling something out of my pocket that is my phone.

1030
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: But I'm also not in the middle of a gorilla war.

1031
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah upstake fail yeah in that, but wow.

1032
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, El Chico has set himself up as a plumber

1033
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: and a small town with his wife and daughter and

1034
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: immediately starts guiding French refugees across the border into Spain.

1035
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: Like this is befo. He's going to do the opposite

1036
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. Yeah, yeah, and all the

1037
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: while are straight at Chiro does not drink or smoke.

1038
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: There's a long history, a kind of weird history of

1039
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: anarchists being either sober or vegetarian or both.

1040
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1041
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no evidence about him being vegetarian, but

1042
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: he was sober.

1043
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: He's Yeah. They were definitely they were like they were.

1044
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: They were like anarchists at atheneums as the English were,

1045
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: where like they weld. They were very committed to ongoing education,

1046
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: and part of that was health education. The anarchists were

1047
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: really early on in like healthy diet and exercises a

1048
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: way to combat like the ills of modernity and factory labor.

1049
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, makes sense.

1050
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: They were not wrong, they were Yeah, they were very right.

1051
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: They like they would get people down from Switzerland to

1052
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: talk about like Swiss gymnastics and shit, it's wild.

1053
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's cool.

1054
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, you can still find good anarchist vegan food

1055
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: in Barcelona.

1056
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. So after the war, the Spanish anarchists in

1057
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: France had a big meeting. They managed to sort of

1058
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: get over a lot of their differences because joining the

1059
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: Republican government had been really divisive among the anarchists. But

1060
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: they had a meeting and they were like, all right,

1061
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: we should probably just get together, stop fighting and go

1062
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: fuck up Franco, shouldn't we And they were like, yeah,

1063
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: that's what we should do. But they wanted to send

1064
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: some some delegates down into Spain to talk with all

1065
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: of the anarchists who were still hold up in the

1066
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: mountains and stuff, because a lot of anarchists never left

1067
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: right nineteen thirty nine, a lot of anarchists just took

1068
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: to the mountains and fucking lived there. And that's kind

1069
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: of our pants Labyrinth care heroes. They needed some super

1070
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: cool elite spec OP anarchists to guide some delegates into France.

1071
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: Why not turn to El Qico and L Ebsinio, as

1072
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: well as L Rosette, which literally means the rosette, It's

1073
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: just spelled different. They all had cool names. Giving yourself

1074
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: a cool name with your friends is cool and good.

1075
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: So al Qiko and his friends just went right back

1076
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: to doing what they do. They meet up with the

1077
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: anarchists in Barcelona, they learn which fascists have killed which anarchists.

1078
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: They set about raising the money to fight back. And

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00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: can you guess how they said about raising the money

1080
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: to fight start a grill warriors the fascist.

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Speaker 2: Did they go fund me?

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00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a combination of like gofundmes and

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00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: then like a couple like benefit shows, they did a yeah,

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00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: and then they rob rich people. Most of it actually

1085
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: came from the robbery. Yeah, oh interesting, not the punk

1086
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: cake with a vegan meal before, No, weirdly yeah huh.

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00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah nice strength.

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00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. One time they robbed the guy in his house

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00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: and they left him a note. We are not robbers,

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00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: we are libertarian resistance fighters. What we have just taken

1091
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: will help in a small way to feed the orphaned

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00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: and starving children of those anti fascists that you and

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00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: your kind have shot. We are people who have never

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00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: and will never beg for what is ours. So long

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00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: as we have the strength to do to do so,

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00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: we will fight for the freedom of the Spanish working class.

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Speaker 1: As for you, Gariga, that's the guy's name. Although you

1098
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: are a murderer and a thief, we have spared you

1099
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: because we, as libertarians appreciate the value of human life,

1100
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: something in which you have never nor likely to understand.

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00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: That's phenomenal. We were talking about cringe email signature quotes before,

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00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: but if you could just put that one in the

1103
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 2: email signature total, that would let people know you weren't

1104
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: fucking around.

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00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. We are people who have never and will never

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00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: beg for what it's ours. So long as we have

1107
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: the strength to do so, we will fight for the

1108
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: freedom of the Spanish working class.

1109
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Phenomenally based.

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00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so, if you're curious, how do you become

1111
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: a folk hero? The fastest way if you're trying to

1112
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: like speed run folk hero robin hood, this is how you.

1113
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: People fucking loved these people, now, not the fascist. The

1114
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: fascist didn't like them very much. But regular people. He

1115
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't hide his identity. He was robbing people in his

1116
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: hometown where everyone knew him. He mostly rolled up and

1117
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: said soy el Gico, I am elk Eco and people

1118
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: would be like, oh shit, I give up. Yeah, yeah,

1119
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: I know how to say. Which is a really good

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00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: reason to have a reputation for not hurting the people

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00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: you rob, because if you have a reputation for not

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: hurting the people you rob, then there's no reason to

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00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: fight back.

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00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: Right, You're just gonna give them some stuff and then

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00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna leave.

1126
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: And he's also very clearly capable of killing people, so

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 2: you don't you don't want to create they create any

1129
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: stress for him.

1130
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeh, exactly. And this is the story of one guy.

1131
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: He's absolutely one of many. He's not robin Hood, he's

1132
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: one of He's one of the merry men with no

1133
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: robin Hood to speak of. Apparently his friends don't clap

1134
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: when he gives speeches. They are all robin Hoods. For

1135
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: the sake of brevity and narrative, I'm leaving out an

1136
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: endless string of heroic people who fought Franco. But this man,

1137
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: he's just getting started. Like literally, this is the preamble

1138
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: to the stuff he's famous for. We have not gotten

1139
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: to what he is famous for yet. He is not

1140
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: famous for, let's see, escaping prison twice, killing four cops

1141
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: who tried to arrest him, fighting against the Nazis for years,

1142
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: fixing people's toilets, stopping a fascist coup maybe twice, fighting

1143
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: on the last unit of Flee Barcelona. No, he's famous

1144
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: for what comes next, which we'll talk about on Wednesday.

1145
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: That's my best cliffhanger I think I've ever done.

1146
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: That was banging. Absolutely.

1147
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: I know you aren't going to clap, but you know,

1148
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: just I don't want to be guilty of legalists leaderism.

1149
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we show our support by being.

1150
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And if people want to show support

1151
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: for you, James and what you do or whatever you

1152
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: want to plug.

1153
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can participate in mutual eight. That would be

1154
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: very nice. That would make me happy. They can be

1155
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: nice to animals, that will make me happy. And if

1156
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: when they've done those things, then they're allowed to follow

1157
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: me on Twitter dot com. But if you have to

1158
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: submit like a couple of photos, yeah, yeah, get like

1159
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: get a selfie where you're like like, you know, battery chickens, right,

1160
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: they don't want to be there. Take a selfie if

1161
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: you've let them run free, and you can follow me.

1162
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: It's at James Stout. Don't do crimes now, I'm only

1163
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: legal crimes mm hmm yeah, or like in times of

1164
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: war then you know all bets. Yeah yeah yeah, until then,

1165
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: keep it legal. Yeah. Be nice to animals. Yeah, Feed

1166
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: a bird. Feed a fucking bird that's just flying around.

1167
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: Just give it some feed and then then you can

1168
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: follow me.

1169
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, m And the thing I want to plug

1170
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: is that if you like mutual aid and revolution, but

1171
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: you kind of sometimes prefer to just sit around with

1172
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: your friends and imagine it at a table rolling dice

1173
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: that I'm working on a role playing game called The

1174
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: Number City that as of right now, maybe not when

1175
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: you're listening to it, but when it's being released, is

1176
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: being kickstarted and it's called the Number City. And if

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00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: you google a Number City kickstarter you'll find it. And

1178
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: it's about gangs and the occult and fighting the Immortal

1179
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: God King and there's no money in it and it's amazing.

1180
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: I will believe that's fun. Yeah, I am writing a book.

1181
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: I should have mentioned. I should know if you like

1182
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: anarchist killing people, then I am writing a book about

1183
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: anarchists at war with ak Press, and it will be

1184
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: out when I finished writing it, and then they finished

1185
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: see it, and when I have been to some different

1186
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: places where anarchists are currently engaged in conflict against fascism

1187
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: in the state.

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01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,600
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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,040
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