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Speaker 1: This is Draft season. Welcome back everybody, John Schmelt, Tony Pauline,

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Speaker 1: Eric Crocker with you. The Draft Season podcast is presented

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Speaker 1: an official partner of the New York Football Giants. Episode three.

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Speaker 1: If you go back in the archive, folks, our last episode,

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Speaker 1: we went through the top fives and all of our

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Speaker 1: offensive position groups. Today, we're gonna go through our top

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Speaker 1: fives in our defensive position groups heading into the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. So it's gonna be interior defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: edge players, off ball linebackers, cornerbacks, and safeties. Gentlemen, Let's

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Speaker 1: get right to it, Tony, Let's start with you a

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Speaker 1: very deep edge class, and we'll talk about that too,

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Speaker 1: in addition to the top five, but let's go through it.

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Speaker 1: Who are your top fives? And in that conversation, how

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Speaker 1: many of those guys do you think could go in

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Speaker 1: the top ten or even top five in this draft?

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Speaker 1: Yeah's terrific class of pass rushers and some guys Inniverstil

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Speaker 1: I still have Cavon Thibodel as my number one edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: He may not be the first player drafted, but I

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Speaker 1: think two or three years down the road, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the best player from this draft. If he gets

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Speaker 1: it all together and he prioritizes football, then Aiden Hutchinson

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Speaker 1: really probably the safer or the safest prospect in this

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Speaker 1: year's draft. David Is Jabu of Michigan, who is a

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Speaker 1: terrific edge rusher as well as an outstanding athlete who

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Speaker 1: can plain space and drop off the lone of scrimmage

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Speaker 1: when you need him. George Carl laftis the former water

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Speaker 1: polo player from Perdue who's got a tremendous amount of upside.

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Speaker 1: A guy who impacts the game, but the guy who's

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Speaker 1: gotta get a little bit stronger. Trayvon Walker the defensive end,

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Speaker 1: another Georgia player. Will took a lot of Georgia players

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Speaker 1: on my board today. A guy who plays defensive end

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Speaker 1: is a forceful pass rusher, but he can also play

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Speaker 1: off the line in space. I think all of those

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Speaker 1: guys our first round picks. All those guys will probably

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Speaker 1: be top twenty two picks, with with themodel Hutchinson as

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Speaker 1: well as a Jabu, maybe Karl Latis being top ten picks.

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Speaker 1: gonna dive into some of those guys. Tony was an

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Speaker 1: old edge players, a premium position. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: deeper ones in the draft class. Before we do CROC,

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Speaker 1: what's your top five at the edge spot? I'm starting

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Speaker 1: off with kvon Thibodeau as well. And I liked how

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Speaker 1: Tony said as long as he's all in on football

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Speaker 1: because he came out with some questionable comments on national

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Speaker 1: television that we're a little interesting, but not gonna hold

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Speaker 1: that all the way against him. Definitely a terrific edge prospect,

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Speaker 1: a guy that's extremely explosive off the edge. Uh maybe

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Speaker 1: not the overall uh oh well, round it football player

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Speaker 1: that Aiden Hutchinson is, who's my second as guy? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think when you when you kind of compare the

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Speaker 1: you know, just all well rounded, really good traits. And

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Speaker 1: I think we see the same thing from Ada Hutchinson.

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Speaker 1: didn't know if this was David A Jobo's best game,

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Speaker 1: the top of your Tony, but he's both you and

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Speaker 1: Eric had the same type of things to say about

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Speaker 1: Kevon Thibodeaux. You listen to some of the other guys

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Speaker 1: like Daniel Jeremiah if you listen to his podcast Moved

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Speaker 1: the Sticks, which is a great one he talks about.

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Speaker 1: He's talked to, you know, teams around the league, and

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Speaker 1: Why do you think some teams might be a little

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Speaker 1: It's just, you know, do you want the safe pick

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Speaker 1: bit outrageous. Uh. You know, a good thing for Cavon

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Speaker 1: quick comment. Interviews for him, I imagine are gonna be

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Speaker 1: watched all of his pressures, all of his sacks, all

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Speaker 1: Can you be? Guys, and Eric will start with you.

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Speaker 1: off camera, John, I mean they didn't they didn't have

427
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Speaker 1: to have the guys just rush up the field and

428
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 1: every guy and get after the quarterback every single down.

429
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: You say, a guy like for Darren and Mathis of Alabama,

430
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 1: who my mind is a prototypical, you know, two gap

431
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 1: nose tackle. He's not really a playmaker. He's more of

432
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 1: a space eater. I think Jordan Davis, once they let

433
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: him loose and once he gets proper coaching and also

434
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 1: gets in shape, I think he's gonna be a beast

435
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 1: at the next level. Interesting that in shape part is

436
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 1: gonna be important because you know, watching them against Alabama

437
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 1: in the first meeting, you know there's some place where

438
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 1: you just see him standing there at the line of scrimmage.

439
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you can't run after the playing.

440
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 1: You know, he has to get that endurance so you

441
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 1: can keep that motor going. Absolutely. Who's your sleeper Tony

442
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: at dtait guy no one talks about from Memphis, John

443
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 1: take who had a terrific year. Not the biggest guy

444
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: in the world, but very quick. If you watch the

445
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 1: Memphis film, you can't help but not notice this guy

446
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: number seven in the middle of the field getting double teams.

447
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: He's got excellent length, terrific first step, fundamentally sound plays

448
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 1: with good head level. He's not a guy that's gonna

449
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 1: be drafted. Wasn't invited to the combine, but he's someone

450
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 1: who will be signed as an undrafted free agent, could

451
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: make some noise in camp this summer. All right, now,

452
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 1: let's jump over the week side linebacker or off ball linebacker.

453
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,959
Speaker 1: These can be mic linebackers as well, anyone that's not

454
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna play on the line of scrimmage. Guys that can

455
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: run in space. Uh, Tony will start with you here.

456
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: I know most people have you know, two of these

457
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: guys at the top of the board, you do as well,

458
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: and then Devin Lloyd and n Kobe dan As you

459
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: go through your top five, what in your mind kind

460
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 1: of separates those two and how high should fans be

461
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: looking for them to go off the board on draft day?

462
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: I think, Lord, I think it's size. Really. I mean,

463
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: let's keep an eye on how big Nakobe Dean is

464
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: come is combined workouts. There are some people out there

465
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 1: tell me he may not even measure five ft eleven

466
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: where you know, the Devin Lloyd's got those great measurable

467
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: six three trot pounds and he's incredibly athletics. So I

468
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: think the size, the fact that Devin Lloyd's got those

469
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: great measurables when Nakobe Dean is, you know, a little

470
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: bit smaller. You may have some limitations with him because

471
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Speaker 1: of that lack of size. That is the big separating

472
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Speaker 1: factor as far as I'm concerned. I also think that

473
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Speaker 1: Nakobe Jean's job was a little bit easier at Georgia

474
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Speaker 1: with all the talent around him, not just the talent

475
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: in front of him, but the town on side of

476
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: him and the guys playing behind him who were outstanding,

477
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: made his job a little bit easier, not to take

478
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Speaker 1: away from his game, whereas a Devin Lloyd who was

479
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: basically him and everybody else at Utah. And then who's

480
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: the rest of your top five tones another Georgia kid,

481
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: Channing Tisdale, who I feel played great in that championship game,

482
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: but he had a real good season. Christian Harris of Alabama,

483
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: who coming into the season I would have rated a

484
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: lot higher, although up until the playoffs he was kind

485
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: of up and down, very inconsistent, but a great three

486
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: down linebacker at the top of his game. And then

487
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: Brian assen Wa another undersized running chase pursuit linebacker, your

488
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: traditional week side linebacker and a four three an inside

489
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: guy in a three or four that you just let

490
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Speaker 1: him run to the ball in pursuit. I thought he

491
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: did a nice job at the senior two ball to

492
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Speaker 1: from Oklahoma through a nice little week there. How about you, Croc. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: I think our our our list are a little different, alright.

494
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: So I having then Kobe Dean first, Devin Lloyd, Chap

495
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: Muma Quay Walker, and Christian Harris. I have him on

496
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: there as will uh No, Kobe Dean, and I like

497
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: how Tony talked about his black of height and not

498
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: just a height man. It's to wait too. I'm pretty

499
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: sure people are gonna be curious see what he was

500
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Speaker 1: in there. I mean he's listened like two ounds. That's

501
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: Dane there, you know, strong safety right without the hype right. So,

502
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: but one thing that was, uh, I really kind of

503
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: prioritize with both NICOLEA. Dean and Devin Lloyd and why

504
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: they're ahead of a guy like chat moving for me,

505
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: I think they're better in coverage, better in space. And

506
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: when you watch Devin Lloyd, I mean, excuse me, Nikobe

507
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: Deane and I know his job was a little easier.

508
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: Talked about uh their front and having two defensive tackles there.

509
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: Um in my top five. You also have two linebackers

510
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: in there, so definitely a lot more talent around him.

511
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: But his ability to just run sidelines and sideline and

512
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: chase guys down in that pursuit and then be able

513
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: to kind of drop down and flip his hips and

514
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: coverage and be able to do some things there. You know,

515
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: you look at how they utilize him as as a

516
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: past pass rusher as will on some secks. I mean

517
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: he had six sacks in two thousand twenty one, so

518
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: just a tremendous blitzer as well, you know, to speed

519
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: the football i Q. I think those is gonna jump

520
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: off and that's why I still have him up there.

521
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully he can weigh in around two pounds, you'll feel

522
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: the be more comfortable with him and having to take

523
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: on some blockers right now. Just that freaking's athleticism in space.

524
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: I think that's where I give him down to the

525
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: edge there. Uh. I had chat Momo on here, and

526
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: I know Tony didn't have him, but I mean, just tremendous,

527
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: tremendous tackler, all right. That was the one thing that

528
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: I put out there really good. He led the nation

529
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: and tackles. That's something that's gonna be really good. Um,

530
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: doesn't give up a whole lot of leak yardage. I

531
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: got that term from listening to Robert Sale talk about

532
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: when guys go in and make tackles and then they

533
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: kind of get ran over a little bit and the

534
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: guy picked up another two three yards weren't really quite seeing.

535
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: Now a whole lot of chat movement. He has a size.

536
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: I think that Tony would cover it so um and

537
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: that was one thing that jumped out really good. Uh

538
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: at shedding blockers at the next level, that was good.

539
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: But Uh, the big question mark I have with him

540
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: is coverage. And you know I talked about the top

541
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: two guys, how good they are in space chasing guys down.

542
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, chat movement is not quite the athlete as

543
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: those guys. And also in coverage can he cover because

544
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: if not, that's gonna be an issue. But he's so heady,

545
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: really like his instincts, his play recognition. If he can

546
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of take that over into this, uh, covers part

547
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: of his game. I think we're talking about a tremendous linebacker, Tony.

548
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: Who's your sleeper? Levi Jones, North Carolina State, a guy

549
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: who's flashed ability the past two years six two and

550
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: a half two pounds runs and plays in the low

551
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: four sixes. You can use him at the line up

552
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: the field as a pass rusher, solid against the run,

553
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: backed off in coverage, he can cover a lot of area,

554
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: can cover the tight ends. The problem is he is

555
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: he's yet to pull the pieces together. If he does,

556
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a free agent steel because he's not

557
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: gonna be selected in the draft. Now after that Senior

558
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: Bowl he might not be a sleeper anymore anymore. But

559
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: he did go to Montana State, right, So Troy Anderson,

560
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: who I really like to you know, I had not

561
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: watched him at all until I got to UH Mobile

562
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: for that for the for the Senior Bowl and and Tony,

563
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: I thought he was fantastic. And you can talk about

564
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: Mum's ability to cover. I did not love him in

565
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: space at the Senior Bowl. I loved Anderson the space

566
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. He showed the ability to move

567
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: and cover extremely well that's what he had to do.

568
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if Troy Anderson was great as a potential

569
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: day to pick by a lot of scouts coming into

570
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Now if you watch him on film,

571
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: He's a big, forceful guy at Montana State FCS Division

572
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: one Double A. He goes sidelines to sideline. He's great

573
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: in the box. But there was always that question as

574
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: can he make plays moving in reverse? And that was

575
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: something that he had to answer the Senior Bowl and

576
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: he did it in a good way. I had written

577
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: about a Pro Football network right after the Senior Bowl.

578
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: He was a major winner primarily because he exceeded the

579
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: expectations encourage against the tight ends, against the running backs

580
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: when they do the one on ones. He didn't look stiff.

581
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: He looked almost natural, which is something he didn't do

582
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: a Montana State. You know, krow can you mentioned this

583
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: and I think this will be the last point we

584
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: make on linebackers before we go onto the defensive backs.

585
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, I think linebacker might be right now the

586
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: hardest position in the NFL to play because you have

587
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: to do so many things right, uh. For the teams

588
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: that run the read option, you gotta you know, make

589
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: reads on that. You have to be able to cover

590
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: tight ends or these you know running backs that are

591
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: basically you know, half wide receivers now coming out of

592
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: the backfield. They also want you to take on offensive

593
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: lineman shed them and then make a play in the

594
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: running game in the box. I mean, these are really

595
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: tough things for one guy to be able to do.

596
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: So we're almost at the point here and obviously both

597
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: you guys can answer this where you almost had to

598
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: put these linebackers in the boxes. Where this is you know,

599
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: becoming a specialized position just because we don't have many

600
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: guys out there like uh Michael Parsons who has the

601
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: physical skills to kind of do everything. Where now this

602
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: is kind of you know what packaging in that's gonna

603
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: kind of determine who's on the field. Yeah, you know,

604
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: and it probably just depends on the team, right, you know,

605
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: I get to cover the forty Niners who have a

606
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Frere Warner. He wasn't or

607
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: he's pretty good tack linebacker playing in the box guy

608
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: coming out of B y U. He was dang near

609
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: like a like a star position player, kind of like

610
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: a Nickel type guy that they had to kind of

611
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: uh project and playing them full time middle linebacker position.

612
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: Now he has to the high the size you have

613
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: six four two thirty five pounds, and he has the range, athleticism,

614
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: the cover and said, well, if we can get him

615
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: to be a better tackler and be able to do

616
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: some of those things, we gotta tremendous football player. And

617
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: he's kind of developed into that. I wonder if some

618
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: of these teams will start to prioritize the cover skills

619
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: guys I have size and then just say, hey, we'll

620
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: see if we could teach him how to make frum fits.

621
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's worked with Fred Warner. I'm not

622
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: sure if it's gonna work for everybody else, but uh

623
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: that that coverage forty nine is kind of prioritized with him.

624
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: And I've seen him run vertically with the receivers, the

625
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: the guys in the number three spot. He has to

626
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: run with those guys that have been placed where he's

627
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: had to run up field and flip his hips and

628
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: make a play on the ball in space against guys

629
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: like Hollywood Brown. That's a lot to ask of a linebacker. Yeah,

630
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's why you get you get you have

631
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: the uh well, they're called two down linebackers or two

632
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: down players because when it's third and six or third

633
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: and seven, you gotta take them off the field in coverage.

634
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: That's also why You're starting to see more and more

635
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: teams select collegue safeties and move them up to outside

636
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: linebackers because they have that athletic system, because they have

637
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: the speed. And that's also why Devin Lloyd is my

638
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: number one ratied space linebacker because if you watch him,

639
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: he covers a tremendous amount of area. He's good up

640
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Speaker 1: the field on the rush, he gets great depth on

641
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: his past drops. You can blame and coverage over those

642
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: running backs over the tight ends. Same thing with Christian

643
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Harris of Alabama, who was exceptional on it. It's just

644
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: he was a little inconsistent about it. In two thoe

645
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, Kroc mentioned that you can find

646
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: him in the Lockdown forty Niners podcast, the Lockdown NFL

647
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Draft podcast, and of course Tony you can find him

648
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: over a Pro Football network. And Kroc also the former

649
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: defensive back in corner. So I have to let you

650
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: lead off on the on the corner of my man,

651
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: go ahead, who do you got? Yeah, these are my guys.

652
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised I'm saying this right now, but

653
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: I have Souce Gardner at number one, Derek Stingley at two,

654
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: Andrew boot the three. Roger mccraarry, who I really like,

655
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: but still a questionable with a limited like length concerns

656
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: and things like that. I'm not sure to matter. I'll

657
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: get into that in the entire elam out of Florida.

658
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: But Sauce Gardner and I went back and I watched

659
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley, and one thing that jumped out to me,

660
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: just the on any film that you put on just

661
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: to play that pop and say, wow, that's that's a

662
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: little different. All right. So I'm watching Sauce Gardener against Alabama,

663
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: those in best receivers he'll play against, lined up plenty

664
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: of times against Jamison Williams. And there's this thing called

665
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: pressure key, visual key. Right. So when I was watching

666
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: the National work the playoff game, it was just one

667
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: play where it looked like cover two. He was on

668
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: the outside, got his hands on the guy washing down

669
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: the line. There was a guy that went in motion,

670
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: he flared out to the sideline, he came off number one,

671
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: made the tackle on the guy in the flats, and

672
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, it's covered two. Well, last weekend, I'm

673
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: watching the All twenty two single high safety like, wait,

674
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at everybody else. This is man coverage. So

675
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: he had the awareness to get his hands on the

676
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: guy had him control. Now I compete sees the guy

677
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: going out into the flats, peels off of him and

678
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: makes the tackle flass. That was special to me, just

679
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: to come into awareness that he has. I was a

680
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: little worried with those kind of guys that said at

681
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: six ft three two jean pounds, Hey, what are his

682
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: feet gonna look like? Can he get a little too handsy? Uh?

683
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, what are their hips gonna look like? And

684
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I thought for the most part, he moved extremely well

685
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: for someone of his size. There were times at to

686
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: watch scrimmage where he would get a little too handsy,

687
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: But when he did it right and trusted his feet

688
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: and use his feet, I like to say, pressed with

689
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: your feet. When he pressed with his feet and used

690
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: his feet to get in position to get hands on,

691
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: it looked really good. And I didn't see any issues

692
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: covering guys vertically. Now, is he the best guy in space?

693
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Maybe not. That's an area where he could potentially improve,

694
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: but hey, play him the line scrimmage more. I think

695
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: it reads concepts extremely well to play with versatile defense

696
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: there at Cincinnati, I think it'd be good there. I

697
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: talked about Roger mccraarry. He's my c befour in this class.

698
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: And you know, he was a guy who again watching

699
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: me because Alabama. I like to watch guys against the

700
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: best talent that they played against and how they utilize.

701
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: He maybe was targeted twelve times in that game. I

702
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: mean there was plenty of times in the targeting. I

703
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: thought he held his own at all levels. Playing in

704
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: the in the slot against these guys playing on the outside.

705
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: He ran with slot phase extremely will broke up a

706
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: couple of passes on slot phase one in the end zone,

707
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: one down the left sideline, got to cover guys in space. Well,

708
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: his issue was more so, uh, they played so much

709
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: man sometimes when he got cotton traffic, he was able

710
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: to kind of give up some chunk plays. But aside

711
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: from that thought he was gonna press. He can play

712
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: some off challenge receivers very well. So he's a guy

713
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: who I probably am higher on him then where I

714
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: have him, which is at four. But the guy I

715
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: really like, Tony, Yeah, I got the same five guys

716
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: with a little bit different order. I got Stingley slightly

717
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: ahead of a Gardener. I mean Stingley's phenomenal players a freshman.

718
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: I just can't get that out of my mind. And

719
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: he was, you know, he was a shutdown guy. Now

720
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: he hasn't played bunch football the past few years, and

721
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: there are some questions marks about that. And I can

722
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: see my gardener jumping him. Want to see what happens

723
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: at the combine. But Stingley, you know, I guess Stingley

724
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: out of a roll of dice. Are you getting the

725
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Stingley that we saw as a freshman in two thousand nineteen,

726
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: or you're getting the guy that really hasn't played too

727
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: much football in the past two years, and even in

728
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty didn't play that well. I still

729
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: like what I saw from Mustingly early on, and Tony

730
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: was really quick. Dad on Stingley, I went back and

731
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: I watched that that freshman year tape. His ability to

732
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: turn his hips and change direction and transferred to man

733
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: and trail and all that stuff. It is he doesn't

734
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: lose any speed. It was elite of the elite, and

735
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: get his head back around downfield and tried to pass

736
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: in the ball and position himself against the opponents. With

737
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: jamand Gardner improved on last year, but still has been

738
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: a problem, you know, with the face guarding at times.

739
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: After that, I have Roger McCreary. Yeah, I know, he's

740
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: got short arms, not the biggest guy in the world,

741
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: but man, this guy, his cat gets it between the ears.

742
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: You can just see. He's got great awareness, he's got

743
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: great instincts. He makes plays with his back to the ball,

744
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: which I absolutely love and put a freemium on. He's

745
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: got a great first of all, he's consistently productive, just

746
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: phenomenal ball skills. Andrew Booth right there with McCreary on

747
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: my board, Andrew bru I want to see what his

748
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: true measurements are at the at the combine, see if

749
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: he measures six foot tall and there and then carre

750
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: Elam is my number five guy. I like Elam a lot.

751
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, the fact is that he wasn't targeted

752
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: all that much of Martin because he was so good.

753
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: But he's a guy who I think is gonna go

754
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: second round. But it's realistically first round type talent. And

755
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: by the way, folks, just you guys go at home.

756
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: We do not share these lists before we go. So

757
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: when you say, boy, these lists are really similar, that

758
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: just means with two guys doing completely different types of

759
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: tape study, that they're coming to the same conclusions. You

760
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: should tell you something. Let me ask you guys about

761
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: one guy that didn't appear in either one of your lists,

762
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: and I watched him this morning. I was pretty impressed

763
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: by him. And that's Trent McDuffie out of Washington and

764
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: they've developed a lot of good cornerbacks. He is sticky

765
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: as hell, man like. I think he could end up

766
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: being a really good NFL slot guy. He played a

767
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of his zone there. He did play some man too.

768
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I thought he thought he was fluid enough to really

769
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: mirror and coverage. What did you guys think of mcduffy

770
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: And to see the kind of that next guy up

771
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: for you guys on your list, you know, with some

772
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: of these guys that play so much zone, almost like

773
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: what we saw a few years ago Byron Jones, I

774
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: mean Byron Murphy and I know, same school, but they

775
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: were kind of utilized the same way. It's hard to

776
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: see them in man coverage. I mean, he played so

777
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: much off he wasn't really challenging himself and then the

778
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: receivers that he went against, I didn't think that they

779
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: were really challenging him as much. So I think there's

780
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: just a lot more. Maybe I have to dig a

781
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 1: little bit deeper with Mcdefinitely. I know there are people

782
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: that really like him and think that hey really good

783
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: mindset VERSU little type cornerback. But I just have to

784
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: see a little bit more. I didn't see him challenging

785
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: enough as opposed to these other guys. I have no

786
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: questions about who they are and what I'm seeing and

787
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: what my notes saying on film. Yeah, I mean he

788
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: is my number five cornerback, but he is a bit

789
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: a bit waste away from elm. I mean, you know,

790
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: in my top five, I got three sec corners for

791
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: good reason. I got a Cincinnati corner who their their

792
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: team has played phenomenal the past two years, and a

793
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: guy from Clemton. So I think when you look at

794
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: the pack twelve, you know, the talent may not be

795
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: as good. It maybe a little bit easier for Trump mcduffey.

796
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: He also had a good corner of playing on the

797
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: other side of him. I like McDuffie, I just don't

798
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: like him as much as the other guys. I got

799
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: two more questions on the corners. Your guys. What I

800
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: do like about this class and all the guys you mentioned,

801
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: and again we'll put McDuffie to the side here is

802
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: you're right, he played a ton of zona Washington. You know,

803
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: we've seen all these guys played press, right like Stingley

804
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: played press, Booth played press, um Macre really played press,

805
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: Sauce played press, and a lot of times would also

806
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: played a ton of off coverage as well. You got

807
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: that his feet hits and transitioning in that's tremendous from

808
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: off coverage. So but go ahead, No, absolutely, But I

809
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: think it's important because so many times, with so many

810
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: of these college programs going to so much like quarters

811
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: battle stuff, you don't get to see them play the

812
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: type of defense a lot of the times they're gonna

813
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: be asked to play in the NFL. And I do

814
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: think with this group, we have a pretty good feel

815
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: for what they're going to look like if they are

816
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: asked to play more man croc at the NFL level, right,

817
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: And and that's what I look for first, because you

818
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: can see zone, you can teach your zonn eyes, but

819
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: having the ability to really be sticky in man coverage

820
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: and have those traits and be able to show those

821
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: traits in college. I think the SEC they do it

822
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: badly than anyone in the sense of like guys are

823
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: really challenged. You don't see you don't see a lot

824
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: of teams just we're just gonna play quarters and just

825
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: sit off. In the SEC, you see guys getting up

826
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: in guy's faces and the challenge against some of the

827
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: best receivers, almost athletic receivers. So at least you can

828
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: see how that transitions into the NFL. It's a little

829
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: easier when you can see guy play man, then all right,

830
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: I could teach you how to play some zone as

831
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: opposed to maybe a Josh Jackson cameing out of Iowa

832
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and there was so much cover three,

833
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: so much off. The few times I did see him

834
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: play man a little long with his movements, it's like man,

835
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: like you would like see a little bit more, but

836
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: it's like, how does that transis to sit in the field.

837
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't as high on him as some other people

838
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: that I thought he had traffic ball skills, which he

839
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: did from off, but how can you play man? I

840
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: think that transitions better to the NFL, better than teaching

841
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: guy's zone and I think that's why of her career

842
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: doing that so well in the SEC that replicating that

843
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. It's why he's probably submented himself

844
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: as a late first round pick, even the guy with

845
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: short arms and all those other things that he might

846
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: have worked against slight flak frame, five eleven hundred and

847
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: eighty five pounds, not the biggest guys, but he put

848
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: it on film that can cover any type of receiver

849
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: and re vertically with Do you think teams will pitch

850
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: and hold him croc as a slot guy in the

851
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: proj Do you think he can play outside a man?

852
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: I think that that conversation is definitely gonna be had

853
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: when you have arms, I mean he has like these

854
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: little t Rex arms. They were like that is not ideal,

855
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: especially for some teams I'm pretty sure just took him

856
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: off their board altogether. You know. I think it was

857
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks that, I mean they want If you

858
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: don't have thirty two armland, they don't want you. And

859
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: there are other teams that are gonna go with that

860
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: as well. So there's gonna be some teams that cross

861
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: them off regardless of what we saw in film. No

862
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: question about it would any of these corners for you guys,

863
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: and how would you rank them up against the two

864
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: top corners from last year, Certain and J. C. Horne.

865
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: Who would be the first two guys off the board.

866
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: That's a good one. I mean I like Certain and

867
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: I loved Horn. I still think you're talking about different

868
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: drafts because last year was so quarterback heavy. I'm just

869
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: happy I stumped Tony. I'm excited. Look at it, Hey,

870
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: last year you have what three quarterbacks go and basically

871
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: pushed those guys down. I would say I would probably

872
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: have both Certain and J. C. Horne rated slightly higher

873
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: than Stingley and Gardner. I I loved j. C. Horne

874
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: and the reason why it was it was some of

875
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: the things that you can't teach and your measurements can't

876
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: teach us as well. It was just who he was,

877
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: just the competitor, that alpha mill, the leader. You know.

878
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: I have got some inside from one of my guys.

879
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: I was at South Carolina telling me, hey, from the

880
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: time this guy showed up, he was the leader in

881
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: the secondary as a true freshman, those type of leaders

882
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: ships he was. And then when he went and tested

883
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: extremely well through the roof jumped over four inches, ran

884
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: in the four threes, and they said, hey, were you

885
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: inspired by what Patrickson? Tan did? Said, no, I'm the

886
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: standard right on national television. I'm the standard for what

887
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: these other guys wanna be. And I'm like, man, it's

888
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: hard to find guys that are like that. And the

889
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: challenges he took on in college shadowing guys, you don't

890
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: see a whole lot of shadowing going on in college football.

891
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: But he would cover you outside, inside, guard big guys,

892
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: smaller guys, and there were some things he can improve

893
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: on in the sense of movement skills and things like that,

894
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: but just tremendous. So he'd still be my my number one.

895
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: And another guy like you didn't even mentioned him, but uh,

896
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: Greg Newsome out of Northwestern. He had some injury issues,

897
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: but that was a guy I thought he had the

898
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: best overall film and it sends to being a press guy,

899
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: off guy, challenging himself in space, his feet, doing a

900
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of the thinking for him out there. I mean,

901
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: he was tremor just and he had a really good

902
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: rookie year to back that up. Interesting, So we'll say

903
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I think both Gardner and Stingley guys top ten picks,

904
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: gonna be top twelve picks, top ten, top ten picks.

905
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: Will you know, let's see what happens with the combine.

906
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Let's do they run will Yeah, they're run well. Top

907
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: fIF teams. Sure, sure. Do you think the Stingley stuff

908
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: might scare enough teams off where he could drop or

909
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: do you think that freshman table we'll kind of keep

910
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: him up there. I don't think he's gonna drop that far,

911
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: because you know he's gonna be He's gonna be over

912
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: six ft tall, and then you know McCreary smaller, Andrew Booth,

913
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how tall he's gonna be. We'll see

914
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: what his measurements are. And I just don't think he's

915
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: as good as carre You don't you know. We didn't

916
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: say as long as day, as long as they stay

917
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: away from Stingley versus DeVante Smith, I think he should

918
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: be all right, but they watched that film both years

919
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: he kind of struggled, and maybe his injuries, and then

920
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: that's a whole another question as well. Then you go

921
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: back to Monte Smith beat him deep a couple of

922
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: times games, no question about it, um and then Booth,

923
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: you guys mentioned we don't really touched much on booth

924
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: except to kind of mentioned him in passing. You know,

925
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: I thought he made some really nice place, but then

926
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: earlier in the year there were some big place he's

927
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: gave up to. I thought, kind of a boom or

928
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: bus guy, give me a little thumbnail on booth, I think,

929
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: oh no, I'll just say from from a movement skill standpoint,

930
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: doesn't get much better with his feet, the hits, change

931
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: of direction, the athleticism. You know, there's this freakish interception

932
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: that's floating around, uh the internet right now. I remember

933
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: seeing that earlier in the season and you see it

934
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: now where he's just i mean leaves out the ability

935
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: to pick off a pass and just having that type

936
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: of natural, fluid athleticism. I think some teams are really coveted.

937
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, got beat early on and some things.

938
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: But again, they're just gonna look at his traits, his ability,

939
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: and what's consistent on film, and it was a lot

940
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: more good than bad, that's sure. And he's smart. I mean,

941
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: he's got good instincts. He doesn't have mental lapses on

942
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: the field, he doesn't have breakdowns. He's constantly making positive plays,

943
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: which is an look part of it. You know, the

944
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: guy can have goal the greatest physical skills in the world,

945
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: but if he's if he's late transitioning off the line

946
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: with an opponent, he can't find the ball. You know

947
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: that that's a problem. That's not an issue for Booth.

948
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: It was a great play I watched this morning. I

949
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: think he was playing a third of the field and

950
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: cover three and he got caught right you with the

951
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: tight end running down the scene on his side, you

952
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver running deep down the sideline. He

953
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: was trying to play both and kind of you know,

954
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: measure both, and he broke on the tight end just

955
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: some time to knock the scene pass away. Though. It's

956
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: a really nice look, Tony. Who's your sleep or a

957
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: corner kid by the name of Sam Willmack from Toledo,

958
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: a little bit smaller, five five nine and a half

959
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: hundred eighty pounds. It's been a real good cornerback at

960
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: Toledo for three years running. Now. I think he's a

961
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: terrific dimeback slot corner at the next level. All right,

962
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm a sleeper as will Vincent Gray out of Michigan.

963
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy nobody's really talking about and

964
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, he had a rough kind of year before,

965
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: but I thought this year kind of bounced back well.

966
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: Got he showed tremendous ability to really be able to

967
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: play press as well as some off not as great

968
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: in space, and there my be some question by the

969
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: speed I've got on film, he didn't have any issues

970
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: covering the vertical pushing routes. Maybe they didn't play against

971
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: the league guys, But I have not seen the all

972
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: the twenty two of the Ohio State games. I would

973
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: love to see that for a kind of really giving

974
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: my final analysis on them. By that overall, just physicality

975
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: going out of his way to make tackles. His ability

976
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: to play press at the line of scrimmage, Uh, not

977
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: too many times you see him out of phase, did

978
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: a terrific job of reading receivers down. Think a lot

979
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: of you know, he has a size, he has all

980
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: that it's gonna be come down to how well does

981
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: he test and potentially kind of bump him up and

982
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: too maybe a late day two type guy. Then going

983
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: against those Ohio State receivers, obviously that's a that that's

984
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: a great test. Three excellent, excellent players going down the field.

985
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: There all right, let's wrap it up with safety boys.

986
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Tony obviously we know Kyle Hamil, there's number one for everyone.

987
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Who do you have rounding it out? And or any

988
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: of these guys gonna sneak into the first round? Yeah,

989
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: I think Hamilton is the only first round that read

990
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: the position. After that, who was seen of Georgia Hard

991
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a tremendous overall safety guy. You can

992
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: play coverage over the slot receivers, not gonna be a liability,

993
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: great range. Here's a sleeper to keep an eye. I'm

994
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: sure no one else has got his name out there.

995
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: And Nick Cross of Maryland, who is expected to test

996
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: through the roof at the combine, was a good player

997
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: at Maryland again, very good against the past. Not just

998
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: a downhill up the field safety, but can go sideline

999
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: to stylige when the balls is in the air and

1000
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: makes a lot of positive plays. I like you kuon

1001
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: Brisker Penn State a lot, very explosive it gets to

1002
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: the ball, makes a lot of positive plays. And Jalen

1003
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: Petrie of Baylor, who kind of played a hybrid linebacker

1004
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: safety position at Baylor, went to the senior ball you know,

1005
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: proved like you were talking about Troy Anderson before Montana

1006
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: State proved that it was. It was made the seamless

1007
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: transition into coverage in those one on one drills right

1008
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: in his hips, fluid moving backwards, he was able to

1009
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: stay on the receiver's hip out of brakes. Really showed

1010
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: me a lot of coverage skills at the senior ball,

1011
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: which he wasn't asked to do all that much of

1012
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: at Baylor ROC. Yeah, so I got Kyle Homilton's for

1013
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: that's my number one guy. When you have that six

1014
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: fourth frame two pounds, the ability to cover space as

1015
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: he has. I mean, we've all seen the plays where

1016
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: you know he's playing too high for hash and B

1017
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: lines all the way across the field to make an interception.

1018
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: Diving interception on the sideline shows special range. And his

1019
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: range just doesn't just stop there in coverage where he's

1020
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: a playmaker will but his range is started off as

1021
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: a two high safety come down on key downs and

1022
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: I saw him make a tackle for a loss on

1023
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: fourth and two starting out as a two high safety

1024
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: dot that was tremendous. Uh, how will he do in

1025
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: space consistently, especially in the NFL if he's asked to

1026
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: do a little bit more man covers guys, being that

1027
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: long cut, long lego type guy canny transition and move

1028
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: with guys in space. That's gonna be a question, but

1029
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of ability and I

1030
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: can't wait see how he tests. I got Daxton, he'll second,

1031
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Petree, third, Lewis seen, and then Rome McKinley out

1032
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: of Oregon. So the a bit left to some pack

1033
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: twelve guys. But Daxon Hill and Petrie both have the

1034
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: ability to play some safety but also come down playing

1035
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: the nicke. Michigan did a ton of this with Daxon Hill,

1036
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: how to held up in slots. Felt comfortable with him.

1037
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: Playing coverage in space running with slot fades was one

1038
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: of the toughest things to do, especially for safety. I

1039
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: think he did that well. I think NFL teams might

1040
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: prioritize his coverage ability and kind of bump him up

1041
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: a little bit. So yeah, those were in Then, um,

1042
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: there was a play that showed his toughness. Right. I'm

1043
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: watching him against Indiana and he runs vertically, does a

1044
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: terrific job running with a slot faith locked up straps. Uh,

1045
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: don't throw it here, but the quarterback took off and

1046
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: a quarterback that has a full headed team, he defeated

1047
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: the block and then with really no ability to kind

1048
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: of really gather any type of momentum, just runs straight

1049
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: into the quarterback, flips the quarterback and I was like,

1050
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: that guy has some stones, because a lot of times

1051
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: when guys running at you and you don't have a

1052
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: good angle to take some of the away from that impact,

1053
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: they kind of shide away from it. He didn't that

1054
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: that showed the mindset that he has for a guy

1055
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: that's not very big. And then guys make the case

1056
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's worth the top five pick, worth the top

1057
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: ten pick, or maybe not even that. What do you

1058
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: guys stand on that with Kydlton? Yeah, I don't think

1059
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: he's worth the top five. They can go back to

1060
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: what Eric said. This is something I said all along.

1061
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, he's a long, lim guy who's more of

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00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: a loafer. You know, is he gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: cover a lot of area in space? And I go

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00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: back to what I said one of the first shows

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Speaker 1: we did. I think as you get closer to the draft,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear more and more people talking about Kyle

1067
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: Hamilton's uh best position at the next level is outside linebacker.

1068
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: Not safe. You go back to what we talked about

1069
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: is the linebacker position. How they're moved, taking athletic safeties

1070
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: and putting them an outside linebackers so they can, you know,

1071
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: cover the Titans, so they can cover the running backs.

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00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: I like Kyle Hamilton's I'm just not in love with

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00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: him as a pure, true free safety in the NFL

1074
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: or really a top top eight pick. And you talked

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00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: about moving the safety to the linebacker. Forty Niners have

1076
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: three of those. I talked about Fare Warner, but also

1077
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: Dre green Law. He played safety a lot at Arkansas

1078
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: and also these outside year. He played some safety in

1079
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: college as well. So maybe Kyle Himpton's the next in

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00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: line for that transition. All right, you guys got some sleepers, Tony,

1081
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: how about you first? Yeah? Devanny Reed of Central Michigan

1082
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: seventy three tackles last year, two in exception, six pass breakups.

1083
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: This is a kid who did nothing but make product

1084
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: play productive football at Central Michigan. Wasn't advited to the

1085
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: Combine Watches Pro Day. Again, one of those guys that's

1086
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna slip out of the draft he signed is an

1087
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent and then making NFL rosters a ninth

1088
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: defensive back next year. Croc, you got a name for

1089
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: me right now? I got one name, and we'll see

1090
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: if he plays corner, he plays safety. But Will Adams

1091
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Speaker 1: from Virginia State, that's an HPCU, a guy that I

1092
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: really like watch him in person. Didn't measure in in

1093
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the stance of height weight is what it looked like

1094
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: in person. He looks like six three two five pounds.

1095
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: He measured in at about six two hundred and ninety

1096
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: pounds in that range. Uh vertical jump was forty plus inches,

1097
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Speaker 1: broad jump over ten of forty sounds like he's gonna

1098
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: improve on that from what he did at the hbc

1099
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: U combined. But just from an athletic standpoint, I think

1100
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that's a guy that if he can add a little

1101
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Speaker 1: bit of way to his frame his he smooth in

1102
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Speaker 1: and out of breaks. I thought he transitioned Will. I

1103
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: thought the change of direction was extremely well while watching him.

1104
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: That's a guy who I think, you know what we'll

1105
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Speaker 1: see continue. You know, he's not gonna be at the combine,

1106
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Speaker 1: so that might hurt him a little bit with that exposure,

1107
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Speaker 1: But maybe a guy that could be either a potential

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Speaker 1: light round or undrafted rookie free agent. Alright, guys, that's

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Speaker 1: the defense. Great job. We'll be back with you next

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Speaker 1: Monday with our combined preview, will talk about the event itself,

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Speaker 1: Tonya and reporting as to how Accountable came together. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about some of the guys that will shine out,

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Speaker 1: some of the guys that need to shine out, and

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Speaker 1: what NFL front officers think is most important that takes

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Speaker 1: place there. Gentlemen, it's stuff. Good to talk to you

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Speaker 1: as always for Tony Polly and Eric Crocker. I'm John Schmulk.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us on the Draft Season podcast.

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Speaker 1: You remember, find it on your favorite podcast platforms and subscribe.

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