Speaker 1: They always know, this is my oldest son. This is
Speaker 1: just the oldest son.
Speaker 2: I that in that way since I was so, you know,
Speaker 2: your oldest son, I always won't jump up and be bad.
Speaker 2: He grew, he got taller, he bigger than me and
Speaker 2: all this. He thinks it was what it was.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I hate when you say the oldest son because it's
Speaker 3: your oldest boy. So you know you my oldest boy now,
Speaker 3: So so chill out.
Speaker 4: Welcome back Unplugged, our weekly spin around the culture.
Speaker 5: Jack. What's going on?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 5: Cooling? My boy? Are you good?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 4: How was your How was your Mother's day?
Speaker 5: Weekend?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: Was beautiful? Man, Happy Mother's Day every mother out there.
Speaker 6: Heavenly Mother's Day to your mother.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 6: We went to uh Ruth Chris asked something neat. Then
Speaker 6: we went to the movies and watched The New Planet
Speaker 6: of the Apes.
Speaker 5: It was pretty cool. How was it?
Speaker 4: It was good?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was good. It was good.
Speaker 6: I had three goofy ladies with me, one on the phone,
Speaker 6: one laugh and in one sleep, so I had an
Speaker 6: entertaining crew with me.
Speaker 5: But I enjoyed the movie. You know, I.
Speaker 6: Geeked up before I went to Man, so that's why
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: To me, it was the Planet of the Stack files.
Speaker 6: I feel like everybody, all the monkeys in the movie
Speaker 6: looked like you or shit.
Speaker 5: Man, that was my partners, feel like I knew him.
Speaker 4: Well, that's dope.
Speaker 5: We didn't do ship.
Speaker 4: It was nice. So we heated up the pool and man,
Speaker 4: we all swam all day and oh yeah, that that's so.
Speaker 4: That was the weekend before. Sons of likes to make sure, like,
Speaker 4: because we rotate the twins. Yeah, so sometimes we have them,
Speaker 4: sometimes we don't, so no matter, like we have early
Speaker 4: holidays or early events. So yeah, we took her to
Speaker 4: Mother's Day last weekend because it was time we had
Speaker 4: all the kids. And then this weekend, man, we just
Speaker 4: stayed around the house, barbecue, swam, watched Beetle Juice as
Speaker 4: a family. The kids weren't worth fucking with it at
Speaker 4: all until they until Beetle Juice came out started tripping,
Speaker 4: but UH had.
Speaker 5: A good little time.
Speaker 4: We actually u Au is headed off to d next weekend,
Speaker 4: your old stopping grounds, so that should be interesting. Third
Speaker 4: stop at euy b L so it should be dope. Well, Jack,
Speaker 4: we've been talking about this summer tour. Excited to lock
Speaker 4: in the guests we have, and we actually have our
Speaker 4: Chicago guests on the show this morning. You know, guys
Speaker 4: that we played with and against and and obviously fucked
Speaker 4: with heavy and they burned too, definitely burned. But they
Speaker 4: jack they're the originators in this space I think for basketball.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, I think they're the first.
Speaker 5: I ain't no question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, So definitely want to welcome to the show
Speaker 4: the Knuckleheads, our brother Now we want to welcome our guests,
Speaker 4: h brothers.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, the the real OG's in this space, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? The I think, and they could correct
Speaker 4: us if we were wrong. I think they were the
Speaker 4: first former basketball players in this podcast space. Man, So
Speaker 4: was we connect not the first?
Speaker 1: Not the first?
Speaker 2: Man, we we we get that lot of the real
Speaker 2: o G would probably be Jay Rose because you know
Speaker 2: he's been doing it for so long with Jalen and
Speaker 2: Jacoby kick it off.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 2: That was actually that they put on TV. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: we just didn't know that about podcasting back then.
Speaker 1: It was that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then probably Richard r J and Channing when they
Speaker 2: get the little road tripping back when they was with
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Cavaliz.
Speaker 4: Okay, so y'all are up there in the hierarchy.
Speaker 5: I can reframe it.
Speaker 6: Then y'all the first uh to have a podcast where
Speaker 6: it's two NBA players and two real niggas on the
Speaker 6: same podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah say that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: Ship ship anyway, man, welcome to the show, knuckleheads. Really excited, man,
Speaker 4: We appreciate you guys taking time. Obviously we're connecting in
Speaker 4: Chicago June four time that time. Yeah, we gonna be
Speaker 4: out there. Jack got his w jersey, so definitely looking
Speaker 4: forward to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So how many how long have you guys been
Speaker 4: since you kind of gave us the history and the
Speaker 4: hierarchy of the space shows how much we don't know.
Speaker 4: I thought y'all was the first ones because we didn't
Speaker 4: know shit about podcasts we got in.
Speaker 5: We just we.
Speaker 1: Didn't either, bro, we didn't neither.
Speaker 2: We like, we just had to be We just had
Speaker 2: to be cognizant of it because people was calling us
Speaker 2: that we didn't want to be saying.
Speaker 1: Something that we weren't. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We had to give respect to to you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying to those those shoes right there. But I mean,
Speaker 2: like you said, nobody really knew nothing about it. If
Speaker 2: you me, like even before me and d Miles had
Speaker 2: this me it was me Al Hanton and Jed Jeffrey,
Speaker 2: We like toy with it for like a final series
Speaker 2: like five years ago, some joint with the with the
Speaker 2: Players Tribune that we did and we didn't even know
Speaker 2: what it was then, right, but uh, you know me
Speaker 2: and d it was a you know, it took a
Speaker 2: long time to bring the situation together. We both we
Speaker 2: both had the articles with the Players Tribune, and when
Speaker 2: he yeah he is, they got to see, you know,
Speaker 2: he and our chemistry together and you know, everybody gonna
Speaker 2: know that we've been knowing each other since what I was,
Speaker 2: what seventeen, you was fifteen?
Speaker 5: Black, yeah, fifteen yeah, so four.
Speaker 2: So we go back to AU and people didn't realize,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying that you know how it is,
Speaker 2: bro like you see how somebody had it is when
Speaker 2: you hoop with somebody, you when y'all got that bond,
Speaker 2: and then different actually get to the league and we
Speaker 2: get drafted together. So it was like so much more
Speaker 2: time spent like if we played and you know, he
Speaker 2: lived in East Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: I'm from Chicago.
Speaker 2: But when we went on the road trips and everything,
Speaker 2: we was locked in. But then he go back to
Speaker 2: East sam in Chicago. But then when we both declared like,
Speaker 2: we stayed together pre draft, worked out together the whole
Speaker 2: pre draft. Then I slipped in the draft, so we
Speaker 2: get drafted together. Now we living in the same team
Speaker 2: and all that. So it was just like, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, The chemistry and the love has just
Speaker 2: been there since day one.
Speaker 3: Tell me I was busting your ass and workouts when
Speaker 3: we was living together doing that.
Speaker 2: Heye, one thing, y'all, one thing. One thing that anybody
Speaker 2: know about us. They always know this my oldest son.
Speaker 2: It's just the oldest son. I guess in that way
Speaker 2: since I was so, you know, your oldest son, I
Speaker 2: always won't jump up and be bad. He grew, he
Speaker 2: got tall, he's bigger than me and all this. He
Speaker 2: thinks it was what it was, but it.
Speaker 5: Wasn't the documentary.
Speaker 1: Gain of documentary. We wrestling and fighting, and I booked
Speaker 1: your ass in that game.
Speaker 3: In the documentary the oldest son, because it's your oldest boy.
Speaker 3: So you know you my oldest boy now, so chill out, hey.
Speaker 4: You remember that my first I got caught up from
Speaker 4: the G League. My first practice, you and Key Dooley
Speaker 4: was putting hands on each other or the Clippers, remember
Speaker 4: that ship, bro was practicing ourself. My something brought project.
Speaker 4: When I tell you my first practice, I'm walking into
Speaker 4: Q with the Q and Q and kad lock up.
Speaker 2: That's just that's just gonna show you know we we
Speaker 2: real brothers like me and k like this.
Speaker 1: That was that was just.
Speaker 4: Brothers, like straight up. And I was sure, Glasd, I'm
Speaker 4: sure glad you didn't get your hands on them like
Speaker 4: you wanted to though, because you was that nigga looked
Speaker 4: like a grizzly bear out the case, Jackie.
Speaker 6: You know, you know c he was a he was
Speaker 6: a walking biceph. We had we We was booking all
Speaker 6: stars together, all three of us.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, we had that that journey.
Speaker 5: In d c. Hey Man.
Speaker 6: We had our We was all on the same floor, Matt.
Speaker 6: We had our doors open. Everybody had their doors open.
Speaker 6: We was part laying. When I say parlaying, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, y'all wasn't doing nothing.
Speaker 5: Like a big.
Speaker 2: We had it lyddy, we had it Leddy.
Speaker 4: Now, well, we're definitely looking forward to this again. Q
Speaker 4: going back to your hometown, uh to do a live show.
Speaker 4: We appreciate that. What's the first place when you've been
Speaker 4: going from home for a minute, you stop and get
Speaker 4: some food at when you get back to the shop Herls.
Speaker 1: Harrows, easy hal chicken.
Speaker 2: Second start, gonna be home with a whole You gotta
Speaker 2: be from our south, know about Home of the Hole,
Speaker 2: but that's gonna be I probably don't go there myself,
Speaker 2: but somebody gonna gonna grab it up from.
Speaker 1: Them, you know what I'm saying. What about badd In Barry's.
Speaker 5: What about Baden Bearrys, y'all? That breakfast spot?
Speaker 2: I ain't really that's that's too far in the city
Speaker 2: for me. Like when I'm really there, like, I ain't
Speaker 2: doing all that. I probably don't even get up that early.
Speaker 2: And if I do, I got something to do, so
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna be able to do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, that's hey.
Speaker 4: Well, June fourth will be in Chicago. Get your tickets.
Speaker 4: All the Smoke Productions dot Com slash tour. We will
Speaker 4: have a good time. We gonna have some merch, we
Speaker 4: gonna have some drink, we'll have something to smoke. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Q and D miles of just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have some other guests come through. Man. So
Speaker 4: we're really excited. Now, fellas, we're gonna transition into current
Speaker 4: playoffs and what's going on in the playoffs. The referees.
Speaker 4: The referees have always been a topic of conversation of late.
Speaker 4: I feel like there, I feel like this playoff rand
Speaker 4: they letting more shit go, which I like. I feel
Speaker 4: like they're getting a little bit more physicals. The the
Speaker 4: you know, they're letting some shit go. Uh Carlisle. Rick
Speaker 4: Carlisle said it's unfortunate the small town teams don't really
Speaker 4: have a chance. He got fined for that. But then
Speaker 4: the what's a little friendlier the next two games where
Speaker 4: they were able to tie it up against the Knicks.
Speaker 4: I'll start with the knuckleheads.
Speaker 5: First.
Speaker 4: Thoughts on on how referees are calling games are is
Speaker 4: it a little looser closer to the to the game
Speaker 4: where we came in and played, and what are your
Speaker 4: thoughts about that?
Speaker 5: It's nowhere new, nowhere new. Back in the day.
Speaker 3: Uh, they getting a little bit a little bit more,
Speaker 3: you know, letting a little bit more stuff go.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be up and down some games, Like
Speaker 3: you don't even really see the whole system, the home
Speaker 3: court advantage no more. You know, it just be real
Speaker 3: kind of inconsistent. I would still be more consistent with
Speaker 3: what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Man, I I can't complain right now, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like it's definitely you know, whatever you wanna say,
Speaker 2: up and down. But I feel like, like you said, they're
Speaker 2: getting to play play more physical, We're getting to see
Speaker 2: more stuff that where you would normally see a foul
Speaker 2: not be a foul. And I think it's shown it
Speaker 2: should be a difference like it used to be for us,
Speaker 2: like regular season basketball. You know, it's a it tick
Speaker 2: up or not you in the playoffs and all of
Speaker 2: the little tic tac stuff shouldn't be called. So I
Speaker 2: understand that's his players. We're gonna complain about it, but
Speaker 2: like that's that's just the you know, the nature of
Speaker 2: the beach.
Speaker 1: But I like what's going on as far as I'm
Speaker 1: letting them play more.
Speaker 6: M I agree, I agree man, and Q, which I
Speaker 6: was they definitely let them play more.
Speaker 5: And that's the way we play. You know, we want
Speaker 5: a physical game, but.
Speaker 6: It shouldn't have to come to a coach last night
Speaker 6: or a player getting fine for them to start seeing
Speaker 6: that there's one side of all they fucking up and
Speaker 6: and and and the way to you know, kind of
Speaker 6: fix all that is, you know, you have so many
Speaker 6: players that that's that's done playing basketball. Everybody can't get
Speaker 6: in the coaching Well, why don't you make more players
Speaker 6: referees that then played the game that could see things
Speaker 6: that guys that's coming from off the golf course are
Speaker 6: playing baseball another sport because all these all these little
Speaker 6: guys that's referees ain't never played basketball. So if you
Speaker 6: want to kind of help the decision making and help
Speaker 6: the referees starting letting some of these basketball players that
Speaker 6: don't have jobs or that don't want to be coaches,
Speaker 6: that can't be coaches become referees, put them through that
Speaker 6: system because they see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Folks that we play, yeah.
Speaker 6: We need more of them Q And you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, because they gonna see things that these guys
Speaker 6: will never be.
Speaker 5: Able to see by because they actually played it.
Speaker 1: Ain't that like?
Speaker 4: Ain't that like being a criminal and then going to
Speaker 4: be a cop when you're done being a criminal? Ain't
Speaker 4: that crossover?
Speaker 1: Crazy?
Speaker 5: That's that's a crazy crossover. But d r J did it.
Speaker 4: Richard Jefferson's Yep, he did a real game.
Speaker 5: He might have believe he might.
Speaker 4: Have a little copy in him though, not that.
Speaker 5: Working for them people.
Speaker 4: My job. If you could spend a night in town,
Speaker 4: if you had to spend a night in town with
Speaker 4: two referees pastor present, who would it be?
Speaker 5: Bob Delaney and uh Joey Crawford Joey Crawford.
Speaker 6: But I wanna I'm gonna slip Joey Crawford something to
Speaker 6: get him high, slipping.
Speaker 5: A little something?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: Did he No? Not that type man?
Speaker 1: Come did with?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: I got? I got. I'm going with my shot town homies.
Speaker 2: I'm going with with Danny Crawford and and James Capers.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, with Danny and Violet was my girl? I
Speaker 3: fuck with Violet shell.
Speaker 4: It Okay, ain't her Violet? In a minute? I wanted
Speaker 4: what happened to Violet?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I changed Jorde Cropper for Violet.
Speaker 6: But the reason why I like Bob Delaney because he
Speaker 6: was he was an undercover copy that Donny Brasco ship.
Speaker 1: So I want to remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wasn't here all that. Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah they did.
Speaker 2: They did a little special doctumunity something. He's real one
Speaker 2: of them people.
Speaker 4: Who's the one ref you at least want to spend
Speaker 4: any time with, the one with the most Juli.
Speaker 6: Crawt Uh, what's the what's the what's this?
Speaker 4: What's the Garrison? Tony Garrison? No, that's the dude that
Speaker 4: worked for the Was it wrong? I thought he worked
Speaker 4: for the for the league, didn't he? No?
Speaker 6: It was it was it was a referee with was
Speaker 6: Daddy Garrison?
Speaker 5: What's his name?
Speaker 1: Up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What's buddy name? That got the gout?
Speaker 2: Got got put out? I'm saying away from him, Donaghee. Yeah, going,
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta stay far off from that.
Speaker 5: Who is who?
Speaker 4: With Donahe and Ed molloy, Ed malloy. I heard that
Speaker 4: that was the tall, skinny blonde dude right off them
Speaker 4: boys looked like scrappy dude. Who's the dude that keeps
Speaker 4: fucking with CP right now? Or been fucking with CP.
Speaker 4: I forgot his name. Goddamnit.
Speaker 5: I don't like him either.
Speaker 4: Scott Foster, Hey, he's dirty and you know you saw
Speaker 4: if you saw the Donahue ship, that was the one
Speaker 4: person he called the most. Scott Foster always just said
Speaker 4: just an arrogant asshole. He probably still wouldn't bulls ship.
Speaker 4: Nicks playing hobbled. Unfortunately we all know they lost Julius
Speaker 4: Randalls to a shoulder, but since the playoffs begun they've
Speaker 4: lost Bogdanovich, O g and Anobi and Mitch Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 4: Uh Tibbs, I don't know if either of you guys
Speaker 4: are playing from Tims is known to play guys long
Speaker 4: minute and and run them to the wire. Josh Harden
Speaker 4: is avenue forty six minutes a game, and he's played
Speaker 4: forty eight a number of times, brunting at forty two.
Speaker 4: What are your guys' thoughts on the Knicks? Uh, their
Speaker 4: injury and the high minutes for their go to guys?
Speaker 5: Why haven't you been at the games? Q?
Speaker 1: I just ain't been in New York. I been when
Speaker 1: I was out there, I was busy.
Speaker 2: I went out there for the Jordan Classic, for the
Speaker 2: out of Brooklyn was busy, couldn't go over to the
Speaker 2: game that day. But you know, I'm a homebody, bro,
Speaker 2: that's all.
Speaker 6: Once Nick always okay, yeah, I was about to say
Speaker 6: that about said that because you're a part of that, because
Speaker 6: I was killing ten times. I'm like, come on, Tim, Bro,
Speaker 6: you played for a whole bunch of teams. He act
Speaker 6: like you just was a Nick for ten years or
Speaker 6: some shit.
Speaker 1: Live out them many every game now.
Speaker 5: That what I told him. We see you every game, bro.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at what Tim's doing.
Speaker 2: Man. I like, I like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think the players, like y'all, y'all asked me, y'all
Speaker 2: was one of them dudes, it was getting to play
Speaker 2: all the minutes. Y'all gonna be complaining, well.
Speaker 1: All of them. Look, I want all the minutes.
Speaker 2: I want all the opportunity to get off and to
Speaker 2: impact the game and to help. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: All that's good for those dudes. I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: the best for the guys behind them. But like sometimes
Speaker 2: with certain coaches, that's the way it is. Coach Don
Speaker 2: Tony didn't go real deep when I played with things.
Speaker 2: When to play seven eight guys and you just rock
Speaker 2: out to me. I mean, you know it's I don't
Speaker 2: think it's as much about that because they just look
Speaker 2: at the history and like that's just what happened. But
Speaker 2: you look at Mike D'Antoni coach team, he never went deep.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have all these guys. It was injuries. So
Speaker 2: I think it's just the lucky to draw sometimes. Man,
Speaker 2: Sometimes injuries happen, And obviously in New York everything's gonna
Speaker 2: be magnified by a million. So it's like anything that happens,
Speaker 2: any trend or anything's gonna be a million times bigger
Speaker 2: than it would be in any other city because it's
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 3: Right now, that's a double edged sword, Like you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to go on that bench. It's gonna make him
Speaker 3: go on that bench because guys getting hurt, Guys tired,
Speaker 3: and like they playing against the paces, the paces keeping
Speaker 3: that tempo up, were like we're finna running, y'all gonna
Speaker 3: play this many guys, they gonna be running every time.
Speaker 5: So it's a double ed seward for them right now.
Speaker 4: I wonder has there been success though with you know,
Speaker 4: I know Tims hasn't gone to the finals as a
Speaker 4: head coach has he and we know Dan TONI didn't,
Speaker 4: so I understand that formula in the way some coaches
Speaker 4: do it. And if you're playing six seven guys, I
Speaker 4: wonder what the percentage breakdown is with six or seven
Speaker 4: guys or just adding one more guy to that rotation,
Speaker 4: or you know, an eight or nine guy rotation as
Speaker 4: opposed to the seven, A tighter seven with maybe a
Speaker 4: loose eight. I just think Q to your point, absolutely,
Speaker 4: if you're a player in those minutes, you love it,
Speaker 4: you know more opportunity to do you know, do what
Speaker 4: you do. But at the end of the day, subconsciously
Speaker 4: we still think we're sharp. But I think production kind
Speaker 4: of shows that you know that many minutes at the
Speaker 4: end of the season guys are running down. But on
Speaker 4: the flip saw you look at you know, the Kobe's
Speaker 4: back in two thousand and one. Two thousand and two
Speaker 4: played forty three and forty four minutes per game in
Speaker 4: the playoffs. MJ was always forty plus. Alan Iverson when
Speaker 4: they went to the finals was playing forty six minutes
Speaker 4: a game, you know, KG forty four minutes a game
Speaker 4: in the four run. So normally your stars gotta.
Speaker 2: Names you're saying right there, You think about the difference
Speaker 2: in the names you're saying, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: it's a big difference when you're talking to k Jean's
Speaker 2: the Kobe's, and this is no disrespect, but when you're
Speaker 2: talking to Josh Hart's and Thedevicenzos, that's not even the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know q T. Your point, and
Speaker 4: this is something we've talked about on this show was
Speaker 4: I love the Knicks. I love what they're doing. I
Speaker 4: think Brunson has surpassed everybody's expectations. He's one of the
Speaker 4: top guards in the league. But my question was obviously
Speaker 4: with with with with Randall out, who is their second option?
Speaker 4: I mean, these guys are playing great, don't give it
Speaker 4: Devincenzo before last games, after the twenty nine A game,
Speaker 4: Josh hart is at like eighteen and thirteen and play
Speaker 4: in the most minutes. But we know like a true, true,
Speaker 4: true number two. And again it's not no knock on
Speaker 4: either one of those players because they're playing great, but
Speaker 4: neither those guys are a true number two. So I think,
Speaker 4: despite what the minutes are, I just don't think they're
Speaker 4: with do the injuries, and then just the type of
Speaker 4: players they have. They don't have a true number two.
Speaker 4: Those guys have been playing great, but they're not true
Speaker 4: number twos.
Speaker 1: I don't don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't argue with that, But it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 2: to see what they do in the summer and how
Speaker 2: they come back, because there's questions to be asked if
Speaker 2: they look the.
Speaker 1: Same with Randa out there doing these things.
Speaker 2: He doesn't play like a number two, if we all
Speaker 2: being honest with ourselves, So you know, I don't. It'll
Speaker 2: be interesting because they had a big, big sample side
Speaker 2: seeing what they look like without him and what other
Speaker 2: people can and can't do and.
Speaker 1: Things like that.
Speaker 2: So obviously that's up today front office and they coach
Speaker 2: and stad to decide what they what they took away
Speaker 2: from all of this. But like to me, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be interesting to see him come back into that and
Speaker 2: how it all messages together and just rolls out.
Speaker 6: I don't say I don't see how to how the legs,
Speaker 6: how how the minutes is affecting guys, because like I said,
Speaker 6: it's a fast game.
Speaker 5: It's a different league. But they ain't getting beat up
Speaker 5: as much.
Speaker 6: I mean, like like like Dylan, you just had the
Speaker 6: stat I played forty two uh forty two minutes against
Speaker 6: in the first round of two thousand and seven, but
Speaker 6: my points dipped in the second round. It wasn't because
Speaker 6: I was tired. It was because I was guarding Boozing
Speaker 6: no cool. I was guarding big man me and Matt.
Speaker 6: We was goding four and five men. So and then
Speaker 6: now I don't know that I'm gonna give him as
Speaker 6: props too. I had Carolinko guard me, So it wasn't
Speaker 6: It wasn't like I was. I was just tirednig I
Speaker 6: was garding four and five men in the second round.
Speaker 6: That's why my points dipped. So we was just built different.
Speaker 6: It gotta be in you, not on you. All that
Speaker 6: makeing excuses about playing a lot of minutes. We wanted
Speaker 6: to play dog fuck the bench.
Speaker 4: Seattle, yo. I don't think that's the thing too. They
Speaker 4: they embrace it, you know, heart's been embracing like I
Speaker 4: love me this. You call this the job to stay
Speaker 4: the real, you know, I mean, we get to go
Speaker 4: out here and play a game, so we'll definitely see
Speaker 4: I definitely think, oh for all more than anything, just
Speaker 4: injuries have hit that team because Bogdanovich was big for them,
Speaker 4: and then og was big for them, and obviously Randam
Speaker 4: was moving on Nuggets and the Timberwolves. The momentum has shifted.
Speaker 4: Although put up a big game, I think Denver has
Speaker 4: obviously taken the momentum back as the best, you know,
Speaker 4: two out of three and Denver has home court. What
Speaker 4: do you guys seeing from this series? Obviously with the
Speaker 4: first two wins, I mean, you know, and I think
Speaker 4: Denver took a note of it. The world was treating
Speaker 4: Minnesota like they had won the series after winning their
Speaker 4: first two games. Everyone's doing the whole bunch of media
Speaker 4: and and this, this and that, and ants this and
Speaker 4: as that and and and It's been great. But I
Speaker 4: think they took their foot off of gas a little
Speaker 4: too early and you allowed to defend the champs to uh,
Speaker 4: to sneak back in the pictures. What do you guys
Speaker 4: thoughts about this series and moving forward with it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: I thought Aaron Gordon played amazing last night.
Speaker 5: Uh. I think I thought he stepped up.
Speaker 3: You know, you never queshed the championship team and they
Speaker 3: came back prepared and ready. I think Minnesota you've seen
Speaker 3: you seen a little a little hesitant with them, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. They didn't they didn't play defense
Speaker 3: the way they was playing it, but I feel like
Speaker 3: it wasn't getting called the same. I feel like the
Speaker 3: reps was calling more on the Minnesota side in Denver,
Speaker 3: and I feel like they was calling more on the
Speaker 3: Denver side in Minnesota. So that's why I was saying,
Speaker 3: like the inconsistency of home court advantage, you know, But
Speaker 3: I feel like Aaron Gordon, Caldwell, Pope, the way they
Speaker 3: played D in Minnesota looked like the way Minnesota was
Speaker 3: playing D in Denver.
Speaker 5: So, man, I'm looking forward to this series.
Speaker 3: It's a three game series now, I'm looking forward to
Speaker 3: see what's gonna play out.
Speaker 2: I had I hadn't gone as far as say, did
Speaker 2: crown on the champions or say it was even gonna
Speaker 2: win the series.
Speaker 1: I was. I was just surprised.
Speaker 2: And you know, looking at the way they playing, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: these boys out here, they own it, you know, and
Speaker 2: man lead them. He looking like your records, and he
Speaker 2: doing his thing and everybody else following. But my whole
Speaker 2: hesitancy with everything was like, I gotta see them hit
Speaker 2: some type of adversity right now. At that point they
Speaker 2: were six and zero when the playoffs hadn't lost everything
Speaker 2: in sunshine and blue skies, and it was Rudy, don't
Speaker 2: go to game.
Speaker 1: Two, stay back, have the baby, watch the baby. They win.
Speaker 1: Everything is beautiful face time.
Speaker 2: Like I wanted to see them when they get hit
Speaker 2: in their face, when they get hit straighten, they shit,
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do because we didn't seen in past
Speaker 2: years in the playoffs or whatever, whether it be Cat,
Speaker 2: whether it be Rudy, something going wrong and it's up
Speaker 2: and down and then it's chaos because whatever the case is,
Speaker 2: whatever that adversity is, they ended.
Speaker 1: So I had I wanted to see that before I.
Speaker 2: Know crowned them and gave them to win, because we
Speaker 2: know how to see it. Man, it could be one possession,
Speaker 2: one quarter, one stretch, and then everything go from sugar
Speaker 2: to shit real quick. And now you look at it,
Speaker 2: it's like now they two and two, so now he
Speaker 2: go the adversity. Like last night I felt like Cats yo,
Speaker 2: he was like four for sixteen or something. Man, he
Speaker 2: you know, he got a double double. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: it wasn't what they needed. You know what I'm saying, Rudy.
Speaker 2: Rudy didn't wasn't He didn't do nothing with yo kids.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Yoki chatis way Wooden was
Speaker 2: bumping them, moving on around, make them look small. So
Speaker 2: to me, it's like I didn't wanna. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to crown anything. And then like d said, if Aaron
Speaker 2: Gordon come and play like that, it's curtains. It ain't
Speaker 2: nothing nobody could do. Like that's just the bottom line
Speaker 2: right there. If AG show up like that and he
Speaker 2: gonna do that type of shit, it ain't nothing nobody
Speaker 2: could do with Denver because you know you're gonna get
Speaker 2: what you're gonna get from Joker, and then Murray gonna
Speaker 2: get you a certain amount. And then you got like
Speaker 2: and bron and porterageing like them dudes gonna they gonna
Speaker 2: hit you when they can and if you.
Speaker 1: Let one of them get a twin. But like, if
Speaker 1: AG he the X factor.
Speaker 2: If he do what he do, because he already always
Speaker 2: gonna guard and do all that stuff. But like if
Speaker 2: he gonna give you twenty five fifteen or whatever and
Speaker 2: whatever he gonna he gonna get them type of numbers.
Speaker 1: This current man hit no threes in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: he hit all season.
Speaker 6: There's no way, there's no way to have a chance
Speaker 6: if AG played like that. We are gonna understand that.
Speaker 6: But this is where when you got you got like
Speaker 6: Anthony l was taking the challenge in Garden Murray, when
Speaker 6: you got go Boy wrestling with Yokis, which is damnar possible, Towns,
Speaker 6: you gotta take that. You gotta take that challenge against AG.
Speaker 6: You that third guy, you gotta take that challenge. You
Speaker 6: gotta play better, bro. That's that's that's what it boiled
Speaker 6: down too. If AG gonna play like that, call Anthony Towns.
Speaker 6: For y'all to have even have a chance in the
Speaker 6: See series, you gotta play better on both ends of
Speaker 6: the ball.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted to see because because we all know, I mean,
Speaker 4: during the regular season it's great young teams, fresh teams,
Speaker 4: high flying teams, top of the Western, top of the
Speaker 4: Eastern Conference. It's different than the playoffs and experience always
Speaker 4: you know, most of the time wins out in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to see, not that I was down
Speaker 4: in OKC or Minnesota, but like you said, I wanted
Speaker 4: to see adversity. I wanted to see what it's like
Speaker 4: when you you know, when shit is not going your
Speaker 4: way because in the regular season you got a lot
Speaker 4: of games are corrected. In the playoffs, you don't have
Speaker 4: a lot of time to correct it. And and we
Speaker 4: know with that veteran leadership and experience comes, we're now important.
Speaker 4: Closing out quarters work. And you look at the end
Speaker 4: of that quarter, the end of the second quarter yesterday
Speaker 4: where they scored the eight points and what forty five seconds,
Speaker 4: thirty seconds or something, just being sloppy and letting shift fly.
Speaker 4: I mean, closing quarters is huge. First five minutes of
Speaker 4: the first, you know, first quarter, first five minutes of
Speaker 4: the third quarter. All this shit comes with experience and
Speaker 4: being in there and knowing that. So I'm definitely interested
Speaker 4: to see how they you know, how they answer the
Speaker 4: phone now going back to Denver place, they've had success,
Speaker 4: but now you you know, you've let Denver see blooded
Speaker 4: the water. So we definitely gonna have to see. And
Speaker 4: I think too, the X factor you speak of Aaron
Speaker 4: Gordon's huge. You know, Michael Porter Junior can give you
Speaker 4: thirty at any given time. KCP is a chance a
Speaker 4: proven champion that plays both sides of the ball. When
Speaker 4: you look on that Minnesota side, if they're if their
Speaker 4: core guys aren't coreing, they're gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that they didn't play nas none in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter last night. Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 3: a big mistake. I think he was like, I think
Speaker 3: he was like six for seven from the field. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he ain't get no minutes in the fourth. That was
Speaker 3: surprising for me when they were trying to push back.
Speaker 4: No, but this is good, man. We got two goods.
Speaker 4: We got we got some good series going on out there,
Speaker 4: and definitely looking forward to seeing who's gonna make the
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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, Yes sir, Love Bros, Love bro already Bro, alright,
Speaker 6: alright man.
Speaker 5: Fuck you Jack, I see you, Jelana So Jack.
Speaker 4: We had a segment during an All Star with Brad
Speaker 4: Miller where we did our starting five White Boys, and
Speaker 4: that took a picked up a lot of steam intraction
Speaker 4: on Instagram. We were kind of put on the spot.
Speaker 4: Let's do the White Boy Redraft Draft. You had your team.
Speaker 4: Let me remind you of your team. Your team was
Speaker 4: Pistol Pete, Kurt Hinwent, Keith Van Hord, Birdman, and Brad Miller.
Speaker 4: My team was j Will Rex Chapman, Larry Bird, McHale,
Speaker 4: Bill Lame Bear. I had Mike Miller and somehow I
Speaker 4: cut him.
Speaker 1: Mike. My bad, Bro.
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize. Again, blame it on the weed,
Speaker 4: not my heart. Jack. I'm gonna give you first pick
Speaker 4: in the White Boy Redraft, your all time starting five
Speaker 4: of our white brothers. Pistol p Pistol pet is your
Speaker 4: first pick. My first pick is Larry Bird, Kurt Himri who.
Speaker 4: My next pick is a healthy Bill Walton cool.
Speaker 5: I'm going My third pick is Brad Miller. I like that.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 4: So now that I got two old school players that
Speaker 4: could really put that work in, I'm gonna go young
Speaker 4: and quick to keep up with the game. So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go back to my original pick, Jay will okay.
Speaker 1: Third pick.
Speaker 5: My My third pick is uh Key van Horn.
Speaker 4: My next pick is Chris Mullin. Mm hmmm, who's your
Speaker 4: last pick, sir?
Speaker 5: My last pick.
Speaker 6: In the white boy draft, right boy redraft, I would
Speaker 6: have to go with Let's see, I got a point guard,
Speaker 6: I got a two guard, I got a three and four.
Speaker 5: I could go big again.
Speaker 6: I might need to let letticism at the four with
Speaker 6: Brad Miller at the at the at the five, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna keep that the three.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Tom Chambers at the four.
Speaker 6: So I'm going Pistol Pete Kirk him with Keith Van Horn,
Speaker 6: Tom Chambers and Brad Miller.
Speaker 5: I'm white boyed out.
Speaker 4: Y'all got a big front line. That kind of changes.
Speaker 4: I might have to play small ball. I was gonna
Speaker 4: pick my guy JJ Reddick as a sleeper. It ain't
Speaker 4: gonna work. No, No, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take
Speaker 4: thunder Dan Marley a two way guy that could score
Speaker 4: and play defense. So I got Jay Will at the point,
Speaker 4: Chris Mullin, Dan Marley at the three. I'm gonna put
Speaker 4: Larry at the stretch four, and Bill Walton.
Speaker 5: Bill Walt gonna get cooked.
Speaker 4: You don't know about Bill Walt? Do you have a line?
Speaker 4: He ain't watched that documentary? Watch remember that ship we
Speaker 4: watched at the Old House line That shit was incredible.
Speaker 4: You need to get on there. You need to you
Speaker 4: to know who Bill Walton really was. Yeah, don't get
Speaker 4: it confused. With the injuries and the commentator. He'd be
Speaker 4: off the mushrooms too. You would fuck with Bill Jack.
Speaker 4: But Bill healthy was a problem MVP huh yeah, much
Speaker 4: better than Brad Miller.
Speaker 5: Healthy.
Speaker 4: Bill Walton might have been one of the greatest of
Speaker 4: all times.
Speaker 1: Healthy.
Speaker 4: You gotta go watch that? Was it a third for
Speaker 4: thirty lines? All the shit he went through and how
Speaker 4: they misdiagnosed him and sucked him up. But when he
Speaker 4: was healthy, bro, he was a league MVP Finals, MVP
Speaker 4: one championship. He was nice not to mention what he
Speaker 4: did in college. Brad is ard to guy, but yeah,
Speaker 4: healthy Bill Walton would have been one of the greatest
Speaker 4: players of all time. Yeah, and you can't handle it
Speaker 4: right now, you you you just he's disgusted. Line you
Speaker 4: see how disgusted he is.
Speaker 1: Go watch it.
Speaker 4: Never I'm gonna give you homework, so.
Speaker 6: I would never hit play on nothing that's highlighting Bill
Speaker 6: Walt nigga ever.
Speaker 4: Jack, do me a favor. Watch it before we have
Speaker 4: our next show, and then we're gonna and we're gonna
Speaker 4: circle back around. It's only forty five minutes, like fifty
Speaker 4: minutes trash, crazy as fuck. Anyway, that's a white boy
Speaker 4: redraft y'all. Let us know down in the comments who
Speaker 4: you feels like teams would win? And uh yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I guess the son was nice too. Huh No, his
Speaker 4: son was nothing like him, lucas cool as fuck. No,
Speaker 4: Bill was nice, bro, Go watch it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look at Bill Walder, I'm gonna take him
Speaker 5: out there, but I just don't. I just can't have check.
Speaker 4: Him out now, check him out now, because you got
Speaker 4: that fuck you energy. I want you to really have
Speaker 4: that energy.
Speaker 6: And with that I've always had that fuck your energy
Speaker 6: because he called me a bad human being on TV.
Speaker 4: Oh daddy, Okay, I think I do remember you saying that.
Speaker 6: Matt, Matt, this is what exactly said. I took a shot.
Speaker 6: The nigga found me. It was an abar. He was like,
Speaker 6: what a horrible shot by a horrible human being.
Speaker 4: That sounds like some shit Bill Walnigga.
Speaker 6: My mama, my mama been not ever see him because
Speaker 6: she don't one heard it and she recorded, I'm like, god, dad,
Speaker 6: nigga said that about a nigga. And then I finished
Speaker 6: the game with thirty five points.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. What team are you on, Charlotte?
Speaker 5: Damn?
Speaker 4: What a horrible shot by a horror, horrible human being. Hey,
Speaker 4: that's definitely some Bill Walder shit.
Speaker 5: Though.
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Speaker 5: I was a dope interview too, bro.
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