WEBVTT - Selects: Noise Pollution: Arrrgh!

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, friends, It's Josh. For this week's Select I've chosen

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<v Speaker 1>our October twenty twenty one episode a noise pollution, which

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<v Speaker 1>is actually an overlooked hazard to our health and it's

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<v Speaker 1>even been shown to cause death in some cases. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>it guest stars the worst thing in the world, the

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<v Speaker 1>gas powered leaf blower, and we get to the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of why they're so terrible. Plus there's plenty more amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>action packed stuff, So kick back and enjoy this episode

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<v Speaker 1>on noise pollution.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Stuff you Should Know.

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<v Speaker 2>The Can I tell people what just happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>After going on fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Years coming up? Yeah, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>In April Jerry hit record and you went, Hey, everybody, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been having a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of trouble with my brain lately. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just Hey, I think you're doing great. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I told you. Thank you. I think you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>great too. I don't know if I told you, But

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<v Speaker 1>I had trouble remembering how to what six plus seven

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<v Speaker 1>added together to? Did I tell you that the other day?

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds familiar?

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<v Speaker 1>That really bothered me. Man, Yeah, and that's like my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite number, and it's like I just couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was putting my daughter to bed the other night

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<v Speaker 2>and as she was going to sleep, literally falling asleep, daddy,

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<v Speaker 2>what's four plus four?

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<v Speaker 1>Eight?

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<v Speaker 2>What's six plus two? It's also eight?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>She's learning math, and you know that first stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>learn is literally just that simple addition. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just funny to think about, like, wow, that's what's on

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<v Speaker 2>her mind right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But also she's learning acceptance too. It's unquestioning.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell people how you spelled this document that

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<v Speaker 2>you sent my way for this noise pollution episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Boy, you're just laying it all out there, aren't you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun because it looked like a heavy metal band.

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<v Speaker 2>It was n O I ze p O I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was p O l l U s h U

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<v Speaker 2>N Yeah, And looking at it on paper was like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's a good bad band.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah name it is like that's a that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>name for a made up band in a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Wild stallions, Yes, Bill and Ted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although that's tough to compete with, you know it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think we should, uh, we should give a

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<v Speaker 1>little CoA here. I think it's one impossible for you

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<v Speaker 1>and I not to turn into old men complaining about

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<v Speaker 1>like loud music and loud mufflers and stuff in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's gonna happen. I think everybody who knows us

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<v Speaker 1>and saw the title this one knew it was gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's just put it on the table now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's also funny you mentioned this because I

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<v Speaker 2>did mention noise pollution. I introduced that concept to my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter the other day and said, you know. She was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what's that And I said, well, it's as bad as

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<v Speaker 2>trash on the road, but it's noise that's doing it

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<v Speaker 2>and you should be aware of it. And she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh okay. And I guess it never occurred to me

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<v Speaker 2>that like loud noises for kids, unless it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>really bothers them, is just part of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, it definitely seems to become more bothersome the older

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<v Speaker 1>you get.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know why, but I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesize that it's because you grow to learn that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be that way, and you come to

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<v Speaker 1>really resent the things and the people who are making

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<v Speaker 1>it so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that's why people One reason people

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<v Speaker 2>retire to the country or something like that, if they've

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the city their whole life. M h. Just

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<v Speaker 2>a little more tranquil, perhaps even bucolic lifestyle. Yeah, quieter,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of science behind it. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, I don't want to hear those noises,

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<v Speaker 2>as you will see throughout this episode, it is it's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>For your health. Hey, speaking of retirement, have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>that documentary on the villages I have? It is bonkers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw it actually when I had COVID, I

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<v Speaker 2>went on a documentary binge and that was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it was like one of the most disturbing documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen, and I've seen like Dear Zachary, and

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<v Speaker 1>somehow it was like up there with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was good man that I mean, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give anything, but the one guy that was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of discos too. Sure, Yeah, that was It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny at first, but then that got really sad. Too, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of layers.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of it was incredibly sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I was highly recommended.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just bizarre man. And then I was watching the

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<v Speaker 1>credits and I saw Darren Aronofsky was an executive producer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, nothing suddenly clicked a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought a great idea for a movie would be

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<v Speaker 2>a setting like that. You couldn't call it that because

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<v Speaker 2>it's sure proprietary, but the town set it. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>setting just like that where they wake up one day

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<v Speaker 2>and there's been a murder and then, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle McLaughlin, it's kind of a twin peaksy thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the stranger from a strange land comes in to investigate

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<v Speaker 2>a murder in a very unlikely place and all the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of weirdos there. I think that would be a

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<v Speaker 2>cool movie, yeah, or TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, well, I mean that is twin Peaks basically, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could if you said it in a retirement

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<v Speaker 2>community in Florida, people wouldn't recognize.

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<v Speaker 1>You could just walk away, dust in your hands off,

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<v Speaker 1>like job well done.

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<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of things that have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just twin Peaks, sure, I know, just nobody

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<v Speaker 1>did it better than twin peaks, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed, all right, So noise pollution. I think the fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the podcast to me came right up front in

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<v Speaker 2>that I never thought of the fact that a decibel

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<v Speaker 2>was a tenth of a bull or a bell.

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<v Speaker 1>Which his name is DESI right there. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought of it either, because you never hear

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<v Speaker 1>of any other variation, and it's like one decibel, ten decibels,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred decibels, you know, and apparently a bowl or

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<v Speaker 1>a bell b e l is named after Alexander Graham

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<v Speaker 1>Bell too.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know that either.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why we why a decibel is used,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one tenth of a bell, is because a decibel,

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<v Speaker 1>a one tenth of a bell difference in sound is

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<v Speaker 1>the lowest, the smallest difference that humans can detect, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we trade in decibels here on the level.

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<v Speaker 2>And we trade in an algorithm when we talk decibels,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's one of those weird things where it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred decibels, is it twice as loud as

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<v Speaker 2>fifty decibels, it's spit into an equation that's actually one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand times as loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So like ten decibels. The difference between ten decibels

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty decibels is twenty decibels is ten times louder.

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<v Speaker 1>The difference between ten decibels and thirty decibels thirty decibels

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<v Speaker 1>is one hundred times louder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's long riz right, and zero dbs as we'll call them.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the threshold of human hearing period, and one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty decibels is about where you can start

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<v Speaker 2>to experience literal physical pain from a sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw between one hundred and twenty and one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it ranges like I mean, I've been to some

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<v Speaker 2>loud concerts and small venues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dinosaur Junior at Variety Theater was it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about to say, Dinosaur Junior. They're one

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<v Speaker 2>of the legendary loud bands.

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<v Speaker 1>It was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>It is super loud. But it's not like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember feeling pain, but I do remember feeling discomforted. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple of these where I was like, jeezu, this is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I like my music loud, but this is a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Much, dude. Yeah, Like I don't wear earplugs. I wore

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<v Speaker 1>earplugs in that, and I was like, I'm saving myself

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It was so loud, and I meant to

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<v Speaker 1>say Variety Playhouse, not Variety Theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because we played there before. We don't want to disrespect. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, you know they've but all of this to say,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless j Mascus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's great, but it was really loud.

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<v Speaker 2>What about this conversation that we're having. What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it depends a normal conversation something around sixty decibels.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw that. That's people standing about a meter

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<v Speaker 1>apart speaking without raising their voices. That's sixty decibels right there.

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<v Speaker 1>For a reference.

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<v Speaker 2>What about a car?

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<v Speaker 1>Cars are about ten times louder to ten hundred to

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand times louder than normal conversation, depending on the

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<v Speaker 1>car of the truck, between seventy and ninety decibels.

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<v Speaker 2>What about an airplane or cat siren?

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<v Speaker 1>So you would think, okay, a normal conversation is sixty decibels,

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<v Speaker 1>an airplane being one hundred and twenty decibels is twice

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<v Speaker 1>as loud. No, my friend, it's one hundred thousand. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand times louder. An airplane is one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand times louder than a normal conversation if it reaches

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty decibels.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, if you've ever been on a tarmac, like

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<v Speaker 2>a live tarmac and herd a plane kind of landing

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<v Speaker 2>or taking off, you that's just some loud stuff. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why they wear those cans on their ears.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they and they definitely should because we're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that there's all sorts of hearing loss besides the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional ones that you can pick up on a regular

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<v Speaker 1>hearing test. There's something called hidden hearing loss that we're

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<v Speaker 1>just starting to get our eyes or mind around where

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<v Speaker 1>the structure of your hearing apparatus in your ear, the

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<v Speaker 1>little cilia that's almost like a venus flytrap trigger hair,

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<v Speaker 1>but for sound instead, like those things can be intact,

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<v Speaker 1>but the neurons that form the chain between your ear

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<v Speaker 1>and your brain can be permanently damaged, so that the

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<v Speaker 1>sound that gets to your brain is garbled or are

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<v Speaker 1>partially missing. And that's a huge thing that can happen

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<v Speaker 1>at much lower intensity than we understood before. And speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of intensity, I think we should say real quick a

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<v Speaker 1>decibel to us humans we basically talk in decibels as

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<v Speaker 1>like a measure of volume, because that's what it appears

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<v Speaker 1>to like us, like an increase in decibels is an

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<v Speaker 1>increase in the volume of the sound. But really what

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<v Speaker 1>a decibel is measuring is the intensity of the disturbance

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<v Speaker 1>of an air of the air that something has made.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're really close to that disturbance, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a very intense exposure to your ear. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're further away, it's going to be a much less

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<v Speaker 1>intense intense exposure because it kind of dissipates over distances.

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<v Speaker 1>But to you, it's just registering is a difference in volume,

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<v Speaker 1>where really it's a difference in the intensity of the

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<v Speaker 1>wave that's being produced that's traveling through the air.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, And uh, this is all sound, Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not noise. Noise is different. Noise is what we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about mainly, and noise is classified as unwanted sound and.

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<v Speaker 1>That simple enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that can vary depending on who you are. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the sound of your significant other's voice after

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<v Speaker 2>forty years may be noise to you asking for some tea.

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<v Speaker 2>The sound of a Harley Davidson motorcycle being rebbed up

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<v Speaker 2>in front of your house might be noise. Or those

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<v Speaker 2>those blowers that used to hate and how they give

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<v Speaker 2>you love and use.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't love it, and I went battery powered,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still even while I'm using, I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible person.

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<v Speaker 2>But you get it done quickly, probably right, so quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So quick. I'm like mincing and prancing, just getting a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of kinds of different noise sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>Like let's say you work in a in a machine

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<v Speaker 2>shop or something and you use a machine, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>sound the machine makes is like it's not necessary, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a byproduct. It's a result of the machine working correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like, well, let's just make this thing loud.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, I'm sorry, a jackammer is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be loud because that's just the way it goes. You

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<v Speaker 2>can our jackammer episode is fantastic. So that sound isn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily noise, but the intensity and repetition of that sound

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<v Speaker 2>makes it becomes noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's an unwanted intensity, or it can just

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<v Speaker 1>the sound existing itself, like you're saying, like a leaf

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<v Speaker 1>blower just an unwanted existence of sound. So either way,

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<v Speaker 1>the operative thing is it's unwanted sound. That's the key, right, Yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 2>This is another cool fact of the episode, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>is that they think that as late as through the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties and into nineteen fifty, natural sounds were still

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<v Speaker 2>the dominant sounds that you heard, and then things really changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's a there's a big qualifier that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of researchers make that and not everybody does, But

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<v Speaker 1>that noise is by definition human caused, right, like either

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<v Speaker 1>we're yelling or whatever, or one of the machines that

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<v Speaker 1>we've created is making noise. But that you wouldn't say,

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<v Speaker 1>like the sound of that waterfall is noise, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>don't think of like natural sounds typically as noise. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just sounds. And as we'll see, it's probably because we

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<v Speaker 1>have been living, like our species has been living around

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<v Speaker 1>those sounds and has definitively excluded them as threatening, so

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<v Speaker 1>that they're they don't they don't produce like an irritation

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<v Speaker 1>in us. They just are sound, almost regardless of how

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<v Speaker 1>intense they.

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<v Speaker 2>Are, right, And that and again that irritation is subjective

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<v Speaker 2>because that rock concert that I enjoy. Someone else might

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<v Speaker 2>call that noise that that Space Shuttle launch that is

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<v Speaker 2>super loudud might be noise to some people, but to others,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's the same sound, but they they don't

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<v Speaker 2>think of it as noise because they're excited and exhilarated

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment to see and hear that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, you know, the other night, the inspiration for

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<v Speaker 1>Crew came back on the Dragon capsule. Did you watch that?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Did you see it live?

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't see it because they splashed down in the Atlantic,

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<v Speaker 1>but we heard the sonic boom it made when it

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<v Speaker 1>came back into the atmosphere over Florida. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>stounding that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that doasonic boom? No? I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's really good. It starts off like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not good. This is like a terrible corporate ad,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it really starts to find its feet. It's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy how it evolves over like just the first couple episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good. It's definitely worth seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>What other kinds of noise you got? Industrial noise, which

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<v Speaker 2>that's classified as kind of from the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>p process all the way to the end of any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of industrial process, and that's basically called continuous noise

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, raw materials all the way to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the end disposal of whatever byproducts can usually cause

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of racket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So like you know, like like a generator humming

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, there's not a lot of variation

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<v Speaker 1>and intensity. It's basically this hum or steam being released,

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<v Speaker 1>or even like a rhythmic like a like something being

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<v Speaker 1>like hammered, No, not hammered. That's a different that's called

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<v Speaker 1>the impulsive noise, but just something that doesn't really vary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of a monotonous sound. That's that's this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a subcategory called continuous sound. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>so happens that most industrial processes are continuous in nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, whereas a train going by your house, or a

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<v Speaker 2>plane flying or a car going by or a siren

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<v Speaker 2>is intermittent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then also you could probably say, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you held the trigger down on a backpack leaf blower,

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<v Speaker 1>which again is the worst thing that anyone's ever invented,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you held it down, that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>continuous sound for the whole time it was going. But

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<v Speaker 1>no one does that ever, they just rev in this

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<v Speaker 1>arrhythmic pattern that your brain is just giving its all

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<v Speaker 1>to try to try to find a pattern in. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you get worn out and irritated so quickly because

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<v Speaker 1>of those things, because they don't follow rhyme a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And in conjunction with that, it's an intermittent sound, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I can tell, one of the worst sounds

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<v Speaker 1>for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And then you've also got community noise, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just people noise. I think the leaf blowers are thrown

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<v Speaker 2>into that lawnmowers, you know, if you got a festival

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<v Speaker 2>in your neighborhood, or fireworks on the Fourth of July,

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<v Speaker 2>or people playing their music in their cards or their houses.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all just sort of people generated community sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap. So those are basically the three categories that I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Industrial trafficking, community.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we take a break?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We'll be right back. I gotta go quiet

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<v Speaker 2>down that racket outside. I'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Do you finished shaking your fist at those teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>on your lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky because we don't have loud. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>one neighbor on one side, and our neighbor beside us

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty quiet, but I do live near and I've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it before, a pretty main road and you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get used to it. But I also yearn

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to be a few blocks in. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't pick up your house and move it. So

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<v Speaker 2>what are you gonna do? You get used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can, but it's really expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, that is true. You can move a house sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't we do an episode on that once?

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<v Speaker 2>How to Move a House?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't know if we did one just

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<v Speaker 2>on that. It may have been like historic districts or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that episode we couldn't think of

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<v Speaker 2>the other day was crumple Zones.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, so we did do a whole episode on

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<v Speaker 1>crumple zones.

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<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember that being an interesting episode though.

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<v Speaker 2>It was totally interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well that's the stuff you should know, way, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Chunk it is? Indeed, should we talk about hearing damage?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, like I was saying, there's that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>new type of hearing damage that we're wrapping our minds

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<v Speaker 1>around that is like the death of the neurons that

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to transmit the electrical impulse to the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>And so we don't hear very well. Our communication is garbled.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet you can pass a traditional hearing test no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But other research is really starting to unfold like less

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<v Speaker 1>predictable ways that noise and noise pollution actually affects our health.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like our entire system is negatively affected by

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<v Speaker 1>noise and noise exposure.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and it basically at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole process is triggering the same exact thing that triggers

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<v Speaker 2>your fight or flight response, Like you're gonna have the

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<v Speaker 2>same reaction to you know, if you hear a siren

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<v Speaker 2>go by, the same thing is happening in your as

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<v Speaker 2>far as your brain knows. Then what happens if like

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<v Speaker 2>a bear walks up to you and roars right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, like our hearing is always on and it's

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<v Speaker 1>always on the lookout for a potential threat, And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways that a potential threat can give itself

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<v Speaker 1>away is by making a sound. Right. It was, like

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying earlier, like we've been around waterfalls and

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<v Speaker 1>the sound of waves in our evolutionary history for so

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<v Speaker 1>long that basically it seems like when you're born, you

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<v Speaker 1>come equipped with this. Don't worry about that sound. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>you can be soothed by it. It's not something that

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<v Speaker 1>should stimulate your fighter flight response. But we've lived around

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<v Speaker 1>industrial machinery and the sound of a text message or

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<v Speaker 1>a leaf blower, the stupid leaf blowers for such a

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<v Speaker 1>little amount of our evolutionary history that our minds are

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<v Speaker 1>not at all attuned to those things, or we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>kind of adopted this idea that a leaf blower is

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<v Speaker 1>non threatening and so it stimulates the fighter flight response

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<v Speaker 1>and is when we hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So you're going to hear that sound you're amigdalah,

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<v Speaker 2>which we've talked about plenty, contributes to emotional processing, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to send that same distress signal to the hypothalamus.

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<v Speaker 2>And again that gets if you are in a fight

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<v Speaker 2>or flight response, which is why you probably want to

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<v Speaker 2>run screaming if you hear too many sirens you're here

0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.040
<v Speaker 2>too many leaf blowers, sure, and then that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>signal your adrenal glands to get your adrenaline going. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe cortisol gets going as well. Yes, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>literally mimicking fight or flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so they figured out that like people who

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<v Speaker 1>are continuously chronically exposed to sound, like say people who

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<v Speaker 1>live like really close to an airport, are really close

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<v Speaker 1>to the subway tracks, or people who work in a

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<v Speaker 1>really noisy factory, they have all sorts of crazy random

0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:33.080
<v Speaker 1>health problems, Like their kids sometimes have low birth weight. Obviously,

0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:39.760
<v Speaker 1>they can develop tonitis, heart disease, obesity, diabetes, Their children

0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:44.440
<v Speaker 1>who are exposed to chronic noise can have cognitive impairments,

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 1>high blood pressure, like all sorts of crazy stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you think, well, okay, that's like, that's terrible anybody

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:54.919
<v Speaker 1>who has to live near noise or work near noise,

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<v Speaker 1>like we should do something about that. But it's even

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<v Speaker 1>worse than that, Like, noise pollution is even more in

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<v Speaker 1>citia than that because you don't have to be chronically

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to it. You don't have to live in a

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<v Speaker 1>place where you're like, this is an objectively noisy place

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<v Speaker 1>that I live or work in to still suffer from

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<v Speaker 1>the effects of noise pollution.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it can affect you when you're sleep because,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, your ears are always on. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like you go to sleep and the ear say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take a nice break. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>a fantastic evolutionary adaptation. Actually, yeah, well actually it would

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<v Speaker 2>be terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It would these days. It wouldn't be days. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be great the Mountain, the Mountain, Lion Sabertooth Tiger days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd be nice if there was a switch and

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<v Speaker 2>you could kind of control that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it'd be so nice. I think the switch is

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<v Speaker 1>the white noise wave machine. Is that switch?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I've gotten addicted to such that I have

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<v Speaker 2>to travel with them now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everywhere I go I've heard that. Yeah. Basically, once

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<v Speaker 1>you start, you can't go back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like it, though, I do. Brown noise is

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<v Speaker 2>my drug of choice.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds so gross, though brown.

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<v Speaker 2>I make a brown noise every morning, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I was not expecting Dangerfield to make an appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's what you meant, right, poop or no?

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean I guess anytime I hear brown, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's poop.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you think of that or you think of

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<v Speaker 2>ween the band.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they have a brown song or album?

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<v Speaker 2>They talk about the brown thing, the brown sound and

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 2>brown is just sort of their color and how they

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<v Speaker 2>used to talk about sound. And I've heard other groups

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<v Speaker 2>talk about brown sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does brown sound sound like?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, brown noise, you know if white noises, brown noises.

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<v Speaker 1>Okays middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's sort of a lower lower end. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you actually play it through a speaker, like if you

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>put it on your phone and play it through a

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 2>little bluetooth, you can get some good bass and it

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 2>just it really works wonders for me, I.

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Should try brown noise or even white noise. I've been

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>using chrome noise where it's like and it's really not

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<v Speaker 1>helping me sleep at all. You like?

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<v Speaker 2>You like I have the sound of an early Internet

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>connection being made of a constant. Did they ever name that?

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 2>They should have named that be great.

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<v Speaker 1>To Yeah, I don't know.

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I just call it whatever it was.

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>They called it the tickety wichet, right.

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Interrupted sleep though, that's that's the big problem, or one

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 2>of the big problems, because your ears are always on.

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 2>If you have interrupted sleep or poor sleep overall, you're

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna be tired. Obviously, your creativity, your memory can get impaired.

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Your creativity is gonna be low. You're gonna have impaired judgment,

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 2>your psychomotor skills might be impacted. You might have more headaches.

0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 2>They've done studies. If you live near airports and stuff

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 2>like that, or you know, next to like a rail yard,

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:51.959
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have more headaches, you might take more sleeping

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>pills as a result, you might be more prone to

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>minor accidents, and you are going to be more prone

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to seek psychiatric treatment in your life. They like studies

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 2>have shown this.

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a study of people living near European airports.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 1>They found a ten decibel increase in aircraft noise was

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>associated with a twenty eight percent increase in anxiety medication,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and that people were also likelier to have like twenty

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 1>five percent more likely to have symptoms of depression. So again,

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>all this is just from like having not good sleep,

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>which is bad enough, but apparently Chuck it even gets

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 1>worse because even if your sleep isn't disturbed where you're

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>waking up and not getting sleep because.

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Of noise, right, like you get used to it sort of.

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, the noise is still affecting you while you're

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>sleeping because again, your ear never turns off. It's always

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>on the listen out for some sort of threat creeping

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>up on you. And so if you're exposed to noise

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.679
<v Speaker 1>while you're sleeping, it still has that stress effect on you.

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And what they've figured out is that one of the

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 1>problems of just being chronically stressed through something like noise

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and I think stress in general, is that it affects

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it's called the end of thelium, which is

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the lining of your blood vessels, and they respond to

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>chemicals that tell them to constrict to relax, and they

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>get constricted when they get stressed, when they're exposed to stress,

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>like cortisol or something like that comes along and says constrict.

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And when they do that, you get high blood pressure,

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:29.439
<v Speaker 1>you can end up with heart disease, you can end

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>up suffering from heart attacks. And what's insane is they

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 1>figured out that after one night of being exposed while

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you're sleeping to something like train sounds, your endothelium starts suffering,

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't function as well after just one night

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of that.

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like, isn't the idea that you can have no

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>other sort of poor health markers and it can actually

0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 2>be brought on because of this noise?

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.919
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, while you're sleeping you're still getting sleep, but

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it's still happening to you while you're sleeping. And not

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>only like high blood pressure or like a heart attack

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>or something like that coming down the road, but also

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like diabetes, obesity. There's a lot of things that we're

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 1>figuring out are tied to the lining of the blood

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>vessels and whether they're healthy or not. It's a huge

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>predictor of a whole range of diseases. And when you

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>hear noise, that's your stressors trigger your endothelium to constrict,

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and that is a really bad thing.

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>It is here in the United States. We kind of

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 2>started studying the stuff in earnest in the seventies. That

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 2>was when pollution was a big deal just all around

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 2>in the United States, and we started to say things like, hey,

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe you shouldn't just have a family picnic and then

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 2>just pick up your blanket and dump all the trash

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 2>on the ground like they did on that episode of

0:27:58.200 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Mad Men.

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 1>And Anchor Man when they're all eating McDonald's and they

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>throw it on the ground.

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I saw a guy throw a fully like McDonald's thing

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 2>out the window the other day and smashed on the sidewalk.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. And I was just like, who who

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 2>does that? Still?

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the problem is we're at a place in

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.239
<v Speaker 1>our country's history where if you confront people like that,

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a chance you're going to get shot for confronting

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>someone like that. But I don't confront But that's like,

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that is the kind of behavior you should, under normal circumstances,

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>non shooting circumstances, feel perfectly fine confronting somebody about and

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>being like what is wrong with you? Like, we're so

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>far beyond that, Like everyone knows you shouldn't do that.

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>It's just, Oh, it drove me insane.

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I got to a good fight with him in my brain.

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I know, Like what, Like, where's the solution, where's

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the answer?

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man. I think the zen path is

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you go pick up that McDonald's cup and throw it

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>away totally and and say a prayer for that person

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>good luck. So yeah, New York is where they started

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 2>studying this stuff in the seventies because it was kind

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of wrapped up, like I said, folded into larger pollution studies.

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, we might as well talk about noise pollution.

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>New York is a place to do it, and they

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>did there were a couple of studies in the nineteen

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>seventies about subway noise that really sort of gave put

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing on some terra firma as far as

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the health effects and learning effects. In the case of

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 2>kids at PS ninety eight Manhattan, it was very close

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>to the train tracks there, the subway train tracks, like

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>real close, yeah, like two hundred and twenty feet away.

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>And they found and this is pretty startling, they found

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>that the kids that were closest to the train tracks

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>were eleven months behind their classmates that were on the

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:49.479
<v Speaker 2>other side of the school.

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on like not in another school, just on the

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>other side of the school.

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, almost a full well, I mean that is basically

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a full school year, yeah, because you know, with summers

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 2>off and stuff, that's an academic year plus that they

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 2>were behind. And they installed acoustic tiles in the classroom

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and some dampening devices, and they did a follow up

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>study and the gap had closed basically, So I mean

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 2>there's proof right there, like your kids are not learning

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>as well if they're near that subway noise.

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>There's another kind of landmark study in the seventies in

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>New York that established the concept of noise pollution at

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a place called the Bridges apartment high rise, or a

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>cluster of them in Manhattan that I believe ninety five

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe drives under or really really close, and the traffic

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>noise is so bad that even as high up as

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the eighth floor, the traffic sound is about the level

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>of a vacuum cleaner. And like just sitting in your apartment,

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>you have to raise your voice to be heard, which

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just the stress of that I can't imagine.

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Like that's an inhabitable, uninhabitable place. I believe people are

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>still living there as well. But this study found that

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>children living there were far behind at reading comprehension, at

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 1>listening comprehension, and just weren't learning as quickly as other

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>kids their age who did not live in the Bridges.

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>So those two studies together from New York kind of

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>established this idea like, Okay, there's a real problem with

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>noise pollution, and then it just went away for many,

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>many years until about twenty eleven when the who there

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of other studies a lot of the

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>other ones that we've referenced so far came out around

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten twenty eleven twenty thirteen. I'm not sure what

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>exactly kicked it off, but there was a big spade

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of them. But then the WHO released a really big report.

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Not that Who, the band, the World Health Organization.

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 2>They're another loud band actually, and.

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they felt terribly guilty about causing hearing loss in

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>their their fans, so they launched this study of basically

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>all of Western Europe. They looked at i think something

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>like five hundred different studies and did a meta analysis

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of them to calculate what's called the disability adjusted life

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>years or dailies that were lost in Europe every year

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to noise pollution.

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the idea of a daily is they basically say,

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like the healthy years of your life that end

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>up being lost to this human made noise that you're

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>living with. Right, And it's kind of a sort of

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>an esoteric way to think about it, but once you

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 2>wrap your head around it, it makes a little bit more sense.

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But they found that at least one million healthy years

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 2>of life are lost every single year only just in

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Europe due to noise pollution. A million healthy years of

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>people's lives right annually.

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that means because of all of the disease

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.959
<v Speaker 1>burden that noise pollution produces in humans. That that's how

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>much of our healthy lifespan is shaved off every year collectively,

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>or how much Europe's is. And they did a follow

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>up study in twenty eighteen, Chuck, and found that actually, no,

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>we got it wrong. It's one point eight million dailies

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>are lost in Western Europe alone each year. So they

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>definitely established through these couple of who studies, like, noise

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.719
<v Speaker 1>pollution is still a thing and we should probably do

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>something about it. And there was another study that was

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>released this past year that said, yes, dailies are significant,

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>but we may have found a link that shows that

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>noise pollution can actually straight up kill you under some

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>circumstances potentially.

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And this one was this is pretty startling because

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 2>they looked at heart well not necessarily a heart attack,

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>but nighttime deaths. No, I guess it was heart attack, yes,

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 2>but if you die overnight, die in your sleep quote

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 2>unquote from heart attacks and the link to commercial aircraft

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>flying over your house. And I guess they had a

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 2>way to sort of cancel out all the other factors.

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>And they got down to the nitty gritty that three

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 2>percent of all night time deaths from heart attacks can

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>be attributed to the sound of aircraft flying overhead while

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 2>you're sleeping.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's just like that was it. That was the

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>last stress response that your body could handle, and you

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>had a heart attack and died from that sound. They said, like, Okay,

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>we found a definite correlation, but if there is causation here,

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 1>then we can talk up about three percent of those.

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>That's astounding.

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.399
<v Speaker 2>It is astounding. We're going to take a break. That's

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 2>the human grossness, and we'll talk about the awful things

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>that we're doing to our animal friends and nature right

0:34:53.280 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 2>after this. All right, We talked about a lot of

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>studies that basically all added up to noise pollution very

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 2>bad for human beings, like literally bad for their health.

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.919
<v Speaker 2>And I know we've talked about a few of these

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>before over the years, especially when it comes to whales,

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>but all manner of Mother nature are impacted by this noise.

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 2>They did a study in the early two thousands about

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 2>stress hormones.

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>For what kind of whales were they right whales.

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Right whales in the Bay of Fundy, And they saw,

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and this is remarkable, they saw a really weird unexplained

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>declined in the stress hormone concentrations that went away and

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 2>then came back up again, and they eventually realized it

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>was a halt in the shipping in the bay after

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven happened.

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because shipping is probably humans' noisiest marine endeavor that

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>we do all the time constantly. And the idea of

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a break in that having being connected to a huge

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>decline in stress hormones in whale poop, that's significant. But

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 1>it was an accidental discovery, and I think it led

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>other people to start studying stuff like that, like the

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>effects of noise on wildlife. And there was this I

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.439
<v Speaker 1>think you University of Idaho. I'm sorry if it's Idaho state,

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>please don't be mad. I think it's Idaho, okay, a

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 1>study from twenty twelve where researchers set up like what

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>they called a phantom road, which is basically they have

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>fixed a line of loudspeakers to some trees out in

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>the wilderness that stretched about a half a mile in length,

0:36:55.800 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and they just played road and traffic noise out like

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>city stuff, just like the kind of stuff that possibly

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.399
<v Speaker 1>a remote road through the wilderness would sound like. Because

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>They recorded it in Glacier National Park on a road there,

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.240
<v Speaker 1>and just from that, just from like this rural Glacier

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>National Park road noise, something like more than a quarter

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>of all the birds in the area just left. They

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.359
<v Speaker 1>were like, we're moving. Yeah, we're going to Canada. So'd

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the United States.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think I definitely noticed, and I

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>heard other people talk about in like April of last

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 2>year when things really slowed down commuter and traffic wise

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>due to the pandemic. And I don't think it was

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:47.439
<v Speaker 2>just our imaginations, but there were there was a lot

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>more bird activity going on, and I remember, I think

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I remember us even talking about it, or maybe it

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 2>was just quieter for us, so we noticed the more

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>or maybe a combination of both, but there was a difference.

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 2>And when you know, when shipping stops after nine to

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 2>eleven or when traffic stops, nature says, oh, well the

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 2>human a holes are gone. Now we can start behaving

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>normally again.

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like things are back to normal. And that's I mean,

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>that's just on land. Also, they found that Idaho study

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>found that the birds that stuck around lost a bunch

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of weight, which they would have needed to migrate, so

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe they couldn't leave even if they wanted to. But

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>that was the land study. There's been other studies on land,

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like the we're doing a lot of

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 1>damage to marine ecosystems as well, like probably even more

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>because sound waves travel in water a lot better than light,

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>which means that most of the animals that live in

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the water have really sensitive hearing. That's what they've evolved

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 1>to use to communicate and listen out for, right, So

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>when we make noise, it's really problematic in marine ecosystems.

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we make a lot of noise. I mean

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that shipping activity we talked about is super disruptive to

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>anything underwater. When they search for mineral deposits on the

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>seafloor or under the sea floor, they use these seismic

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>air guns that are you can hear those things like

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>a fish can hear that a thousands of miles away.

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Very disruptive. Sonar. I know we talked about sonar in

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.959
<v Speaker 2>an episode years ago and how that affected marine life.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what it was.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Did we do an entire episode on the time they

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>blew up the beach to whale? Like what to do

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 1>with the beach whale.

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, but they basically kind of say now, like they

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 2>think the reasons whales beach themselves is because of these

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.919
<v Speaker 2>noises and sonar is a big culprit.

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, Like it just drives them out of the water,

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>which sounds bonkers. But if you ever think about how

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>humans sometimes jump from tall buildings rather than being burned

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>by the intensity of a fire, I think it's virtually

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the same principle. Sure, so we are we have become

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>aware of just how much noise pollution affects not just us,

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>but the environment as well. Like it is a form

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>of pollution, and it seems like, you know, it started

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.399
<v Speaker 1>to accumulate in the last few years, but really we've

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>known for a good fifty years that noise pollution is

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>really bad for everybody, and yet we've done almost nothing

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. But we had the start, Chuck, We started

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>out like we were going to like almost immediately when

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>we realized how bad noise pollution was. In the seventies,

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>we started to do something about it, and the federal

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>government passed like three and actually I saw a fourth

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>one huge acts that had to do with basically controlling

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>noise pollution.

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, either controlling noise pollution for people in general, or

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>through OSHA, making sure people were working in safe conditions,

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>or at least had you know, the earcns and things

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 2>they needed to work safely. And it was, like you said,

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>it was headed in the right direction. We knew it

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 2>was bad, and we were trying to stop it. And

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>then the Reagan administration came along and said, nuts to that,

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 2>that's federal regulation. Let's just leave it to the states.

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Because you ask any governor of any state and they'll

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>tell you their citizens know to do the right thing,

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and they'll do that right thing. And so we'll just

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 2>leave it up to the states and let them they

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 2>volunteer to phase itself out. The Office of Noise and

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Abatement Control on paper still exists, but Congress said, you know,

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 2>let's just not fund them anymore, and let's keep these

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>laws on the books, but really not worry about it

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>too much because the states will take care of it, right,

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>because states always do the right thing.

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:34.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the states, of course did absolutely nothing, and

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>it's partially because they can't do a lot about it.

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>A lot of noise is really best understood, studied, and

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.279
<v Speaker 1>regulated by the federal government. Like what, like Georgia has

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of money reserved to study the effects of

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>noise on humans. Like, no, that's totally a federal kind

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of thing to do, you know, And that's what some

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 1>of those seventies acts set up, like that Office of

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Noise Abatement and Control or Noise Controlling the Baby, Like

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.359
<v Speaker 1>its purpose was to study that kind of stuff. That's

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>not what states do. So the states have, well not

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the states, but usually more municipalities and counties have. They

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>have taken steps to kind of mitigate sound pollution, Like

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>there's your noise pollution. There's usually regulations on how early

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 1>or late a landscaping crew can work within the city limits,

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 1>or some of them say like you can't boom your

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 1>stereo or you're not allowed to have that broken glass

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.919
<v Speaker 1>muffler on your Harley. Like there's some stuff like that.

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>But then like if you live kind of under a

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>flight path, if your town wanted to say, you know what,

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you can't fly over our town and wake everybody up

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>between you know, twelve at night and seven in the morning,

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 1>you can't fly an airplane over it. The airplanes would

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.400
<v Speaker 1>just be like like I didn't hear you, Sorry, I

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 1>was listening to the FEDS who say you can't make

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 1>laws like that.

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I get the feeling with municipalities.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 2>It is more like complaints from neighbors kind of noise

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 2>or the lawn cruise in construction like you were saying,

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 2>unless like stuff with big teeth recently. Weird reason I

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 2>won't get into, but I was looking up noise ordinances

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and Athens, Georgia, and they're kind of funny when you

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 2>look at these noise ordinances. It's like it literally said,

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 2>like you know, walking down the sidewalk yelling at one another,

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>talking about basically drunk kids, you know, like the French

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>quarter kind of thing. It said, you know, this includes

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:34.400
<v Speaker 2>hooting and hollering, and it was something about being able

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>to hear you from like three hundred feet away, but

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 2>or noise from your apartment. But it's you know, it's

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>like good luck with that. Like you can call the

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>cops on someone maybe, yeah, but there's no teeth or

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 2>or or what do you call it when you or

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>enforcement kind of with a lot of this stuff, aside

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>from singling out people when it happens in the moment

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>and you may get a cop come by and say,

0:43:58.640 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>turn it down.

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>But even if if there's a will to do something,

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it depends on if it's like rail traffic or air traffic.

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Like the federal the federal government ties local towns and

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>counties hands like they can't do anything about it, and

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>there's as a result, there's a lot of noise pollution

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that people can't do anything about. There's a there's a

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 1>town in Canada. I can't remember the name of it,

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>but it is. It's got rail like a rail system

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 1>that goes through it, and it doesn't have like alarms

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>or like the arms that come down. So trains have

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 1>to honk their horns at least three times as they

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 1>cross through this town. And there's a bunch of different crossings,

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and they calculated that train horns blair twelve hundred times

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a day in this little tiny town. And like obviously

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody's going nuts, but they can't do anything about it

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>because the federal government of Canada is in charge of

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.760
<v Speaker 1>regulating rail travel like every other developed or industrialized country.

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even if it's something like Osha and like

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you work in a loud factory and they're trying to

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 2>regulate that, they say that a they don't cover all

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 2>industries they should cover, and when they do, it's very

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>inconsistently applied. And even when they do apply it inconsistently,

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 2>they say that these limits aren't even low enough to

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 2>protect all the workers anyway from hearing loss. It said,

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 2>OSHA regulations allow workers to be exposed to ninety five

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>decibels for four hours a day, five days a week

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>for your entire forty year career. And that's like, you're

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 2>going to suffer from hearing loss if that's the case.

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like holding a leaf blower right next to

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:43.839
<v Speaker 1>you for four hours a day, five days a week

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>for forty years. Like of course you're yeah to lose

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.240
<v Speaker 1>your hearing. Like that's crazy.

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, and then factor in the other health effects that

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 2>no one ever talks about that we mentioned in the

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>whole first half of this thing, and you have an

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>unhealthy population if you're stuck in one of those places.

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we can sit here and cavetch all day,

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 1>which we would love to do. But there are solutions

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.240
<v Speaker 1>to this. But I want to point out one more time,

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:11.839
<v Speaker 1>all these solutions are zero thanks to the Reagan administration. Instead,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>there's some simple stuff you can do to help us humans,

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>Like you can change aircraft routes, you can build barriers

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>along roadways and railways. You can even green it up,

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 1>like they found that if you use shrubbery and trees

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.839
<v Speaker 1>mixed together so that they basically produce a fence and

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you plant them close to the road or close to

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the railway rather than close to the place that you're

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>trying to protect, they do pretty good at reducing the

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 1>decibels of the sound the noise pollution coming from the traffic.

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>That's some easy stuff you can do. And then on

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the user end, on the individual's end, there's all sorts

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>of like acoustic insulation and paneling you can add to

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 1>your house to make it a little more soundproof and quieter.

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>What about this mufflers.

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Chuck car mufflers.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so apparently the ones that make the sound or

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>not not they're not good.

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that they could, they could change that.

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 2>The EPA could get involved and say, you know what,

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you can't have those kind of mufflers anymore.

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Thank god if they did.

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 2>As far as the shipping go, I know, it's always

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>like a Honda Civic or something that's like tricked out,

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 2>like it's some kind of race car as far as

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the water goes in the shipping stuff like that. Those

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.800
<v Speaker 2>big ships. They found that if they separate the ship's

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 2>engine from the hull, they are quieter, much quieter, And

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 2>they even found that there is I think there's a

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 2>seventy five percent reduction in acoustic energy six to eight decibels,

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 2>which is significant. And they also found that it is

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.359
<v Speaker 2>less fuel efficient. And if they like retrofitted or kind

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 2>of changed the way they built these ships, I don't

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 2>know if you can. Well, I guess you can retrofit someone.

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, the propellers are what's making them less fuel efficient,

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 1>so you can ease not easily, but you can take

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:58.360
<v Speaker 1>off the old propellers and put on new ones.

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, But it cast a lot of money up front,

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>like they will save in the long run. And I

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>think is it pronounced Maersk, the big shipping company. Yeah,

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.800
<v Speaker 2>they spend one hundred million bucks to do just eleven

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>of its ships, So that gives you the idea of

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 2>how much it costs. There may be see some efficiencies

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>if they did more or something, but it's not cheap.

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 2>And they have seven hundred and forty ships. They've done eleven, so.

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I did see that is actually a very small

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 1>fraction of all of the ships involved in shipping that

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>are responsible for the vast majority of the noise. So

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>if you did just focus on the worst offenders, it

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.320
<v Speaker 1>would have a significant impact.

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>There's also a huge amount of noise, apparently underwater noise

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that comes from offshore wind farms because of the pile

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 1>driver that is moved by up and down by the

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>blades to help produce the electricity to move the turbine.

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right.

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:56.799
<v Speaker 1>And they found that if you just put a perforated

0:48:56.880 --> 0:49:00.080
<v Speaker 1>pipe around the pile driver, the pile driver's going to

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 1>produce bubbles and those bubbles will dissipate the noise. Almost

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>all the noise I think like ninety five percent of

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the noise coming from those offshore wind farms. That's a

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>really simple, easy solution.

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Just do it people.

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's one other thing that I hadn't thought about,

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<v Speaker 1>but I saw a couple places, and it really makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the noise pollution we're contributing to marine ecosystems

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<v Speaker 1>in particular is just such low hanging fruit that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason we shouldn't do this. There's some really easy

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we can do, Like even re routing shipping lanes

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<v Speaker 1>is one thing we can do, and that by doing

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<v Speaker 1>that it will actually stabilize marine ecosystems and marine life

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<v Speaker 1>so that it will buy us a little time while

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<v Speaker 1>we're figuring out much trickier stuff like ocean acidification and

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<v Speaker 1>things that are also threats to it. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>just removing noise pollution would really go a long way

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<v Speaker 1>toward extending the I guess the health and vitality of

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<v Speaker 1>the oceans while they're you know, while we're combating climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Let's get all these things going. Our

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<v Speaker 2>health is suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the mufflers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just annoyance and health.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, since Chuck said that's just annoyance, of course, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>that means it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's pretty short and sweet. I just love it

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<v Speaker 2>when we get an answer about something. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>might have known this at some point, but we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about shrinking as humans. And this is from Steve in Roscoe, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, I've been a longtime listener, never had a

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<v Speaker 2>reason to reach out, but you hit my air of expertise.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a physical therapist, and while listening to the episode

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<v Speaker 2>about crash testing, you ask why do we shrink when

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<v Speaker 2>we get older. What happens is we age, guys, is

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<v Speaker 2>the enter vertebral disks in our back loose hydration, and

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<v Speaker 2>as a result, we shrink. There are six discs in

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<v Speaker 2>the cervical spine, twelve discs in the thoracic spine, and

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<v Speaker 2>five discs in the lambar. If each disc were to

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<v Speaker 2>lose a minimum one sixteenth of an inch in height,

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<v Speaker 2>that adds up pretty quickly and you can easily lose

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<v Speaker 2>an inch plus in your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing to consider as we age, as our

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 2>muscles and tissues get tighter, pulls us into positions of

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<v Speaker 2>poor posture. That's right, and this restricts our ability to

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<v Speaker 2>stand up straight. You combine all these things together and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, Josh isn't going to hit his

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<v Speaker 2>goal height of six feet.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to stay on my tippy toes now.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for all the good work. I hope it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>step on the toes of a future short stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we just did it. Steve, that's Steve Marima or

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<v Speaker 2>Merima from Roscoe, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a lot, Steve. That was a good email. We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that big time. And if you haven't stumbled upon

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<v Speaker 1>it yet, you should check out our episode on Circopania.

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<v Speaker 1>It is old, but it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If you have any ethysical therapy needs in Illinois,

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<v Speaker 2>give Steve a call. Sounds good guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, head to beautiful Roscoe, Illinois. Come on, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be like Steve from Roscoe and give us

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<v Speaker 1>some more info that we were asking for. We love

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. You can send it to us

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