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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have so many

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Speaker 1: stories to cover today, some heavier ones that we didn't

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Speaker 1: have with my mom on yesterday's episode because she might

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Speaker 1: not be able to handle some of this content if

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Speaker 1: All right, our first as we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the mass murder suicide in New York City that happened

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Speaker 1: this week and what was said in his suicide note.

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Speaker 1: Pro wrestler Hulk Cogan is dead. We have an update

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Speaker 1: on celebrity chef Anne Burrell. A few summertime freak accidents,

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Speaker 1: including a child that plummeted to their death off of

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Speaker 1: off at a fair ride. Also have a terrible story

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Speaker 1: evolving a child dying in a hot car at the

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Speaker 1: hands of people who were supposed to be removing him

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Speaker 1: from danger. All that and more on today's episode. God,

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Speaker 1: this New York City shooting was really was really scary,

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Speaker 1: especially the area where it was happening.

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Speaker 2: So Monday afternoon, this crazy event started going down in

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Speaker 2: midtown Manhattan. There was this huge police response to the

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Speaker 2: building that houses the NFL headquarters, amongst a couple of

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Speaker 2: other companies as well. So basically what happened is this

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Speaker 2: twenty seven year old guy drove all the way from

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas, he parked his car, then walked two whole

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Speaker 2: blocks holding a rifle. Can you imagine seeing something like

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Speaker 2: that a person walking with a gun?

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Speaker 1: I mean in Manhattan, there is definitely people who saw

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Speaker 1: him walking with this huge rifle in his arms, because

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Speaker 1: there's people everywhere, especially in midtown Manhattan in the middle

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Speaker 1: walking on the street with that weapon is so scary,

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Speaker 1: And it is possible that people called the police and

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Speaker 1: said that there was a guy walking around with that,

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Speaker 1: but just they didn't get there in time. Maybe. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure all that will come out eventually.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else I noticed in those photos though,

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Speaker 2: is a lot of people looking at their phones and

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Speaker 2: just being totally unobservant of their surroundings. And it's really

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Speaker 2: shocking to see this picture of a man in an

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Speaker 2: clearly not paying attention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. It's I mean, if you if

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Speaker 1: you saw somebody anywhere that, unless you were at a

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Speaker 1: then you should automatically be like, oh my god. And

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Speaker 1: especially in the middle of the city. There's absolutely no

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Speaker 1: reason that anybody would be carrying a weapon like that.

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Speaker 2: I do feel like a lot of it is the shock,

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Speaker 2: like you might see that and you just it takes

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Speaker 2: a minute to register, right, Like I can't be seeing

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Speaker 2: this right like this man, you're just like this or

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Speaker 2: this is just like some weird New York person that's

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Speaker 2: carrying around this fake gun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know, Like nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: think anybody's gonna do something like this. But like it's

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Speaker 1: crazy that that he didn't get taken down way before

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Speaker 2: So he goes in the lobby of this building. He

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Speaker 2: opens fire there. He goes to the elevator, which apparently

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Speaker 2: he let a woman get off the elevator unharmed, which

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Speaker 2: I thought was interesting. Then he goes up the elevator

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Speaker 2: to the floor of the guy who owns the building,

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Speaker 2: opens fire in there. So overall he shot five people.

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Speaker 2: He killed four one of which was an off duty

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Speaker 2: police officer who was working security that day. That guy's

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Speaker 2: wife is pregnant with their third child.

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Speaker 1: I know. It's so I just you know, and think about,

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Speaker 1: like you're from her perspective, like your husband's in New

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Speaker 1: York City cop, and everybody that's married to a cop

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Speaker 1: right now is just on this different level of fear.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming I'm not. I'm not in that situation, but

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Speaker 1: I would be. And you're like, oh, well, he's working

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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, that's like not as dangerous as him

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Speaker 1: It's just so terrible.

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Speaker 2: No, it's horrible. So I guess employees started hearing the

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Speaker 2: gunfire and then they were told this shelter in place.

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Speaker 2: So these really disturbing photos have come out of them

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Speaker 2: I would have been having a meltdown, Like I don't

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Speaker 2: even know if I I always worry about this, if

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's awesome that they all got together

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Speaker 1: Like if you work in a political office, you might

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Speaker 1: be more inclined to expect some kind of violence in

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Speaker 1: a situation like that, Like when you work it NFL,

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Speaker 1: like you're working for a football organization. I just would

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Speaker 1: your radar that somebody would ever be coming in and shooting,

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Speaker 1: Like why why does anybody have anything against football? Like

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Speaker 1: most people are happy when they think about football. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's just like a very unusual place for

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Speaker 1: something like that to occur. But I guess, like how

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the reason. Because the shooter ended

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Speaker 2: up killing himself by shooting himself in the chest, which

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Speaker 2: I think everybody could say is kind of a weird

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Speaker 2: place to shoot yourself, right, But then they ended up

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Speaker 2: finding this note in his pocket. He suffered from CTE

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Speaker 2: and he was asking that his brain be studied. So

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Speaker 2: you have to argue if he shot himself in the chest,

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Speaker 2: he was intentionally trying to save his brain, if that

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Speaker 2: was his true motive behind the shooting. And they're also

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Speaker 2: saying that the NFL was mentioned in this note, and

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Speaker 2: he did play football in high school, So I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: if he's putting all of the blame on them, because

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Speaker 2: that's what it's looking like right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, it looks like he's been suffering from mental health

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Speaker 1: problems for a long time in his life. And they

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Speaker 1: even made mention of finding some psychoactive kind of drugs

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Speaker 1: Now I don't know exactly what he was diagnosed with,

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Speaker 1: but so CTE that Maria is talking about is called

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Speaker 1: chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and that is what you think of

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Speaker 1: when you hear about football players having all of these

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Speaker 1: football players. It could be uh, wrestlers. It happened in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris ben wah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So so really it is a thing that has

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Speaker 1: been and wasn't what was that one football player, well,

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Speaker 1: an example of the football player, but he had confirmed

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Speaker 1: later with hul Kogan for example. And and some could

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Speaker 1: his life could have been a result of repeated head trauma. Right,

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Speaker 1: but some people don't go completely nuts, and then other

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Speaker 1: But the only way to truly diagnose CTE is that

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Speaker 1: lot of times certain symptoms like that come from other

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Speaker 1: psychiatric diseases, such as schizophrenia, will start to show their

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Speaker 1: it is possible that he just has something completely unrelated

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Speaker 1: to having traumatic injuries playing football. But apparently he's been

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that happens with these people

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Speaker 1: like I said, they don't really truly know. Now, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you about this really interesting study that I found.

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Speaker 1: So a study was done by the NIH and it

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Speaker 1: like that's that's that's really shocking. Yeah, of course it is,

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Speaker 1: because if you think about everyone that you interact with

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Speaker 1: say that most of the people in this study were

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Speaker 1: playing American what you would call American football. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: history of playing soccer. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so you're saying soccer too. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is a really big problem in the hockey world and

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Speaker 2: are constantly crashing, falling down, slipping on the ice. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's any contact sport. I am surprised with the soccer

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Speaker 2: because I don't consider that like a contact sport necessarily.

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Speaker 1: No, it it they fall hard. And the thing is

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Speaker 1: is it's like you're you're considered to be at risk

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Speaker 1: It's a result of it, exactly, And and it's just

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Speaker 1: guy out on il and like push him through well

436
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that could happen too,

437
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: And even a mild concussion is a brain injury, so

438
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: like it's it's just something to think about.

439
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think of the worst case situations

440
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: where I remember that Miami Dolphins quarterback fell and his

441
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: like fingers were turning in all those that was horrible

442
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: to see. I mean, we look at some pretty horrific

443
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: pictures every day, and that was something that bothered me.

444
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget it. I can't even fathom it.

445
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's since we're on this subject, let's

446
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Speaker 1: talk about Hull Cogan because I know that there's been

447
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy with him over the years because

448
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: of certain things that he said, for sure, which were

449
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: like not cool, we're not really inappropriate. But but like

450
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: now I didn't even think about this because I really

451
00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: wanted to focus on his long term steroid use. But

452
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: but you have to think, like when you have a

453
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: person that's had that history of getting blows to the

454
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Speaker 1: head his whole life, like it could I mean, the

455
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: guy could just be a scumbag and could have been

456
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: his whole life, But it also could be because of

457
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: this history of traumatic brain injury, of saying things that

458
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: are inappropriate and having there's all different sorts of things

459
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Speaker 1: like personality changes and stuff. So I don't know if

460
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Speaker 1: anyone's ever brought that up. I'm just saying that that's

461
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: a possibility. With that.

462
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think people are bringing it up because

463
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: I mean what we know right now is they're reporting

464
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: it as your favorite cardiac orist, right, so we don't

465
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: really know what went down yet. But I mean, yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: if you guys were part of our YouTube live last Friday,

467
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: we really got into it. I mean, this guy had

468
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: been using steroids for decades. In this trial against Vince

469
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: mcmahn in the nineties, he went on the stand and

470
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: said by that point he had already been using steroids

471
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: for almost twenty years, so since the seventies, that is insane.

472
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean long term steroid use is terrible

473
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: on the body. Like, yes, it makes you look good,

474
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: well if you consider that to be look good. It

475
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: increases your body muscles and just makes you way more

476
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: built and buff looking that you could look with your

477
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: regular activity. But it's been linked to heart attacks, heart failure, arrhythmia, cardiomyopathy,

478
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: and using it long term like that only weakens his

479
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: heart over time, right, So that and they're saying, yeah,

480
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest, and like you know that that pisses me

481
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Speaker 1: off because obviously everybody dies when their heart stops, so

482
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: like his heart stop, that's what cardiac arrest means. But

483
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: he was apparently having some kind of health problems with it,

484
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: and then he had this addiction. So because of all

485
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: the injuries from now you have to think like this

486
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: guy had over twenty five surgeries because of the injuries

487
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: he got as a wrestler.

488
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: Okay, he've wrestled also, note till he was fifty nine

489
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Speaker 2: years old.

490
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but so think about this, like twenty five surgeries

491
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: on broken bones, shoulders, replacements, this, and that. He was

492
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: hitting his head a lot too. It just wasn't like, oh,

493
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: he broke his he had twenty five surgeries to replace

494
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: his joints in his bones, but like his head was

495
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: totally unaffected. Like trust me, his head was banked several

496
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: times and after that he got an addiction to painkillers

497
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: because of the procedures he was getting done. And uh so, honestly,

498
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: like again, it was just kind of the same as

499
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Speaker 1: with Ozzy Osbourne, like I'm not surprised, Like this isn't

500
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: really shocking to me when a person abuses their body

501
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: their whole life, that they die at a fairly younger age.

502
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: I was actually saying this on the YouTube live though.

503
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that he was only what was he

504
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: seventy seventy one? He was seventy one years old. Because

505
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Speaker 1: when I think of Hulcoke, because I don't follow wrestling

506
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: at all, but when I was a kid in the eighties,

507
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: there were these like Saturday Morning cartoons and like WWE Wrestling,

508
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: and then there was like a girls one called gloag

509
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling, right, and it was like like

510
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: this was before there was phones and iPads and stuff,

511
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: So like we did that on Saturdays when we woke up,

512
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: we watched these shows That's how I think of hul

513
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Cogan with like Andre the Giant and Captain Lou Albano

514
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: and all these people, right, And when I think of

515
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: him visually, I think like, Okay, he was like a

516
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: fifty year old dude in my mind, and when you

517
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: look at pictures of him, he looks like a fifty

518
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: year old dude. He was like in nineteen eighty five,

519
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: he was thirty one. He was your age in nineteen

520
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: eighty five. He looks he just looks rough. So so

521
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: for me to think that he's only seven, like I

522
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be like ninety, I didn't freak.

523
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: I just thought he was so much older than he

524
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: was all the time. But you know, people could get

525
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: that look when they abuse their bodies for such a

526
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: long time too.

527
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: Listen, Terry's just looked the same age his entire life.

528
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: What do you want?

529
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: I highly encourage everybody watched the Mister McMahon docuseries on Netflix.

530
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a really great look into the WWE

531
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: and wrestling as a whole. I actually kind of wish

532
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: we did this story with momm yesterday because I remember

533
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: like being a little kid and all all of us

534
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: just sitting in the family room. It was on in

535
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: the nineties. It was totally inappropriate for me to be watching.

536
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: But whatever, it was like a nice familie.

537
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: That time period was more like the rock and stuff.

538
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: Well it was transitioning into that. But like when you

539
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: watch this docuseries and they're showing you the WWE in

540
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: the nineties and like how sexual it was and how

541
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: it's absolutely insane. Everybody's like broided out of their minds.

542
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: It actually is unbelievable that this period in television happened.

543
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy.

544
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: So in the gross Room this week, I think we're

545
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: going to do the high profile death dis section or

546
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: the celebrity deaths section on him this week on Hold

547
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: on whole Cogar, just because I mean, like, obviously, so

548
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: many people die from cardiac arrest, right, so that's not

549
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: the interesting part of the story, but the interesting part

550
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: of the story. I always try to, whenever we're writing

551
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: these up, pick like a certain thing that is different

552
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: from other deaths, and in this case, I really want

553
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: to focus on the long term effects of steroid use

554
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: and like what that looks like on the body, from

555
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: the skin to guys having itty bitty testicles to everything

556
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: else that goes along with it, the roid rage, all

557
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: that stuff. So I think that'll be really interesting to

558
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: talk about next week.

559
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Speaker 2: All Right. We also have updates on Anne Burrel. So

560
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: we also went over this in our YouTube live if

561
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: you guys want to check that out in the gross room. So,

562
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: she was also initially reported as cardiac arrest found dead

563
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: in the shower as a reminder, and now her cause

564
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: of death has been acute intoxication due to which medications.

565
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Speaker 1: So essentially they were saying it is a cute intoxication

566
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Speaker 1: due to combined effects of drugs including benadryl, ethanol, zero

567
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: tech and phetamine. Okay, these drugs, so this is this

568
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: is my my little pearls of pathology for this particular case.

569
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: So when you look at these drugs, people drink. People

570
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: might have a couple drinks of wine and I or whatever,

571
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: right people might like today, I was telling Maria before

572
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: we started recording that snot is pouring out of my

573
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: nose and I look and on the allergy like dust

574
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: is really high where I'm at right now. So I'm like, okay,

575
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: I have allergies. I'll probably take allergy medicine. Later to

576
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: make it stop. So she had Benadryl in her system

577
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: and zero TECH, which is like most people know you

578
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't take those together, but like people do, right, especially

579
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: if you're having like really really bad allergies, people do.

580
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely done it and exactly like I've

581
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: done it before too. And she had ethanol in her system,

582
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: so like it could be like again, people don't realize

583
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: that certain medications you shouldn't drink on. And then she

584
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: had adderall or amphetamine, which could be like adderall, which

585
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: is a pill that she could take every day. So

586
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: in theory, like this could be an accidental overdose of

587
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: just people taking prescription. Let's say you wake up in

588
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: the morning, you take your adderall, right, and then a

589
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: couple hours later you start having allergies, so you take

590
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: zero tech and it doesn't go away. So by later

591
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: at night you take benadru before you go to bed,

592
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: and then you also, like, but maybe at dinner time

593
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: you had a couple drinks. Right that that to me

594
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: is like not super out of the ordinary. So when

595
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: they say and they don't give us much information on

596
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: her autopsy, right, we don't get the report. But when

597
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: they say that she died of suicide Number one, it's investigation.

598
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: So does she have any suicidal ideations? Did she have

599
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Speaker 1: a history of previous suicide attempts? Did she leave a

600
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Speaker 1: note saying that she was going to kill herself? The

601
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: interviewing the family like, was she depressed, was she seeing

602
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: a mental health therapist? All that stuff. But on top

603
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: of that, the only thing that I could come up

604
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: with is that the levels of these particular drugs in

605
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: her system were at non therapeutic levels. So if you

606
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: look at all these things in someone's system and it

607
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: looks like, okay, they had the normal dose of benadryl

608
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: and the normal dose of zero TECH, then you would

609
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this was an accident. And they didn't

610
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: have a history of suicidal ideations, you would be like,

611
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: this is an accident. But the levels, the toxicology levels,

612
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: which they haven't provided from us, had to be like

613
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: off the chain that they were like, Okay, this was intentional.

614
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's what I was wondering as well, because I

615
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: was just like, if you just happened to take this,

616
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: how would they know if you were killing yourself or

617
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: if it was an accidental overdose. But I guess it's

618
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: just more about not what it is, but the amount

619
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Speaker 2: of what it is.

620
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Speaker 1: And another thing too, is like when they do the autopsy,

621
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Speaker 1: they check the stomach contents to see what the person

622
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Speaker 1: had recess ingested. And often times if a person does

623
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Speaker 1: try to kill themselves with medication, they'll have way too

624
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: many pills inside of their stomach. That it like if

625
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: you're taking zero tack for your allergies, you're taking one pill,

626
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: So if there's ten of them in your stomach that's

627
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: that are partially digested, You're gonna be like, Okay, that's

628
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: that's not normal. This person isn't taking this for allergies.

629
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Speaker 1: They're trying to harm themselves. So and even if they

630
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: didn't see that stuff, like I said, the levels in

631
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: the blood would indicate certainly that like somebody was trying

632
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Speaker 1: to hurt themselves.

633
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this episode is brought to you by the Gross Room. Guys,

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Speaker 2: the Gross Room and it was just really awesome. We

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Speaker 2: stuff or just whatever you guys are interested in, and

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Speaker 2: like I told you, we're going to be doing Hull

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Speaker 2: Cogan celebrity death dissection and talk all about steroid use

642
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: and that's that's a really interesting subject actually because I

643
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: actually know a few people that I suspect.

644
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Are taking steroids. It's pretty obvious when people are taking them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll still have a really good vagina related case that

646
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Speaker 2: Yeah, head over to the Grossroom dot com now to

651
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Speaker 2: sign up and get access info for the YouTube live.

652
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Speaker 1: All right, so we're going to talk about a couple

653
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: accidents that happened that are specifically related to summertime accidents,

654
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: which are just really upsetting because oftentimes it's like parents

655
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: are just trying to do the right thing and like

656
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: entertain their kids so they have a fun summer and

657
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: then something terrible happens, like a kid dies or gets injured.

658
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: We didn't we're not even really formally talking about this

659
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: on this episode because there are unfortunately so many drownings

660
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: that happen every single day, but this one happened close

661
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: to us at Hershey Park, which is kind of crazy

662
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: because that was their first reported death ever at Hershey Park.

663
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Really and yes, wow, which which is yeah, and that's

664
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: a lot in Hershey Park. I don't know if is

665
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Hershey Park like big all over the world or like

666
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: it just do people like actually go there on vacation

667
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: or it's just people local here that like drive there.

668
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't really know how it works. I really don't know.

669
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: I mean I would be I would be surprised if

670
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: people like traveled from really far to go there. I

671
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: just think of it as like we go there because

672
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: we lived out too far, or if you're like passing

673
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: through the.

674
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: Area, you would go there. Yeah, I'm not really sure

675
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: about that. But anyway, the thing, like, there was stuff

676
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: going around the news that the kid had a previous

677
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: medical and incident some kind of maybe like a seizure,

678
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: was having some kind of underlying health condition which caused

679
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the kid to drown. But the medical examiner did do

680
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: the autopsy en ruled that it was an accidental drowning.

681
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Do it was an accident due to drowning, so no

682
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: underlying health condition was seen in that child. So it

683
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: was strictly a freak accident. And now this this next case,

684
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: while it didn't happen in America. It's actually I looked

685
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: at the case and I was just like, this is

686
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: kind of weird that they let that they let this happen. Anyway,

687
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: it seemed to me like it was like, well, in

688
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: the eighties, they for sure let me go down on

689
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: my dad's lap on a water slide like that. But

690
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do stuff like that anymore.

691
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was unusual at all. I feel

692
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: like they always have kids that are under a certain

693
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: size held by the parents.

694
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: Not as far as anything that I've brought the kids

695
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: on their life. It's even when we were on the cruise,

696
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: Rexy couldn't go on a certain one because he didn't

697
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: weigh enough. Even with Gabe, he wasn't allowed to go on. Yeah,

698
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: and that's my nephew. They just were like, he doesn't

699
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: weigh enough and he's fifty pounds. Yeah, so think about that,

700
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: And all the other ones that we've gone on have

701
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: been like this double inner tu connected thing where like

702
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: the parent has to go in a certain spot and

703
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: the kid has to go in a certain spot. And

704
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: a lot of times we go to places where they

705
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: weigh us and they'll say like they want, you know,

706
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: one kid to go with, like the lightest kid to

707
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: go with the heavier with the heaviest parent.

708
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Well, I guess with water slides it makes more sense

709
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: to just not allow the kid at all. But I

710
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: was more so speaking to like regular rides. I mean

711
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: definitely when the kids were younger, I remember going on

712
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: certain things. Remember, I mean, I guess it's changed. I

713
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: was thinking of going on Space Mountain, and you used

714
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: to hold the kid right in front of you, but

715
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: now they all have individual seats, which I feel like

716
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: made me more anxious when I went on with Lilian,

717
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: because I was like, so scared She's just gonna slip

718
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: right out of the seat.

719
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing is, though, like I have a

720
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: picture somewhere in my house of me and my dad

721
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: going down a water slide in the eighties, and like

722
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting on his lap or in between his

723
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: legs or something like that. Shit would not go down

724
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: now because of situations like this, So why not you?

725
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this one's out of Croatia, so a father

726
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 2: was holding his toddler and they went down a waterside

727
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: at the park and suddenly she fell from his arms

728
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: about eleven and a half feet onto a concrete surface

729
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: to her death. So this, yeah, like when you talk

730
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: about it, it doesn't make sense today with every with

731
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: like all the accidents and new regulations and stuff, especially

732
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: when you're introducing water into the mix and a baby,

733
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: which is I mean this this kid's they're saying it's

734
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 2: a toddler, but it's a twenty one month year old,

735
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: so not even a twenty one month old, So not

736
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: even a two year old, right, this kid must be

737
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: so light. And then you add for water, Yeah, you

738
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 2: can't expect someone to hold on to a person under

739
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: a condition like that. It's yes, it's wet, it's slippery.

740
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: You're getting like one of the water slides I went

741
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 2: on at that horrible Great Wolf Lodge place, like water

742
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: boarded me in the face, like I couldn't even see it,

743
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: like blinded me, like wet in my ear and my eyes.

744
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: And I was like, I literally did experience the whole

745
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: ride because it shot in my face so bad, like

746
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: if I was trying to hold a kid at that time.

747
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: It just wouldn't even be possible. So another thing when

748
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: you see this particular water slide where it happened, is

749
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: that that particular spot obviously, because you know a lot

750
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: of the water slides now are covered like a like

751
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: a tube, and this was like a half pipe. So

752
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is like turn on the wrong

753
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: angle and let go of the kid. It's just like,

754
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: this is why it doesn't make sense. Even like, let's

755
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: pretend the kid didn't fall over the edge. They were

756
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: still disconnected from each other. The dad goes down the

757
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: slide way before the kid, and then all of a sudden,

758
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: that kid comes out like a projectile and hits the

759
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: dad in the face. Like it's just it's dangerous to

760
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: like have two people. I think that's why they're more

761
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: inclined to put two people on a float, because their

762
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: bodies are still separated from on another kind of is

763
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's incidents that happen all the time,

764
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: but nothing like this. And I feel terrible from the

765
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: article because apparently like they were trying to question the

766
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: dad and he was just like, why are you even

767
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: talking to me right now? My daughter's dying, right yeah,

768
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: Like why would you try to be interviewing someone asking

769
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: them what happened or how they feel, and of course

770
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna feel terrible guilt about it.

771
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: Well, you can argue on the last episode, why is

772
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: everybody whipping out their phone to take a picture of

773
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: a person falling over the edge of a pool when

774
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: they should be running and getting help for this person.

775
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: It's just like the society we live in is horrible.

776
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

777
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: You guys are always making fun of me for not

778
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: wanting to go to water parks, and it seems like

779
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: you've never had a good time at one, So.

780
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm always getting made fun of.

781
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: I would have a blast at them if there were

782
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: actually no people there, but but.

783
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: That is unrealistic covond Okay, So this next incident happened

784
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: in England. So a teen was on a ride at

785
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: a local fair and a witness said she fell onto

786
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: the moving floor. Her hair got caught in the rollers,

787
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: causing three fourths of her scalp to be ripped off.

788
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like by the description that it was one

789
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: of these like funhouses. You know, Yeah, that's what I

790
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: was thinking too, because we have one. We have one

791
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: down the shore, which I mean it's permanently an attraction

792
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: at the shore, but it's definitely like a carnival ride,

793
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: like they probably could travel easily and it is it's

794
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: like all rollers on the floor, so you I actually

795
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: have a video of Gape doing it. I'll post on

796
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: my Instagram gram later of going on this roller floor

797
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and I got see, this is something I wouldn't even

798
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: think of, because when you do go on roller coasters

799
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: and stuff, you always should have your hair tied back.

800
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: I have a story in the grosser room from years

801
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: ago actually of a girl who was on a ferris

802
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: wheel and her hair got caught in like the gear

803
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: where the cart attaches to the ferris wheel and ripped

804
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: her scalp off.

805
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: To Okay, well, I was gonna bring this point up too,

806
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: because I feel like like I very very rarely wear

807
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: my hair back. I always have it down. So I

808
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: feel like whenever we're at a park or something, I

809
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: don't see that on the signs, like you know, they

810
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: have all the signs like make sure this but yeah, well.

811
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: It is interesting. I don't recall seeing it either.

812
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure some parks, maybe some parks have

813
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: it somewhere and we've just never seen it. But I

814
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: don't ever recall them being like make sure your hair.

815
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: I actually don't think a ponytails a good idea, like

816
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 2: you should have it in a tight bun against your head,

817
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: because a ponytail could also get ripped, you know.

818
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think your your hair is pretty short.

819
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the one that I was talking about

820
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: on the ferris wheel. It was a girl from India,

821
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: I believe, and she had that really long, like awesome

822
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: black hair that like went downdoor waist, like extra long hair.

823
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, they're obviously the longer hair you have, the

824
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: more at risk you are, but the hair in general

825
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: is a risk for women. I have a video in

826
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: the grosser room too, of a woman that was working

827
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: at I don't know if it was like the milkshake

828
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: or the mcflurry machine at a McDonald's, but her hair

829
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: got caught in the machine and like pulled her head

830
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: like against the machine. Yeah. So, not only is a

831
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 1: hair net safe for just so you know you don't

832
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: have like your hair falling in people's food, but it's

833
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: also safe for yourself. And a lot of women don't

834
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: really realize that, but I of course I'm like just

835
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: so crazy with everything that I'm always like make sure

836
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: your hair is tied back, and but on the Funhouse,

837
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even think of that.

838
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of like such a benign ride

839
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: that it like I wouldn't even consider it a ride.

840
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: It's like a walk through a chat that's like.

841
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: My favorite ride because there's no ride to it because

842
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: they kept fun but not like doesn't make you want

843
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: to throw up, they kept saying.

844
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: And I mean, of course we're assuming that's what this

845
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: is too, And they keep saying, Oh, the ride was

846
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: tested regularly. It doesn't matter if the ride was tested

847
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: regularly and operating correctly. I mean this was just purely

848
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: a freak accident.

849
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean getting a scalp injury like that,

850
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: that's called an evulsion or like a like a degloving injury.

851
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, because think about like your hand being like

852
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: the bones of your hands being the hand and the

853
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: skin coming off being like a glove covering it just

854
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: coming off in one piece. It's the same sort of

855
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: theory with the scalp. And oftentimes like if you can

856
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: this is really disturbing, but if you could bring the

857
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: piece of scalp that got ripped off, or it's actually

858
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: better if it stays flapped and connected. There's a chance

859
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: that they could sew it back up and reconnect it.

860
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: But in some situations, like I have a case in

861
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: the gross room where a woman got her head her

862
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: she had a scarf on her hair and it got

863
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 1: tangled in a machine which then ripped her scalp off,

864
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: and they didn't bring her scalp to the hospital for

865
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: whatever reason. It was stuck in the machine still, and

866
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: you're looking at like serious serious surgeries, skin grafts, forget

867
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: about ever having hair again, because you can't grow your

868
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: hair back there again. It's it's just like major surgeries.

869
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: And it's really it's really upsetting to see that because

870
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not a te like when you see a

871
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: scalp injury like that, you look at it and you're like,

872
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, this person's going to die, and usually

873
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: like they're not going to die from that. It's just

874
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: so gruesome looking because you could see their bone and

875
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: it just their hair flapped over and it's just so disturbing.

876
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the article, I'm going to criticize them for

877
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: this wording they said the teens suffered potentially life changing injuries,

878
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: like shit.

879
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is like, I mean, I would say

880
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: hopefully that if she was able to get to the

881
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: hospital quickly and had some really great surgeons, that they

882
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: were able to sew it and repair it. And but

883
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: but like that, once you disconnect large portions of the

884
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: skin like that from the blood supply, they're not getting oxygen.

885
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: They could die. So even if they can reattach it,

886
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: it might start getting gangrenous over the next couple of

887
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: days just because it it was too far gone, so

888
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: she could have multiple surgeries ahead of her and stuff.

889
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: It's it's just terrible. So this we we see hot

890
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: car desks every single week in the grocery and we

891
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: just don't cover them. They're just they're just really upsetting

892
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: and and most of the time they're due to negligce.

893
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: In fact, they say, studies done say that seventy five

894
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: percent of these cases are because of accidents, and this

895
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: case is an accident too. This is just like a

896
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: little bit of a different situation. But there's we hear,

897
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: we probably hear about every single child that dies on

898
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: a hot car death because statistically there's only forty to

899
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: fifty of these happening a year, and I feel like

900
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: that's about how many times we hear it so because

901
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: it's just it is just so disturbing. And most of

902
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: the time it happens when a caregiver forgets about a

903
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: kid that they were supposed to drop off somewhere, And

904
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: this kind of happened in this case too, but the

905
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: circumstances are just are are really different.

906
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this three year old boy was in foster care,

907
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: but he was allowed visitation with his biological father during

908
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: the day. So in this case, I contract a worker

909
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: through the Department of Human Resources would pick the boy

910
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: up from daycare, take him to the visitation with his father,

911
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: then bring him back to daycare where the foster mother

912
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: then would pick him up. So on this particular day

913
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Speaker 2: last week, the foster mom goes to the daycare and

914
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Speaker 2: he's not there, so they're freaking out, and then it

915
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: turns out that the human resources person ended up leaving

916
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: the child in the car for five hours on a

917
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: hot day. It was in between twelve thirty and five thirty,

918
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: arguably the hottest time of the day, and the kid

919
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: ended up not serving.

920
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: It's just so ironic, like this child was taken away

921
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: from his family because they thought that he was at

922
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: risk for whatever reason. They don't say why. I don't

923
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: even know where the biological mother is. But the father

924
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: was allowed to have like visitation with supervised visitation with

925
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: the kid. They took him away and put him in

926
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: foster care. So it must have been kind of bad

927
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: if they did all that and then only for the

928
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: kid to die on the watch of the people that

929
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: were supposed to be protecting him.

930
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: Dude, I was just thinking, like yesterday, when I left

931
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: your house and I got in my car, it said

932
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 2: it was one hundred and twelve degrees in my car.

933
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And this happened in Alabama, in the South.

934
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 2: It's probably way hotter down there than it.

935
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: Is up here. So I have a case in the

936
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: grosser room of a hot car death, and it's it

937
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: was a very good write up because we rarely see

938
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Speaker 1: case reports of this. And I was saying in the

939
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: post actually that the photographs are in black and white,

940
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: and sometimes some journals do that because it's so like

941
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: heart wrenching and upsetting that like the pictures being colorized

942
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: are just too much to even publish, Like it's it's

943
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: that bad, right, And in this particular case that I

944
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: wrote up in the Grosser Room, this was a child.

945
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: It was the same thing, like the dad was supposed

946
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: to drop the child off at school, went to work

947
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: a full day, and then only to approach the car

948
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: after a full day of work, saw the kid in

949
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: the car, and that's when it was like, oh shit,

950
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: I never dropped off the kid. And this is a

951
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: story that we hear all the time. And at the

952
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: autopsy they saw second and third degree thermal burns because

953
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: the car was registered up to one hundred and sixty

954
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 1: degrees fahrenheit. Jesus, I know, it's so, oh my god,

955
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: it's just so sad to think about, like and and

956
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: this kid is like you hear about it with babies,

957
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: but then when you hear about it with like a

958
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: three year old kid, that's kind of a little bit

959
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: more aware, like thinking about them tugging on their like

960
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: thing trying to get out and not being able to

961
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: get out, and oh my god, it's just it's just

962
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: like it's just so terrible and and like you know,

963
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: obviously like this kid's dad, whatever happened the kid, the

964
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: dad still wanted to be in the kid's life, and

965
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: he was trying to be in the kid's life, and

966
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: just could you imagine them taking your kid away and

967
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: then being like thanks, like you killed my kid, Like

968
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just And another thing is too,

969
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: is that I know that a lot of different daycares,

970
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: like for example, when they kids were in daycare, when

971
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: I was working at the hospital full time, if I

972
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: didn't show up one day, they would just call and

973
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's so like you were supposed to

974
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: call if you weren't coming one day, And if we

975
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: didn't show up or we were late, they would call

976
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, just checking to see if so

977
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: and so is coming today.

978
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: Well, I we don't know what happened, but I just

979
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: think this is like kind of probably kind of an

980
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: unusual situation where the kids taken out midday and then

981
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: brought back.

982
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: It's unusual, But like, is that if that's what happens

983
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: all the time, wouldn't they be like the kid never

984
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: came back. They know what's happening.

985
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, yes, they should. But

986
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: because maybe it was the only kid that did this,

987
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: it was it's like what you say, like in most

988
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: of these cases, it's people.

989
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: Breaking routine, right.

990
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean, this situation might have been, so to speak,

991
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: a breaking of the rout the normal routine, Like kids

992
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: don't typically leave midday and come back, they're typically picked.

993
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: I just think that when they do the investigation, the

994
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: day care center is gonna have a little bit of

995
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: involvement with it. It's just like if you if you know,

996
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: a child is leaving to go have this supervised visitation

997
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: that they were having all the time, and then getting

998
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: brought back and they never come back, and then like

999
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: the foster mom shows up and they're like, oh, the

1000
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: kid's not here. It's just like, well they should have

1001
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: some accountability too, is to find out where the kid

1002
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: is because the kid's already in a situation like how

1003
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: did they know that something didn't happen, like the dad

1004
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: didn't take the kid or or something bad happened. Well,

1005
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: they don't because it's a situation of visitize or supervised

1006
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: visitation and stuff. There's just a lot.

1007
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: Of scenarios that could have gone down, like was it

1008
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: the same person that picked up the kid every time?

1009
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: Were they trying to contact the person and whatever? You

1010
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: just don't know, but the person has reportedly been fired,

1011
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: so I'm interested to see what the investigation is going

1012
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: to turn up.

1013
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:53,960
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1014
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1016
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