Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
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Speaker 1: President Trump for posting a false personal attack on the
Speaker 1: judges clerk. We have such a great show for you today.
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett checks in with us right before the
Speaker 1: vote to strip Kevin McCarthy of his speakership. Then we'll
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Speaker 1: Trump Shows, the One the Only Mary Trump. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, my favorite friend and to someone I
Speaker 1: really adore, Mary Trump.
Speaker 2: Hey, Mollie, it is great to be here. It is
Speaker 2: always better to share the apocalypse with you.
Speaker 1: It's true. I feel like we've lost so many years
Speaker 1: of our lives to your uncle. Obviously it's not your fault,
Speaker 1: it's he's your uncle. But years ago, would you ever
Speaker 1: think that he'd be holding the entire country hostage?
Speaker 2: No, there was literally no reason to think that he'd
Speaker 2: be holding a network hostage.
Speaker 3: At the beginning of the all. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: it's absurd.
Speaker 2: It's a devastating indictment against so called it adults in America.
Speaker 2: And I was actually just working on a piece about
Speaker 2: this stupid age controversy.
Speaker 3: You know, they're the same age. For anybody who's listening,
Speaker 3: Donald and Biden are the same age?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Does everybody wish Biden were younger? Including Biden? Sure?
Speaker 2: I wish I were because it feels like the last
Speaker 2: seven years have been three decades.
Speaker 1: It's true. It's such a good point. I mean, there
Speaker 1: is such a feeling that we are in this soul
Speaker 1: vacuum of the last seven years. Right now, Trump is
Speaker 1: in New York for this fraud case. It feels like
Speaker 1: this fraud case, which is by the way, one of many,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of a different kind of case than
Speaker 1: a lot of his other cases. It's a civil case,
Speaker 1: I think, and so it's not a case where he
Speaker 1: could end up in jail. But it does seem to
Speaker 1: me like this is this case where it's the family
Speaker 1: business has hit him in a way that other cases
Speaker 1: have not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple things. First of all, yes, it is
Speaker 3: a civil case. It should absolutely have been a criminal case.
Speaker 3: In fact, the codes being cited in the case are
Speaker 3: all criminal codes.
Speaker 2: It just shows you how corrupt the DOJ was under
Speaker 2: Bill bar And listen, he had a lot of company.
Speaker 2: Syvan's could have done something about this a long time ago.
Speaker 2: The man who preceded Elvin Brad. Yeah, a good point
Speaker 2: about Syvan's. Don't give Syvans a pass.
Speaker 3: No, let's not do that.
Speaker 2: So Donald is in court because as you as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: this case matters to him more than any other. First
Speaker 2: of all, he doesn't care if he's accused of stealing
Speaker 2: the election or stealing documents, because he can justify.
Speaker 3: This in his own little mind.
Speaker 2: He thinks it makes him look tough, that he's beating
Speaker 2: the system. He thinks it helps him with his base,
Speaker 2: and he's unfortunately not wrong about that. This goes to
Speaker 2: the heart of who he believes himself to be, who
Speaker 2: he is on the most fundamental level, And as this
Speaker 2: case unfolds, it just underscores what a lot of us
Speaker 2: have already known.
Speaker 3: This is the.
Speaker 2: Last nail in the coffin of the empire my grandfather created,
Speaker 2: and that Donald, in the span of three decades totally
Speaker 2: destroyed all by himself. You know, usually takes three generations
Speaker 2: to destroy. Well he said it in half a generation,
Speaker 2: and it shows that he is a fraud and that
Speaker 2: on his own he's worth nothing. So he's going to
Speaker 2: be there saying the most outrageous things just outside the
Speaker 2: courtroom without any pushback. Apparently he's going to stare down
Speaker 2: Letitia James one as if she cares, and two as
Speaker 2: if he's some kind of schoolyard bully. And he's gonna
Speaker 2: cross his arms and power and look dour and stern
Speaker 2: and try to spin it.
Speaker 5: And he can't.
Speaker 3: And that's the beautiful thing about it.
Speaker 1: So Trump sort of built this empire from stealing from
Speaker 1: his siblings. Well he didn't build any one of whom
Speaker 1: is your father, right, But I mean he was able
Speaker 1: to consolidate this wealth by stealing from his siblings.
Speaker 2: Not exactly what happened is that during my grandfather's lifetime,
Speaker 2: he disproportionately favored Donald, so that, as we learned in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen from the New York Times, Donald received from
Speaker 2: his father. They're in excess of four hundred and thirteen
Speaker 2: million dollars through gifts, trust funds, and unpaid loans. My
Speaker 2: father aunts and other uncle did not receive the same benefit,
Speaker 2: so you know.
Speaker 3: That he had that leg up first of all.
Speaker 1: And then, yes, Kristen, he and his sister go get
Speaker 1: together and try to figure out a way to defraud
Speaker 1: you and your and your siblings.
Speaker 2: Yes, they essentially got together and made sure that this
Speaker 2: is going to sound vaguely familiar. I mean, the goal
Speaker 2: was twofold. One was to diminish the value of my
Speaker 2: grandfather's estate by so much that they didn't have to
Speaker 2: pay as much an inheritance tax.
Speaker 1: Right, which is cheating the irs.
Speaker 3: Cheating the irs.
Speaker 2: And the other goal was to make sure that my
Speaker 2: dad's estate was worth significantly less on paper than it
Speaker 2: actually was.
Speaker 3: So when my grandfather died, they were claiming that his
Speaker 3: entire estate and.
Speaker 2: I literally do I think he owned something like forty
Speaker 2: eight buildings in Queens in Brooklyn, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how many acres of property. They were claiming that his
Speaker 2: estate was worth thirty million dollars, and three or four
Speaker 2: years later they sold it for seven hundred million.
Speaker 1: Wow. So it turns out that devaluing assets is a
Speaker 1: common Trump family tactic.
Speaker 2: It would appear, So I'm not saying it's an uncommon practice.
Speaker 1: Right, it is illegal, though, I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to realize, like, intentionally misstating the value of assets
Speaker 1: in order to not pay taxes is fundamentally illegal.
Speaker 2: Well, and also, let's put it this way, there's also
Speaker 2: the scale at which one does that. There's also the
Speaker 2: flip flopping on it. What he seems to have done
Speaker 2: is overvalue for purposes of getting loans, undervalue for purposes
Speaker 2: of not paying is fair or taxes. And the problem
Speaker 2: then becomes because it's you know, quote unquote comment practice.
Speaker 2: We get headlines like at Donald's fraud trial's first day,
Speaker 2: opposing views on property valuation. Well, okay, yeah, they're closing views,
Speaker 2: but one of them is corrupt, false, and illegal, right.
Speaker 1: Well, both of them are, they're just for different reasons.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean the county's assessment or the IRS assessment. Right, no, question,
Speaker 2: are as close as you're going to get to what's
Speaker 2: factually accurate.
Speaker 1: As we are sitting here like talking about this trial,
Speaker 1: and this is just one of what will soon be
Speaker 1: a continual stream of trials. What I think is interesting
Speaker 1: about this trial is like, he didn't need to be here, right,
Speaker 1: He's here because he thinks it'll help his cakes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does well.
Speaker 2: I think it's also he's there to make sure that
Speaker 2: his lawyers behave in the way he wants them to,
Speaker 2: and that's a huge strategic mistake on his work.
Speaker 1: Say more about that. That's quite interesting for.
Speaker 2: Reasons that aren't entirely clear, either because his lawyer is
Speaker 2: fucked up or because this was going to be a
Speaker 2: trial without a jury. Anyway, it's a bench trial, which
Speaker 2: means the judge is going to rule, which, as we know,
Speaker 2: he already has, so we're already at the penalty phase
Speaker 2: here because the judge has adjudged that the facts favor
Speaker 2: the prosecution's argument. So what Donald seems to think is
Speaker 2: going to help his case is for his lawyers to
Speaker 2: relitigate facts not at evidence, or an argument that the
Speaker 2: judge has already ruled against, so which is completely counterproductive.
Speaker 2: But it's as if Donald is not interested in making
Speaker 2: the case for the judge. He's interested in making the
Speaker 2: case for his followers, and the lawyers are interested in
Speaker 2: making the case for Donald.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense right. Trump has a lot of
Speaker 1: people performing for an audience of one, including perhaps Kevin
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Matt Gates. I want to continue on here
Speaker 1: for a minute and talk to you about like it
Speaker 1: seems in my mind that Trump is kind of diminished.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is, and that's why he's doing all
Speaker 2: of us a favor by showing up.
Speaker 3: He thinks it's a sign of strength.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why he thinks that, but it's clearly
Speaker 2: a side of weakness and desperation. He thinks that his
Speaker 2: rantings outside of the courtroom somehow make him seem strong,
Speaker 2: and he just seems increasingly like a whiny, aggrieved toddler.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not totally sure why there was a
Speaker 2: camera the courtroom for fifteen seconds, but there was.
Speaker 3: We see him just sitting there.
Speaker 2: He's pouting, he's looking like somebody who just had his
Speaker 2: lunch money stolen from him or something. So it's a miscalculation,
Speaker 2: but again, it just shows you how important this is
Speaker 2: to him. What is unfortunate for him but fortunate for
Speaker 2: the rest of us, is that that ship is sale.
Speaker 2: There's literally nothing he could do at this point to
Speaker 2: prevent what seems to be the pretty obvious outcome, because
Speaker 2: it's already been litigated and decided in some ways.
Speaker 1: I just want to know, like he is the Republican
Speaker 1: front runner. He is the Republican nominee. Right, he's going
Speaker 1: to be the nominee. I mean, there's no world in
Speaker 1: which he's not going to be the nominee unless something happens,
Speaker 1: but he clearly doesn't scale Right, McCarthy would not have
Speaker 1: refused the government shutdown had he not thought the chances
Speaker 1: of losing the House because of shutting down the government
Speaker 1: were bigger than the chances of his own peril by
Speaker 1: betraying Trump, right, because Trump wanted this government shutdown. So
Speaker 1: this is like clearly a case of Trump having diminished
Speaker 1: power in the MAGA Caucus. So I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: just am curious. You know a lot about psychology, you
Speaker 1: know a lot about how people behave. I mean, Trump
Speaker 1: rides this to zero, does that mean he announces for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight? I mean, what do you think this
Speaker 1: looks like?
Speaker 2: What it looks like is absolute chaos and just the
Speaker 2: stark truth that the Republican Party, with or without Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: stands for nothing except burning it all down. And we
Speaker 2: need to take that in. Let's stop pretending that there's
Speaker 2: anything constructive happening here. Donald Trump wants to cling to
Speaker 2: power because he doesn't want to go to prison. If
Speaker 2: Donald ever gets to the point where he feels like
Speaker 2: he's losing and he's going down, he'll do whatever he
Speaker 2: can in his power to take the rest of us
Speaker 2: down with him. We already see this with his engaging
Speaker 2: in stochastic terrorism. He is calling for violence. He is
Speaker 2: calling for the deaths of his political opponents as he
Speaker 2: perceives that because, let's face it, General Billy is not
Speaker 2: Donald's political a vote it. He's just doing his job essentially.
Speaker 2: So it's the same thing writ large in the Republican Party,
Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy stands for nothing. Medgate stands for nothing except
Speaker 2: their own advancement and clinging to power no matter what.
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that the events of the last
Speaker 2: three days will make that impossible, but the American electorate
Speaker 2: continues to remain stubbornly unmoved by the machinations of the
Speaker 2: politicians whom they continue to empower. It's it's quite mind blowing,
Speaker 2: and I think from now on it's the voters we
Speaker 2: need to pay attention to.
Speaker 1: Right, It's just incredible to watch this unfold. As we
Speaker 1: are watching him, it does seem like I saw the
Speaker 1: Trump boys. It's so interesting to me because you know,
Speaker 1: this is just my own brain. But like when Trump
Speaker 1: left office, this Trump family, filled with grifters, Charlatan's and
Speaker 1: low IQ socialites, really could have taken over Republican politics.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Lara was getting a lot of push to run for
Speaker 1: office in North Carolina. John Junior was saying he was
Speaker 1: going to run for office in Florida. There was a
Speaker 1: sense in which the party was theirs for the taking.
Speaker 1: I mean, they probably could have even found a job
Speaker 1: for Eric, but it seems like that didn't happen. And
Speaker 1: the kids really only exist to support the father. Can
Speaker 1: you talk about that? As a child of great privilege
Speaker 1: and who has benefit from nepotism, It's quite strange to see,
Speaker 1: in my mind a powerful father who seems so uninterested
Speaker 1: in the success of his children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an understatement. He couldn't care less.
Speaker 2: They exist to serve his needs and help him in
Speaker 2: his endeavors, not the other way around. And you know
Speaker 2: he has that in comic with my grandfather. My grandfather's
Speaker 2: children existed to be of use to him, and he
Speaker 2: picked the one whom he believed would be of the
Speaker 2: most use and essentially discarded or killed off the rest
Speaker 2: of them. The difference between my grandfather and Donald, however,
Speaker 2: was that my grandfather saw the utility in promoting Donald
Speaker 2: because Donald had certain capacities my grandfather didn't have, and
Speaker 2: Donald could only help him expand his empire. The other
Speaker 2: thing that my grandfather was interested in was his legacy,
Speaker 2: his empirement everything to him, his empire's surviving him, and
Speaker 2: everything to him. Donald, on the other hand, has no
Speaker 2: interest in helping his children advance. They are used to
Speaker 2: him to be of use to him solely, and he
Speaker 2: doesn't care about what happens next. In other words, there
Speaker 2: is no legacy here. Donald doesn't think the world can
Speaker 2: or should continue to exist beyond him, and that's terrify
Speaker 2: all of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really not what you want in a president
Speaker 1: is someone who doesn't care what happens when they die.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing to keep from crying again. But it is
Speaker 1: just a terrifying, terrifying thing to do. It's just terrifying
Speaker 1: and also so depressing. So I want for our listeners
Speaker 1: to be able to take this little bit of joy
Speaker 1: with them. He destroys the Republican Party, burns it all
Speaker 1: down on the way out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. If the Republicans can't deliver for him, then
Speaker 3: what use are there. He's not beholden to anybody.
Speaker 2: We see how he gets rid of people who aren't
Speaker 2: sufficiently loyal.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. We want to edit a good note,
Speaker 3: so that's let's let's leap it down.
Speaker 1: No, that's no problem. Tell us the problem. That's good.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is that it won't stop with the
Speaker 3: Republican Party.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's not like he'll destroy the Republican
Speaker 2: Party and the rest of us will survive and thrive
Speaker 2: and live happily. Ever after so much damage has been done,
Speaker 2: and let's not forget that the project of continuing to
Speaker 2: save and try to shore up and protect democracy makes
Speaker 2: it impossible for us to pay attention to other things.
Speaker 2: So I think what we need to do is just
Speaker 2: blow them out of the water to such a degree
Speaker 2: that both Donald and the Republican Party become power.
Speaker 3: That's the best we can hope for it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mary Trump. Can't wait to see you. We're
Speaker 1: both going to be at the New Republic Stop Trump's
Speaker 1: summit next Wednesday, and I hope that some of our
Speaker 1: listeners will join us.
Speaker 2: I did you.
Speaker 3: I just wish they'd put a little asterisk next to Trump.
Speaker 3: It can get awkward if people were there to stop me.
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett represents Texas's thirtieth district. Welcome to Fast Politics, Congresswoman.
Speaker 4: Crockett, Hey, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you. Incredible course of events.
Speaker 1: So the reason I booked you was, do you remember
Speaker 1: we met at a party like last year?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but like we met at the correspondence dinner maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. But I was so incredibly
Speaker 1: blown away by your speaking at the impeachment hearing. Talk
Speaker 1: to us just for two minutes about what happened there,
Speaker 1: Like I've never seen an impeachment hearing turn into a
Speaker 1: democratic showcase like that.
Speaker 7: Listen the Republicans they may not like the terms. That
Speaker 7: is that they are out gunned when it comes to
Speaker 7: the Oversight Committee. And you know, this wasn't really so
Speaker 7: much about defending the president as much as it was
Speaker 7: about process and trying to restore what the process should
Speaker 7: look like and trying to make sure that we didn't
Speaker 7: degradate it or contribute to the degradation of what the
Speaker 7: process is supposed to be. We don't just impeach people
Speaker 7: because we don't like them. We impeach people because we
Speaker 7: have some sort of evidence that leads us to believe
Speaker 7: that this person is a detriment to our country, because
Speaker 7: they have committed high crimes or misdemeanors. And you know,
Speaker 7: for them to try to downplay what happened with the
Speaker 7: previous president and act as if Democrats went off the
Speaker 7: plantation and they were the ones to bring about a
Speaker 7: sham impeachment, it's just disingenuous. And I really wanted to
Speaker 7: make sure the entire team wanted to make sure that
Speaker 7: we not only laid out the fact that they didn't
Speaker 7: even try to bring fact, witnesses or evidence, but more importantly,
Speaker 7: every turn that we have and we give as it
Speaker 7: relates to Trump, they try to pretend as if there's
Speaker 7: nothing to see.
Speaker 1: So you're a lawyer, you come from Texas, you served
Speaker 1: in the Texas House of Representatives, which also had its
Speaker 1: own impeachment. Give me two seconds on that insanity with
Speaker 1: Ken Paxton.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 7: I will applaud the Texas House Speaker Dade Feelin. I
Speaker 7: will also applaud the way that the House worked in
Speaker 7: a bipartisan fat We definitely have our differences in the
Speaker 7: Texas House. There are random times that we come together
Speaker 7: for the overall good, and this was one of those times. Unfortunately,
Speaker 7: the Senate is our problem in Texas As. The Senate
Speaker 7: tends to be the problem in most places, even though
Speaker 7: right now the US Senate is not. The problem is
Speaker 7: definitely the House. It is very disappointing that we consistently
Speaker 7: see senators that just don't have the gumption to do
Speaker 7: what is right, no matter how much there's nothing that
Speaker 7: the impeachment prosecutors could have put on that would have
Speaker 7: made them vote to impeach him. I am convinced of
Speaker 7: that kind of like what we saw with Trump, the
Speaker 7: senators decided that they would not go through and convict him,
Speaker 7: and those convictions are necessary. They're necessary to our democracy,
Speaker 7: at least at a very minimum. I do applaud the
Speaker 7: Texas House for having the gumption to just say enough
Speaker 7: is enough and decide to at least do the impeachment.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you right now, it's seems like
Speaker 1: you had a nine am meeting, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a vote. It seems like the House Democrats are united.
Speaker 5: I mean, we've been united since day one.
Speaker 7: If anybody's been paying attention on anything that was super
Speaker 7: duper monumental or consequential, you didn't see divisions within us.
Speaker 7: I mean, definitely some things happened as relates to the
Speaker 7: debt ceiling, So our overall attitude was absolutely a united attitude.
Speaker 7: On the debt ceiling. We obviously had issues with the
Speaker 7: way that things unfolded. We obviously had trust issues as
Speaker 7: it relates to kind of going forward with the budget conversation.
Speaker 7: So definitely some of us on the further left flank
Speaker 7: were like, we don't want to do this, so we're
Speaker 7: going to go ahead and just say no to this vote.
Speaker 7: But if we needed to do it, we would have.
Speaker 7: And then when it came to keeping the government open,
Speaker 7: we all stood together except for one member, and you know,
Speaker 7: he has a large Ukrainian population, and so obviously it
Speaker 7: was a big slap in their faces. And we all
Speaker 7: stand with Ukraine on the democratic side for sure. But
Speaker 7: we were briefed and we feel confident that we still
Speaker 7: have an opportunity to take care of Ukraine. But we
Speaker 7: could not decide that we would sacrifice those every single
Speaker 7: day and make the Ukraine issue the Wedge issued.
Speaker 1: I think that McCarthy desperately needs some Democrats to save him.
Speaker 1: If they save him, they actually end up setting a
Speaker 1: terrible precedent and it ends up being really problematic for
Speaker 1: any number of reasons. Do you think that there are
Speaker 1: blue dogs in your caucus who will do that or
Speaker 1: do you really think that the caucus is united.
Speaker 7: I think the caucus is united, and I want to
Speaker 7: be clear. You know, there are those that couched our
Speaker 7: last vote as we save McCarthy. Anything that the Democrats
Speaker 7: have done has never been about saving McCarthy. It's always
Speaker 7: been about the American people. Whatever we do today, we
Speaker 7: will do in a united way, and our focus is
Speaker 7: not McCarthy. Our focus has never ever left the America people.
Speaker 7: But to be clear, McCarthy hasn't really done anything that
Speaker 7: is honorable, and that's why he's in this predicament. He's
Speaker 7: not lived up to whatever promises he made to his
Speaker 7: far right flank. He's obviously not lived up to the
Speaker 7: promises that he's made to the president. And you know,
Speaker 7: he essentially went on Sunday morning shows and decided that
Speaker 7: he was going to reinvent the history that took place
Speaker 7: just the day before and say that Republicans were the
Speaker 7: ones that saved the shutdown and that the votes are clear.
Speaker 5: They're very very clear.
Speaker 7: And what I can say is that Republicans are the
Speaker 7: ones that took us to the brink.
Speaker 5: Yet again, that is for sure.
Speaker 7: Republicans are the ones that decided that they did not
Speaker 7: want to engage in conversations with the Democrats. Republicans are
Speaker 7: the ones that decided that they did not want to
Speaker 7: behave in a bipartisan way. And Republicans are the ones
Speaker 7: that are having their own inner war honestly right now.
Speaker 7: Republicans are also the ones that have the pro putent caucus.
Speaker 7: So listen, this is very clear what is going on.
Speaker 7: But I feel very confident in the entirety of my caucus,
Speaker 7: and I think the American people understand. In fact, I
Speaker 7: know that while I was in caucus meeting and I
Speaker 7: couldn't have my phone, I came out and I had
Speaker 7: some messages from some constituents that, honestly, I didn't really
Speaker 7: think they were paying attention. You know, like every day
Speaker 7: working people, They're like do I have food?
Speaker 5: Do I have guess? Do I have my job?
Speaker 7: Do I have my house, right, So I wasn't really
Speaker 7: banking on them paying attention, but I had a few
Speaker 7: messages and they had some very strong feelings about McCarthy really,
Speaker 7: and that's.
Speaker 4: What it was that they felt like I should do.
Speaker 7: And I was shocked that they're paying this close of attention,
Speaker 7: but they are, and I.
Speaker 5: Think that that's a good thing.
Speaker 7: People just want government to function, regardless as to who
Speaker 7: was in control.
Speaker 1: Some of this machination feels like it's two in the
Speaker 1: weeds for voters. Are you surprised that they're involved in this?
Speaker 1: I was completely shocked.
Speaker 7: And you know, I have those constituents that are just
Speaker 7: very big into politics in general, and they're kind of
Speaker 7: always reach you know, I'm talking about people I've never
Speaker 7: heard from. I'm like, I need to double check and
Speaker 7: make sure you're a constituent. But I mean, I mean
Speaker 7: they're telling me like where they live, right, so technically
Speaker 7: they're in the district. And I'm like, okay, Like this
Speaker 7: is great that first of all, they were all on
Speaker 7: the same page, and second of all that you're paying attention.
Speaker 7: You know, I've got to do some interviews with some
Speaker 7: local news folks, like towards the end of the week,
Speaker 7: and I don't know if maybe at home they decided
Speaker 7: to put it on the local news networks what was
Speaker 7: going on that may be what's happening. I'm not really sure,
Speaker 7: but I was really shocked, but in a good way,
Speaker 7: because I want people to pay attention. When I ran
Speaker 7: for office, one of the things that I said is
Speaker 7: that I want to be held accountable because that's one
Speaker 7: of the things that I think we fail to do
Speaker 7: with elected officials. So I am confident in all votes
Speaker 7: that I take. I know that not everyone will ever
Speaker 7: agree with me one hundred percent, but I want to
Speaker 7: hear from my constituents.
Speaker 5: I believe in democracy.
Speaker 7: I believe that I should be challenged if my district
Speaker 7: feels as if I am not truly adequately representing their
Speaker 7: voices in Congress. I believe in this stuff like I
Speaker 7: drink the koul Ai right, I can't really say that
Speaker 7: the other side really believes in how we are supposed
Speaker 7: to function, as evidence by the way that they have functions.
Speaker 7: I think that Matt Gates is an attention whrror, and
Speaker 7: I think that the media helps him out.
Speaker 5: With that because this is a half baked idea.
Speaker 7: There is no way that anyone under Nancy Pelosi, regardless
Speaker 7: of how they may have felt about her, would not
Speaker 7: have orchestrated anything of the kind, even if it only
Speaker 7: took one vote. They wouldn't have done it simply because
Speaker 7: you can't do this in a half baked way. This
Speaker 7: is half baked. He has no plan, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the question. So they remove McCarthy
Speaker 1: and there's no one else. I mean, does anyone even
Speaker 1: want this job in the Republican Party.
Speaker 7: If they have any semblance of a mind, they would
Speaker 7: not want this job at all, because, mind you, he's being.
Speaker 4: Baked because he managed to keep the government open.
Speaker 7: Like what world are we living in where the biggest
Speaker 7: problem that we have is that we're going to keep
Speaker 7: the government open, that we're gonna make sure that the
Speaker 7: people that work hardest for us, the people that they've
Speaker 7: been really against and complaining about and saying that they're
Speaker 7: not working hard enough that they don't need to work
Speaker 7: at home, the people that are complaining because our constituents
Speaker 7: are calling us telling us that they can't get passports and.
Speaker 4: All the things, and they're saying, never mind, shut it out.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 7: But it also doesn't make sense that the terrible bills
Speaker 7: that he's keeping us here for the next two weeks,
Speaker 7: even though we were supposed to be at home and
Speaker 7: have our district work period for these two weeks. They're
Speaker 7: just messaging bills. He's not trying to govern. These bills
Speaker 7: have no chance of making it through the Senate, no
Speaker 7: chance of making it to the President's desk and being
Speaker 7: signed into law because they are way too draconian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I was actually going to ask you,
Speaker 1: was if the Speaker gets removed and there's no one,
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily matter per se, because I mean, the
Speaker 1: only thing he's been able to do is name all
Speaker 1: those post office right.
Speaker 5: That is true.
Speaker 7: There's nothing that he's attempted to work on in a
Speaker 7: bipartisan way, and there's no clean way that I can
Speaker 7: see for us to truly hold McCarthy to a new
Speaker 7: standard and say, listen, you can continue to be beholden.
Speaker 5: To this very small.
Speaker 7: Radical caucus, or you can just walk across the aisle
Speaker 7: and meet us in the middle. I mean to have
Speaker 7: conversations with Republicans that are voting for bills that they
Speaker 7: don't even believe in.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm asking, I'm.
Speaker 7: Like, how could you vote for this, say for agriculture, right, agriculture,
Speaker 7: they want to cut funding all the way down to
Speaker 7: two thousand and seven numbers. We're dealing with the farm
Speaker 7: bill this year, and our farmers are hurting. We see
Speaker 7: what's going on as relates the climate change, those climate
Speaker 7: issues that we're having, these climate emergencies. They're not just happening,
Speaker 7: say in Florida to the non farmers, right, They're happening everywhere,
Speaker 7: and our farmers are hurting, and our farmers are the
Speaker 7: ones that make sure that we can all eat. And
Speaker 7: so the idea that you say, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 7: going to make sure there's less money. We're going to
Speaker 7: go to two thousand and seven numbers, which means that
Speaker 7: we've not adjusted for regular inflation, let alone hyperinflation. And
Speaker 7: they've decided that crypto is now a commodity that falls
Speaker 7: under agriculture. So we've passed the bad partisan bill where
Speaker 7: we said ninety million dollars for an agency to make
Speaker 7: sure that they can oversee crypto, like in what world?
Speaker 4: So I'm like, why are y'all voting for this.
Speaker 3: Terrible ag bill?
Speaker 7: And it's also that they can say, well, you know what,
Speaker 7: we've bought a cut spending like no, no, no, Let's tell
Speaker 7: the real story in real life, if you don't have
Speaker 7: the money that you need, but you've got necessities. You've
Speaker 7: got to keep the roof, you've got to make sure
Speaker 7: that you've got a car, You've got to make sure
Speaker 7: you've got guess, you got to make sure you've got food.
Speaker 4: You got to make sure you've got health care.
Speaker 7: You got to make sure that you have these necessities covered.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Real people in.
Speaker 7: The real world a lot of times end up going
Speaker 7: to get in the second job or a third job.
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying that that's right, but people do
Speaker 7: what they've got to do to serve. So the idea
Speaker 7: that the Republicans refused to look for any other way
Speaker 7: to bring in more money, which means that we tax
Speaker 7: the rich.
Speaker 4: That's the problem. We can't survive this way.
Speaker 1: So do you think there's a world in which Democrats
Speaker 1: are open to a power sharing agreement with the Republicans?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: I absolutely think there's a world.
Speaker 7: The problem is that we don't have an honorable broker
Speaker 7: on the other side of the deal that would enter
Speaker 7: into such an agreement.
Speaker 5: That we could say we can trust this. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: There's really no one to trust on the Republican side, right.
Speaker 5: There really isn't. I don't know who it would be.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think that leadership has a better idea
Speaker 7: of some potential options because they've been here longer. But
Speaker 7: anybody that probably is semi trustworthy probably would never.
Speaker 5: Get the votes. That's the reality.
Speaker 7: Like, they probably wouldn't get the votes because that far
Speaker 7: right flank again would not want to see that person.
Speaker 7: Matt is having a conundrum because things are passing in
Speaker 7: a bipartisan way. I don't know when we got to
Speaker 7: this world, but this is the world that we're living
Speaker 7: in where we have a House that's run by Republicans
Speaker 7: that don't believe in bipartisanship and somehow can't recognize you know,
Speaker 7: I feel like we should take them back to the
Speaker 7: YouTube video of like how you do a bill or whatever? Right, Like,
Speaker 7: you're never going to get this crap through the Senate
Speaker 7: and to the President and get him to sign it anyway,
Speaker 7: you may as well work in a bipartisan way, right.
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's the thing. It's just incredible to watch
Speaker 1: Republicans scramble. Does Trump want Gates to shut down the government?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, No, absolutely, Gates is just a tool, and he
Speaker 7: is trying to be as extreme as he can, kind
Speaker 7: of like his failed governor who is about to go
Speaker 7: down in this Republican primary. You know, Gates, it's our
Speaker 7: understanding he wants to become the governor of Florida. So
Speaker 7: the more extreme and radical he acts, the more points
Speaker 7: he feels like he puts up on the scoreboard with
Speaker 7: Trump as well as the extremists, and he's thinking that
Speaker 7: he's most likely in a good position to get the
Speaker 7: governor's mansion in Florida. Unfortunately, we need him so function
Speaker 7: as a responsible congress person at this moment, you know,
Speaker 7: because one of the things that had been discussed widely
Speaker 7: was this idea of the disaster funding and hoping that
Speaker 7: that would entice the lights of.
Speaker 4: A Matt Gate. I mean, it's like, dude, you're in Florida.
Speaker 7: Your constituency is directly impacted by shutting this down because
Speaker 7: we know that this emergency disaster funding will become problematic,
Speaker 7: and you still voted against it, Like you're not voting
Speaker 7: your district at all.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, that's that's just what they.
Speaker 1: Do, so important and so true. Congresswoman Crockett, we have
Speaker 1: to let you get to let you get to your vote.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you your time so much. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Absolutely have a good one.
Speaker 1: Ben Collins is a senior investigative reporter for NBC News.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Ben Collins.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bradley Mulley.
Speaker 1: What is going on? This is a wild story. First
Speaker 1: of all, how tell us the top line and how
Speaker 1: did you discover those?
Speaker 6: Basically, there is this text that was sent to Elon
Speaker 6: Musk about ten days before he bought Twitter that outlines
Speaker 6: almost exactly what you would do for the next eighteen
Speaker 6: months after he bought the company. It was a link
Speaker 6: to an article by it's guy named Darren Batty. Oh
Speaker 6: and Darren Beatty, Yeah, you might know this if you're
Speaker 6: deep in the weeds on what i'd call rat bookers
Speaker 6: on yes, really try to mess with politics from the
Speaker 6: inside out. You probably know Darren Beatty, frequent guest on
Speaker 6: Tucker Carlson's show, a big guy in that space. You
Speaker 6: probably know him best from being fired from the Trump
Speaker 6: White House. He was a speechwriter for Stephen Miller and
Speaker 6: some other people. In the truck White House.
Speaker 1: It turned out to be a white nationalist, right. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Basically he spoke along this guy on a panel who
Speaker 6: runs this White House I supposed to called v Dare.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, v Dare I remember yet?
Speaker 7: Go on?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So he writes this thing. It's basically, here's what
Speaker 6: Elon Musk will do once he buys Twitter. Ten days
Speaker 6: after the story comes out, Elon buyer, and then it
Speaker 6: outlines basically exactly what happened. It talks about him losing
Speaker 6: all of his regular users once he lest right wires
Speaker 6: back on, bar right people back on. Then it says
Speaker 6: he should blame the ADL for it, which is like
Speaker 6: most people in the last few weeks, Elon's spewed to
Speaker 6: the ADL came out of nowhere, wildly antismitic, which it is.
Speaker 6: There was precedence for this in this sphere where Darren
Speaker 6: Batty lives. It really lines up one to one. It
Speaker 6: even talks about things like being softer on Russia. He
Speaker 6: says that Russia in this game plan has been canceled
Speaker 6: right using the George Floyd tactic is what it says
Speaker 6: in there. So it lines up one to one, not
Speaker 6: only with Elon's politics but with his decisions, and that
Speaker 6: text was revealed last year in a lawsuit from when
Speaker 6: Elon tried to back out of buying Twitter. Twitter actually
Speaker 6: sued Elon to go through with that enormous inflated purchase
Speaker 6: price that Elon off. The issue is a big problem
Speaker 6: that we had for nine months in looking into these texts,
Speaker 6: is we still don't know who sent him this text. Right,
Speaker 6: That's what my colleague, Lord Colauney, and I have been
Speaker 6: trying to deduce for nine months. But this is this
Speaker 6: is our last like tree shaking thing that we can do.
Speaker 6: We can say what we know here. The judge in
Speaker 6: the Delaware Chancery Court has said that whoever sent this
Speaker 6: doesn't have to be revealed necessarily. There are people that
Speaker 6: have this document, with this unredacted document that says who
Speaker 6: you sent this text. If you're one of those people,
Speaker 6: just please hit me up because I would love to know.
Speaker 1: I always think that it's never the person playing three
Speaker 1: dimensional chass because like, I came of age in the time,
Speaker 1: and came of age is obviously hyperbole, but of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: So I always think it's like awk, I'm stupid, Right,
Speaker 1: It's always this straight line. So this would in fact
Speaker 1: point to the idea that Elon is not just like Trump,
Speaker 1: that he's not just sort of trying to stay alive
Speaker 1: another day, but that he does have a grand plan.
Speaker 6: So it's kept to a lot of people on the
Speaker 6: Elon speats throughout this space other than the tech world.
Speaker 6: They come out from that end, from the sort of
Speaker 6: culty alternative lifestyle world that need in habits as well,
Speaker 6: and they all basically have combed to the same conclusion.
Speaker 6: A person can have a plan that sucks, right, Like,
Speaker 6: the plan can be really dumb, right, and you can
Speaker 6: follow through the plan that might even be detrimental to you.
Speaker 6: It can definitely be detrimental to most people, but it's
Speaker 6: still a plan, and that's basically what this was. And
Speaker 6: this story sort of outlines that as well. It talks
Speaker 6: Darren Baby's plan says, look, you're going to lose a
Speaker 6: lot of your money. You should buy this company out right,
Speaker 6: and you're going to lose a lot of your money.
Speaker 6: All the advertisers will flee. They're all in on it
Speaker 6: on this big globalist American agenda. But only you, sir,
Speaker 6: only you can take down the globalist American Empire says
Speaker 6: it like that in that article. So this is his
Speaker 6: Blaze of Glory. And by the way, that's the nickname
Speaker 6: for the app when you look it up in the
Speaker 6: app store now x Twitter, it says Blazier Glory, right,
Speaker 6: And that's what this is. He's going out in guns
Speaker 6: a blazing. That's what this looks like.
Speaker 1: So what does it say that he's going to do next.
Speaker 6: So that's sort of the issue with this whole thing
Speaker 6: is that it sort of ends at destroy everything and
Speaker 6: leave everything in rubble. Like this story doesn't have like
Speaker 6: a like a lot of things. Steve Bannon accolytes think
Speaker 6: it's mostly just about tearing things apart and then rebuilding
Speaker 6: from there, and they assume that, you know, people can
Speaker 6: capitalize from there. That's the issue with this. This story
Speaker 6: ends with Twitter being form apart, there being no direct
Speaker 6: line to the news anymore, people being lost in the
Speaker 6: information ecosystem being hasn't happened. But the issue is there
Speaker 6: is no plan from here. That's sort of the issue
Speaker 6: with Dan and Knight politics as it is, you know,
Speaker 6: the the baby Tucker Carlson style thing. It's all about
Speaker 6: getting rid of these guys you think are in the
Speaker 6: way the ADL or you know whatever that ethnic substitute
Speaker 6: you would be for that, you know, getting the Clinton's
Speaker 6: out or getting the Biden's out or getting the obamasucking
Speaker 6: always by the way, but there's no replacement. They think
Speaker 6: it's a step to a white national style state, but
Speaker 6: there is no land from here. It's just destruction.
Speaker 1: So the next plan is just flood the zone. Was
Speaker 1: a conservative media conservative with with al right media and
Speaker 1: hope that that somehow wins use the election in twenty four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, confusion and panic and chaos and maya, that's the plan.
Speaker 6: And also, by the way, this helps Elon's business interest.
Speaker 6: You know, there are a lot of regulators we're sort
Speaker 6: of zeroing in on Elon about full self driving the
Speaker 6: Tesla thing that right is not full or self and
Speaker 6: also SpaceX, which had a pretty disastrous launch that because
Speaker 6: of Twitter they were able to reframe as you know,
Speaker 6: a successful mission, things like that.
Speaker 1: But that is there now.
Speaker 6: Under particularly through need from regulatory age these so that
Speaker 6: has been helpful to him, Like the chaos is helpful
Speaker 6: in the interim, and this state is pretty good, pretty
Speaker 6: good place for Elon to be right now, he gets
Speaker 6: to have control over the pipeline to then do this,
Speaker 6: and this is basically where I think he wanted to
Speaker 6: end up. This is a good situation, especially considering you know,
Speaker 6: all the contenders have also sort of failed to launch
Speaker 6: or have gone up and burst into blames immediately.
Speaker 1: But he can't service the DAD. I mean, even though
Speaker 1: he's the richest man in the world, he still has
Speaker 1: to service the DAD. So ideologically this he's winning. But financially,
Speaker 1: even though he's the richest man in the world, isn't
Speaker 1: this ultimately unsustainable?
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course it's understandable. In fact, like it's kind
Speaker 6: of crazy to be a better progress built a lot
Speaker 6: of people. Again, a lot of people sort of benefit
Speaker 6: from the destruction of a very useful citizen journalist pipeline
Speaker 6: that we've built over the last ten years.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: You know, Saudi's are also part of people who invested
Speaker 6: in this in China as well. You don't want people
Speaker 6: finding out about human rights abuses and then those things
Speaker 6: going viral and then the news having to cover them.
Speaker 6: So I'm not saying that they are I don't I
Speaker 6: have no information on this. This This here is expect right,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying they're in on it. I don't know
Speaker 6: any about that, but I will say that it is
Speaker 6: probably a better news environment for them than where we
Speaker 6: were before, where Jamal Kashobi's death could be at amplified
Speaker 6: all day long as like the number one trend on Twitter.
Speaker 6: Now it would be muddied with a bunch of I
Speaker 6: would say, stupid bullshit.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you feel comfortable cursing here. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to be like the boring finance person here, but there's
Speaker 1: still no way for Elon to service this debt. So
Speaker 1: sooner or later X ends up owned by the bank.
Speaker 6: Yes, at some point they will come calling on this stuff.
Speaker 6: It depends on I just don't know when that is right.
Speaker 6: And the banks also a lot of these places have
Speaker 6: money tied up in the myth of Elon and other
Speaker 6: sectors right right in SpaceX and Tesla and the boring
Speaker 6: company in all your places. Just because that myth of
Speaker 6: Elon has been exposed through this, they still have to
Speaker 6: make it work on these other places.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, it definitely appears like he went rogue with
Speaker 6: his stuff, and the respectable parts of finance now have
Speaker 6: to come collect the bag. But I don't know how
Speaker 6: long this can last. You're exactly right, moll. This is
Speaker 6: not something that a person who in good stead would
Speaker 6: want their money tied up into.
Speaker 1: I mean it was purchased for forty four billion dollars,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people have billions of dollars invested
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 6: It's not a pretty seat, it really isn't.
Speaker 1: Is there some reason why Threads has had such inability
Speaker 1: to capture the market share?
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a series of things, Like the
Speaker 6: magic of Twitter is that it really did drive the
Speaker 6: news it drives still to this day. The ability to
Speaker 6: sort of sort of aimlessly yell at power get people's attention.
Speaker 6: Did you see that thing this weekend with the liftcats situation? Now, okay,
Speaker 6: there was this guy who was going to the vet
Speaker 6: and he left his hat on the other side of
Speaker 6: the footwell nearsid of the car, and then he got
Speaker 6: out of the car to go to the other side
Speaker 6: of the car to cat up, and the driver drove
Speaker 6: away and then wouldn't respond to him and literally left
Speaker 6: cat on the side of the road. I mean, I
Speaker 6: was personally like angry on behalf of him and this
Speaker 6: guy went to Reddit and the Austin section of Reddit,
Speaker 6: and he was like, I don't what to do. They
Speaker 6: were like, everyone is like call the police, call the police,
Speaker 6: please it. And then they were like, go on Twitter
Speaker 6: and we'll flip a shit right right, and we'll yell
Speaker 6: Lift until they do something. And then they did, right.
Speaker 6: So this guy goes on Twitter. He goes viral on Twitter.
Speaker 6: Lift sends a team of investigators to go searching around
Speaker 6: every possible area to find his cat.
Speaker 1: And then they do.
Speaker 6: They find this cat that's covered and Fleess dehided at
Speaker 6: all this stuff, but Lift sends all these employees out
Speaker 6: to go find this guy's cat because of this monstrous Lifter.
Speaker 6: Good that there is the magic of Twitter. Thread stuff
Speaker 6: now that still goes on for now. Yes, that still
Speaker 6: goes off now because Lift is still there. There's a
Speaker 6: way to scream up right right in Twitter. There is
Speaker 6: there is a way to basically get in the year
Speaker 6: of power on Twitter. You can't really do it on threads,
Speaker 6: which feels like the mall blue sky too small.
Speaker 1: Why is threads so hard to use? Like they have
Speaker 1: so much money and yet it's so hard to use.
Speaker 6: Because all those things that has mentioned right. That was
Speaker 6: a side effect of Twitter that wound up being the
Speaker 6: most important part of it. There's no impetus for Facebook
Speaker 6: to build a platform where people can stream at lift
Speaker 6: until somebody does something, or people can create a protest
Speaker 6: movement or something. That's the most important part on Twitter.
Speaker 6: But no venture capitalist, no part of big money would
Speaker 6: intentionally build a website like that. Now that's insane to
Speaker 6: how they view power. So like they were trying to
Speaker 6: make a nice little stream service on threads that kind
Speaker 6: of mirrored Twitter, right, but it didn't have that sort
Speaker 6: of It didn't have the same functionality. And that's on purpose.
Speaker 6: That's how it gets complicated, is to build something like this.
Speaker 1: It can't.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to come from one of
Speaker 6: the big players because there is no reason for them
Speaker 6: can make one.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to go to the Mally confession part
Speaker 1: of the interview.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I come from like a lot of privilege
Speaker 1: and I'm married to someone who's the venture capital has
Speaker 1: focused as in education, but who does do this. And
Speaker 1: I always thought that there would be like good capitalism
Speaker 1: would win over bad capitalism and save the world. I'm
Speaker 1: starting to think that was a little naive.
Speaker 6: Look, I don't know. I'm sorry to get into that.
Speaker 6: That is a I would say, literally above my pay
Speaker 6: gader mine too. In this instance, it's not a great scenario, right,
Speaker 6: I just thought we were smarter than this. A guy
Speaker 6: bought the pipes to the news and instead of the
Speaker 6: news covering it, Like, I can't believe a guy bought
Speaker 6: the pipes, they just covered what his whims are. Instead
Speaker 6: they covered the spectacle and the cult of personality. Maybe
Speaker 6: I should have expected that co thirty what happened with
Speaker 6: dolld chom right, But cover the pipes, Cover why he
Speaker 6: was so interested in doing that, Cover how he's changing
Speaker 6: the way we get information, like instead because that the
Speaker 6: game is rigged in this way, if you have enough money,
Speaker 6: you can just buy the news screened it.
Speaker 1: It does seem to me though, like when you read
Speaker 1: his tweets, he does not sound like someone who feels
Speaker 1: he won. Like he feels like someone who is desperately
Speaker 1: like selling lemonade on the street. And when you get
Speaker 1: Linda Yakarino, the two of them, you know they're like
Speaker 1: the you know, he is like going to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: You should post on X, this is really great, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's the richest man in the world, Like he
Speaker 1: feels like he's like a shoe salesman. So clearly he
Speaker 1: has some anxiety because every tweet is like, now we've
Speaker 1: decentralized news. Stop reading legacy media. Only read my weird
Speaker 1: friend who lives in Singapore and posts you know, strange memes.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you think though, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem from his point of view, from what I gather
Speaker 1: from his information, that he feels he's winning.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I do think you thought people would bend
Speaker 6: the knee by that point, right, I think that's you know,
Speaker 6: with most of these sort of fascist autocrat fantasies, the
Speaker 6: idea is to crush people into submission and everyone will
Speaker 6: be in the knee, and it never actually works out
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: You might be able to make a lot of people
Speaker 6: very upset or sound people, but you never actually win
Speaker 6: the culture war because your culture war is making people's
Speaker 6: lives worse. Right, it's just like like the very basic
Speaker 6: things that I like, or else we will call you slurs.
Speaker 6: That's not really you want a good pluralistic society, right exactly.
Speaker 6: I do think he thought he would win by now,
Speaker 6: and it is I would say, the testament to both
Speaker 6: the human spirit and the concept of what we are
Speaker 6: as found free that he has not done that. But
Speaker 6: we are in the middle of this real information war, yeah,
Speaker 6: real operational war, and the way it was expressed by him,
Speaker 6: his weapon was a particularly vile in months long tantrum.
Speaker 1: The goal here was to change hearts and minds. Right,
Speaker 1: So he clearly isn't winning the elite like you and I.
Speaker 1: I mean that ironically obviously that whatever we work for
Speaker 1: legacy media. But will he change hearts and minds or
Speaker 1: is it just too soon to know?
Speaker 6: I do think that he has, and I think that
Speaker 6: this is a long If you talk to people with
Speaker 6: eleven year old boys right now, yeah, it's fifty chances
Speaker 6: that they're into Andrew Tate because that's the averag dozen, right,
Speaker 6: and Tat is in the same world that elon It's right,
Speaker 6: and that's not a thing that manifests until not just voters,
Speaker 6: but in society so much later on, and having those
Speaker 6: thoughts and beliefs is so dangerous not just to women
Speaker 6: but to how we operate. Like culture wars don't happen
Speaker 6: on a second by a second basis, I would say
Speaker 6: they don't even happen on a like electoral cycle by
Speaker 6: electoral cycle basis. I think they happen in big swaths,
Speaker 6: and they're in waves that you can particularly tell us
Speaker 6: they're happening while we sit here and make fun of
Speaker 6: them and we're like, oh, you can't be winning because
Speaker 6: he sounds so ridiculous and sounds like he's throwing a fit.
Speaker 1: Right, he still could be winning even if we don't.
Speaker 1: We really don't know what's happening because we really can't
Speaker 1: trust any of the pole line.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I completely agree with that, and I don't think
Speaker 6: anybody has appropriately called anybody under the age of thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, correctly in severals.
Speaker 6: And I think that people are saying look closer to
Speaker 6: those abortion special election votes than to look at the
Speaker 6: actual polls. I think probably right, But we just don't know.
Speaker 6: We won't know until next ship.
Speaker 1: Ben Collins bringing the Nightmare Fuel, Thank you very much, Thank.
Speaker 6: You, Molly No moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly junk Fast.
Speaker 1: The last episode, we were laughing about the Republicans being
Speaker 1: in disarray, but like the infighting right now, this is
Speaker 1: like nothing in our lifetimes, right, m TV. The motion
Speaker 1: to vacate has made the GOP cr azy, including the
Speaker 1: facial hair festooned Chip Roy, who told Matt Gates he
Speaker 1: could kiss his ass. I think that is a not
Speaker 1: not suitable for cable news, but okay for podcasting. Unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1: Republicans are in disarray. We'll see if Kevin McCarthy survives
Speaker 1: another day, but odds are now. Let's not forget when
Speaker 1: people are bragging about the Republicans' accomplishments of this Congress
Speaker 1: that they're getting laughed at. That's it for this episode
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