1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: Terrence Bates. The IRS is bracing for funding cuts under 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: the incoming Trump administration. In the meantime, Treasury officials are 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: calling on Congress to unlock twenty billion dollars in IRS 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: enforcement money that's tied up and virtually frozen. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: The IRS hopes. 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: Those funds will be released during upcoming budget negotiations, but 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: either way, it has caused for concern among taxpayers, as 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the agency could get more aggressive in its collection efforts 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: given the potential for such a big shortfall. Cameron Kinsey 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: from tax Network USA joins me now to discuss how 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: our company can help if you find yourself in the 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: crosshairs of the IRS. Cameron, good afternoon and good morning 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: to you. So let's talk about. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: It this way. 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: Why is it so important to use professional tax services 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: like tax Network USA specifically. 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: Well, look, the IRS relies on a confusing tax code 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: to trap everyday Americans. But at tax Network USA, we 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: don't let that hap, and we fight to make sure 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: you don't pay a cent more than you owe, while 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 3: protecting you from the government's increasingly aggressive tactics that we've 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 3: seen under the Biden Harris administration with the eighty seven 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: thousand IRS agents, also the eighty billion dollars allocated towards 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: the Inflation Reduction Act, the so called Inflation Reduction Act. Now, 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: more than ever, the IRS is ramping up and it's 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: increasingly getting. 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 4: More and more aggressive. So we are protecting you from 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: this government overreach. 30 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Talk about some of. 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: The aggressive actions that the IRS is taking, some of 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: what you're hearing from some of your clients. 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we've actually helped and this is where I'll 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: give you some insight of what we've helped with as 35 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: well as of recently, but we've helped clients achieve significant 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: reductions in their tax that obtain penalty abatements, even secure 37 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: favorable offer and compromise deals that have basically allowed them 38 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: to settle for much less than they owed. But even recently, 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: we saved a veteran owned business thousands of dollars when 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: the IRS unfairly targeted them. 41 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: One should show how powerful the right help can be. 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: Like I said, they hired eighty seven thousand IRS agents, 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: so they're targeting everyday Americans like the ones that are 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: watching this show today, and it can be a huge 45 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 3: burden at home, so we make sure that we're lifting 46 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: that off your plate so you can go home and 47 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: be comfortable with your friends and your family and don't 48 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: have to worry about the successive government overreach. 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a difficult Thanksgiving dinner if you're 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: thinking about having to face the IRS on Monday after 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: sitting down with your family on Thursday. So talk about 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: the kind of clients you typically work with. I'm sure 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: it's a pretty diverse kind of group. 54 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, we work with everyday Americans, families, small business owners, 55 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: patriots who just believe in their financial independence. 56 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: They want to keep their money, their. 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: Hard earned money in their own pocket and not going 58 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: towards the government. Whether you're avoiding overpayment or just tackling 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: basic IRS issues, We're here to simplify the process and 60 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: protect what you've earn. 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: So talk about the process. 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: How long does it typically take from the initial consultation 63 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: to an actual resolution of the tax issue that someone 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: may come to you for. 65 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: It generally varies. 66 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: I would say a couple months to a year, just 67 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: depending on the complexity of your case. However, when that 68 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: October deadline hit, we actually were able to streamline a 69 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: lot of our clients and. 70 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 4: Help them out at a faster rate. 71 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: Basically, the sooner you reach out, the faster we can 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: push back against the IRS to secure the best outcome 73 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: for you. 74 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: And what is a consultation like? You know, I'm listening 75 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: to this right now and I say, you know, I 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: want to find out more? How do we start? What 77 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of information do I need to even get the 78 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: ball rolling? How does all that work? 79 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: Oh? 80 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely so our firm. 81 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: Basically, while others focus on basic tax preparation, we take 82 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: it further by protecting you from unnecessary government interference and 83 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: sharing you keep more of what you've earned. 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: And our team doesn't just handle the numbers. 85 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: We stand up against this overreach with expert knowledge of 86 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: tax law and a strong dedication to safeguarding your financial future. 87 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: It's super, super easy to get started with us. 88 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: You can visit contact dot TNUSA dot com or call 89 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: one eight hundred. 90 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: Nine zero five eight zero zero zero. 91 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: You can mention that you heard about us on this show, 92 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: but with the IRS stepping up, it's important enforcement. Now 93 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: is definitely the time to act and we'll protect your 94 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: finances and your freedom from unnecessary government interference. You can 95 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: talk to somebody directly on the phone or fill out 96 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: the form and somebody from our team will take care 97 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: of you. 98 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Cameron Kensie, We appreciate your time. Thanks so much for 99 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: joining us. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. 100 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 2: Cameron. Again, the information is right there on your screen. 101 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Visit TANUSA dot com or call eight hundred nine oh 102 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: five eight thousand. That's a quick check of your headlines. 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 6: Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us as always Freedom at 104 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 6: Charliekirk dot com. Joining us for the entire hour is 105 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 6: the legendary Glenn Greenwald, independent journalist, host of System Update 106 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 6: on Rumble dot com. Glenn, Welcome to the program. 107 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 7: Glenn. 108 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 6: Your journalism has been terrific over the years and your 109 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 6: commentary as well. I want to get into this pod 110 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 6: Save America story because I think it's hilarious and delicious. 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 6: But I want to get you on the show. Here, 112 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 6: just your reaction and takeaway. First of President Trump's triumph, 113 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 6: the intel agencies were against him, the apparatus of the 114 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 6: government and the regime was against him, and the American 115 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 6: people spoke kind of what is your initial takeaway three 116 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 6: weeks now removed from President Trump's comeback victory. 117 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 8: I thought The most important and beneficial outcome of the 118 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 8: twenty sixteen election when Trump won, was that it had 119 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 8: so severely undermined the leading institutions of authority, which up 120 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 8: until that point had seemed almost invulnerable. These were the 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 8: people who controlled the foe of information, who dictated public 122 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 8: opinion without much dissent, who controlled the policy and ideology 123 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 8: that governed Washington. Regardless of the outcome of election, it 124 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 8: was that DC bipartisan consensus and Trump's victory shattered so 125 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 8: much of their sense of invulnerability because they were all 126 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 8: united against him, They were all guaranteeing everybody that he 127 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 8: was going to lose. He was completely anathema to the 128 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 8: sort of person that they expected would and all had 129 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 8: been and would always be entering the presidency. But I 130 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 8: think there was almost a subconscious level, even though it 131 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 8: damaged them, on which they wrote it off as an aberration. 132 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 8: Twenty twenty, despite all the challenges in the world that 133 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 8: every incumbent globally faced because of COVID, he almost won again, 134 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 8: And I think this time. 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 9: They really devoted themselves. They tripled and quadrupled their effort. 136 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 8: In so many different ways, calling him hitler and a 137 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 8: fascist and a white supremacist all the way up until 138 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 8: the day of the election, only to realize. And I 139 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 8: think this is the most traumatic part for them, not 140 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 8: just that he won, but that so many of the 141 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 8: groups that they believe they own, Blockstop and Beryl, who 142 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 8: have an entitlement to obey them, migrated in huge numbers 143 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 8: away from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to the person 144 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 8: that they've been saying as a white supremacist, black voters, 145 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 8: Latino voters, non white voters. And I think they're finding 146 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 8: now starting to internalize that nobody listens to them, nobody 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 8: trusts them any longer, they have zero influence beyond the 148 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 8: people who already agree with them, that this kind of 149 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 8: power over information has been decentralized because deservedly they've lost 150 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 8: trust because of how often they lie. And Trump has 151 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 8: been more than anything else, and there's a lot of 152 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 8: things he's been, but he's been a disruptor of status 153 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 8: quo institutional authority. And I don't think there's anyone who 154 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 8: could do anything other than to celebrate. 155 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 7: That without a doubt. 156 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 6: And so that kind of is a nice segue to 157 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 6: the Pod Save America conversation for people that don't know. 158 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 6: Pod Save America is like regime approved, sarcastic political chatter. 159 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 7: On the left right. 160 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: It is one of the top podcasts on the planet. 161 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 6: It's all the former Obama bros. They got all the 162 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 6: guests they think they know so much. They had General 163 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 6: Malley Dylan on the program, who was kind of walking 164 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 6: through how things happen. I want to play some tape, 165 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 6: but first, Glenn, just just set the table for the audience. 166 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 6: Why did you find this conversation so illuminating? 167 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 9: I was just driving with your. 168 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 8: Producer that in a million years, I honestly never thought 169 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 8: I would ever be able to sit through an hour 170 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 8: and a half of a Pod Save America episode, And 171 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 8: yet I proved myself wrong because. 172 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 9: I cannot take my eyes off of it. 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 8: These are people who all come from Obama world. So 174 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 8: even though Obama was a very talented candidate and one 175 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 8: at national elections, underneath Obama the whole time, the Democratic 176 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 8: Party was crumbling. They lost governorships and state houses, and 177 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 8: it was really a party in complete disaster, just kind 178 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 8: of with the stench, you know, covered up by the 179 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 8: shine of Obama. And these people came away from that 180 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 8: thinking that they were the greatest geniuses in all of politics, 181 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 8: and they were the ones who exercised the most influenced 182 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 8: over Kamala's campaign. The purpose of this episode was to 183 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 8: convene the geniuses who ran Kamala's campaign and try and 184 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 8: ask them honestly, Hey, what happened. 185 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 9: You just raised a billion dollars. 186 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 8: Infinitely more than Trump, far more than any other candidate, 187 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 8: and you got your assets cared up and down every 188 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 8: one of the swing states. You've lost major margins in 189 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 8: the most blue states like New York and California and 190 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 8: New Jersey, and you even lost the popular vote, so 191 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 8: that you would expect there to be at least some 192 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 8: symbolic or feigned acknowledgment of error. 193 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 9: Here are things we probably. 194 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 8: Did wrong, Here are reasons why the electorate has rejected. 195 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 9: There was none of that. 196 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 8: It was all we did the best campaign we could 197 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 8: possibly have run under the limited circumstances. 198 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 9: There was a lot of implication that it was the 199 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 9: voter's fault. 200 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 8: There was a lot of suggestions that just the structural 201 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 8: conditions of the economy and Biden's unpopularity made it impossible 202 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 8: to win. And the whole time, I'm thinking whose fault? 203 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 8: Is it that your candidate ended up being imposed on 204 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 8: the public with no primary vote, no mini election within 205 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 8: your party, someone who had been long considered to be 206 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 8: one of the least politically talented people on the planet. 207 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 8: They were acting like these were externalities over which they 208 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 8: had no control when they were the. 209 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 9: Ones who did it. And how do you, Charlie. 210 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 8: Is somebody at the top of year profession making millions 211 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 8: of dollars which they do up these campaigns, walk away 212 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 8: from one of the most devastating defeats in a long 213 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 8: time to Donald Trumps, someone they consider a hilarium figure 214 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 8: and a white supremacist, and not have an iota of. 215 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 9: Self reflection or self. 216 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 8: Doubt about what they might have done to contribute to 217 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 8: that loss. But that's exact exactly what it was ninety minutes, 218 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 8: not just of refusing to admit. 219 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 9: Error, but congratulating themselves. 220 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 8: Oh, we ran an spectacular campaign under the limitations no 221 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 8: one k who she was. We really made people excited 222 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 8: about her. We lost with Wes margin in the sling 223 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 8: stage than we did in the other stage, which proved 224 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 8: that some of our work actually had I mean, I 225 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 8: always want to watch it again because of just how 226 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 8: simultaneously mind boggling it is, but also how revealing it 227 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 8: is about how this rotted political class thinks. 228 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 6: I want to play James Carville's reaction to Kamalis staffers 229 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 6: here play cut fifty seven. 230 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 10: I was probably was thinking about going on Joe Rogan's show, 231 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 10: and a lot of the younger progressive staffers pitched a 232 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 10: hissy fit. Supposed a campaign, said that that wasn't the 233 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 10: term effected, but they did. When you put a campaign 234 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 10: together and you hire young people to do work, let 235 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 10: me tell you exactly what you tealty people what I 236 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 10: would tell him. Not only am I not interested in 237 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 10: your opinion. I'm not even going to call you by 238 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 10: your name. You're twenty three years old. I don't really 239 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 10: give it what you say. 240 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 6: What James Carville is getting at is that they were 241 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 6: unwilling to even go sit down with Joe Rogan. You've 242 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 6: been on Rogan many times, Glenn, and the whole joke. 243 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 6: They're like, well, how do we get a new Rogan? Well, 244 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 6: you guys used to have Rogan Glenn here. 245 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 9: Yeah. 246 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 8: I mean, first of all, just let's recall, while we're 247 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 8: talking about James Carvill, that he wrote article after article 248 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 8: including The New York Times, saying that not only did 249 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 8: he believe Kamlo was going to win the election, but 250 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 8: he didn't think it was going to be close, that 251 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 8: he had no doubts about it, that he had absolute 252 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 8: certainty about it. And maybe that was just some activism, 253 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 8: but that is what he said repeatedly, and he turned 254 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 8: out to be just as wrong as anybody else. 255 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 9: Maybe he should be listening to people a little bit more. 256 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 8: But I think one of the things that's so funny 257 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 8: that people have forgotten is that for all this talk 258 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 8: about how the left. 259 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 9: Needs Joe Rogan, as you said, the left had. 260 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 8: It Joe Rogan, whose name was Joe Rogan just twenty 261 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, not two decades ago. Four years ago, 262 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 8: Joe Rogan said his favorite candidate was Bernie Sanders and 263 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 8: his second favorite candidate was Tulca Gabbard. So Joe Rogan 264 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 8: endorsed the most left wing socialist candidate who's viable for 265 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 8: the presidency in decades, this far right, you know, radicalizing 266 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 8: into fascism. Voice for young Men four years ago was 267 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 8: on board with Bernie Sanders. And one of the things 268 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 8: that happened was when the Sanders campaign did what, of 269 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 8: course they should have done, which was touted Joe Rogan's 270 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 8: endorsement in their advertisements, because those were the voters they 271 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 8: need to attract. They needed to undermine this view that 272 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 8: only far leftist support of Bernie Sanders. People in the 273 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 8: party led by AOC were so offended that the Sanders 274 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 8: campaign would even speak with, let alone health the endorsement 275 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 8: of Joe that AOC for months refused to have anything 276 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 8: to do with the Sanders campaign. She stopped campaigning with them. 277 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 8: She accused them of promoting transphobia. And so when you 278 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 8: have someone like Joe Rogan, who has so many classically 279 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 8: left ling positions. He's probably the loudest, most prominent advocate 280 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 8: of same sex marriage. People go on a show and 281 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 8: say we need traditional marriage, He'll helm them for hours 282 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 8: about why that's wrong, so many different things like that. 283 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 8: He's anti corporatis, he's anti war. To take somebody like 284 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 8: that and just malign them and attack them and exclude 285 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 8: them and say, because there's a couple of positions like 286 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 8: whether trans women should be able to play in sports, 287 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 8: or young children should get you know, experimental sex reassignment surgery, 288 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 8: we're going to declaar, you far right, That's why they 289 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 8: alienate everybody. 290 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 7: We'll be right back with Glenn Greenwald. 291 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm 292 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: Terrence bag. This Thanksgiving will be extra special for the 293 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: families of three Americans who are returning home after being 294 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: in prisoned in China for years. The US government had 295 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: designated Mark Swadan, Ky Lee, and John Lung as wrongfully 296 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: detained in China. Swedan was facing the death penalty on 297 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: drug charges. Lee and Lung were locked up on espionage charges. 298 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: The White House is confirming that the trio will soon 299 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: be reunited with their families for the first time in years. However, 300 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: the release is part of a prisoner swap involving an 301 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: undisclosed number of Chinese nationals who were being held here 302 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: in the United States. The release of Americans deemed wrongfully 303 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: detained in China has been a top agenda item in 304 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: conversations between. 305 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: The US and China recently. 306 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: Today's development suggests a willingness by Beijing to engage with 307 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: the outgoing Biden administration. Before Republican President elect Donald Trump's 308 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: returned to the White House in January and just into 309 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: our newsroom. President Trump is reportedly considering retired General Keith 310 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Kellogg to serve as special envoy for the war between 311 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine. The lieutenant generalists said to have presented 312 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: the President elect. 313 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: With the plan to end the war there. 314 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: Kellogg served as chief of staff for the White House 315 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: National Security Council during President Trump's first term. He was 316 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: also a security advisor to then Vice President Mike Pence. 317 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: General Kellogg's plan reportedly includes freezing the battle lines where 318 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: they are and then forcing both sides to the negotiating table. 319 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: At this point, there's no envoy for the conflict, but 320 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: President Trump is expected to create the position in an 321 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: attempt to realize his campaign. 322 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: Promise of ending the war there. 323 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Civilians are returning to their homes in southern Libanon as 324 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: we speak, thanks to a brand new ceasefire agreement between 325 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Israel and Hezbillah. The US broker deal was signed on 326 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: Tuesday and wining to effect immediately. However, Israeli Prime Minister 327 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: Benjamin Netanyaho says if Hezbala breaks the terms of the deal, 328 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: Israel will quote respond severely. Israeli forces now have sixty 329 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: days to withdraw from southern Liberanon in order to allow 330 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Libanese forces to move in and secure that area. Hesblas 331 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: also expected to pull its forces in heavy weapons back immediately. 332 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: Several other countries, including France, will be part of the 333 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: implementation process for this latest ceasefire. 334 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: That's a quick check if your headliness okay? 335 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 6: Everybody, welcome back Email us as always Freedom at Charlie 336 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 6: Kirk dot com. Glenn Greenwald continues with us. So, Glenn, 337 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 6: I want to dive now into the foreign policy portion 338 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 6: of our discussion here. Joe Biden seems how bent on 339 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 6: sending even more and more money overseas. He just asked 340 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 6: for twenty four billion additional dollars to be sent to 341 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 6: Ukraine to continue this very very dangerous vertical escalation proxy war. Glenn, 342 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 6: breakdown this latest news and the significance of the danger 343 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 6: here during this transition period. 344 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 8: I honestly don't think we've ever seen anything like this. 345 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 8: I can't think of a historical analogy where a president 346 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 8: who's party is resoundingly rejected in an election uses the 347 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 8: lame Duck section session not for anything urgent or time sensitive, 348 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 8: but to simply or fuel on a fire of a 349 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 8: war that even its initial advocates have acknowledged can no 350 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 8: longer be won, and especially when Trump ran on a 351 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 8: platform of resolving this war peacefully and diplomatically, precisely because 352 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 8: he knows Ukraine can't win. 353 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 9: All it's doing is resulting in the. 354 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 8: Depth of hundreds of thousands of people in the destruction 355 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 8: of Ukraine that the American taxpayer will pay to rebuild. 356 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 9: To watch Biden not just send more. 357 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 8: Money out but authorize the use of attack the dis 358 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 8: missiles to strike deep inside Russia when that requires the 359 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 8: active involvement of US Tornado, military and other esplatory acts 360 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 8: seems very much designed to event the next administration, the 361 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 8: Trump administration, from fulfilling the promise that made the American 362 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 8: people that they accepted of resolving this war diplomatically, and 363 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 8: it's incredibly dangerous. Russia has the largest nuclear stockpile on 364 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 8: the planet. They regard Ukraine as their neighboring country and 365 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 8: therefore a vital interest to their national security. And Washington 366 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 8: has been playing this bizarre game from the start where 367 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 8: they seem to view the risks as trivial and are 368 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 8: willing to trifle with them for very trivial reasons. 369 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I just. 370 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 6: The DC warmongers that have been pushing this further and 371 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 6: further towards whatever this. 372 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 7: Is, and it's bad. 373 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 6: They're now applauding, saying, finally we're able to use long 374 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 6: range American made missiles into the interior of Russia. How 375 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 6: let me ask you, from your reporting, Glenn, how are 376 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 6: the Russian politicians and the Russian people viewing this, because 377 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 6: we never get the Russian side of the story in 378 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 6: American media. Are they viewing this as an active aggression 379 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 6: as they should? 380 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 7: By the way, of course, it. 381 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 8: Would be like asking whether the United States view it 382 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 8: as an active aggression if the United States were actively 383 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 8: collaborating with some other country, not just to provide weapons 384 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 8: to strike inside the United States, but use its military 385 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 8: to guide those missiles and to target using their intelligence services, 386 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 8: where they should land in what they should explode. I 387 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 8: think one of the things that has been most lost 388 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 8: because of how washed we are in propaganda is the 389 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 8: fact that Ukraine is the. 390 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 9: Most sensitive border spot for Russia. 391 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 8: It's the place that was used to invade Russia twice 392 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 8: during the twentieth century in both World Wars that resulted 393 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 8: in the test of deaths of tens of millions of 394 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 8: Russian citizens. I actually interviewed a German politician, a really 395 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 8: interesting woman, Sarah boggin Kinnaesh, who has long been on 396 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 8: the left, but as a vehement opponent of German support 397 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 8: for the war, and she talked about the generational psychological 398 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 8: trauma for the Russians of seeing German troops and German 399 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 8: tanks rather rolling eastward once again into Russia, toward the 400 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 8: Russian border. This has been something this war that has 401 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 8: been extremely provocative toward Russia. And the problem is that 402 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 8: we hear that Putin is a sotalitarian leader know and challenges. 403 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 9: Isn't him. 404 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 8: He has a lot of political pressure, primarily on his 405 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 8: nationalistic right that has been critical, believing that he's shown 406 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 8: too much restraint about NATO involvement in Ukraine, and he 407 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 8: has a lot of pressure to respond very aggressively to 408 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 8: this seriously escalatory policy of now having the US and 409 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 8: NATO directly bomb inside Russia. 410 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 7: Yeah. 411 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 6: I just at some point somebody has to articulate what 412 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 6: exactly success looks like here and just these platitudes and 413 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 6: abstractions punishing Putin or making sure Ukraine wins. We have 414 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 6: a minute remaining here Glenn, am I correct in saying 415 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 6: that that Russia is taken more territory as months go by, 416 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 6: and that that they're they're, they're the Ukrainians are losing 417 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 6: more and more ground. 418 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 7: Is that correct? 419 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, nobody doubts that the Russian frontline is expanding westward. 420 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 9: Nobody else that Ukraine has zero chance. 421 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 8: The problem is NATO defined victory from the start in 422 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 8: a very unrealistic way, expelling every Russian troop from every 423 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 8: inch of Ukrainian soil, including Crimea, and the Russians would 424 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 8: never permit that. And now the US knows that sc 425 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 8: outcome and they're going to have to accept the humiliation 426 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 8: of the. 427 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 6: Feed, including Crimea. I mean, first of all, Crimea is 428 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 6: rightfully Russians. Okay, that's where Russian wine comes from, It's 429 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 6: it's where their navy was centered in World War Two. 430 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 6: I mean, these these people are pathologically insane. 431 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 7: Glenn. 432 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 6: We have you for another segment. Everyone check out Glenn's 433 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 6: show on Rumble dot com. That is Rumble dot com. 434 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 6: Email us is always Freedom at Charliekirk dot com, and we're. 435 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 7: Going to talk after the break. 436 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 6: Russia just dropped a few ICBMs intercontinental ballistic missiles on Ukraine. 437 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 6: They didn't have nuclear warheads on them, and it was 438 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 6: a show of force that Russia basically said, we could 439 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 6: destroy Ukraine instantly if we want to. 440 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 7: We'll be right back. 441 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice news Break. 442 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being here with us. This Thanksgiving 443 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: will be extra special for families of three Americans who 444 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: were returning home after being imprisoned in China for years. 445 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: The US government had designated Mark Swadan, Ky Lee, and 446 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: John Lung as wrongfully detained in China. Swadan was facing 447 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: the death penalty on drug charges. Lee and Lung were 448 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: locked up on espionage charges. The White House is confirming 449 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: that the trio will soon be reunited with their families 450 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: for the first time in years. However, the release is 451 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: part of a prisoner swap, being an undisclosed number of 452 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: Chinese nationals who are being held here in the United States. 453 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: The release of Americans them wrongfully detained in China has 454 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: been a top agenda item in conversations between the US 455 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: and China recently. Today's development suggests a willingness by Beijing 456 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: to engage with the outgoing Biden administration Before Republican president 457 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: and like Donald Trump's return to the White House in January. 458 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: And while President Trump's election is protecting him from lawfair 459 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: against him, that's not the case for former Trump personal 460 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: lawyer and New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani. 461 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 5: I have no cash. It's all tied up, so right now, 462 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 5: if I wanted to call a taxi cab, I can't 463 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 5: do it. I don't have a credit card, I don't 464 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 5: have a checking account. I have no place I can 465 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: go take cash out except a little bit that I saved, 466 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 5: and it's getting down to almost nothing. 467 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: That was Juliani outside of court Tuesday, after a judge 468 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: sat a January trial date to determine which assets the 469 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: man formerly known as America's Mayor will have to hand 470 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: over to two Georgia election workers, whom he owes one 471 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: hundred and forty eight million dollars. That, by the way, 472 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: is the amount the duo won after a jewelry found 473 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: Giuliani destroyed their reputations and put them in jeopardy when 474 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: he accused them of trying to steal the twenty twenty 475 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: presidential election. The federal judge overseeing the case is threatening 476 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: to hold the former mayor in civil contempt for failing 477 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: to turn over his Manhattan apartment, which would cover part 478 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: of what he owes. The trial, by the way, is 479 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: set to start January sixteenth, which is just days before 480 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: President Trump's inauguration. 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Glenn Greenwald contus us So, Glenn, 509 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 6: I want to ask you about the changing media landscape. 510 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 6: It seems as if the Democrat Party, who seems they're 511 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 6: always on they claim to be on the cutting edge 512 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 6: of culture, have just come to realize that more Americans 513 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 6: are getting news from social media and podcasting. I mean, 514 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 6: it's hard for me to believe they were this naive, 515 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 6: but walk me through how they got to a place 516 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 6: where they have lost such significant ground in digital content 517 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 6: creation and podcasting. 518 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 9: I mean, you're in independent media. 519 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 8: I've been independent media ever since I left the media 520 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 8: LNA founded when it wouldn't let me publish negative reporting 521 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 8: about Joe Bidena for the twenty twenty election. 522 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 9: Any of us could see this coming. 523 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 8: That data has been so clear, their ratings have been 524 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 8: in collapse, in free fall. They every poll shows that 525 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 8: Americans trust and like corporate media almost less than like 526 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 8: pedophiles and syphlis, And so the trends have been clear 527 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 8: for so long. But when your entire self identity or 528 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 8: entire self esteem depends upon the position and the prestige 529 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 8: that you think it brings with inside of a collapsing institution, 530 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 8: they're always going to be the last people to believe 531 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 8: that the institution is collapsing. I think the most traumatizing 532 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 8: part of this election for them was again. 533 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 9: Not just that Trump won, but that so many non. 534 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 8: White voters, the people who they think they're the benevolent 535 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 8: leaders of, who they think they own, who they think 536 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 8: they have the right to have eternal support, migrated in 537 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 8: huge numbers away from their candidate to Donald Trump. Despite 538 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 8: constantly saying Trump was a Nazi was going to put 539 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 8: them in camps. 540 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 9: Remember, the whole. 541 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 8: Last week of the Invention was the media claiming that 542 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 8: Trump had a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden. 543 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 9: They were convinced Tony Hinchcliff's joke was. 544 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 8: Going to swing the election because Puerto Ricans would rise 545 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 8: up with Latinos led by Jennifer Lopez and Big Buddy 546 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 8: or Bad Buddy or whoever. 547 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 9: And none of that happened. 548 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 8: And so when you think that you speak and are 549 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 8: so foring, so connected to a group people who turn 550 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 8: around and show that they don't see the world remotely 551 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 8: the way you see it. They don't care what you see, 552 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 8: they don't listen to what you see. This is almost 553 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 8: too much for even them to be in denial any longer. 554 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 8: And that's why you see all these oh my god, 555 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 8: how are we going. 556 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 9: To create our own Joe Rogan? 557 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 7: Yeah? 558 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 6: But is there something to the format where leftists, not 559 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 6: liberals struggle in long form podcasting, they struggle in unscripted environments. 560 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 6: Is there something to the new left? And I don't 561 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 6: mean traditional liberal values. I mean one that has a 562 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 6: primary focus on censorship and war and regime politics that 563 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 6: stays away from that torda sort of increay towards truth 564 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 6: or long form dialogue. Is it the format that also 565 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: doesn't fit their politics. 566 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 9: I definitely see what you. 567 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 8: Mean at the same time as somebody who has long 568 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 8: been associated with the left who is kind of steep 569 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 8: in the civil libertarianism with which the left was once 570 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 8: most associated. See a lot of the right wing movements 571 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 8: at least is shaped and led by Donald Trump having 572 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 8: common deared to a lot of these issues quite successfully. 573 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 8: The only people who talk anymore about free speech versus 574 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 8: censorship are on the right. The only people who talk 575 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 8: anymore about the evils of the CIA and the FBI 576 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 8: and the US security state are people on. 577 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 9: The right, not the left. Same with the war machine. 578 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 9: I don't think it's so much the topics. I think 579 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 9: it's the fact. 580 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 8: That there's so much forced orthodoxy within liberal left discourse 581 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 8: that people just can't speak freely. They're constantly afraid of 582 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 8: their own shadows. You saw that with Kamala Harris, you 583 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 8: see that with left wing media in general. So people 584 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 8: sense that if you're not someone speaking freely, if you're 585 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 8: petrified of saying the wrong word, you seem an authentic 586 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 8: And it's not a faction that anyone wants to be 587 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 8: a part of that's so repressed and petrified and Trump 588 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 8: hit along and you know, blew through every single taboo 589 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 8: and limit without the slightest concern, the slightest apology. 590 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 9: That opened up so much space on the right. And 591 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 9: I think that's what made. 592 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 8: It so much more powerful, so much more able to 593 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 8: connect with the ordinary people that. 594 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 9: The left had had a claim on for so long. 595 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 6: How I mean what I mean the new left? I 596 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 6: don't mean traditional liberal values. I mean totalitarian impulses and 597 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,239 Speaker 6: you know, international war mongering values that you and I 598 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 6: don't hold. What I'm curious, though, is what will their. 599 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 7: Next move be. 600 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 6: Do you see the Democrat Party liberalizing itself towards one 601 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 6: and re embracing a free speech dialogue expression to disagree 602 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 6: kind of the promise of the Bill of Rights? Or 603 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 6: is there going to be the even further rise of 604 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 6: this kind of woke wing. I know I'm asking you 605 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 6: to speculate and predict, but as a reporter, I'm sure 606 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 6: you've thought deeply about this. What is next for the 607 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 6: current composition of the American Democrat Party. 608 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 8: I don't think that's hard. I don't think it's that 609 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 8: hard to predict. And I also don't think that this 610 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 8: distinction that you're drawing that has always been value between 611 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 8: kind of establishment liberalism and the left. 612 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 9: Is really that wide anymore or even that really. 613 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 8: You know, the left of the nineteen sixties protesting it's 614 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 8: the Vietnam War, and the establishment was always a little 615 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 8: different than Lyndon Johnson and that whole gang that pursued 616 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 8: the Vietnam War. Those distinctions have eroded in favor of 617 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 8: this idea that you cannot trust ordinary people. You can 618 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 8: trust elite with expertise, but you can't trust ordinary people. 619 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 8: And this whole industry that was concocted out of nowhere 620 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 8: creating a fake credential of people being disinformation agents. That 621 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 8: was all reaction first of all to the UK approval 622 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 8: of Brexit, but way more so the big trauma for 623 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 8: liberals of Donald Trump beating Hillary Flint in twenty sixteen, 624 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 8: and they concluded from that the only hope they have 625 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 8: to continue to control people in their thoughts is to 626 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 8: create systems to further control, censor, and manipulate public opinion 627 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 8: through the internet more. And I think with this crushing 628 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 8: defeat and then being at such a loss in the 629 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 8: wilderness to figure out how to get at that, they're 630 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 8: going to resort to increasingly authoritarian tactics that they already 631 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 8: believe in, and just kind of double and triple down 632 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 8: on them, not just as American liberals, but with the 633 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 8: Western left that very much believes in this also. 634 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's an important distinction is that if this 635 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 6: current government they might not have control of but they 636 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 6: still control a lot of states and a lot almost 637 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 6: all of Europe has embraced this new orthodoxy. It's very 638 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 6: dangerous and pernicious. I want to play cut sixty here. 639 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 6: I just got this tape Stephanie Cutter describing how important 640 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 6: TikTok was for Donald Trump. 641 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 7: And this ties into the. 642 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 6: Whole TikTok band that I know you spoke against, and 643 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 6: it's looming on January nineteenth, And should we give the 644 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 6: power to the government to ban social media apps we 645 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 6: don't like? Maybe this would explain why they want TikTok 646 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 6: band play cut sixty. 647 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 11: But we have to pay attention to why people find 648 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 11: that appealing and his use of TikTok in specifically reaching 649 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 11: those younger men. I can't tell you how many friends 650 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 11: of mine or nieces and nephews would say to me, 651 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 11: do you know I'm getting these things from Trump? All 652 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 11: the time on TikTok, and they're not political people. They 653 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 11: weren't signing up for that stuff, but Trump was reaching them. 654 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 11: So there's there is a lot for us to learn 655 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 11: in that. But I will also. 656 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 6: So the main takeaway there, Glenn is, as you know, 657 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 6: the TikTok ban was birthed out of the October seventh 658 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 6: situation because there were too many Americans that were getting 659 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 6: a let's just say, unfavorable opinion of a foreign country. 660 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 6: And I'm proiser and I think it's insane that you 661 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 6: ban a social media app because Americans don't agree with 662 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 6: you on a foreign policy issue. Talk about the whole 663 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 6: TikTok element, it's role in this election and this looming 664 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 6: TikTok ban that Trump's going to have to decide on. 665 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 8: Well, the irony, of course, is that TikTok has always 666 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 8: been perceived as this far left or leftist platform, which 667 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 8: is normal for young people to be more inclined to 668 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 8: the left, and the idea of banning TikTok originated with 669 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 8: the Trump administration. 670 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 9: A lot of Republicans in the. 671 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 8: Senate based on this idea that it was a CCP 672 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 8: controlled propaganda outlet, that it was a threat to national security, which, 673 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 8: as you point out, it never went anywhere. It never 674 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 8: got the votes until after October seventh, when Democrats decided 675 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 8: it was too pro Palestinian, too permissive of anti Israel criticism. 676 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 9: But to watch now. 677 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 8: Democrats turn around and be concerned about TikTok as some 678 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 8: sort of right wing propaganda outlet, when all along they 679 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 8: saw it as one of their best assets because so 680 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 8: many people perceived it as a left wing outlet. You know, 681 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 8: it is amazing, But at the end of the day, 682 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 8: it shouldn't matter. TikTok is an app that people voluntarily 683 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 8: use huge numbers of people to organize to speak to 684 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 8: one another, deformed communities. And it's always their impulse now 685 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 8: that if they identify a certain font of information that 686 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 8: they think is harmful to their political interests, their instinct 687 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 8: is not to figure out how to commandeer it or 688 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 8: integrate into it, but how to just stop it, suppress it, 689 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 8: make sure that it no longer can compete with the 690 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 8: outlets of institutions that they control. That is the prevailing 691 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 8: left liberal instinct in the West that they think is 692 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 8: so dangerous. 693 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, I just can we just also talk more just 694 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 6: about the precedent of what this would allow for. I mean, 695 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 6: to allow the federal government to say what social media 696 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 6: apps you can use, because it's fostering opinion that we 697 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 6: don't like it. 698 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 7: Just ever understands right now, TikTok is. 699 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 6: TikTok is scheduled to be banned on January nineteenth, almost 700 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 6: simultaneously with Trump's inauguration. I mean again, this is so, 701 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 6: this is so coordinated, right, and you're seeing this firsthand 702 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 6: in Brazil as well, if I'm not mistaken. 703 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean in Brazil, Bill, there's an obsession, 704 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 8: and a successful one, because there's no First Amendment with 705 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 8: simply banning every single expression on social media that the 706 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 8: predominantly centrist left liberal part of the government dislikes out 707 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 8: of fear that bolscenario is a highly popular political figure, 708 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 8: which he is, and if they allow free speech he 709 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 8: will return, which he will. In the United States, it's 710 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 8: a little bit more difficult just because of the First Amendment, 711 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 8: but it's exactly the same mentality. 712 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 9: And you're so right. 713 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 8: You know, there's a constitutional prohibition on Congress passing a 714 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 8: law about just one company, So you can't pass the 715 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 8: law saying TikTok is banned. 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Glenn, I want to get your thoughts. 794 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 6: I mean, you're never going to have a transition where 795 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 6: you agree with every single person. However, as somebody who 796 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 6: has covered the Intel agencies and broke the snowed in story, 797 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 6: I would love your thoughts on Tulsi Gabbard being selected 798 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 6: for Director of National Intelligence, the profundity of that and 799 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 6: the significance of someone who has been one of the 800 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 6: most articulate, outspoken critics of American intell agencies, actually potentially 801 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 6: becoming the Director of National Intelligence. Yet you almost feel 802 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 6: like sometimes you live in a dream world where a 803 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 6: lot of people who are paid to pay attention to 804 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 6: politics never listen to a word. Donald Trump said he 805 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 6: has been railing against the abuses and the politicization and 806 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 6: the corruption of the intel agencies for eight years, in 807 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 6: part because he was a victim of it, and he 808 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 6: has been promising to overhaul it, to drain the swamp, 809 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 6: which includes that. And yet somehow a lot of people 810 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 6: in both parties in the media thought he was going 811 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 6: to come in and just to point. 812 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 9: Status quo preservers like the sort of people who. 813 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 8: Usually get appointed to these positions, and they're shocked that 814 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 8: he chose someone in Tulci Gabbard who is a virulent 815 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 8: critic of the US intelligence agencies, of the way they've 816 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 8: monopolized and politicized spying and abuse their spying powers. When 817 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 8: his whole campaign was about putting people in charge of 818 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 8: these agencies who would clean it out, who would drain 819 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 8: the swamp, who would clean it from the root. And 820 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 8: the reason why there's so much attacks on people like 821 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 8: her as opposed to say, Mark Rubio and a Lease 822 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 8: stefanic Is, because they understand that she really is a 823 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 8: radical critic of the agencies that she that he wants 824 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 8: her to lead. And that's what upsets Washington more than anything, 825 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 8: because there's so many prerogatives and pailments and profits that 826 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 8: come from preserving these agencies as is. 827 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 6: The keeper of secrets, and so Glenn, you know how 828 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 6: the intel world works better than anybody from a reporter perspective. 829 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 6: If she gets to be DNI director, what could she 830 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 6: do there? What can she clean up? What can she expose? 831 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 6: What mandate can she fulfill? DNI has kind of post 832 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 6: nine to eleven been a little bit of a kind 833 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 6: of a shelf item, a little bit of an accessory. 834 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 6: But actually the way it's written is an extraordinarily powerful 835 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 6: department that is supposed to be the offensive coordinator of 836 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 6: all intel flow into the federal government. 837 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 8: Right based on the nine to eleven idea that the 838 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 8: reason it happened was because the intell agencies weren't communicating, 839 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 8: so you needed someone at the top of it in charge. Look, 840 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 8: I mean permanent power factions in Washington, the capital of 841 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 8: the most powerful and lucrative country on the planet. 842 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 9: Don't give up power easily. 843 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 8: I mean, as structurumer centerational madaw, everyone in Washington knows 844 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 8: you don't confront the intel agencies because they have six 845 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 8: different ways to Sunday to get back at you, which 846 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 8: I think was one of the most extraordinarily important statements. 847 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 9: But in this case, Tolsy gabbered in. 848 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 8: That position can do a lot of good changing these agencies, 849 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 8: even though the resistance will be events. 850 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and so let's just ll we have two minutes here. 851 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 6: Can we just kind of emphasize this if you're able to, 852 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 6: let's just say, bring the intel agencies to heal that 853 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 6: could potentially prevent the next unnecessary war? Is that a 854 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 6: fair summary? Is that that we sometimes go into these 855 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 6: conflicts because of faulty intelligence and misleading intel reports. 856 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, there are two components of it. One was the intel. 857 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 8: Agencies we're never supposed to spy on or be involved 858 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 8: in American politics, and increasingly since nine to eleven, that's 859 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 8: a big part of what they do, which is obviously 860 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 8: an anti democratic threat for so many read But the 861 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 8: other part is they provide the intelligence to the president, 862 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 8: and when they want to could persuade or deceive a 863 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 8: president to involve the US and a war. All they 864 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 8: do is cook up intelligence as they did in Vietnam, 865 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 8: are rock Syria, Libya, even in Ukraine. 866 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 9: And that is. 867 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 8: Probably the worst, most destructive part of these intell agencies 868 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 8: is that they deliberately lie in order to keep the 869 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 8: endless war machine on which they depend and from which 870 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 8: some many of them profit, continuing to be perpetrated by 871 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 8: just constantly telling presidents in the media whatever it wants 872 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 8: to hear to generate support publicly for these wars that 873 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 8: are not in. 874 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 9: The interest of most people. 875 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 7: I will if Tulsi Gabbart ends up. 876 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 6: Getting confirmed as Director of National Intelligence, it'll be one 877 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 6: of the greatest successes post nine to eleven to bring trust, transparency, 878 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 6: and truth to the intell agencies since the Patriot Act. 879 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 6: Would you agree with that, Glenn thirty seconds? 880 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, if it. 881 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 8: Happens, let's have a little party on your show and 882 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 8: we can come and celebrate, even just for a few minutes, 883 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,240 Speaker 8: a little. 884 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 7: Champagne, because I love it. 885 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 9: This is the kind of the. 886 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 8: Defeat that Washington rarely suffers, and they're on the verge 887 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 8: of suffering it, and that's why they're in full panic mode. 888 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 6: I'm gonna do everything I can to get Tulsi across 889 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 6: the finish line. It's gonna be a tough fight. Glenn. 890 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 6: You're a great man. 891 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 9: Thank you. 892 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 6: I have turkey for me in Brazil. Just you still 893 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 6: got to have the Thanksgiving something down there. 894 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 8: I'm still American, so I have to Yeah, I have 895 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 8: to honor it, all right. 896 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 9: Charlie, thanks for having me back on. 897 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,760 Speaker 7: Thanks for the time, very generous of your time. Thank you. 898 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 6: Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com and subscribe to 899 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 6: our podcast. Open up your podcast application and type in 900 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 6: Charlie Kirks Show. 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