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Speaker 1: the matchup definitely, and I would think they like the

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Speaker 1: matchup against Isaiah Win, who's really struggling. So to your question, like,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if Isaiah Win loses his starting job,

430
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Speaker 1: like at the start of the second half in this

431
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Speaker 1: last game, the Patriots sat him down in favor of

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Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon, who is elevated from the practice squad. I

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Speaker 1: would expect Cannon to be elevated again for this game,

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Speaker 1: and he'll play. Whether he starts, you know, probably is

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Speaker 1: tbd because they're Cannon's probably still getting into game shape.

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Speaker 1: Got you my great stuff as always, I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: the take and the time. Obviously huge matchup Sunday in Foxboro,

438
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Speaker 1: two teams that really are desperate for a win kind

439
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Speaker 1: of flipped their seasons around. Great stuff. Off I'll make

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Speaker 1: sure I stop by and say hello to you in

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Speaker 1: the press box. He is Mike Reece. He knows everything Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, Mike, tim Thanks for having me, look forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing and travel safe. Welcome back to the Twentyman

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Speaker 1: in the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft, and I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy to talk with my next guest, Josh Reynolds, who

446
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: was bawling out. This whole offense is balling out, Josh,

447
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: And just how fun is it to be on kind

448
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Speaker 1: of the role that you guys are on right now? Offensively?

449
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean, it's it's offensive guy's dream, you know,

450
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: for tying to put up points like that, you know,

451
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Speaker 1: and and both running and passing. You know, it's it's awesome, man.

452
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, it just shows how many weapons we got.

453
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's a big thing too, because now you guys

454
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Speaker 1: obviously face New England on Sunday and Bill Belichick and

455
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Speaker 1: the famous kind of you know thing with him is

456
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Speaker 1: he always takes away what you guys do. Well, right,

457
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Speaker 1: that's his m But when you look at this offense,

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys can run the ball, you guys

459
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Speaker 1: can throw it. Um, you guys, your scheme is very diverse.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just how difficult is that to stop? I mean,

461
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Speaker 1: put your defensive coordinator hat on a little bit. I mean,

462
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Speaker 1: how would you even attempt to stop you guys? It

463
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Speaker 1: definitely be tough man, you know. And uh, and that's

464
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Speaker 1: why it's kind of hard to scheme them right now

465
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Speaker 1: because it's like, all right, well what are they going

466
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Speaker 1: to try to take away? You know, so at this

467
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Speaker 1: point where you know, we're just gotta got to prepare

468
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Speaker 1: ourselves for all looks, you know, everything to get you know,

469
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Speaker 1: just just got to prepare. Man. You know, you've been

470
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Speaker 1: with with Jared Golf before you guys played together, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: with with the Rams, and you've obviously seen him play

472
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Speaker 1: at a very high level. Is this the is this

473
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Speaker 1: the most confident? Is this the best you've seen him?

474
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Speaker 1: I mean you look at the the QBR, the passer ratings.

475
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Speaker 1: He leads a league with eleven touchdown pass and I

476
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Speaker 1: think he's right up there in yards too. I mean,

477
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Speaker 1: he just looks really great. Minds the two mistakes obviously,

478
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Speaker 1: which he lamented this week talking to him, but he's

479
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Speaker 1: playing at a really high level. You see the same thing.

480
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Speaker 1: You've been around probably more than any other receiver in

481
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Speaker 1: the room. And it's awesome to see that man, you know. Um,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, like you said, I've seen him with the

483
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Speaker 1: rounds Super Bowl year when we went, and he was

484
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Speaker 1: playing at a high level then as well, and so

485
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Speaker 1: you know, just just to see him take control of

486
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Speaker 1: this offense and making him making his own, you know,

487
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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest part of of of him

488
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Speaker 1: growing into that into that uh you know, that lead position,

489
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Speaker 1: that confidence that he's that he's getting right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's on it, you know. And I asked him

491
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Speaker 1: about you on Wednesday too, and obviously you guys have

492
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Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of injuries and like you know,

493
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Speaker 1: you having to switch positions from that acts to the

494
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Speaker 1: Z and and you know, right in the middle of

495
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Speaker 1: a game there, and I asked him, you know, just

496
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Speaker 1: how difficult is that? I mean, how many guys can

497
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Speaker 1: do that? And he looked at me and he said,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a few guys like a Cooper Cup

499
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Speaker 1: could do that, you know, but you've got to be

500
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Speaker 1: really smart to be able to do that. And and

501
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Speaker 1: you know, he really threw that praise onto you. Just

502
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Speaker 1: you you seem to be in a really good spot

503
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: right now too, you know, contribute a lot you and

504
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Speaker 1: in him seemed to be on have a really good report.

505
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Speaker 1: You kind of feel the same way. I mean, yeah, yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: it look great and uh, you know it's and it's

507
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Speaker 1: not always you know, meant where I'm a you know,

508
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Speaker 1: I'm that that primary receiver, you know. It just you know,

509
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Speaker 1: I just make sure I'm I'm in a spot that

510
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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be at the time. And uh, and

511
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Speaker 1: he's finding he's finding his open guys, you know. So

512
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Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's awesome, man. It's uh, you know

513
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Speaker 1: for me to have those games kind of back to back, Uh,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's grown my confidence as well. And

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Speaker 1: just uh, you know, yeah, I finally get the feeling.

516
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: I finally get the goal a little bit because you know,

517
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Speaker 1: let's let's be real. I mean last year was tough, right.

518
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Speaker 1: I mean you go to a new environment in Tennessee,

519
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: it just for whatever reason, it doesn't work out. And

520
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Speaker 1: then you come here. You get opportunities here. But I

521
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: mean joining the team mid season, trying to learn a

522
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Speaker 1: new scheme mid season, I mean you had to be

523
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Speaker 1: swimming a little bit. You still definitely had to dumb

524
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Speaker 1: it down from it a little bit. All Right, you're

525
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Speaker 1: gonna run this and this personnel. All right, cool, I

526
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Speaker 1: can do that. But now you get an offseason with Jared, right,

527
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Speaker 1: you get a training camp, you get OTAs, you get

528
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Speaker 1: that whole thing, and it just seems like you've kind

529
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Speaker 1: of picked up kind of and just run with it.

530
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Speaker 1: Seemed to be in a really good spot. Yeah, and

531
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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a it's all shout out to

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Speaker 1: to Ben and Jared man, you know, Ben with the

533
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Speaker 1: with the Schames, getting guys and the spots that they

534
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Speaker 1: need to be and uh and Jared for being able

535
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Speaker 1: to deliver those balls and credits to the whole room too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right, I'm on Ross Brown goes down. You

537
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Speaker 1: without DJ Chark, I mean, you're, i know, dealing with

538
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: some stuff too, You're not one hundred percent with with

539
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Speaker 1: it with that ankle. And then Tom Kennedy steps up.

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Speaker 1: I mean quintess c FI sport went. You know, you

541
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Speaker 1: guys do a lot of different things. With TJ playing

542
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Speaker 1: the slot out wide. I know he's a tight end,

543
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: but he's got kind of wide receiver feel to him

544
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Speaker 1: a little bit too. And then he steps up. I mean,

545
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Speaker 1: what a credit to that room right that that It

546
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Speaker 1: just it doesn't seem like it doesn't matter competitive. We're competitive, man,

547
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Speaker 1: and we got a competitive room. He'll pick the right

548
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Speaker 1: guys to you know, to be in our room for us,

549
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: or you know, all the way down to the to

550
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: the last guy. You know, everybody's ready to step up

551
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: and kind of fill in that role if need be.

552
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Speaker 1: What do you like about l Oh I had him

553
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: on the podcast and he was great character. The character

554
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Speaker 1: he got, he got it a little announced the voice. Yeah,

555
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: he's a character man. He just he makes it fun,

556
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, coming coming coming to work every time. You know,

557
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: don't it don't feel like we're especially you know, within

558
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: his meeting rooms. And he's a foreign player, so he

559
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: gets it right. I mean, he's gonna ask you guys

560
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: to do anything he hasn't had. You knows it. Yeah,

561
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: he knows it's hard, but he seems like he keeps

562
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: it fun too. Yeah, you know, definitely, definitely I want

563
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: to talk about Ben a little bit because obviously that's

564
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, hot name right now, you guys having the

565
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Speaker 1: number one offense, number one total offense, number one scoring offense.

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Speaker 1: Just his his ability to scheme guys. And you mentioned

567
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about scheming guys open and getting guys.

568
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: But just whenever I talked to guys and ask him

569
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: about Ben, the kind of the word that keeps coming

570
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Speaker 1: up is the intelligence. Smart. Just one of the smartest

571
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Speaker 1: football guys I've ever been around. Just what is it

572
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 1: about Ben that that's kind of that that makes make

573
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Speaker 1: him so successful in this role so early on in

574
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Speaker 1: his career? Um, and my experience, yea, I was with

575
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: you know, I was with McVeigh and I kind of

576
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: got the same, you know, the same sentence a little bit.

577
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's just guys that that know football, been

578
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: around football the whole life. You know, watch absurd amount

579
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Speaker 1: of film, so they've seen just about every look, you know,

580
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: and uh, and just kind of just just been around

581
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: the right guys, you know, going through that whole process.

582
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: Whether you know he was assistant you know during assistant

583
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: coach and all that stuff. He's been around and he's

584
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: been around some smart minds, and I think that's a

585
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. And now he can

586
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: now he can take that and twist it in his form,

587
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, And that's and now he's making all that uh,

588
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, the offense that basically you know, everybody's running

589
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: his own and but it seems to me from the

590
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: outside looking in, and obviously you know, but just the

591
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: ability to be a good teacher. It's so important, not

592
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: just knowing football too, but be able to able to

593
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: relay that in terms that make sense to players, that

594
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 1: makes it easy to players, that allows them to play fast.

595
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: It seems like he's a very good teacher too. And

596
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't overcomplicate things, because you can be a smart

597
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: guy's a smart football guy, and you can maybe overcomplicate things, right,

598
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: He'll catch yourself doing that some time. We have to

599
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: tell you get a little too much trim that down

600
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, but now he's a he's

601
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: growing into his own for sure. So you guys are

602
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: the number one offense overall. But when I talked to Jared,

603
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Speaker 1: even when we talk to you earlier in the week,

604
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: it's just seems like you guys think you can be

605
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: much more, even too, Like you watch the film and

606
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: you're leaving a lot of plays out there. And that's obviously.

607
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're still the number one scoring, a number

608
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: one overall offense, and you guys feel like you can

609
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: meet him better. Yeah, I mean's that true, Monday? It

610
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: sounds like it's close to you, Monday. You would think

611
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: that we had to wear as a game ever really,

612
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Speaker 1: because you know, hey, we're very critical to ourselves. Okay,

613
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: scored forty five, job exactly. We should have had sixty. Yeah,

614
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: we should have had sixty, you know. And so that's

615
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think, um, our mindset being that way

616
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: is what's gone, is what's going? Um Yeah, suspend us.

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00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: You know what I want to ask you something, maybe

618
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: a difficult question, but you know I want to ask

619
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: it anyways, is you guys offensively they are doing so

620
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: well right and and defense obviously it's it's you know,

621
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: been well documents the start that they've had, But it

622
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there's a fracture in that room at all.

623
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: And Jared said, that's so important that you can't He's

624
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: been on teams before where where you have that fracture

625
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: you maybe start to point fingers. Um, why is that

626
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: so important that that doesn't get into that locker room

627
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: and and you expect that that probably won't, right, Yeah,

628
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like a pretty strong group. Yeah,

629
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day, where we're

630
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: a team, you know, like we win together, we lose together,

631
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: whether the offense puts up sixty or not. You know,

632
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: if we can't, if we can't win the game, we

633
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: all lose. So you know, there's no there's no point

634
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: of pointing fingers. You know, we know we know they're

635
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: not trying to you know, give up and stuff that

636
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: just uh, they're just working through some stuff and um,

637
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's a long season. You know

638
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Speaker 1: they're gonna get their groove and you're gonna see it

639
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be an opportunity when you guys or

640
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe a bit and they make the play and then

641
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: that turns things around. And that's what good teams do,

642
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: right exactly, and that's why it's the team up at

643
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: greatest team sport in America. How big is this one

644
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: on Sunday for you guys, especially going into the buy right,

645
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: you want to feel good about yourself going into the

646
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: buying week. Get that week of rest and then you know,

647
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: second question to that is how important is that buying?

648
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: How good of a time is that coming now in

649
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Speaker 1: week six with all the injuries you guys are facing

650
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Speaker 1: To your first question, I mean, next game is always

651
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: the biggest game, you know, since the next one we

652
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta be one and one and oh yeah,

653
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, and so you know that's we think about

654
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: that all the time. And I think they the buys

655
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Speaker 1: coming out of perfect time right now for our team,

656
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, because we kind of got we kind of

657
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: hit the h got the injury bug early. Yeah, you know,

658
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: and that'll get some some of our guys back with

659
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Speaker 1: saintan uh and uh, you know, just being able to

660
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: get a little a little a little more rest to

661
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Speaker 1: this Lona be a long hall after long hall after

662
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Speaker 1: su Well, Josh has been really fun to watch you guys.

663
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: You in this offense. It's really been fun to watch

664
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Speaker 1: this receiver corps been terrific. It doesn't matter whose names,

665
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: college are all making plays. Jared looks great and it's

666
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: been fun to watch and keep it up Sunday. I know,

667
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Peliches is probably gonna have something for

668
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit, maybe something unexpected, but you

669
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: guys gonna have something for him too, right. We definitely

670
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: are all rightfully as gotta be lone to look out.

671
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Speaker 1: He is Josh Reynolds. He's having a terrific start to

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Speaker 1: a season. Thank you, guys. We'll be back. Welcome back

673
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Speaker 1: to the Twentyman in the Huddle podcast, and it is

674
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Speaker 1: now time for key matchups, presented by Bett MGM. And

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Speaker 1: I thought this week I would do something a little

676
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Speaker 1: bit different. I would bring in the Hall of Famer

677
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Speaker 1: to help me with the key matchups. He is Mike O'Hara. Obviously,

678
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: Lions fans know him well, and Mike, thanks for joining me.

679
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate you, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: What what are we doing again? And we've got jokes,

681
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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, We've got jokes today, but no, I

682
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Speaker 1: like always, we got five key matchups for this one,

683
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Speaker 1: and Mike, let's start up front with the big guys.

684
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: I thought we were doing all the last thirteen games.

685
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: I'd probably listen. I'll just stick to this one. Okay,

686
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: We've got jokes. Here we go. We're gonna start with

687
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: the big guys up front, where obviously you and I

688
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: both know that's where you know games are are one.

689
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: And let's start with Taylor Decker Verse, Dietrich Weiss Junior Um,

690
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, pretty talented pass rusher Um for New England.

691
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Really had a strong game against Baltimore where we had

692
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: three sacks, a couple tackles for loss. You know, really

693
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Speaker 1: affected um that game. And you look at Taylor and

694
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Taylor's been terrific, like one sack allowed, He's been strong

695
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Speaker 1: in the run game. He's really been an anchor there.

696
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Speaker 1: You know, what's what's the key to that matchup for you?

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Speaker 1: One thing about Taylor, and I probably say this to

698
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Speaker 1: you like two or three because we sit beside each

699
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: other a game on games about two or three times

700
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Speaker 1: a game, I'll say it's a false start because he's

701
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: so quick off the ball. It's like he's got a

702
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: spring loaded left leg and he's ready to go. So

703
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: he's really tough to play against, and he can handle

704
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: guys like that. But if you look at that wise

705
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Speaker 1: of stats, guy's rolling four. He's got four sacks, four

706
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: tackles for lost, four quarterback gets. That's pretty good production.

707
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: That's a long day for Taylor Ducker coming up. I

708
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Speaker 1: think he can handle it another four in four games.

709
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Speaker 1: So you know, that's a lot of a lot of

710
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Speaker 1: good production. Got it, He got it. Let's let's let's

711
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's an elephant in the room, right Obviously,

712
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: you know Matt Patricia was here. It shouldn't work out,

713
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: but I think that's a huge matchup. Now. Matt Patricia's

714
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Speaker 1: dealing with the offensive side of the ball over there

715
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Speaker 1: in New England, and Aaron Glenn's come under a little

716
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Speaker 1: bit of fire. Obviously you look at some of the numbers.

717
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Speaker 1: You know, they're thirty second in points allowed, thirty second

718
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Speaker 1: in total defense, thirtieth against the run, thirtieth against the pass,

719
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Speaker 1: and so you know Matt Patricia's offense and that play

720
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Speaker 1: calling verse Aaron Glenn and the defensive play calling. What's

721
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Speaker 1: the what's the big what's the big matchup there? Well,

722
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Speaker 1: I hate. The big matchup is it. He's got Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick on his side, and I don't think I wouldn't

724
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Speaker 1: be exactly if I'm Bill Belichick. I'm not shaking in

725
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: my shoes that the Detroit Lions have made a change

726
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: between between Week four and Week five. There's nothing he

727
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: hasn't seen going back to in nineteen seventy six and

728
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Speaker 1: seventy seven when he was a position coach. Here with

729
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. The guy who knows football, he knows

730
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Speaker 1: how to react, and I wouldn't. I don't think that's

731
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Speaker 1: a big deal. Now. Look, Matt Patricia made made his

732
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Speaker 1: bones as a defensive coach and now he's doing offense.

733
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Speaker 1: So there's gotta be a little bit of gap there,

734
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Speaker 1: I would think. I don't think he's got necessarily everything down.

735
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Just because he looked and attacked at offenses doesn't mean

736
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Speaker 1: he can run offenses. Yeah. No, that's a good point.

737
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Speaker 1: You look at Detroit defensively and Aaron Glenn. They abolutely

738
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Speaker 1: took that deep dive this week into change it something schematically.

739
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell mentioned Monday, the personal changes. I don't know

740
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Speaker 1: how much they can do, you know, obviously, Demitrius Taylor

741
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: defensive lineman probably gets you know, his first you know,

742
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: time to be active this week. They can maybe switch

743
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: Aiden and Charles and try to find some matchups. Maybe,

744
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: but just how much can they do you defensively? I'm

745
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: the fly in one week, you know, getting ready for

746
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Speaker 1: an opponent. Well, a lot of it depends on how

747
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: desperate you are. It really does. And I look, I'll

748
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: go back to the older days when I covered Wayne Fonser.

749
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: He would not stick with a loser. They spent the

750
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Speaker 1: whole off season one time going away from this famed

751
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: three four to a four to three. They got just

752
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: clacked first two games, guys backs to the three four.

753
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: He wouldn't stick with a loser. I think it's a

754
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: smart thing. Whatever they're doing, whatever they're changing, I think

755
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 1: it's a smart thing to do. Now it's got to work. Yeah,

756
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: But just you just can't sit there and say, Okay,

757
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to coach him a little harder. No, No,

758
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to take you've got to

759
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: take a look at what you're doing and make sure

760
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: it's working. Maybe it doesn't fit these players, and obviously

761
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation there in New England is going to

762
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: play a huge specially is it going to be Mac

763
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: Jones who might return to practice this week, as Mike Greece,

764
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: who I had on earlier from ESPN, said that could

765
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: be a possibility. What's his percentage versus healthy? You know,

766
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, Bailey's appy, who's their third string quarter. But

767
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: you look at the Patriots office twenty third in points,

768
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: eighteenth in total offense, tenth in rushing, So they're good there.

769
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Speaker 1: That's one area I think Detroit's really got to be

770
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: good at this week is stopping that Patriots run game.

771
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: Let's go kind of leading into the next one for

772
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: me is Malcolm Rodriguez, you know Verse Harris for the

773
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: running back for UM New England, and I would throw um,

774
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, Romandre Stevenson in there a little bit as well,

775
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: just because you know, I think both those guys they

776
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of split the load there. They both have over

777
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: two hundred yards rushing. But what have you seen from

778
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Malcolm that that you like, You've seen a lot of

779
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: rookies obviously over your time, and what is it about

780
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: him that that that you know has made him consistently

781
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: productive through four weeks? Look, whether you're the first pick

782
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: overall in the National Football or draft or the two

783
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty third pick. It can be too big

784
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: for you, It really can. You're you're going against playing

785
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: against guys who are eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one years old,

786
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you're going against the twenty

787
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: eight year old three time Pro Bowl center or guard

788
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: or tat or whatever are running backs who don't they

789
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: know more about you than you do. It's not too

790
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: big for Malcolm Rodriguez. It wasn't from when he showed

791
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: up in rookie camp. He just had that. He just

792
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: fit in. He just he was a football player. That's

793
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: to me. There are players and then there are athletes.

794
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: He's a player, and so I don't think it's too

795
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: big for him. Patriots are average one hundred twenty eight

796
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: and a half yards per game on the ground Detroit.

797
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: Obviously we mentioned at the top their thirtieth you know

798
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: against against the run against the third string quarterback, this

799
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: matchup particular, just how important is that for Malcolm to

800
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: continue to be consistent. Last week ten tackles, a tackle

801
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: for loss of quarterback hit. He's been arguably their best performer.

802
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: At least they're most consistent one through the first month.

803
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: How important is this matchup? Just him being able to

804
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: limit a little bit, make some plays in the backfield,

805
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: stick with those guys in the past game, just that

806
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: that matchup seems like a bigger one to me. Yeah,

807
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: if you're playing like you know, fifty five sixty snaps,

808
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: if you can just hold your own when you're done,

809
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: when you broke even you've won, you really do. And

810
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: I think I think you can do that now. Look

811
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: like you said, these are both guys that you're facing

812
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: that have more than two hundred yards rushing already, and

813
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: they have pretty good you know, yards per carry four

814
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: six for one for nine for the other something like that.

815
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: So they know how to get the ball up and

816
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: down the field. And so it's it's not just it's

817
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: not just Malcolm Rodriguez. But look, just some statue. Look,

818
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: he's done a lot of things. He's got one tackle

819
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: for loss I'm sorry, one forced fumble, three tackles for loss,

820
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks hits, and he's got twenty five solo tackles.

821
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Speaker 1: You know, Tim, I think I've said this a million

822
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: times a million and one coming up. I wish there

823
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Speaker 1: was a statistic of the National Football League for winning plays,

824
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: not just tackles, because you get a tackle at a

825
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: six yard game, so what right get a tackle for

826
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: a three yard game? That's a winning play. And I

827
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: think Malcolm Rodriguez makes winning plays. Well, let's hope there's

828
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: some more on Sunday. Let's go to our fourth matchup

829
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: to me Penney soool for if Matthew Judean, I'm going

830
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: to stick up front, just because when you look at

831
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: New England over the first you know, four games, they've

832
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: got eleven sacks as a team, but four or eight

833
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: of those have come from Dietrich Wise and Matthew Judon,

834
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: and you look at the start Judon's on. He can

835
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: become the first Patriots player ever to start the team's

836
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: first five games with a sack in each game he's

837
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: offted that good of a start. He's gotten a sack

838
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: in every single one of the Patriots first four games.

839
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Speaker 1: And look on the other side of it, Penney Sewell

840
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: has been everything the Detroit Lions hoped he would be,

841
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: and probably a little bit more. I'm guessing after picking

842
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: him seventh overall, I think he's trending toward the Pro

843
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: Bowl sooner rather than later. To me, that's a big matchup,

844
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: a good test for him because Judan has been doing

845
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: it at a high level for a long time. Well,

846
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: he's trending towards a Pro Bowl when there's no Pro

847
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: Bowl anymore. I'm here in Hawaii, where is everybody? No?

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Speaker 1: But you know, look, look Matt Junine, look just a

849
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Speaker 1: plug here. He's a grand valley stayed and out of

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Speaker 1: your neighborhood at West Bloomfield. I I think it was

851
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Speaker 1: he's from West Bofield, one of your rich neighbors. Love

852
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Speaker 1: you for that, but no, Look he's been he's been

853
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Speaker 1: a good player right from the get Goalio was a

854
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Speaker 1: fifth round draft picked by by by the Ravens, and

855
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Speaker 1: he's just stepped right and he's made the Pro Bowl

856
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Speaker 1: the last three years. He's a tough guy to plays

857
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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pounds sixty three and he's

858
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Speaker 1: built the load of the ground and he could he

859
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Speaker 1: could flat out ball from first snap to the last. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think that's such a big matchup with

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Speaker 1: actual little tool against Dietrich wise in Judeon. I mean

862
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Speaker 1: that's really strength on strength when you look at that

863
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: defense that's their strength. When you look at this that's offense.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's the offensive line and how Jared's playing.

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Speaker 1: But on the offensive line, it's really as two guys

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Speaker 1: on the outside of Frank anchoring it in the center.

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Speaker 1: That's such a key matchup. And one thing about why

868
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Speaker 1: is he's a little ranger. He's a six five six

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Speaker 1: six something like that. The same two hundred and seventy

870
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Speaker 1: five pounds is as mad Judean. Just one other thing,

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Speaker 1: he's a fourth round draft pack. Like I said, Judon's

872
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Speaker 1: a fifth round So I'm telling you people out there

873
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Speaker 1: on draft day and after a team gets your players,

874
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Speaker 1: they don't have to come in the first round. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep draft and you can get good players from the

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Speaker 1: first round, of the seventh and in free agency. But

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Speaker 1: we talked about Malcolm Rodriguez, right, absolutely, sixth round, it

878
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Rodrigo, Rodrigo, I like it all. Right. Last

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Speaker 1: matchup and the key Matchups presented by bet MGM Charles

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Speaker 1: Harris and Isaiah Win. And I'm gonna put a little

881
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Speaker 1: bit of a caveat on this be because Isaiah Win

882
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Speaker 1: has had such a bad start to his season. The

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Speaker 1: left tack the right tackle for the Patriots that Marcus

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Speaker 1: Cannon came in the second half last year, and it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see who starts there. And I know

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Speaker 1: you're saying Tim, that's right tackle. Doesn't Aiden normally play

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Speaker 1: on that side, But like we talked about earlier, I

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Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a combination of both Charles Harris

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00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: and Aiden Hutchinson. I think they're gonna move around. At

890
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Speaker 1: least we saw that last week with Aiden covering both sides.

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00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: And I think whoever it is, and I'm and I

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Speaker 1: highlighted Charles Harrison this one because one sack by Charles Harris,

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00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: four quarterback hits, two tackles for loss. But you look

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Speaker 1: at the sack and a couple of the quarterback hits

895
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Speaker 1: that was in one game and obviously had that huge

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Speaker 1: play against Washington. But to me, it just you need

897
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Speaker 1: more from him. You know, he was a guy that

898
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Speaker 1: had seven and a half sacks last year. We saw

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Speaker 1: with Washington how much he can make an impact. And

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Speaker 1: he's one of those few guys I think on this

901
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: defense that can turn the football over. Yamani or Wire,

902
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Speaker 1: he's another one for me. But Charles Harris is too.

903
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Speaker 1: You know, he gets a lot of those. I just

904
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Speaker 1: think this is an opportunity against a guy in Isaiah

905
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Speaker 1: when he's got five penalties in four games. He allowed

906
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Speaker 1: two sacks in the first half last year. Six quarterbacks

907
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Speaker 1: pressures which leads them. So whoever it is at right

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Speaker 1: tackle and whoever it is for the defense over that guy,

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Speaker 1: I think it's such an important matchup to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of that this week. This is your chance. Really, this

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Speaker 1: is you're look, this is not Penny Sewell and Taylor Decker.

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Speaker 1: This is let's say it win. What's his name, j W. Look,

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Speaker 1: he had look at it started out in his career.

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Speaker 1: He missed his tyer rookie year. Yeah, and he's only

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Speaker 1: had one season when he played. He played all sixteen

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Speaker 1: games last year and with fifteen starts, so we sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, I don't think they've gotten what they

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Speaker 1: expected to get from when a guy they drafted twenty

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Speaker 1: third overall in the first round. So look, put the

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Speaker 1: pressure on. I wouldn't be surprised whether there's a three

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Speaker 1: man rotation and there, you know, just to change it

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Speaker 1: up a little bit. The fresh guy. Yeah, because what

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Speaker 1: they're doing now it really isn't working except for that

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Speaker 1: one big you know, half by uh By Hutchinson in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the second game. They need more,

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Speaker 1: they need more from that whatever it is, I think

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Speaker 1: when we you know, we we talked about the defense

928
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Speaker 1: in the deep dive and the position changes, but at

929
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Speaker 1: some point it just is you know, man on man,

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Speaker 1: you gotta beat the guy guy across from you and

931
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Speaker 1: make an impact, right. Yeah, that that's it at the end. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And one other thing Tim has supported as the fans

933
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Speaker 1: here in Detroit have been it looked like that three

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Speaker 1: crowds were just roaring from start to finish. Well, they've

935
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Speaker 1: been looked. They've been good entertaining games, just the home

936
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Speaker 1: team didn't didn't close the deal. I think this is

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Speaker 1: a good time regardless of who they're playing. It's a

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Speaker 1: good time for the Lions to get on the road

939
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Speaker 1: because you get that feeling that all we got is

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Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, and I think that I think they

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Speaker 1: can help a team when it's struggling in any sport,

942
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Speaker 1: but particularly football because of the emotional dynamic of the game.

943
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Speaker 1: Those were the mt MGM key matchups. He is Michael

944
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Speaker 1: Harre the Hall of Famer. We will obviously the PJ

945
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Speaker 1: and I will be breaking down the game afterward from

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Speaker 1: New England. Mike, you've got your pregame stuff heading up Thursday.

947
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Speaker 1: You got what's the article you do on the preview

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Speaker 1: lind up And I'm leading it off with TJ Hockinson.

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Speaker 1: Does he have another big game backing up the one

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Speaker 1: he had last week? Does it carry over? I think

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Speaker 1: it should. Yeah. As a terrific football player, I want

952
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: to see more of them. We also have ten takeaways

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Speaker 1: from the coordinators, which should obviously be interesting this week.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot coming on the podcast. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot coming on Detroit Lions dot Com, and PJ and

956
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Speaker 1: I will break it all down Sunday night, So stick

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Speaker 1: with us here again he has Michael Hare, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me. Appreciate you. The pleasure pleasure is a whole

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Speaker 1: mind