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Speaker 1: Reveale.

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Speaker 2: Donks look at us now, tip to tip. This is

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Speaker 2: our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit we

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Speaker 2: bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: This is Morning Combat. Hey, fuck your life. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: December seventh, twenty eleven, and we're in a motel in

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Speaker 3: the middle of BC's hometown.

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Speaker 2: Right this is the other side of the state that

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Speaker 2: nobody goes to unless you like knocked up a Rhode

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Speaker 2: Island chicker and you're like, do you have to you know,

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Speaker 2: no one comes over.

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Speaker 3: He fair. It's Morning Combat everyone, and it's a special week.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on this week. Of course, there's

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Speaker 3: a UFC pay per view going on a little bit later.

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Speaker 3: There's some boxing fights Taofe. Me Lopez is back, but

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Speaker 3: but it is also a big Belator fight week. We

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Speaker 3: got a women's flyweight title fight. We've got the one

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Speaker 3: thirty five pound Grand Prix, gonna.

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Speaker 2: Take ye to a million here, brother, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: So we thought, okay, well, me and BC can just

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Speaker 3: you know, talk about it. But that's not enough. We

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Speaker 3: need some special guests to do this correctly. So joining

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Speaker 3: us now in this room you know these gentlemen from

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Speaker 3: the Weighing In podcast as well as the showtime broadcast

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Speaker 3: for Belatore themselves. One of them fought and Strike Force

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Speaker 3: and was a champion. It's Josh Thompson to my left,

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Speaker 3: and it's Big John McCarthy too. All right, welcome gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having us. Man.

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Speaker 2: This is a long awaited rematch if I can jump

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Speaker 2: in an inn rematch like our saucy back and forth

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Speaker 2: we had. But to the PostScript of that was everybody

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Speaker 2: caught COVID and you went to the hospital Kidney Stu.

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Speaker 2: So hey, welcome back to Norwich. Can I get here?

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Speaker 4: We are?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys doing I'm doing good. All I caught

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Speaker 5: from the intro was it you called me special? And

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Speaker 5: I like that. He's feel good about myself.

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Speaker 3: There is a there's many definitions to special.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes there is, and he is the far end

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: Big Jockey. Congratulations on becoming your grandfather again, Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my daughter, we had what four days ago now

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Speaker 4: four days a good Sunday, Jamison JJ came in.

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Speaker 2: Here's the key question, and I didn't mean to cut

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Speaker 2: off the beautiful offspring here of your family. Congratulations, thank you.

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Speaker 2: What do they call you as grandpa? And did you

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Speaker 1: They they got to picket?

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Speaker 4: My my my oldest granddaughter is now ten, almost eleven,

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Speaker 4: and she was the one she got to name.

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Speaker 1: She called my wife was Nana.

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Speaker 4: I was paw, Okay, that's not bad, because there's some

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Speaker 1: Is not bad. I'm okay with it. And they said, oh,

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Speaker 3: The South, they always do ones like mem.

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Speaker 2: Me, I got it, I have a meme on people.

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Speaker 3: That's not no, that's just white trash. That's that's really

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Speaker 1: I had never heard me Intel. What was the show

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Speaker 3: Guys are rock from the sun.

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Speaker 1: Big Bang, the Big Bang Theory. Sheldon, it was his

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Big Bang theory? Did you smash?

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Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. We've been doing this for five minutes.

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Speaker 5: I'm definitely willing. I'd wear definitely.

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Speaker 3: Rock Stotts wears his everywhere he goes. Who does ralphiel

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he also leaves his talko meat out too. I

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Speaker 3: Yes, he does do the taco meat fit, which is

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Speaker 7: You will strike me as someone has kind of like

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Speaker 1: You don't.

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Speaker 5: You don't have the team whole thing. Yes, but you

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Speaker 3: I got some here there, like right in the center.

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Speaker 1: It's called team animal. Don't worry about It's good.

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Speaker 2: He has what he describes as shitty chess tats that

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Speaker 3: year with a big full sleeve. I'm getting. You know,

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Speaker 3: you get tattoos when you're nineteen. Your decision making is

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Speaker 7: It's so funny because like my dad had told me, said, hey,

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Speaker 7: if you want a tattoo. I'll pay for it, but

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Speaker 5: A year later. I never wanted that tattoo. I was thankful.

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Speaker 1: I never got you have any tattooed? None? None?

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Speaker 3: You got the one under this is your wedding ring, right, have.

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Speaker 4: This is like I used to wear a wedding ring

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Speaker 1: Tore my finger off. So I said, I'm not wearing anymore.

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Speaker 4: My wife's big thing was he said, I want you

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Speaker 7: Well, I tell everyone you don't put a bumper stickar

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Speaker 7: on a Bentley. So that's why I don't have it.

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Speaker 2: he has as Yeah he's out of this week's fight.

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Speaker 3: He can't find Yeah, he's out of this week's way.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to fighting because he's not fighting.

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Speaker 3: So we have a lot to get to here today.

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Speaker 3: So as one last reminder, Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: We will get to either fans ups today or Friday,

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Speaker 2: Saquet by the way.

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Speaker 3: But we are here for a very special purpose, which

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Speaker 3: of course is belotsore to eighty nine will be where

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Speaker 3: which will be of course on Friday. I believe the

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Speaker 3: main card kicks off on Showtime at nine pm in

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Speaker 2: Undercard at five thirty I thought, now five pm Eastern

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Speaker 3: Okay, five pm Eastern. That'll be on YouTube as well.

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Speaker 3: It'll be you and Morrow on the call. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 3: Let's start with this main event here, Big John raffae

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Speaker 3: It's unusual.

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Speaker 4: I'm just being honest, and I've even blamed Bellator for

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Speaker 4: not holding on in showtime. These guys have done everything

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Speaker 4: Look At, a fighter's job is to you know, train

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Speaker 4: and do that fight. But they've also got to sell

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Speaker 4: Look at Danny Sabatelo and raffee On Statts have done that.

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Speaker 4: Danny Sabateelo got his win against Ego, he did everything

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Speaker 1: The right way, and it was like, this is what

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Speaker 4: You don't let that momentum die. It died, and then

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Speaker 4: I'll do it individually. But they've been fantastic. They've the

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Speaker 4: hope the fight matches the build up and the talk, right.

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Speaker 3: It might not, though, I mean, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 7: That it was terribly negative Nancy since the moment we

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Speaker 2: No, he came out that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's also true. However, the reason why I

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Speaker 3: say that is because listen, all roads. Either it seems

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Speaker 3: to me this is a fair way to look at it.

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Speaker 3: Either Stotts is going to have a wrestling answer or

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Speaker 3: he's not. And if he doesn't look at.

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Speaker 2: It that way, gonna have a striking answer. That's what's

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Speaker 1: He comes from the boxing guy. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: Do I ever tell you about these I'm doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing your game enough all. Why tell me

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Speaker 3: what you think this fight hinges on?

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Speaker 2: Well, there does.

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Speaker 7: There is obviously some wrestling aspect to it. He's gonna

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Speaker 7: have to get the takedowns. But I think it's really

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Speaker 7: gonna hinge on to me. The cardio, the endurance of

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Speaker 7: rafaon Stots. He has been known to slow down.

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Speaker 5: He is a high out, not a high output.

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Speaker 7: He is an explosive fighter, and you've noticed in the

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Speaker 7: past most explosive fighters, they tend to slow down in

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Speaker 7: the championship fight.

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Speaker 5: Four and five rounds is a lot.

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Speaker 7: Keeping that explosiveness the whole time is where He's gonna

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Speaker 7: have some problems in that fourth and fifth. If Danny

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Speaker 7: I look at that fight and Magam is definitely better

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Speaker 7: And so I think Danny if Stots doesn't get him

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Speaker 7: The cardio is gonna be the key.

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Speaker 3: Let me push back a little bit. So in the

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Speaker 3: So how would you grade the ground and pound? Not

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Speaker 5: But I also look at there's a difference.

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Speaker 7: Ra Fion Stots is good off of his back, but

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Speaker 7: he's not great submssion threats are not But I've trained

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Speaker 7: Rafeion Sto's gonna use his body to get up. He's

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Speaker 7: you wrestle some more. There's a difference there, and so

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Speaker 5: Army guillotine.

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Speaker 7: Sean Bunch found that out sew much. One of my

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Speaker 5: That's the kind of mistake you can't afford with Rod

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Speaker 7: So I'm hoping to see Danny Sabatelo open up a

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me jump in and say some people have

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Speaker 2: in this matchup when you do have two successful grapplers

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Speaker 2: more Storly versus Amazov, where they're both gonna test each

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Speaker 7: I think you're gonna end up seeing two ferrets get

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Speaker 7: after it. You're gonna see two little ferrets rolling around, scrambles, exchanges,

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Speaker 7: all those things. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: Rafiontos wants to keep this on the feet because.

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Speaker 7: He knows his advantage on the striking is significantly more

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Speaker 7: than Danny Sabatelo's. Danny Sabatelo understands he needs to get

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Speaker 5: He's gonna have to use some big striking.

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Speaker 7: This guy will shoot from ten feet away because his

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Speaker 7: double leg, his single legs, a pick, all those things.

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Speaker 7: He covers distance probably better than almost anyone I've ever

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Speaker 5: Outside of Jordan Burrows.

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Speaker 7: That that type of wrestling is what he's got, that

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Speaker 7: set it up with like a fake jab, a fake

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Speaker 7: in those early rounds is when Stotts has the chance

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Speaker 7: I think will slow down as the fight goes on, John.

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Speaker 3: What do you think this fight hinges? Aside from what

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Speaker 4: The X factor that you're looking at is how much

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Speaker 4: damage does each fighter do in the given situation that

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Speaker 4: they're put in. Because if you look at Danny Sabateello,

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Speaker 4: his damage is through cardio.

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Speaker 1: It is make him work. I don't have to.

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Speaker 4: Be successful with my takedowns to make him work hard

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Speaker 4: On statts, he needs to do damage. He needs to

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Speaker 4: make him pay for every time that he does come

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Speaker 4: in for that shot.

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Speaker 1: Make him pay. Do not let him exit without.

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Speaker 4: Having something that came with it that makes him a

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Speaker 4: little bit less than he was as he came in

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Speaker 4: that first Let me.

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Speaker 3: Fall love with you if I can because obviously you're

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Speaker 3: a famed referee, but you are as well a trained judge,

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Speaker 3: and you've done some judging as well. You do the

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Speaker 3: official I say, the unofficial scorecards for the bell to

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Speaker 3: but for a guy like Sabatello against Ego who did

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Speaker 3: to wonder which way does the round go? If it's

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Speaker 3: Do you like the way the new rules are set

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Speaker 3: they don't really count ground control all that much.

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Speaker 1: I was part of that. I was one of the one.

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Speaker 4: I cannot stand someone that goes in there and tries

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Speaker 4: this sport is about. This sport is about finishing people,

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Speaker 4: and if you go in there, you should know I

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Speaker 1: The judges are gonna end up giving it to my opponent.

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Speaker 4: Because the top criteria is striking and grappling, which one

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Speaker 4: takes place more, that's what will get the most credit.

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Speaker 4: And if it's even in those now it goes down

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Speaker 4: And if it's even with aggressive, now it goes down

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Speaker 1: So control.

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Speaker 4: Every time I hear I listen to a broadcast and

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Speaker 4: I hear something always got great ring control, it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't do anything. It's not anything the judges are looking at.

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Speaker 4: And it shouldn't be because control. If we made control,

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Speaker 4: which it used to be something that was important, you

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Speaker 2: I want to jump and encounter you on that because

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Speaker 2: I feel like, for the first time, when a fan

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Speaker 2: I was spending too much time focusing on damage when

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Speaker 2: think when people think impact, they also think damage, blood

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Speaker 2: frustrating them, that obviously that'll never trump damage. But in

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Speaker 2: that wins the round though, right, No.

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Speaker 4: Because the impact really and I'm telling you I'm being

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Speaker 4: that did it because I had regulate regulatory people that

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Speaker 2: Oh so you're saying it's actually is damage. Yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Now it's got to the point where these people are like,

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Speaker 4: It looks like we're trying to hurt people. That's what

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Speaker 4: we're doing. The fun we're doing, Thank you very much, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't take a lot of common sense that when

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Speaker 3: That's just what we're looking. Let's just sanitized language. For

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: But the thing is, though, is that we get lost.

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Speaker 7: And everyone talks about damage, but we're getting lost. Also too,

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Speaker 5: And I'll give you an example my fight with Pat Healey.

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Speaker 7: You've got to have that type of aggression off your

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Speaker 7: Damage impact impacting the fight is more of what you're

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Speaker 7: we were getting skewed in that. Oh the guy on

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Speaker 7: top is always winning. Have you had to change that that?

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Speaker 7: Because fighters now are so well rounded, they should be

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Speaker 7: There's so many different ways now getting taken down against

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Speaker 5: It's pointless.

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Speaker 7: I mean, like you guys just use the wall walk Now,

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Speaker 7: Hoyst Gracy era of chasing submissions off their back. They're

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Speaker 7: guy who's chased six or seven submissions, maybe they weren't

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Speaker 5: Not just because he was on top. We're still stuck

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, they are terrible. Let let's talk about

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Speaker 3: But I guess what I'm asking you now is Stotts

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Speaker 1: He's in new places.

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Speaker 7: It's not be he didn't relocate because of that. He

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00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,119
Speaker 7: really cold acaus his family. He's from Houston, so he

440
00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 7: really could back down there to be closer to the family.

441
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,480
Speaker 7: And he had he had another baby, and so he

442
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,160
Speaker 7: wanted to get out.

443
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Speaker 3: Sure, because I talked to some folks at Rufus's gym,

444
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,440
Speaker 3: that was not their assessment of things.

445
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,439
Speaker 7: Now, his assaid he told me. He just told us

446
00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,160
Speaker 7: himself on our show just the other day.

447
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,320
Speaker 3: Nevertheless, it was a change. Yes, how has it impacted

448
00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,600
Speaker 3: him from what? From what you can tell anyway? Is

449
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,879
Speaker 3: he better? Worse? Kind of same? Is there is there

450
00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 3: any noticeable difference?

451
00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 5: We haven't seen enough of him to be honest.

452
00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,240
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, if you're gonna be honest about this

453
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,640
Speaker 4: and the way you're looking, is he better?

454
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Speaker 1: Is he worse?

455
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,080
Speaker 4: We saw him in that first you know round of

456
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Speaker 4: the Grand Prix where he took on one Archiletta.

457
00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,520
Speaker 1: Look, one Archiletta was looking good in that fight. One

458
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,720
Speaker 1: Archiletta was doing well.

459
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,920
Speaker 4: He was doing things that we didn't expect him to

460
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,280
Speaker 4: be able to do against Raffeon in the.

461
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,480
Speaker 2: Fashion that he can damage right.

462
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:21,680
Speaker 9: Yeah.

463
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you look and you go, hmmm, is it

464
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 4: because of the opponent or is it because of now

465
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,480
Speaker 4: he's training in a different place.

466
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Speaker 1: We're gonna find out what this fight right here.

467
00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,760
Speaker 4: I really believe that in that Rafaon, in that fight

468
00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,760
Speaker 4: with Archiletta, believed going in he can't out wrestle me.

469
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 4: I don't have to work on it. And I do

470
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 4: know where he was training at. He wasn't working on it.

471
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,080
Speaker 4: He was working on other things. Now those things got

472
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,320
Speaker 4: him the win in the end. Yeah, but you know

473
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,880
Speaker 4: he was pushing that wrestling to the side and let

474
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Speaker 4: me work on the stand up. Now he's going against

475
00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 4: somebody that he knows is going to wrestle, and he's

476
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 4: got to have his wrestling up to par. He said,

477
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 4: that's what he's been doing in his training, and we're

478
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 4: going to see exactly where he's at in this fight.

479
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:05,879
Speaker 9: All right.

480
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,439
Speaker 2: We're going through so many intangibles which you do in

481
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 2: a really close fight to see what's ultimately going to

482
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,399
Speaker 2: separate them here. So we talked about gas tanks for stots.

483
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 2: We talked about Sabotel is gonna have to do damage

484
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 2: if he does get top position. What about playing back

485
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 2: into the theme of this fight in the trash talk.

486
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 2: You know, if you from the position of having been

487
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 2: in great rivalries the gil Melendez won and being a punk,

488
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,640
Speaker 2: you've never been afraid to trade words. Some guys get

489
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,880
Speaker 2: get off on it. Sorry for the bad term there,

490
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,520
Speaker 2: but some guys use it as fuel. Some guys it

491
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 2: messes with them. How do you feel like you've gauged

492
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 2: how they've walked this out?

493
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Speaker 7: So I've never been someone that talked a lot of

494
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 7: trash to my opponent. I always respected everyone. The hardest

495
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 7: fight that I ever had, to be honest, when it

496
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 7: came to the actual inside the cage was against kJ

497
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Speaker 7: Noons because he was talking to me. He wasn't even

498
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 7: being mean about it. He was like, oh no, he

499
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 7: almost got me. Oh no yet, no, not gonna get

500
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 7: that one, and he was being friendly about it. But

501
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 7: it I blew my gas tank in that fight. If

502
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 7: you go back and wat I it was getting to

503
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 7: me the nerves. I don't know what it was, but

504
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 7: it was a fight. I look back, I just couldn't

505
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 7: perform I was struggled so much in that fight. Dominant performance,

506
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 7: but it was still after the first round, I was gassed.

507
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 5: It has an effect on you, now, it really.

508
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 7: We had Danny and and Stotts on this last week

509
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 7: and they both talked about, look, the talking's over, but

510
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 7: when you get in there.

511
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 5: Danny talked a lot about that pressure.

512
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Speaker 7: He's not just fighting Stots, He's fighting everybody because of

513
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 7: all the things that he has said, He's putting that

514
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 7: pressure on him. I don't think it bothers Stots at all,

515
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 7: because this is the way Stotts did It was not

516
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 7: like personal like fu Stotts did it in a way

517
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 7: that was I'm just gonna give you an asshoping because

518
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 7: that's what I'm here to do, whereas Danny has to

519
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 7: live up to that. He put a middle finger in

520
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 7: his face. You suck this guy's fucking trash. You're a

521
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 7: D two wrestler. You're not even on our level. I'm

522
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 7: a Purdue wrestler.

523
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 5: Like he's putting pressure, that pressure on him. I want

524
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 5: to see how that pans out inside.

525
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 7: The cage, because if he can't get a takedown or

526
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 7: two in the first round and thoughts starts talking to him.

527
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 7: It's a snowball effect that has the potential of really

528
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 7: skewing how this fight goes.

529
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 4: When you tell you tell everybody your opponent sucks and

530
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 4: then they beat you.

531
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Speaker 3: Right right, Well, not on that, but multiple audiences and

532
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 3: multiple cities that he's terrible.

533
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 5: You're he compared the big twelve Rustling.

534
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 7: There's no way this Division two guy is gonna ever

535
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 7: take me down, No way, And then you can't get

536
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 7: a takedown on a guy right now?

537
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 3: What And also, you know, to compare it to something

538
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: it's obviously it's very very different, but to go on

539
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 3: a media tour together in the way that they have

540
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 3: city after city, event after event, podcast after podcasts. They

541
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: came to city with us for a little bit as well,

542
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, we saw what happened with

543
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: Connor and Jose Aldo, where you know, Connor won that

544
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 3: one fair and square, but you're never gonna convince me

545
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: that was the best Jose Aldo. You're never gonna convince me.

546
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, what does that do tell the pressure?

547
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: Even before the fight starts, are they in the right space?

548
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 4: And I look at that you can take Connor and

549
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 4: Aldo and then you can take Connor and a Bebe

550
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 4: and here's your difference. Connor got into Aldo's heads so much,

551
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 4: got under his skin in a fashion that Aldo wanted

552
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 4: to kill him. I always say the best part about

553
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 4: fighting is you can sit there and say everything you want.

554
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 4: In the end, I get to try to punch you

555
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 4: right in the middle of the face, and you get

556
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: to do the same to me. That's a beautiful thing

557
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 4: because all the talking doesn't mean anything.

558
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: It's actions in that cage an account.

559
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Speaker 4: But with Aldo, he wanted to hurt McGregor so bad

560
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 4: that he took a big shot coming in, leaned forward

561
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 4: for I got out of position and got tagged.

562
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: Happens.

563
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 4: Look at the difference with a Bebe when he fought him,

564
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 4: stuck to what he does, and then when he got

565
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 4: to the good positions that he gets to, went into

566
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 4: his normal thing of let's talk now and started going

567
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 4: after him and just turning it around on him and

568
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 4: it ended up.

569
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Speaker 2: But here's the thing that we are talking about Abe,

570
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 2: who has like all time great makeup and in metal

571
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: in terms of his focus and poise and all that. Yeah,

572
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: what do we know yet about Sabotello? When you carry

573
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: a character. He's when you you know, Colby Covington went

574
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: through this, You like you're saying you got to answer

575
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: every time you're purposely with the pro wrestling angle trying

576
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: to get people booing. You do we do? We feel

577
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: like he's got that next level, which was one of

578
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: the key ingredients of what made him be great, to

579
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: just shut everybody out, focus on the task at hand,

580
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: and rise.

581
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 7: To the But see, I think you're comparing Colby and

582
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 7: and Danny. I don't think they're the same, even though

583
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 7: maybe the stick can maybe be the same. But this

584
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 7: is who Danny is. It's not a stick to him.

585
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 7: Like his normal lifestyle is like I fuck.

586
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: You, you know, like that's his Twitter bio it yeah fuck you.

587
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 7: And that's that's really that's who he is, Like he

588
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 7: he only doesn't really talks that way about the guys

589
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 7: he's fighting. He's not getting personal with their family, he's

590
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 7: not getting personal with religion.

591
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 5: He doesn't do any of that.

592
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 7: He's very vocal BYuT like, hey, I come after you

593
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 7: as a fighter, that you suck as a wrestler. I

594
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 7: think you're striking his garbage, that your cardio, I'm gonna

595
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 7: break you. Those are all those are all things. That's

596
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 7: how that's how he shaped this fight. That's how he

597
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 7: shapes his trash talking. I respect that because that's how

598
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 7: he feels about that person. When he's getting ready to

599
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 7: fight him, Kobe takes to another level in a different

600
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 7: direction and puts a lot of pressure on himself because

601
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 7: everyone knows the stick. You know, with Habib, it's completely different.

602
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 7: He was born and raised to keep your composure. That's

603
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 7: the way it needs to be, and that's how it

604
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 7: runs throughout. Everybody islam him. I have abaka all of you.

605
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 7: Those guys lose their temper, Yes, yes, yes I have,

606
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 7: but but in all fairness I did. I saw Hebbibe

607
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 7: with this is temper one time in the gym. It

608
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 7: was just sparring with a real good kickboxer and then

609
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 7: it was going hard. He was one hundred and eighty

610
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 7: five pound guy. He actually fights at one a five.

611
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to mention anyames.

612
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 7: I've mentioned it before and I got a little backlash,

613
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 7: but it was they got into it and Hebbi was like, look,

614
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 7: I got a fight in two weeks and you're fucking trying.

615
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 7: I was working with you and now you're trying to

616
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 7: take my head off, got into him mix up. He

617
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 7: just was able to get a take down. We had

618
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 7: to separate him.

619
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 5: But this is this is sparring, this is training, right.

620
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: You know.

621
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Speaker 7: We have a red room where everyone goes light. We

622
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 7: have a we have a call. It's like the dark

623
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 7: the cage room where everyone goes hard. This was the

624
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 7: red room and it was supposed to be light. And

625
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 7: he had a fight coming up. You could tell he

626
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 7: was tired, but he got a little heated. He was

627
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 7: upset outside of that though, No, he's very composed. Look

628
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 7: he you asked ask Bala Muhammad, and he wants to

629
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 7: smash you.

630
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 5: He'll smash you. He doesn't care, you know, he doesn't care.

631
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what it doesn't matter what way you are.

632
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 5: He'll smash it.

633
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: All right.

634
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: In the interest of time, let's move on to some

635
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: other fights because this card is big and snacked. So

636
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: in your co main event, Liz carmush is taken on

637
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 3: Julianavelaskiz for the second time for the audience's sake. Carmusch,

638
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: who is the champion, a plus one forty five underdog

639
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: to Velaskas, is minus one seventy big John, I'll start

640
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: with you on this one. Didn't love the stoppage in

641
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: the first fight. Didn't love it? Walk me through what

642
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: was wrong with it from your perspective.

643
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: Let me let me just say this in the beginning

644
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 4: here it is, first off, Liz Carmusch did nothing wrong

645
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 4: in this fight.

646
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: She did exactly what she was supposed to do.

647
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: She gets to a point in the fight and she is,

648
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 4: in my opinion at this point, losing the fight, but

649
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: gets to a point where she gets this crucifix position

650
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: and she lands some good shots, but they're just shots.

651
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 4: And you take a look. Look at where the position

652
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 4: right now of Alaska's is. Does she look like she's

653
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 4: in trouble? Now, take a look at where her hips are.

654
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: And as soon as you see her hips up in

655
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: the air and the problem was in the end, the

656
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: referee said, oh, she went unconscious.

657
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: No, you see where her hips are at that right

658
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: there is telling you she's not unconscious.

659
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 4: And what happens with sometimes a referee they start to

660
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: look at the what I call the micro instead of

661
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: the macro.

662
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: They start to focus.

663
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: In on eyes and they'll see someone get and so

664
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: you got to look at the entire body.

665
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: The body will tell you what's going on.

666
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 4: And so with her hips in the air, and you

667
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: take a look her right, take a look at her

668
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 4: right arm starts to slip through here to get herself out,

669
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 4: and just as she's starting to try to get herself out,

670
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: we have a stoppage. This was a mistake. It can happen,

671
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: but it's not Liz's fault. But it's also not fair

672
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 4: that Juliana didn't get a chance to get herself out

673
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 4: of a position that was not a good position. But

674
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 4: every other fighter would have been able, in normal circumstances,

675
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 4: been able to have that opportunity to get themselves out

676
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 4: and continue on. Not only lost the title, she lost

677
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: an undefeated record in a fight that you look at

678
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: and you go probably wasn't stopped.

679
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 7: There was only a couple of second stuffs in that round.

680
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 7: I think it was like twelve seconds thirteen seconds.

681
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: Although Big John will tell you, you know it doesn't.

682
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: Matter, it does.

683
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 5: It's not supposed to matter, but it does in the

684
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 5: tip of fight.

685
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: Speaking of whatever matters, not when ye're a referee in

686
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: that position. What I watched that my biggest complaint of

687
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: that stop, which was no disrespect to Liz, but it

688
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: didn't look like there was a ton on those shots.

689
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: Is that that's part of the that's part of the gauge,

690
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: just a piggyback.

691
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: It also does feel like if you get like a

692
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: crucifix position, the rest get a little itchy.

693
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: They do.

694
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know it used to be Roy Nelson

695
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: was the best because he would sit there and the

696
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: best is he would start to count.

697
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: Like but with punches are different than elbows.

698
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: She was doing elbows. But I don't care how many

699
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: times you hit somebody. It's how much damage you do

700
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: to them. You could hit them one hundred times, and

701
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look at you say better count to one

702
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: on one, or you could hit them two times. I'm

703
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: going to be saying, stop, get up. It's about damage.

704
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: It's not about how many times you touch them.

705
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: All right.

706
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: So, Josh, before though, before the stoppage and everything else,

707
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: what do you make of where these What did you

708
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: learn from the first Fighter's Well, I guess what I

709
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: would ask.

710
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 7: I learned that Juliana needs to work on her grappling

711
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 7: from the bottom. She also needs to start utilizing her

712
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 7: judo a little bit more. She's got great judo.

713
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: She had black belt in judos on the national team

714
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 5: for Brazilian judo. She just needs to focus on that

715
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 5: a little bit more of this fight.

716
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 7: If she doesn't remedy that situation, you're going to see

717
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 7: the same result. I think that Liz understands exactly what

718
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 7: she needs to do to get this done. You're going

719
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 7: to see more of the Liz approach of not standing

720
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 7: as much, punch to the clinch, grind on her against

721
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 7: the fence, and if she does get thrown into a

722
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 7: judo position and thrown to her back, She's comfortable off

723
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 7: of her back, She's comfortable in the grappling exchanges. She

724
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 7: feels like she's the more dominant fighter in the grappling.

725
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 7: She's fine with that. So what does she have to lose?

726
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 7: Being on the outside sticking to moving got her sat

727
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 7: to her ass the last fight, So she needs to

728
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 7: remember that.

729
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: And I think she's gonna remember that is this is

730
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 5: going to be a grind.

731
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 7: Liz is going to be pushing on her, pushing under

732
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 7: the fence, trying to engage that grappling, dropping down on

733
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 7: the double legs, trying to get back to that same

734
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 7: position they got the stoppage.

735
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: Where does offensive intention play in here? Because when krmush

736
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: stopped Cokna watt Nabi to get to this point, to

737
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: get to the title level, it was like, Wow, I

738
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: know that's maybe matchup dependent because she found that as

739
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: an opening that she can exploit. But the aggression was like,

740
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've seen that from Liz Carmus

741
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: while I was hoping it would transition into the title opportunity,

742
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: but obviously matchups can dictate. Do you think that was

743
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: an aberration or should be that?

744
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm being honest.

745
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: You know, we sat in the fight her interview with

746
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: UH with Liz before the Kanda watt Nabby fight, and

747
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: we said, where is it?

748
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Where's the aggression? Why is it that we're not seeing you.

749
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: Go after people? You have the ability? What is it

750
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: holding you back? And she told us she goes, I

751
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: see it and it's going to change. And then she

752
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: had that great.

753
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 5: Because the fight before that was I believe Deanna Bennett. Yeah,

754
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 5: and she just had to really lack luster.

755
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: Totally and against chef Chenko that's like one of the worst.

756
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: It's not like cheff Chenko was piecing her up. It

757
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: was Liz was not doing anything thing offensively too.

758
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: Where you look, you go.

759
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: You can't win if you're not offensive, and so you know,

760
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: we looked at we got that fight from wat Nabi.

761
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: I think she tried to go back into that same

762
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: mode against Velaskas, and like Josh said, she got sat.

763
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: To her ass.

764
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 4: She she was getting pieced up in the stand up.

765
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: But I think that she saw in this fight, look.

766
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm better on the ground than her.

767
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: I don't care about the judo, I don't care about

768
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: her Brazilian jiu jitsu. I'm better in that area and

769
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: physically I'm stronger. I'm gonna take her down. I'm gonna

770
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: put her back in that same position.

771
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: The question is can she do it?

772
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say the strength also, like you

773
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: don't want to overplay strength as a valuable tool, y,

774
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: she's her strength is.

775
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 5: It's a different changing, it's a different level.

776
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 7: You saw that when she fought Ronda Rousey, but she

777
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 7: got to the back, was given the squeeze. She wasn't

778
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 7: able to get the finish, but just well played by

779
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 7: Ronda in that situation.

780
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 5: But you can see Liz's a strong, strong female.

781
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: And also I believe Liz Carmush has changed camps as well. Yeah,

782
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: she's not on the She's now with Norfolk Virginia. I

783
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: forget the guy. The guy's name, I know him as

784
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: coach Chuck on instat but she has she has switched

785
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: things up of late as well, which to me, it's like,

786
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, when you're a veteran, sometimes changing late good.

787
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: It's a good thing.

788
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Do I feel pretty good about it? Right?

789
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 7: It depends on how comfortable has she been working there before,

790
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 7: has she had any type of camps there beforehand? She

791
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 7: should go out for a couple of weeks or months,

792
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 7: and then then decided when she took the fight, you know,

793
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna stay here.

794
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 5: It's that barrier of because I bounced from Jim to Jim.

795
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 7: During my off season. When I'm not off season, but

796
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 7: during between fights, I'd go train it. To Tours, I'd

797
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 7: go train it. Uh was a beach alliance. I went

798
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 7: alliance training with Frankie Edgar, go to different locations and train,

799
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 7: but none of them felt like home. So I didn't

800
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 7: stay during camps, but there was I was thinking about

801
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 7: going staying at the extreme with Tours because they had

802
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 7: at the time, they had Tyson Griffin, they had Great Maynard,

803
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 7: Jay Herron, I mean had uh Shawn Tompkins, all of

804
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 7: them there like everyone there. So I was thinking about,

805
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 7: you know what, let's just stay. But then as I

806
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 7: got there, was there for two weeks, didn't feel like home.

807
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 7: So if she's been there and it already feels like

808
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 7: home and then she signed fight, she's like, I'm just

809
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 7: gonna stay here, then I expect good things out of it.

810
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 5: But if she didn't, she's like, you know why, I

811
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: trained it for a week.

812
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm not.

813
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: I don't really know everyone just yet, but I'm just

814
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 5: do it anyways.

815
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: That that concerns me fair enough, all right, This fight

816
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: is the one that I gotta tell you. We talked

817
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: about the main event forever and then there's a title

818
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: fight in the Comaine. But Patchi Mix taken on Megamed

819
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: Maga Madoff that might be the most fun final on

820
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: the card, to be quite honest with you, Patrick Mix, Yeah,

821
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: plus one oh five for Paty Mix. Maga Medov a

822
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: minus one twenty five. Josh. When you think about what

823
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: this fight hinges on, it is.

824
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 7: What Maga man Maga Metov either utilizing his wrestling or

825
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 7: trying to capitalize off of.

826
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: His spinning attacks.

827
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 7: That's really what it's gonna come down to, because dude,

828
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 7: does he want to put himself in harm's way with

829
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 7: every takedown?

830
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: You're messing with fire.

831
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I've talked to so many people at extreme

832
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 7: tours and I've talked to a lot of people around

833
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 7: the Vegas scene. PATCHI Mix is the real deal on

834
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 7: the ground. He's better than almost everybody. I would say,

835
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 7: pretty much everybody. It's not even just that he's hitting

836
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 7: Kimoras and what plota is getting to the top, making

837
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 7: you work from the bottom and you just turn and

838
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 7: give your back and he's on. And they don't call

839
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 7: him the human backpack for a reason. He is somebody

840
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 7: that will finish you. He will get there, he will

841
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 7: slow you down. And I mean, John and I talk

842
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 7: about this all the time. He learned so much from

843
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 7: that one arch Leta fight that he under It was

844
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 7: probably the best thing that ever happened to him, was

845
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 7: understanding that if I get someone's back the first two.

846
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: Rounds and I don't finish him, I need to conserves some.

847
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 7: Energy and figure out how to get there again without

848
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 7: just taking shots and that was a huge problem for

849
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 7: him in that fight, and he learned so much from

850
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 7: that fight. All I've seen is just nothing but improvement.

851
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 7: Look look how he dispatched the Horgucci.

852
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.

853
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: You We're not the only one.

854
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: I'm sitting up at the desk going what the hell

855
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 5: is going on right now?

856
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: It also was it was his failures in that fight

857
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: that you had to be impressed with, because he didn't

858
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: get the finish, didn't matter. He learned how to conserve

859
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: his energy and just go right back to it and

860
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: him in a bad position. Hora Gucci then fought his

861
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: way out of it. But PATCHI mix is winning that

862
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: entire fight, and it was the maturity of I'm not

863
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: gonna gas myself just going after this this one time.

864
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 4: If I don't get it the right way, I'm just

865
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: gonna sit there and work towards getting.

866
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Up the better hold.

867
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: John said it.

868
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 7: The failures is the key is because in the first

869
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 7: fight with one, his failures after the first two rounds

870
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 7: turned into come on, hit me, that type of that

871
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 7: doesn't work when you're dealing with the top guys in

872
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 7: the world. You know, Warroxton is a beast at one

873
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 7: thirty five. You can't do that to someone he's gonna

874
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 7: piece you up. And he did that in that fight

875
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 7: against Horagucci. When it didn't work, he stayed composed, he

876
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 7: kept sticking with his game plan. You saw that laser

877
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 7: focus in him that you want to see out of

878
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 7: the best man, one of the best man of weights

879
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 7: in the world, if not the best.

880
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 5: I really kind of believe he's the guy to beat

881
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 5: right now in this tournament.

882
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: I like Stotts, Wow, I love Stotts.

883
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 7: I love Danny. I think Maga man Maga mana. But

884
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 7: I think right now that confidence of beating Horagucci and

885
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 7: the way that he's able to calm himself down now

886
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 7: and his striking's gotten a lot better and closing that

887
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 7: disc is getting the takedowns.

888
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 5: I think he's kind of the guy to beat right now.

889
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Does I feel like he's got a little bad coming

890
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: off of him right now?

891
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: So he's the biggest of them physically. I saw him. Oh,

892
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: we went to the high rollers thing You ever been

893
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: to high rollers in Vegas? No, it's the they They

894
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: spook a bunch of weed and they do jiu jitsu competition.

895
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: The money they just walk around handing it.

896
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty great.

897
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: When we saw him there he was with Jake. You

898
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: have to get hide and roll. Yeah, it's true. Jake

899
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: Shields was his cornerman. I think, of course he was,

900
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: and Jake, Jake brought him over and introduced us to him.

901
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, you're a fucking bansam Way like enormous.

902
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: Let's talk lessons learned on the flip side, because coming

903
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: into the term and I felt like Magamed Magamedov could

904
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: be the like dark Horse, he could be the sleeper

905
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: if he learned and evolved from the loss to Stots.

906
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: So big, John, what have you seen from him emotionally

907
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: and inside the cage to show you that that's true,

908
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: that he's still a pretty much a sleeper enter in

909
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: this final four.

910
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: I've been watching Maga man. I did it. I did

911
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: the first fight I ever did. His was in Russia,

912
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: probably five years ago.

913
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: It was against Peter Yng and it was a rematch

914
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 4: fight and that was the first time I wrote so

915
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: the incredible fights.

916
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: But it was the first time I saw this guy.

917
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: That man, he's not just a wrestler. This guy's got

918
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: great attacks and his stand up is good and he's

919
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: got beautiful kicks, and he needs to go into this

920
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 4: light the same way he did the Barzola fight in

921
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: that in bars you got in Barzola, you know you

922
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: got a guy that Barzola is like that guy in

923
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: the bar that you hit in the face and he

924
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: just looks at you goes and then he's you know, oh.

925
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: God, you're in trouble.

926
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 4: Well, he needs to look at that fashion of the

927
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: way he took his time and just went after him

928
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: in a systematic fashion of beating him on the feet,

929
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: and then when Barzola made the mistake, then he attacked him.

930
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: He cannot get into the position of utilizing his wrestling

931
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: to control the fight against Patchie.

932
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: It's not going to work.

933
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 4: He's going to be get you make one mistake, Patchi's

934
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: gonna end up on your back. So he needs to

935
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: change his basic style because his basic style he likes

936
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: to stand up, but he likes to take the fight

937
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: to the ground and then try to finish his opponents there.

938
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be an anti wrestler.

939
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: He needs to keep the fight on the feet as

940
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: much as he can because his his stand up. Although

941
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: he's shorter a little bit less in range all that stuff.

942
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: He's not as big as Patchy. His stand up technically

943
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: is better than Patchi's and then that's where he has.

944
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: He's got sneaky good stand Okay.

945
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: But let me let me fall all a sudden. You

946
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: mentioned about the spinning attacks. I don't in any way disagree,

947
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: but one thing I guess I would say, I have

948
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: a concern for him.

949
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I have the same concern.

950
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: Back exposure, absolute back exposure. You do back exposure against PATCHI?

951
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: Mixed?

952
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: Dude, You just giving him the fucking round. So how

953
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: do you manage? How do you how you thread that needle?

954
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: You know he throws hit.

955
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 7: Everything he does is off off of his movement. He

956
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 7: doesn't just sit in front of you and then throw

957
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 7: it and spin it. So he's gonna try to, I think,

958
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 7: move his lateral movement and as patch goes to step in,

959
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 7: he's gonna throw the spinning attacks.

960
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: He's got to be very careful. It doesn't matter how

961
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 5: he does it.

962
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 7: He's gonna have to be careful because if he comes

963
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 7: up short, you're giving him his back. He wants to

964
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 7: keep it at the end of everything, so he's continuously

965
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 7: out of range.

966
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 5: If he does. If so, he can't come up short.

967
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 7: It's when you come up short that you you land

968
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 7: with like your tricep, or you land with the back

969
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 7: of your calf and or you're the back of your knee,

970
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 7: which gives you the back because I've stopped the momentum

971
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 7: with my whole body now, so he's got to keep

972
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 7: it long. But if PATCHI does his, if he just

973
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 7: presses and pushes him beyond that black line inside the

974
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 7: cage where his back foots against the cage, he's got

975
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 7: a good chance of getting him there.

976
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 5: Anyways.

977
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 7: The other thing, too, is if you look at the

978
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 7: James Gallaher fight right with with PATCHI, that just because

979
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 7: he's good on the back, But you look at the guillotines.

980
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 7: You look at the arming guillotines he's been training with

981
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 7: Jake Shields.

982
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: Look at what Jake Shilds did his whole career.

983
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 7: Pull the head down, army guillotine, pull you down on

984
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 7: top of me, footsweep or a hook sweep. You get

985
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 7: to the top position mountain, you smash you even if

986
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 7: it was not like smash from him, but it was

987
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 7: still it was still that top pressure making you exactly

988
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 7: and so you take. I think he's gonna learn take

989
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 7: a lot from what Jake Shilds has done throughout his career.

990
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 7: I think Jake Shild's really molding him into be exactly

991
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 7: what he was, just a little bit better striking Big John.

992
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: The fights five rounds. Who does his favor more than

993
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 3: it is five as opposed to three?

994
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: Maga manh Why Definitely, because he's a guy that is comfortable.

995
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: It's just and I hate to say, it's the way

996
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: they these guys live their lives and train and what

997
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: they do, and Josh brings it up all the time,

998
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: is they don't train the way that we do. And

999
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 4: they definitely don't untrained the way we do. A lot

1000
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: of times, you know, you get guys that you know,

1001
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: they'll get into a h they have their fight, they win,

1002
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 4: they go home, they party a little bit, they start

1003
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: to you know, do other things, and eventually they start

1004
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 4: working their way back to the gym a little bit.

1005
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: Magamen is one of those guys. He doesn't do that.

1006
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 4: He doesn't drink, he doesn't party. He goes back to

1007
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: the gym the next Monday and his back training and

1008
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 4: trains the way that he trains and he's comfortable in

1009
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: a five round fight. I've seen him there. I've seen

1010
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: him with a guy that's pressing him the whole time.

1011
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: I thought I thought PATCHI did a great job against

1012
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: Hora Gucci, But in this matchup the five rounds, in

1013
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 4: my opinion, favors Maga Man absolutely okay.

1014
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: So also on this card, I do like him because

1015
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: he's built like fucking Hercules. But I don't know how

1016
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: competitive this fight is. Dalton ross Is fighting Anthony Adams.

1017
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: That's a great fight. Denise q Holdtz takeny Laura Joan.

1018
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: Don't sleep on Dynamite. She still got another run.

1019
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: Like a lot of FEMA fighters, her records a little

1020
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: bit uneven and doesn't quite.

1021
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: Speak to her ability autely.

1022
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: But this she's favored to win, by the way, not

1023
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: by a whole lot minus one fifty five. I have

1024
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: to tell you the one I've got my eye on

1025
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: a little bit. Kyle Crutchmer took it on Julia Willis.

1026
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: Kyle Crutchmer was a two time Big twelve champion, two

1027
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: time All American out of Oklahoma States, and Julil Willis

1028
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: was a guy who did really well on the regional scene,

1029
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: did well in a first couple of fights in Belltour,

1030
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: but has fallen on hard times recently. This is a

1031
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: tough fight for a guy like Julie Willis.

1032
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: Will you do you agree? I totally agree.

1033
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: It comes down to you get it's that blueprint, Luke.

1034
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: You know, all of a sudden, one guy puts you

1035
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: into you know you're in a fight with him, and

1036
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: he shows how to beat you, and every other fighter

1037
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: looks and goes, that's the way to beat this guy.

1038
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest. You look at Kyle Kretchmer and

1039
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: you look at Jalil.

1040
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: Both of them are good wrestlers. Kyle Kretchmer is the

1041
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 4: better wrestler, no doubt about it. Stand up Julia Willis

1042
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: is the better stand up guy. What has everyone been

1043
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: doing against Delile Willis lately? They go his wrestling is good. Still,

1044
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put him on his back because on his

1045
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: back he's not dangerous. And once he's on his back,

1046
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 4: now it's a struggle. He's got to try to get up.

1047
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 4: He's gonna give positions. I get the position, I can

1048
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: get the submission, and that's what's been happening. And so

1049
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: he's got to figure out how to get himself back

1050
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: to his feet if someone takes him up without putting

1051
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: himself in that same danger position.

1052
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: Fair enough. See how excited are you for Pat Downey?

1053
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to transition to because guys, let's

1054
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: let's be fair. A lot of the mm A promotions

1055
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: out there competitive space. What I love about Beltour is

1056
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: they find that guy. They found who's our guy, the

1057
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: guy that's big tun Big big Tuna. There was a

1058
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: knockout streak, there was a v Gozali with the submission streak.

1059
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: He was on the always like somebody I have to see. Obviously,

1060
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: Pat Downey is this transition project who has become that Josh.

1061
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: He can wrestle. We know that. We know it's a

1062
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: little spicy too, a little bit Craig Cray. Is he

1063
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: absolutely potential to be a title contender down the road?

1064
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: Is he on the right path or do we.

1065
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Just not know?

1066
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 7: Look at the hesitation So I know his managers very

1067
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 7: well and Dave Martin. Dave Martin handles him and he's fantastic.

1068
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 7: He's got He's somebody that needs to be stay focused.

1069
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 7: You need to have someone with him at all times.

1070
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 7: You need to make sure that he's constantly on the grind.

1071
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 7: You cannot give him too much time off. He can

1072
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 7: be easily distracted. But the upside, I've seen it. The

1073
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 7: upside is the upside is the ceiling, like you don't

1074
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 7: even know where it is. I mean, he's so good people,

1075
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 7: I rough Honestly, this is where I get into You

1076
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 7: tell me because I'm from the outside looking in, because

1077
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 7: I work from Aletaur. We do the podcast and all

1078
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 7: we do is get heat for this.

1079
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 5: What is the difference between Pat Downey and bow Nickel?

1080
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: Uh?

1081
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: Bo Nickel has better credentials? Okay, I'm much better? Uh

1082
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: pretty significant right, because.

1083
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: No they are.

1084
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 5: They are significantly better.

1085
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 7: But I'm saying in terms of marketability, like, sure you

1086
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 7: have the better credentials.

1087
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: Oh but like what Downey, if you can dial it

1088
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: back just a little bit, is well, Okay, the credentials

1089
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: are an easy thing to market, right, you have three

1090
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: national titles, absolutely fen state. But the but the personality

1091
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: factor from Downey is you wonder how big that could be?

1092
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: Could could be? Could be pretty.

1093
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: Big big like Bonneckle probably never uper decked a toilet, right,

1094
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: I mean you know, like you never like like that.

1095
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: Pat Donner probably did one this week, right, So that

1096
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: wildcar factor. But like you know, whether it comes through

1097
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: dominant wrestling or balls to the wall striking, are the

1098
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: goods there because or does it still need time?

1099
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 5: There's gonna always be need time.

1100
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 7: No one's gonna jump in in one or two fights

1101
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 7: and be like all of a sudden, you're gonna have

1102
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 7: no I mean, look at Connor, Patty Pimlet, all these

1103
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 7: guys that came out from other organizations, like even Bonnickel,

1104
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 7: he had to go through the contents a couple more,

1105
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 7: and it's they're gonna they need the time. The games

1106
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 7: evolved so much. This is not back in nineteen ninety

1107
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 7: seven when I started Buddy Okay.

1108
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 5: This is like you just show up at gyms and

1109
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 5: you're fighting guys. You even know what the records are.

1110
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 7: There's no Internet back then, so you're kind of hoping

1111
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 7: you're finding someone that didn't have the skill level you did.

1112
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: Right now, everyone knows everything about each other.

1113
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 7: You know, we know what the wrestling connectionals are, we

1114
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 7: know where they've been training, we know people have talked

1115
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 7: about how good they are in terms of grappling.

1116
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 5: Is they're jitsu good? What is it they're striking any good.

1117
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 7: Now there's more footage and video footage out there for

1118
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 7: people to see. I think the ceiling is definitely really

1119
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 7: high with him now. Like you said, is if he

1120
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 7: can keep it rained in and stay focused. I think

1121
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 7: in Bellator's part, you really need to keep him busy.

1122
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 7: If he's healthy, fight him right, because if you let

1123
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 7: him get astray, especially after a couple of big wins

1124
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 7: or a couple you know, you get five six wins,

1125
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 7: you're six and oh now you potentially could lose your

1126
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 7: talent if you started giving him.

1127
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 5: Too much time off.

1128
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 3: We'll see you about this big John.

1129
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1130
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: Back in the day, like do you remember? I remember

1131
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: I went to like amateur fights, like way back in

1132
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: like five oh six, and I had a couple buddies

1133
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: who fought, and I'd be like, dude, did you guys

1134
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: do blood tests for these fights? They'd be like nah.

1135
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: I'd be like, so this guy you're fighting could have

1136
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: like full blown HIV and you don't even care. He's like, yeah,

1137
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: probably probably.

1138
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 5: It was probably on a casino, right.

1139
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

1140
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 3: It was in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and it was a pool hall.

1141
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: They cleared out the pool tables and put a this

1142
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: is back when the ring was still more common, and

1143
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: then he fought in.

1144
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: Front of uh.

1145
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: And by the way, it was what the guy fought

1146
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: was Anthony Cheesteak Morris who ended up in wec and

1147
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 3: everything else. So actually it was a couple legit guys

1148
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: on the car. And so it's a good name, Sticky

1149
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: from Philly. So it's all right speaking of the ring.

1150
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: By the way, while we still have time with you,

1151
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: Bellatore versus rise In Mma, this of course will air

1152
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: on now. It's gonna take place in a different time

1153
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: because it's Japan, but I want to be clear for

1154
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: the audience's sake, it's gonna air on Showtime New Year's

1155
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: Eve at eight pm. So you don't have to watch

1156
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: Ryan Seacrest do his dumb ship. You can watch Risin

1157
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: or Belta versus Risin.

1158
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

1159
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: What a card? What a card? However, be uh big John.

1160
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: It is a phenomenal card. Anybody who knows anything can

1161
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: look at this and be like, Aha, this is no, no, no,

1162
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying, let's go here. Is one of the challenges

1163
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: for all of the excellence on the rise In Side,

1164
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: and it is I mean Roberto's on it. Just tons

1165
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: of good names. The American MMA fan is not super

1166
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: familiar with them.

1167
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely right.

1168
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: Attle bit of a challenge in getting the word out.

1169
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

1170
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 5: Quick, you guys need to promote this.

1171
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: I had the man. My man doesn't know that the

1172
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: word promote cover. But it's all right, It's okay.

1173
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: But you look, you look at Desusa, Robert Roberto de

1174
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: Susa was unbelievable as far as his ground game.

1175
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: And the guy and his submission ability. He really loves you.

1176
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: You talk about you talk. He brought up Jordan Burrows.

1177
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: This guy will shoot a double leg like Jordan Burrow's

1178
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: going to his knees and I go, don't do that,

1179
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: but he gets it. Yeah, and so he's fantastic. I

1180
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 4: think that's the toughest fight that there is in the matchups.

1181
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 4: When you're looking at it against AJ McKee, it's fantastic. Yes,

1182
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: you got clever, quaky ERPST who is going against Patricio

1183
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: pitt Bull. That's a fantastic matchup. Archi Letta going against Kim.

1184
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 4: Kim has proven himself to be and he's getting better

1185
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 4: as a fighter. These guys. You're absolutely right.

1186
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: The guys on the rise in side no one knows,

1187
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: but the two that I really look at.

1188
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: If you're going to say go to the three, the Kim,

1189
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: the IRPs and Satoshi, these guys are top le.

1190
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: What's the motivation here, Josh? Because this has like an

1191
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: All Star game feel and it's and I do think

1192
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: long term it's like one of those beautiful things that

1193
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: you want to see more of it. It could lead to,

1194
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: you know, brighter pastures for people working together and all that.

1195
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: But if you're a fighter entering this platform, like you know,

1196
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: you're not fighting on the normal lineage in your path

1197
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: for a title, it's like this one off. Are they

1198
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: going to buy into that and just want to I

1199
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 2: guess my fighters? The fighters. My second question is, well

1200
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: we see fireworks because it's kind of like a one

1201
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: off All Star game that's going on.

1202
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: And not the cage.

1203
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Let's just let what I want for different rules.

1204
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 7: But what I want, what I want people to fans,

1205
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 7: media and fighters to understand is this, you guys need

1206
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 7: to do your job.

1207
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: Not you guys.

1208
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 7: I'm saying you guys need to do your job in

1209
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 7: promoting yourself.

1210
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: Fighters need to do that. Media is going to do

1211
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: this in terms of coverage.

1212
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 7: Coverage, Okay, see what they did there, Okay, But what

1213
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 7: I'm saying is in an opportunity like this, you need

1214
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 7: to let it all hang out. You cannot afford to

1215
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 7: let this moment pass. This really comes down to every

1216
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 7: fighter needs every organization to succeed because there's so many

1217
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 7: top level fighters in the world. Managers have been coming

1218
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 7: to and going like, look, if PFL folds, we're screwed.

1219
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 7: Like if Bellator folds, we're screwed. We've got two hundred

1220
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 7: fighters on our roster. In terms of management, like what

1221
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 7: are we gonna do? Like there's nowhere else for these

1222
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 7: Every fan should be wanting every promotion to succeed because

1223
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 7: this gives these these avenues for these fighters to go.

1224
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 7: So fighters, if you guys, this is a big opportunity

1225
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 7: in terms of co promotion because who knows, this may

1226
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 7: lead to PFL then fighting you know against Bellatore, maybe

1227
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 7: you have Rising and then who knows, You.

1228
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 5: Never know, there could be some sort of relationship with one.

1229
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 7: They're gonna all need this to join together, or they're

1230
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 7: gonna need some sort of And I've said this for

1231
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 7: the longest time, even said it on the On.

1232
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 5: Joe Rogan Show.

1233
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 7: I want to see an Olympics maybe every two years,

1234
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 7: maybe every four years, of the best fighters, maybe not champions,

1235
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 7: so not any organization really gets killed, but you have

1236
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 7: fights that you really want to see.

1237
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 5: How great would it be to see Stephen Thompson versus MVP.

1238
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 3: Oh would be tremendous.

1239
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 5: Thank you. Now he doesn't have to be your champions.

1240
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 5: But I think that those type of events you get

1241
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: the hardcore fans.

1242
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 7: They start buzzing about this every Olympics every four years,

1243
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 7: like the World Cup.

1244
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: Shit.

1245
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, we have the fights that everyone's

1246
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 5: wanted to see.

1247
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: And it's also when you look at it, the fighters

1248
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: would want to do it. For one thing, you're taking

1249
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 4: a look at this Belotour rising. Every fighter from Belatore

1250
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 4: has to go to Japan, has to fight in a

1251
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 4: place you know that is uncomfortable, a ring that is

1252
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: different than a cage, under a different rule set, and

1253
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 4: they all want to do it so bad because I

1254
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: get to fight in Japan. I go back to the

1255
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: old Pride days I used to. That's how I came

1256
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: up watching these fights. My whole dream has been to

1257
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 4: fight there and they're getting that opportunity, and you want

1258
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: to make these special times, these special moments for the

1259
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: fighters to get excited about, because like anything, you know

1260
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: your job, there's things that you do all the time.

1261
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 4: They're boring, but there's things that get you excited, and

1262
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 4: you want to have those moments.

1263
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: And I want to be clear too, fighters in different

1264
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: organizations have or i a should say, different organizations have

1265
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: sent their fighters to compete in another organization that belitar Rising.

1266
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: This is different. This is Belatore. The entire card is

1267
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: Belatour versus Rising, and the Belitour guys are going to

1268
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: Japan in the KR excuse me, in the ring, and

1269
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: I believe they can soccer differ in Japan.

1270
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Correct, any any head strike in any position is legal.

1271
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: So yes, you can soccer kick, you can stop, you

1272
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: can need the on the ground grounded fighter. You can

1273
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 4: elbow because in Pride and there wasn't but now with

1274
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: Rise and rules, you can elbow.

1275
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: You can do a twelve to six elbow.

1276
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 4: Which is the stupidest rule ever, but so they're smart

1277
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: enough to figure that out. Yes, the rule set is

1278
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: different and it's gonna be an advantage, no doubt that

1279
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: there's an advantage for the Rising fighters because they fought

1280
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: that way. Anytime you go and take a look at

1281
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: crow Cop. When crow Cop came from Pride into the USC,

1282
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: he had problems in the UFC in the beginning, and part.

1283
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Of it was the rule set. It's different.

1284
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 4: You can't do the same things. You have to get

1285
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: used to it. So there is an advantage there. But

1286
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: that's part of what it is, you know. I think

1287
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 4: the next time you know Rising guys come to Bellato

1288
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 4: or or whatever it is.

1289
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see.

1290
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 7: Though, because the history of the relationship between whether it

1291
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 7: was Strikeforce and Dream, we had a relationship there as well,

1292
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 7: and then you have now Belatour with Rising. It's I

1293
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 7: don't want to say it's been one sided, but we've

1294
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 7: sent our fighters over there.

1295
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 5: We've had Aoki over here, and that was pretty much

1296
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 5: about it.

1297
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 7: Hor Gucci fought Caldwell after Colwell had already went there.

1298
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 5: So I want to see it become a little bit

1299
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 5: more skewed, not skewed, but I want to see it a.

1300
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 7: Little bit more split down the middle. Now I understand

1301
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 7: their New Year's zev show is enormous. I fought there

1302
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 7: I was the comin event there against Kyla Jerry.

1303
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 5: It's fantastic.

1304
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 7: It's a week long of just nothing but press and

1305
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 7: it's it's amazing. I understand why fighters want to do it,

1306
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 7: because if you talk to past fighters, Rich Franklin talks

1307
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 7: about all the time. My one regret has I never

1308
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 7: got to fight in Japan. His biggest regrets, like I

1309
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 7: would have I should have left the UFC just for

1310
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 7: a split second to go fight over there.

1311
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 5: That's his biggest regret.

1312
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 7: I've talked to him when I worked at one and

1313
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 7: with him, he just like man and I've had several fighters, Patricio,

1314
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 7: He's always wanted to fight there. He's always it's just

1315
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 7: that nostalgia of Patricio.

1316
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 5: No Patricky fought there, I imagine.

1317
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking. I thought Rich Franklin fought Lioto Machida,

1318
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1319
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 5: Maybe it was inside maybe wanted to fight in something.

1320
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: Then he wanted to.

1321
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 7: I think, so okay, So then maybe then maybe I

1322
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 7: misunderstood in terms and he wanted to fight in Stoma

1323
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 7: because I got to St Thomas Superie Thomas super Arena.

1324
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: You fought him in you fought him in Macaw because

1325
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: not the same.

1326
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of Japan, I always wanted to ask you because

1327
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: we always, you know, tell stories about man. Do you

1328
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: hear like Andre the Giant was so big in Japan

1329
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: he had a ship in the bathtub and then the

1330
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: other day in the studio like Luke might not want

1331
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: this public, but like you blew up that commotion.

1332
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I destroyed it.

1333
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh, like no one will ever use that restroom again. John,

1334
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: when you go to Japan and you're a very large man,

1335
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: like you must have shut ship down there. You got

1336
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: a great story about closing down a fast food or

1337
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: what you know?

1338
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: Can you believe I have tied by editorial fortunes?

1339
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: This man, it is, Japan is awesome to go to.

1340
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: I do have stories. Ken Shanrock was the first one

1341
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 4: to tell me. He says, hey, he goes, you know

1342
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: when you go to Japan.

1343
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, they're gonna want you to hit him.

1344
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: He goes, don't do it, Like and I was like,

1345
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 4: what what are you talking about?

1346
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I swear to God.

1347
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: So you know, fans would come up and they go,

1348
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 4: you know, I can't say it, but you know I

1349
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: would say oh, and they would pat to their arm

1350
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: and they wanted you to hit him, and he said, hey,

1351
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: if you do it light, they're gonna say you're weak,

1352
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, blast them. So I was like, you're nuts, right,

1353
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 4: sure enough, I'm standing there outside of a pancreation.

1354
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I gotta hit the mark.

1355
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: Boom you I mean, you blast, hold their arm and stuff.

1356
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 4: Next guy comes up, All right, this is different than

1357
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 4: any place in the world.

1358
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: Oh it's hysterical, you know, but it's the truth.

1359
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 4: They get into fighting in a different fashion and they

1360
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: want the experience of every body. They want to know

1361
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 4: how strong you were. Well, you know what what you know,

1362
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 4: grab a hold of this. It's part of you know,

1363
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: just the culture there, and that's why it's awesome.

1364
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 7: When I was over there for Pride, they treated it

1365
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 7: like because I fought in Priva Shido.

1366
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 5: They treated it like they didn't want their fighters to

1367
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 5: be accessible.

1368
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 7: I wanted to get a sweat off, but that said

1369
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 7: Pride on and I had to go out into the

1370
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 7: area where you buy clothing. But they had seven eight

1371
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 7: guards surround me like as if I was Lebron. James

1372
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 7: and Michael Jordan like it. And then every time some

1373
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 7: close no, no, don't touch him, don't touch.

1374
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: It was like this big ordeal.

1375
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 7: People are taking their their cameras and trying to take

1376
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 7: photos over the top. They wanted to make it feel

1377
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 7: that way, and that's what I think what really makes.

1378
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 5: The fighters want to go back over. I want to

1379
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 5: be there. I want to fight there. The fans there

1380
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 5: are just different.

1381
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: They're just different, and they're respectful, absolutely clap, They're pretty

1382
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have been paying attention

1383
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: to World Cup, but like the Japanese, well no, I'm

1384
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: just gonna say, but it's making the news that like

1385
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: the Japanese fans will clean up the stands when they leave,

1386
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: and even the Japanese team cleans up their locker room

1387
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: before they leave without even being told to. They're just

1388
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: sort of a very social.

1389
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 7: Quick story on that is when I went over there,

1390
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 7: first time I've ever seen a homeless person in Japan.

1391
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 7: So what they do is they roll their tent out

1392
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 7: at night, they sleep in their tent, and then they

1393
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 7: roll it up afterwards and.

1394
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 5: They sweep their area where they sleep.

1395
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Yeah, well we're running out of time, so

1396
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 3: real quickly, very quickly beltore two ninety. Of course, their

1397
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: return to CBS I say the return to CBS it is.

1398
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: It's the Nima return. But I keep having to catch

1399
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: myself saying it's not the Strikeforce return.

1400
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Or the Elite x C. Well, the elitic C.

1401
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: It's just it's just belto. But we're just a few

1402
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: minutes here very quickly, Big John Beader versus a million inco.

1403
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm surprised fad Or is still fighting. He wants this one.

1404
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: Size it up for me, man, it's hard to you.

1405
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 4: Know, I look at it and so I feel the

1406
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: same way as you. First off, I love fad Or

1407
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: a million inc. I thought he's done such an amazing

1408
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 4: job as being a fighter an ambassador for the sport.

1409
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 4: It's the the integrity that he has and the way

1410
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 4: he conducts himself.

1411
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: You're just looking, you know, he's special.

1412
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 4: There was, you know, the moments that you know, there

1413
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 4: was the possibility of coming to the UFC that didn't

1414
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 4: work out, and so that's one of the things that

1415
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 4: you look and you go, you wish kind of he did.

1416
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 4: So he was able to show exactly you know what

1417
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 4: he was the first time I ever worked out with

1418
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 4: him was what told me, uh oh he was so fast.

1419
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: Now this is a long time ago, you know.

1420
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: But he was so fast compared to everybody that I

1421
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 4: worked that was a heavy way. It was like, oh

1422
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 4: my god, he gets there before you realize you know

1423
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: exactly what's going on. And so he still has certain

1424
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: attributes that amaze me.

1425
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: At his age. His hand speed is still he's.

1426
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: Fast, insane how fast will not he has not lost

1427
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: any power in that. Now he fights different than he

1428
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: used to fight against Baer the first time.

1429
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: Look at Beater Lander, a beautiful left.

1430
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: Not much of a fight really, No, Beater was also

1431
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: on fire.

1432
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: I think we also have to do.

1433
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: He was.

1434
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: A run of proving himself at that level.

1435
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 4: And so you look and you go, you know, I

1436
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 4: looked at you know, and Josh and I have talked

1437
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 4: about it with Bader, Dude, you need to stay at heavyweight.

1438
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 4: And he went back to light heavyweight. I didn't think

1439
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 4: it was the right thing for her to do. And

1440
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: now he's going to stay at heavyweight. But you got

1441
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: to give it up that, you know, Fador in his

1442
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: last fight, they're giving him a title fight, which is

1443
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: kind of crazy.

1444
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: When you're down. Let's be honest, you know.

1445
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: You got a guy that could actually take your title

1446
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 4: and then walk away with it, and you've got to

1447
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 4: now go whole tournament.

1448
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: But if he does, that would be oh my, he does,

1449
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: but it is an amazing moment.

1450
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 7: To be honest, I honestly didn't think he was gonna

1451
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 7: win his fight in Moscow when he fought uh Johnson.

1452
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 7: The way he was able to take the shots from

1453
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 7: the big guy as well as deliver his speed in

1454
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 7: his hands, it impressed me.

1455
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: I definitely did.

1456
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 7: It was almost like counting the clock back. I didn't

1457
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 7: think that fight was gonna get out of thirty forty seconds.

1458
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: It's just amazing to me. I believe he fought crow Cop.

1459
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: That's like Thomas Superreena. Yes in two thousand and four, Yes,

1460
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: in two three or four. Yeah, I remember that fight

1461
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: being like, that's the best heavyweight or the biggestweight ever

1462
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: may fight.

1463
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: Five, All right, Fado versus cro Cop.

1464
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: That was like it was critical countdown. I'm not sure,

1465
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: but in any case, we're talking to fifteen.

1466
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 5: Isn't homined to go back that far like fifteen.

1467
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 4: Plus years ago, and here he is more definitely more

1468
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 4: than fifteen years closer to twenty right, amazing.

1469
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: Look our d just passed Frank Yegar for most octagon

1470
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: time in the UFC. But you've got more than that.

1471
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: I got a lot more.

1472
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: You may have the most, no one gives. He may

1473
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: have the cage time of it. Like like literally, there's

1474
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: not a better person to have on a podcast and

1475
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: just talk and tell stories because seems freaking everything.

1476
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: Seen quite a bit and they have to go see more.

1477
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: We are out of time.

1478
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: Does does Keith Peterson really smell like bitches and hose?

1479
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1480
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: Uh like domina crud? I want to know this, you know,

1481
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: that's that's what the Patreon. Yeah, I'm gonna start up

1482
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: new Patreon podcast with James Krouse. It's called Parlays and.

1483
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. If you guys want more of the

1484
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: Weighing In podcast, of course you can get it on

1485
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: YouTube or any other preferred place that you asked them too.

1486
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: And of course you're gonna be on the desk for

1487
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: Belt nine and you're gonna be on the call very

1488
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: good on a.

1489
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: G one not Athletic Green Sports.

1490
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: You guys on air at all.

1491
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 5: It's that brother sister kind of relationship.

1492
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 7: She's she's she's a real treat.

1493
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 5: She's so fun though.

1494
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: She's pretty great. Well We appreciate you guys stopping through

1495
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: for let you run. Thank you so much, Josh, thank

1496
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: you so much.

1497
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: Big John.

1498
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: Just can't wait to see the fight songs.

1499
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 5: This sign better, this is a better around.

1500
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: You were several this time.

1501
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: And even get to talk ship with you. You know,

1502
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: go ahead, talk like I was going to tell him that,

1503
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, don't forget it was an m a major

1504
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: journalist that ended the other punks a career, you know, journalist.

1505
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 3: Oh like that Michael Jackson.

1506
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: There, there's gonna be a verbal battle.

1507
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 5: Okay, can we get some promotion for that fight? I'm sorry, coverage, sorry,

1508
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 5: coverage exactly.

1509
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: All right, how do you want to do this? Yeah,

1510
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 3: you can just walk out, Hey, get the guy.

1511
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having us.

1512
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, appreciate you, thank you. I'll just give

1513
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: you the fifth pound. Thank you, Thank you, Big Johnny

1514
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: John really appreciate you.

1515
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: It's like hanging out with old friends.

1516
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: That's right, That's right. Should I switch to that one?

1517
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: You know, I mean we are we are at this point. Look,

1518
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: we're like common law, you and I. Right, we might

1519
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: as well just bang to on the Patreon.

1520
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: Luke and Brian have sex, all right? Let me switch.

1521
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: Oh dude, you just spray animal.

1522
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 10: Oh my god, I got I gotta pop with that one. Huh,

1523
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 10: I got a pop with that one. Holy ship balls

1524
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 10: you all right there, fellaw here, let.

1525
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: Me switch with you, Let me switch you. I want

1526
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: to switch seats. That was fun.

1527
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: All right, there we are.

1528
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: There was this towel used before, guys. You don't luke.

1529
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 8: I once threw up on a plane in Denver and

1530
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 8: the lady next to me pulled some toilet paper out

1531
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 8: of her purse and she was like, son, take this,

1532
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 8: but don't worry.

1533
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't used.

1534
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: That's a terrible story.

1535
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: It was weird.

1536
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really weird.

1537
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: Be seen.

1538
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: You need to get your thing out because we have

1539
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: to tell everyone about our partner.

1540
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't take my thing out for just any well,

1541
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: in this.

1542
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: Case, you have to do it for Athletic Greens. So

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Speaker 3: Athletic Greens BC of course, something we use every single day.

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01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 3: I take Athletic Greens because I want better gut health

1545
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Speaker 3: energy and I don't like taking eight gazillion pills and vitamins.

1546
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: Brian Campbell, Yeah.

1547
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. That was weird.

1548
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 3: Right, hey, listen, when the comedy hits everybody just reacts.

1549
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Luke, I want to be healthy. It's hard,

1550
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: though you know, it's the way I was raised. It's hard.

1551
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: But with you know, one scoop of that magic green

1552
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: powder and eight ounces of water in the morning, stir

1553
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: it up like this, and I feel like I'm cheating

1554
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: the system a little bit because it doesn't taste too

1555
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 2: medicinal like your marijuana vape pen. But what it does

1556
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: is it's got, you know, Luke, a small micro habit

1557
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: that leads to big loyal gains. And how rare is

1558
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: that in this day and age.

1559
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 3: It certainly is seventy five high quality vitamins, minerals, whole foods,

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1561
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Speaker 3: day just effing right.

1562
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: And it's also lifestyle friendly, Luke, for like thick boys

1563
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: that ride bicycles. And also, I see what you're doing

1564
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: people that eat keto, paleo, vegan, dairy free, gluten free,

1565
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: whatever you're into. On the side, it's free. It contains

1566
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Speaker 2: less than one gram of sugar, no GMOs, no nasty

1567
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: chemicals or artificial anything. But yet it still tastes good, Luke.

1568
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: And it's less than three bucks a day. I know

1569
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: what you spend on that habit.

1570
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the last by the way, I've been

1571
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: doing good today.

1572
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you just violated the fire code because Kyle

1573
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: at the front desk. Who's a dude, Kyle at the

1574
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: front desk of this hotel that we're at. He was

1575
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: like to Campbell colme this mouse like bro, He's like,

1576
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm a day one. Donk brother, Luke? He did? He

1577
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: did tell Jake on Amsterdam, please tell Luke no vaping

1578
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: in this hotel. It wasn't a bit though, I really

1579
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: it was like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mgdorium. By the way, Athletic Greens has over

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1588
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to the to the part that it's verbatim, Luke.

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Speaker 1: There you go?

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Speaker 3: let's talk about if we can hear UFC two eighty two.

1634
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: You are right, yeah, sorry, just I piped, you know,

1635
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: I got like went down the wrong pipe.

1636
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay. Now we did do a UFC two

1637
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 3: eighty two pregame preview.

1638
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

1639
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: It was great.

1640
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1641
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't get some pronunciations of some names right,

1642
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: but I tried.

1643
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a good faith effort there.

1644
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: I like, that is the thing.

1645
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 3: Here's what I did. I looked it up like how

1646
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: to do it, and had someone who was check send

1647
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: me the videos where he pronounces it. It's more yeazy

1648
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: than yeasy. But apparently the R is almost like a

1649
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: z R, so it's like your z or. I can't

1650
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: do it.

1651
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how. Every time that I talk about

1652
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: for wrestling, you're like, BC, I can feel the viewers unsubscribing.

1653
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this one here.

1654
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: Every time you wrestle with those names, people are like,

1655
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: just say the motherfucker.

1656
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I can't do it very well either way.

1657
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: Wrestling.

1658
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: He's not fighting on this card. Here's who is Joan

1659
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: Bohovich taken on mangabd on calive b C. Let me

1660
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 3: read you the odds. Yeah, plus two thirty five for

1661
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,479
Speaker 3: Yon minus two eighty for on calith Fair.

1662
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: It is because you know, you look back at that

1663
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: run Uncle IAV's on since that what lost in his

1664
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: UFC debut to Paul.

1665
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: Craig, Yeah, which was he was winning that fight up

1666
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 3: until the very last time.

1667
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean the run that he's on, you know, he's

1668
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: he's shown you the power. He can finish you and

1669
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: hammer you out. But obviously you know he's coming from

1670
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: from from the hammer zone right now. I mean he

1671
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: could take you down and grind you down. Luke, he

1672
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: looks to be like the guy who's next in line,

1673
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 2: maybe not kicking your door down on the way there,

1674
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: you know, the same way like Mahachev looked at times,

1675
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: or Kyle, like Uswan der maga Metov just winning the

1676
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: belt or title, You're like, oh God, the best is

1677
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: yet to come. Like this guy is gonna flower into

1678
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: something insane but steady. But surely Maga man Andnkliev has

1679
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: built this wind streak. He's absolutely in position right now

1680
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: to take advantage of the of the craziness that's that's

1681
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: going on in the division post John Jones, but also

1682
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: right now with that title becoming vacant and them not

1683
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,959
Speaker 2: giving Glover exactly what he wanted to make it work. Dude,

1684
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 2: Uncliav is the one who benefited from it. The company

1685
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: went to bat for him. They see and feel that potential.

1686
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: So Yan I believe is that perfect foil coming back

1687
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: and getting a second chance at what was already an

1688
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 2: unlikely streak. But then, you know, we look back at

1689
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: the way he lost the Glover. It's all Glover, but

1690
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, Jan crumbled and fell apart just like that,

1691
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 2: and the fight was over. It's a redemption time. I

1692
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: think you have to favor Uncliave though, from what we've seen,

1693
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: he's just been on such a run where you know,

1694
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: he's when you're when you can control the terms of

1695
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: the fight. Luke that aggressively for that long, you know,

1696
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: it makes the other guy feel like he's walking to

1697
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 2: school uphill both ways.

1698
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you're like everyone's dad.

1699
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: Yea.

1700
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 3: I will tell you this one. It's well, we're gonna

1701
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: talk more about this on Friday. We'll do some like

1702
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: an in depth x's and o's. I will tell you

1703
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 3: for this one. I don't have a great read on

1704
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 3: how exciting this fight will be because there's one version

1705
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 3: where there's actually just a couple of rights.

1706
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: Because if Yan takes chances to make it a fight,

1707
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: that's actually probably in some ways the worst case, He's

1708
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: gonna walk right into Anklive's strap.

1709
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 3: Yon's also good, by the way, we don't talk about

1710
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 3: this enough about Yaeblo, which one of the best guys

1711
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: at checking leg kicks in ufc uh. Actually I think

1712
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: it's what undid is he when they fought, to be

1713
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 3: quite honest, also.

1714
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: Has incredible poison patients, meaning he won't make it an

1715
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: action It'll only become an action fight if he gets

1716
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: caught with something and is visibly hurt, and then it

1717
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 2: sort of becomes there he makes some.

1718
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 3: Kind of tremendous error along the way. Now, he did

1719
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: speak to our CBS sports brethren, Shaq Majori, about working

1720
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 3: with a mental coach. He now has a mental coach.

1721
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: That's a big part of his life. Let's play that

1722
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 3: clip and let's react to it.

1723
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 9: Well, it's something that Donald Thorny talks about a lot.

1724
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 9: Have you had a chance to sort of process and

1725
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 9: digest and think about why wasn't.

1726
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: Feeling like himself that day.

1727
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why I right right now, why I work

1728
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 6: with a mental coach.

1729
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah that's amazing, man, I'm.

1730
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: In the place in my life. Yeah that's why.

1731
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm begging you know, she just you know, we

1732
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: do small changes in my head and ever expect to normal.

1733
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 9: I was just talking to Anthony Smith. He was very

1734
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 9: open about his mental health. I just started seeing a

1735
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 9: psychologist for the first time a few weeks ago. You know,

1736
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 9: it's it's an I would argue the mental game is

1737
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 9: maybe the most important part of the fight game, and

1738
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 9: so you know, it's something everyone I think could benefit

1739
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 9: from it.

1740
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes you don't need it, you know, I

1741
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 5: don't need it for you, you know, and in the

1742
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 5: nine I need it.

1743
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1744
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: I not a single issue with this. I can't imagine

1745
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 3: anyone in the right mind that would, but I would

1746
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: imagine some folks will try This is exactly what a

1747
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: guy like this should be doing.

1748
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that was a part of you know that,

1749
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: I saw the first embedded episode for this week, and

1750
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 2: that was sort of a big part of that. He's

1751
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: traveling with the with the I mean, look, it's become

1752
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 2: a sort of trendy thing, but it really should be.

1753
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: It's gonna become a mandatory thing, right.

1754
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 3: People just think that you can out tough your circumstances,

1755
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:50,839
Speaker 3: and in a lot of cases you can.

1756
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 2: Not without any luggage. Though you're gonna take it back.

1757
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: You're exactly like this idea that like, you can get

1758
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 3: through life as nimbly as you can without having mental

1759
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: health or in various other ways. This is more competitive

1760
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 3: mental health, but without having that worked on and examined,

1761
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 3: like it it is only a good thing. It doesn't

1762
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 3: mean to win, doesn't guarantee you anything, but it means

1763
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 3: I'll give yourself the best chance. I wonder though, like

1764
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 3: if Unclia, I don't know about this fight, Like do

1765
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 3: you see him potentially taking down Blahovich and then you know,

1766
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: kind of grinding him out for some reason, I think

1767
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 3: he could do it. I don't know that he will.

1768
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 2: You know, I do have this sneaky feeling like it

1769
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: will be a little bit tense and boring, and it's

1770
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 2: already like, you know, we talked about some pregame preview.

1771
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna crap on the promotion, which has had an

1772
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 2: incredible year and just delivers every time. But you know,

1773
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: the December pay per view, especially when it was on

1774
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve, used to be a major It used

1775
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: to really mean something. And I don't doubt that they

1776
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: didn't try hard to make this John Jones's return or

1777
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: whatever was the original vision. And then you get the

1778
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 2: bad luck of the rematch of the fight of the

1779
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: Year that we all want to see falling apart. But

1780
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: like even with Patty there, this card is incredibly unsexy,

1781
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, the main event is probably more than likely

1782
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: going to play out on sexy as well, which means

1783
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 2: more of a technical striking battle from distance, but one

1784
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: that I think unclav will be able to control. And

1785
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: then I think my question is then will Yan try

1786
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: to shoot just to try to change up the scenario

1787
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: or you know, momentum. Will he end up being on

1788
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 2: a point where he waits too long to kind of

1789
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: make his move and needs to try that. I don't know.

1790
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot of like this certainly has. It's a

1791
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: great fight on paper, it really is. I mean, hardcore fans,

1792
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: you know what you're getting. It's an interesting, contrasting fight, But

1793
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't love Jan's chances here beyond that, we already

1794
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: know Uncle Iav is on fire and the favorite. I

1795
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: really don't love this fight for him. I think style wise,

1796
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 2: this is going to be I.

1797
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 3: Don't know if I love anyone's fight when they have

1798
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: to go up against Uncle. I have to be honest

1799
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 3: with you, but I will say this. We haven't really

1800
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: talked about it. We didn't talk much about it at

1801
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 3: all on the pregame preview, which was okay. But let's

1802
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 3: put aside our prejudices in the sense that what if

1803
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: Lahovic does win and then becomes a two time light

1804
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: heavyweight champion, what does that do to his legacy?

1805
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 2: You think, oh it, well, doubles down and enhances his

1806
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: mental toughness because it's it's incredibly hard to do when

1807
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: you go out there. I mean, he already had an

1808
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: unlikely run, like we talked about, and you give him

1809
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: so much credit for kind of getting out of that

1810
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: bubble of being not a journeyman but a guy that

1811
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: traded big wins and losses against some of the best

1812
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: names and was was a guy that was trying to

1813
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: reach up and get up in the rankings and couldn't.

1814
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 2: And this other thing he makes his move and then

1815
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: he gets beat devastatingly, and I know it wasn't like

1816
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: a one punch knockout when he got subbed by by

1817
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: h to Share or Glover to Glover to Share. Yeah,

1818
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: what his name is, but Luke. At the same time,

1819
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: it was so one sided that that could, dude, that

1820
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: could snuff out your future motivations, especially when you're at

1821
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: that age and you're like, all right, I came as

1822
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: far as I can go. Let me take a couple

1823
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: of fun you know fights on the way out. I

1824
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: know I offer that sort of it could go that way.

1825
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 2: A bunch of yours like, well is it you know,

1826
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 2: does it ever really go the way? Yeah? Sometimes Luke,

1827
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: people's careers or motivations fall apart. If he comes back

1828
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: again and beats a guy that he's not favored to,

1829
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: and you already give him credit for the adjustments he

1830
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: made in the in his one title defense against a Assnia,

1831
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: which I think is a win that will always stand

1832
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: out on his career, even with the size difference, that

1833
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 2: he already did a lot to change whatever reputation or

1834
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: whatever fighter we thought he was. If he does this,

1835
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: it's almost you know, it's almost a folk legend Luke

1836
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: the Polish legend. Are you really smelling that microphone.

1837
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 3: Scratching my nose? Why don't you go spit more water?

1838
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 3: By the way, they put that up on Twitter already.

1839
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 2: See they're always just waiting for me to screw up.

1840
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, and boy did you ever? All right, let's again,

1841
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 3: we did a big preview on this, so pre game preview.

1842
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna have another big preview on Friday. So I

1843
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: don't want to believe the point. However, your comin event,

1844
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 3: Patty Pimblett. By the way, BC, this one did surprise

1845
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 3: me a little bit, minus two point fifty against Jared

1846
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 3: Gordon's plus two ten. Now, before we get into the

1847
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 3: actual analysis of this, we have another clip of Jared

1848
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: Gordon speaking to our own Shaquille MAJORI and I gotta

1849
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 3: say one of my least favorite points of analysis from

1850
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 3: really anyone, and not I mean I'm not calling out

1851
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: Gordon per say. What I'm saying is you hear this

1852
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: a lot and I just really am not a big

1853
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 3: fan of it.

1854
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: What Oliver is a quitter? I hear that a lot.

1855
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 3: Write that one. Let's get to that here from Jared Gordon.

1856
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 6: He makes a lot of mistakes and he has a

1857
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 6: lot of holes and I just have to capitalize on it.

1858
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 6: But you know, he's tricky. He definitely you know, he

1859
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 6: throws flying stuff. He's flying knees, flying arm bars. You know,

1860
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 6: he swings when he goes, he swings in bunches, you know,

1861
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 6: and the four ounce gloves on anything. You know, one

1862
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 6: of those could put anyone out. So but you know,

1863
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 6: I know he.

1864
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 11: Uh has some quitting him. You know, he's quitting other

1865
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 11: fights and he uh, you can't ever, ever, ever unlearned

1866
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 11: that that's just something that he's been, that he's born with.

1867
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 6: I've never quit. I never will.

1868
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 11: You have to literally kill me to quit, figuratively and literally.

1869
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 3: So I mean for people to know that Jared Gordon story.

1870
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 9: I don't think even death can stop Jared Gordon any

1871
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 9: I've died three times.

1872
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, b see, I gotta say the it's not that

1873
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: there's nothing to that. It is true that if there

1874
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: have been really difficult moments and you have allowed yourself

1875
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: to quit, whether it's training or fight or anything else,

1876
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 3: if you could clear the sound in my ear, it

1877
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 3: is true that you can create really bad habits and

1878
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 3: never really push yourself. But the idea that you actually

1879
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: can't train that is just matter of factly not true

1880
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: you one thousand percent.

1881
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: It's always dependent upon the person, and sometimes a person

1882
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: can look like a quitter but then figure it out right.

1883
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just the it's the growth

1884
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 2: of men. It's why we do these documentaries to be

1885
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: very fair. But I think in this case, Luke, it's like,

1886
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 2: I love what you started with, Like you can never

1887
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: overvalue the stuff. I always think a fight starts when

1888
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: they sound the contract. Okay, That's what I always believe,

1889
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: meaning all of That's why I take interviews seriously, even

1890
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: them goofing around a lot of them to make fun,

1891
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, try to get a good answer or play

1892
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: the inkles. But I always believe every interview, press conference,

1893
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 2: like all way in the stairdowns, all that ceremonial shit

1894
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: that a lot of people are just like, that's that's

1895
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, icing on the cake. I want the I

1896
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 2: want the meat. I don't need no more sauce. You know,

1897
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm saucy, Luke. I don't want to overvalue that because

1898
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: hearing that makes me want to go, oh shit, Gordon

1899
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: is for real, and I think we do have to

1900
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: take into account his wild backstory of perseverance and overcoming,

1901
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: which can matter up to a large point, but it

1902
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: only matters in my opinion if Patty has a part

1903
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: of him that that can be broken. And yeah, okay,

1904
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: we've seen him broken before what he just said, But

1905
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: has he solved that? Has he learned from that? I

1906
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 2: have to say, in trying not to get too seduced

1907
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: by one interview ahead of the fight, I watched last

1908
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 2: night Patty sitting down with broto Komotive ESPN. Not because

1909
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: I got a crush on Brett, because he's a fantastic

1910
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: journalist Luke okay, and.

1911
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 3: I cheer for him, which you also have.

1912
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: He was a brother in this game with me, dude.

1913
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: His interview with Patty was the best I ever heard

1914
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: Patty come across. It was the most ridiculously absurdly confident,

1915
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: yet's still humble enough to basically say, I know you're

1916
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: gonna hear the cliche, but this is the best camp

1917
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: of my life. Like by far, I maxed everything out

1918
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 2: because I know this fight demands me to go to

1919
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: the next level. And he's very aware, you know obviously

1920
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: where his brand is and could go and he's sort

1921
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: of saying the right things. Of course, of let me

1922
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: fight Connor next, it'll be the biggest payer view ever.

1923
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: But I did watch that and I was like, oh shit,

1924
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 2: I know again it's cliche to say it's the best

1925
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: camp ever, and he even pointed that out. But there

1926
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: was a level of determination to what he was talking about,

1927
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: what he was really fighting for, and it's not the

1928
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: fame and the money, and you know, this could be

1929
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 2: a acting but still just about winning, and it's about

1930
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 2: winning to him. And something about that spoke like that

1931
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: might be part of that sort of secret weapon he

1932
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 2: has inside the intangibles he has that have gotten to

1933
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: this point, even though some steps along the way were like,

1934
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: oh that guy not that good. You know that guy

1935
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: not that good. Watch you'll see, well he's been pretty good.

1936
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: Even if Gordon won't quit, and even if he is

1937
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: as good as he is, who's actually the better fighter

1938
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: if they both show up, Luke, that's the real question

1939
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: in this fight. I think that's still Patty right.

1940
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 3: This is why I like the escalation for Patty. This

1941
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 3: is an appropriate escalation for me. I just get the

1942
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 3: hebgb's when guys are like, well I've never quit and

1943
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: they have and it's like, right, Okay, that might be true,

1944
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: but skills win fights. So what happens if you get

1945
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 3: to a point where you put pressure on him and

1946
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 3: now he's much better than you thought and he actually

1947
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 3: doesn't quit and everything you told yourself about who he

1948
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 3: is no longer holds true. Now where are you to me?

1949
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 3: I just really don't like the idea a because it's

1950
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 3: not true that people can't work on the mental toughness.

1951
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 3: They can. And then secondly, it sets yourself. You set

1952
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 3: yourself up for disaster when like, hey, I really gave

1953
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 3: it to this dude and he just is still firing back.

1954
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 3: What the fuck do I do now? On the ground,

1955
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 3: I mean, here are the losses that Jared Gordon has suffered.

1956
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: Grant Dawson, he got re Nika choked around three, but

1957
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 3: grand Dawson is a very good grappler, okay, good wrestler

1958
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: as well. Charles Olavera knocked him out in the round

1959
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 3: when he was sort of marching into him, and a

1960
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 3: very early version of him though, yeah I was twenty nineteen.

1961
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 3: Then he had two back to back losses in twenty

1962
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 3: eighteen too. Diego Fajeda and Joaquim Silva his wins in

1963
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 3: the UFC. By contrast uh Michel Quez, Hochran, dis Dan Ray,

1964
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 3: Chris Fishcold, Danny Chavez. This is where it starts getting interesting.

1965
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 3: Joe Seleski, which was a split, but that's a tough opponent.

1966
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 3: And then in his last fight, Leonardo Santos, who was

1967
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 3: a very good grappler. Albeit this fight doesn't assaily the

1968
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: best showcase of it.

1969
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: Still like I'm not saying Patty has done enough to

1970
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: completely convince all of us. No, he hasn't, you know,

1971
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 2: in terms of the opponents or the performances. But he's

1972
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: getting better each time and growing my confidence. But to

1973
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: be honest, Gordon hasn't I don't want to say hasn't

1974
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: beaten anyone, but he hasn't beaten anyone that's gonna automatically

1975
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: give me the confidence even with that great take and

1976
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: even with his background and all that that he's going

1977
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: to march in there and break Patty fair enough.

1978
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 3: But Gordon has fought better fighters than Patty. That's a fact. Oh,

1979
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 3: yes he has.

1980
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, yes, Well, I guess I'm the on

1981
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: the whole, on the whole. Okay, what about the pressure level,

1982
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 2: because the one thing that the brett Okomodo interview with

1983
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 2: Patty did talk about at length there and shout out

1984
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: to Shaka Mmay by the way, Faul, do you want

1985
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 2: more Shaquiel Missouri? Check out his shack MMA YouTube channel

1986
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 2: for more interviews. But one thing he Patty to talk

1987
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: about Luke is like this stage, like he doesn't feel pressure.

1988
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: And I know you can say that Pauli Malnajet the

1989
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: greatest quote aver of pressure. I make love to pressure.

1990
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: But Patty said it in a way that like a

1991
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: there are those few aliens out there, Luke. You know,

1992
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: Conor McGregor was one of them who was very vision

1993
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 2: heavy ahead of it, you know, speaking it into existence.

1994
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: Obviously you've got to have the ability and the luck

1995
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: and the magic to go with that. I don't know

1996
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 2: if Patty has all that at the end of the day,

1997
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's going to break at this level.

1998
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: Is Gordon ready for this level? This is a pay

1999
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 2: per view comin event, Like you know, we could talk

2000
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 2: about that maybe it shouldn't be, but at the end

2001
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: of the day, Patty's probably selling this pay per view right. Also,

2002
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: what's more important to the to the if you take

2003
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: the average fan, meaning you take you know, the hardcore fan,

2004
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: the casuals, all that and you and you bring them

2005
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 2: together and average out their fandom. Are they here for

2006
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: Patty or are they here for the let heavyweight Championship.

2007
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 3: Patty Patty? And not just the British fans, the American

2008
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 3: fans too. This is the part. It's like, obviously Patty

2009
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: is going to be very popular at home in the UK,

2010
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 3: fair enough, but the reality is American fans have taken

2011
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 3: to him at this point as well. And dude, they're

2012
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 3: gonna be booing Gordon like, I don't let me a

2013
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 3: serious question. Do you expect to hear in that fight?

2014
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: USA Chance? I gotta tell you, I really don't know.

2015
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 2: This is Vegas, not Florida.

2016
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 3: Now, granted I heard USA Chance Trevor Prangley fought Yuki Condo,

2017
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 3: even though Trevor Prangley, while a white guy, is from

2018
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: South Africa, and the crowd didn't know that one of

2019
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 3: the great moments an anime fandom that has ever been.

2020
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 3: So they were just being racist as shit, but in

2021
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 3: this particular case, not in play because you have two

2022
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 3: white guys, So not really the dominant factor. But nevertheless,

2023
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out, like Patty Pimblet is, like I'm

2024
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: not gonna say he's transcendentally popular. That's a little bit extreme,

2025
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 3: but his popularity definitely crosses boundaries. Yeah, of Gegrad.

2026
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: So that's sort of my question regarding Gordon's makeup, not

2027
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: that you know, he might not have it. He's overcome

2028
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 2: so much in life, but there are levels to this,

2029
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 2: and Patty does seem very comfortable when propped up in

2030
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: those two London cards, which weren't pay per views but

2031
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: had quasi pay per view feel to it, and he

2032
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 2: was up in very important fights, you know, the third

2033
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: up from the top, but it was clear he was

2034
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: the featured fighter. What does that do to Gordon?

2035
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: Luke?

2036
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 2: Because you can talk yourself into I'm the spoiler, I'm

2037
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: the villain, I'm coming in here to take what's mine,

2038
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: and then you get out there, dude, in Las Vegas

2039
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: is going to feel like the brightest, biggest stage possible,

2040
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: because Luke, it is, Dude, this is the big leagues.

2041
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: Of big leagues. It'll be interesting to see. I don't

2042
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 3: really know the full answer yet. Again, we're gonna do

2043
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 3: ex's and O's on Friday. But it is for sure

2044
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 3: in that sense, in that the very way you're describing it,

2045
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 3: Patty will have hometown advantage, so to speak. Yeah, big lights,

2046
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 3: big crowd, big stage, all eyes are on you. How

2047
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 3: do you react? Well, Patty, we've seen reacts really.

2048
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: Well, really well. Right, he rises to the occas. Yeah,

2049
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 2: that's why I think right now, even though nobody wants

2050
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: to overly call him the next Con McGregor and give

2051
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: that sort of stamp on his potential, his ability to

2052
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 2: rise in the moment has been what's what's gotten him

2053
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: over the bum Remember that first UFC fight. I thought

2054
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: he was gonna get knocked out. D He was taking

2055
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 2: big shots, and he sort of found a way to

2056
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: eat them, make the adjustment and get it. He's got

2057
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: that sort in you know, able to swim in the

2058
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: deep end and figure it out mentality. Obviously, there's a

2059
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: limit on the level of opponent you can get away

2060
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 2: with that on but watching Connor, for example, which is

2061
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: why this comparison makes sense, try to continually dare to

2062
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 2: extend that limit to one punch on Although who would

2063
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 2: have thought, right, that was fun to see him get there. Yes,

2064
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: this is the right escalation. But no, Luke, I do

2065
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 2: not believe this is the trap. This is not the trapluke,

2066
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: This ain't the trap.

2067
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 3: All right, b See, in the interest of time, let's

2068
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,480
Speaker 3: move along here. This is a big change. So initially

2069
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 3: Santiago Ponzinnibio was set to face Robbie Lawler. Lawler is

2070
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: out in his place is now Alex Morona out of

2071
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,759
Speaker 3: Fortis MMA. He bangs out, He does bang. Alex Morena

2072
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 3: is on a four fight win streak. Now, he did

2073
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 3: lose to Anthony Pettis back in twenty twenty, in January

2074
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty, but since then he beat Donald Serroni,

2075
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 3: David Zawata, Mickey gall and then a good guy out

2076
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 3: of the DC area, Matt Summelsberger. Was a bit of

2077
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 3: a tough fight, but he got it done. Here he

2078
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 3: takes on pons and Ibio. So Ponzinibbio has to take

2079
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 3: on an opponent who he did not really prepare for.

2080
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 3: Moreno is you know, in the broader sense, not highly

2081
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 3: dissimilar from Robbie Lawler.

2082
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,480
Speaker 2: Didn't he dismember Seroni?

2083
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 3: Yes, but uh, you know that was a really.

2084
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: Well it was everybody was doing it.

2085
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 5: I get it.

2086
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 3: But but yes he did.

2087
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: Now.

2088
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: In the case of Ponzinibbio, he did have the win

2089
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: against Miguel Baza in twenty twenty one, but since then

2090
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: lost a split decision to Jeff Neil and lost a

2091
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 3: split decision to Michelle Pareeda BC. If if if Pons

2092
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 3: Andibbio had to fight Moreno and he had like a

2093
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: twelve week camp, I'd probably be very comfortable picking Ponzinibbio.

2094
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 2: In this case, it's a little bit triutcard, right, yeah,

2095
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 2: especially if Morono comes out looking at this as like

2096
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: nothing to lose house money, you know, like Luke when

2097
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 2: they snapped the football and somebody it was clear that

2098
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 2: somebody was on the defense was like off side, So

2099
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 2: it's like a free and you're like, dude, throw it deep,

2100
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 2: throw it straight up in the air. Right this is

2101
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: this might be one of those fights with Morono. Just

2102
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 2: go after it, dude, Just let that ship fly and

2103
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: if you connect, you you you make an advancement.

2104
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: Here.

2105
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: The pressure is on Ponzinibious, not on Morono.

2106
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: All right, very good.

2107
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm just slinging truth at you like Indiana Jones's whip.

2108
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 3: I'd be lying if I said, and by the way,

2109
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 3: let's be the catchweight of one eighty I believe because

2110
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 3: of the late change. So take that for what it's worth,

2111
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 3: Darren tell take it on drinks, dud.

2112
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: This is serious time for Darren Till. It's serious.

2113
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: By the way, he is the betting not by much,

2114
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 3: but he is the betting underdog in this fight. Can

2115
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 3: you believe it?

2116
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: No?

2117
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe it because since getting that close

2118
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: win over Stephen Thompson to get the title shot, it's

2119
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: been what what is he one in one in five,

2120
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 2: the split decision win, and it's like, what's what's hard

2121
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: in that? It's you know, it's by the way, it's

2122
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: it's ironic that his one win by split decision, even

2123
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: though it should have been unanimous, came against Kelvin Gasoline

2124
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: because they have largely seen themselves fall into the same

2125
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 2: fate where like you just never know what you're gonna get.

2126
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 2: So it's like this losing streak has been disastrous when

2127
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: you fetill, when you package it with the injuries he suffered,

2128
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: which is why he's been out for fourteen months, and

2129
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: he's had issues with the law outside of it, Like

2130
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: it's just been like a constant sort of you know,

2131
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: hiccup and snare. Yet he's fought good at times. Dude,

2132
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: that loss to Robert Whittaker, he really pushed and challenged

2133
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 2: him and fought at a very high level. He made

2134
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: Robert Whittaker fight his fight to a certain degree even

2135
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 2: though he lost. So it's like you've seen flashes of it.

2136
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: But look, if he loses this one against the guy

2137
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: who certainly is aggressive with knockout power and has is

2138
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: in this fight to win it, which is why the

2139
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: odds are where they're at. But it's not like duplas

2140
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: does not have holes. If Darren Till can still find

2141
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: either the old darn Til or find a darrun Til

2142
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 2: two point zero that still works, he can win this

2143
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: fight to save time and continue a new march. But

2144
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 2: if he loses now, he's not even thirty, so he's

2145
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: not getting caught Luke. But if Darren Till loses his

2146
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 2: third in a row, he's already changed weight classes, Dude,

2147
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 2: the overall streak will be like one in six. What

2148
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 2: the hell happens next? He's already switched teams. Look, this

2149
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: is must freaking win. Yeah, so he gets to the UFC.

2150
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: He has a draw.

2151
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 3: Actually he beats uh Wendel Olivera or Vendel Olivera. Then

2152
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 3: he has a draw with Nicholas Dalby. He beats Jesse

2153
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 3: ayari Bojan Velikovich. Then the big one back in twenty seventeen,

2154
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 3: he'd bet Don Serroni. He had a fight against Stephen Thompson.

2155
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 3: Let me just be very clear that fight sucked, and

2156
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 3: Thompson has a claim to that fight as well.

2157
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 2: It was tactically fun, No, it was terrible. It wasn't

2158
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 2: the Woodley re matchros better come on, okay, but then he.

2159
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: Loses to tarn Woodley. Then he got his lights put

2160
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 3: out by Jorge masbitdal He got the split decision win

2161
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 3: over Kelvin gastlim in twenty nineteen. Then he had the

2162
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: sort of like moral victory ish kind of territory with

2163
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 3: Robert Whitaker. But he loses that one VI unanimous, and

2164
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 3: then he got choked out by Derek Brunt. That's the

2165
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 3: bad one in twenty twenty one. This is his only

2166
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 3: fight in twenty twenty two, by the way, So in

2167
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 3: addition to the losing streak, we don't talk enough about

2168
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 3: this because of the injuries and everything else. Who has

2169
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 3: just not been active.

2170
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: He was supposed to fight somebody last fall and he

2171
01:28:59,200 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: got hurt.

2172
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 3: Here are the fights that have fallen through. He was

2173
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 3: supposed to have Robert Whitaker fight that fell through, a

2174
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 3: Jack Hermanson fight that fell through, and obviously he thought

2175
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: Robert Whitiker after the fact, but her Tory fell through.

2176
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 3: And then one of the originally schedule Brunson fights fell

2177
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 3: through and they made it happen a little bit later.

2178
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 2: So look, as big of a fight as this is

2179
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 2: for drinkis Duplessy, and it absolutely is for him to

2180
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: continue this momentum and look a good looking guy he

2181
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: comes out and throws bombs. I mean, there's a there's

2182
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 2: a future for this guy if he keeps winning. As

2183
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 2: big as it is, I think it's bigger for Darren Till.

2184
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: And why are not enough people saying that Luke? There

2185
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: are people like I've.

2186
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 3: Always think people have written him off. To be honest

2187
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 3: with you, I just don't care. Well, here's the thing.

2188
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 3: They haven't formally declared that they don't care, But I

2189
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 3: think that a lot of people are kind of like, Eh,

2190
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 3: we've seen the Till experience. We know we're gonna get

2191
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 3: which may not be fair, but I get the sense

2192
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 3: that we're up against that and now we have a

2193
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 3: lot of time to go through.

2194
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 2: Here fighting for Liverpool. Here is he fighting to win?

2195
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: Is he a Liverpool issue? Oh yeah, yeah, so he's

2196
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: trying to win Liverpool back. Patty took it from.

2197
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: Him, right, dude.

2198
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 3: That scout's accent is very unique. So you know what's

2199
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 3: interesting about this ouse accent? If there is if a

2200
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 3: word ends in the letter K, they grind it so

2201
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: like like uh, cake has e on the end, but

2202
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 3: it's the case the last sound, so it's kick cake.

2203
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2204
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 2: It sounds like they're doing fencing while they're talking. That's

2205
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: what it sounds like.

2206
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: Right.

2207
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 2: There's just like these weird sort of noises like somebody

2208
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: had the symbol like you're like, and.

2209
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 3: Then they have weird with words like they call like

2210
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 3: food scran.

2211
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 2: So molly me Paul's Scouts are two, right, Mike Owens

2212
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Media one of the best, one of the best.

2213
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:29,879
Speaker 1: Mike.

2214
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 3: Wow, All right, Bryce Mitchell taking on a Eliot's to

2215
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 3: poor I don't have a whole lot to say about it.

2216
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 3: Someone's oh must go Bryce.

2217
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 2: You should have a lot to say about it. We

2218
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: did on the pregame a.

2219
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 3: Limited amount of time.

2220
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: But this is the best fight on the card. Unbeaten

2221
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: versus unbeaten hammer time versus a guy who can take

2222
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: the fight to the ground.

2223
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 1: To your head.

2224
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 3: Who wins this one?

2225
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 2: Because that that power is for real? And I think mentally,

2226
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: I think mentally he's a hammer. I think he's coming out.

2227
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 3: To do to me, absolute lutely, far and away, next level.

2228
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 3: I think he's next level. And Georgians Georgian. He is different,

2229
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 3: is he He's Georgian, Yeah, Spanish Georgian. But he's Georgia.

2230
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's German, Spanish Georgian. But who's the Armenian guy

2231
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: that we're talking about recently?

2232
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 3: Who the fuck is yelling out there?

2233
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,879
Speaker 2: Probably a fighter? This is the this is the belator

2234
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 2: hotel Luke, all right, I love that fight, and let's

2235
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 2: see if you know hold on.

2236
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 3: So here is here is what you have seen from

2237
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 3: Eliot's a Poria. He gets to UFC, he beats Yusuf Zilal,

2238
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 3: he decisions him. He knocks out Damon Jackson in round one.

2239
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,759
Speaker 3: He knocks out Ryan Hall in round one. A couple

2240
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: of fights fell through with Charles Jordan and ev Loev.

2241
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 3: He viciously at one fifty five knocks out Jai Herbert

2242
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,839
Speaker 3: and here comes Bryce Mitchell. Bryce Mitchell, you're asking about.

2243
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 2: His fight Ryan Hall too. Huh didn't he fight Ryan

2244
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 2: Hall as well?

2245
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 3: I just said Ryan Hall checked him in the first round. Yeah,

2246
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 3: that was on the Poria McGregor three cards.

2247
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Then that fight he went and chased him down

2248
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 2: and dealt with the with the Ryan Hall games. And

2249
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: then just.

2250
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 3: Understand, he's a young I think he's like twenty six

2251
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 3: or so something like that. How old is he twenty five?

2252
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 3: He's twenty five, He's already a black belt in jiu jitsu.

2253
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,799
Speaker 2: Dude, look at his first look at his before the UFC,

2254
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 2: Like five of his first six fights were submission wins

2255
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 2: or something like that, Like he was a sub guy.

2256
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 3: And rear naked choke win, guillotine win, mounted guillotine win,

2257
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 3: anaconda and on all.

2258
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 2: Now he's winning ko ko ko, So you've seeing the

2259
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously those are against lesser competition, but dude,

2260
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: he's he's something. And Bryce Mitchell I think has maxed

2261
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 2: himself out, meaning like he is as good like he is,

2262
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: he's getting better, but like he's close to his and

2263
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: he's a very good fighter. But is that ceiling too

2264
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: low against a guy like Tupuria, because if if the

2265
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: shots get stuffed, Luke, this this could be a violent Not.

2266
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 3: True that Bryce Mitchell is a gimmicky fighter. It's not

2267
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 3: true at all. He is very skilled, he is very,

2268
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 3: very complete in many ways as a grappler. But it's

2269
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: got to go his way, that's right. There's a certain

2270
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 3: limit to what he does as well. We don't know

2271
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 3: exactly how far he can take it, but this is

2272
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 3: going to begin to tell us.

2273
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 2: And I do think he has the intangibles to become

2274
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 2: a champion, meaning like you know, I think he'll fight

2275
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: till till they till they finish him. But I think

2276
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 2: he'll take chances when he needs to. I think he's

2277
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 2: a smart fighter too. But you're right, he might just

2278
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 2: hit those limits against the guy who is a freaking

2279
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: well rounded hashtag holy hammer athletic.

2280
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: You know, the whole nine yards doesn't have a lot

2281
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 3: of damage on him.

2282
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: Has it? Nothing aggressively cool tats too, just sort.

2283
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 3: Of like he is, uh, he's out there. Okay, let's

2284
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 3: talk about this because this is a huge story. I

2285
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 3: wish we would have led with this one, to be

2286
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 3: honest with you, but we couldn't.

2287
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

2288
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: TJ.

2289
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 3: Dillashaw has retired, so it was initially like, well he's

2290
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 3: not retired. Then he is retired.

2291
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole hour sucked. Who everybody else was there

2292
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 2: was sources he hasn't retired like Vaughan.

2293
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 3: I didn't get it right, and I think it was confusing,

2294
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 3: and then he initially he owned up to the fact

2295
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 3: he didn't get it right. And then if there's another guy,

2296
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 3: I think it was the guy who works for Henry

2297
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 3: to Hudo. I forget his name, please forgive me.

2298
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he used to work for ESPN the guy

2299
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: it's right.

2300
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 3: And then Ariel got it and then so here it is.

2301
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 3: It comes from Ticky Ghost, who's a former UFC fighter

2302
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 3: now manager. It is for real. So he he is retired, BC,

2303
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. Apparently the story from Ariel is

2304
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 3: that he went to go get his shoulder looked at

2305
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 3: and the doctor was like, well, holy shit, your shoulder

2306
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 3: is completely fucked one of the worst we've ever seen.

2307
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,719
Speaker 2: Oh, it only came out twenty times in right.

2308
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 3: I want to come back to the decision making about

2309
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: taking that fight at UFC two eighty And I understand

2310
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 3: the arguments if you're making a list of pros and

2311
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 3: you're making a list of cons. But in retrospect, that

2312
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 3: was not great decision making, right, and I criticized it

2313
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 3: for a number of different levels. Yes, BC, let's we're

2314
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 3: rewind here. He ignores the fact that his arm is

2315
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 3: falling out of the socket, that he had to get

2316
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 3: on antibiotics because he had staff infection, which weakens the

2317
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 3: joint and ligament and soft tissue. Essentially, pliability falls out

2318
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 3: a million times in camp, even worse on fight week.

2319
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 3: In different scenarios which he detailed with Bretto Komodo. He

2320
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 3: loses the first round with almost no resistance, comes right

2321
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 3: back out again after the second or the between the

2322
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 3: second rounds, So he loses fight basically with almost no

2323
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 3: resistance whatsoever. Then goes to the doctor and the doctor's like,

2324
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 3: you probably are never going to fight again, or if

2325
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 3: you do, it'd be a long time from now. It's

2326
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 3: going to require extensive surgery and rehabilitation. It was not

2327
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 3: smart to fight that fight.

2328
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 2: It was a call, of course, it was, and it's

2329
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,599
Speaker 2: a bad call. In the same sense that we talked about.

2330
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 2: For people that are buying the pay per view and

2331
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 2: you're getting an obvious injured guy they want to see

2332
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 2: this title fight that matters, or the people that are

2333
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 2: betting as well and not knowing of the injury. It's

2334
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 2: all messy and gray. But I think he must have

2335
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: came to a crossroads during his training camp after maybe

2336
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 2: the first time he reaggravated or whatever, where he was

2337
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 2: just sort of like, oh shit, where it was, I'm

2338
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: never getting back here? Luke at his age, he kind

2339
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 2: of held the division up after beating sam Hagen for

2340
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, so he could recover, and they gave him

2341
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: that respect and kind of waited on to a degree

2342
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 2: and gave him a shot. He's not getting that shot again,

2343
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 2: and he knows it. Mixed with the ultra ultra uber

2344
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 2: competitiveness that you have to almost save him from himself.

2345
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 2: No difference than Francis and Gandu who we praised. He

2346
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 2: was able to hold it together. Okay, No no difference

2347
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 2: in that aspect. I'm saying of what of the fuel

2348
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 2: that gets him there? I think Francis showed better judgment

2349
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 2: overall than based on different factors, but No, I don't

2350
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,679
Speaker 2: like the TJ took the fight. But given his uber

2351
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 2: competitive nature, which is leading, that's you know, it's like

2352
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: that's leading his thought process.

2353
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 3: Right right, Well, now he's also but now the bill

2354
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,759
Speaker 3: is due on the other side.

2355
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: He was, Look, he was never going to get that

2356
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 2: shot again. So knowing that, right, he's never gonna get

2357
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 2: that shot again, he knew his he knew when he

2358
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 2: aggravated it that not only with the time it would

2359
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: take to recover, add in how serious of an injury.

2360
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: He already held the division for your year and his age. Dude,

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Speaker 2: he's not getting that shot again. So knowing that if

2362
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 2: that was part of his decision making, are you less

2363
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 2: mad at him? Meaning where he I'm not.

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01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 3: Mad at him at all. I don't have feelings in

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01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 3: that way. No, it doesn't, because what ended up happening

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01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 3: was Okay, I'm never going to get back here again.

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01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 3: So what so what you didn't you did? Nobody in

2368
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 3: his position could have done any better. Like, it's a

2369
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 3: TJ thing. If your shoulder is that banged up, you're

2370
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,759
Speaker 3: not going to win fights like that, not even close.

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01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 3: And now and now the bill is due on the

2372
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 3: other side, which is you have a whole life after fighting.

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01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 3: You need to be able to have some function. We

2374
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 3: talked about it before. The shoulder is the most mobile

2375
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 3: joint in the body, but as a consequence, it's the

2376
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 3: least stable. Dude, I'm telling you as a guy who's

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01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 3: had shoulder surgery.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an athlete.

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01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm not TJ Deilshow on any of these guys, but

2380
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 3: I've had shoulder surgery. It is a motherfucker, man. It

2381
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 3: is not easy to come back from that at all,

2382
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 3: to get the same kind of motion and stability and

2383
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 3: everything else that you need. I had a back and forth,

2384
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 3: a very very friendly one, but I had a back

2385
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 3: and forth with Iman's a hobby who's a UFC fighter.

2386
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 3: He's the brother of Faras, and I was saying, like, dude,

2387
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 3: like you might not be able to raise your hand

2388
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 3: over your head by the time you're fifty with an

2389
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,839
Speaker 3: injury like this. He didn't seem to agree with that. Well,

2390
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 3: I mean, the doctors are apparently putting in to the

2391
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 3: reports telling TJ that he's gonna have to get this

2392
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 3: surgery plus subsequent ones, and even those are no guaranteed. Now,

2393
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 3: there is another story element here which I actually do

2394
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 3: support t DIGIT Millishaw if he's doing it, namely the

2395
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor exception. Folks have suggested, well, he's retiring, and

2396
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 3: he by the way the way and not just spe

2397
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 3: up the recovery, make the recovery better and healthier, to

2398
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 3: be right, make the recovery better, human growth hormone or

2399
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 3: whatever else he could be taking. And by the way,

2400
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 3: Yusada has confirmed TJ is no longer in the testing pool.

2401
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 3: I gotta say this, I thought it's very poor judgment

2402
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: to go ahead with the fighter UFC two eighty. However,

2403
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 3: if he's getting out of the testing pool to get

2404
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,839
Speaker 3: the shoulder surgery, I'm sure he's got a great orthopedic

2405
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 3: surgeon and he's gonna do this with the sort of

2406
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 3: supplemental stuff to get a better recovery process. Fully support that.

2407
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 3: Fully support that. That's long term play with your kids

2408
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 3: later in life kind of considerations. Go do what you

2409
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 3: have to do to get the most out of it.

2410
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 3: How do you feel I'm not saying that is on

2411
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 3: the table. Let's say that it is.

2412
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean, just to be fair from what I was

2413
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 2: saying before, I was largely Devil's advocating it. I do

2414
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 2: agree with you overall that he shouldn't have taken the fight,

2415
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 2: but I was trying to frame it under that mindset

2416
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 2: where we know he's a sick competitor and he's so smart,

2417
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 2: he's really smart, Luke, and he's he's a dog for

2418
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 2: better or worse. But all things here, I do agree

2419
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 2: that drugs win drug war. You have I've become a

2420
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 2: disciple of yours in this regard and knowing I don't

2421
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 2: think he's done Luke because mentally and when he can

2422
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 2: get himself there physically, he still believes he's as good

2423
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 2: as he ever was when he can get himself there physically.

2424
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 2: So no, I think I think he's like Kobe, Like

2425
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 2: he's like that meant that mamba mentality. That's so like

2426
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 2: cliche to even say that, but still like Kobe with

2427
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 2: like that, Dude, no matter what, I'm coming back, he's

2428
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 2: going to be that no matter what. Domina Cruz has

2429
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 2: got that too, you know what I mean, Like, no

2430
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 2: matter what, I'm going to figure out a way to

2431
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 2: get back there. I agree with you. There's a larger

2432
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 2: conversation from the connorness now with TJ, where yeah, dude,

2433
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 2: and by way, did you enjoy the Connor and Rogan

2434
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 2: back and forth?

2435
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 3: Are you're not into that and forth?

2436
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 2: But steroid?

2437
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Connor was mentioned on Rogan's podcast and then

2438
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 3: he took a shot at them on Twitter and then

2439
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 3: deleted it the old Gravante Davis, So.

2440
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 2: Your interview with Dravante is really good by the.

2441
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 3: Way, okay came out. Okay. I just want to point

2442
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 3: out here that like another another piece of this whole story.

2443
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 3: And again, I don't know what TJ is doing. I

2444
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 3: don't know if he has designs on coming back, if

2445
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 3: the rehab goes exceptionally well or whatever. I don't know.

2446
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what the story is there. But even

2447
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 3: with Connor, I have noticed a total shift. Everyone's like,

2448
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 3: now that Connor has basically just forced his way into

2449
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 3: doing what he's done, Everyone's like, yeah, this seems to

2450
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. I'm like, fuck all of

2451
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 3: you people out there who hit me up with emails

2452
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 3: and fucking angry comments for years after USADA came in

2453
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 3: and gave their stupid pitch about how everything that they

2454
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 3: want is the most important. Sure enough, Connor comes out

2455
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 3: and shows you that like every protocol being a function

2456
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 3: of what Yousada's desires are and how they should map it.

2457
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 3: It turns out like that that kind of version of

2458
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 3: things is not what's best for the athletes long term

2459
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 3: or short term, is not what should be the final say.

2460
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 3: It actually should be a little bit more input from

2461
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 3: both directions. All of a sudden, now people seem to

2462
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 3: be warming up to it. Where the fuck were you

2463
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 3: guys seven years ago when we were saying shit like this?

2464
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 3: It was obvious then, it is obvious now.

2465
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 2: Well now also leads legal. Weed's legal, and things have

2466
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 2: changed over all on the drug front, where I think

2467
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 2: that also has changed people's motivations and stuff. Also, look,

2468
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 2: I think at this point everything Connor has done since

2469
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 2: the last loss and hurting himself publicly has, you know,

2470
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 2: except forgetting the big movie role, has kind of I

2471
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 2: think people are starting to like they do. They've already

2472
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 2: done the cycle of emotions a few times. And I

2473
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 2: think a lot of people didn't like him after the

2474
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 2: way he talked to Poorer, especially after that loss, sitting

2475
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 2: there with Joe next to him, but Luke, I think

2476
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 2: he's people feel bad for him now, so now they're

2477
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, part of that motivation is just yeah,

2478
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 2: let that guy juice. I miss him. I miss the

2479
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 2: big the circus coming to town, Luke. We as journalists

2480
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 2: miss the Connor circus.

2481
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 3: We do, we do. I think that.

2482
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 2: Fuel sometimes where people are just at like at this point,

2483
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 2: he may actually need.

2484
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 3: And again, I don't know how many guys will be

2485
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 3: able to do what Connor did, both financially or otherwise,

2486
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 3: but for the ones who can, of course, this is

2487
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 3: a bit of a game changer. If del Shaw ends

2488
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 3: up doing something like this and someone subsequent to him,

2489
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 3: and on and on.

2490
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 2: Did they shoot in Kobe's knees in Germany? I want

2491
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 2: to know it was probably like whatever themselves for sure,

2492
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 2: bit you Tom Brady's drinking it in his coffee.

2493
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Probably all right, we have just a few minutes left.

2494
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 3: We got to get out of here. Two quick notes

2495
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 3: we see, including breaking news from our producer mikey Moremile.

2496
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 3: UFC two eighty six announced for London on March eighth,

2497
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 3: March eighteen. That's gonna be a lot of fun. And

2498
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:32,640
Speaker 3: then one championship is gonna make its US debut. This

2499
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 3: would be Friday, May fifth. Cinco Demajo, as my wife

2500
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 3: would say, at the first Bank Center in Broomfield, Colorado,

2501
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 3: which I've been to for the Joe Lazon versus Kenny

2502
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 3: Florin fight as well as I saw and worked a

2503
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 3: Glory event there as well.

2504
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: James Rish three dude love.

2505
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 3: Finally, I want to point it out. I'm gonna keep

2506
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 3: saying it elevation. They brought it to elevation for the

2507
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 3: folks who don't get used to that. You're gonna, I

2508
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 3: don't know how many heavyweights are gonna have on this card,

2509
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 3: pay attention to the elevation and how it focks. Not

2510
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 3: not DJ he's too good or whatever, but like some

2511
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 3: the other like sea level marish.

2512
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking about? Sea level?

2513
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: Sea level moraish.

2514
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 3: We'll see what we'll do.

2515
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 2: We sever Franklin on his show talk about this at all.

2516
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 3: Right, we got to end on this. Let's get we

2517
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 3: got to end on this very quickly. We'll do We'll

2518
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 3: do fan clubs on Friday.

2519
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry for j Picked and all the other great fans.

2520
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 2: We got to push the artwork.

2521
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 3: We'll get to it. We'll get to it this week.

2522
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 2: We have Grid guess all right.

2523
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 3: Lastly, you have Bellatoor two eighty nine and two eighty

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Luke, I wasn't anyway.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, it.

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Speaker 5: Is all right.

2558
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna skip those fansubs. But just to close, we're

2559
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Speaker 2: here in Connecticut, Luke belatour to eighty nine YEP, which

2560
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 2: goes down Friday night, nine pm Eastern main card start

2561
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 2: on showtime from the Mohegan Sun. We're gonna have some

2562
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:55,719
Speaker 2: some big name fighters coming in here for some bonus interviews.

2563
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 2: People should be on the lookout for them.

2564
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 3: So that's right, we're gonna have you spending the next

2565
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 3: few hours talking to them. So we'll and have a

2566
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 3: lot of content coming your way.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to Josh Thompson big so the Josh Thompson

2568
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 2: thing was great, actually civil dude. He came right in

2569
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 2: and was just like, what's up, dude, how you been

2570
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: And it was like, okay, we're playing this game. And

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: So he's amenable to constructive criticism. I think, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: enjoyed his company. And then you water jizzed with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: And it was there's some weird things happen on today's show.

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Speaker 2: But the Wayne In podcast guys, the Bell too a broadcasters,

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Speaker 2: I got love for them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you can follow us there as you see

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Speaker 3: on social. You can go to showtime dot com. If

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Speaker 3: you don't have it already, Showtime dot com three day

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Speaker 3: free trophy like you can keep it. If not, you

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Speaker 3: can bounce for these sweet jackets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Do I look like like fatle like Homer Simpson?

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Speaker 2: Or am I looking good?

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Speaker 3: You looking like mister plow for sure? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I definitely got those at.

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Speaker 3: The Bomber Jacket Morningcombat dot Store. By the way, you

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Speaker 3: don't believe me, I don't believe BC. Ask Raffie on Stotts.

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Speaker 3: He let every interview he's wearing one of these fun.

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Speaker 2: Brought a hat for him?

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Speaker 3: Oh you did?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, but doesn't fit me.

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Speaker 2: Because I got a big.

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Speaker 3: All right morning coombat at gmail dot com for fan

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Speaker 3: subs and for dead Wrong, which we will get to

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Speaker 3: a little bit later of course this week. All right,

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Speaker 3: that is it for today's show, so for Malka for

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Speaker 3: showtime for the boys at the Weighing In Podcast BC

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Speaker 3: lt MK. Thank you guys so much for watching until next.

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Speaker 2: One more thing until next time Thursday night of this

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Speaker 2: week tomorrow Night World MMA Awards from Las Vegas. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: we cannot be there this year, but we're up for

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Speaker 2: Best MMA Programming. Fingers crossed for the second time.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling very confident this time, of course, fairness, I

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Speaker 3: wasn't feeling confident last time, you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what to feel this time. I'm excited though,

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Speaker 2: And Aaron bron stetters up from a Journalist of the Year,

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Speaker 2: So thank you for all the people who voted. We

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Speaker 2: wish him well. Thank you fans.

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Speaker 3: So there it is all right until next time they

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Speaker 3: all of your gains. Be loyal