1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, everybody. 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Jason McIntyre here on Straight Fire, Wednesday, November four. It's 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: the day after the election. But I've got to be 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: honest with you guys. I've got some big, big news here, 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna start the show with it. I 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: decided to call in audible Rob g and I talked 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: about it, and I decided I was going to record 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: today's podcast before the election results came in. I couldn't 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: do it. I didn't want to stay up until the 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: wee wee hours of the night waiting for a result 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: that we might not even have. So this podcast will 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: be politics free. I'm sure there's, like, you know, a 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: smattering of you out there who are thrilled that I'm 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: not talking about that junk and truthfully, you know, we 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: got a great interview later in the podcast with Andrew Brandt, 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: former front office guy with the Green Day Packers, very sharp, 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: intelligent individual. So we'll talk about the NFL trade deadline, 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: which was largely a dud, but why it was a 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: dud and why Aaron Rodgers was focus the central focus 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: of the trade deadline. We'll get into all that but 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I thought I'd just record an open here because I 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: want to quickly look. Usually we do this on Monday's podcast. Hey, 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: let's take a quick look at the board for the 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: upcoming week. We didn't really dive into that. So in 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: lieu of talking about the election, I thought, I just 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: throw a couple of games at you. And yes, I 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: realized there's a couple of it you out there who 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: are gonna be like, you know what, I want to 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: hear politics. I want to hear reaction. That's fine. There 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: are plenty of other podcasts to go for that. I 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: will recommend the New York Times Daily Podcast. I try 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: to listen to that very often. Um, but when it 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: comes to sports, I'm gonna do some football here, and 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quickly look at two trends and then get 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: to two games. It's not gonna chew up that much time. 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: But give you my I an idea about my thought 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: process heading into week nine. I should add two quick notes. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Number One, UM, the one dollar Venmo for the five 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: star comments. I've paid out two of those. The other 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: guy I think I heard from on Twitter. But my 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: mentions can become a wreck over the weekend, and I 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: couldn't find your comments, So can you please uh retweet 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: me or DM me on Instagram and I'll send you that. 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Benjamin and number two. I had a three and two 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: weekend in the Circa one point four million dollar gambling 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: contest and I'm actually up to tied for top one. 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: Get paid out and listen, there's a lot of luck 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: involved in this. Um, I had some unfortunate luck earlier 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: in the season. You know, you miss an extra point here, 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: a flukey touchdown there, but it goes both ways. So 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bemoan what's happened the first half of 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: the season. You just got to look forward. And UM, 53 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: that's where I want to start Week nine in the 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: NFL with. And the first game I'm looking at, UM 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: that's super interesting to me is the Vaguas Raiders going 56 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: to the Chargers. And on the look ahead, this was 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Chargers favored by three, and then it came down to 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: two and a half, and by late Tuesday night it 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: was Chargers favor by one and a half. I've I've 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: said this several times. I'm not a big trend gambler, 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: but these two have led me to looking closer at 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: the Raiders and again, you never want to bet based 63 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: on a trend. Okay, if you listen to the Preston 64 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: Johnson pod last week, he will tell you I've walked 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: by a roulette table where there's been eighteen straight reds, 66 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: and uh, it doesn't mean anything. It's not predictive of 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. It means absolutely nothing. So 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: these two trends I will say have me intrigued so 69 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: far this season. Divisional underdogs. Divisional underdogs obviously lead to familiarity. Um, 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: there's obviously a big non crowd factor here. Divisional underdogs 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: twenty five and fourteen against the spread this season. That's 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: that's significant. More importantly, eleven and three against the spread 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: in the last two weeks, And you're thinking, oh, what 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: do you think that's all about? What? I don't know. Maybe, um, 75 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: the underdogs are undervalued and the favorites are inflated, or 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: some of these are going through the second time in 77 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: the order and they have more familiarity, or teams are 78 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: just slowly ramping up and getting better as the season 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: goes on. So there's six divisional underdogs this week. Detroit 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: is a four point dog against Minnesota on the road, 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: Jacksonville at home, a seven point dog against Houston, the 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: Giants three point road underdogs at Washington, Vegas one and 83 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: a half at the l A Chargers New Orleans. That's 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: a big game. We'll talk definitely about that later in 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: the week. Plus five at Tampa and the Jets plus 86 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: seven at home against New England. Of those six divisional dogs, 87 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: one thing really does jump out again from this season. 88 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: It's a trend. You're not betting blindly on trends. Road 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: underdogs of three points or less getting three, getting to 90 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: one whatever. Seventeen and six against the spread this season, 91 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: now that is significant. That's again there's only one of 92 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: those that fit the divisional underdogs and road underdogs criteria, 93 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: and that's Vegas getting one and a half. So then 94 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: you start to look at the breakdown of these teams, 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: and because the facilities were closed Tuesday for the election, 96 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: we don't know what's up with injuries. That's obviously always 97 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: a significant factor, especially Trent Brown, your left tackle kind 98 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: of needium going up against Bosa. That's kind of a 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: big deal. But to me, everything I look at at 100 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: this Raiders Chargers game and Rob Gill jump in later 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: in the week when we dive deeper, is that I 102 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: don't see why this is in the last possession game, Like, 103 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: whoever gets the ball last, her or Car is probably 104 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to score and win and cover. 105 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: And we've seen the Chargers blow four seventeen point leads. 106 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: They held on to win one of those. But these 107 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: are two quarterbacks who are very capable of coming in 108 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: the back door. And I look at the Vegas past defense, 109 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: twenty seven in the league in defensive efficiency, so Herbert's 110 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: gonna eat right. But look at the Chargers in the 111 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: second half. They are the UH. They are allowing the 112 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: UH their twenty nine in the NFL and second half 113 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: points allowed. That means teams are adjusting against Anthony Lynn, 114 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: who's not a good coach, and they're ripping him to shreds. 115 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: They're just torching that defense, which by the way, just 116 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: lost Desmond King. There's lot corner in the trade um 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: and and I just look at that. I'm like, huh, 118 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: Car with the short passing game and second half Chargers collapse, 119 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: fields eminent, no fans in the stadium. I give Grooden 120 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: the edge over Anthony Lynn. I like Herbert a lot, 121 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: but I think cars competitive. Um, I don't see why 122 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: the Raiders don't get a deep look here getting one 123 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: and a half. Um. Again, I don't know if I've 124 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: bet on the Raiders yet this season, so I'm gonna 125 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: have to really look closer. The counter, of course, is, well, 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, Jason, the Chargers were dominating the Denver Broncos 127 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: last week. They were up huge in that game. And 128 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: if the Broncos don't come back with some you know, 129 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: last minute heroics, you know what's the line for this? 130 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 1: Is this three and a half? Maybe? And somebody pointed 131 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: out that cent of the yards that Denver got last 132 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: week was when they were trailing by a touchdown or 133 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: more so it was you could argue a lot of 134 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: it was garbage. Tie. I need to look closer at 135 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: the Raiders. It's middle of the week, so you never 136 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: want to pull the trigger. But that's a game I'm 137 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: looking closely at. And um, the other game that I 138 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: can't keep my eyes off of right now is the 139 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: Bears getting what was six then it's five and a half. 140 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: It looks like it's in towards five. Um. I just 141 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: maybe this is me overreacting to Tennessee last week because 142 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: I was on them and they lost, and I really 143 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: pissed about that. And I sometimes have a weakness where 144 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: I get emotional. You guys know, I talk about this 145 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: a lot. Don't get emotional about the games. And I'm 146 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: just so angry at Tennessee. I want to bet against them. 147 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: And you look at their resume there one in five 148 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: is favorites against the spread, you know. And the one cover, 149 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: of course was against me when I was on Houston, 150 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: and that they had that overtime. I mean, the lucky 151 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: finish at the end of regulation then the overtime cover. Um. 152 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: But this is a Tennessee defense that's terrible, terrible. They're 153 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: dead last in getting off the field on third down. There, 154 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: thirty in the league in red zone defense. And you 155 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: look at Nick Foles and he's the happiest guy on 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: the planet right now. Nick Foles. Four of his last 157 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: five games he has faced top ten defenses. I mean, 158 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: he's he's faced as tough as it gets out there. Uh, 159 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: in four of the last five games. I don't people 160 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: want to kill Nick Foles, that's fine, but he faced 161 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: The Colts lost Bucks one by one, Rams lost, did 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: not look good, and Saints lost. But covered. Do you 163 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: know what kind of breath of fresh air it's gonna 164 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: be when he sees this Titans defense. That's and they 165 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: have no pass for us to speak of. And the 166 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: secondary they just released on Tuesday. There's one of their 167 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: starting cornerbacks, Jonathan Joseph, who's thirty six years old. He's terrible. 168 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they're releasing a starter. They also dumped Fick Beasley. Guy, 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: they shelled out nine and a half million dollars for 170 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: I think like six months ago, and now they're they're 171 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: dumping him. So this Tennessee defense is is just a 172 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: hot mess right now. And I think, I know, I know, 173 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: you guys hate Nick Foles and he doesn't deliver and 174 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: he looks bad and Naggi stinks, But I don't see 175 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: why Nick Foles is not going to be a live 176 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: underdog here to cover the spread. Remember he went to 177 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Carolina and I told you guys, man, I like the 178 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Bears in this spot. No pressure from Carolina unfolds. He'll 179 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: have a clean pocket. They should be able to run 180 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: the football, and the defense should own the trenches. And 181 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 1: what happened the Bears want and covered. And now remember 182 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee down there left tackle. Uh the kid Um Taylor 183 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Lawan out for the season. Hello Colo Max playing very 184 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: well coming off the edge. I think there's some advantage 185 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: for the Bears here in the trenches. I'm looking this 186 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: is Ted, this is Chicago, or pass for me? Um. 187 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Hopefully in the contest you get a bigger number. But 188 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: I did already bet Chicago at five and a half, 189 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping in the contest it's five. I know five, 190 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of a dead number, but I just I mean, 191 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: this is a teaser for me to you tease it 192 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: up through the seven and the ten, you get Chicago 193 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: getting like eleven and a half eleven points Tennessee. Just 194 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: a reminder, twenty four in pressure rate, twenty seven in 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: a hurry percentage. Nick Foles is gonna just have tons 196 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: of time in that pocket. Alan Robinson, the kid Mooney 197 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: who I by the way, I picked him up in Fantasy. Um, 198 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: I have a huge week in Fantasy ahead. But you 199 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: don't care at any rate. Those are the two teams 200 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: to games. I'm looking at Chicago, Tennessee. I have already 201 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: bet Chicago what I want to take him in the contest. 202 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: And Vegas at the Chargers Chargers. They scare me because 203 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: I like Herbert Um and I don't know that I 204 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: trust the Raiders, But you gotta put that aside. Look 205 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: at the numbers, and those are the two games I'm 206 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: looking at. All right, it's time to get to our 207 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: interview with Andrew Brandt, the former front office guy from 208 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. Jason likes to think he knows 209 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports 210 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: fans want, but for everything he doesn't, he knows a 211 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: guy who does. Let's just say I know a guy 212 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: who knows a guy who knows another guy. All right, 213 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: let's welcome to Andrew Brandt, a former NFL big wigs 214 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time with the Packers in the 215 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: front office. Andrew, how are you man? Good? Jason, always 216 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: going to be with you. Yeah, yeah, thanks a lot 217 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: for taking the time. Now we're doing this after the 218 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: trade deadline, and you know, we had this anticipation, Andrew, 219 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: that there will be so much movement around the league, 220 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: with a lot of teams really bad like my Jets, 221 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of teams really needy like the Green 222 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Bay Packers, and and then of course, almost next to 223 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: nothing happened. First of all, let's start with the Packers. 224 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: You spent nine years in the organization, Um, are you 225 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: surprised that they didn't do anything? Of note, I'm not. 226 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: And you know you see my helmet back there. I 227 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: I you know, I lived in that. And it's a 228 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: draft and developed culture, as everyone knows. I tell everyone 229 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: every year, and it doesn't change. And when they see 230 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: them not going for the big name or not doing 231 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: the big name thing, even at receiver, it always sort 232 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: of brings up questions about, you know, are they doing 233 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: enough for Aeron? In my day, were they doing enough 234 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: for Brett? And you know, listen, I even heard it 235 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth from Brett would come to my 236 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: office like, you know, Randy Moss would be on the 237 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: on the block or Terrell Owens or some big name 238 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: back then. And I'm just like and in so many words, 239 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: I'd say to Bread and I'd say to everyone, like, 240 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: what part of the Green Bay Packer philosophy do not understand? 241 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: Which is no quick fixes, no jumping into free agency, 242 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: which which by people don't realize this by necessity, it 243 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: pushes down your developed players. If you're gonna get and none. 244 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: We'll bring it to Will Fuller, if you get Will Fuller, 245 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: Alan Lazard steps down a notch, Marcus van Scandling steps 246 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: down a notch. Now you may say who cares right, 247 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: But but from a Packer's point of view, they've invested time, 248 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: in some cases draft picks, in some cases coaching development. 249 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: They want their young players to be pulled up like that. 250 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: It's always a draft and developed team. Now, I know 251 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: that frustrates people that are more into the here and now. 252 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: It's just never been the Packers philosophy. So let me 253 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: just talk about the Fuller trade because obviously I'm not 254 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: in it anything or I don't. This is all speculation, 255 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: But having sit in those chairs, both on the agent 256 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: side and of course on the team side, I know 257 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: exactly what was going on. Fuller is a free agent, 258 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: so Fuller has eight games left on his contract. Fuller 259 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: is hitting the market as we as as of now 260 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: in March, Fuller is going to demand a big contract. 261 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: So to me, that's a two part negotiation. So the 262 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: GMS are negotiating trade compensation whatever fourth round, third round, 263 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: second round pick for Will Fuller. But to me, that's 264 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: the easier part of it. Will Fuller is, how do 265 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: you make a contract for that guy, because you have 266 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: top receivers are going to be out there in the 267 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: in the spring, like Allen Robinson, like others that are 268 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: gonna make eighteen nineteen one million dollars a year, and 269 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the packer is gonna pay that for Will Fuller and 270 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: not right now, that's for sure. And I if I'm 271 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: Will Fuller's agent, I'm like, you want to do a 272 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: deal right now? Okay, here's the market, and the Packers 273 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: are like, no, you know, so I can see that 274 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: being the hard part of the deal. They'll figure out 275 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: a third or maybe give a third, get back a 276 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: fifth or whatever. I thought the hard part of that 277 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: deal was the contract, because if I'm in the Packers chair, 278 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: maybe I'll give up a seventh or six for eight games, 279 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: but not a high pitch well, and that's that's I 280 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: think that's the big question, because I understand, you know, 281 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: obviously Fuller would want a new deal, but you're you're 282 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: the Packers. You're just renting him as insurance for injury. 283 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: We've seen Davante Adams hurt this year, Lazard currently hurt. 284 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know this is a team that was 285 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: thirteen and three last year. Close. You know, they lost 286 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship, pretty bad loss, and they're back 287 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: again this year. They're gonna be in the mix. And 288 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, Andrew, you look at what their draft class 289 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: has given them. Nine seven rushing yards from from from 290 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: the kid Dillan who now has COVID. And if Aaron 291 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Rodgers looks around the league, he's saying, Wow, Hammler and Judy, 292 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: they're catching touchdowns in Den and the kid justin Jefferson 293 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: in Minnesota is a beast. He's got over five hundred yards. 294 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: We touchdowns Claypool in Pittsburgh seven touchdown. So you can 295 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: understand both sides, right why Aaron Rodgers is beyond ticked off? 296 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I guess from your perspective, you understand 297 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: why the Packers aren't doing it. But can't you come 298 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: to a happy medium. Can't both sides sit there and 299 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: be like, guys, this is our shot. Why don't we 300 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: just give up a fourth and a fifth on a 301 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: rental for Will Fuller? Could that? Or get you know, listen, 302 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: my my Twitter feed is full of it. Get it, 303 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: because somehow I still represent the Twitter. I get it, 304 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: and I understand exactly what you're saying Jason, and you 305 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: know Aaron has said even with the drafting of Jordan's Love, 306 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: has said all the right things. I mean, people get 307 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: for us here with Aaron because he's sometimes too candid, 308 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: but he said the right things. You know, he knows 309 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: that he's not getting the resources that other quarterbacks are, 310 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: but hey, it's been working. And the question, I guess 311 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: he always is the downside you bring. And I think 312 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: the fuller thing is probably unique. Though. The question I 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: would ask is are there other receivers even on the Texans? 314 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: Could they have gotten randall combat? Could they have gotten stills? 315 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: Could they gotten cooks? And now you're not any dealing 316 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: with that secondary negotiation of a contract, or there are 317 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: other receivers out there. Uh you know what, some receivers 318 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: we haven't heard of that maybe some teams gave up 319 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: on in mid round picks. So these are the questions 320 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: you would ask the packers. I think the fuller negotiation 321 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: broke down over the contract. I get it because something 322 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: no one's talking about enough, which I'm gonna be talking 323 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: about at infinitem come January, February and March, which is 324 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: we've got a cap diminution next year that's going to 325 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: be significant, maybe as low as one seventy were now 326 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: a two hundred, that would be twenty five lower. You 327 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: think about teams that already are over to fifty in 328 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: their committed contracts right now. But again, it's football, it's 329 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: not basketball, so you can get rid of these guys. 330 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: But yes, that's a factor. Why this trading deadline? Jason, 331 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: you and I before we came on all the activity 332 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: a year ago. Nothing this year. I mean, you know, 333 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: a couple of little ones with in ghak Away, but 334 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: nothing really. So do you before I want to get 335 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: back to the Packers philosophy, but do you first of 336 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: all think that that you know, lack of activity this 337 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: year at the deadline? Again, last year it was Leonard Williams, 338 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: it was Kenyan Drake, Jalen, Ramsey, Peters, Emmanuel Sanders. A 339 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: lot of those guys helped their teams. But do you 340 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of that lack of movement this year 341 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: has to do with the uncertainty of next year's cap? 342 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I think there are a couple 343 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: of reasons. One is the fuller situation where you have 344 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: a contract, which is related to what we're talking about. 345 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: But generally COVID in general, because if you're looking at 346 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: acquiring a player, you're giving up a draft pick. These 347 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: are not a player for player trades, we're not seeing that. 348 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: And draft picks have so much more value right now 349 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: because if you go into next year with a hundred 350 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: seventy five million dollar cap, your your draft class becomes 351 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: more important than ever. They're cheap, they're fixed, reasonable contracts. 352 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: You fill up your team with these guys, not only 353 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: next year's group, but the last year's group, that two 354 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: years ago group, and maybe that's sixty of your team 355 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: are on rookie contracts and you have the other on 356 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: the veteran big contracts. So it's more important than ever, 357 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: which means I'm not giving up a FOURD. I'm not 358 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: giving up even a fifth maybe so for a player 359 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: that's kind of a rental or a player that's not 360 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: gonna be around. So that's part of it. The other part, 361 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: which I say every year, although it didn't apply last year, 362 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: is football is so schematic. It's not basketball. It's not baseball. 363 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: Baseball has got a hitter and a catcher and a picture. 364 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: They do whatever they do, they go this team, they 365 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: do it. That team they do it. Basketball has got 366 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: three point shooters. They do it. Here, they do it. 367 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: They're football three four defense for three defense covered two 368 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: vertical offense, West coast motion. You gotta fit a man. 369 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: I just think that's why free agency doesn't work a 370 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: lot in football, and of course trades. Uh, let's so 371 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: let's go back to the Packers philosophy, right, And you know, 372 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that you were part 373 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: of crafting, or you know it was there before you 374 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: got there. But you know, there's two ways to look 375 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: at this from an outsider's perspective. So the Packers won 376 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: in nineties six and they want in two thousand ten 377 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: super bowls. Right, Um, you could say, well, okay, two 378 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: super bowls in the last twenty five years. Bill Belichick 379 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: is kind of the opposite. He is always like ship 380 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: shifting the Patriots. We're gonna win with defense. Now, we're 381 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: gonna win with running backs. We're gonna go out and 382 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: get Moss. We're gonna win with receivers. No, we're gonna 383 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: do tight ends with Gronk and Hernandez. And they're constantly 384 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: evolving as a team and changing with the times and 385 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: to fit the needs. Can you, you know, I guess 386 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: talk a little about the Packers philosophy versus UM, the 387 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: Patriots and maybe others if they are out there that 388 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: you are aware of. Yeah, that's interesting because I joined 389 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: when Ron wolfers GM. Ron is kind of a mentor, 390 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: and Ron's not what people think of in terms of 391 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: Packers because it was a little more aggressive. Obviously, he 392 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: signed the biggest free agent ever, who was the first 393 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: free agent ever named Reggie White Um. And he was 394 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: very active, and I know working for him, he wanted 395 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: me to chase down a lot of players, you know, 396 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: and free agency and trades. We always put together proposals 397 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: to allow more trades, like you could trade We put 398 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: together proposed you could trade capra um, you could trade cash, 399 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: which they don't allow in football um. And then of 400 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: course Ted Thompson came in much more conservative. First first 401 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: thing he told me was we're not gonna be pretty. 402 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: We're not gonna be active in free agency. Andrew, you know, 403 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: like your job is going to be a Maytag repairman 404 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna He didn't say it that way, 405 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: but I knew that there was not gonna be a 406 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: lot of heavy lifting on veteran contracts outside the team. 407 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: So it's kind of draft and developed. Sign your own, 408 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: identify core player early in their careers, keep them in. 409 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: And in my day that was Donald Driver and Mark 410 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: Tauscher and Greg Jennings and m On Green, you know, 411 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: and all these players, Mike Mackenzie, Charles Woodson. We did 412 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: chase in free agency. Um, but every now and then, yeah, 413 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: you do chase a car too, and recently with the Smiths. 414 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's draft and develop and and homegrown. Homegrown 415 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: is People would say, I know you are to a fault, 416 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: but that is the philosophy. I'm into the homegrown. I 417 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: definitely like that. It's you know, saves you money, as 418 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, but on some level it puts 419 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: so much pressure on the scouts and the g ms 420 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: to consistently deliver over and over and as we've seen 421 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: around the league. I mean you know this, Andrew, like, 422 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: drafting in the NFL is such an inexact science. I mean, 423 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: you go, you remember how everybody was like, oh, we 424 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: gotta tank for Ta, we gotta take for ta. Joel 425 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: comes out of nowhere, and nobody would say that to 426 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: at this point after one game, looks anywhere near Borrow 427 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: or Justin Herbert. And the NFL draft is so I 428 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: don't know if it would you call it a crap shoot, 429 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: well in exact science, but listen, I think the ultimate 430 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: of the Packers are the two quarterbacks that draft in 431 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: the first round teen years ago. It was Aaron and 432 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: the whole world was booing us and saying, how how 433 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: could you do that? You're ignoring all these needs, right, 434 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: You're ignoring all the needs. You're taking a quarterback. Coaches 435 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: were furious, you know, they're drag Andrew. Could we do this? 436 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: You know? And and Ted and our management side we 437 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: just said three words, or trust the board, and the 438 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: board says Aaron Rodgers is the best player and why 439 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: pick anyone else? You know? And I think that happened 440 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: again this year. And they are the most spoiled fans 441 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: in the history of sports because they have had They 442 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: have had thirty years of franchise quarterbacks, right, So, and 443 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: the idea with Love is they're going to get forty 444 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: five years of franchise. About that, I mean, listen, of course, 445 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: of course, my Jets haven't had anybody Andrew years, nobody. 446 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too mostest thing is is 447 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: Andrew luck who had believe because of injuries, so with 448 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: the Colts. But yeah, yeah, I can understand Packers frustrations. 449 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: But do they realize what teams go through without that 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: position secured. I mean Miami Dolphins after Dan Marino, you 451 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: can count. I think it was something insane. Uh, they 452 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: went through like fifteen guys in like ten years, the Bears, 453 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: all these teams. Yeah, it's brutal. So the Packers have 454 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: come through, all right. I want to move on to 455 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: um just two other teams real quick before we get 456 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: to one of the last topic. Are you surprised at 457 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, who looked to be headed back to 458 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: the playoffs lost Odell Beckham. Are you surprised they did 459 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: nothing in this offer at this trade deadline to bolster 460 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: the receiving corps. I mean, you know, they're trotting out 461 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: the Kid Higgins and Donovan People's jones, and I know 462 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be a run game when Nick Chubb 463 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: comes back. But it does seem like a bit of 464 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: roll of the dice, especially with the Steelers looking awesome. Uh. 465 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: The Ravens obviously are very good, and the Bengals are 466 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: not a pushover. You know, a little surprised there, you know, 467 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: and again we're talking about the same thing. The Higgins 468 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and Donovan Peoples is obviously a draft pick. Do you 469 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: want to I I use this word, I don't mean 470 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: to be pejorative with it, but do you want to 471 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: push them down? If you bring in a veteran, you 472 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: kind of push them down. And they do have Landry 473 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: and they have going to bring on these young guys. 474 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that is a team you just 475 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that they seem to be a run first team 476 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: and is that going to be sustainable as they play 477 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: those two teams in their division? That's the season is 478 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: going to come down to those games. And you know 479 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: that is a team that has been active. I mean 480 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: acquiring Beckham that's a huge move. I mean that that 481 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: is a franchise defining move. And give up a one. 482 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: So you know, in rebug hits, you know, I think 483 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: the the issue there on a bigger scale is is 484 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: Baker the guy? It's the same issue we talked about 485 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: about every team do they have the guy? And I 486 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: think everyone last year or early in his career right 487 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: away thought, yeah, look at the moxie, look at all 488 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: that and then the question becomes, you know, still jury's out. 489 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: Jury's out on a lot of these guys. As you know, Donald, 490 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: every jury's jury's out on so many of them. Let's 491 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: go to one more jury out guy. And uh I 492 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: speculated earlier this week on the podcast. You know, Jimmy 493 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: Garoppolo in San Francisco, he's gotten all his guaranteed money. Um. 494 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: Out of the last three years, it was three games 495 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: out for the season, go to the super Bowl eight 496 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: minutes within winning, uh lose? And now this year, you know, 497 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: the litany of leg injuries and looks like a season 498 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: maybe over. He could come back for like week fifteen, 499 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: but if they're out of the mix, I doubt it. Andrew, 500 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, Um. Do you think the Niners move 501 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: on from him and make a play for Sam Donald? 502 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: Maybe Kyle Shanahan wants to reunite with Matt Ryan. If 503 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: as you speculated, the Caps comes down significantly, could some 504 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: of these teams that are awful with a stafford with 505 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: a Ryan look to hey, let's just move on in 506 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Tank for the next year. I know I'm throwing around Tank, 507 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: and nobody's really throws it around in the front office, 508 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: But you know from the ownership. On the ownership level, 509 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: they care about paying all out a lot of money 510 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: and not going to the playoffs. One thing about San 511 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Francisco that I've admired over the years is cap management. Um. 512 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: You know, they have a guy Parague who's done a 513 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: great job because I always believe in pay as you 514 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: go instead of instead of it's complicated, but always pro 515 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: rading and bonusing out players who build up all this 516 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: dead money. It's caught up with Dallas Tony Romo back 517 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: in the day, and it caught up with so many teams. 518 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: But they structured Garoppolo's contract with like a forty million 519 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: dollar cap hit year one, and that's the way to 520 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: do it if you have the room, obviously, So my 521 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: point is they could get out of that contract with 522 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: minimal forget about cash, minimal, cap hit, minimal. So that's 523 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: kudos to them for doing that. If you know, you 524 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: always want to protect the downside. If he's not the 525 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: player you hope he's going to be, and injury is 526 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: a big part of it. Who knows, But if they 527 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: want to move on, You've identified Kyle Shanahan. This is 528 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: a guy that knows a lot of quarterbacks around the 529 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: league a lot. You talk about Ry, I mean Kirk Cousins, 530 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: So you know, as Kirk Cousins in play there? Uh? 531 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: And would he take less to go there? All these 532 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: kind of things that ratt Ryan, of course, but these 533 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: are all conversations that have to happen. Um. You know, 534 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: if those two teams, the Falcons in Minnesota really turn 535 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: over to really building teams that don't need these forty 536 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: million dollar quarterbacks, I could see those guys in play interesting. 537 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: And I don't want to sound like some hot take 538 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: guy with thet is moving on, but the reality is 539 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: healthy that team is really loaded. Uh, you know, just 540 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: talent all over the roster, maybe you know, a top 541 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: three most talented roster when everybody's healthy. But the questions 542 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: will be about Garoppolo, who listen. I think he's a 543 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: good quarterback up, but I wouldn't consider him like a 544 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: top ten guy, would you? No? I wouldn't. You know, 545 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to evaluate that team because I think Shanahan, 546 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: like everyone, I think he's a masterful coach. He uses 547 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: motions so well. When that that Packers game in the championship, 548 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: I think Garoppolo through the ball like eight times. I 549 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: mean to have a game like that, and it'll be 550 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: interesting that we talked about those two teams Thursday night 551 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: this week without all their weapons. You know, it's going 552 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: to see what happens there because it could be a 553 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: really kind of a death blow for the forty niners 554 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: this early, you know, with that way that division is playing, 555 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: so um a lot to play out with that team. 556 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: But Jason, every year there's that team, right, and that 557 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: team that has not only injuries, but just all the 558 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: positions are wiped out, like whole positions, like who's playing 559 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: running back for him? I mean, it's just wiped out. 560 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: And the way the Cowboys quarterbacks are wiped out. It's 561 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: just an amazing thing that's happening. Alright. The final question, Andrew, Um, 562 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to sound to doom and gloom, 563 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: but the COVID situation is spiraling out of control as 564 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: we record this on Tuesday, election Day obviously, Um, the 565 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, they lost Marlon Humphrey to COVID and you 566 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: look at his contact tracing guys who can't come to practice. Uh, 567 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: it's like five defensive starters. I mean, it's getting ugly now. 568 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: That's a good team, Andrew, I'm curious, what do the teams. 569 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw the New York Giants on their 570 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: bye week partying, uh with Daniel Jones and guys hanging out. 571 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Once these teams are like two and eight, three and 572 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: ten and then no other seasons over, they're probably not 573 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: going to take the precautions they need. I'm real curious. 574 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: Can you see a scenario where the NFL just says, listen, 575 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: we've we've lost control of COVID, it's the winter months, 576 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna shorten the regular season early, and we're gonna 577 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: go to the playoffs. Can you see something strange like 578 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: that could happening? You know? And look at the NBA 579 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: when they had the bubble, they told how many teams 580 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: eight teams just don't bother, you know, just just don't bother. 581 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: The Golden States of the world, just don't bother. And 582 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: I guess that could happen, you know, I guess I 583 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: could see a game between Jacksonville and the Jets in 584 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: weeks seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, Like, yeah, what do we don't 585 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: need that? Because there's no fans right there. It's not 586 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: like you're getting any money at the gate. Well, I 587 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: guess Jackson was taking fans. I mean some yeah, some 588 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: have fans, But you're right, it's got to depend on COVID. 589 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: If everyone's responsible. Yeah, they'll playoff this season. That's the goal. 590 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: And I think we're at the point of this year 591 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: where I look at every Tuesday morning, I'm like, yeah, 592 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: they got it. You know, look what they did this 593 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: week because I said it all off season and people 594 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: are saying, you don't like football, and I love football, 595 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: but are we really doing this? You know, are we 596 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: playing through a pandemic where the definition of the sport 597 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: is the opposite of social distancing and uh, and we're 598 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: doing it. And yes, you talk with these spikes and 599 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: every year, every week it's a different team. It's Baltimore 600 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: this week. Um, but kudos, I think kudos really to 601 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: the NFL and NFL p A too. Keep this going. 602 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: It's week to week. So let's talk in a month 603 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: and see if we can feel good about finishing the season. 604 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember the Cardinals in baseball they played a 605 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: few games less than everybody. And in college football, Wisconsin 606 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: just canceled another game, Like I don't know what's gonna 607 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: happened there. We got twenty four guys on the team 608 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: with Colvid, we can't play, so it's just canceling games. Listen. 609 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: It stinks obviously, but you know, you gotta try to 610 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: make lemonade out of lemons. And here we are in right, So, 611 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean I can see something happening in the NFL 612 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: and games just get canceled. Yeah, and then we the 613 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: opposite of that, Jason, we're hearing about a six team 614 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: game tournament where they actually have more playoff teams in 615 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: order to sort of fit everything in. If we're gonna 616 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: have cancelations, we're gonna have, you know, whatever we're gonna have, 617 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: and if the NFL is good about contingent, do you 618 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: think do you think the sixteen team tournament came about? 619 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Because in the league office, they're like, listen, guys, once 620 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: it hits Thanksgiving and beyond, some of these teams are 621 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: going to check out. Do we consider a sixteen team tournament? 622 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: And just like you said with the n B, A 623 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: hey you guys at stink, we'll see you later. Yeah, yeah, 624 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't read enough into it. Is that 625 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: something that would start actually before the playoffs were scheduled 626 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: to start like in December. I don't know yet. That's 627 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: a good point, you know, I don't know that, but 628 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: that you know, I think they're they're thinking that. Okay, 629 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: these teams have had their boys, like Tennessee, you know 630 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: that what happened is next because we can't rejigger the 631 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: schedule is not like baseball in the Marlins and the Cardinals. 632 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: We can't rejigger things. So you're right now. If the 633 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Jets are Jaguars are looking at fifteen games, no problem, right, Yeah, 634 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: just make sure the Jets get the number one pick. 635 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: If the Steelers are the Ravens are looking at a 636 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: fifteen games, that's a problem. Could be in a yeah, 637 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: all right, Well, Andrew Bryant, thank you for taking the time, 638 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: you guys to follow him on social media. There's nobody 639 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: better on the business of sports. I'm sure I'll talk 640 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: to you soon, all right, Chase, Thanks always a pleasure.