Speaker 1: Hey, folks, Kamala Harris makes history. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: she never even mentioned it in her acceptance speech. Also,
Speaker 1: who told you Beyonce was going to perform at the DNC.
Speaker 1: Turns out the rumors, the buzz, the anticipation were all wrong.
Speaker 1: And what the hell is a low te soy boy?
Speaker 1: And why it matters in this election? And with that,
Speaker 1: everybody welcomes to Amy and TJ Robes. Kamala Harris nailed
Speaker 1: it in her speech. And the reason I know that
Speaker 1: is because Fox News told me she nailed it. We
Speaker 1: do this now. We don't just watch one network or
Speaker 1: one cable network. When you flicked around last night and
Speaker 1: got immediate reaction, you could tell from the Fox News
Speaker 1: folks that she got it right.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting, and we've talked about this, but we
Speaker 2: encourage everyone, especially in these next seventy plus days, to
Speaker 2: check out all the channels because you will see two
Speaker 2: very different versions of the same thing based on who
Speaker 2: you're watching. But to your point, yes, you know that
Speaker 2: there is some concern potentially among Republicans for what we
Speaker 2: saw last night when you see Fox News not going
Speaker 2: straight in for the kill, and that does happen almost
Speaker 2: every other time.
Speaker 1: Every single time, you'll turn on one network and they
Speaker 1: say this is the greatest speech we've ever seen in
Speaker 1: political history, and the other one is say Foxes will
Speaker 1: say this is the worst speech I think has ever
Speaker 1: been delivered modern in the modern area. That wasn't last night.
Speaker 1: Immediate reaction from all of them was not necessarily I
Speaker 1: won't even say not just immediately critical, but it was
Speaker 1: complementary in a way, and saying she did the job
Speaker 1: and understood the assignment in that speech, and so to
Speaker 1: hear that was my first indication of just how well
Speaker 1: she had done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, she's not known for giving riveting, powerful speeches,
Speaker 2: and yet last night she did exactly what she needed
Speaker 2: to do with just a few weeks prep time, because
Speaker 2: remember she just got the novel, or she just was
Speaker 2: handed this potential position a matter of weeks ago, so
Speaker 2: everything had to flip on its head from the lineup
Speaker 2: to what we were going to see over.
Speaker 3: The last four days.
Speaker 2: So it was you have to, at least, regardless of
Speaker 2: where you stand politically, give her and the people around
Speaker 2: her credit for pulling that off so quickly.
Speaker 1: Month and a day, a month and a day before
Speaker 1: she got on stage. Joe Biden was still supposed to
Speaker 1: be the nominee. He dropped out a month and a
Speaker 1: day before she got on stage. That's just remarkable. So her,
Speaker 1: there's not really an assessment or you have plenty of
Speaker 1: folks out there who'll tell you and give you an
Speaker 1: assessment of the speech and break it down politically. I
Speaker 1: was though, Roades, we couldn't miss it because who knows
Speaker 1: when we might see this again in our lives, because
Speaker 1: we've never seen it before, the country hasn't seen it before.
Speaker 1: A black woman is a major party nominee for president
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even mentioned last night in our speech.
Speaker 3: Isn't it remarkable?
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw the powerful the visual of the
Speaker 2: women out in the audience who were all dressed in white,
Speaker 2: notably honoring women's suffrage over one hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: So that was a pretty cool thing.
Speaker 2: And I saw women openly weeping listening to Kamala speaking
Speaker 2: for most likely what you just mentioned. Yet she never
Speaker 2: said it, she never acknowledged it. She's just the second
Speaker 2: woman to be given this opportunity within the Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: and she would of course become the first woman and notably, yes,
Speaker 2: first black woman, first woman of East Asian descent to
Speaker 2: take on that position, and yet she didn't point that out,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that was a very deliberate thing. She
Speaker 2: wanted to be powerful, and not that women can't be powerful,
Speaker 2: but she wanted to be relatable and powerful, and I
Speaker 2: think if those were her two goals, she absolutely nailed it.
Speaker 1: You said, just because she's a woman doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be powerful, But I think that does play in it, right,
Speaker 1: And so much talk about feminine and masculine during the
Speaker 1: DNC in particular R and C as well. We're going
Speaker 1: to get into that in a second.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: It's okay to say that out loud, that there sometimes
Speaker 1: is an extra burden on women, whether that's in the
Speaker 1: in the office on the Upper West Side here in
Speaker 1: New York or president presidential politics, there's some you have
Speaker 1: to make sure you exude some level of strength and
Speaker 1: power and command.
Speaker 2: It is a tough needle to thread for a woman
Speaker 2: in her position or who is seeking a powerful position.
Speaker 2: Look what happened to Hillary. She wasn't warm enough, she
Speaker 2: wasn't likable enough, you know, So you've got to strike
Speaker 2: this balance as a woman in this type of position
Speaker 2: to exude warmth and at the same time exude strength.
Speaker 2: And you even mentioned at some points when we were
Speaker 2: watching her speech, is she yelling?
Speaker 3: You know? She had to come on strong and forcefully.
Speaker 2: This is a woman who's going to potentially have the
Speaker 2: nuclear codes, and she has to be able to invade
Speaker 2: countries or protect democracy, all.
Speaker 3: Of these things.
Speaker 2: So she has to exude a real strength that we
Speaker 2: have to feel and believe. And that's a tough thing
Speaker 2: to do sometimes because at the same time, as a woman,
Speaker 2: you have to be likable, and you have to be kind,
Speaker 2: and you have to be you know, it's just all
Speaker 2: exaust it is And I thought she did nail it,
Speaker 2: and that's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 1: And look, she met the moment and that moment was
Speaker 1: history that I watching it, I wanted to be and
Speaker 1: I was you have to be proud just of your
Speaker 1: country in the moment. Forget everything else. Look at what
Speaker 1: we did as a country. Look this is happening in
Speaker 1: the country. That's kind of incredible. The short list Jeraldine Ferraro,
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin, and Kamala Harris only three women to be
Speaker 1: nominated as VP. Of course, kama is the only one
Speaker 1: who has won. But now we're not that far from
Speaker 1: I mean, Hillary Clinton wasn't that long ago. She was
Speaker 1: the first. We just don't have. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: Michelle Bachman's of the world, and the Kloba Jars and
Speaker 1: Nicky Haley, all those women that have it seemed like
Speaker 1: they're everywhere in politics and major party politics. But this
Speaker 1: was still and this is new to us to see
Speaker 1: what we saw last night, and I want it to
Speaker 1: be and I was so proud to see this black
Speaker 1: woman up there doing this thing and proud of the country.
Speaker 1: But then it was like, I don't say it was
Speaker 1: a letdown, but it's almost a compliment too that we
Speaker 1: didn't focus on it, that we maybe do expect this
Speaker 1: to be the next thing, and this is just who
Speaker 1: we are now and how we rolled and maybe that's
Speaker 1: the Maybe that's the best takeaway.
Speaker 2: And you know what, now that you mentioned it in
Speaker 2: that context, I love that she didn't mention that she
Speaker 2: or point out that she's a woman, that she's a
Speaker 2: black woman, that she's a woman of color. I think
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool that she above all of that and
Speaker 2: just went for basically, if you didn't know her, she
Speaker 2: was introducing herself for people who do. She was reintroducing
Speaker 2: herself and her story, and at the same time she
Speaker 2: really did get into policy, and she went after Trump wholeheartedly,
Speaker 2: which I didn't know that she was going to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, the speakers who had led up to her
Speaker 2: had all chosen to do that as well, because you know, Democrats,
Speaker 2: I think have and they have pointed out that this
Speaker 2: is a joyful campaign, and yet at the same time
Speaker 2: they understand that they have to at this point point
Speaker 2: out who not to vote for it, not just to
Speaker 2: vote for them, but and I hate that that's where
Speaker 2: we are in politics, but I think that's where we've
Speaker 2: always been.
Speaker 1: You know, so many of these things. I often do
Speaker 1: feel the same. It seems like every speech Theatic Convention
Speaker 1: is about change, about the future. It's about going forward,
Speaker 1: it's about not going back. It's about giving out an alternative
Speaker 1: and being the fresh face and we're going to turn
Speaker 1: the They all into that degree feel the same. She felt,
Speaker 1: in part, this has been there, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the country wanted an alternative to two old
Speaker 1: white guys. Yeah, and so a lot of those folks
Speaker 1: look at that last night and go, Okay, he's capable.
Speaker 1: We're good. You can at least feel that if you're
Speaker 1: not into democratic left and right and all this. She
Speaker 1: just gave another option to what we are used to
Speaker 1: in this country, which is a bunch of old white
Speaker 1: dudes on Capitol Hill telling everybody what they can and
Speaker 1: can't do, and oftentimes the complaint is telling women what
Speaker 1: they can and can't do with their bodies. So just
Speaker 1: to turn the page from those guys might be appealing
Speaker 1: outside of just party line.
Speaker 2: I certainly think it is. It was appealing to me that,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny. We've been watching, especially with the
Speaker 2: Democrats this week, go long and late, so it was
Speaker 2: nice to see her to be on time and brief.
Speaker 3: I was looking this up.
Speaker 2: She has one of the shortest acceptance speeches in campaign history,
Speaker 2: so hers was only thirty eight minutes. It's the twelfth
Speaker 2: shortest in modern history. Guess where Trump falls on that.
Speaker 2: We watched his speech as well.
Speaker 3: For the RNC.
Speaker 1: The first, second, and third longest convention speeches ever given
Speaker 1: were all done by mister Donald J.
Speaker 2: T All surprised and by the way he was speaking
Speaker 2: sort of the entire time. Kamala Harris was giving her
Speaker 2: speech he went on to a truth social the social media.
Speaker 2: I guess it's company that he is, I guess the
Speaker 2: largest owner in. But he was refuting and that was
Speaker 2: pretty smart on his part because he still was getting
Speaker 2: a lot of attention online and certainly in news publications
Speaker 2: as Kamala was speaking, he was refuting her points. You know,
Speaker 2: he's always been fairly brilliant when it comes to his tactics,
Speaker 2: and he was, Yeah, he managed to at least, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say share the spotlight, but at least continue to
Speaker 2: have the spotlight on him while Kamala was speaking.
Speaker 1: And you know, how do you we all have gotten
Speaker 1: into this habit now. I don't know why. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: take a step back because it feels disrespectful. We all
Speaker 1: call her Kamala.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what, you make a good point of
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: Everybody everybody called her Kamala, Kamala Kama. We're not calling
Speaker 1: him Donald nobody. And it's I mean, her name is
Speaker 1: first name, and it's it stands out and but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something about it feels disrespectful to me. Do not
Speaker 1: call her VP Harris.
Speaker 3: That's actually a really good point.
Speaker 2: I think it's funny even though I think they leaned
Speaker 2: into it a little bit last night with Carrie Washington
Speaker 2: with her with uh Kamala Harris's I think they were
Speaker 2: her grand nieces.
Speaker 3: They were adorable.
Speaker 2: But because Donald Trump mispronounces her name, Carrie was saying
Speaker 2: potentially deliberately, which would be disrespectful. So just in fun,
Speaker 2: they had the whole audience say her name Kama Lakama
Speaker 2: La so that no one would get it wrong. So
Speaker 2: Kamala was a big part of the evening and embracing
Speaker 2: that name.
Speaker 3: Said that all the signs said Kamala. They didn't say Harris.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know if it's disrespectful, but
Speaker 3: they've certainly leaned into it.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it is for what they're
Speaker 1: doing with the campaign, just saying for me, it feels
Speaker 1: a little weird. I guess just from our background in
Speaker 1: our history.
Speaker 3: We ever say George when we're talking about George W.
Speaker 2: Bush, right, I mean, and that is true, And but
Speaker 2: we did say Hillary, but maybe that's because the other
Speaker 2: Clinton was Bill. You know, I don't know, but that
Speaker 2: is a that is true. And yeah, and funny enough,
Speaker 2: you only called me by my last name and people.
Speaker 1: Think I'm being disrespectful by doing that. That's true.
Speaker 2: You call me Rovaca Robes and people are like, why
Speaker 2: don't you just call her by her name, Andy, You're
Speaker 2: being disrespectful.
Speaker 3: Can't win? I have thought about that.
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's just a little thing from last night. I
Speaker 1: did think her best most effect, I really thought it
Speaker 1: was effective, was the making the point about being a
Speaker 1: prosecutor and she's only had one client. I love that
Speaker 1: because it was very easy to understand I've only had
Speaker 1: one client, the people. I'd like, that's kind of effective
Speaker 1: when you're about to run.
Speaker 3: For president, she said from the courthouse to the White House.
Speaker 1: I just I've only represented the people, and then made
Speaker 1: the comparison saying Trump is only represented himself.
Speaker 3: He's only had one client.
Speaker 1: He's the one client. So I thought that was maybe
Speaker 1: one of her most effective and I was surprised to
Speaker 1: hear her be as effective as she was. On foreign policy,
Speaker 1: this was the one I thought she nailed, comparing Trump
Speaker 1: to a tyrant and said he would cozy up to
Speaker 1: them and then the Israel Gaza. That line she was written,
Speaker 1: it looks good on paper, and she delivered that line well.
Speaker 3: She truly did.
Speaker 2: She obviously made it very clear that she and her
Speaker 2: party stand with the people of Israel, but also made
Speaker 2: a very big nod to the people of Gaza and
Speaker 2: the atrocities and the absolute horrific, horrific attacks they've endured
Speaker 2: and the losses that they've felt. So she did thread
Speaker 2: that needle very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to her line quote, in this war, such
Speaker 1: that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering
Speaker 1: in Gaza ends, and the Palestine and people can realize
Speaker 1: their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination. It's
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that debate has been going
Speaker 1: on and around you know, dinner tables and around the
Speaker 1: water cooler, that you can be supportive of one but
Speaker 1: also your heart can go out to the suffering of another.
Speaker 1: There are people who are suffering. She did that in
Speaker 1: the most human of ways, but also as a politician
Speaker 1: and delivering a policy statement. I thought that was that
Speaker 1: that came for me, came out. I know, like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't think, like to your point, I
Speaker 2: don't think a lot of people were expecting her to
Speaker 2: go there. And I also think, look, regardless of where
Speaker 2: you are, how she went about attacking Trump was very effective,
Speaker 2: perhaps maybe just to her own party. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many Independence and and even other Republicans who she's
Speaker 2: obviously trying to bring over. We saw a former US Congressman,
Speaker 2: Adam Kissinger.
Speaker 3: I always say his name right? Wrong? Is I say?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: How many times we interviewed this.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: I can never say his name right?
Speaker 1: Practice his name every time Adam Kinsinger.
Speaker 2: Kinsinger, see I want to say, like, Henry Kissinger gets
Speaker 2: in my head and then I can't say his name.
Speaker 1: He's not coming out.
Speaker 3: But I thought that was.
Speaker 2: A really powerful moment when he came out and spoke.
Speaker 2: We've interviewed him several times, as we've mentioned, and he
Speaker 2: was one of two Republicans who was on the January
Speaker 2: sixth committee, so we already knew where he stood, and
Speaker 2: he's been very vocal about his.
Speaker 3: Anti Trump feelings.
Speaker 2: But to actually speak in front of the DNC was
Speaker 2: I thought a pretty powerful thing. But to then see
Speaker 2: where Kamala went when she went after Trump. She certainly
Speaker 2: spent a lot of her speech talking about what the
Speaker 2: risks would be of having another Trump term.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's to be expected. The only time I
Speaker 1: get well a little uncomfortable. Don't like when we pit
Speaker 1: It's one thing to say this person is wrong for
Speaker 1: the country, but to oftentimes we put anybody who supports
Speaker 1: that candidate into a particular box of also being evil
Speaker 1: and wrong and how could you? And that's how we
Speaker 1: have conversations with friends and family, people on the street. Sometimes, right,
Speaker 1: you support that person, then you must be a baby killer,
Speaker 1: You must hate the poor, you must we don't we
Speaker 1: Sometimes I hate that we split each other up as groups.
Speaker 1: That way, you are still an American and still can
Speaker 1: be a decent person no matter which one of these
Speaker 1: people you actually support.
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2: So going after this specific candidate talking about policy differences
Speaker 2: or even political styles, that's fine. But yes, when you
Speaker 2: start grouping in the people who support Trump versus the
Speaker 2: people who support Kamala Harris, that is not. That's where
Speaker 2: we get into just I think that's when we fall
Speaker 2: apart as a country.
Speaker 3: Without a doubt.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, it was long in the.
Speaker 2: Bier you were wondering where she was going with this.
Speaker 2: It was interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard
Speaker 2: of presidential candidate talk about the kind of music she
Speaker 2: likes to listen to growing up. But she got very
Speaker 2: specific with how she was raised and the influences in
Speaker 2: her life. And she was a great storyteller. She's obviously
Speaker 2: a great prosecutor. She knows how to build a case,
Speaker 2: and that's what she was doing. She was building a
Speaker 2: case for herself. You know, That's what I was thinking
Speaker 2: when I was listening to her. Wow, she knows how
Speaker 2: to talk to a jury, she knows how to talk
Speaker 2: to a judge, she knows how to win the room.
Speaker 3: And that's what she was doing.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought, because you obviously, you and
Speaker 1: I have been around and seen more prosecutors and attorneys,
Speaker 1: probably more than most. But when it comes to listing
Speaker 1: things and alliteration, she was absolutely prosecutorial. Yes, up there
Speaker 1: on stage down, and it's very effective when you are
Speaker 1: delivering a speech. I was looking, you know, I was texting.
Speaker 1: I was texting Chuck last night about the speech, and
Speaker 1: you're talking about it's kind of waiting on it to do.
Speaker 3: People know what Chuck is, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine, friend of mine, and that was
Speaker 1: my thing, and he's a very big supporter of Democrat
Speaker 1: And I was like, what's going on here? Like, where
Speaker 1: are we going with the speech? Three laughing emojis and
Speaker 1: says be patient, motherfucker. This is what he wrote. I
Speaker 1: wrote back, dude, now we're talking about daycare and Uncle Freddy.
Speaker 1: To your point, she was talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: things like specific.
Speaker 2: Families, names of neighbors and yes, friends, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And he throws back, it's early. Be patient, And sure
Speaker 1: enough I had to say, Okay, she brought it out.
Speaker 1: She did once she she put her story together, and
Speaker 1: then once she started talking talking about she found a
Speaker 1: stride and an energy and performative, she nailed it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be a good performer.
Speaker 2: When you just mentioned what Chuck sent to you the expletive, well,
Speaker 2: that just reminded me. We heard Kamala Harris. Now I
Speaker 2: feel bad, just say Kamala cursing. She in one of
Speaker 2: the videos that led up to her, she dropped an
Speaker 2: F bomb. They bleeped it out, and then she actually
Speaker 2: when she quoted her mom said, asked right, half asked,
Speaker 2: So that was you know, that was obviously true strategic
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: And my thought was that that was her being strong.
Speaker 3: She was a badass. She's not some weak woman.
Speaker 2: She's a she's a strong prosecutor, and she she can
Speaker 2: talk the talk, she can walk the walk. I wondered
Speaker 2: how many people that might have turned off, however, but
Speaker 2: it was a choice.
Speaker 1: But why if it was a choice, why for strength?
Speaker 2: I think strength and curse. You know, there's just yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like you, I get down and dirty, edgy, know
Speaker 2: how to Yeah, I know how to say what I
Speaker 2: need to say when I need to say it, and
Speaker 2: I won't back down.
Speaker 3: It's just there's a there's a posturing to that. I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's cathartic too, but yes, it's a
Speaker 2: choice to do it on that stage.
Speaker 1: I was surprised how little they talked about Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: But now it makes sense, but I was still surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she thanked him right off the top. And did
Speaker 2: we hear his name again? We did, actually, so I
Speaker 2: was googling it because I never I was listening for it,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember hearing her ever say his name again. Yep.
Speaker 2: And no one really wrote anything about that, but it
Speaker 2: definitely was notable.
Speaker 1: She got it. She got everybody, all the dudes out
Speaker 1: of the way. Thank you, husband, Doug, thank you, Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: Thank you Tim, Tim Waltz. All right, let's get to
Speaker 1: Kamala now. Yeah, then move right on. And I can
Speaker 1: understand why I was still just with Joe Biden. That
Speaker 1: was I guess I was anticipating her to say a
Speaker 1: whole lot more in that regard, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And the thing, we watched a lot of coverage leading
Speaker 1: up to her speed and it seemed like every few minutes,
Speaker 1: some reporter on the floor was asking somebody in the
Speaker 1: audience about the much anticipated special guests that was supposed
Speaker 1: to come out last night. People were buzzing, was this
Speaker 1: went nuts?
Speaker 3: And it was all what was leading up to last night?
Speaker 2: And then all through the night I was getting text
Speaker 2: from someone who had a friend reporting and even they
Speaker 2: from the convention floor in Chicago was saying that Beyonce
Speaker 2: was waiting backstage and was about to come on stage.
Speaker 3: That's high big.
Speaker 2: The rumor had gotten that people reporters on the floor
Speaker 2: were saying that Beyonce was in the wings, like was there?
Speaker 3: And I was laughing when it never happened. And did
Speaker 3: this all come about?
Speaker 2: Because one someone on the Harris campaign tweeted something or
Speaker 2: put a bee at the end of an ex a
Speaker 2: tweet and everyone just inferred that meant that the beehive
Speaker 2: Beyonce was going to be there.
Speaker 1: I don't know there was before that. That was some
Speaker 1: anonymous person on Twitter that something took off saying that
Speaker 1: you thought was essentially saying you thought Oprah was big,
Speaker 1: just way to coming next. How many people can you
Speaker 1: count in the world that are going to be a
Speaker 1: bigger deal than Oprah? Maybe not a whole lot, maybe one,
Speaker 1: maybe two, but those two were talked about. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of Taylor Swift, but the Beyonce one seemed real.
Speaker 1: From what you're talking about. Was the White House political direction, Yes,
Speaker 1: it is directors a big deal.
Speaker 2: She claimed that her daughter got her phone and put
Speaker 2: the bee emoji or I don't know there was the daughter.
Speaker 2: I think actually that was pretty smart because people might
Speaker 2: have just tuned in to see Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Well, they were disappointed last night. The other thing that
Speaker 1: finally was the final stamp on this is happening, TMZ
Speaker 1: reported TMZ flat out came out and said Beyonce is
Speaker 1: going to perform. They said she is in Chicago and
Speaker 1: is going to perform at the DNC. Now credit to TMZ,
Speaker 1: they have gained such a reputation when they say something,
Speaker 1: I believe it because they were how many deaths have
Speaker 1: they broken? How many stories have they broken? And absolutely
Speaker 1: right when nobody else had a clue. So congrats to them.
Speaker 1: But they got this one wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean I think everyone did. I'm telling you, I
Speaker 2: actually that was one of the biggest rumors that never happened.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 2: I can't think of something recently where more people got
Speaker 2: it wrong.
Speaker 1: Here you TMZ, and I quote Beyonce is in Chicago
Speaker 1: and getting ready to pop out for Kamala Harris on
Speaker 1: the final night of the DNC. TMZ has learned yep,
Speaker 1: multiple sources in the know tell us she'll be the
Speaker 1: big surprise performer. They absolutely say that it's a huge
Speaker 1: deal for Harris and the party. But as in Chicago
Speaker 1: were told Chicago PD is on high alert and it's
Speaker 1: involved in security for Beyonce at the United Center Arena.
Speaker 1: They reported that to their credit robes and we don't
Speaker 1: see this enough. Nine thirty pm last night, they say,
Speaker 1: to quote the great Beyonce, we gotta lay our cards down, down, down,
Speaker 1: down down. We got this one wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is cool to see that, to read
Speaker 2: that nobody doesn't nobody does that we.
Speaker 1: Messed up, are bad Like TMZ is one of the
Speaker 1: most respected news sources out there now because at least
Speaker 1: if they get it wrong, they'll come back and say so,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate it as well. But this
Speaker 1: thing took off. It's all folks were talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh it was. I was getting texts, like I said,
Speaker 2: from from people who I know who insisted she was backstage.
Speaker 1: I see her now.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind.
Speaker 2: Of what it seemed like to me. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: oh wow, okay, this is happening. And it did not
Speaker 2: and was not. But yeah, that kudos to TMZ for
Speaker 2: for owning it and not even making an excuse about it,
Speaker 2: just saying we got it wrong.
Speaker 1: That's as simple as that. We would have tried to places.
Speaker 2: Here's why because of this, and it's not really my
Speaker 2: fault because this person told me and then that, so
Speaker 2: what was I supposed to do.
Speaker 3: It's actually a nice.
Speaker 2: Reminder of the power of just saying I'm wrong or
Speaker 2: I was wrong and not saying anything else, just leaving
Speaker 2: it at that. Politicians could learn from that moment.
Speaker 1: Teaching relationship lessons. Just own it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: In marriages, relationships, politics, the rule applies everywhere.
Speaker 3: Admit that you're wrong and move on.
Speaker 1: Nailed it again. You give them credit, but to think
Speaker 1: that we believe what TMZ says because they have been
Speaker 1: right so often. And it didn't help that they said
Speaker 1: that the they were like sound checks going on in
Speaker 1: the convention center that was playing Beyonce's song Freedom.
Speaker 2: Which which is the campaign song, campaign song, so it
Speaker 2: makes sense too. I mean, that is the song that
Speaker 2: has been playing, I believe one of when they were
Speaker 2: asking about the rumors of whether or not Beyonce was
Speaker 2: going to perform, one of the folks in Harris's campaign said, well,
Speaker 2: Beyonce has been on every night because the song has
Speaker 2: been playing throughout the entire convention, and certainly she's been
Speaker 2: a part of it, just she wasn't physically there.
Speaker 1: You know what I've been This is only me, maybe
Speaker 1: some others, but you know how much I have been
Speaker 1: into the old Drake and Kendrick back and for well, yes,
Speaker 1: so to see the d I wasn't even thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching DNC coverage and then I hear Kendrick
Speaker 1: rapping in the arena, because he, of course is the
Speaker 1: guest artist on that song Freedom, so to hear I'm
Speaker 1: hearing his voice pipe through the DNC on that song,
Speaker 1: and I'm waiting for him to say mother F the
Speaker 1: Big Three. It's just big me like I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: That's where my head was.
Speaker 3: But that don't happen either.
Speaker 1: And do you know what, I've never heard of it before,
Speaker 1: and I'm still trying to pieces together what the hell
Speaker 1: is a soy boy?
Speaker 3: So I had to google it.
Speaker 2: You asked me, and I said unclear, and then it
Speaker 2: made a little more sense when I and apparently this
Speaker 2: phrase has been around for a while. But look, I
Speaker 2: only really know about this because I'm a breast cancer survivor,
Speaker 2: and there was a big concern that at one point
Speaker 2: that if you are a breast cancer survivor specifically, you
Speaker 2: should avoid soy products because they can produce an estrogen
Speaker 2: like I think it's a plant estrogen, but it mimics
Speaker 2: human estrogen in the body. To be clear, it is
Speaker 2: not a danger and it is okay for any breast
Speaker 2: cancer patients or survivor to have soy But however, the
Speaker 2: implication is that there's estrogen involved. So when you call
Speaker 2: someone a soy boy, you're saying they're feminine or a
Speaker 2: base or less masculine.
Speaker 3: Maybe at the very least.
Speaker 1: I had, I had no idea. So trending last night
Speaker 1: was this thing? What was it?
Speaker 3: Home Ago oh tee, soy boy, so low teston Lowton testerone,
Speaker 3: soy boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this has come about now because there's been this
Speaker 1: whole talk this week about the Democratic Party of what
Speaker 1: we've been seeing being too feminine, a lack of masculinity.
Speaker 1: And I guess Dana Bash from CNN kind of set
Speaker 1: all of this off in kind of describing the type
Speaker 1: of men who would be supportive of Democrats or of
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris versus the type of men who would be
Speaker 1: supportive of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, they're talking about the DNC. They're they're
Speaker 2: doing so trying to put forward male figures, Tim Waltz
Speaker 2: being one of them. Doug m Hoff, who of course
Speaker 2: is Kamala Harris's husband, who can speak to men out
Speaker 2: there who might not be the sort of testosterone laden,
Speaker 2: gun toting kind of guy who wants to listen to
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan and the kind of players that came out
Speaker 2: of the RNC. Hulk Hogan, we all remember just a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago at the RNC was up there and
Speaker 2: in classic Hall Cogan fashion, ripped off his shirt. So
Speaker 2: you know, she was comparing that to what we're seeing
Speaker 2: the men. And so what I actually thought was pretty
Speaker 2: funny was that one of the commentators on Fox said,
Speaker 2: she literally said that Tim Waltz appeals to low te
Speaker 2: beta males. What is funny is that both Democrats and
Speaker 2: Republicans will cheer for this for completely opposite reasons. And
Speaker 2: that actually is just so true.
Speaker 1: And what are we doing?
Speaker 2: I mean, why do we want to pigeonhole any man
Speaker 2: or any group of men for one or the other.
Speaker 1: We are trying to, on two sides define what masculine
Speaker 1: is or should be. But the is it not all
Speaker 1: of those things? Is there not one? I have to
Speaker 1: be this rough and gruff dude, who does like this sport?
Speaker 1: Who does like this type of beer? Who does have
Speaker 1: a gun? Who?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Why? And I've seen guys in Central Park with matching
Speaker 1: jogging suits pushing a double stroller. That's masculinity too, like
Speaker 1: it all? Why are we saying it has to be this.
Speaker 2: Or that, And I actually hope that this wasn't any
Speaker 2: sort of implication, but it is frustrating, I will say,
Speaker 2: to imply even that you need to be a beta
Speaker 2: male or a low tea mail to be willing to
Speaker 2: vote for a woman as president. And I think that
Speaker 2: was part of it. And I don't that's something that
Speaker 2: I think everyone should be offended by.
Speaker 1: But it's going to be effective, is it not. And
Speaker 1: certainly in some parts of the country she has been
Speaker 1: talked about you plenty already folks that she does not
Speaker 1: do well with men, or she needs to certainly do
Speaker 1: better with men.
Speaker 3: So now I don't know this helps, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: if that's like the mantra that oh you know.
Speaker 2: And also this is this concept of being like, you know,
Speaker 2: the intellectual elite and you know, just subdued, like not
Speaker 2: that not the alpha male who's out there you know,
Speaker 2: on his ATV, in his camo. You know that that
Speaker 2: all of those things can be true about one person.
Speaker 2: It's just frustrating to any time we're trying to stereotype.
Speaker 2: What also, what defines gender, what defines masculinity, what defines femininity?
Speaker 2: It I just this is a dangerous place to go
Speaker 2: when it comes to politics, especially when you have a
Speaker 2: woman running for president.
Speaker 1: And I seem to end, Look, this was the party
Speaker 1: is now in the hands of a woman, of a
Speaker 1: black woman, and you know what's that That's gonna take
Speaker 1: probably some people a little while to get comfortable with,
Speaker 1: and some people might not ever embrace that and ever
Speaker 1: want to support that or even give give it a chance.
Speaker 1: And certainly doesn't help when that party and that person
Speaker 1: is telling you you, some estrogen filled dude, if you're
Speaker 1: over here, then a lot of guys are going to say, well,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I'm solidly over here. They got to double
Speaker 1: down on the masculinity on the other side. I just hey,
Speaker 1: black folks like this, and a lot of groups to
Speaker 1: be like, why are you trying to We can be this,
Speaker 1: We can be that. Being black does not mean we
Speaker 1: have this one particular black experience. It's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And now we're doing this with men. It was talked
Speaker 1: about a lot because we end Carvill's old comments James Carvill,
Speaker 1: what was it the what is a preachy women? They said?
Speaker 1: The party, he said, the party is appears now like
Speaker 1: a bunch of preachy women telling folks what to do,
Speaker 1: or that it was an over feminization, something along those
Speaker 1: lines is what he did say. Those comments came back up,
Speaker 1: and Hey, I just don't want to have what we
Speaker 1: talk about race politics, We talk about how we split
Speaker 1: each other so often.
Speaker 3: Now it's gender.
Speaker 1: Now it's gender and sub gender.
Speaker 3: You're right within the gender. What kind of man are you?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. That's the line. What kind of man
Speaker 1: are you? And that will determine who you vote for.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I don't think this is going away. Oh it's
Speaker 2: because especially yeah, especially if if the problem for Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris is male voters. Oh, this is this is going
Speaker 2: to get even bigger and unclear.
Speaker 1: Of man are you? Where do you? Where do I
Speaker 1: fall on that spectrum of masculinity?
Speaker 2: You know what, It's cool because I actually think you
Speaker 2: are like a classic example of being both. I mean,
Speaker 2: watching you with Sabine and being a girl dad, I
Speaker 2: see so many endearing qualities that aren't you know, you know,
Speaker 2: gruff and tough, but they're kind and soft and gentle,
Speaker 2: and I think I love that men can be all
Speaker 2: those things. And of course you're extremely masculine in a
Speaker 2: million other ways. So it's yeah. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: think it's crazy you have camel pants on right now
Speaker 2: as I'm looking at you, But that that's just this,
Speaker 2: it's just a silly I won't but you do have
Speaker 2: camel pants on right now. Yeah, you embody so much
Speaker 2: of what you know that masculinity.
Speaker 3: Is, but also there's femininely.
Speaker 2: We all have all like I'm not I'm not you know,
Speaker 2: a girly girl or you know it's I just think
Speaker 2: that's so silly when we start pointing fingers like that
Speaker 2: and trying to dissect people, and especially in this era
Speaker 2: we're in where gender, we've got non binary, we've got like,
Speaker 2: let's like, can we please get off this now? I mean,
Speaker 2: this is taking it to a whole other level.
Speaker 1: Can you just be I'm a man and she's a woman,
Speaker 1: and some people are both and some people whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's okay, Now I have to Now
Speaker 1: I have to fill out the application further, I can't
Speaker 1: just click mail.
Speaker 3: Are you a soy boy.
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 2: Are you a testoster? And Ron Leaden Man, Maybe it's
Speaker 2: just I don't even know. I don't even know where
Speaker 2: we're going with this.
Speaker 1: That'll be talked about, but it was a hell of
Speaker 1: a night for her. And it's the incredible part is
Speaker 1: that kamal Aires, now, after we saw last night obviously
Speaker 1: a celebration, there was history there, there was a lot happening.
Speaker 1: But she not too long ago, was one of the
Speaker 1: most unpopular vice presidents we have ever no excuse me,
Speaker 1: in history. She has pulled lower than Dick Cheney in
Speaker 1: terms of popularity. And at the end of last year
Speaker 1: she was around thirty five thirty six percent approval. That
Speaker 1: is wildly low, just at the end of last year.
Speaker 1: And to think now it's turned around to this point
Speaker 1: that they didn't want him so much that they went
Speaker 1: they were talking about kicking her off the ticket because
Speaker 1: she would drag the ticket down because of her low
Speaker 1: approval approval rating. That was eight nine months ago, and
Speaker 1: here we are. This is all incredible. You never know,
Speaker 1: she said it at some point and Robes you and
Speaker 1: I could talk about there's plenty you do not know
Speaker 1: what your journey is going to be to get you
Speaker 1: to where you're supposed to be. It might not look
Speaker 1: like you want it, it might not be traditional. Look
Speaker 1: at all that had to happen for her to get
Speaker 1: to where she is embrace the moment, and she did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She actually said throughout her campaigns for attorney general, etc.
Speaker 3: That she was always.
Speaker 2: Always underconsidered and people didn't expect her to do as
Speaker 2: well as she did. And you know, that's not always
Speaker 2: a bad position to be in. When people don't expect
Speaker 2: much from you, you can wow them.
Speaker 3: And that's what she did last night for sure.
Speaker 2: And you know, she's like, I've always been underestimated and
Speaker 2: look at us now, and I think they did a
Speaker 2: really good job I hate to say this of humanizing her,
Speaker 2: but you know, we saw that happening at the RNC
Speaker 2: with Trump and his family members coming up and having
Speaker 2: very impressive children and grandchildren. So you're like, okay, you
Speaker 2: know I mean, and you just see them as humans.
Speaker 2: You don't see them just as these politicians who were
Speaker 2: rattling off talking points, but you actually see the human
Speaker 2: side of them. They did a really good job of
Speaker 2: that last night as well with Kamala Harris. And you
Speaker 2: know what, I will say this after watching this speech
Speaker 2: her speech last night, we watched Trump's speech, was it
Speaker 2: was a long, long night. We watched Trump's speech as well,
Speaker 2: and I thought he did a very good job I
Speaker 2: was very impressed with his speech as well. So I
Speaker 2: am very much looking forward to September tenth, how about you.
Speaker 1: That's everything. September tenth has to be. The election is
Speaker 1: going to be decided that day, quite possibly. And look,
Speaker 1: we always talk about inn October surprise. We've seen it plenty.
Speaker 1: There's plenty that's going to happen. She's going to get
Speaker 1: a bump after this, all the polling. I'm looking as
Speaker 1: we were talking and just all glowing news alerts. Everybody's
Speaker 1: going to be getting this more about how great she
Speaker 1: did and how wonderful it was and contrasting Trump, and
Speaker 1: she is about to get a pretty decent bump. What
Speaker 1: do they say, three to five point something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that happens almost with every convention. And the
Speaker 2: question is how long will it last? Will it last
Speaker 2: seventy days? Most certainly not.
Speaker 1: All this stuff's coming and just it's what it goes,
Speaker 1: these things, evan flow. So she's having her moment, and
Speaker 1: it's good that she had it.
Speaker 2: And so here we go September tenth. I think we
Speaker 2: know what we're doing that night, as will the rest
Speaker 2: of the country. And I do think what you said
Speaker 2: is true and especially think about it. That debate ended
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's presidential run, It ended his political career, and
Speaker 2: those debates matter and they mean something. And I think
Speaker 2: especially now when people a lot of people are undecided,
Speaker 2: and that debate will most likely be the reason why
Speaker 2: people vote for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: So, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us, listening
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Speaker 1: history made. They were expecting two black women last night,
Speaker 1: only one showed up. Sorry, behive