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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, Kamala Harris makes history. But here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>she never even mentioned it in her acceptance speech. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>who told you Beyonce was going to perform at the DNC.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out the rumors, the buzz, the anticipation were all wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the hell is a low te soy boy?

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<v Speaker 1>And why it matters in this election? And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody welcomes to Amy and TJ Robes. Kamala Harris nailed

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<v Speaker 1>it in her speech. And the reason I know that

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<v Speaker 1>is because Fox News told me she nailed it. We

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<v Speaker 1>do this now. We don't just watch one network or

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<v Speaker 1>one cable network. When you flicked around last night and

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<v Speaker 1>got immediate reaction, you could tell from the Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>folks that she got it right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting, and we've talked about this, but we

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<v Speaker 2>encourage everyone, especially in these next seventy plus days, to

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<v Speaker 2>check out all the channels because you will see two

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<v Speaker 2>very different versions of the same thing based on who

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<v Speaker 2>you're watching. But to your point, yes, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>there is some concern potentially among Republicans for what we

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<v Speaker 2>saw last night when you see Fox News not going

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<v Speaker 2>straight in for the kill, and that does happen almost

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<v Speaker 2>every other time.

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<v Speaker 1>Every single time, you'll turn on one network and they

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<v Speaker 1>say this is the greatest speech we've ever seen in

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<v Speaker 1>political history, and the other one is say Foxes will

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<v Speaker 1>say this is the worst speech I think has ever

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<v Speaker 1>been delivered modern in the modern area. That wasn't last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediate reaction from all of them was not necessarily I

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<v Speaker 1>won't even say not just immediately critical, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>complementary in a way, and saying she did the job

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<v Speaker 1>and understood the assignment in that speech, and so to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that was my first indication of just how well

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<v Speaker 1>she had done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, she's not known for giving riveting, powerful speeches,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet last night she did exactly what she needed

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<v Speaker 2>to do with just a few weeks prep time, because

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<v Speaker 2>remember she just got the novel, or she just was

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<v Speaker 2>handed this potential position a matter of weeks ago, so

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<v Speaker 2>everything had to flip on its head from the lineup

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<v Speaker 2>to what we were going to see over.

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<v Speaker 3>The last four days.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was you have to, at least, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>where you stand politically, give her and the people around

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<v Speaker 2>her credit for pulling that off so quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Month and a day, a month and a day before

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<v Speaker 1>she got on stage. Joe Biden was still supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the nominee. He dropped out a month and a

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<v Speaker 1>day before she got on stage. That's just remarkable. So her,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not really an assessment or you have plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>folks out there who'll tell you and give you an

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<v Speaker 1>assessment of the speech and break it down politically. I

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<v Speaker 1>was though, Roades, we couldn't miss it because who knows

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<v Speaker 1>when we might see this again in our lives, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've never seen it before, the country hasn't seen it before.

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<v Speaker 1>A black woman is a major party nominee for president

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't even mentioned last night in our speech.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it remarkable?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you saw the powerful the visual of the

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<v Speaker 2>women out in the audience who were all dressed in white,

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<v Speaker 2>notably honoring women's suffrage over one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was a pretty cool thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I saw women openly weeping listening to Kamala speaking

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<v Speaker 2>for most likely what you just mentioned. Yet she never

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<v Speaker 2>said it, she never acknowledged it. She's just the second

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<v Speaker 2>woman to be given this opportunity within the Democratic Party,

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<v Speaker 2>and she would of course become the first woman and notably, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>first black woman, first woman of East Asian descent to

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<v Speaker 2>take on that position, and yet she didn't point that out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure that was a very deliberate thing. She

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be powerful, and not that women can't be powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>but she wanted to be relatable and powerful, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think if those were her two goals, she absolutely nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, just because she's a woman doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be powerful, But I think that does play in it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so much talk about feminine and masculine during the

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<v Speaker 1>DNC in particular R and C as well. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into that in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>But.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay to say that out loud, that there sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>is an extra burden on women, whether that's in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the office on the Upper West Side here in

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<v Speaker 1>New York or president presidential politics, there's some you have

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you exude some level of strength and

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<v Speaker 1>power and command.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a tough needle to thread for a woman

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<v Speaker 2>in her position or who is seeking a powerful position.

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<v Speaker 2>Look what happened to Hillary. She wasn't warm enough, she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't likable enough, you know, So you've got to strike

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<v Speaker 2>this balance as a woman in this type of position

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<v Speaker 2>to exude warmth and at the same time exude strength.

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<v Speaker 2>And you even mentioned at some points when we were

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<v Speaker 2>watching her speech, is she yelling?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? She had to come on strong and forcefully.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a woman who's going to potentially have the

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear codes, and she has to be able to invade

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<v Speaker 2>countries or protect democracy, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>So she has to exude a real strength that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to feel and believe. And that's a tough thing

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<v Speaker 2>to do sometimes because at the same time, as a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be likable, and you have to be kind,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to be you know, it's just all

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<v Speaker 2>exaust it is And I thought she did nail it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a tough thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, she met the moment and that moment was

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<v Speaker 1>history that I watching it, I wanted to be and

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<v Speaker 1>I was you have to be proud just of your

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<v Speaker 1>country in the moment. Forget everything else. Look at what

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<v Speaker 1>we did as a country. Look this is happening in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. That's kind of incredible. The short list Jeraldine Ferraro,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Palin, and Kamala Harris only three women to be

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<v Speaker 1>nominated as VP. Of course, kama is the only one

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<v Speaker 1>who has won. But now we're not that far from

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Hillary Clinton wasn't that long ago. She was

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<v Speaker 1>the first. We just don't have. I mean, all the

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Bachman's of the world, and the Kloba Jars and

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<v Speaker 1>Nicky Haley, all those women that have it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>they're everywhere in politics and major party politics. But this

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<v Speaker 1>was still and this is new to us to see

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<v Speaker 1>what we saw last night, and I want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be and I was so proud to see this black

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<v Speaker 1>woman up there doing this thing and proud of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it was like, I don't say it was

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<v Speaker 1>a letdown, but it's almost a compliment too that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't focus on it, that we maybe do expect this

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<v Speaker 1>to be the next thing, and this is just who

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<v Speaker 1>we are now and how we rolled and maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>the Maybe that's the best takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, now that you mentioned it in

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<v Speaker 2>that context, I love that she didn't mention that she

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<v Speaker 2>or point out that she's a woman, that she's a

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<v Speaker 2>black woman, that she's a woman of color. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty cool that she above all of that and

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<v Speaker 2>just went for basically, if you didn't know her, she

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<v Speaker 2>was introducing herself for people who do. She was reintroducing

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<v Speaker 2>herself and her story, and at the same time she

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<v Speaker 2>really did get into policy, and she went after Trump wholeheartedly,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't know that she was going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the speakers who had led up to her

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<v Speaker 2>had all chosen to do that as well, because you know, Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>I think have and they have pointed out that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a joyful campaign, and yet at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>they understand that they have to at this point point

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<v Speaker 2>out who not to vote for it, not just to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for them, but and I hate that that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we are in politics, but I think that's where we've

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<v Speaker 2>always been.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so many of these things. I often do

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<v Speaker 1>feel the same. It seems like every speech Theatic Convention

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<v Speaker 1>is about change, about the future. It's about going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about not going back. It's about giving out an alternative

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<v Speaker 1>and being the fresh face and we're going to turn

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<v Speaker 1>the They all into that degree feel the same. She felt,

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<v Speaker 1>in part, this has been there, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in the country wanted an alternative to two old

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<v Speaker 1>white guys. Yeah, and so a lot of those folks

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<v Speaker 1>look at that last night and go, Okay, he's capable.

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<v Speaker 1>We're good. You can at least feel that if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not into democratic left and right and all this. She

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<v Speaker 1>just gave another option to what we are used to

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, which is a bunch of old white

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<v Speaker 1>dudes on Capitol Hill telling everybody what they can and

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<v Speaker 1>can't do, and oftentimes the complaint is telling women what

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<v Speaker 1>they can and can't do with their bodies. So just

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<v Speaker 1>to turn the page from those guys might be appealing

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<v Speaker 1>outside of just party line.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly think it is. It was appealing to me that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's funny. We've been watching, especially with the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats this week, go long and late, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>nice to see her to be on time and brief.

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking this up.

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<v Speaker 2>She has one of the shortest acceptance speeches in campaign history,

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<v Speaker 2>so hers was only thirty eight minutes. It's the twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>shortest in modern history. Guess where Trump falls on that.

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<v Speaker 2>We watched his speech as well.

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<v Speaker 3>For the RNC.

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<v Speaker 1>The first, second, and third longest convention speeches ever given

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<v Speaker 1>were all done by mister Donald J.

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<v Speaker 2>T All surprised and by the way he was speaking

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the entire time. Kamala Harris was giving her

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<v Speaker 2>speech he went on to a truth social the social media.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's company that he is, I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>largest owner in. But he was refuting and that was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty smart on his part because he still was getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of attention online and certainly in news publications

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<v Speaker 2>as Kamala was speaking, he was refuting her points. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's always been fairly brilliant when it comes to his tactics,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was, Yeah, he managed to at least, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say share the spotlight, but at least continue to

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<v Speaker 2>have the spotlight on him while Kamala was speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, how do you we all have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into this habit now. I don't know why. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>take a step back because it feels disrespectful. We all

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<v Speaker 1>call her Kamala.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you know what, you make a good point of

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<v Speaker 3>Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody everybody called her Kamala, Kamala Kama. We're not calling

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<v Speaker 1>him Donald nobody. And it's I mean, her name is

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<v Speaker 1>first name, and it's it stands out and but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something about it feels disrespectful to me. Do not

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<v Speaker 1>call her VP Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>That's actually a really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's funny even though I think they leaned

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<v Speaker 2>into it a little bit last night with Carrie Washington

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<v Speaker 2>with her with uh Kamala Harris's I think they were

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<v Speaker 2>her grand nieces.

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<v Speaker 3>They were adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>But because Donald Trump mispronounces her name, Carrie was saying

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<v Speaker 2>potentially deliberately, which would be disrespectful. So just in fun,

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<v Speaker 2>they had the whole audience say her name Kama Lakama

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<v Speaker 2>La so that no one would get it wrong. So

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala was a big part of the evening and embracing

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<v Speaker 2>that name.

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<v Speaker 3>Said that all the signs said Kamala. They didn't say Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I don't know if it's disrespectful, but

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<v Speaker 3>they've certainly leaned into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think it is for what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing with the campaign, just saying for me, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>a little weird. I guess just from our background in

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<v Speaker 1>our history.

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<v Speaker 3>We ever say George when we're talking about George W.

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<v Speaker 2>Bush, right, I mean, and that is true, And but

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<v Speaker 2>we did say Hillary, but maybe that's because the other

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton was Bill. You know, I don't know, but that

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<v Speaker 2>is a that is true. And yeah, and funny enough,

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<v Speaker 2>you only called me by my last name and people.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I'm being disrespectful by doing that. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>You call me Rovaca Robes and people are like, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you just call her by her name, Andy, You're

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<v Speaker 2>being disrespectful.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't win? I have thought about that.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's just a little thing from last night. I

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<v Speaker 1>did think her best most effect, I really thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was effective, was the making the point about being a

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor and she's only had one client. I love that

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<v Speaker 1>because it was very easy to understand I've only had

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<v Speaker 1>one client, the people. I'd like, that's kind of effective

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<v Speaker 1>when you're about to run.

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<v Speaker 3>For president, she said from the courthouse to the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I've only represented the people, and then made

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<v Speaker 1>the comparison saying Trump is only represented himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He's only had one client.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the one client. So I thought that was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one of her most effective and I was surprised to

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<v Speaker 1>hear her be as effective as she was. On foreign policy,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the one I thought she nailed, comparing Trump

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<v Speaker 1>to a tyrant and said he would cozy up to

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<v Speaker 1>them and then the Israel Gaza. That line she was written,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks good on paper, and she delivered that line well.

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<v Speaker 3>She truly did.

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<v Speaker 2>She obviously made it very clear that she and her

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<v Speaker 2>party stand with the people of Israel, but also made

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<v Speaker 2>a very big nod to the people of Gaza and

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<v Speaker 2>the atrocities and the absolute horrific, horrific attacks they've endured

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<v Speaker 2>and the losses that they've felt. So she did thread

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<v Speaker 2>that needle very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to her line quote, in this war, such

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<v Speaker 1>that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering

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<v Speaker 1>in Gaza ends, and the Palestine and people can realize

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<v Speaker 1>their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination. It's

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of that debate has been going

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<v Speaker 1>on and around you know, dinner tables and around the

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<v Speaker 1>water cooler, that you can be supportive of one but

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<v Speaker 1>also your heart can go out to the suffering of another.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people who are suffering. She did that in

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<v Speaker 1>the most human of ways, but also as a politician

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<v Speaker 1>and delivering a policy statement. I thought that was that

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<v Speaker 1>that came for me, came out. I know, like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I don't think, like to your point, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think a lot of people were expecting her to

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<v Speaker 2>go there. And I also think, look, regardless of where

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<v Speaker 2>you are, how she went about attacking Trump was very effective,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps maybe just to her own party. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many Independence and and even other Republicans who she's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously trying to bring over. We saw a former US Congressman,

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Kissinger.

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<v Speaker 3>I always say his name right? Wrong? Is I say?

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<v Speaker 2>There?

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<v Speaker 1>How many times we interviewed this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what?

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<v Speaker 3>I can never say his name right?

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<v Speaker 1>Practice his name every time Adam Kinsinger.

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<v Speaker 2>Kinsinger, see I want to say, like, Henry Kissinger gets

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<v Speaker 2>in my head and then I can't say his name.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought that was.

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<v Speaker 2>A really powerful moment when he came out and spoke.

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<v Speaker 2>We've interviewed him several times, as we've mentioned, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was one of two Republicans who was on the January

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<v Speaker 2>sixth committee, so we already knew where he stood, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's been very vocal about his.

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<v Speaker 3>Anti Trump feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>But to actually speak in front of the DNC was

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<v Speaker 2>I thought a pretty powerful thing. But to then see

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<v Speaker 2>where Kamala went when she went after Trump. She certainly

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of her speech talking about what the

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<v Speaker 2>risks would be of having another Trump term.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and that's to be expected. The only time I

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<v Speaker 1>get well a little uncomfortable. Don't like when we pit

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thing to say this person is wrong for

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<v Speaker 1>the country, but to oftentimes we put anybody who supports

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<v Speaker 1>that candidate into a particular box of also being evil

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<v Speaker 1>and wrong and how could you? And that's how we

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<v Speaker 1>have conversations with friends and family, people on the street. Sometimes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you support that person, then you must be a baby killer,

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<v Speaker 1>You must hate the poor, you must we don't we

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I hate that we split each other up as groups.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, you are still an American and still can

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<v Speaker 1>be a decent person no matter which one of these

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<v Speaker 1>people you actually support.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>So going after this specific candidate talking about policy differences

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<v Speaker 2>or even political styles, that's fine. But yes, when you

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<v Speaker 2>start grouping in the people who support Trump versus the

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<v Speaker 2>people who support Kamala Harris, that is not. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>we get into just I think that's when we fall

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<v Speaker 2>apart as a country.

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<v Speaker 3>Without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>At the beginning, it was long in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bier you were wondering where she was going with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was interesting. I don't know that I've ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>of presidential candidate talk about the kind of music she

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<v Speaker 2>likes to listen to growing up. But she got very

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<v Speaker 2>specific with how she was raised and the influences in

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<v Speaker 2>her life. And she was a great storyteller. She's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a great prosecutor. She knows how to build a case,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what she was doing. She was building a

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<v Speaker 2>case for herself. You know, That's what I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>when I was listening to her. Wow, she knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to a jury, she knows how to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to a judge, she knows how to win the room.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what she was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I thought, because you obviously, you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been around and seen more prosecutors and attorneys,

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<v Speaker 1>probably more than most. But when it comes to listing

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<v Speaker 1>things and alliteration, she was absolutely prosecutorial. Yes, up there

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<v Speaker 1>on stage down, and it's very effective when you are

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<v Speaker 1>delivering a speech. I was looking, you know, I was texting.

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<v Speaker 1>I was texting Chuck last night about the speech, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about it's kind of waiting on it to do.

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<v Speaker 3>People know what Chuck is, Uh, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine, friend of mine, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>my thing, and he's a very big supporter of Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what's going on here? Like, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we going with the speech? Three laughing emojis and

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<v Speaker 1>says be patient, motherfucker. This is what he wrote. I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote back, dude, now we're talking about daycare and Uncle Freddy.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point, she was talking about a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things like specific.

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<v Speaker 2>Families, names of neighbors and yes, friends, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>And he throws back, it's early. Be patient, And sure

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<v Speaker 1>enough I had to say, Okay, she brought it out.

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<v Speaker 1>She did once she she put her story together, and

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<v Speaker 1>then once she started talking talking about she found a

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<v Speaker 1>stride and an energy and performative, she nailed it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to be a good performer.

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<v Speaker 2>When you just mentioned what Chuck sent to you the expletive, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that just reminded me. We heard Kamala Harris. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad, just say Kamala cursing. She in one of

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<v Speaker 2>the videos that led up to her, she dropped an

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<v Speaker 2>F bomb. They bleeped it out, and then she actually

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<v Speaker 2>when she quoted her mom said, asked right, half asked,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was you know, that was obviously true strategic

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And my thought was that that was her being strong.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a badass. She's not some weak woman.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a she's a strong prosecutor, and she she can

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<v Speaker 2>talk the talk, she can walk the walk. I wondered

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<v Speaker 2>how many people that might have turned off, however, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>But why if it was a choice, why for strength?

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<v Speaker 2>I think strength and curse. You know, there's just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like you, I get down and dirty, edgy, know

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<v Speaker 2>how to Yeah, I know how to say what I

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<v Speaker 2>need to say when I need to say it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I won't back down.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just there's a there's a posturing to that. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's cathartic too, but yes, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>choice to do it on that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised how little they talked about Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>But now it makes sense, but I was still surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she thanked him right off the top. And did

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<v Speaker 2>we hear his name again? We did, actually, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was googling it because I never I was listening for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember hearing her ever say his name again. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And no one really wrote anything about that, but it

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<v Speaker 2>definitely was notable.

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<v Speaker 1>She got it. She got everybody, all the dudes out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way. Thank you, husband, Doug, thank you, Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Tim, Tim Waltz. All right, let's get to

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala now. Yeah, then move right on. And I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand why I was still just with Joe Biden. That

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<v Speaker 1>was I guess I was anticipating her to say a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot more in that regard, but it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing, we watched a lot of coverage leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to her speed and it seemed like every few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>some reporter on the floor was asking somebody in the

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<v Speaker 1>audience about the much anticipated special guests that was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to come out last night. People were buzzing, was this

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<v Speaker 1>went nuts?

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<v Speaker 3>And it was all what was leading up to last night?

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<v Speaker 2>And then all through the night I was getting text

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<v Speaker 2>from someone who had a friend reporting and even they

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<v Speaker 2>from the convention floor in Chicago was saying that Beyonce

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting backstage and was about to come on stage.

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<v Speaker 3>That's high big.

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<v Speaker 2>The rumor had gotten that people reporters on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>were saying that Beyonce was in the wings, like was there?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was laughing when it never happened. And did

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<v Speaker 3>this all come about?

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<v Speaker 2>Because one someone on the Harris campaign tweeted something or

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<v Speaker 2>put a bee at the end of an ex a

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<v Speaker 2>tweet and everyone just inferred that meant that the beehive

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<v Speaker 2>Beyonce was going to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know there was before that. That was some

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous person on Twitter that something took off saying that

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<v Speaker 1>you thought was essentially saying you thought Oprah was big,

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<v Speaker 1>just way to coming next. How many people can you

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<v Speaker 1>count in the world that are going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger deal than Oprah? Maybe not a whole lot, maybe one,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two, but those two were talked about. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Taylor Swift, but the Beyonce one seemed real.

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<v Speaker 1>From what you're talking about. Was the White House political direction, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is directors a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>She claimed that her daughter got her phone and put

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<v Speaker 2>the bee emoji or I don't know there was the daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>I think actually that was pretty smart because people might

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<v Speaker 2>have just tuned in to see Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they were disappointed last night. The other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>finally was the final stamp on this is happening, TMZ

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<v Speaker 1>reported TMZ flat out came out and said Beyonce is

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<v Speaker 1>going to perform. They said she is in Chicago and

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<v Speaker 1>is going to perform at the DNC. Now credit to TMZ,

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<v Speaker 1>they have gained such a reputation when they say something,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it because they were how many deaths have

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<v Speaker 1>they broken? How many stories have they broken? And absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>right when nobody else had a clue. So congrats to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But they got this one wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think everyone did. I'm telling you, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually that was one of the biggest rumors that never happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of something recently where more people got

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Here you TMZ, and I quote Beyonce is in Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and getting ready to pop out for Kamala Harris on

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<v Speaker 1>the final night of the DNC. TMZ has learned yep,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple sources in the know tell us she'll be the

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<v Speaker 1>big surprise performer. They absolutely say that it's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>deal for Harris and the party. But as in Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>were told Chicago PD is on high alert and it's

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<v Speaker 1>involved in security for Beyonce at the United Center Arena.

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<v Speaker 1>They reported that to their credit robes and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>see this enough. Nine thirty pm last night, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>to quote the great Beyonce, we gotta lay our cards down, down, down,

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<v Speaker 1>down down. We got this one wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that is cool to see that, to read

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<v Speaker 2>that nobody doesn't nobody does that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Messed up, are bad Like TMZ is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most respected news sources out there now because at least

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<v Speaker 1>if they get it wrong, they'll come back and say so,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. I appreciate it as well. But this

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<v Speaker 1>thing took off. It's all folks were talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was. I was getting texts, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>from from people who I know who insisted she was backstage.

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<v Speaker 1>I see her now.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of what it seemed like to me. I was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wow, okay, this is happening. And it did not

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<v Speaker 2>and was not. But yeah, that kudos to TMZ for

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<v Speaker 2>for owning it and not even making an excuse about it,

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<v Speaker 2>just saying we got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That's as simple as that. We would have tried to places.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's why because of this, and it's not really my

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<v Speaker 2>fault because this person told me and then that, so

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 2>what was I supposed to do.

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 3>It's actually a nice.

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Reminder of the power of just saying I'm wrong or

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I was wrong and not saying anything else, just leaving

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<v Speaker 2>it at that. Politicians could learn from that moment.

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Teaching relationship lessons. Just own it. I'm sorry.

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>In marriages, relationships, politics, the rule applies everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Admit that you're wrong and move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Nailed it again. You give them credit, but to think

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<v Speaker 1>that we believe what TMZ says because they have been

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<v Speaker 1>right so often. And it didn't help that they said

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<v Speaker 1>that the they were like sound checks going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the convention center that was playing Beyonce's song Freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>Which which is the campaign song, campaign song, so it

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense too. I mean, that is the song that

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<v Speaker 2>has been playing, I believe one of when they were

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>asking about the rumors of whether or not Beyonce was

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<v Speaker 2>going to perform, one of the folks in Harris's campaign said, well,

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Beyonce has been on every night because the song has

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<v Speaker 2>been playing throughout the entire convention, and certainly she's been

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>a part of it, just she wasn't physically there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I've been This is only me, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some others, but you know how much I have been

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<v Speaker 1>into the old Drake and Kendrick back and for well, yes,

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>so to see the d I wasn't even thinking about it.

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So I'm watching DNC coverage and then I hear Kendrick

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<v Speaker 1>rapping in the arena, because he, of course is the

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>guest artist on that song Freedom, so to hear I'm

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>hearing his voice pipe through the DNC on that song,

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>and I'm waiting for him to say mother F the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Three. It's just big me like I'm waiting for

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>That's where my head was.

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<v Speaker 3>But that don't happen either.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you know what, I've never heard of it before,

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm still trying to pieces together what the hell

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>is a soy boy?

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 3>So I had to google it.

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<v Speaker 2>You asked me, and I said unclear, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>made a little more sense when I and apparently this

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>phrase has been around for a while. But look, I

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 2>only really know about this because I'm a breast cancer survivor,

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 2>and there was a big concern that at one point

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<v Speaker 2>that if you are a breast cancer survivor specifically, you

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<v Speaker 2>should avoid soy products because they can produce an estrogen

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>like I think it's a plant estrogen, but it mimics

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>human estrogen in the body. To be clear, it is

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>not a danger and it is okay for any breast

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>cancer patients or survivor to have soy But however, the

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 2>implication is that there's estrogen involved. So when you call

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<v Speaker 2>someone a soy boy, you're saying they're feminine or a

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<v Speaker 2>base or less masculine.

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Maybe at the very least.

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<v Speaker 1>I had, I had no idea. So trending last night

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<v Speaker 1>was this thing? What was it?

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Home Ago oh tee, soy boy, so low teston Lowton testerone,

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 3>soy boy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has come about now because there's been this

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<v Speaker 1>whole talk this week about the Democratic Party of what

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>we've been seeing being too feminine, a lack of masculinity.

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>And I guess Dana Bash from CNN kind of set

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<v Speaker 1>all of this off in kind of describing the type

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>of men who would be supportive of Democrats or of

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris versus the type of men who would be

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>supportive of Donald Trump.

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she said, they're talking about the DNC. They're they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing so trying to put forward male figures, Tim Waltz

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>being one of them. Doug m Hoff, who of course

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 2>is Kamala Harris's husband, who can speak to men out

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<v Speaker 2>there who might not be the sort of testosterone laden,

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>gun toting kind of guy who wants to listen to

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan and the kind of players that came out

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of the RNC. Hulk Hogan, we all remember just a

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago at the RNC was up there and

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<v Speaker 2>in classic Hall Cogan fashion, ripped off his shirt. So

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, she was comparing that to what we're seeing

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 2>the men. And so what I actually thought was pretty

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>funny was that one of the commentators on Fox said,

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 2>she literally said that Tim Waltz appeals to low te

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>beta males. What is funny is that both Democrats and

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Republicans will cheer for this for completely opposite reasons. And

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that actually is just so true.

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And what are we doing?

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why do we want to pigeonhole any man

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>or any group of men for one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>We are trying to, on two sides define what masculine

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<v Speaker 1>is or should be. But the is it not all

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of those things? Is there not one? I have to

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>be this rough and gruff dude, who does like this sport?

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Who does like this type of beer? Who does have

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>a gun? Who?

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Why? And I've seen guys in Central Park with matching

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>jogging suits pushing a double stroller. That's masculinity too, like

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>it all? Why are we saying it has to be this.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Or that, And I actually hope that this wasn't any

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>sort of implication, but it is frustrating, I will say,

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>to imply even that you need to be a beta

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 2>male or a low tea mail to be willing to

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>vote for a woman as president. And I think that

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 2>was part of it. And I don't that's something that

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I think everyone should be offended by.

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>But it's going to be effective, is it not. And

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>certainly in some parts of the country she has been

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>talked about you plenty already folks that she does not

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>do well with men, or she needs to certainly do

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>better with men.

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 3>So now I don't know this helps, right, I mean,

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 3>if that's like the mantra that oh you know.

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>And also this is this concept of being like, you know,

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the intellectual elite and you know, just subdued, like not

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>that not the alpha male who's out there you know,

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>on his ATV, in his camo. You know that that

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 2>all of those things can be true about one person.

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>It's just frustrating to any time we're trying to stereotype.

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>What also, what defines gender, what defines masculinity, what defines femininity?

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>It I just this is a dangerous place to go

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.239
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to politics, especially when you have a

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>woman running for president.

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And I seem to end, Look, this was the party

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>is now in the hands of a woman, of a

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>black woman, and you know what's that That's gonna take

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>probably some people a little while to get comfortable with,

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and some people might not ever embrace that and ever

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<v Speaker 1>want to support that or even give give it a chance.

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And certainly doesn't help when that party and that person

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>is telling you you, some estrogen filled dude, if you're

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>over here, then a lot of guys are going to say, well,

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>hell yeah, I'm solidly over here. They got to double

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>down on the masculinity on the other side. I just hey,

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>black folks like this, and a lot of groups to

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>be like, why are you trying to We can be this,

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>We can be that. Being black does not mean we

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>have this one particular black experience. It's a lot of things.

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And now we're doing this with men. It was talked

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>about a lot because we end Carvill's old comments James Carvill,

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>what was it the what is a preachy women? They said?

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>The party, he said, the party is appears now like

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of preachy women telling folks what to do,

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>or that it was an over feminization, something along those

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>lines is what he did say. Those comments came back up,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hey, I just don't want to have what we

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 1>talk about race politics, We talk about how we split

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>each other so often.

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Now it's gender.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Now it's gender and sub gender.

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 3>You're right within the gender. What kind of man are you?

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's it. That's the line. What kind of man

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>are you? And that will determine who you vote for.

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I don't think this is going away. Oh it's

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>because especially yeah, especially if if the problem for Kamala

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Harris is male voters. Oh, this is this is going

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 2>to get even bigger and unclear.

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Of man are you? Where do you? Where do I

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>fall on that spectrum of masculinity?

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>You know what, It's cool because I actually think you

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 2>are like a classic example of being both. I mean,

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>watching you with Sabine and being a girl dad, I

0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>see so many endearing qualities that aren't you know, you know,

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.719
<v Speaker 2>gruff and tough, but they're kind and soft and gentle,

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>and I think I love that men can be all

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>those things. And of course you're extremely masculine in a

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>million other ways. So it's yeah. I mean, I just

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's crazy you have camel pants on right now

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 2>as I'm looking at you, But that that's just this,

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just a silly I won't but you do have

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>camel pants on right now. Yeah, you embody so much

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 2>of what you know that masculinity.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Is, but also there's femininely.

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>We all have all like I'm not I'm not you know,

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a girly girl or you know it's I just think

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>that's so silly when we start pointing fingers like that

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>and trying to dissect people, and especially in this era

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>we're in where gender, we've got non binary, we've got like,

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>let's like, can we please get off this now? I mean,

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>this is taking it to a whole other level.

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Can you just be I'm a man and she's a woman,

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and some people are both and some people whatever, and

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of it's okay, Now I have to Now

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I have to fill out the application further, I can't

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>just click mail.

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Are you a soy boy.

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Boy?

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Are you a testoster? And Ron Leaden Man, Maybe it's

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>just I don't even know. I don't even know where

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>we're going with this.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>That'll be talked about, but it was a hell of

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>a night for her. And it's the incredible part is

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that kamal Aires, now, after we saw last night obviously

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a celebration, there was history there, there was a lot happening.

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>But she not too long ago, was one of the

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>most unpopular vice presidents we have ever no excuse me,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>in history. She has pulled lower than Dick Cheney in

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>terms of popularity. And at the end of last year

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>she was around thirty five thirty six percent approval. That

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>is wildly low, just at the end of last year.

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And to think now it's turned around to this point

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't want him so much that they went

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about kicking her off the ticket because

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>she would drag the ticket down because of her low

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>approval approval rating. That was eight nine months ago, and

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>here we are. This is all incredible. You never know,

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>she said it at some point and Robes you and

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I could talk about there's plenty you do not know

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>what your journey is going to be to get you

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to where you're supposed to be. It might not look

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>like you want it, it might not be traditional. Look

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 1>at all that had to happen for her to get

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to where she is embrace the moment, and she did. Yeah.

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 2>She actually said throughout her campaigns for attorney general, etc.

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>That she was always.

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Always underconsidered and people didn't expect her to do as

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 2>well as she did. And you know, that's not always

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>a bad position to be in. When people don't expect

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>much from you, you can wow them.

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's what she did last night for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, she's like, I've always been underestimated and

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<v Speaker 2>look at us now, and I think they did a

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<v Speaker 2>really good job I hate to say this of humanizing her,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, we saw that happening at the RNC

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump and his family members coming up and having

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<v Speaker 2>very impressive children and grandchildren. So you're like, okay, you

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<v Speaker 2>know I mean, and you just see them as humans.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't see them just as these politicians who were

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<v Speaker 2>rattling off talking points, but you actually see the human

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<v Speaker 2>side of them. They did a really good job of

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<v Speaker 2>that last night as well with Kamala Harris. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I will say this after watching this speech

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<v Speaker 2>her speech last night, we watched Trump's speech, was it

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<v Speaker 2>was a long, long night. We watched Trump's speech as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought he did a very good job I

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<v Speaker 2>was very impressed with his speech as well. So I

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<v Speaker 2>am very much looking forward to September tenth, how about you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's everything. September tenth has to be. The election is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be decided that day, quite possibly. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>we always talk about inn October surprise. We've seen it plenty.

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<v Speaker 1>There's plenty that's going to happen. She's going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a bump after this, all the polling. I'm looking as

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking and just all glowing news alerts. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be getting this more about how great she

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<v Speaker 1>did and how wonderful it was and contrasting Trump, and

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<v Speaker 1>she is about to get a pretty decent bump. What

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<v Speaker 1>do they say, three to five point something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that happens almost with every convention. And the

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<v Speaker 2>question is how long will it last? Will it last

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<v Speaker 2>seventy days? Most certainly not.

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<v Speaker 1>All this stuff's coming and just it's what it goes,

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<v Speaker 1>these things, evan flow. So she's having her moment, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's good that she had it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here we go September tenth. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>know what we're doing that night, as will the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the country. And I do think what you said

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<v Speaker 2>is true and especially think about it. That debate ended

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's presidential run, It ended his political career, and

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<v Speaker 2>those debates matter and they mean something. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>especially now when people a lot of people are undecided,

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<v Speaker 2>and that debate will most likely be the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>people vote for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>So, folks, we always appreciate you hanging with us, listening

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<v Speaker 1>for a bit. Found us on our official show page

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, at Amy and TJ Podcast. But for now

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<v Speaker 1>history made. They were expecting two black women last night,

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<v Speaker 1>only one showed up. Sorry, behive