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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you. David Edwards served as a special agent in

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Speaker 1: the US Army in the nineteen eighties and nineties and

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Speaker 1: as a veteran of multiple overseas combat tours. Thank you, David.

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Speaker 1: He was the special Agent in charge of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety Panama Canal counter Terrorism Threat Assessment Report to the

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Speaker 1: US Congress. He is a graduate of the United States

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Speaker 1: Army Intelligence School, where he studied Advanced Human Intelligence and

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Speaker 1: Battlefield counter Intelligence, also completing training in Jungle Operations Training

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Speaker 1: Center in Panama, Central America. David, welcome and thank you

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Speaker 1: for serving. David, Well, thank you very much, and it's

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Speaker 1: a thrill to be here. Look, I've wanted to say this,

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Speaker 1: long time listener, first time guests, perfect, perfect, Well, let's

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Speaker 1: make you a long time guest. Deal. How did you

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Speaker 1: get interested in Atlantis? Well, I've always been interested in Atlantis,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a geek. I'm a nerd, so you know,

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Speaker 1: growing up, I grew up in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 1: and just like everyone else, I read the books. I

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Speaker 1: read you know, Eric Vandanigan Fring Friends of the Gods,

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Speaker 1: and I watched all the TV shows and then Atlantis

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Speaker 1: kind of faded away. And about a year ago I

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Speaker 1: had listened to all the coast to coast ams that

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Speaker 1: I could. I of course had my subscription and I

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Speaker 1: listened to the past shows, but I was kind of

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Speaker 1: out of content. So I was flipping around on YouTube

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Speaker 1: and there's a channel called Bright Insight with this guy

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Corsetti, and in twenty eighteen he claimed that this

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Speaker 1: place in West Africa called the Rishat Structure. He thought

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Speaker 1: it looked a lot like Atlantis, and I was intrigued

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Speaker 1: by it, so I decided to independently verify it, which

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Speaker 1: kind of resulted in the book Is it a landmass

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Speaker 1: in West Africa or is it an island? What might

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Speaker 1: it be? Well, so it looks like it's a volcanic dome,

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Speaker 1: but it looks like Atlantis. So when you look at it,

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Speaker 1: and it's in a country called Mauritania, and it looks

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Speaker 1: the rings of alternating rings and land and water. And

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Speaker 1: at the time period they were talking about with Atlantis,

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Speaker 1: which we can get into. It would have been, you know,

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Speaker 1: a very wet environment. And it matches if you read

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Speaker 1: Plato literally as a primary source. Uh, you know, it

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Speaker 1: matches a lot. Um well, matches specifically just that everything

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Speaker 1: he said, Um, now we have some challenges with Atlantis

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Speaker 1: because you know, we've all heard everything, which which is

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Speaker 1: a challenge for us. Atlanti has kind of been being

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Speaker 1: to death. So um, it's it's hard sometimes to kind

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Speaker 1: of push all what I call the secondary sources aside.

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Speaker 1: The secondary sources would be people like you and me

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Speaker 1: who are smart and who've read Plato U U and

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Speaker 1: have an opinion about it. But but Plato is our

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Speaker 1: primary source for Atlantis. So it really he had to

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Speaker 1: we had to go back and start there, and that's

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Speaker 1: where the book starts and why so many people thought

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Speaker 1: Plato was out there in the Atlantic Ocean because of

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Speaker 1: the name Atlantis. Now so he well, um, so there's

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Speaker 1: world where I think people think they hear that word,

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Speaker 1: His book is called Atlantis Solved. How did you come

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