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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we feel like we are

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Speaker 1: awakening from a deep slumber. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in

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Speaker 1: Tokyo for one show and so excited to see the

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Speaker 1: smiling face of Jordan Rodrieg still with the athletic congratulations

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Speaker 1: all the way across the Pacific Ocean. Welcome Jordan, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Greg.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's great to see you. I feel

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Speaker 2: like in football time. It's been years since I've seen

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Speaker 2: you like. You look the same, you sound the same.

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Speaker 2: Your backdrop is shockingly amazing. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, anyone who wants to check us out on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: you will have to see the horrible fake backdrop that

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Speaker 1: I have because I can't show you this room here

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Speaker 1: in Tokyo. So yeah, it does feel like a while,

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Speaker 1: although if you've been listening to NFL Daily, we've had

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Speaker 1: plenty of content in your feed. Thank you to everyone

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Speaker 1: who argued with me about the top twenty five players

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Speaker 1: of the last twenty five years, but especially then get

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Speaker 1: everyone who helped. That was really fun to do and

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Speaker 1: we're excited to get back to our regular schedule and

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Speaker 1: this week is still a little different. We're going to

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Speaker 1: do some news today Jordan, and it feels like it's

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Speaker 1: been a while, but really it's just been a two

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Speaker 1: on the news, and then on Friday, I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: a show that you're going to do with one of

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Speaker 1: the i think the longest tenured player in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: where you're going to talk about training camp myths. That's

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Speaker 1: on Friday, and then on Monday, NFL Daily gets the

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Speaker 1: Where we are right now in terms of teams reporting,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers are reporting today Wednesday, six teams, rookies reported

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, the Lions are reporting over the weekend, and

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Speaker 1: then the vast majority of the NFL reports training camp

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Speaker 1: next Tuesday. So that is what has coming up, Jordan.

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Speaker 1: What has happened while I've been just hanging out in Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to at some point. It's been fun to

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Speaker 1: see Andrew Siciliano and Maurice Jones drew over here. It's

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Speaker 1: been weirdly NFL related. But why don't we just jump

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Speaker 1: into the news and life will probably pop up at

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Speaker 1: as we're talking, and the Jets gave us a little news,

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Speaker 1: last couple of days. Let's start with Sauce Gardner, because

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Speaker 1: that came down on Tuesday in the States. I'm already

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Speaker 1: over here on Wednesday, and yeah, a year longer than

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Speaker 1: Derek Stingley's contract, but similar in terms of the average

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts and we can kind of combine, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt just like paperwork that one of these

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Speaker 2: we talked on one of our beloved See You Next

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Speaker 2: Tuesday shows about how there was just this really good

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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn being such a huge part of that, but

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Speaker 2: Darren Moogie also quietly and I think very much behind

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Speaker 2: has felt like the culmination of a really positive and

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Speaker 2: like functional off season by the New York Jets. You know,

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Speaker 2: getting their stars re signed extended. This is only the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're going Muji over Moogie with Darren Yeahogie.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which, you know that is my go to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the point five little clicker, that's the number one

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Speaker 2: I know, I love that. I love that as a

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Speaker 2: Having these guys being very open about their own intent

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's get it twisted, like since he entered

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Speaker 1: And that's great that that they got in at that level.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the total deal, it's six

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Speaker 1: just like they have them locked in for six years,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting to me to get that average above Stingley's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and when you say better better for the player,

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Speaker 2: obviously Stingley's is better for him as a player. But

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Speaker 2: But whenever I look at one of these, I think, okay,

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Speaker 2: how long until they open that thing back up again?

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Speaker 2: You know, you see it with quarterback contracts, with with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be two or three years if these Jets

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Speaker 1: Chiefs keep spending on their offensive line. That seems like

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Speaker 2: He was a pro bowler. I think some of what

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Speaker 1: You can't spend everywhere. The Chiefs have been excellent at

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Speaker 1: making decisions, but man, they spend on the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: like the resources everyone you just went through, like Juwan

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Speaker 1: Taylor's been a disappointment. He's making a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Moore was could be a good bargain, But they're

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Speaker 1: played that much. Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith, they're at

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Speaker 1: the very top. Now, you know the Pace Life and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be a process with this, especially

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Speaker 1: We're going to clear the decks today, Jordan, And that

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Speaker 2: just I love the idea that these two are teammates

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Speaker 2: to make sure that he's going to be consistent and

433
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Speaker 2: like stay with the team. For example, well, someone did

434
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: not surprise you.

435
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: He was retired. He was making the worst music video

436
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: I've ever seen.

437
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: Because because I've talked to Frank Smith about him and

438
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: their bond, I'm their bond is like a really special thing.

439
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 2: They Frank really helped Darren through a lot of some

440
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: of the worst parts of his life. And like, if

441
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: you need somebody and you're gonna call someone anyone off

442
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: the street, yeah, you're gonna look for the coaching connections there.

443
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 2: So I mean, no, it's not like we were gonna

444
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: mad libit out of nowhere. But seeing it, I was like, oh, yeah,

445
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: Frank's over there, so that makes a lot of sense.

446
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: And he's he is very cheap. We don't know what

447
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: the contract is, but it said up to five. Usually

448
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: up to is doing a lot of work, so yeah.

449
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: And he's not gonna take away from any other types

450
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: of like micro rebuilds that you need to do at

451
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: the position too, Like you got a guy in the spot,

452
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: but you're probably not going to stop there, right, And

453
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: so now you're not having somebody who's going to just

454
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Speaker 2: sort of take away from whatever else you decide to

455
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Speaker 2: do next.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they signed a guy, Ferrol Brown, who's been like

457
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: a blocking specialist that was on the Patriots a year ago.

458
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, Darren Waller's only thirty two years old. For

459
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: some reason, I thought he was older. He did have

460
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. He is extremely athletic and even

461
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: with the Giants like produce some. So the Dolphins are

462
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: funny because every Dolphins move in isolation always kind of

463
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, and a lot of them actually

464
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: have worked out pretty well. But they're very much run

465
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: like a like a fantasy football roster, where like how

466
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: everything matches together doesn't seem to matter, and like one

467
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: year to the next doesn't seem to matter, and that

468
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: they're generally less than the some of their parts. I

469
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: mean they're taking shots. I don't know if you saw

470
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: a Sante Samuel, I guess you call them senior now

471
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: talking about the Dolphins, I mean ASANTI Sanamuel Junior was

472
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: thinking about signing there. But basically a Sante Samuel the

473
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: former Patriot like called Mike McDaniel and Chris Greer like weak,

474
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Speaker 1: like that they can't handle their players, that they don't

475
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: know what they're doing them, just like man.

476
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: Big, it's a it is a big and probably very

477
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: pivotal year for everybody in the Dolphins building, I would

478
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: say that.

479
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: Right, And like it's similar when you trade you trade

480
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: away Jalen Ramsey who didn't want to be there and

481
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: then I see a headline over the last couple of

482
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: weeks where it was like cater Kohu knows he needs

483
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: to step up as the leader of the cornerback room,

484
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: and cater co is a nice story, like an undrafted

485
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: guy who's a good nickelback, but he's your best cornerback.

486
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: And then you're asking Minka fitzpatrick uh to kind of

487
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: solve all these other problems. We'll we'll see if he's

488
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: able to do that.

489
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm curious about when you are so blatantly

490
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: and they have been for the past couple of years,

491
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: like when they had their speed identity, that was you

492
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: could very much tell they had speed and timing offense

493
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: with Tua when Tua was healthy, with Tyreek and Jalen

494
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: and like they could they didn't run the ball enough

495
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: in the winter, but they could run the ball. They

496
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: had a creative attack. It's interesting when you see the

497
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: deviation from that to now. It's like this mishmash of

498
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: different thoughts, different models of team build, different strategies, different

499
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: and some of its injuries with the quarterback, sure, but

500
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: factoring that aside, it just doesn't feel like this is

501
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: a coach in a front office that's on the same

502
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: page with one another. Like it feels like each one

503
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: of them has an idea of what they want the

504
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: team to be, and they like are in separate offices,

505
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: and like that's it. Like I just I'm not that's

506
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: not me reporting anything. It just what it looks like

507
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: on paper is like they just don't seem to be

508
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: rowing in the same direction, you know.

509
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: And ownership is doing some stuff over here, like it's.

510
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: A lot of it was a pet on his yacht,

511
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: you know, like in terms of you know, veteran players

512
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: coming out of retirement.

513
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Speaker 1: Here here was the quote, by the way, by a

514
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: Sante Samuel shout out to him, like if you look

515
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: at the interception leaders of the twenty first century, which

516
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: is something that I did while doing my research, a

517
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Speaker 1: Sante Samuel Senior, I think he's at the top, Like,

518
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's a playmaker. Forget all the He wasn't

519
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: gonna make my list or anything, but he was on

520
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: the top. He said about the Dolphins, the reason they

521
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: didn't they have to get rid of Jalen Ramsey is

522
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: because they were too sensitive. They're sensitive. There's no leadership.

523
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel is a pushover Chris Greer. The GM has

524
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: no backbone. They're running this team like a little league team.

525
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 1: That's fire. I love it. We need we need more

526
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: analysts that'll just go off like that. Eric Roberts, lets

527
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: us know some of the trade targets that hit from

528
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: me and Bill at the beginning of the off season.

529
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: Of course, George Pickens, that was a good one. Deebo Samuel,

530
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: that was a good one somehow Bill pointed out Joe Tooney.

531
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: No one saw that coming. I mean that was that

532
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: was a home run. Minka Fitzpatrick was a fun one.

533
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: You know. DeVante Adams didn't get traded, but that was close.

534
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf we got and then Bryce Uff was like

535
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: a smaller one that we hit. So we're definitely doing

536
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: that episode next year. You mentioned TJ. Watt. Yes, that's your.

537
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 2: Question for you before we get to that. So when

538
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: you were going for your twenty five of the last

539
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: twenty five years, were you when you were like in

540
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: Pro Football Reference looking at you know, different filters of

541
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: like ages and stuff. What was going through your head

542
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: when you came across players who, like you, almost had

543
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: almost forgotten about or if you had and you're like, oh, yeah,

544
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: that guy, and then you realize they're like the same

545
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: age as you. Like, what was going through your mind

546
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: when you had those little moments?

547
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: Are you trying to call me old? Like? I'm aware

548
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, that's why I embraced this challenge

549
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: because I started covering the NFL full time in three

550
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: so I was like, this is it. Yeah, like this

551
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: guy is a.

552
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: Greg decade, this is the Grig sent done.

553
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine, forties underrated. I definitely had multiple moments,

554
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's what you're looking for in

555
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: your summer break where I was like, took a step

556
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: back and I was like, these are the good old days.

557
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: They're happening right now, like a year ago at this time.

558
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, Emmica's not totally healthy. Who knows what's gonna

559
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: happen with the future of the show, And so I've

560
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: always liked getting older. At some point, I think that's

561
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna end, but I don't think I'm there yet. That's

562
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: my serious answer to your goofy question.

563
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: And you know what, this is all I wanted. I

564
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: finally baited you, and you finally took the bait I

565
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: wanted Ernest Greg. I'm like, just give him a rest,

566
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: give him a break, two weeks with his family, you know,

567
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: soaking up the good vibes, you know, getting some sleep,

568
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: not working. I'm gonna get Ernest Greg. I'm gonna get him.

569
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: All season long. It's Ernest Greg. All right, let's take

570
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be back and talk. Teach a

571
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: wow you mentioned back on NFL Daily. I can't wait

572
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: to get back to the West side of Los Angeles

573
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: when the weather's perfect. It's not like the ninety five

574
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: degrees every day and humid like it is over here.

575
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it is the one downside of coming here

576
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: every summer. I do love Tokyo, but it's like you're

577
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: missing California. I feel at the very best time. But

578
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: that is some high class problems to be complaining about.

579
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, TJ Watt TJ Watt on the trade block.

580
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: At least that's like the reporting, what did you make

581
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: of Like there's been back and forth over the last

582
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, the latest one being Mark Cooboli, who

583
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: covers them for Pat mcavie's show and has covered that

584
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: team for decades at this point, and saying that the

585
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Steelers have been quietly gauging TJ. Watt's trade value.

586
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like a lot of posturing to me.

587
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: I mean, if this drags into camp, also fine, because

588
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: it's TJ Watt. And so why not give them some

589
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: time off, some snaps off, you know, delay the wear

590
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: and tear into when you actually need him. I think

591
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: I would be surpri kind of just watching him for

592
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: as long as we have, and then that whole family,

593
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: the competitiveness of that entire family, Like, yes, obviously, get

594
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: what you are owed if you're a player, I am

595
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: always on team, get what you are owed. But also

596
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: this team has made it clear with all of their

597
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: off season moves that they're operating on a one year

598
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: mindset right now, right, And so I think that if

599
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: you're TJ. Watt and you're like, Okay, if they're really

600
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: as all in on actually making a run or trying

601
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: to this year or breaking past this like middle ground

602
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: that they've constantly been stuck in for so long, then okay,

603
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: you can maybe rejoin camp when you are ready, after

604
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: some time of making a statement about you know why

605
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: you're not there, and really give it everything you've got

606
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: to try to help this team get to the next

607
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 2: level and hopefully the level after that, because you have

608
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: to look at this team now, everything they've done. You

609
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: have to basically wipe out all of this multi year conversation,

610
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 2: even with the Metcalf stuff. You know, the year's left,

611
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: you have to wipe all of it out because you're

612
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: looking at a one year team build. Now, this is

613
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: what it is. You've gotten all in quote unquote, first

614
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: of all, trying to go for quarterbacks of high status

615
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: and being interested in a possible Matthew Stafford situation, getting

616
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers thinking that he's got what it takes,

617
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: got what's left in the tank, to really try to

618
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: go out first of all the right way for him,

619
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: but then also to push this team going after the

620
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: superstar receiver, going after the superstar corner. I really think that, like,

621
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: you have to throw out everything about the twenty twenty

622
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: six onward of this roster and look at what they're

623
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: doing right now because clearly that's where they're going to operate.

624
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: So you revisit the conversation. I think if you're TJ want,

625
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: you don't get to get what you want this year.

626
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody needs to go be as

627
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: dramatic as to go for the full trade. Now, if

628
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: you go for a teardown after this season, sure, maybe

629
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: then you get curious about trade conversations. But for now,

630
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: I think it's all posturing.

631
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: Right because when Koboli says that the second you know

632
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: they'd have to consider a second round pick eventually, he

633
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: almost made it sound like one was on the table.

634
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Who knows, dude, would you because that second round pick

635
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: is going to be the same in March as it

636
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: is now. You don't get to use it in between,

637
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: so I that seems crazy to me. The downside for TJ.

638
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: Watt is he's coming off easily like the worst half

639
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: of a season that he's ever had, where he did

640
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: not look his best. I mean, he's a guy who

641
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: made that top twenty five players the last twenty five years,

642
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: probably the most surprising to me that I ended up

643
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: putting him on. But then when I looked at the

644
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: resume at a at a hard time, Steelers fans louder

645
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: than any other fan base about any choice, got some

646
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: coverage that Troy Palomalo did not make the list and

647
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: that that was a tough omission, that was a tough emission.

648
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: There were a lot of tough emissions. The one I

649
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: actually regret the most was the guy you covered was

650
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: von Miller. That was the only one where I was like,

651
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: if I had to do it, and I think I

652
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: would find a way to somehow get von Miller. But man,

653
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: it was tough to take any of those guys off.

654
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you about Bobby Wagner, like what was

655
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: your thought process with him as well?

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in the top forty certainly. I mean

657
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: when you look at like twenty six to forty, it's

658
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: crazy if you were just going off all pros. He's

659
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: very close to right there. His very peak was special,

660
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: But I think his very peak to me just wasn't

661
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: as long as certainly the keek Ley or Ray Lewis

662
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: who made it as his position and was too maybe

663
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: similar to Fred Warner was probably the other one I

664
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: even just thought a little bit about. But he was

665
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Wagner because of his longevity, like had to be considered.

666
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: He was in the mix.

667
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: Well, I love the series. I was driving listening to

668
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: most of it throughout my small travels through this break

669
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Speaker 2: and like I loved it. When Kevin Harlan was on talking.

670
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: First of all, I could hear you smiling the whole

671
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: time I was listening. I wasn't watching. I could literally

672
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: hear you grinning like an eight year old the entire

673
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: time you're talking to him. And he was so nice

674
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: and he gave you it was so cool. He gave

675
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: you so many compliments, like subtly through the course of

676
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: that interview. I don't know if you've listened to it back,

677
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: but it's so great. And then like him talking about

678
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: like Aaron Donald for example, right, like just about the

679
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: work ethic and the sustained excellence and the small details

680
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: that most people don't see when they're thinking about greatness

681
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: or legends and they're only looking at SATs. I love

682
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: that you guys considered so many of those extra details

683
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: for every player, not just for him. And I have

684
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: to say selfishly too, I went through and I looked

685
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: at your finished list, and I'm you know, I'm going

686
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: through a big transition here, work, life, all of that stuff,

687
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, I got to cover

688
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: so many of these guys, like I got to watch

689
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: them practice every day, Like I got to watch them

690
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: go to work and achieve these levels of greatness in

691
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: this like maniacal disposition and way that it's very hard

692
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: to explain to people who don't get to see it

693
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: up close. And like every single one of those guys

694
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: like Julius Pepper's, Luke Keigley, Aaron Donald, like those guys.

695
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: I just it was cool. Von Miller, like, I mean,

696
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: you didn't have it on, but it was just it

697
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: was so cool to hear this conversation and like it

698
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: made me feel very grateful to be honest, that we're

699
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: living in a time with this kind of excellence. And

700
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: I know I sounded like Kevin Kevin Harlan, which is

701
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: also what I loved that it was so grateful to

702
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: like be experiencing all of it. It just it made

703
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: me happy the whole thing. I loved it.

704
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: Well, we got we got Ernest Jordan back in the house.

705
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I know, she's kind of always in.

706
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: The house, she is, I know, she never left.

707
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: No, you've you've already over indexed in like covering all

708
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: time greats like some of these teams did, like like

709
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Panthers and Browns weirdly over index considering they haven't won

710
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: that that much in these great great players mentioned you know,

711
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Steelers. Everything's about this year, and yet

712
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: they are a team that like never makes any changes.

713
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: Omar Khan, their GM, was signed through twenty twenty eight

714
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: to an extension. Mike Tomlin's not going anywhere, like stop

715
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: stop talking about unless for whatever reason, he wanted to

716
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, but he's just shown no reason to

717
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: think that's the case. Ryan Poles, the Bears GM that

718
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: was a little more curious, got an extension to match

719
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's one through twenty twenty nine. Normally I would say, like,

720
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: these contracts don't mean that much, but because you can

721
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: always just rip it up. But the Bears don't always

722
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: have a history of ripping up. I guess they have

723
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: with coaches lately, less so with GM. So man Ryan

724
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: pulls through twenty nine and Omar Khan through twenty eight.

725
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: It's fine.

726
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the timing of that, I don't know.

727
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: It feels like it's felt quietly like this. You know,

728
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Ryan Poles went out and obviously got the quarterback that

729
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: they think will be the next great star in Chicago.

730
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: He went out got the head coach that everybody else

731
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: wanted for multiple coaching cycles. I think that's to his credit.

732
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: There's also been, you know, issues with personnel selection, especially

733
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: upfront with the last iteration of this offensive line. There's

734
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: been issues with coaching and assistant coaching selection, maybe letting

735
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: that previous regime have too much say over who their

736
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: assistants were that they brought in. To me, this feels

737
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: like a Ben Johnson's statement almost. It's like, you're here

738
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: with Ben Johnson as long as Ben Johnson wants to

739
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: work with you. If Ben Johnson can in fact be

740
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: the coach that they think he is. It's a very

741
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting dynamic the way that these coaching

742
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: and GM timelines constantly like EBB and flow across each

743
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: other in terms of who is really in control and

744
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: who has the power at any given moment. So them

745
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: being aligne like this we're gonna see over the next

746
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: couple of years, and I'm interested in that.

747
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben Ben Johnson's in control reminds me a little

748
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: bit of the less Need Sean McVay timeline with Matt

749
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: Eberfuss playing the role of Jeff Fisher in this situation.

750
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's on Polls to make it work with

751
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: his coach because the coach is the important guy. Now

752
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: let's go to something. Terry McLaurin said this week he

753
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: seems at this point likely to not be at training

754
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: camp when it opens for the commanders next week.

755
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been pretty frustrated. I'm not gonna lie. You know,

756
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: everything that has transpired up to this point is has

757
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: been disappointing and frustrating. You know, I wanted to continue

758
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: my career here. I've created my life here. You know,

759
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: my wife and I have bought our first home here.

760
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: So this has been somewhere where I've always wanted to be.

761
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: That is courtesy a JP Finley at NBC there in Washington.

762
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: So that's one that we'll probably be hearing a little

763
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: more from, I think in the next couple of weeks

764
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: in terms of him maybe either holding in or something

765
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: going on. We will see what happens with Terry McLaurin.

766
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: So bad news in the NFC two over the last

767
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: couple of weeks that Tristan Wurf's the all pro cut surgery.

768
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: That was surprised. He was supposed to be back for

769
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: the start of training camp, but his need didn't respond

770
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: as they expected, and he's probably gonna miss the start

771
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: of the season, according to Rick Stroud of the Saint

772
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: Petersburg Times, so he might actually miss the first four

773
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: or five games of the season. All yeah, left tackle.

774
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: And I'm going to really be rude to you because

775
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: you've been on the other side of the world, But

776
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: do you know who will be replacing him? Greg? Without

777
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: googling it for at least the first couple weeks of

778
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: the season.

779
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: His name is very familiar to me. Charlie Heck. I think, yes,

780
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: something like that.

781
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: You got it, Yes, Charlie Heck. Yeah, the swing tackle.

782
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: He's been a little bit of a journeyman recently, former

783
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: fourth round pick. But I was texting some people over

784
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: there and they were really impressed with like, because it

785
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: kind of came as a surprise, it seems like to

786
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people, and unfortunate obviously we're so high

787
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: on the Bucks offensive line. There's so well built. They're

788
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: really really well coached as well, and like apparently Charlie

789
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Heck has come in and just been like, yeah, you

790
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to do my best and I'm

791
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: going to be a pro and I'm going to fit

792
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: in with the guys. Even though they've all been a

793
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: collective longer than I've been here, and I just I

794
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: think that at least building that continuity as early as

795
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: possible into training camp and him staying healthy is going

796
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: to be really important.

797
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are a team that I think is built

798
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: from the offensive line out and Tristan Wurf's If you're

799
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: doing a draft of offensive linemen right now in the

800
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: NFL and you have all the GMS involved in it,

801
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance. I think Worfs gets taken

802
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: first over all the most amount of times that he's

803
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: that good, He's that valuable, so that that's a big

804
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: loss for them and what I'm expecting to be a

805
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: great offensive season. But it's not like he's going to

806
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: be out for the whole season.

807
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: Huge blow to my Bucks believership. You know, I believe,

808
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: I still believe. I think it'll be fine, But you know,

809
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: I am high on the Bucks this year. Shout out

810
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: to Kevin Clark, who made the most shocked an incredible

811
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: facial expression I think I've ever seen from another human

812
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: when I said the Bucks were Super Bowl contenders this

813
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: year in the Championship tire So.

814
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, come on, great guy, I mean, he's selling

815
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: you there. I love it. I love it, but they

816
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: are I agree with you. That's the expression I'm giving you.

817
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: So there, Kevin, I have home court advantage on this show.

818
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: You know what one other item that that did make

819
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: it all the way over here. I was at lunch

820
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: with Maurice Jones, Drew and his beautiful family, all his

821
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: kids there. He texts me like a couple of days

822
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: before he gets to Tokyo's like, hey, you in Tokyo.

823
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm like yeah, He's like, hey, we should hang out.

824
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to be there for a couple of days.

825
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: So we went to there's like a restaurant here where

826
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: you can I mean it's kind of ridiculous, but you can.

827
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Inside the restaurant. They actually make you know, little fake rivers,

828
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: and you fish while you're in the restaurant, and then

829
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: you eat the fish that you catch, and you better

830
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: be ready to eat it because some of those fish

831
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: are way more expensive than the others, and the second

832
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: you catch it, like you got to eat it. So

833
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: don't catch too many fish like we did, because you

834
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: know you're paying for all those fish. But he is

835
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: the one that told me, Maurice, uh that Nase Harris

836
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: was in a fireworks accident. And this was four or

837
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: five days before it came out in the news. And

838
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: I think that was a common thing in NFL circles

839
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: because people talk to people, and I think there was

840
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: an initial word that it was maybe really bad, but

841
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: at least according to our guy Ian Rappaport, it's something

842
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: that will not prevent him from starting the regular season,

843
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: even if he misses the start of training camp. But

844
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: it was a fireworks accident where he took an eye injury,

845
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: which is just, oh.

846
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: That's so scary to me. I don't do fireworks. I

847
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: don't f with them. I don't like them. I think

848
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: they're stupid. I mean, this is my this is my

849
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: hot take, Like they scare the crap out of my dog.

850
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: They seriously injure people. It's they're often not worth it,

851
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: in my opinion, to go and sit in traffic and

852
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: then go sit in you know, amongst everybody else's conversation

853
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: and cigarette smoke and go watch them like, no, not for.

854
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: Me, not I hot take. Yeah, I don't want to

855
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: be anywhere near them now if you're getting me without

856
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: like a tough parking situation, and I can just you know,

857
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: go down watch that with my no, I'm saying, can

858
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: I just watch it from afar in the beach, And

859
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Speaker 1: it was easy enough to do, like I'm fine with it,

860
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Speaker 1: but I'm with you, And it was on almost the

861
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Speaker 1: tenuere to the day anniversary. I believe of Jason Pierre

862
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Paul's career changing when he had that fireworks accident that

863
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: was only in my head recently because where he lost

864
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: the part of his finger and really sidetracked him for

865
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: a minute before he rebounded. Because he's trying to make

866
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: a comeback. I don't know. I happen to see that

867
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Speaker 1: he's trying to make a comeback after being out out

868
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Speaker 1: of league year. So good good luck to him, but

869
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Speaker 1: good luck to Najie Harris. Hopefully everything is okay there.

870
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Speaker 1: And then just a couple of little nugs that Juwan

871
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: Jennings of the forty nine Ers wants a contract. We're

872
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: already seeing these pupp reports like Mike Williams, for instance,

873
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: of the Chargers because they're starting camp today Wednesday, he

874
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: is now on the pup list, which you can be

875
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: taken off from any time. It just means he's not

876
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: healthy enough to start camp. And the Charger is also

877
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: getting some notice that, you know, their second round pick

878
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: is not in camp yet, missed the entire week of

879
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: their rookie kind of onboarding training camp, because almost no

880
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: rookies in the second round er sign. This is wild,

881
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Like thirty second round picks have not been signed, largely

882
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: because the Texans gave a fully guaranteed contract to their pick,

883
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: the number thirty four overall pick, and now everyone behind

884
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: them is kind of being pressured to maybe do that

885
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: or come close to match that. And it reminded me

886
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of the Derek Stingley contract because that

887
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: contract was so high by the Texans that it actually

888
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: kind of force the Jets to step up to the plate.

889
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Speaker 1: So shout out to the Texans actually for treating their players.

890
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Speaker 1: I know.

891
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Speaker 2: This is the opposite of the Shamar Stewart situation, where

892
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Speaker 2: you're worried about setting a bad precedent for all the

893
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Speaker 2: players that come after you, specifically in that building. In

894
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: terms of how the team handles the guarantees, Well, this

895
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: is the opposite. The Texans are like, yeah, sure have

896
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: all the guarantees, and now everyone else is like, hey,

897
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: wait a minute, kind of want that, you know, seems like,

898
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Speaker 2: I mean, really be a good thing.

899
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Speaker 1: It's not even how much money is it? Even the

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Speaker 1: second round pick?

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm saying it's it's a positive. It's a

902
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: good thing. I agree with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you. Okay, it's eleven point

904
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Speaker 1: seven million dollars for four years for the thirty fourth

905
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Speaker 1: player of the draft. Like if for whatever reason, he

906
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Speaker 1: doesn't make it to like the fourth year, Like, you're

907
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: paying like a situational pass rusher that much for one year,

908
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: and this is the thirty fourth pick in the draft.

909
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: You can take that tiny little risk that your pick

910
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: wasn't so great. You should believe in this guy. I mean,

911
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: that's that's nothing. I think the second round pick should

912
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Speaker 1: be guaranteed. Rookie contracts are low enough. Actually they should

913
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Speaker 1: all be guaranteed. How about that.

914
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Speaker 2: There you go, not a hot take, in fact, an

915
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: incredibly fair take.

916
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a fair take. This was fun. It is great

917
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Speaker 1: connecting with you again, Jordan.

918
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Speaker 2: You it's nice to know you're alive.

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Speaker 1: We will do it in person again. I'll bring out

920
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Speaker 1: Ernest Greg a little bit. We'll have Colleen in the studio.

921
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Speaker 1: Hopefully we got to tell her that next.

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Speaker 2: Week, and we got to find her first.

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Speaker 1: We have a big, a big week of shows. We're

924
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Speaker 1: going to be going to our first training camp, Cowboys

925
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: training camp later in the week, so that'll be really

926
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Speaker 1: fun too. And before that, we're going to hear from

927
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Speaker 1: you and JJ Jansen from the Panthers on all the

928
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Speaker 1: training camp myths. So I can't wait for that, can't

929
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Speaker 1: wait to get on a plane. Thank you Jordan, thank

930
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: you Eric for keeping the fire burning back home and

931
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Speaker 1: getting those top twenty five episodes out. There's something sick

932
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: in me because when I see like these Mike Williams

933
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: was placed on the pup list transaction types like I

934
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Speaker 1: know football is back and I feel better about myself.