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Speaker 1: And I was just showing you on the Instagram, I

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Speaker 1: So I've noticed that people just they love Mike Vining

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Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here right now holding a former teammate

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Speaker 1: of mine. He wrote a book, and I'm in my

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Speaker 1: hand shari um, me and him go way back. UM.

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna be a really cool book. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to reading it none because he's also a

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Speaker 1: super smart guy, um, you know, and he produced this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure there's like a really thoroughly researched

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Speaker 1: book about the automation of warfare. So we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: him on a podcast coming up in the future. Oh

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Speaker 1: and Ian, there is an email that we got into

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Speaker 1: software radio that will and all so plug. I should

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Speaker 1: say that, you know, since you're a new listen to

437
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: the show. Jack Murphy is for fiction novels out that

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Speaker 1: you could purchase. I do im. I am my favorite

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Speaker 1: author that has heard on this podcast. And uh and

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00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: Brandon Webb has I think four books out some nonfiction.

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Speaker 1: He I mean, he's got a few the co authored

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Speaker 1: with you, but he's got The Red Circle, The Power

443
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: of Thought, Total Focus, the Killing School. So pick those up.

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Speaker 1: So here's this email came in from a gentleman named Chad.

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Speaker 1: Topic subject line Big Bang and Pyongyang. Message Ian shut

446
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Speaker 1: the funk up about the Big Bang. I knew that

447
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Speaker 1: was coming from the title. What what the hell is

448
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 1: he talking about? Oh? Really, you don't know what he's

449
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: talking about? That this one I must have talked about.

450
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: It shows that you aren't on because I have. I

451
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Speaker 1: have talked about it. Ad nosy gonnall, admit um, you've

452
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: heard me talk about It's it's the documentary Dennis Rodman did.

453
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, that's that was the title of it. Yes,

454
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Speaker 1: and I've recommended it many things that Dennis Rodman writing

455
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Speaker 1: in like shut the funk up with you and know

456
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: I felt like it's become an inside joke on the

457
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: show just because I feel like every time we mentioned

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Speaker 1: North Korea, Yeah you want to you want to bring

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Speaker 1: up Dennis Rodman, Cliff, Yeah, I find a way to

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Speaker 1: like few horn it in there. I just think those

461
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: those random emails we get are hilarious, and uh, hey,

462
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Speaker 1: I'll admit I've talked about it way too much. And

463
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Speaker 1: the other thing I had to bring up today was, Um,

464
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Speaker 1: my former teammate somebody has hijacked his pictures and it's

465
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Speaker 1: like posting stuff on Craigslist, pretending to be like his

466
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Speaker 1: son or his dad or something like that, and uh,

467
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Speaker 1: it's not. So. This is a former teammate of mine

468
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Speaker 1: that I served in Special Forces with and sadly he

469
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Speaker 1: took his own life last year. Um, and I got

470
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Speaker 1: a message from his brother today. I'm like, hey, man,

471
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Speaker 1: look at this, and it was somebody is using the

472
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Speaker 1: article I wrote. I wrote like a kind of a

473
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Speaker 1: tribute article to James on soft Wrap and this guy,

474
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Speaker 1: whoever it is, is kind of like taking this article

475
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Speaker 1: and trying to use it as like his bona FIDE's like,

476
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I know this guy, and you know, but

477
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Speaker 1: so just be aware that somebody out there is perpetrating

478
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Speaker 1: a scam using James Hupp's image uh and life Uh

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Speaker 1: and using kind of my article and you know that

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Speaker 1: I wrote for him, Uh you know to backstop that,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, hopefully that gets the word out

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Speaker 1: a little bit about that, so somebody doesn't end up

483
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Speaker 1: getting scammed down the line. Yeah, there's there's a lot

484
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Speaker 1: of sick bucks out there. I mean between that and

485
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Speaker 1: then I was showing you with some woman crashing green

486
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Speaker 1: beret's funerals, there are so many sick people out there. Uh,

487
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Speaker 1: there was I had a woman contacting me for a while,

488
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Speaker 1: um because there was some some guy was um pretending

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Speaker 1: to be an army ranger. And this is one of

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Speaker 1: the classic scams. What they'll do is they'll they'll suck

491
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Speaker 1: these women in and they'll tell them I can't leave

492
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Speaker 1: the army until I pay a fine or so I

493
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Speaker 1: I can't retire until I pay a fine or something

494
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: like that. So then they'll get the women to like

495
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: send them five thousand dollars or something like that. You

496
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Speaker 1: don't have to pay a fine to retire from the army. Look,

497
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: what's completely ridiculous. But this guy, this one person, this

498
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Speaker 1: one case, was using pictures of my former command sergeant

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Speaker 1: major in third Range of Battalion, pretending that he was

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Speaker 1: this person. And this person is still very much alive, thankfully.

501
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. Um. But the scammer had taken

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Speaker 1: pictures of this, you know, ranger sergeant major and was

503
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Speaker 1: using it to scam women. There's just some sick people

504
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, it's crazy shit. Um. And then before

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Speaker 1: we get to Luke the other unfortunate news, we have

506
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Speaker 1: to mention British and American soldiers killed in Syria were

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Speaker 1: on mission to capture ISIS member. Kind of God, says

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Speaker 1: um Or They said ice sole member is it? Which,

509
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Speaker 1: by the way, isn't it weird how they always try

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Speaker 1: to say is SOL when the rest of the world

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Speaker 1: refers to it as ISIS. I know it's technically DASH

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Speaker 1: or the Islamic State, but I mean it's because I

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Speaker 1: was put on the Foreign Terrorist Organization list, so it's

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Speaker 1: there for legal reasons. Yeah, but I feel like they

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Speaker 1: try to get it this name to catch on and

516
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: just is not caught on. We all know it's because

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Speaker 1: of like illegal obligations. It's not because of like they're

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Speaker 1: trying to brand or something like. But isn't the difference uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'll get back to the actual issue here, but

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Speaker 1: it'sn't the difference that for L it stands for the

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Speaker 1: Levant and st Syria. UH is these Iraq? Yeah so anyway, UM,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, so a British and American soldier killed in

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Speaker 1: Syria last week. We're on a secret mission to kill

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Speaker 1: or capture a member of the Islamic State of Iraq

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Speaker 1: or Levant isle as it says you're the Pentagon is confirmed.

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Speaker 1: Master Sergeant Jonathan Dunbar from Austin, Texas, UH, former Delta

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Speaker 1: Well Delta Force you know who has passed UH. And

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Matt tonrow At s a S sniper from Manchester

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Speaker 1: died and an improvised explosive device blast in UH and

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Speaker 1: am I saying it right? In man Beacheya, Syria. The

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Speaker 1: pair were killed and five other troops were wounded on

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Speaker 1: March thirty. So that's some recent terrible news. I saw.

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Speaker 1: I saw the report this morning that they're saying is

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Speaker 1: uh they were participating in a high value target strike,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting because that area of mon Beach has

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Speaker 1: been pacified. I mean, Benny was there not that long ago.

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Speaker 1: And what happens is that that there are still I

538
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Speaker 1: as sympathizers out there, and they come out and they

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Speaker 1: you know, put roadside bombs out and do I e.

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Speaker 1: D strikes and stuff like that. I mean, I saw

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Speaker 1: it when I was in Syria that the areas that

542
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: the Kurds have taken over, whatever enemy has left, they

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Speaker 1: transition to more like unconventional terrorist type of tactics. Um.

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Speaker 1: But if they were really doing an h VT strike

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Speaker 1: and mon Beach, that's kind of interesting. Um. But I

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Speaker 1: mean we'll see, it's early information. Who knows alright? Well

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Speaker 1: with that, UM, we should get over to Luke Ryan,

548
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Speaker 1: who's kind of newer at this site. We've never had

549
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: on the show before, but it has lived a very

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Speaker 1: interesting life in terms of where he's lived across the

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Speaker 1: globe and former Army Rangers. So let's get him on

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00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: joining us on the show for the first time. As

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Speaker 1: I said, Luke Ryan, former third Ranger Battalion team leader,

554
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: served four deployments in Afghanistan, and as I was kind

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Speaker 1: of saying in the intro, you've lived a pretty interesting life, dude,

556
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Speaker 1: the son of foreign aid workers. You lived in Pakistan

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Speaker 1: for nine years and Thailand for five years, and then

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Speaker 1: later got a degree in English literature. So there's a

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00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: lot of cool stuff to cover. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I

560
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: grew up. I grew up overseas. We moved to Pakistan

561
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Speaker 1: when I was three, so I don't really remember moving

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Speaker 1: over there. My earliest memories are up in um the

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Speaker 1: like the town where my parents were learning you do

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Speaker 1: um more than when they first went there. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we moved there. It was like it was I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it was a cool experience. I like, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was cool to be able to grow up in different

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Speaker 1: places like that, and I've like it's given me a

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Speaker 1: unique perspective on a lot of things. You know, living

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Speaker 1: in Pakistan was hard on my mom, I think because

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Speaker 1: you know, it's, uh, it's a hard place to for

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Speaker 1: for women to live in general. Um, I don't have to.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any sisters, um, but just me and

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Speaker 1: me and my brother. Um. But you know, we all

575
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Speaker 1: made the best of it. I when I was young,

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Speaker 1: I remember we didn't have you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: some of the basic things like we'd have electricity once

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Speaker 1: every three days. We'd have hot water was a rare

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Speaker 1: a rare commodity and stuff like that. But I mean

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Speaker 1: we had a fairly nice house though, and I mean

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Speaker 1: it was before nine eleven, so it was relatively safe

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Speaker 1: for westerners. I lived in northern Pakistan for most of

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Speaker 1: the time there for five out of the nine years

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Speaker 1: I was there, and and up in cash Fremir, up

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Speaker 1: in a town called Gilget and that was like a um.

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Speaker 1: It was like a town that people would pass through

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Speaker 1: to go to the bigger mountains like Nunga, Parbit or

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Speaker 1: k Too and some big glacier So we'd get a

589
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: whole bunch of like famous climbers and stuff. I don't

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00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: remember any of their names. I was pretty young, but

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Speaker 1: uh um, a bunch of the super hardcore climbers going

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Speaker 1: through there. So people were used to Westerners. There was

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Speaker 1: Tourism was like a thing there um, And it was

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Speaker 1: all pre nine eleven, so it's pretty safe. We generally

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00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: had three, I guess, safety concerns that we would like

596
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: flipped through. There would be the war war with India

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Speaker 1: because we lived in Kashmir. So I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know much about the the stuff that goes on

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00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: in India in Pakistan and the dispute over Um. It's

600
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: basically just a disputed territory it's why Indian and Pakistan

601
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: had hated each other since day one. Um. They both

602
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: say it should be part of their country. UM. So

603
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: we were always at the verge of like war with India. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then of course there was the Sunni and Shii conflicts,

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00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: and then there there were tensions with Westerners. But the

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Speaker 1: war with India. UM. Well, I mean it wasn't like

607
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Speaker 1: a constant war. It was always like on the edge

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Speaker 1: of war. UM. And it's like, you know, instant proxy

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00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: warfare between the two, isn't it. Um, sort of, it's

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00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of well, it's probably more like a cold

611
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: war now, especially because they both have nukes. Now that

612
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: was a big concern. Um. My my family had made

613
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Speaker 1: the decision that we would suffer the consequences of everyone there, um,

614
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: but we would leave if we were targeted specifically. So

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00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of in it, in it with everyone there. Um.

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Speaker 1: But so nuclear war, I was there. We were there

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00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: for the cargo War, which was an actual war. Yeah,

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00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: that's an interesting case study to look at, um for

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Speaker 1: a couple of different reasons. Oh yeah, well yeah, I

620
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: was I was pretty I was pretty young at the time.

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Speaker 1: I bet I just remember helicopters. And I was about

622
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: it because there's the first time two nuclear powers went

623
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Speaker 1: to war with each other. And it was also a

624
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: high it was a high alta war. Um, so you

625
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: have soldiers fighting at high altitude, a lot of people

626
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: getting altitude sickness. Um, you know, climbers you know, doing

627
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and you probably know you know way more about this

628
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: than I do. But I mean you'd have like military

629
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: climbers who are doing rope installations, so like you could

630
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Speaker 1: have troops go up the side of a cliff face

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Speaker 1: and then attack down on the enemy. There's really interesting stuff.

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00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: You can find something like, um war college white papers

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00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: written about it. Cool. Yeah, no, actually I don't know

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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. I mean I was, I was,

635
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: I was nine or ten when that happened. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, um my memories of Pakistan really more speak

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Speaker 1: to the ability for children to block things out, the

638
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: troubles of the world, because um yeah, I mean they

639
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: would be My dad was telling me, Um, you know,

640
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: he remembers them taking casualties back and forth, um in

641
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Gilga and that was about that was about it. Um.

642
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was different. You know they

643
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: Mushada President Mushada, who was a general during the Cargo War.

644
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: He said later that that um Pakistan's nuclear capabilities were

645
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: not actually fully operational at the time, but nobody knew

646
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: that then. Um that that was definitely my my exposure

647
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: to a kind of Cold War, I guess, which was interesting. UM.

648
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I felt like I

649
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: was constantly living under the gun with you know, or

650
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, and constantly living in fear or something like that.

651
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: But but it definitely is. It's different, especially in retrospect,

652
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: knowing how how close you can get to everybody just

653
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: getting you know, totally blown away. The other one was

654
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: the sunny sunny and shi I you know, conflicts. That

655
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: was another big thing, which which you know, you get

656
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: in a lot of countries in that area of the the world. Um.

657
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: You know, the first time I ever heard shots, UM,

658
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: what's what's the phrase? Shots fired in anger? Um? The

659
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: first time I've heard somebody like shoot somebody else was

660
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: was um it was I forget what year it was,

661
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: but you just I just heard it way in the background.

662
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: And later my and my dad told me that Um

663
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: a son he had shot a Shia dead in the bazaar.

664
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: UM and UM yeah, and and there were times when

665
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: that got real bad up there. Um we had to

666
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: leave one of a couple of times. Um. One time

667
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: I came back and the fighting was they had they

668
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: had like and stated a curfew that was super super hardcore,

669
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: like you're liable to get shot if you're walking around

670
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: out after curfew. Um, and I came back to visit

671
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: my dad, who was the only one still there. We

672
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: all left, and I came back to visit, and he

673
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: had and all the like windows were bricked up in

674
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: our whole house, including the interior windows. He like carried

675
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: a shotgun and his pistol around everywhere, and um, he

676
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: had he had himself so dead bolted in that he

677
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: had to have like a a big gass hatchet that

678
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: he could like knock down his dead bolts in case

679
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: there's an earthquake, because there's so many earthquakes up there. Um.

680
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: So uh so that that got pretty bad sometimes, but

681
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, the worst one obviously especially. I mean again,

682
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: I was a kid, you know, when I was a boy,

683
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: So I ran around and did did like I went

684
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: to western schools most pretty much most of the whole time. Um,

685
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: so I didn't I really feel a lot of the

686
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: test the tensions against Westerners for a long time until

687
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I started to get a bit older. And then Um,

688
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: of course post nine eleven things changed a lot. UM,

689
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, the the invasion, because I didn't know then.

690
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: I was in seventh grade when the US invaded Afghanistan. Um,

691
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: So I was, and I didn't UM, I didn't know then.

692
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: But you'll get where I lived is about three hundred

693
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: miles away. I think if I remember, right from where

694
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: I went to on my third deployment. UM. You had

695
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: told me once that everything changed in Pakistan after nine eleven.

696
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I mean so, I when I grew up,

697
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: the Taliban, I knew about them, you know. In the nineties,

698
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: growing up, we had we had taken care of several

699
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: refugees trying to escape the Taliban, but they were largely

700
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: on the other side of the border. UM. And that

701
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: obviously changed after eleven. UM. So it was definitely things

702
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: just got a lot more dangerous. Security had to be

703
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: upgraded everywhere, um, and where where it didn't um, you know,

704
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: they felt it, uh m hmm when I was UM,

705
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: and that, of course that started culminating into attacks on westerners. Uh.

706
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, there was a there was a church that

707
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: some of my and went to that I've grown up

708
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: with in Gilgat and it was in a Sanbad and

709
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: uh the church was and some of my friends, my

710
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: Gilgert friends were there and guys just came in and

711
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: just start throwing grenades down the aisles of the church. Yeah. Um,

712
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: and like just stuff like that. There's a couple a

713
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: couple more attacks. And then my school, it was my

714
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: uh second week of so I had gone to a

715
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: boarding school. I mean, so I went to kind of

716
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: to a home school starting off, and it was kind

717
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: of a homeschool. My parents didn't teach there. There was

718
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: like seven kids up in Gilgat and seven to nine

719
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: depending on the year, and all different ages, and the

720
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: parents would take turns, you know or like that that

721
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: we'd have some volunteers and they would teach. But once

722
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: you start hitting six seventh, eighth grade, it's like, okay,

723
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, we need to send them to some so

724
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: like an actual institution, you know, a real school basically. Uh.

725
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of people went to a British boarding

726
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: school in Murray. It was called It was about an

727
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: hour away from from Islamabad, which was a song. Abod

728
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: was a thirteen hour drive from my house in Gilga,

729
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: but a one hour flight because you're going through the

730
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: mountains like, um, you're going through the him l As

731
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: it's like hairpin turn after hairpin turn. Um. But anyway,

732
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: so I went to the British boarding school and um

733
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: uh some guys came in to the school and shot

734
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: up to school and killed six people. Um that was

735
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: my second week of eighth grade. Wow. Yeah, so you

736
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: know that I was. I was headed to the library.

737
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I was. I was in like a kind of a

738
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: study hall type type deal at the time, and you know,

739
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: I just I heard shooting. I was in eighth grade.

740
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: I didn't Like I had heard shooting like a handful

741
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: of times in my life, you know, and I had

742
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: never felt threatened by it myself. Um, I didn't. I

743
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: was a civilian. I didn't know what what it was.

744
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: I thought it was fireworks because it was one of

745
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: my brother's friend's birthday. Um. So I was you know,

746
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I did the whole like I did the thing that

747
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people do in that situation, and you

748
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like look around, like what's going on?

749
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: You know that can't happen here. Yeah. Uh, well was

750
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: it was it terror related or just like a regular

751
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: school shooting type of Um? Yeah, no, it was. It

752
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: was definitely terror related. It was. It was. UM. I'd

753
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: say the experience probably it was the same as any

754
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: school shooting, UM, but the the reasons for it were

755
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: a lot different. They they left a note and I

756
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: never got to read it. It it had something to

757
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: do with UM, Israel, Palestine and nine eleven. Um. That's

758
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: that's really all I heard about it. But um, so

759
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering that experiences like that, you know, encourage

760
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: you to say, like I want to join the army,

761
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: become an army ranger. You know. It reminds me because

762
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of with the post drop there which you

763
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: can't see. But Quinn Emerson grew up in Saudi Arabia

764
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: and he said on the show like how much he

765
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: hated Saudi Arabia was kind of his uh influence to

766
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: become a seal. Yeah, I'd say that. The I'd say

767
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: that maybe from the attack on my school. UM, I

768
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: realized that in that I don't like freak out when

769
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: when people start, like you know, when shooting starts, So

770
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of knew for a long

771
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: time that I that I was able to you know,

772
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: handle myself in it. But the worst part about the

773
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: shooting was was I was just useless. I couldn't do anything.

774
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I might have gotten myself killed, now,

775
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean there was there was multiple guys with like

776
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, machine guns with a k S if I remember, right,

777
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: and um, and you know, but I would still have felt,

778
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, I i'd at least be going downstairs. I

779
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: would be barricading doors, and I'd be you know, barricading windows,

780
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: treating people who got shot. Stuff like that you know,

781
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: you need at the end of the day, you know,

782
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: being useless and being useful was is the biggest difference

783
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: between being a civilian and combat and arranger in combat,

784
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: in my mind is usefulness. Um. And so I guess

785
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: that maybe I don't know that that really like pushed

786
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: me towards the army though the attack on my school.

787
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: More more so was some of the guys that I

788
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: met that had escaped the Taliban UM when I was

789
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: a little bit younger. Before that UM we had met

790
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: one guy in particular that was a refugee from the

791
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: Taliban and he they had like tried to make him

792
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: become um, you know, to join them. Um. They did

793
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: this a lot, and he refused. He was kind of

794
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: a he was like a Persian um Muslim poet basically

795
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: studied like old Persian literature and he he uh, he's

796
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: a really cool guy, really really like nice, very gentle,

797
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: very like really cool wise dude. Uh study you know,

798
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: study study literature a lot. And he wouldn't do it.

799
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: He wouldn't join them. They tried to make him, like,

800
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, do all sorts of stuff, and they eventually

801
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: just threw him in the desert to die. And he

802
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: walked to Pakistan. Um, and we met him, and we

803
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: took care of him, and we we helped, uh, we

804
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: helped get him. We helped a few people get to

805
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: other countries like Norway and Canada. Um. I think we're

806
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: two that I remember off top of my head. But yeah,

807
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: and and and that made a big impact on me.

808
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: I knew who the Taliban were from a young age,

809
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: and that was one of the biggest reasons why I

810
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: joined the army. Um was that my you know, the

811
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: country that I had grown up, um, you know, always

812
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: I always felt very connected to American culture. I grew

813
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: up watching American movies like all the time, like a

814
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of America of movies and stuff like that. And

815
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: we every time we came back to the US to

816
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: visit every other year, Um every year or every other year,

817
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: I would I just you know, I loved it. I've

818
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: always loved being American. My my country happens to go

819
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: to war with the Taliban, the people that I knew

820
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: so much about growing up. There's the holy just young

821
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Man's game was a huge part of it. You know,

822
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like cool stuff. You know, I'm

823
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: just curious, Luke Um being that you grew up in

824
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: Pakistan and you're talking about that you saw, like the

825
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: Sunni she had conflict at a young age. Like for

826
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: for the listeners out there, like what is the biggest

827
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: cultural difference that you see between Sunnies and shi It's

828
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: that people might not be familiar with um Man. You know,

829
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could really answer that question accurately.

830
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I probably m hm to me. To me,

831
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: it reminds me of like and this is a familiar

832
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,959
Speaker 1: thing that that Americans can maybe relate to. It doesn't

833
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: answer your question directly, but it just It reminds me

834
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: of people's capacity to naturally fall in the two sides

835
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: of something like and and become like die hard supporters

836
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: of one side because you're born into it, because you know,

837
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, because um you hate your parents, and

838
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: there the other side because you know, you uh, you

839
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: feel like everything the other side does is totally wrong.

840
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: I've seen that in my in my life a lot,

841
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: I think in different cultures as people's capacity to fall

842
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: into two sides of anything. You know, any argument and

843
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: you pull into two extremes. Great, yeah, I think I

844
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: think it's easier that way. It's easier to to to

845
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: see life through the lens of of you know, my

846
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: team is good, in their team is bad. Um it.

847
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: It makes everything easier to digest rather than accepting and

848
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: facing the reality that, like, you know, maybe they're not

849
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: so bad, maybe they're not even maybe they're still wrong

850
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: about some things. You know, maybe maybe they actually are.

851
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: But um uh yeah, I don't know. I I couldn't

852
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: really speak to the specific differences. I don't think as

853
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: well as you know, some people could. Like I said,

854
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, I left when I was in eighth grade. Um,

855
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: if you have to ask me the differences between Democrats

856
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: and Republicans. When I was in sixth grade, you know,

857
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have been able to give you a

858
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: good answer either. Then, in a sense, isn't isn't the

859
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: religion sort of a way to codify a different conflict

860
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: that's about politics and economics, and there's some more pragmatic things,

861
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: but it gets colored with religion to make it seem

862
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: perhaps more virtuous than it is. Yeah, I could, I

863
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: could definitely see that. I mean, I mean, religion is

864
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: is a lot more ingrained into their society even than ours.

865
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people talk about having um. You know,

866
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: we argue about things like having in God, we trust

867
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: on our on our currency and over there, you know,

868
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: you have to actually have to register your religion. If

869
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: you're a Proxican citizen, you know, you have to register

870
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: yourself so like, um, you know, and it matters, you know,

871
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I mean when we were there, especially initially, you know,

872
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: we're they're like, oh, they're white, they're Christian, you know whatever. Um,

873
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: But if you were Pakistani and and you know you

874
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: had to be a part of an underground church, if

875
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: you're a Christian, you know that that would uh you

876
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: know your your life would be a threat, um, depending

877
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: on who you were. I mean if generally speaking, yeah, um,

878
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: you know so especially if you're a convert, for sure,

879
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: you know you'd be in trouble. Um. Totally bizarre to

880
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: the American experience. I mean, I remember my interpreter, he

881
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: was Yazdi and it had to be on his on

882
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: his national I D Card. This is a rack, of

883
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: course it had. He had the same thing. It had

884
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: to be on his I D Card that he was Yazdi.

885
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: And he told me, He's like, look, if I could

886
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: not go to Missol without you, without us the special

887
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Forces guys, Like, if I went without you just decided

888
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: to drive to Missol, they'd cut my head off at

889
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: like a checkpoint somewhere along the way. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Um,

890
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: you know, and and the way that that's but that's

891
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: exactly what you what you do is what you did.

892
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, you build bridges with with people and eventually

893
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there was the attack on my

894
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: on my uh school, but but a um, you know

895
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: in my dad's town or in what it was my

896
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: dad's town then in Gilgat in the town where my

897
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: dad was when I was in boarding school. Um, they

898
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: were like, anybody attacks is because he he ran an

899
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: eye clinic up there. He's an optimologist and so um,

900
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: they were like anybody attacks the eye hospital, you know,

901
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: and like we're gonna you know, we're gonna hunt you

902
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: down and make you pay pretty much because he was giving.

903
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, a school in international school isn't necessarily directly

904
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: giving to the local community in the way that a

905
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: hospital is. You know, um, building bridges like that. To

906
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: those people, it was and I think my dad's my

907
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: dad's hospital had just better security all around, you know,

908
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: on the face of it, and um, yeah, so they

909
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: never they know how I had to deal with that.

910
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, then we moved to Thailand after that, Um,

911
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: after the attack of my school. That's why we left.

912
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: That was that was the that was the catalyst. The

913
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: trigger to leave was Yeah, the catalyst was, Um, you know,

914
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, we'll suffer the consequences of

915
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: everybody else around us. You know, we're there to help them, Um,

916
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: but you know, if we're being targeted, then you know,

917
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: we'll leave. So we did. My dad found work in

918
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: Thailand and it was good. Um, I didn't really know

919
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: I was I wasn't like growing up thinking I was

920
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: going to be in the Army. I didn't. I certainly

921
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: didn't know I was going to be deployed like right

922
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: next to um where I lived. And I wouldn't say

923
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: that helped me tactically ever, you know, I mean, I

924
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: mean in in in range of the time, you're just

925
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: so caught up and just doing what you gotta do.

926
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sitting there. You know, I could

927
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's what to do, and then the

928
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: interpreter will be like yeah, I know, and then and

929
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, um, um, you know, and I don't know,

930
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: you're not doing like cultural all any cultural stuff, you know,

931
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: as as a ranger really, um, I mean I would

932
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: say it growing up like that gave me a lot

933
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: of perspective that helped in Ranger Battalion in general. Um,

934
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: in the way that it's helped me in in every

935
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: stage of my life, and that having been a ranger

936
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: also helps me perspective wise and other stages of my life. Um.

937
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, every every profound experience I think that you

938
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: have better enables you to tackle future endeavors. Um And

939
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: and growing up overseas and Pakistan was one you know,

940
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: the attack of my school is one that uh, moving

941
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: living in Thailand was another one. You know, um, all

942
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: that stuff, uh, you know, being in the army. I

943
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, Luke, moving on to a different

944
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: topic here. You you've been writing some really awesome pieces

945
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: for soft rep dot com. And I mentioned in the

946
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: intro that we talked about former sorry, former ambassador uh

947
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: John Bolton being appointed as the new National Security Advisor.

948
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: But you just recently wrote about the new appointment to

949
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: v A Secretary, which is Dr Ronnie Jackson, and you

950
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: wrote two articles about this. You wrote an article called

951
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: who is Dr Ronnie Jackson? And then today we have

952
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: an article up the VFW Voices concern over Dr Jackson

953
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: as the new Secretary of Veterans Affairs. So the first

954
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: stuff I was wondering, Yeah, what for those wondering what

955
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: is Dr Ronnie Jackson's background? And um, yeah, from what

956
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: I saw from the second article, there's some who are

957
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: saying they don't feel he's completely qualified for the job.

958
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: Sure yeah he uh um, so he's uh rear admiral.

959
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: He's still you know, and he's an active duty doctor

960
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: that works for you know, the White House. He's the

961
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: White House physician, and he has been for the past

962
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: to presidents correct or three presidents including this one now

963
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: to including this one. Yeah, so so he um, being

964
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: a White House physician, you're you know, you're the President's doctor,

965
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: that's what everybody thinks of. But you're also in charge

966
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: of of, um, basically White House medical staff. Um, so

967
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: think of I forget the exact numbers, it's it's I

968
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: think it's five doctors, five nurses, three medics, a couple

969
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: of admin admin people and uh something something another administrative position.

970
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: But um, and you're they're taking care of the president,

971
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: vice president and all the White House staff and any

972
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: people passing through the White House. Um. And he has

973
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: a background in emergency medicine and like U, I think

974
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: his his undergrad was in marine biology and he did

975
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: like submarine hyperbaric medicine at some at one point, um,

976
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: which just in general seemed pretty interesting to me. But um, yeah, so,

977
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's had a pretty successful career. He um.

978
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: He you know, went to Iraq um and then got

979
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: pulled for to be White House position. I guess. I

980
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: guess they usually pull people from active duty because like

981
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: for that position, because it's really hard to find a

982
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: private practice doctor who wants to give up their private

983
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: practice to go work in the White House. Um that's

984
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: what I read anyway. But yeah, so he has a

985
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of experience. I mean, you can't really deny the

986
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: the experience, Well, he has a lot of experience in

987
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: the military. You can't really deny that. You can't deny

988
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: the fact that you know he probably has well, I mean,

989
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: I guess you could. But you're generally gonna expect a

990
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: person in the military to care more about military people

991
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: than than than not. But the concern, like the VFW

992
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: voice and a lot of people are voicing our um, well,

993
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't have experience in managing bureaucracy like

994
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: the v A, which is a lot different than a

995
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: medical team. You know, it's a lot different than private

996
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: medical practice. Right you're a politician, I mean, um yeah.

997
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: And and so that's that's what a lot of people

998
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: are worried about. And I don't think that it necessarily

999
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: means that he's going to be bad at it. And

1000
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: I think people just you just don't know, you know,

1001
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: And that's a big that's a big gamble. Um. Uh yeah.

1002
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: So I mean a lot of it comes from. You know,

1003
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: it's so hard to to like find information on this

1004
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 1: stuff because like it's so mired and like people that

1005
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: that will be critical of everything that, you know, President

1006
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: Trump does just because of who he is. Um, you know,

1007
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: they'll they'll say that, well, because he's appointing him, you know,

1008
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, he must just be like he's appointing him

1009
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: and he knows him, so that he's just expanding his

1010
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: inner circle and trying to make all of his friends.

1011
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: It's hard not to see it as like quid pro

1012
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: quo because I mean, he was the wasn't he the

1013
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: physician that was like he's very stable, everything's great. Yeah.

1014
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: I think he said it was an excellent physical condition

1015
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: or something to that. He's just got good genes, right,

1016
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: That's the that was the He made a couple of

1017
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: digs in that interview. Um, he said like we are

1018
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: going to be working with the president's diet in um fitness,

1019
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: and he's more keen to the diet parts in the

1020
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: fitness part. Um. He kind of said like a little

1021
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: slightly but um, even though Donald Trump admittedly loves to

1022
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: indulge in McDonald's and KFC. So yeah, yeah, I know

1023
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: and and that that actually is the biggest criticism that

1024
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I've heard on on the actual person himself. Uh, and yeah,

1025
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: I think people are worried that maybe he's, you know,

1026
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: he's just trying to continuously appoint people that are that

1027
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: he just knows personally. You think that they're just hinting

1028
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: at that that he basically, you know, Trump said to him,

1029
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: just say excellent things about me in my physical condition,

1030
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: and I'll do something for you. I don't Yeah, you know,

1031
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, it's probably you know, for everything

1032
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: that we see that happens up there, there's there's ninety

1033
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: other there's ninety other like moves that people are making,

1034
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: and um, you know, uh political chess moves that people

1035
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: are doing to advance their own careers or advanced someone

1036
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: else's career, who intern will advance someone else's career who

1037
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: will in turn do something good for me, you know,

1038
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: all that crazy house of cards stuff. So from what

1039
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: you see, is it is it a good appointment? It's

1040
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: replacing David Schulkin. I don't know if you had any

1041
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: feelings on him, the previous Va Sack. I don't really know.

1042
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: I I've I've seen all the interviews where he was

1043
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: basically you know, people say caught red handed, uh with

1044
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: his trips to Europe and um, stuff like that. UM.

1045
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: I know I know from from interviewing people myself, that

1046
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: people in in the v A, especially in the whistleblower community,

1047
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: people that you know, have have called out somebody in there,

1048
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: um in the v A bureaucracy and then just get

1049
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: totally like shut out of the entire world. You know,

1050
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: they still have their job, but they basically work out

1051
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: of a tiny little office and they the people will

1052
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: work to discredit them and stuff like that. UM. And

1053
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: I know they're so sick of people mishandling funds that

1054
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: that that community, that the whistleblower group. I've talked to

1055
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: a few of them and they are just like you know,

1056
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: from from the lower level of like that that dude

1057
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: who was like, uh scamming he was getting kicked back

1058
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: funds for the guy, the guy who owned the parking

1059
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: lot across the v A street who was like, I

1060
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: forget exactly how he did it, but he was misreporting

1061
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: the funds and making millions of dollars to the v

1062
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: n v A was you know, paying him for that

1063
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: space and uh, the guy who managed the the finances

1064
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: and uh subcontracting for the VA in that facility. Um,

1065
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: he was getting kicked backs to keep it quiet and

1066
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: eventually they got cotton. But that that's just one story

1067
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: that that happens all the time. There's the landscaping thing

1068
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: where the guy was subcript contracting to his son's landscaping

1069
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: company and it was like it was like hundreds of

1070
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars and no landscaping ever happened. Ever. You know,

1071
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: I talked to one veteran who blew the whistle on

1072
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:37,479
Speaker 1: the v A doctor who was sexually assaulting mail patients, UM,

1073
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: and we know one of the guys. Yeah, the story,

1074
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the stories just go on and on and

1075
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: on and just like what the hell like is It

1076
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: makes you wonder like is this going on in other

1077
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: governmental agencies and there's just more of a focus on

1078
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: v A and this is something's happening like across the board,

1079
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: or is v A just like a specifically really fucked

1080
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: up organization something about I think people wrongfully conflate uh,

1081
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: the problems with treatment, like the problems with the transplant system,

1082
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: the problems with like just you know, the regular weight

1083
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: times and stuff like that, they wrongfully conflate that with

1084
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: the mishandling of funds and the cover up type stuff

1085
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: you get at like the mid level um, you know

1086
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: management UM and and I I don't know, there's something

1087
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: about it that that I guess I can't really say

1088
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: what exactly, something about the v A in particular that

1089
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: makes it easy, especially when it comes to subcontractors and

1090
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that too, to conflate those funds and and

1091
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: skim a bunch off the top. Um. You know, I'm

1092
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: not exactly sure what so so going back to um Shulkin,

1093
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: you know that that's what a lot of people's sentiment

1094
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: are towards. Towards him. They hear another they hear that

1095
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: another person is taking a flight to Europe, and and

1096
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, right or wrong, they're just so sick of it,

1097
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: you know that they're just like hand like you, I

1098
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: just um, you know, I can't blame him for thinking that.

1099
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: When I was the the what is it the Commanders

1100
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: in Chiefs Forum during the election campaign MSNBC or it's

1101
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: on NBC, it was Matt Lower, the now disgraced Matt Lower. Um. Yeah,

1102
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: that guy Trump. He promised, he pledged, right, then and

1103
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: there he's like, no, I would not prov privatize the

1104
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: v A would not do it. So we'll see. I mean,

1105
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: seems like he's not going to it's not a very

1106
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: popular stand. No, I don't. I don't think it is.

1107
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's a good idea myself.

1108
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: And there are veterans. I mean, it is the more

1109
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: capitalist way of doing things, but some would say, yeah,

1110
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of a lot of vets are

1111
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's not necessarily capitalism in that sense,

1112
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: because you know, there it's a service provided to veterans,

1113
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: some of whom are you know, in poverty or all

1114
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: sorts of other things. So I don't know if there's

1115
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: necessarily a capitalist well what I've heard, you know, I

1116
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: guess the best way to describe it is is almost

1117
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: like the vouchers for private school's type of thing. It's

1118
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: it's almost like that subsidized by the government. Yeah, exactly

1119
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: where if you were in the military, they'll throw you

1120
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: into the private health care system, but you'll get some

1121
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: type of voucher um. But yeah, I don't know if

1122
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: that is a good solution because there's there's certain things

1123
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: that I've probably VA doctors are better at treating that

1124
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: they see more often with veterans than they see in

1125
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: private practice. What do you think, Luke, I mean you

1126
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: have the background in aid and medicine. What's your take

1127
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: on it? Um? Well, I mean just the whole health

1128
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: care system, whether it's v A or not, the v

1129
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: A is totally screwed up. I feel like entirely. You know, Um,

1130
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: the v A is a good example of of how

1131
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: when you know, when the government run stuff, you get

1132
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: bogged down with bureaucracy, and people can take advantage of it,

1133
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: especially in a country as big as the US. And

1134
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: then um, you know, our our private healthcare system is

1135
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: a good example of of um, you know how this

1136
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: weird hybrid between uh, I guess, you know, try to

1137
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: stay away from like buzz words, but you know, socialist

1138
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: and capitalist medicine, the weird like monster hybrid that we

1139
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: have that's like, I don't really know exactly what what

1140
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: you would call it, but the worst of both worlds. Yeah,

1141
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, and there's so many you know, they were

1142
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: brought up in in the primary, not just this primarary,

1143
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: but four years ago, eight years ago, because it's been

1144
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: an ongoing of But what I think are some pretty

1145
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: simple but helpful solutions that no one seems to be

1146
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: doing it. You know. The biggest of which I've heard

1147
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: is why can't you buy healthcare across state lines? Seems

1148
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: like a pretty easy solution, um, But you know, I

1149
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: guess it just doesn't benefit the people up top so

1150
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: that we have not done. If it makes sense to me, though,

1151
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: why can't I buy a healthcare plan from South Dakota

1152
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: or something if it's going to be cheaper for me

1153
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: than in New York. Yeah, I mean I don't know

1154
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. That stuff is like crazy complex, and I

1155
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't presume to know the ins and outs of of

1156
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, the upper echelons of our health care system.

1157
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: I have that that'd be like a lot of a

1158
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of research. Yah. Know. I agree, it's you know,

1159
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: it seems simple to me that solution. But I also

1160
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: am by no means a health care expert. No, Yeah, yeah,

1161
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think with the v a UM,

1162
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I would say personally, it's it's the first thing that

1163
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: needs a same with same with our politicians. The first

1164
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: thing that needs to happen is not shifting I mean

1165
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: a shift in policy is is what is necessary. But

1166
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: the first step in that is a shift in culture.

1167
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: You have career politicians running you know politics, and you

1168
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: have you you have same I mean same with the

1169
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: v A. You have bureaucracy, people that know how to

1170
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: work the system to their own advantage, you know, climbing

1171
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: the ladder successfully in the v A. I mean, And

1172
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: and what what we need is people in those positions

1173
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: with an ethical backbone, you know, with like some kind

1174
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: of moral compass, you know, because then the policy shifts

1175
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: will happen. Um. So I would ask, how do you

1176
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: how do you get that shift in culture to happen? Um? Otherwise,

1177
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, you can take out people here and there

1178
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: you can shift policy. Um. You know, you can hope

1179
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: that those people shift policy because you asked them enough,

1180
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: but they're probably not going to unless you know, and

1181
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: they're always going to be doing stuff behind closed doors. Um.

1182
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, you need people with moral and ethical backbones

1183
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: that that you know, at least know that what they're

1184
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: there for is to help out in the v A,

1185
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 1: help to help veterans. I mean, um, that's their primary job.

1186
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: I know you're you're limited on time, Luke. So before

1187
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 1: we go I do want to mention and at least

1188
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: let you talk about it. You have an upcoming novel,

1189
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: the first Sperato, and it sounds like that's a pretty

1190
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: exciting venture for you. Yeah. Man, Uh, I've really enjoyed

1191
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: writing it. So, like I said, I when I grew

1192
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: up in son Um, my dad would get really good

1193
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: quality cuts of meat in a slam Bad and we

1194
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: drive it all the way up to Gilgaetting Coolers and

1195
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: he'd give a part of it to our movie store guy. Um,

1196
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: and our movie store guy would give us free movies

1197
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: in return. So as far as I was concerned, I

1198
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: just got I just got free movies. Um. So I

1199
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: watched movies. I sucked up fiction when I was a kid,

1200
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: basically what I'm saying, like crazy like I and that's

1201
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: how I learned about American culture. That's how I learned,

1202
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, about all sorts of stuff. Um, and how

1203
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: I one of the ways that I grew to love,

1204
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, the country that I that I was a

1205
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: citizen of but had had spent very little time and

1206
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: and uh that that developed my love for fiction. And

1207
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: ever since then I was I wrote, So I wrote stories.

1208
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: The first one I wrote was like, um, you know,

1209
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: it was like sixties some pages book about Boba Fett

1210
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: when I was like, I don't like fourth grade. You know,

1211
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: it took me like a long time, but you know,

1212
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: I just wrote hand you know, my little notebook with

1213
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: stickers and Star Wars stickers and stuff and um, yeah,

1214
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: and I just kept writing through the army on my deployments.

1215
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: I wrote a lot on my deployments and uh. Um

1216
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: and yeah, film is really my my first love. But

1217
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, you can write a bunch of screenplays, but

1218
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: that's the that's you know, that's not the final product.

1219
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: So so I tried my hand. I've been trying my

1220
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: hand at writing, um a book and I just finished.

1221
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm in the revision or I finished a little while

1222
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: ago and I'm in the revision stages now. UM. It's

1223
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: about it's it's a part of a big series that

1224
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm planning on doing UM that you know, we

1225
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: can maybe get into another time. But this particular story,

1226
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: it's it's set four years after UH weaponized smallpox virus

1227
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: wipes out a good population of the earth. UM and

1228
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: they call it the Red UH. And so it's four

1229
01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: years after the Red and UM it's big. Basically, government's dissolved,

1230
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: set in um near in eastern Tampa, Florida, and a

1231
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid his his nobody like nobody in

1232
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: the whole area. And so many people died from the

1233
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: Red that nobody knows anyone that survived, so all their friends,

1234
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: all their family, you know, everybody's basically starting over. UM,

1235
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: with the exception of a few people, including the main

1236
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: guy whose brother lived and his brother, you know, right

1237
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: before the beginning, was just killed, you know, he survived

1238
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: the red all this stuff. UM four years ago, he's

1239
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: just killed by neighboring town in a skirmish for resources,

1240
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: and so they're the East Tampa militia is going to

1241
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: war with this neighboring town over resources. And he's fifteen

1242
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: years old, UM, and he lies about his age, and

1243
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: because the militia age is sixteen, so he lies about

1244
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 1: his age, joins up and goes goes over to fight.

1245
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: And it's it's a lot about you know, it's it's

1246
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: not a it's it's about a fifteen year old kid.

1247
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: But it's not like a young adult like book. It's

1248
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: it's really kind of dark. Uh. It's about the discovery

1249
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: of war and politics and um, you know seeing you know,

1250
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: because I've always been a big believer that fiction is

1251
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: a way that we can better look at different facets

1252
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: of the human experience, different bits of reality, you know. Um.

1253
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: And you know what better way to It's about the

1254
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: discovery of war and politics, So what better way to

1255
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, illustrate the discovery of something then through the

1256
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: eyes of of like a teenager who's discovering everything anyways,

1257
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And then you know, it's about a

1258
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: lot about the realities of combat, and you know, writing it,

1259
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: I also found something that I didn't intend to talk about,

1260
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: but the emotional um repression that a lot of veterans

1261
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: combat veterans do. Like how that comes to happen because

1262
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: he about first, because he's fifteen, he gets left no training,

1263
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, and he gets thrown into these situations. Um.

1264
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't like freak out in the sense he's not

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Speaker 1: crying and stuff, but he's just like, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I was when I was, you know, in eighth grade

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Speaker 1: in the school shooting, like I don't know what to do,

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Speaker 1: you know, um. And uh, then you know, people just

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Speaker 1: eventually tell him stop, you know, think about what you're

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Speaker 1: doing like all those feelings, all those things, put them away,

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Speaker 1: put them away. I put them away, you know, and um,

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Speaker 1: just just go do what you you know, you know

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Speaker 1: what you need to do, do it now. Um, And

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Speaker 1: so I talk a lot about how the well, I

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Speaker 1: don't expressly talk about it, but you see how the

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Speaker 1: long term effects of that, you know, when you're you're

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Speaker 1: constantly having to rightfully repress that stuff. And it's not

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Speaker 1: a conscious decision. I don't think you're just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll just worry about that stuff later, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then um, yeah, So I kind of talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about that, like the just how that works, I think,

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Speaker 1: and you get to see that through his his character. Um,

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Speaker 1: as time goes on. I wouldn't necessarily call it like

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Speaker 1: a super disillusionment story, because that's what it kind of

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Speaker 1: sounds like when I talked about it. But um, it's

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's been fun to write, it's not long

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Speaker 1: looking forward to reading it. It sounds like you blended

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Speaker 1: together a lot of different experiences you've had in life

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Speaker 1: in the book. At what point could we could we

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Speaker 1: see a release date around? Um, I'm hoping around a

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Speaker 1: month from now. Wow. Alright, that's quick, right, so we're

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Speaker 1: excited for that. Yeah, I was gonna say that you

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Speaker 1: could follow Luke on Twitter at and I'm not even

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Speaker 1: gonna attempt to pronounce this because it's like a take

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Speaker 1: on lay Mazera obviously, but except which ginger in there,

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Speaker 1: So I don't even know how you pronounce this lay

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Speaker 1: ginger rob all right, there you go, but but spelling

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Speaker 1: it out. Follow Follow Luke on Twitter at l E

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at Luke dot Ryan dot l l TV.

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Speaker 1: That one's a little easier at Luke dot Ryan dot

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Speaker 1: l l TB on Instagram. Uh, glad to have you on, man,

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Speaker 1: I know it was kind of last minute for you,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show, Boo guy. I mean we really just

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Speaker 1: kind of scratched the surface with a lot of these topics.

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Speaker 1: But um, it's good. I'm glad you could do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Thanks brother.

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Speaker 1: Good seeing you for the first time. Be a sky

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Speaker 1: Yeah we'll have to do it again sometime soon. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks well, great having Luke on. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at this board up here, and we have some really

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Speaker 1: awesome guests coming on for this month. George Hand will

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Speaker 1: Mike Vining will be back on, which has been in

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Speaker 1: of other guys. Amber Smith, who we had on Power

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Speaker 1: of Thought, but we um and we had a really

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Speaker 1: uh you know, we had a Skype interview with Amber

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Speaker 1: It was kind of brief. I'm looking forward to and

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Speaker 1: and by the way, that was when I would record

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Speaker 1: we didn't have so that the audio quality just fucking

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Speaker 1: sucked if you listen back to that episode. So this

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Speaker 1: did on Power of Thoughts. So looking forward to having

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Speaker 1: her just a lot of great guests. Yeah, well, dude,

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Speaker 1: this remember back when when I was recording these at

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