WEBVTT - THE LAST SOVIET - EP 2: Salyut 7

0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Mission Control just outside of Moscow. Picture of vast hall

0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.759
<v Speaker 1>with rows of desks and those massive eighties computers. It's

0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.560
<v Speaker 1>February nineteen eighty five and a few ground controllers are

0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.120
<v Speaker 1>trawling through graphs and signals sent from a space station

0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.640
<v Speaker 1>called Salute seven, the pride and joy of the Soviet

0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:41.040
<v Speaker 1>space program. Right now, Salute seven hasn't got any cosmonauts

0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.960
<v Speaker 1>on board. It's on autopilot, orbiting the Earth, waiting for

0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.879
<v Speaker 1>its next crew. So the ground control's work is fairly routine.

0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>They record data, talk about their weekend plans. But then

0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.800
<v Speaker 1>right at the end of the shift, someone notices something

0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:09.160
<v Speaker 1>weird on one of the dashboards. There's a light flashing

0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:14.040
<v Speaker 1>on the control panel, a warning light. Everyone's on their

0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.039
<v Speaker 1>feet trying to fix it, but then another light goes down,

0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and another. One by one, the whole dashboard goes dark.

0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:35.080
<v Speaker 1>A horrified silence fills the room. They've just lost the

0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:40.160
<v Speaker 1>space station. It's like a dead piece of thing in orbit.

0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.240
<v Speaker 1>That's also Sadiki, our Soviet space galu heard last time.

0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.639
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't find any kind of signal, nothing from the station.

0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.880
<v Speaker 1>It's essentially floating, spinning, probably out of control in Earth. Orbit,

0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's huge, this huge chunk of metal. If they

0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.840
<v Speaker 1>don't control it, it might fall uncontrollably uninhabited country and

0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.680
<v Speaker 1>it could land on a city, a village somewhere, and

0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.200
<v Speaker 1>so they're very afraid of that. Thousands of people could die.

0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.640
<v Speaker 1>It would be a human tragedy and a huge embarrassment

0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.520
<v Speaker 1>for the Soviet Union, and so they need to do

0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:21.520
<v Speaker 1>something that's never been done before, to land on a

0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.760
<v Speaker 1>dead object in space and out of control chunk of

0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:35.079
<v Speaker 1>metal and bring it back to life. I'm Lance Bass

0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and from Kaleidoscope. iHeart podcast and exile content. This is

0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the last Soviet as y'all know. I am obsessed with

0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.120
<v Speaker 1>space and with this one particular space movie. Houston, we

0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:57.679
<v Speaker 1>have a problem. Apollo thirteen. I freaking love this film.

0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.280
<v Speaker 1>In my books, Tom Hanks can do no wrong. Power

0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.040
<v Speaker 1>up the level three hours by the checklist. We don't

0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.120
<v Speaker 1>have that much time. It tells the story of a

0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:11.040
<v Speaker 1>space flight going seriously awry. The rescue mission became live news.

0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.280
<v Speaker 1>All of America was watching, asking themselves with the astronauts,

0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.400
<v Speaker 1>make it home alive. The Apoto thirteen to the Moon

0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.560
<v Speaker 1>is in serious jeopardy. Disasters are one of the big

0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.200
<v Speaker 1>reasons we fall in love with space. Now coming to

0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.520
<v Speaker 1>the moment, the last moments of Apolo thirteen as it

0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.480
<v Speaker 1>begins it's re entry. The best thing we can do

0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.480
<v Speaker 1>now is just to listen. I'm hopeful. The stakes could

0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.760
<v Speaker 1>not be higher, and it's all beamed into your living

0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:42.240
<v Speaker 1>room twenty four seven. They hate it. All three shoots

0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:51.080
<v Speaker 1>out great and extremely loud applause here in mission control.

0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.880
<v Speaker 1>But the story I'm about to tell you now took

0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.880
<v Speaker 1>place in complete secrecy. No one was allowed to know

0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.360
<v Speaker 1>about it. And yet it's the Soviet Union's very own

0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Apollo thirteen. And the man who would lead it from

0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the ground Yep, you guessed it, Sergey Krekolev. In our

0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.880
<v Speaker 1>last episode, we left our cosmonaut in nineteen sixty one,

0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.720
<v Speaker 1>aged three, the Soviet Union was still recovering from the

0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.360
<v Speaker 1>wreckage of World War Two, but they'd beat the Germans

0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and now, against all the odds, they'd conquered space too. O.

0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Space was going to be the future of the Soviet Union,

0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and that generation who grew up in the nineteen sixties

0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.039
<v Speaker 1>were really sort of, I think, encouraged to think in

0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.279
<v Speaker 1>utopian terms. The Soviet Union putting the first person in

0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.719
<v Speaker 1>space was the defining moment of Saragey's childhood, and there

0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.160
<v Speaker 1>was a sense that this was just the beginning of

0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:08.160
<v Speaker 1>space exploration, of the Soviet Union's rise on the global stage.

0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.320
<v Speaker 1>All Russia's just wild about. Jurica got in, first man,

0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:16.640
<v Speaker 1>took conquer space. Please. For Sarah Gay, life's possibilities must

0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.000
<v Speaker 1>have seemed endless. So I think it's very much part

0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.040
<v Speaker 1>of his DNA and that generation in particular, growing up

0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.320
<v Speaker 1>in the sixties and seventies as children and then as

0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.920
<v Speaker 1>young teams, to be immersed in that world of future

0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.760
<v Speaker 1>oriented thinking about the Soviet Union. Future oriented things are

0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:39.880
<v Speaker 1>good and you only expect them to get better now.

0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.919
<v Speaker 1>If you grew up in the United States during the

0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.440
<v Speaker 1>tail end of the Cold War, like me, I know

0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.800
<v Speaker 1>what you're thinking, you'd have been fed the same propaganda

0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.320
<v Speaker 1>that the Soviet Union was a cold, gray place where

0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.400
<v Speaker 1>kids go hungry. Well, in the sixties, that was more

0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.440
<v Speaker 1>likely to be true of America. Seventy three percent of

0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.799
<v Speaker 1>all Clay County families received less than three thousand dollars.

0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.880
<v Speaker 1>They're very young, their mothers, the aged are the most

0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.760
<v Speaker 1>numerous inhabitants of this permanent culture of poverty. Yep, Because

0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.440
<v Speaker 1>in the Soviet Union, basic stuff, food, a roof over

0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.839
<v Speaker 1>your head that was all provided for by the state.

0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Whether in Communist headquarters in Odessa on the Black Sea

0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.400
<v Speaker 1>or in the Hermitage art gallery in Leningrad, every activity

0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.480
<v Speaker 1>is controlled by directives that originate under the gold domes

0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.400
<v Speaker 1>of the Kremlin. So if you're Saragai, a young boy

0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.120
<v Speaker 1>coming of age in Leningrad in the sixties and seventies,

0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.880
<v Speaker 1>things would have seemed pretty good. He didn't grow up

0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.479
<v Speaker 1>in luxury, but it was a care free environment. He

0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.960
<v Speaker 1>knew everything was going to be just fine. He went

0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to school, he went swimming, he joined the city's gymnastics

0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.000
<v Speaker 1>team and the local airplane club, all for free and

0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.560
<v Speaker 1>in a spare time. He was doing what all the

0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.120
<v Speaker 1>other kids were doing. In the Soviet Union, he would

0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:04.040
<v Speaker 1>have been leading the same kinds of exciting popular science

0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.400
<v Speaker 1>fiction novels titles like Hard to Be a God, The

0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Land of Crimson Clouds, The Man from Mars. It was

0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:21.800
<v Speaker 1>all about space, limitless possibility, utopia, and not just in

0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the pages of his books. He would have grown up

0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.960
<v Speaker 1>watching these hero cosmonauts being eulogized he was proud of

0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.680
<v Speaker 1>fellow cosmonauts and Russell and doing amazing things in outer space.

0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.440
<v Speaker 1>After Gagarin, the USSR just kept beating the Americans to it.

0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.600
<v Speaker 1>First probe to Mars, landing on Mars by an unmanned

0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.080
<v Speaker 1>space probe from US. First woman in space, space girl,

0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Valentina Tereshkova. There's one of place in history. First person

0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.559
<v Speaker 1>to walk in open space. Man for the first time

0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:56.800
<v Speaker 1>has stepped forth into the emptiness of space. Okay, the

0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Americans got to the Moon in nineteen sixty nine, obviously

0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a big deal, but the Soviets were working on something bigger,

0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a permanent home in space, a space station where cosmonauts

0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.120
<v Speaker 1>can go live and actually do some science. The Soviets

0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.600
<v Speaker 1>wanted to spend months up there, maybe eventually forever. It

0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.240
<v Speaker 1>looked like a weird lego tube with solar panel wings.

0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.960
<v Speaker 1>They call it Salute one, and over the next decade

0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.880
<v Speaker 1>they upgraded it with better and better versions, Salute two,

0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Salute three, kind of like iPhones, until they got the

0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:44.079
<v Speaker 1>best version yet, Salute seven. The Americans were jealous, they

0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.400
<v Speaker 1>had nothing like it. Once again, the Soviets were winning,

0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's in this atmosphere that Sarage finished school and

0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.880
<v Speaker 1>decided he too wants to become a cosmonaut to go

0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and live on a Soviet space station. And so we

0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.480
<v Speaker 1>went to an engine a university and in nineteen eighty

0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.480
<v Speaker 1>one he graduated top of his class, and because of

0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.559
<v Speaker 1>that he was chosen to work for a very special place,

0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the same place that designed the first space satellite, the

0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:18.920
<v Speaker 1>first spaceship carrying the first man, a place called Anarkia.

0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Sarage starts out working on instruction manuals for cosmonauts, not

0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the most exciting work, but it will come in handy

0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.880
<v Speaker 1>because one day in February nineteen eighty five, Serge gets

0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a call the space station Salume seven. It's lost power.

0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.959
<v Speaker 1>It's dead. If we don't rescue it, the Americans will

0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.640
<v Speaker 1>overtake us and win the space race. So here's the plan.

0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.959
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of crazy. We're going to send two cosmonauts

0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to this dead thing and try to turn the power

0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.800
<v Speaker 1>back on. But we don't really know how to do

0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it because it's never been done before. So we need

0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.720
<v Speaker 1>someone who can figure out how to do it, someone

0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to lead a mission from the ground, someone who knows

0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the station back to front, and we're thinking this could

0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:41.160
<v Speaker 1>be you. June sixth, nineteen eighty five, ten forty am

0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Mission Control, a loud, ominous rumbling starts up on Sarage's radio.

0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a sound of a rocket taking off. Two cosmouts

0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:57.160
<v Speaker 1>are launching into space to the dead, empty station. Sarah

0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.640
<v Speaker 1>has got a big job ahead of it in about

0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.560
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours, the time it'll take to reach Earth's orbit.

0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.319
<v Speaker 1>He's gonna have to tell these two cosmonauts how they're

0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.680
<v Speaker 1>going to do this thing no one's ever done before.

0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.240
<v Speaker 1>How to land on a dead station. Usually landing on

0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a working station is the easy bed. It's all done automatically.

0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.920
<v Speaker 1>But this station is dead, and that means Sarage has

0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.240
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to do it manually. How to

0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.120
<v Speaker 1>land on the station with nothing to tell you the way,

0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the speed, the angle. It's a bit like driving a

0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:35.480
<v Speaker 1>race car at night with no lights, no markers, but

0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Saragey is on it. He goes into a simulator, a

0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of fake spaceship. It's the same thing I trained on.

0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.360
<v Speaker 1>It literally looks and feels like a real spaceship, but

0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it's set up in a warehouse on Earth. The next

0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.959
<v Speaker 1>best thing to being in space, so he starts practicing

0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.480
<v Speaker 1>how to get the tiny ship to spend at the

0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.000
<v Speaker 1>same angle as the station, how to get the right speed,

0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and his accuracy has to be exact. If he's off

0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.960
<v Speaker 1>by an inch millimeters, even the rocket will crash into

0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the station and explode. The cosmonauts are dead. He tries

0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:15.800
<v Speaker 1>again and again and again, failing and failing, until he's

0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.760
<v Speaker 1>got it. He races back to mission control, calls up

0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to the cosmonauts and tells them this is how you

0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.280
<v Speaker 1>do it. It's now or never. Hundreds of miles away,

0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the cosmonauts can see the looming bulk of the station

0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:35.760
<v Speaker 1>through their porthole. It's spinning out of control, a twenty

0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.040
<v Speaker 1>ton chunk of metals, and they're approaching it fast. At

0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:45.959
<v Speaker 1>eighteen thousand miles an hour. Sarah Gey feels his breathing accelerate.

0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:52.160
<v Speaker 1>At any moment, ground control could lose contact. You can

0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:59.760
<v Speaker 1>imagine him shutting his eyes, hoping, praying, and then a

0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:09.320
<v Speaker 1>juttering sound like something's wrong with the radio stating five seconds,

0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:17.520
<v Speaker 1>four seconds, three seconds, two seconds, and then he hears it.

0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:25.920
<v Speaker 1>The cosmonauts voices on the radio they'd made it, but

0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Sarage knows it's just the beginning. The cosmonauts still have

0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to enter the ship, find the root of the problem,

0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and bring the station back to life. And they've got

0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:45.760
<v Speaker 1>no idea what they're going to find inside. They didn't know,

0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.840
<v Speaker 1>for example, if the entire station was filled with toxic gases.

0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't know if the station was frozen, they didn't

0:13:55.800 --> 0:14:00.240
<v Speaker 1>know if the station was cracked. They had no idea.

0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.480
<v Speaker 1>If you open the hatch and there's a big chunk

0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:10.160
<v Speaker 1>of ice, you know, what would you do if you

0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:14.680
<v Speaker 1>open the hatch and the led screens are broken, cracked,

0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and there's glass, what do you do? They opened the

0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.840
<v Speaker 1>hatch and very gingerly, wanting to the what's called a

0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:34.320
<v Speaker 1>transfer compartment, and they slowly, gingerly again opened another hatch

0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:41.800
<v Speaker 1>into the main compartment. And one of the things that

0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I think both cosmonauts remember is that everything was just

0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:58.040
<v Speaker 1>dead silence. They'd never been in space before in a

0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.080
<v Speaker 1>completely silent environment, because when you're in a spaceship, things

0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.600
<v Speaker 1>are worrying and clicking and moving and things like that.

0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.320
<v Speaker 1>It's dead silence, a silence that I don't think any

0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:15.440
<v Speaker 1>human being had ever really heard. It's an outer space

0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're moving in this dead, dark, pitch black space

0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:29.800
<v Speaker 1>station in utter silence. It's also freezing everything. The walls,

0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the panels are covered in a sheet of ice. They

0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.320
<v Speaker 1>move by touch. They have flashlights, of course, and they

0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.080
<v Speaker 1>eventually figure out the lay of the lent. Through the

0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.920
<v Speaker 1>weak beams of their torches. They can just about make

0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.120
<v Speaker 1>out the station's long cavernous corridors, filled with lifeless equipment

0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and reams of wires. Serage instructs them to work very carefully.

0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.320
<v Speaker 1>All the batteries they check. They have these instruments, you know,

0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:05.120
<v Speaker 1>zero volte zibol, zero volt, etc. All the batteries are dead.

0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.920
<v Speaker 1>And remember it's really cold, so they can't spend too

0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.240
<v Speaker 1>long on the station. And every time, you know, they

0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.360
<v Speaker 1>go in there and they come back and they're completely

0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:26.120
<v Speaker 1>freezing on the ground. And the Soviet press this mission

0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.240
<v Speaker 1>was really downplayed. They didn't even say it was a

0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.160
<v Speaker 1>rescue mission at all, just routine going up there and

0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.360
<v Speaker 1>doing some science experiments. In fact, they had a press conference,

0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a video press conference from space during their mission, these

0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 1>two cosmonauts, and they were told to take off their

0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 1>warm clothes, like their hats and gloves and whatever, because

0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.800
<v Speaker 1>people would be wondering why they're wearing this in space.

0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.320
<v Speaker 1>So for the duration of the conference, you know, however

0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.400
<v Speaker 1>long twenty minutes or so, they were extremely cold, but

0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.640
<v Speaker 1>pretending everything's fine. The idea is that nothing ever goes

0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.720
<v Speaker 1>wrong in the Soviet space That's right, nothing ever goes

0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.080
<v Speaker 1>wrong in the Soviet space program, or in the Soviet economy,

0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:14.399
<v Speaker 1>or in Soviet society. The system was flawless, that was

0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the party line, and the cosmonauts freezing their asses off,

0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:28.399
<v Speaker 1>had to stick it out. The cosmonauts spend days working

0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.879
<v Speaker 1>in pitch black, subzero temperatures trying to find a working

0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.399
<v Speaker 1>power source. These kind of situations where everything has going sideways,

0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.560
<v Speaker 1>is what they train you for as a cosmonaut. When

0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I was training, we ran drills where things went perfectly,

0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.960
<v Speaker 1>but I would say eighty percent of the time we

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>were practicing for when things went wrong. But it still

0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't prepare you fully. So for a long time there's nothing.

0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.960
<v Speaker 1>But then finally Sage sees a small number of lights

0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.880
<v Speaker 1>begin to flicker. The crew had managed to reactivate one

0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.200
<v Speaker 1>of the solar panels. This means the station finally has

0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 1>some power. It's gonna be okay. They can save the station.

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Mission control erupts an ecstatic applause. Saragey finds himself being

0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.399
<v Speaker 1>wrapped into hugs, kissed on the cheeks. Mob This is

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a unique, unique event in the history of space exploration

0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.160
<v Speaker 1>where the crew essentially brought their spaceship to a dead

0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.840
<v Speaker 1>object and space and revived the whole thing within weeks.

0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Saragey had done the near impossible. He saved the station.

0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.000
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't going to be a national hero like a

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.159
<v Speaker 1>garden raiding through Red Square. The whole thing was top secret,

0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.560
<v Speaker 1>but he was going to get a reward. I don't

0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's a coincidence that very soon after the mission

0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.440
<v Speaker 1>he gets assigned to a crew, a crew to actually

0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.000
<v Speaker 1>go to space see the Earth from above, float around

0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and zero gravity. His dream, the one he's had since

0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 1>he was a little boy, was finally about to come true.

0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I think for Krakalio, I think it might have seemed

0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.520
<v Speaker 1>when he's assigned to his first mission. My guess is,

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, the future is bright, and who knows what's ahead.

0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.359
<v Speaker 1>That's the boundless future. But I think we have a

0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.679
<v Speaker 1>better sense of it now that some of this stuff

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.200
<v Speaker 1>was just kind of the last gasp, the last gasp

0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:32.160
<v Speaker 1>of a collapsing superpower. The Soviet Union then was frozen.

0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.679
<v Speaker 1>The economy who was grinding to a halt. It was

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.280
<v Speaker 1>a time of total stagnation. Nothing was changing, and if

0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it didn't change soon, it would come crashing down. That's Sergechmimon.

0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>He's a reporter for the New York Times. In nineteen

0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.360
<v Speaker 1>eighty he was working as a journalist in South Africa

0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.320
<v Speaker 1>when he was told by his editor, we want you

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.479
<v Speaker 1>to go and cover Moscow from the peak of summer

0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.919
<v Speaker 1>to the depth of winter. Serge and his family stopped

0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>over in Helsinki and bought warm clothes, then took a

0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.520
<v Speaker 1>slow train to Moscow on New Year's Eve. We had

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.440
<v Speaker 1>one kind of beer to celebrate, and if the train

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>was empty, nobody was traveling. On New Year's night, December

0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 1>thirty first, early in the morning on January first, they

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.679
<v Speaker 1>pulled into Moscow Central Station. It was dead. Everybody was

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 1>asleep after a night of revelry. Dawn was just breaking

0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and the station clock tower was bathed in this beautiful

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.520
<v Speaker 1>golden light, and the square was covered in a fresh

0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.720
<v Speaker 1>layer of untouched snow. It was like a storybook. Moscow

0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a storybook Moscow. But soon enough reality hit. Shops were

0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 1>largely empty. You know, there was very little. There was

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.919
<v Speaker 1>you could survive. There was spread, there was me, but

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it was all on an elemental level, the bare minimum,

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 1>because by the eighties the Soviet economy had stopped working

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for decades. All decisions about what to spend and how

0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.080
<v Speaker 1>much to produce were made in a single office building

0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:20.399
<v Speaker 1>in Moscow for millions of people. And while these bureaucrats

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 1>in this office building put a ton of money towards

0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>flashy space projects, they didn't pay much attention to how

0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.959
<v Speaker 1>people were going to feed themselves. And eventually, by the

0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>eighties this caught up with him. The system had become

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:40.800
<v Speaker 1>inefficient and corrupt. The Soviet Union couldn't produce enough grain

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 1>to feed its own population. There were chronic shortages all around.

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Look look how expensive these carrots are, and there's nothing

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:54.280
<v Speaker 1>else in this stage store. But when things did occasionally appear,

0:21:54.720 --> 0:22:01.160
<v Speaker 1>people went nuts. This could be toilet paper, this could

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:05.959
<v Speaker 1>be you know, toothpaste, it could be anything. News spread fast.

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.439
<v Speaker 1>Your neighbor would tell you, Hey, there's a cheese delivery

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.200
<v Speaker 1>at the store two streets over. You'd stop whatever you're

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 1>doing and go. People whould rush to the store in

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>line up. People spend up to three hours a day

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.800
<v Speaker 1>waiting in line. The longest lines are at the vodka shops.

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.119
<v Speaker 1>So there was you know, like an army of people

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 1>who walked around Moscow all day trying to find things

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to buy and getting in line. And I would join

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:35.439
<v Speaker 1>those lines. The Soviet system was at breaking point, but

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.879
<v Speaker 1>people felt like they couldn't do anything about it. You

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>had absolutely no saying politics and who ran your country

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:45.560
<v Speaker 1>and who ran your life, and to think about it,

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it was dangerous. Surges storybook Moscow turned

0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.119
<v Speaker 1>into a nightmare, and this was very bad news for

0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Serage as well, because if there was no money and

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.399
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union, then there was no money for the

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 1>space program, and that meant his dream of going to

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 1>space might be over before it had even begun. It

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.200
<v Speaker 1>seemed that the country was stuck, that nothing would change,

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but then it did. This time, the Soviet seemed to

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.040
<v Speaker 1>have opted for a long term change. The man who

0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.719
<v Speaker 1>took charge within hours of Constantine Chernienko's death, the new

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Soviet leader, Michael Go Mikhail Gorbach Mikhael Get used to

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the name Mika in the mid eighties, the gray suit

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 1>of bureaucrats who had been running the country for decades

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 1>began to well die off, one by one in quick succession.

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Andrewpov Chernenko, people you'd probably never heard of footnotes in history.

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Another Soviet leader who was too old and too sick

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 1>when he took power to hold on to it has died.

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And then they chose a great and sort of fateful act.

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>They chose a young man, well educated, well spoken, charming,

0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 1>smile Mikhail Gorbachev. Get used to the name Mikhail. He

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>presented himself differently to the very formal, stuffy leaders that

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>came before. He's got charisma, I mean, he's got charisma,

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Western style, much more aware of Soviet weaknesses, much more

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 1>open to new ideas by Soviet standards. He was revolutionary.

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:57.879
<v Speaker 1>It was an almost immediate and Emma say, enormously exciting change.

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>The change Gorbach would bring to the Soviet Union was seisman.

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>This is the story of the emergence of Michael Segeevich Gorbachev,

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 1>of the most sweeping changes in the Soviet Union since

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the Russian Revolution. In February nineteen eighty six, he delivered

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 1>a speech that shook the country. Gaim was that we

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 1>had to reform the way we live, to reform the

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>way we live in order to survive, to survive as

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union, and the reform had to be radical

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 1>from the bottom up. Gorbachev said that the people should

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>be able to speak their minds, that people should be

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 1>able to make money. He called it pedistroica, a restructuring

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and Glasnos openness is something like fresh It's a great treaty.

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 1>I think that Rosness is a st step to us.

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Site it was an earthquake, it was a daily earthquake.

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>For the first time, you could start your own business.

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.120
<v Speaker 1>And so suddenly bakeries appeared in Moscow and you could

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>go get fresh bread. Things appeared that people could sell,

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 1>little shops appeared, kiosks in the street. Culture opened up. Suddenly,

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 1>every TV station is being more candid, is showing more.

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>The girl singing in Moscow and the boy singing in

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Minneapolis reached out, slipped just a little and seemed to

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>hold hands while half a world apart. And you're coming

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>out of that system where everything was controlled to an

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 1>incredible degree, and especially when it's out of that period

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of stagnation, when there was nothing fun on TV, nothing interesting,

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of variety shows where sixty year old veterans singing

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>some old ballad, some old patriotic ballad, and suddenly these

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 1>things are happening. American movies made it to Moscow in

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the past. Now you Rambo Star Wars. You should not

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>have come back, James Bond. I've looked forward to this moment,

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>mister Bond. There was so much demand. And then to

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>enjoy it to the full, some savvy entrepreneurs powered and

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>copies and set up makeshift movie theaters and their apartments.

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>You could speak, you could buy, you could think. I mean,

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>all these things that had been under a cloud were

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>now out in the open. There was a sense that,

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, the system was changing, and that change encompassed

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>everything from how you did your shopping to the space program.

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>The space program that in nineteen eighty five did still

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>have its space station, It's crown jewel, but had no

0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>more money. The country was in such bad shape the

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>government could no longer afford displourage on space. This was

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>not just a practical matter, It was a question of

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>national identity. The cosmonauts became real heroes. Utika guide in

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>the first men in space. So there was great pride

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>in this program. It showed that Russia, the Soviet Union,

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 1>that the Soviet people were ahead of the West in

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 1>something that is so kind of advanced and dramatic and romantic.

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>But now there was no more money to fund this

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>dramatic and romantic cornerstone of Soviet identity. No breaking the

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>next frontier, no inspiring the Soviet people, no future, and

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>no future for the program meant no future for our man, Saragey.

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>But Gorbachev had an idea, an idea of how to

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>save the mighty but crumbling space program to sell Soviet

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>space services globally on the commercial market. Yep. Gorbachev's big

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>idea was capitalism. After decades of keeping everything under wraps,

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the Soviets were now going to say to the world,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>our space program is open for business. We'll launch your

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>satellites for you. So you could pay X million dollars,

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>deliver your satellite to the Soviets and they would launch

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>it into space. We can also sell you some of

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>our world class equipment, things no other space programs have.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And this should have been an extremely attractive sales pitch

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>for countries that don't have their own space programs. But

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>there's one big problem. Of course, they don't understand a

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>thing about capitalism, or markets or anything. The Soviets weren't

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>great at making high tech stuff, but after years of

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>living under communism, they were not so good at selling things,

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>marketing advertising. But then they finally come up with a plan,

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a plan that would totally change the space program and

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>give our man Sarage a chance to fulfill his dream.

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Decades before Elon Musk, the Soviets started thinking, what if

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>we sell seats to go to space, invite people into

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the heart of the Soviet program, train them, fly them

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>up there, in other words, space tourism. There was the

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>idea that would eventually lead me Lance Bass to go

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to Russia and train to be a cosmo. The first

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>country wanting to buy the Soviet services Japan. They sent

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>a TV journalist to the Soviet Union to fly with

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the cosmonauts. They were so desperate for money, the Soviets

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>agreed that the rocket could be sponsored by Japanese brands,

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a pharmaceutical company, a manufactor of sanitary towels, and a

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>maker of karaoke equipment. The deal was worth twelve million

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars pretty good, but it wasn't enough, so the Soviets

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>decided to go bigger. They were going to create a

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>contest to try to find the best person in an

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>entire country to go to space. I was driving my

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>car home from work and flicking through the stations trying

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to find some music, and I heard an announcement as

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>posed an advert really, and it started off with astronaut wanted,

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>no experience necessary. In the next episode, this unassuming British

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>woman travels to Russia like me, trained to be a

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>cosmonaut and flies with Serge on the mission he almost

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't come home from. That's next time on The Last Soviet.

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>The Last Soviet is a Kaleidoscope production in partnership with

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>iHeart Podcast and Exile Media, produced by Sama's Dad Audio

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and hosted by me Lance Bass Executive produced by Kate

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Osbourne and mangesh Hada Kadoor with Oz Wallisham and Kostas

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Linos from iHeart Executive produced by Katrina Norvelle and Nikki

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Ettore from Sama's Dad Audio Our executive producers or Joe

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Sykes and Dasha Lisitzina. Produced by Asia Fuchs, Dasha Litzitzena,

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and Joe Sykes, writing by Lydia Marchant, research by Mika

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Golubovski and Molly Schwartz, music by Will Epstein, themed by

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Martin or String, sound designed by Richard Ward and special

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>things to Nando via Lyssa Pollock, Will Pearson, Connel Byrne,

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Bob Pittman, and Isaac Lead If you want to hear

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>more shows like this, nothing is more important to the

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>creators here at Kaleidoscope than subscribers, ratings, and reviews, so

0:32:52.400 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>please spread the love wherever you listen and number