WEBVTT - Loud, Live and in Her Glory w/ Ts Madison 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:05.240 Welcome to the Laverne Cox Show, a production of Shonda 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:12.079 Land Audio in partnership with My Heart Radio. Honey, is 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.400 it all? Is it all? Honey? Is this miss recording? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.239 What's up? YouTube? Land, Twitter and Instagram, last, Snapchat, Crown, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.159 the Scruff, b GC Jack, Facebook, Periscope, and less but 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.119 not least, every single one of my bitches Chorus, San 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.159 Mingo and the lands all across the land. This is 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.360 your grol T. S. Madison and I'm coming to you loud, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.159 live and always unfailor in color from the marvelous Chateau. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.360 I feel like my day is a complain if I 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:47.599 have not heard you say that. Hello everyone, and welcome 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.560 to the Laverne Cox Show. There's something about a really 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:58.160 good catchphrase, and today's guest has so many, so many 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.760 of them. I am so ex ight it. I'm going 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.640 to be speaking with T. S. Madison, a woman who 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.960 has inspired me, who has cracked me up for years, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.759 and I just think it's a genius of personal branding 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.919 and just a superstar. T. S. Madison is an openly 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.840 transgender entertainer, social media personality, entrepreneur, and l g B 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.839 t Q plus activist. Tis Madison has worked her ass 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.080 off for decades to create her own platform. She became 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.920 a YouTube sensation as the co host of The Queen's 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.839 Supreme Court, and now it's the star of the new 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.040 we TV show, The T. S. Madison Experience. Please enjoy 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:44.920 my conversation with T. S. Madison. Hello, T. S. Madison, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.960 and welcome to the podcast. How are you feeling today? Girl? 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.360 Over Cox Honey, the inventor of all the things. I 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.840 am sitting here with you. Girl. It is time. It 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.440 is so overdue. It's so overdue. We should let the 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.240 people know. Recording this on March fifth, the day after 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.600 the premiere of The T. S. Madison Experience on we TV. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.760 And how do you feel about the first episode? How 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.239 do you feel? This is so the long time coming? 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:15.120 But today I'm really like a producer Laverne, you know 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.800 the first time when you when you produce your show, 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.120 like you like, what are the numbers and what are 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.560 they saying? And what's the feedback? And how do the 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.000 people like it? God? I still I'm doing all this pressed. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.160 It's it's a lot. You know. I don't know how 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.960 you've done it for so many years, because we've all 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:38.760 watched the Laverne Cox experience. I can't tell you, Maddie, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.880 I've been perpetually exhausted for like eight years. But I'm saying, no, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.919 the more things that I can have a little bit 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.960 more time to myself. You have to find your time 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.440 to recharge. You have to find your time to like 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.440 right now, isn't that time right the wave now? No, 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.840 this is definitely not not the time. And I'm gonna 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.880 do the best that i can to my energy high. 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.560 And I want to say this though, I want to 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:13.240 say thank you for unscrewing the door and leaving it open. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.000 And one thing that Funky Dyneva says all the time 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:22.000 is that when we occupied spaces as LBGT plus people, 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.200 we can't go in there and up the thing. How 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.440 do you have to make sure that you do it 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.960 and leave the door open for other people to come 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.240 behind you? And and and we have to go in 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.880 there with grace and dignity and all of this stuff. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:41.480 And I'm gonna share a little bit. Mm hmm, girl, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:48.600 Why y'all got the glad police on me? I didn't 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.600 have the Glad police is on you? Girl? What what's 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.480 going on with the team? No, they're good. No, they're 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.320 really good. Like I know, I'm just I'm I'm making 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.040 a joke out of it. It's it's really good. Like 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.720 they want to pr train you and stuff to make 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.280 sure because of our list. Listen, it's no secret hood. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:03.680 I'm a loud, loving and color and you know, I 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.840 don't give a day. I'm sometimes but I have found 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.880 out that in this process right now and going on 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:15.320 this place, that the responsibility that that you have as 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.960 a as a torchbearer, it can be a little bit overwhelming, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.400 a little bit, you know, because like you you have 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.760 to be very careful about stuff that you say, because 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.840 you know, you don't just represent yourself anymore. You represent 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:33.400 a plethora of people, not only LBGT plus people, black people, 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.840 you know, women and women. Can I tell you that pressure? 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.200 I mean for me, it really hit in twenty fourteen, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.400 It really hit Ineen when after the Katie Kirk interview 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.839 after Time magazine cover. But I think we're in a 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.880 new space now. I don't know when I think we 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.599 have to let that go because I think we have 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.800 to be responsible for our community. But I think now 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.640 with you and there's so many trance people out there 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.240 now on TV right so You don't have to represent 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.800 the whole community. You can represent you and you. You're hilarious. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.880 You know, I've been watching you for years, girl, so 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.360 I and I still watch you, and I can. I 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.800 can sit and watch T. S. Madison in the car 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:19.080 ordering going to like McDonald's or whatever, ordering food. I love. 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.840 It's such a trance thing that, like, so when you're talking, 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.680 you know, you're talking in the car and all of 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.119 a sudden you're on the intercom, Hi, can I please 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.960 order a you know, two piece with It's just that 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.040 never gets old either. There's just so many things they clocked, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.839 that voice hone you, that drives through how do you 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.840 may get up? You may get some floor on your hamburger, girl, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.719 your hamburger birl may start and tasting like You're like, 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.960 you want this ship taste like the floor? What did 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.200 they do to my hamburger? There's just so many nuances 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:53.280 like it is the most entertaining thing ever. T. S. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:06:01.119 Madison after Dark is my favorite. Shout out to Litanya girl. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.159 The stories I live for the stories of of the 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.120 trade and the clients, and I live for all of it. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.800 We need this, we need and we needed for a 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.920 very long time, and I think the beautiful thing is 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.039 is that now the world is ready. And I think 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.120 when I said this to Billy Porter, we were talking 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.480 a few weeks ago, and I said, it's still beautiful 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.080 that you're still alive and that you survived because the 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.119 world has caught up to you. And Madison, the world 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.440 has caught up to you. We don't have to be 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.040 in this respectability politics anymore. And that's really why I 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.839 wanted to have this conversation today. And for me it 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.960 was you. You have to look at it to lavern 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:44.640 my entrance into uh mainstream visibility because you know, I've 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.960 been an underground girl for a long time, but my 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.720 interest into that was just me selling a product. When 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.520 I was doing the little vines, it was just me 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.039 selling the product at the time in the business that 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.440 I was in. We should clarify for the audience that 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.040 I don't think you'll mind me saying it. Maddie has 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.080 a history and sex work and she um started her 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.640 own porn business and turned it out, and like you were, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:11.000 you were peaking at that time too, like Boom, and 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.760 they were tearing me up like all honey, you are 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.360 trash and la Vernes queen and your this and the other, 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.320 and I'm like, I'm not trying to be like like 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.280 we're all different, Like why can't I not celebrate my 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.600 sister who's paving the way for something I may occupied 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.120 this space. I don't know, why would y'all do that? 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.640 And the gaggy is Laverne loves the t S. The 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.440 t S loves Laverne, and she knows that we are 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:43.120 polar opposites, but we are the same. So we got 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.800 that's the piece. It's like when I I was watching 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.040 the show last night, I was like, yes, Mattie and 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.560 I on the service. To me, it seemed completely different. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.960 But I'm from Alabama, I have a religious mother, I 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.720 grew up in the church. I am a block transplant. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.400 There's so many things that we have in common. It's 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.680 very different and path and like, but for the grace 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.120 of God, I may have been having to do what 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.480 you were doing, you know, on the stroll in Miami 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.960 and in Atlanta. But it's all good. It's all good. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.559 And what I love about your history and sex work 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.760 is that you're open and honest about it. You tell 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.360 the truth about It's like their stories or legendary and 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.640 I'm so happy that you survived it. But then I 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.160 think that it's so important that you you You were like, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.400 I need to be the boss. I need to be 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.760 the one producing these videos. I need to be the 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.720 one distributing them, because that's where the money is. Can 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.120 you talk to us about when when it clicked for 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:34.840 you that you were like, Okay, I need to be 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.240 the boss of this and not be, you know, just 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.079 used by these other people who are really making the 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.200 real money. When I actually sat back and I watched 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:50.280 the way that can I be candid leavern girl? I 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.160 want you to I want you here to be fully 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.320 you and do you? Yes, girl, relax and do you 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.600 She gave me permission. Okay, listen, when I saw all 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.160 those white companies pimping out, and I do feel I 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.960 don't want to say pimping out heavy because you know, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.679 we go in knowing that we need to start somewhere, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.800 But I'm saying pimping out, Like, girl, we work for 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:20.240 these people, like our black skin is so expensive. It 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.480 is expensive. Our black skin is powerful, Our black skin 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.680 is like the money maker. And you get us and 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:34.600 you give us quarters, pennies, nickels on the dollar, to 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.760 bear our nude bodies to perform in in in the video. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.040 You own all the rights, you own this stuff, and 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.960 then you market the white girl as better than us. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.679 And this is no shade to my to my white sisters, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.120 but you market the white girl better than us. This 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.600 art here, this is God. And you know those are 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.360 those girls, and I know you may not. This is 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.040 the niche if like this go down, if you want 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.480 to go down this dark place over here, you're gonna 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.280 like these girls too. But this is what they were 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.959 buying over here, these the black girls, and you were 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:18.280 using this money to make the white girls look look sickly, No, ma'am. Yeah. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.000 And that's why I'm so passionate about that, because I 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.040 need them to understand that I walked into a white 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:31.760 world and told them, Now, Madison, when you come do 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:33.800 this scene? You know, would you come do this or 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:38.200 would you would you film this? And you now, and 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.400 if I do, this is what I want. I want. 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.319 I want money on the front end. I want money 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.360 on the back end. I want producer rights, I want 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.199 distribution rights. I want to be able to have residual 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.240 income from this stuff. Should I pass away right now, 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.200 my mother can have money, my brothers can have money, whatever. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.559 And it was very much like, how does she know about? 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.480 How does she know this? How does she know? You know? Um? 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.400 I was introduced to Phil his name is Phil when 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.800 he was the owner of Evasive Angles and he evasive. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:22.800 He's um sin white man. He had never produced trans films. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.520 They said, I have been watching you here in Atlanta, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:30.559 like your videos outstaill mine and mine are high, high produced. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.559 I said, well, I understand my audience for one, and 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.600 for two, what you produced don't look like me. And 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.000 what you have to understand is I know you're coming 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.360 down here to sail to an urban market. I got 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.680 there a lot, baby. I don't work to beat out. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.000 I've been on the chat line. I don't dealt with 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.760 the trade. I know what what they like. I know 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:01.800 what men who are attracted to plus size black women 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.000 what they're gonna like on a plus size black trans woman. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.040 It felt home to a lot of black men when 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.400 I was, you know, making those films, because that's t Shirt, 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.640 that's Kinika, that's Tasha. You know that I put to 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.400 school with her up to really understanding when I'm hearing, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.640 is that a person who really who learned the market 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.160 the hard way, and then it was like, Okay, this 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.920 is the market. I'm going to produce a product for 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.120 that market. This is it's capitalism. And what I just 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.840 love about it is that you have always been a businesswoman. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.200 And when you when I became aware of you was 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.480 when your vine went viral new Weave twenty two inches. Yeah, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.240 and literally a girlfriend of mine showed that we are 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:46.840 having a group text and a girlfriend and I was like, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.320 I was like, what's going on? And I looked you 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.280 up and then there were videos, a bunch of videos, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.320 and I found out who you were. That was that 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.280 when that vine went viral? Was that intentional? Was that? 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:00.880 And then how are you able to capitalized on that 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:06.080 vine going viral? Like because I knew you made money? No, Lavernion, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.800 it actually was not intentional. I stumbled across a social 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.000 site where I saw people putting up a little six 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:19.640 second videos and I initially started out funny, even hilarious. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.480 It's hilarious, girl. Yes, I remember the first vine that 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.520 I ever put up. It was when Beyonce was pregnant, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.960 and I remember me putting this thing on my stomach 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.120 and me sitting down and and like reenacting when she 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.400 sat now on a talk show she was doing. And 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.240 I just there was one vine that I put up, girl, 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.040 it ain't really getting no traction. It was a little people, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.800 you know, laughing and joking at it. But I started 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.160 scrolling through vine and I said, wait a minute, they 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.120 have after dark. What is this? So I clicked the 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.760 hashtag and I'm looking at the hashtag. I was like, wait, 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:06.560 are they nude on't here? Okay, I'm typing away, researching 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.440 like how how many clicks does this kid? And how 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.080 does this is this marketable? Oh? Here we go. Let 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.080 me promote my website. So that's all it was for me. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:18.640 So I did it. I had no idea what was 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:24.280 gonna happen. And now way were now just yes, boom, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:29.440 just boom it just Laverty was boom huge. And so 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.520 some boys from New Orleans and some I don't want 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.760 to call them trade, but honey, they got those tendencies. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:43.840 Some boys from New Orleans stumbled across it and reposted 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.720 it and and typed in the caption this right here, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:15:04.320 how does this woman have a dick? How's that for 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.680 a little true after tiny break, We've got more for you. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:24.840 We are back picking up where we left. That's what 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:30.160 it was. How does this woman have a day? And 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:35.920 I promise you it was them reposting that. Let me 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.800 title it right, How does this fat woman have a dick? 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.920 Oh my god, it was insane. It was like crazy. 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.080 I woke up the next morning and it was like, 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:53.680 all this stuff is everywhere, like everywhere. So the boy 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.920 who reposted it, he had came up with all of 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.360 these I think that they may translate to transphobic slurs, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.880 but he came up with this. He called me a sugar. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:07.960 Oh my god, I heard all of them sugar. And 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.280 so he went on this tirade like wearing me out. 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.840 But the more he wore me out, the more that 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.960 it started to spread. So I started doing little videos 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.480 to him, like, you know, taunting him. And the more 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.200 I taunted him with the videos, the more they were 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.240 going about because me naked and all this stuff or 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.840 whatever the girl, And then more people were going to 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.320 your side, the side yes, And then I started my 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.200 site increase. And then I'm gonna tell you what really 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.880 made me start marketing the moment that they took one 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.920 of the little pieces and put it on Tosh point. Oh, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.560 I remember it being my birthday, October twenty second, two 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.640 thousand and fourteen. I was I was in the bed 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.760 sleeping and ten o'clock Tosh came on and it said, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.920 all right, everybody, let us introduce you to your dick 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.600 of the week. So I'm seeing him and I'm like, 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.560 wait a minute, and it's me at The audience went 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.880 crazy and it's like after that girl, I said, man, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.280 you gotta make you some T shirts. Well with the 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.080 T shirts, what did the T shirts saying? She got 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:17.760 a dick? Oh my god, Yes, she got up dick. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.639 And it was all because I was arguing with this 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.320 this boy. He was like, I don't know what you are? 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.480 What are you? Are you a woman? Oh my god? 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:32.000 And I really think this was a big, big introduction 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.080 to people might have been bad, could have been bad 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.960 to people who had never seen a trance person, who 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.600 if I was just doing regular vice, he possibly would 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.080 have thought that, you know, I was just uh, this 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:49.000 black woman. But what drove him insane was him seeing it. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.280 And it's just like so confused by I've been confused 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.879 because he was a little If he's spending that much energy, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:59.040 he was probably a little turned on excited girl. That's why. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.240 That's why I said a trade tendencies. Um. If I 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.720 ever get an opportunity to run into him anywhere, he 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.760 probably won't talk to me. What I would say, you know, 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:14.000 I want to thank you. You're you're messy and you're confused, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.240 and you know it caused me to be in the 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.800 place that i'm and now he helped that, like this 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:24.000 boy was on a rampage doing these videos about me. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.439 What I will say to you, though, Maddie, is that 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.879 not everybody, not every transperson, could take that opportunity and 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.120 then let it lead to the next thing in terms 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.800 of monetary gain, in terms of raising your profile. And 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.919 so I would love for people out there listening is 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.640 to be like, Okay, what can I do? How can I, 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.200 like Maddie, take a moment and really make it into something. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.960 It's an entrepreneur and so that in to better my life. Well, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.720 I think it's because the hustle in me Laverne. I 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.760 think it was because I did work the street and 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.880 stuff like that. Whatever I needed to do to make 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.560 work for me to survive. You know, you have to 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.560 turn lemons into lemonade, you know, And it's like nothing 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.600 is guaranteed. The streets are guaranteed, but the tricks, they're 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.679 not guaranteed. You know, none of this stuff is guaranteed. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.679 So you've gotta be trying to figure out how am 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.679 I gonna turn the next dollar without killing anybody, without 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:23.200 robbing anybody, Because listen, my mother taught me, whatever you 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.879 put out, you will receive back. And I've always been 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.399 afraid to do anything malicious to a person, even when 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.080 I'm angry and I want to get back, I always 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:40.040 think and hear her saying, boo, you know, God gonna 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.040 give you what you give others, you know, so it 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:47.359 always keeps me away from doing anything malicious. But girl, anytime, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.359 any time anything malicious comes to me, I'm gonna monetize 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.840 off of the girl. So if a person is out 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.600 there reading me for fil I'm gonna make a T shirt, 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.960 I'm gonna make a coffee mug, I'm gonna some eyelashes, 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.560 I'm gonna make a pencil. That's you know. I'm gonna 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.520 do this stuff because you gotta turn all your pain 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.239 into profit. Years ago, you had magnets that step your 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.960 pussy up. Magnets the check less literally about four or 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.000 five to support you. But then I also gave them 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:21.359 to get to the girl my girlfriends. What was it? 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.720 Check list? Step your what is it? Own? A business? What? What? What? 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.040 What was it? Let me tell you, Liver, that was 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:33.679 a vine. That was a vine from me reading that boy. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:39.159 Oh yes, yes, there there it is. I didn't get hadn't. 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.400 I didn't know the origin story I was reading. I 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.880 was reading him. I was like, how do you talk 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.960 about me every day? Can't you find something else to do? 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.760 Be yourself? Bid, step your pussy up, honey, get a 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:58.399 job on the business and so you know that day 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.480 I had their belong here on I was over rid. Girl. 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.560 Can I tell you your personal brand? And the branding 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:09.600 and the catchphrases are legendary. I mean, is it on? Can? Well? 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.119 Is it on? Started? I will tell you how that started. Girl. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.280 Are you're going to holler? So just get rid of holler? 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.640 And you're gonna say, girl, do you take everything that 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:23.439 you do and make money? Yes? I was trying to 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.480 figure out on YouTube because you know, people were they 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.840 were making them videos and about me on YouTube. I 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.080 had my girlfriend, Diamond Styles. I don't know if you 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.680 know Diamond Styles. I loved I love Diamond Styles and 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:41.040 she was doing these interviews with with trans people, and 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.679 trans Girl had made a video. Well she interviewed her 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.119 and she said something about me, and I was like, 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.200 I'm going to cuss this bitch out, you know, And 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.000 so I was like, how do you? How do you 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.520 do this? I got my computer and I started and 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:57.840 I didn't know if it was. Of course, I was 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:04.040 like I was, I said, is it on? Is it on? Honey? 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.720 Is this bitch recording? Like? Is the aggression? I was 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.480 so eager to try to get the thing on so 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:15.520 I could cuss off. So know it yourself. Man, when 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.920 Maddie wants to cut somebody out, this is an opportunity 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:25.480 for a new catchphase and a new monetary moment. Is 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.400 it on? Is it on? It this bitch recording? Hello? YouTube? Snapchat? 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.919 But it could give us the honey? Is this misrecording? 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.280 I was like, honey, is it on? Is it on? Honey? 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:40.200 Is this misrecording? What's up? YouTube? Lay and Twitter and Instagram, land, snapchat, ground, 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.920 the scruff b g C Jack, Facebook, Periscope and less 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.440 but not least, if a single one of my bitch 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:50.800 isn't Chorison Mingo and the lands all across the land. 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.760 This is your girl, T s Madison. I'm coming to 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.959 you loud live and always unfailor in color from the 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:01.800 marvelous Chateau Girls. I ever gets old, Maddie, Can I 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.360 tell you? I've been watching your videos for years, You've 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:07.399 been saying there for you, it never gets old. I 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.159 feel like my day is a complete if I have 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.840 not heard you say that it gets And then the loud, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.639 live and in color section, I just I live, I 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.600 live for you. The new show, and we should probably 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.560 talk a little bit about your show, but I love 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.120 that it's still you. That they didn't because I was like, oh, 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:24.159 we don't need to sanitize Maddie. We just need to 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.919 let Maddie just be Maddie because she's enough. And I 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.960 saw the show and it's you. I felt the team 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:34.320 I UM and miss Mary. It's just obviously we've gotten 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.879 to know miss Mary through your own YouTube and Facebook 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.600 um stuff. But miss Mary was just so transcendent last night. 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:42.399 She reminds me a little bit of my mother a 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.080 little bit. She was just so it was so beautiful. 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.879 I cried, I cried, I cried, I laughed. It was 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.159 so good. It was really really good. It was like 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.880 it was I was thinking, this is this dysfunctional family 0:23:56.440 --> 0:24:00.080 that like most of us have, that is that you 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.600