1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Laverne Cox Show, a production of Shonda 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: Land Audio in partnership with My Heart Radio. Honey, is 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: it all? Is it all? Honey? Is this miss recording? 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: What's up? YouTube? Land, Twitter and Instagram, last, Snapchat, Crown, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: the Scruff, b GC Jack, Facebook, Periscope, and less but 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: not least, every single one of my bitches Chorus, San 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: Mingo and the lands all across the land. This is 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: your grol T. S. Madison and I'm coming to you loud, 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: live and always unfailor in color from the marvelous Chateau. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: I feel like my day is a complain if I 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: have not heard you say that. Hello everyone, and welcome 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: to the Laverne Cox Show. There's something about a really 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: good catchphrase, and today's guest has so many, so many 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: of them. I am so ex ight it. I'm going 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: to be speaking with T. S. Madison, a woman who 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: has inspired me, who has cracked me up for years, 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: and I just think it's a genius of personal branding 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 1: and just a superstar. T. S. Madison is an openly 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: transgender entertainer, social media personality, entrepreneur, and l g B 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: t Q plus activist. Tis Madison has worked her ass 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: off for decades to create her own platform. She became 22 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: a YouTube sensation as the co host of The Queen's 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and now it's the star of the new 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: we TV show, The T. S. Madison Experience. Please enjoy 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: my conversation with T. S. Madison. Hello, T. S. Madison, 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. How are you feeling today? Girl? 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: Over Cox Honey, the inventor of all the things. I 28 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: am sitting here with you. Girl. It is time. It 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: is so overdue. It's so overdue. We should let the 30 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: people know. Recording this on March fifth, the day after 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: the premiere of The T. S. Madison Experience on we TV. 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: And how do you feel about the first episode? How 33 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: do you feel? This is so the long time coming? 34 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: But today I'm really like a producer Laverne, you know 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: the first time when you when you produce your show, 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: like you like, what are the numbers and what are 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: they saying? And what's the feedback? And how do the 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: people like it? God? I still I'm doing all this pressed. 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot. You know. I don't know how 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: you've done it for so many years, because we've all 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: watched the Laverne Cox experience. I can't tell you, Maddie, 42 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: I've been perpetually exhausted for like eight years. But I'm saying, no, 43 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: the more things that I can have a little bit 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: more time to myself. You have to find your time 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: to recharge. You have to find your time to like 46 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: right now, isn't that time right the wave now? No, 47 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: this is definitely not not the time. And I'm gonna 48 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: do the best that i can to my energy high. 49 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: And I want to say this though, I want to 50 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: say thank you for unscrewing the door and leaving it open. 51 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: And one thing that Funky Dyneva says all the time 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: is that when we occupied spaces as LBGT plus people, 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: we can't go in there and up the thing. How 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: do you have to make sure that you do it 55 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: and leave the door open for other people to come 56 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: behind you? And and and we have to go in 57 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: there with grace and dignity and all of this stuff. 58 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna share a little bit. Mm hmm, girl, 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Why y'all got the glad police on me? I didn't 60 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: have the Glad police is on you? Girl? What what's 61 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: going on with the team? No, they're good. No, they're 62 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: really good. Like I know, I'm just I'm I'm making 63 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: a joke out of it. It's it's really good. Like 64 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: they want to pr train you and stuff to make 65 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: sure because of our list. Listen, it's no secret hood. 66 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm a loud, loving and color and you know, I 67 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: don't give a day. I'm sometimes but I have found 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: out that in this process right now and going on 69 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: this place, that the responsibility that that you have as 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: a as a torchbearer, it can be a little bit overwhelming, 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, because like you you have 72 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: to be very careful about stuff that you say, because 73 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, you don't just represent yourself anymore. You represent 74 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: a plethora of people, not only LBGT plus people, black people, 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, women and women. Can I tell you that pressure? 76 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean for me, it really hit in twenty fourteen, 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: It really hit Ineen when after the Katie Kirk interview 78 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: after Time magazine cover. But I think we're in a 79 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: new space now. I don't know when I think we 80 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: have to let that go because I think we have 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: to be responsible for our community. But I think now 82 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: with you and there's so many trance people out there 83 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: now on TV right so You don't have to represent 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the whole community. You can represent you and you. You're hilarious. 85 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: You know, I've been watching you for years, girl, so 86 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: I and I still watch you, and I can. I 87 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: can sit and watch T. S. Madison in the car 88 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: ordering going to like McDonald's or whatever, ordering food. I love. 89 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: It's such a trance thing that, like, so when you're talking, 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, you're talking in the car and all of 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: a sudden you're on the intercom, Hi, can I please 92 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: order a you know, two piece with It's just that 93 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: never gets old either. There's just so many things they clocked, 94 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: that voice hone you, that drives through how do you 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: may get up? You may get some floor on your hamburger, girl, 96 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: your hamburger birl may start and tasting like You're like, 97 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: you want this ship taste like the floor? What did 98 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: they do to my hamburger? There's just so many nuances 99 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: like it is the most entertaining thing ever. T. S. 100 00:05:53,320 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 1: Madison after Dark is my favorite. Shout out to Litanya girl. 101 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: The stories I live for the stories of of the 102 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: trade and the clients, and I live for all of it. 103 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: We need this, we need and we needed for a 104 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: very long time, and I think the beautiful thing is 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: is that now the world is ready. And I think 106 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: when I said this to Billy Porter, we were talking 107 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and I said, it's still beautiful 108 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: that you're still alive and that you survived because the 109 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: world has caught up to you. And Madison, the world 110 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: has caught up to you. We don't have to be 111 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: in this respectability politics anymore. And that's really why I 112 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: wanted to have this conversation today. And for me it 113 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: was you. You have to look at it to lavern 114 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: my entrance into uh mainstream visibility because you know, I've 115 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: been an underground girl for a long time, but my 116 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: interest into that was just me selling a product. When 117 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: I was doing the little vines, it was just me 118 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: selling the product at the time in the business that 119 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: I was in. We should clarify for the audience that 120 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you'll mind me saying it. Maddie has 121 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: a history and sex work and she um started her 122 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: own porn business and turned it out, and like you were, 123 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: you were peaking at that time too, like Boom, and 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: they were tearing me up like all honey, you are 125 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: trash and la Vernes queen and your this and the other, 126 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not trying to be like like 127 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: we're all different, Like why can't I not celebrate my 128 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: sister who's paving the way for something I may occupied 129 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: this space. I don't know, why would y'all do that? 130 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: And the gaggy is Laverne loves the t S. The 131 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: t S loves Laverne, and she knows that we are 132 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: polar opposites, but we are the same. So we got 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: that's the piece. It's like when I I was watching 134 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: the show last night, I was like, yes, Mattie and 135 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: I on the service. To me, it seemed completely different. 136 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: But I'm from Alabama, I have a religious mother, I 137 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: grew up in the church. I am a block transplant. 138 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: There's so many things that we have in common. It's 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: very different and path and like, but for the grace 140 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: of God, I may have been having to do what 141 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: you were doing, you know, on the stroll in Miami 142 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: and in Atlanta. But it's all good. It's all good. 143 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: And what I love about your history and sex work 144 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: is that you're open and honest about it. You tell 145 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: the truth about It's like their stories or legendary and 146 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you survived it. But then I 147 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: think that it's so important that you you You were like, 148 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: I need to be the boss. I need to be 149 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: the one producing these videos. I need to be the 150 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: one distributing them, because that's where the money is. Can 151 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you talk to us about when when it clicked for 152 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: you that you were like, Okay, I need to be 153 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: the boss of this and not be, you know, just 154 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: used by these other people who are really making the 155 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: real money. When I actually sat back and I watched 156 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: the way that can I be candid leavern girl? I 157 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: want you to I want you here to be fully 158 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: you and do you? Yes, girl, relax and do you 159 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: She gave me permission. Okay, listen, when I saw all 160 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: those white companies pimping out, and I do feel I 161 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: don't want to say pimping out heavy because you know, 162 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: we go in knowing that we need to start somewhere, 163 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: But I'm saying pimping out, Like, girl, we work for 164 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: these people, like our black skin is so expensive. It 165 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: is expensive. Our black skin is powerful, Our black skin 166 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: is like the money maker. And you get us and 167 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: you give us quarters, pennies, nickels on the dollar, to 168 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: bear our nude bodies to perform in in in the video. 169 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: You own all the rights, you own this stuff, and 170 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: then you market the white girl as better than us. 171 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: And this is no shade to my to my white sisters, 172 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: but you market the white girl better than us. This 173 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: art here, this is God. And you know those are 174 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: those girls, and I know you may not. This is 175 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: the niche if like this go down, if you want 176 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: to go down this dark place over here, you're gonna 177 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: like these girls too. But this is what they were 178 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: buying over here, these the black girls, and you were 179 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: using this money to make the white girls look look sickly, No, ma'am. Yeah. 180 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so passionate about that, because I 181 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: need them to understand that I walked into a white 182 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: world and told them, Now, Madison, when you come do 183 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: this scene? You know, would you come do this or 184 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: would you would you film this? And you now, and 185 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: if I do, this is what I want. I want. 186 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: I want money on the front end. I want money 187 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: on the back end. I want producer rights, I want 188 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: distribution rights. I want to be able to have residual 189 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: income from this stuff. Should I pass away right now, 190 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: my mother can have money, my brothers can have money, whatever. 191 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: And it was very much like, how does she know about? 192 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: How does she know this? How does she know? You know? Um? 193 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I was introduced to Phil his name is Phil when 194 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: he was the owner of Evasive Angles and he evasive. 195 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: He's um sin white man. He had never produced trans films. 196 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: They said, I have been watching you here in Atlanta, 197 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: like your videos outstaill mine and mine are high, high produced. 198 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: I said, well, I understand my audience for one, and 199 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: for two, what you produced don't look like me. And 200 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: what you have to understand is I know you're coming 201 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: down here to sail to an urban market. I got 202 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: there a lot, baby. I don't work to beat out. 203 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: I've been on the chat line. I don't dealt with 204 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: the trade. I know what what they like. I know 205 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: what men who are attracted to plus size black women 206 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: what they're gonna like on a plus size black trans woman. 207 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: It felt home to a lot of black men when 208 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: I was, you know, making those films, because that's t Shirt, 209 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: that's Kinika, that's Tasha. You know that I put to 210 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: school with her up to really understanding when I'm hearing, 211 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: is that a person who really who learned the market 212 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: the hard way, and then it was like, Okay, this 213 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: is the market. I'm going to produce a product for 214 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: that market. This is it's capitalism. And what I just 215 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: love about it is that you have always been a businesswoman. 216 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: And when you when I became aware of you was 217 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: when your vine went viral new Weave twenty two inches. Yeah, 218 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: and literally a girlfriend of mine showed that we are 219 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: having a group text and a girlfriend and I was like, 220 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on? And I looked you 221 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: up and then there were videos, a bunch of videos, 222 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: and I found out who you were. That was that 223 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: when that vine went viral? Was that intentional? Was that? 224 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: And then how are you able to capitalized on that 225 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: vine going viral? Like because I knew you made money? No, Lavernion, 226 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: it actually was not intentional. I stumbled across a social 227 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: site where I saw people putting up a little six 228 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: second videos and I initially started out funny, even hilarious. 229 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: It's hilarious, girl. Yes, I remember the first vine that 230 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: I ever put up. It was when Beyonce was pregnant, 231 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: and I remember me putting this thing on my stomach 232 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: and me sitting down and and like reenacting when she 233 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: sat now on a talk show she was doing. And 234 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: I just there was one vine that I put up, girl, 235 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: it ain't really getting no traction. It was a little people, 236 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, laughing and joking at it. But I started 237 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: scrolling through vine and I said, wait a minute, they 238 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: have after dark. What is this? So I clicked the 239 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: hashtag and I'm looking at the hashtag. I was like, wait, 240 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: are they nude on't here? Okay, I'm typing away, researching 241 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: like how how many clicks does this kid? And how 242 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: does this is this marketable? Oh? Here we go. Let 243 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: me promote my website. So that's all it was for me. 244 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: So I did it. I had no idea what was 245 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And now way were now just yes, boom, 246 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: just boom it just Laverty was boom huge. And so 247 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: some boys from New Orleans and some I don't want 248 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: to call them trade, but honey, they got those tendencies. 249 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Some boys from New Orleans stumbled across it and reposted 250 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: it and and typed in the caption this right here, 251 00:14:48,200 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: how does this woman have a dick? How's that for 252 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: a little true after tiny break, We've got more for you. 253 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: We are back picking up where we left. That's what 254 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: it was. How does this woman have a day? And 255 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: I promise you it was them reposting that. Let me 256 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: title it right, How does this fat woman have a dick? 257 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was insane. It was like crazy. 258 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: I woke up the next morning and it was like, 259 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: all this stuff is everywhere, like everywhere. So the boy 260 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: who reposted it, he had came up with all of 261 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: these I think that they may translate to transphobic slurs, 262 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: but he came up with this. He called me a sugar. 263 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I heard all of them sugar. And 264 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: so he went on this tirade like wearing me out. 265 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: But the more he wore me out, the more that 266 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: it started to spread. So I started doing little videos 267 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: to him, like, you know, taunting him. And the more 268 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: I taunted him with the videos, the more they were 269 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: going about because me naked and all this stuff or 270 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: whatever the girl, And then more people were going to 271 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: your side, the side yes, And then I started my 272 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: site increase. And then I'm gonna tell you what really 273 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: made me start marketing the moment that they took one 274 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: of the little pieces and put it on Tosh point. Oh, 275 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: I remember it being my birthday, October twenty second, two 276 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. I was I was in the bed 277 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: sleeping and ten o'clock Tosh came on and it said, 278 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: all right, everybody, let us introduce you to your dick 279 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: of the week. So I'm seeing him and I'm like, 280 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute, and it's me at The audience went 281 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: crazy and it's like after that girl, I said, man, 282 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: you gotta make you some T shirts. Well with the 283 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: T shirts, what did the T shirts saying? She got 284 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: a dick? Oh my god, Yes, she got up dick. 285 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: And it was all because I was arguing with this 286 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: this boy. He was like, I don't know what you are? 287 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: What are you? Are you a woman? Oh my god? 288 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: And I really think this was a big, big introduction 289 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: to people might have been bad, could have been bad 290 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: to people who had never seen a trance person, who 291 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: if I was just doing regular vice, he possibly would 292 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: have thought that, you know, I was just uh, this 293 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: black woman. But what drove him insane was him seeing it. 294 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: And it's just like so confused by I've been confused 295 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: because he was a little If he's spending that much energy, 296 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: he was probably a little turned on excited girl. That's why. 297 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: That's why I said a trade tendencies. Um. If I 298 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: ever get an opportunity to run into him anywhere, he 299 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: probably won't talk to me. What I would say, you know, 300 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: I want to thank you. You're you're messy and you're confused, 301 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: and you know it caused me to be in the 302 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: place that i'm and now he helped that, like this 303 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: boy was on a rampage doing these videos about me. 304 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: What I will say to you, though, Maddie, is that 305 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: not everybody, not every transperson, could take that opportunity and 306 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: then let it lead to the next thing in terms 307 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: of monetary gain, in terms of raising your profile. And 308 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: so I would love for people out there listening is 309 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, what can I do? How can I, 310 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: like Maddie, take a moment and really make it into something. 311 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: It's an entrepreneur and so that in to better my life. Well, 312 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: I think it's because the hustle in me Laverne. I 313 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: think it was because I did work the street and 314 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Whatever I needed to do to make 315 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: work for me to survive. You know, you have to 316 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: turn lemons into lemonade, you know, And it's like nothing 317 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: is guaranteed. The streets are guaranteed, but the tricks, they're 318 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: not guaranteed. You know, none of this stuff is guaranteed. 319 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: So you've gotta be trying to figure out how am 320 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: I gonna turn the next dollar without killing anybody, without 321 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: robbing anybody, Because listen, my mother taught me, whatever you 322 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: put out, you will receive back. And I've always been 323 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: afraid to do anything malicious to a person, even when 324 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm angry and I want to get back, I always 325 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: think and hear her saying, boo, you know, God gonna 326 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: give you what you give others, you know, so it 327 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: always keeps me away from doing anything malicious. But girl, anytime, 328 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: any time anything malicious comes to me, I'm gonna monetize 329 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: off of the girl. So if a person is out 330 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: there reading me for fil I'm gonna make a T shirt, 331 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a coffee mug, I'm gonna some eyelashes, 332 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a pencil. That's you know. I'm gonna 333 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: do this stuff because you gotta turn all your pain 334 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: into profit. Years ago, you had magnets that step your 335 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: pussy up. Magnets the check less literally about four or 336 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: five to support you. But then I also gave them 337 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: to get to the girl my girlfriends. What was it? 338 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: Check list? Step your what is it? Own? A business? What? What? What? 339 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: What was it? Let me tell you, Liver, that was 340 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: a vine. That was a vine from me reading that boy. 341 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, there there it is. I didn't get hadn't. 342 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know the origin story I was reading. I 343 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: was reading him. I was like, how do you talk 344 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: about me every day? Can't you find something else to do? 345 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: Be yourself? Bid, step your pussy up, honey, get a 346 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: job on the business and so you know that day 347 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: I had their belong here on I was over rid. Girl. 348 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Can I tell you your personal brand? And the branding 349 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: and the catchphrases are legendary. I mean, is it on? Can? Well? 350 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Is it on? Started? I will tell you how that started. Girl. 351 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: Are you're going to holler? So just get rid of holler? 352 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: And you're gonna say, girl, do you take everything that 353 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: you do and make money? Yes? I was trying to 354 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: figure out on YouTube because you know, people were they 355 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: were making them videos and about me on YouTube. I 356 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: had my girlfriend, Diamond Styles. I don't know if you 357 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: know Diamond Styles. I loved I love Diamond Styles and 358 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: she was doing these interviews with with trans people, and 359 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: trans Girl had made a video. Well she interviewed her 360 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: and she said something about me, and I was like, 361 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to cuss this bitch out, you know, And 362 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: so I was like, how do you? How do you 363 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: do this? I got my computer and I started and 364 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was. Of course, I was 365 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: like I was, I said, is it on? Is it on? Honey? 366 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Is this bitch recording? Like? Is the aggression? I was 367 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: so eager to try to get the thing on so 368 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: I could cuss off. So know it yourself. Man, when 369 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: Maddie wants to cut somebody out, this is an opportunity 370 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: for a new catchphase and a new monetary moment. Is 371 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: it on? Is it on? It this bitch recording? Hello? YouTube? Snapchat? 372 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: But it could give us the honey? Is this misrecording? 373 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: I was like, honey, is it on? Is it on? Honey? 374 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: Is this misrecording? What's up? YouTube? Lay and Twitter and Instagram, land, snapchat, ground, 375 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: the scruff b g C Jack, Facebook, Periscope and less 376 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: but not least, if a single one of my bitch 377 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: isn't Chorison Mingo and the lands all across the land. 378 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: This is your girl, T s Madison. I'm coming to 379 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: you loud live and always unfailor in color from the 380 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: marvelous Chateau Girls. I ever gets old, Maddie, Can I 381 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: tell you? I've been watching your videos for years, You've 382 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: been saying there for you, it never gets old. I 383 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: feel like my day is a complete if I have 384 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: not heard you say that it gets And then the loud, 385 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: live and in color section, I just I live, I 386 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: live for you. The new show, and we should probably 387 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your show, but I love 388 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: that it's still you. That they didn't because I was like, oh, 389 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: we don't need to sanitize Maddie. We just need to 390 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: let Maddie just be Maddie because she's enough. And I 391 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: saw the show and it's you. I felt the team 392 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: I UM and miss Mary. It's just obviously we've gotten 393 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: to know miss Mary through your own YouTube and Facebook 394 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: um stuff. But miss Mary was just so transcendent last night. 395 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: She reminds me a little bit of my mother a 396 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: little bit. She was just so it was so beautiful. 397 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: I cried, I cried, I cried, I laughed. It was 398 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: so good. It was really really good. It was like 399 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: it was I was thinking, this is this dysfunctional family 400 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: that like most of us have, that is that you 401 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: read each other and you might fight, but it's all 402 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: in love and you feel the love. And I think 403 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: that's why people love you, because we feel your heart 404 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: and we felt it in the show, and that just 405 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: it just it warms my heart. I honestly told the network, 406 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: I was like, listen, if you police me too hard 407 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: to show will flop. I know when and where to 408 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: turn up. I ain't that crazy, but but you gotta 409 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: let me do me, you know. And it's World of 410 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: Wonder that's producing the show. And I felt very comfortable 411 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: with World of Wonder producer show. You've been working with 412 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: the World of Wonder for years. You did a series 413 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: in the car with them, let me pick you Up, 414 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: Let me pick you Up. And it was important for 415 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: me to explain to them, listen, I'm coming to you 416 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: with this project that I have right now. I needed 417 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: to be me. I don't need to work for you guys, 418 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: I need us to work together. And you know that's 419 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: how I became executive producer of it. And when I 420 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: watched it last night, I was like, Wow, I felt 421 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: that these people have my back and I felt you know, 422 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: reality t V can be messy, Laverne. You know we've 423 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: been in this, but I felt that that was not 424 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: the angle that they wanted to go. They don't want 425 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: to go messy like they have other shows that are messy. 426 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: It's a new day. It's a new day. And I 427 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: also understand that you thought to have black people on 428 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: your crew and l g B t Q people on 429 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: your crew. And it makes a difference who's making the show. 430 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: It makes a difference who is the director, who's the showrunner, 431 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: who's writing, if there's writing, who's editing. All those things 432 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: make a difference in terms of how we're represented. And 433 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: it felt like you. It felt like you, and it 434 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: felt authentic. It is it is me, Laverne, it is 435 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: it's me. It's my family, you know, my mother. Listen, 436 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to clean up her words. 437 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: If she want to say strue, then let us say 438 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: damn strue streaming, which is she doesn't. If she wanta 439 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: ain't Fitch annual, fitch geral, then that's what it is. Oh, 440 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: she's so adorable. She's so adorable, and it's just so beautiful. 441 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: And I think to the love, the unconditional love that 442 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: Miss Mary has for you have always made for years 443 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: my brother and I. My brother loves you as well, 444 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: and we've talked about it for years. Just the relationship 445 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: that you guys have that is so it's just real. 446 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: And I think what people also need to know is 447 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of mis Mary's out there. My 448 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: mother never ever growing up with hard and I've talked 449 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: to her about it. I've talked publicly growing up it's hard. 450 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 1: But once I moved away and I was in New 451 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: York and I started at my transition, she never said 452 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to see you. She never said I'm 453 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: going to disown you. She that that was never. She 454 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: was concerned about my health and well being. She didn't understand, 455 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: of course, but she never said I'm going to disown 456 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: you and I don't want to be in your life. 457 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: And I know that happens to a lot of people, 458 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of black mothers out there 459 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: who have loved their LGBTQ children. There are so many 460 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: out there who who are have and are loving their children. 461 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: Can I be honest with you? I want to be 462 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: honest with you, Laverne, please for me, which I think 463 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna do into it more in the season. You'll see, 464 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: because I learned a lot about myself filming this this show. 465 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: I I listened to her during the filming of this listen, 466 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: and it wasn't the fact that she was in the 467 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: church and and and save and stuff like that. It 468 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: was the fact that I heard everything around like everybody 469 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: else that the've be in the church, me going to church, 470 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: and you know, gay is going to hell, and don't 471 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: be like this. You know what they do in the 472 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: South all that, and and if you become one of them, yes, 473 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: if you're an old girl. The bill they passed, it's awful, 474 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: I know. And they say if you turn out to 475 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: be there, you're definitely gonna bust hell wide open. So 476 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: you hear this stuff, and then you you hear your 477 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: mother love God so much, and you're like, oh my God, 478 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: like in my heart, like I don't want to embarrass 479 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: my family. So you leave, Yeah, you leave, you you leave, 480 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: and it's so important that you you go to find yourself. However, 481 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: when I hear her talk, now I understand it at 482 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: an older age. Now I hear to talk, and she says, 483 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: you didn't give me a chance to accept you. You 484 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: didn't give me a chance to grow with you. You 485 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: didn't give me a chance. And I was like, because 486 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: I heard everything around and this is why we helped 487 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that the conversation that we're having around 488 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: young people aren't homophobic and aren't transphobic, because you don't know, 489 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: this is a straight world. We live in, this straight world. 490 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: There were so many homophobic There were so many homophobic 491 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: things I heard from my mother's lips when I was 492 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: growing up, a churchgoing woman, Christian woman I heard, and 493 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: so of course I thought that there was not going 494 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: to be a space for me to be myself. And 495 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: like it was, it was really clear. And I was 496 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: a bully kid who everyone was calling the effort in 497 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: the city and all these things. Yeah, me too, and 498 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: and I was taking to therapy in third grade, you know, 499 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: to like fix me and make me more masculine, so 500 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: all those things. So of course I didn't think that 501 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: she would accept me. So I needed new I needed 502 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: to get out of Mobile, Alabama as soon as possible 503 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: so I could be myself. And that's what I did. 504 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: You had to leave to find yourself. But what we 505 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: left at home were parents that we didn't give the 506 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. And I think that every time 507 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: my mother was sitting here watching the show play that 508 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: she was just crying, like this is so real for her. 509 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: And I feel like that if I can go back 510 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: and do some of this again, I definitely would tell 511 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: my younger stelf, you know, break it down for you know, 512 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: get mad at her, walk out and come back in 513 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: and be like, Mama, this is what's going on. And 514 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: maybe I wouldn't have been introduced to this dark world 515 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: that I was introduced to. Maybe I wouldn't have been 516 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: involved in the streets or or maybe I wouldn't have, 517 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, know the street hustle and know the trade 518 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: and know all the dark stuff. And maybe a lot 519 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: of people wouldn't be subjected to because I'm speaking from me, 520 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: a lot of trains people wouldn't be subjected to HIV, 521 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: AIDS and diseases. And what I know it's the truth, though, 522 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: is that without a test there's no testimony. And your 523 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: story is a story of so many other trans women 524 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: out there, black trans women who are hustling right now, 525 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: who have hustled and they they need to see themselves too, 526 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: and they need to see themselves, you know. You know 527 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: there's other trans women who are high profile. We have 528 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: talked about sex work, but not like you know, the 529 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: sex stories the t S. Madison after Dark is legendary. 530 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: I live, I live. I love it too. You know 531 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: why I love it. It's because we have to. We 532 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: have to tell those sex stories because this is what 533 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: goes on, this is what happens in our lives, and 534 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: some of those sex stories could definitely solve some of 535 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: those trans murders that have that have happened. Thank you, 536 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: And I love the way you talk about this. You've 537 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: talked very candidly in a way that like I've never 538 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: fully been able to that when that when men lie 539 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: and say they don't and they didn't know often when 540 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: trans every time, almost every time a trans woman is murdered, 541 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: it's like, well you should tell them, And you've always 542 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: been for years saying they already know. They just don't 543 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: want you to know. And people want to be in 544 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: denial that men are tracted to us and are having 545 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: sex with us and doing all the things with us. 546 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: People want to be in denial. You know, I'm thinking 547 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: about like men, how a lot of men who date 548 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: us state trans women don't come forward. And I was, like, 549 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: most of the men who are having sex with us, 550 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: do you see it's as women and it's not a 551 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: big difference for them, And I think the denial and 552 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: like the so many women my man would never I'm like, girl, girl, yeah, yeah, good, 553 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: and girl listen. So this is why when people like, oh, Masses, 554 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: she's all she talks about is sex. I'm like, it's 555 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: important that I talk about these things because there's a 556 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: there's this fiction going on that men don't love us, 557 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: men aren't having sex. Yes they are. They are loving us, 558 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: They are having sex with us. They are paying for surgeries. 559 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: They are investing in our and the way we look, 560 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: They invest in the way we live. Girl, you know 561 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: one of my lives love iron. I've been in the 562 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: marvel Let's chateau all these years, Bitch, I worked for nobody, 563 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: somebody husband paying for me, you know, and this in 564 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: the home ownership too. I just love I mean, I 565 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: love it. I love that you. I think I remember 566 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: one video you talked about how you had to like 567 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: work extra for you. You You didn't put any money down 568 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: for the mortgage and so you have to work extra 569 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: for it. And can you talk about the home ownership 570 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: and how it's so important for you to own your 571 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: own home or it's extremely important for me and for 572 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: for me to push that for home ownership or ownership 573 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: of a wheen this, how's this big? How's bigger than 574 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: this of an apartment or whatever? Because we are always 575 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: deemed homeless and we do suffer, you know, from from 576 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: homelessness in our community. However, when you when you have 577 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: the opportunity to bitch, do everything that the straight people 578 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: can do. Girl, go out there and buy you a house. 579 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: When you got the money, if you're gonna sell your 580 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: coachinge go out there to save you up a love 581 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: money and buy you a house. So that, honey, when 582 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: that Coucci is old and retired, girl, you can get 583 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: an equity loan on your house, honey, and start your 584 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: business or something. Do something. It is important because this 585 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: is this is equity. We need to be a part 586 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: of wealth, Laverne and love that vision. And it's like 587 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: and so there and for the people who are doing 588 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: their only fans right now are doing whatever, It's like, 589 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: what are you saving and what are you building with that. 590 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: I gotta take a teensy break here, but I'll be fast. 591 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to it. I mean, some 592 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: people do sex work for a very long time, and 593 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: then sometimes you're less marketable as you get older. And 594 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: so what's the plans, sister? Some people that do anything 595 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: and they're less marketable when they're older. What's the guy's 596 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: name that's that's getting evicted from his mansion? I forget. 597 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: He's the fashion guy Andre Andre Talent. Yes, Andre, that 598 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: broke my hard. I love Andre so much. I love 599 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: him too, But girl, what were you doing with your coin? 600 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: What are you doing with this stuff? Like? You are 601 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: a gay man? Who is you? Who is occupying spaces 602 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: that a lot of us want to want to break 603 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: into the fashion world? What are you doing with your coin? 604 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: Forty years? I just I'm obsessed with Andre. So I 605 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: read Andre's book, Um the chefon Trenches, and Andre got 606 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: by on the kindness of Carl Logerfelm, the kindness of 607 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: the folks. I forget who owns the house and that 608 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: he lives in. He got by on the kindness of 609 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: so many people for so long that maybe he wasn't 610 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: even making money. But he was just being gifted Chanelle 611 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: and gifted this because he was edited large for vote. 612 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: But a girl, if you it's a hustle. So if 613 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: you're hustling when you look at it, if if somebody's 614 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: donating your house and they're donating you cars, they're donating 615 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: you bags, and I'm not mad at him at all, 616 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: but bitch, be wise in these situations. Girl, you are 617 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: no matter how hi we go in this world. Laverne, 618 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: you're transt mass in your trans Andre. You're a gay man. 619 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: You know, they put limitations on it, even though they 620 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: black black stay black gay man. And I think I 621 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: think he thought that those relationships would sustain him, alleged. 622 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: I read the story about the house. Apparently he um 623 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: was gifted the house, and he was he made improvements 624 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: on the house, and he thought it was his and 625 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: he believed in the kindness of these white people. I 626 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: think he believed in that. And the chickens have come 627 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: home to Ruth and so you cannot rely on the 628 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: kindness of other folks. You have to make sure you've 629 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: got your own. I think that's the lesson, and that 630 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: there are probably details that we don't know about the situation, 631 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: it's as cautionary. Taylor's like, what I mean, what's the 632 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: retirement account, what's the home ownership, what's the hot what's 633 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: the plan so that we going forward we're not destitute 634 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: because there's so many people. Bell hooks Um, the feminist writer, 635 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: when we she owns multiple homes, she was like, I 636 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: don't want to be one of those black women writers 637 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: who died penning less. And so we have to we 638 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: have to plan. Yes, Laverne, listen, the streets have taught 639 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: me so much. Howadly the tricks stopped coming, you still 640 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: got light bible to pay, girl, you better put some 641 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: money somewhere. So, even though he was not in the 642 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: sex industry, he was somebody was still gifting him for 643 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: his for his goods, and the gifts stopped coming. You 644 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: learned this early and and ho in one oh one. Okay, 645 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: your dates don't last. Make the money last, yes, And 646 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: I think the interest, well, so much of our culture 647 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: is like we're pimping ourselves out in one way or 648 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: another in consumer capitalism. Right, So it's like there's so 649 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: many kind different kinds of sex work. I think I 650 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: think you know people who want to demonize sex work. 651 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: I think there's just their degrees of it, and so 652 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: it's like, what are you going to do to make 653 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: the most of whatever situation that you're in, you know, 654 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully keep your dignity, keep your dignity and be 655 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: kind to people, but like, what are you gonna do? 656 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: And I love that you keep it real with all 657 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: of that and tell the truth about it, because hopefully 658 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: they the young girls coming up in boys and non 659 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: binary people who are doing there, who are doing their business, 660 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: are thinking ahead and are thinking um long term and 661 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: thinking how do I like make more money and capitalized, 662 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: constantly capitalized and bring and make it, you know, make 663 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: it bigger. Yes, then, and it's so important for for 664 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: we TV and World of Wonder to give opportunities to 665 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: girls like myself because what it does now is it 666 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: restructures the narrative that you know, all we do is 667 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: sex work. Okay, that was then, That was twenty years ago, 668 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago. Now, the girls that have done 669 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: sex work their executive producers, you know, their own networks. 670 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: They're they're building opportunities so that the narrative changes. You 671 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: no longer have to be a sex worker. You can 672 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: be a sex worker if you want too. But now 673 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: we see the t S Madison, who was once that 674 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 1: go out into this world follow her dreams sex work, 675 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: got on the internet, blogged about it, talked about it, 676 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: capitalized off of it, move forward, executive producer, television show, 677 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: like all of this stuff. So it's just like, wait, 678 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't even have to do this no more. And 679 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: I think that the beautiful thing is that when we 680 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: tell the stories about our lives, about the dark parts, 681 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: if it's sex work or whatever, that the perspective changes 682 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: when we are in control of how the narrative comes forward, 683 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: and that is you've been in utter and complete control 684 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: of your narrative since I've known about you. It sounds 685 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: like for a very long time, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. 686 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: And and there's some people who you know, love sex 687 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: working don't want to leave the business. But I think 688 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: having a vision. I know trans woman who've done sex 689 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: work and now have master's degrees and they've left that behind. 690 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: And you've clearly always had a plan for your life. 691 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: And it is clear to me that you've had the 692 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: vision for this show for a very long time when 693 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: all this stuff was going around with the first incarnation 694 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: of the the First Queen's Court and its hilarious as 695 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: you are, you have your testimony is so utterly and 696 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: completely necessary for you to go from your Internet, your 697 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: Facebook lives, your YouTube shows to we TV. Is an 698 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: inspiration to everyone out there. Thank you for being you. Yes, Laverne, 699 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: thank you. Like listen, this is a I've always wanted 700 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: to have a wanted to sit and have a candid 701 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: conversation with you because I was like girl as loud, 702 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: laughing and color as I am. I was getting the 703 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: whip cracked on my back because I wasn't you, and 704 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: that breaks my heart. Other trans women have told me 705 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: that another trans woman was fat Shane. Now, people don't 706 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: know what I eat, first of all, but you have 707 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: a black trans woman was fatching by her manager. People 708 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: who don't know me are saying that when Laverne wouldn't 709 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: do this or wouldn't do that, and to use it 710 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: against another trans person, It's never been what I'm about, 711 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: never and I would. I've never picked myself against another 712 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: trans person. I don't compare myself. I love and support 713 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: my sisters and brothers and non binary siblings and not 714 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: it that breaks my heart. Oh, but here we are here, 715 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: we are yeah, we are. You remember when he beat 716 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: me because I ain't in the in the color purple? 717 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: Of course I remember, of course, had you girl, I 718 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: live for the color purple girl. We can help go 719 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: down a whole color purple rabbit. So that's kind of 720 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: what it feels like to a lot to lots of 721 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: trans girls, who who are you know? Coming up? And 722 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: then we don't have the same story, and I don't 723 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: want that to be for me, Like now that the 724 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: doors left open from whatever I've done did, don't compare 725 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: to gross. Each girl has their own story. Every girl's 726 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: story is important. Right now. We have M J. Rodriguez, 727 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: we have Dominique Jackson, we have India More, we have 728 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: Hunter Shaffer over on ahdo we have there's so many, 729 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: we have angelic ross everywhere and just turning it. I 730 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: mean and Alexandrew Gray, Who's like, we have so many 731 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: more of us out there now that we hopefully you 732 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: can let that go. And I think anyone out there. 733 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: Do not compare trans people to each other. Do not 734 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: pit us against each other. We're not interested in that. 735 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: Do not tell a trans person they need to be 736 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: more like another trans person that is fucked up. It's 737 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: utterly fucked up. Do not do that anymore. I like 738 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: to end the podcast with this question that comes from 739 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: my therapy, actually, and it's a somatic therapy, and the 740 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: question is what else is true? And it's basically like 741 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: when things are hard and rough and I'm struggling that 742 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: I can focus on that, but I could also take 743 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: my energy and focus on the things that are neutral 744 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: and positive in my life. I can focus on what 745 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: else is true? So T S. Madison today, the day 746 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: after the premiere of your show, congratulations you, so proud 747 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: of you. Thank you so much today for you, Maddie. 748 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: What else is true? What is true is I've done 749 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: things that they said that I would never be able 750 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: to do. What is true is I'm not bound by 751 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: the shackles of my past. What is true is I'm 752 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: here now and I am here by divine purpose. And 753 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: what is true is I have impacted the world and 754 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: I'll have a legacy whether tomorrow is the last day. 755 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: And I thank God for it, and I thank you 756 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: for let me be here on this podcast, but you 757 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: grow on and chopping it up. So now I know 758 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: that you would be a good fit on The Queen's 759 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: Supreme Court Girl, because I because we started, I try 760 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: to be good. Because I try to be good, I 761 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: try not to like say, I know we got we 762 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: gotta dig into, but now be that we both will 763 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: get in trouble. We know how to behave enough just 764 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: to say enough. But people don't want to see you 765 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: behave girl. They really want the mass, they really care. 766 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: I love you so much. I'm so proud of so 767 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: people can Well, you can catch im T. S. Madison 768 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: on The Ties Madison Experience on we TV Thursday nights 769 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: at ten pm nights. Are you still doing this Queen 770 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court on? Are you taking a break? You gotta 771 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: watch We've got We've got a lot of production stuff 772 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: going on. You gotta watch Laverne. You know, you might 773 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: be proud of your of your sister at the end 774 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: of the jam, already proud of my but a little 775 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 1: bit more, already proud of me a little bit more. 776 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: You just got to watch the sea. But make sure 777 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: you guys are following me on Instagram at the real 778 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: Tis Madison, and make sure you're following me on YouTube. T. S. 779 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: Madison Hinton. I'm just make sure you guys are watching 780 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: the show. It's a good show. It's a breath of 781 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: fresh air for reality television. It's not messy. It's a 782 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: little shady because we've got some shade coming down to that. 783 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: It's shady. There's reading, but it's fun and it's hilarious 784 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: and it's really touching. It's really touching. Congratulations, it's a 785 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: really good Thank you, Thank you, Lavern, and congratulation on 786 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: this on this Magup podcast, and thank you so much 787 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: for having t s. Madison Hinton. Oh my god. I 788 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: love that woman so much. I've been a fan for 789 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: a really long time. And when I heard her show, 790 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: What's Happening on we I thought, you know, I thought 791 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 1: about how the world wants to pit, you know, trans 792 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: people against each other, pit martinalized people against each other. 793 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: And now that she has this platform, I suspected people 794 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: might be making comparisons. And Maddie is Maddie and Laverne 795 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 1: is Laverne, and there's nothing but love between us and 796 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: her stories, her humor, her testimony. She is a superstar. 797 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: She's always been a superstar. And there are so many 798 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: superstars out there in different communities who just have not 799 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: had the platform yet to show it off. Madison built 800 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: that platform for herself. She made it happen with a 801 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: lot of determination and just star quality that can't be taught. 802 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: I love Tis Madison and you can watch the TS 803 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: Madison Experience Thursday nights on WI. You must thank you 804 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: for listening to The Laverne Cox Show. Please rate, review, subscribe, 805 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: and share with everyone you know. 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