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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds, and Congressman Chuck Edwards has dropped his

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<v Speaker 1>reelection bid after being censured. We have such a great

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<v Speaker 1>show for you today. Democracy Docket's own Mark Elias stops

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<v Speaker 1>by to talk about Trump's lawless plans for the midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we'll talk to the New York Times own Shamee

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<v Speaker 1>Goldmocker about how the primaries are shaken out and a

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<v Speaker 1>little trouble at the DNC. But first the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Smillie, big big night of elections last night. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's some pretty interesting things here that will really actually

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<v Speaker 2>be consequential come both November and the shape of the

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<v Speaker 2>party here. I'm curious, though. I think the most interesting

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<v Speaker 2>one is what happened in Kansas. Since you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have been talking about how much this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an election about data centers, we saw a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>massive clitical up so lustily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so let's talk about this data centers. Are You

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<v Speaker 1>and I both know we have traveled this country, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least I went to Arizona and I'm planning to

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<v Speaker 1>go to New Orleans. So I've been to places and

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<v Speaker 1>people are not happy with data centers. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>why they're not happy with them because they're terrible. They

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<v Speaker 1>use water, they use electricity, they make noise, they're huge,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't employ that many people. Voters hate them, and

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<v Speaker 1>they make your electricity more expensive. I mean, there's literally

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<v Speaker 1>no case for data centers. And the woman who ran

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<v Speaker 1>for the Democratic nomination of the Kansas governor, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to add that, you know, you think Kansas is

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<v Speaker 1>a red state, but the governor they have now is

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<v Speaker 1>also a Democrat. So having a Democratic governor in Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>is not unheard of. In fact, it may repeat. But

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<v Speaker 1>this woman is called Cindy Holscher, and she is a

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<v Speaker 1>state senator, and she is endorsed by the current Democratic governor,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Kelly. So data centers are an eighty twenty issue

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<v Speaker 1>and really really just the pine of thing. Democrats can

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<v Speaker 1>win on data centers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think last night showed that they can win

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<v Speaker 2>on saying we're going to put money back into your

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<v Speaker 2>community and not send it to farm wares. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the lessons of this primary, though, is I think better

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<v Speaker 2>care for all is one and the same with we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to put the money back. Intor cree. It's that

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<v Speaker 2>we're not sending your money to you getting denied care

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<v Speaker 2>that you should get just so that there could be

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<v Speaker 2>higher corporate board earnings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, speaking of the other big shakeup truth outed, our

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<v Speaker 2>long time US congressman lost their seat, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>doctor abdel l said won the Michigan setup by much

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<v Speaker 2>less than we expected, but did have a victory that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is going to really shake things up. He's

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<v Speaker 2>already said he will not support Chuck Schumer as majority

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<v Speaker 2>leader and will support Chris van Holland. And he seems

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<v Speaker 2>very contrary to what some people say, he seems very

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<v Speaker 2>very well suited to beat Mike Rogers in the general

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<v Speaker 2>since Mike Rogers ran nine hundred thousand votes behind Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump in the last election.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm more anxious about doctor l sayid, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's just a hard road. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>a question of, like, you know, whether running a center's

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<v Speaker 1>candidate is in a swing state works better than running

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<v Speaker 1>a progressive in a swing state, Like that's a real

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<v Speaker 1>question is like do you lose crossover voters if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that? And do you suppress your left base, because

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is like in Michigan in twenty sixteen, Bernie one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so that is a real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I should correct myself. I'm sorry Rogers ran one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty two thousand votes behind. But to your

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<v Speaker 2>point with Bernie one, Abdul has a very interesting thing

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<v Speaker 2>where he's talked about the trend in Michigan has been

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for somebody who will do change. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons that many people have observed that Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do as well in Michigan as people would have

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<v Speaker 2>thought is that on the ground there, they thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna be a continuation of Biden, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>grown very, very very tired of Biden's policies in Michigan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems that also they did not buy rogers

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<v Speaker 2>bullshit by a much bigger margin than they did buy

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's bullshit. And I don't think that that's gotten any better,

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<v Speaker 2>as he's just sold himself to whoever will pay for him,

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<v Speaker 2>which is he's done throughout his career and helped cause

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<v Speaker 2>the opioid crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was very involved in pharmaceutical companies, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about this. I'm sure we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan endlessly, and it's his sendency. The Democrats that desperately

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<v Speaker 1>need to hold publicans are in so much trouble here.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that I saw last night,

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<v Speaker 1>which I would actually like to read you, Amy Walter

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<v Speaker 1>from the Cook Political Report, very smart. She says, if

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<v Speaker 1>you went through the two thousand and six cycle, this

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<v Speaker 1>year feels like deja vu. In two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, w Bush had thirty seven percent approval rating.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is about there. The generic ballot in September of

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<v Speaker 1>six was a D plus six point five. That's about

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<v Speaker 1>the same, though it might be what in both yours

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<v Speaker 1>unpopular WARS members in sex scandals. So I just think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good that's a real thing. And speak of

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<v Speaker 1>sex scandals, we have it's not a sex scandal, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's many times Wars. These abuse allegations against Max Miller.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not good. Apparently he's saying Mike Johnson has

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<v Speaker 2>his back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Max Miller, member of Congress from Ohio, married

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<v Speaker 1>the order of the Senator from Ohio called Bernie Moreno,

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting divorced. There are allegations he abused tour. There

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<v Speaker 1>are allegations he broke the two year old daughter's collarbone. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>he was on all of the different news stations. He

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Tapper, he went on Newsmax. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter couldn't speak a sentence. Then he said that

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter said he was scared of the mother. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of contradicting each other. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>question of why he had needles. He said he takes testonstone.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a really good example of why when you're

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<v Speaker 1>defending yourself, you're losing. And he also said during this

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<v Speaker 1>time that Mike Johnson had his back. Well, Mike Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>well not brave, does not necessarily have Max Miller's back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that's the thing is this is

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<v Speaker 2>the albatross hanging on their neck for this cycle. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>going to tie the Republican's refusal to have him step down.

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<v Speaker 1>To this and tomorrow is the deadline. So if he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't drop out by tomorrow, he cannot be replaced on

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<v Speaker 1>the ballot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. And it's already looking like they're going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>that seat pretty badly if he stays it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I saw fourteen points behind. He's running so well deserved. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dragging down Bernie Marino in this Miller insinuated yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>what has been reported and George Santos said on the

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<v Speaker 2>congressional four before, which is Marino as a closeted homosexual.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, when he was still in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, keep in mind, he said in the halls

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<v Speaker 2>of Congress in an interview. I watched it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean again, George Santos, I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>George Santos. He's not in Congress. He is the bravo

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<v Speaker 1>congressman from the state of dismay and despair.

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<v Speaker 2>Molly, you know you're getting out the shirt for your birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>that says George Santos warned us.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about this anymore. Speaking of things that

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<v Speaker 1>people don't want to talk about, Let's talk about Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's Great American Fair sponsors.

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<v Speaker 2>Great American State Fair sponsors. He hid millions of donations

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<v Speaker 2>for of Yes, I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To point out that this summer we celebrated the two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America. And what did we

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<v Speaker 1>get for that, Well, Donald Trump got a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you'll be shocked. To hear that every time there's

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<v Speaker 2>something that he can find a way to smuggle some

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<v Speaker 2>money in, he takes the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to talk about the companies involved, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a who's who of everyone who's bad. Palent Here,

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<v Speaker 1>Bowen Excellent Mobile, perhaps you remember them from Killing our Planet,

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<v Speaker 1>United Healthcare Group, and more defense contractors Lockheed Martin, ge Aerospace.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think is the most important part here, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is reporting from notice, is that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people did not disclose the money they gave, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a violation of the Federal Lobbying Disclosure Act. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're surprised to hear that people were doing illegal

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the Trump White House, but they were. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's influenced. At best, it's influence trading. Ed worst, it's bribery.

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<v Speaker 1>And here it is the question of freedom to fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is it was bribery. Mark Elias is the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Democracy Docket. Welcome, Welcome, Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Let mether.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether it's terribly oppressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how do you think? So let's talk about the midterms,

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<v Speaker 1>where we just are cruising into the midterms. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>much anxiety, like Donald Trump is clearly worried about the midterms,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why he wants always to say to pass

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<v Speaker 1>the Save Act because he's worried that too many people

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<v Speaker 1>will vote. I saw these Michigan numbers from last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Republican primary voters are like very at a low ebb

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<v Speaker 1>in Michigan. Like, what is Donald Trump's plan for the midterms?

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<v Speaker 3>So first of all, we are ninety days from the

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<v Speaker 3>mid elections, so this is a critical date for reasons

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<v Speaker 3>that we can get into legally, it will become harder

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<v Speaker 3>for Donald Trump to pull off what he's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>pull off. But I think if you, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to know, like what the macro plan is, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is not doing the things a president would do if

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<v Speaker 3>they thought they could improve their popularity. He's not doing

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<v Speaker 3>the things that you would do even if you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>think you could improve your popularity, but you were trying

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<v Speaker 3>to motivate your own base voters. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty clear what he is doing is he is putting

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<v Speaker 3>all of his eggs in the voter suppression and election

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<v Speaker 3>subversion basket, which is why, rather than prioritizing legislation that might,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, you know, improve his popularity, or even be

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<v Speaker 3>a sugar rush, like a tax cut, right, something like that. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>he is prioritizing things like the Same Act because he's

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<v Speaker 3>figured out that they're that the voters have figured the

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<v Speaker 3>voters know who he is, you know what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about this the other day, Molly, because

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to our mutual friend Nicole Wallace, and like,

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<v Speaker 3>there got to be a point, like in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and six, or people had just figured out who George

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<v Speaker 3>Bush was and they weren't going to move off of them.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, like that's where Donald Trump is. So

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<v Speaker 3>he has figured out that his only effort, his only chance,

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<v Speaker 3>is to try to make it harder for people to vote,

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<v Speaker 3>an easier for him to cheat.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about that, because I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>so important. Harder to vote, easier to cheat. What's he

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<v Speaker 1>doing to make it harder to vote? So the harder

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<v Speaker 1>the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Portion of the program has a few components. The first

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<v Speaker 3>is obviously him trying to enact the Save Act. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>the Save Act would make it dramatically harder for certain

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<v Speaker 3>voters to vote, and in particular, it would impact black

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<v Speaker 3>voters who have lower rates of passport ownership. Than white voters. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So proving citizenship just for people to keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 3>only two documents do that number. One is a US passport,

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<v Speaker 3>the other is an original burst certificate. So black voters

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<v Speaker 3>would be negatively impacted on passports. Married women would be

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<v Speaker 3>negatively impacted on birth certificates because seventy percent of married

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<v Speaker 3>women have changed their last name at marriage, and so

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<v Speaker 3>there is a mismatch between that birth certificate surname and

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<v Speaker 3>the surname they currently have. So a birth certificate alone

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<v Speaker 3>won't actually prove citizenship for the vast majority of women

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<v Speaker 3>who are married. And before people say, yeah, but isn't

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<v Speaker 3>it mostly Republican women. Don't more Republican women change their

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<v Speaker 3>last name than Democratic married women. The answer is probably,

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<v Speaker 3>But the truth is seventy percent of.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's humanous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it's like just it's a big pool. And

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<v Speaker 3>when you look at the gender gap between men and women,

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<v Speaker 3>like you start to see how this all holds together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's talk about the other part. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>maying it harder to vote, but then there's the other part,

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<v Speaker 1>which is trying to sort of subvert the elections to

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<v Speaker 1>dirty tricks. How worried are you about that and talk

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<v Speaker 1>us through what you think. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that the most abnormal of all of

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<v Speaker 3>the abnormalness of the way Donald Trump is going out

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<v Speaker 3>this election is how direct he is being about the

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<v Speaker 3>second right, Like you and I could have done this

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<v Speaker 3>podcast in two thousand and fifteen, for example, twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 3>and said, okay, Republicans have a plan to suppress voting rates, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and like we would have we would have said, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what they were doing. We you and I talked,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in twenty twenty one after the voter suppression

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<v Speaker 3>laws that Republicans trumpeted about voter suppression. So like, in

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<v Speaker 3>some ways voter suppression has been a Republican tool that

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<v Speaker 3>they trod out that they are constantly trying to use.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's really alarming is that Donald Trump is being

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<v Speaker 3>pretty direct on the second part of this, which is

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<v Speaker 3>like trying to subvert the outcome of the election, trying

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<v Speaker 3>to overturn the will of the voters. And that is

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<v Speaker 3>molly a historic. I mean, obviously he did it after

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty, but you don't really see historically Republicans like saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>our plan is.

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<v Speaker 1>To subvert the outcome.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm quite worried because it is so much more

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<v Speaker 3>baked into the atmosphere of the Republican Party. And so

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just like it's not just Donald Trump like

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<v Speaker 3>wandering the halls of the White House at night, adding

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<v Speaker 3>you know, fake gold to the to various parts saying

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<v Speaker 3>I need to subvert the election on social media. It's

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<v Speaker 3>actually an entire infrastructure that includes the Department of Justice,

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<v Speaker 3>includes the Republican Party, includes down ballot Republican candidates, includes

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<v Speaker 3>election officials who have been put in place since the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty elections. So I'm quite worried about it. It

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean I'm hopeless about it. It doesn't mean I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm you know, I am resigned to it. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to fight against it, and I think will win. But

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<v Speaker 3>people need to unders this is a genuine threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the lawlessness that Donald Trump has. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I'm a little bit obsessed with is a

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting pool, because it's one of those things where Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has come up against reality in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>now has messed up his relationship with Judge Piro. And

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you know, because basically he said it

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<v Speaker 1>was vandalism. His director of the interior, Doug Bergham, also

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<v Speaker 1>agreed vandalism, but the court said no, no vandalism, shoddy construction,

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<v Speaker 1>and Judge box of wine has come up against reality. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So talk us through, like why I think of this

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<v Speaker 1>as just such an interesting case for this moment.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, and I wrote about this actually for Democracy Docket,

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<v Speaker 3>and the analogy I drew was Rudy Giuliani. You know

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<v Speaker 3>it is if you remember on November seventh, twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>he stands in the parking lot of the Four Seasons

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<v Speaker 3>Landscaping Company, the victim of an advancer who apparently must

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<v Speaker 3>have thought that the Four Seasons is the Fourth Seasons

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<v Speaker 3>is the Fourth Seasons. But nevertheless, suffering the indignity of

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<v Speaker 3>standing in the parking lot did not stop Rudy Giuliani,

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<v Speaker 3>and he told a series of preposterous lies about the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty election in Pennsylvania. A few days later, he

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<v Speaker 3>finds himself in a sutin tie, sitting in a courtroom

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<v Speaker 3>with a federal judge who is questioning him about the

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<v Speaker 3>claims that they are asserting. And Rudy Giuliani famously and

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<v Speaker 3>firstly says this is not a fraud case. We are

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<v Speaker 3>not alleging fraud, okay. And that is the dichotomy that

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<v Speaker 3>I think has overtaken the Republican Party ever since. It

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<v Speaker 3>is the lying in the parking lot and then confronted

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<v Speaker 3>by federal judges in the courtroom having to concede that

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<v Speaker 3>the things that are being said in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 3>are not actually part of legal cases. And this periodically

0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.919
<v Speaker 3>flares up, and you're exactly right. This flared up with

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<v Speaker 3>the reflecting pool, which is that you had Janine Pierro

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<v Speaker 3>who initially is telling the same lies. Right, She's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she's like on board with the whole you know,

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<v Speaker 3>this is vandalism. They wrongfully charge an innocent man with

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<v Speaker 3>a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Who happens to be an Olympian.

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<v Speaker 3>Who happens to be an olympian, And then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when the rubber meets the road, and now they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to like have to like show up in federal courtrooms,

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<v Speaker 3>right because what people need to understand to indict someone,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no judge really involved in that process. It is

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<v Speaker 3>just a prosecutor in a grand jury room alone with

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<v Speaker 3>the grand jurors. But now this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>like contested proceedings and a judge is going to look

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<v Speaker 3>at this, and all of a sudden, Jeaneine Pierro or

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<v Speaker 3>lawyers under her, you know, are like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 3>we like can't go forward this thing because it's like

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<v Speaker 3>it's demonstrably not true. But Molly, I want to turn

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<v Speaker 3>it back on you for a second because I think

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<v Speaker 3>the other really interesting thing that has not been commented

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<v Speaker 3>on about this reflecting pool is that wasn't Doug Burgham

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be the normal one in the cabinet, Like

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<v Speaker 3>remember he was the moderate governor of I think North Dakota.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like a self made man and a billionaire and

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<v Speaker 3>like right, right, And like the theory was, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he's going into the Interior Department because he's from North Dakota,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's not really going to be one of the

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<v Speaker 3>Maga crazies. And now oddly he is to the crazy

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<v Speaker 3>side of Janine Piro, who is one of the crazies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because I actually know some people who had

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<v Speaker 1>who worked with Doug Burgham who told me that he

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<v Speaker 1>is not as bad as even like a Christino, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And they both come from Dakota's and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>story here that should be the top line, and is

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<v Speaker 1>I think a cautionary tale for all is that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is an infects. Right. You get if you are an

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<v Speaker 1>insecure person in any which way and you get in

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a room with that guy, sooner or later, you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the unconscionable in the hopes of getting him to love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and look, I think that that is exactly the

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<v Speaker 3>tale of this era is people who have sacrificed their

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<v Speaker 3>dignity and reputations simply to be in Donald Trump's good graces.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I mentioned Giuliani, but let's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we could we could start with him. I mean, people forget,

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<v Speaker 3>really Giuliani after nine to eleven was a extremely popular

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<v Speaker 3>figure in this country. And when people talked about him

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<v Speaker 3>running for president, like it was not as a joke,

0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.399
<v Speaker 3>Like people thought, this guy could run for president and

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<v Speaker 3>be the president the United States. And you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>could have a successful law practice, he had a successful

0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 3>consulting practice, whatever it is, and he literally just gave

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<v Speaker 3>that all away, like and I use the word gave

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<v Speaker 3>on purpose, like literally gave it away, gave it away

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<v Speaker 3>to Donald Trump, and now look at him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I mean I think that's exactly the right phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave it away, and he and he gave it away.

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<v Speaker 1>And even like Piro is a more complicated figure, but

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<v Speaker 1>she did, she was actually she did have a real job.

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<v Speaker 1>And even Todd Blanche, you know, I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>someone from the DJ like he was the serious I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this story, Todd Blanche was the serious guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, Todd Blanche is another example, absolutely as a great

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.600
<v Speaker 3>a great example. I mean, Todd Blanche was a federal

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutor in the southern gustry of New York I think

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<v Speaker 3>actually hired by pre Perarra was by all accounts, a

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<v Speaker 3>very well respected federal prosecutor, someone who you know, understood

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<v Speaker 3>the proper role of federal proscuers. He then goes and

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<v Speaker 3>comes a partner at one of the most prestigious law

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<v Speaker 3>firms in New York City, like you know, like, let

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say this as someone who has been a partner

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<v Speaker 3>at a big firm in Washington, d c. And now

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<v Speaker 3>has my own law firm, Like being a partner at

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<v Speaker 3>a big firm in New York City is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the top of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Top, but it's like millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>You make millions of dollars. But you're also you're in

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<v Speaker 3>the circles of finance, and you know, New York's a

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<v Speaker 3>very dynamic as you know, since you get invited to

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<v Speaker 3>all the fancy people dinner parties, like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's at the record show. I'm making a face in

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<v Speaker 1>a ridiculous face.

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<v Speaker 3>Continue, right, But it can be a very like when

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<v Speaker 3>you're in that echelon, you get to meet a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of really interesting people in addition to making, as you say,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money. And he gave all of that away,

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<v Speaker 3>gave all of that away, and for what to be

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump's attorney general? Like answer this, which of Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's former attorney generals are better off for having done it?

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<v Speaker 2>Session?

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<v Speaker 3>Body right, let's starr with Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions gave

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<v Speaker 3>up a Senate seat, wound up attacked by Donald Trump.

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Bill Barr could have been retired as George Bush's attorney general,

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<v Speaker 3>came back and winds up being deposed by the January

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<v Speaker 3>sixth Commission, like basically saying this was all a bunch

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 3>of fucking bullshit. Then you have Pam Bondy, Right, look

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 3>what happened to her? Like does he really think this

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<v Speaker 3>is going to end up any better.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And the thing that I think is really important

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about this time is sooner or later,

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<v Speaker 1>the rule of law will come back, right like, and

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.720
<v Speaker 1>there will be just like the courts have held, there

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<v Speaker 1>will be like maybe Donald Trump will never go to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably he won't, and maybe his kids will. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people doing a lot of really

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 1>illegal stuff, making money, doing self dealing. Those people are

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So two things I'd say. Number one, Donald Trump

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 3>is an old man, Like Donald Trump is an old man.

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, by the time he has done with his

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 3>presidency will be in his mid mid eighties. And so

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 3>you're right, like I think Donald Trump will live out

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the rest of his days as the former president, you know,

0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.160
<v Speaker 3>barking at paintings in Marlacco and that'll be it. And

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you're right in the end he pardons his kids,

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.919
<v Speaker 3>who knows, you know, but maybe he does that and

0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.679
<v Speaker 3>they and they wind up being okay. Although remember federal

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 3>partons don't affect state crimes, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, there's so much stuff that this crew

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>is doing right now, right, So, like, whether.

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 3>It's the kids or someone else, like, like, none of

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 3>these people will be covered by from state prosecutions, and

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that includes, by the way, state tax violence. Right, we

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 3>talk about the immunity that they got that Donald Trump

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.679
<v Speaker 3>got with the federal taxes doesn't affect state taxes. But

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 3>for everyone else, I would ask them three questions. Number One,

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<v Speaker 3>are you really so sure Donald Trump is going to

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.920
<v Speaker 3>issue a pardon at the end? I mean Donald Trump

0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:00.479
<v Speaker 3>told people who was going to pardon at the end

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 3>of his first term, and there were all of these

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 3>examples of people asking him for pardons and he didn't

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 3>issue any. Okay. Number one. Number Two, again, if you're

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Todd Blanche or you're Doug Bergham, like, is that how

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 3>you want to go out? You want to go out

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 3>as a sort of a disgraced figure for a disgraced

0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 3>administration that got pardoned, Like, are you really then better

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:28.159
<v Speaker 3>off than you were like before going into this? And

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<v Speaker 3>then finally, and this is the one, Molly that I

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.159
<v Speaker 3>have a really hard time with. And you know, you

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 3>have kids and I have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I in the.

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<v Speaker 3>End, you know, want my children and my children's children

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<v Speaker 3>and others to look back on this era as they

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.199
<v Speaker 3>will and feel like, you know, what I did the

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<v Speaker 3>best I could and was I perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I get it all right?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>But but fundamentally for the big fight of this time,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what this is going to be, like which

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 3>side would ion? And I think people and my kids

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 3>will say, I always on the right side. And I

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 3>don't understand how for Todd Blanche or Doug Bergham or

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 3>any of these folks Pam Bondy, like, history's not going

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:17.959
<v Speaker 3>to remember like the details of like oh you opened

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<v Speaker 3>this public land or closed this public land or even

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 3>the reflecting pool, but they will generally know whether when

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 3>democracy was at stake, you know, you were working for

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, the good guys are the bad guys

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<v Speaker 3>like you, you know, like today Molly, Like if someone

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<v Speaker 3>says this person worked with doctor King, right, this person

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 3>worked with bull Connor, Like it doesn't really matter what

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.120
<v Speaker 3>they were doing for bull Connor. It doesn't even matter

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 3>so much what they were doing for doctor King, Like

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 3>history has a way of fuzzing that over. And I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't understand why these people want to be remembered

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<v Speaker 3>for being on the side of authoritarianism when that will

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<v Speaker 3>be the big historical marker.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely just totally baffling and strange.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that, but then ply you look, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take this sort of into the New

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 3>York City world. You know, we've been talking about the

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 3>DC world, which is where I live. And we could

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 3>say the same thing about John Thune. We could say

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing about a lot of the senators, the

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Republican senators. But you know, I also I look at

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 3>the business titans, the people who have all of the

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 3>money in the world, all of the money in the world.

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're running Amazon, They're running they're shooting things

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 3>into space, They're they're running investment banks or big publicly

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 3>traded companies. They've got everything they could possibly want and don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And you would think they too are facing this choice,

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<v Speaker 3>and wouldn't they want to be on the right side.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet I continuously read on X or read about

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 3>on X them writing these long, embarrassing screeds, and I

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 3>just don't get what they think they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also just so at a moment when in a

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<v Speaker 1>quality wealth inequality is the highest has ever been, and

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>we're clearly heading towards the reckoning, why these people can't

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<v Speaker 1>just make a slightly less disgusting decision at this moment

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>is sort of shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark, Thank you, thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Molly, I love your podcast. I'm glad you invited

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<v Speaker 3>me back. It's been a while.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Will you come back? I will.

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, I'm going to do this

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<v Speaker 3>on the air so that Molly has to have me back.

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, We'll always have you back. I'm a fan.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Shane Goldmacher is a national political correspondent for The Nearing Times. Welcome, Welcome, Shane,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me. Okay, so you have many things

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that you need to talk to us about, because you

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 1>have a really big story that I want to talk

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to you about. But first I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about the Michigan primaries that you have been covering.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk us through the polling was like doctor elsaid is

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<v Speaker 1>going to win by I saw twelve, I saw eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we don't yet know what happened with the

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 4>polling other than it was wildly inaccurate and like not

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 4>for the first time this year. In fact, that you know,

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 4>I was thinking this morning, the two most expensive primaries

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 4>in the country were this one and the Texas Republican

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 4>primary at the beginning of this year. And you'll remember

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 4>that the polling totally blew that race too. The expectations

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 4>had been that was going to run away with the

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 4>very first round against John Cornyn, and again Cornyn received

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 4>tens of millions of dollars more television ads, and the

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 4>final result was a heck of a lot closer than

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 4>the pre election polls. And same as Michigan. You know,

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 4>you saw I think it was, you know, an average

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 4>of fifteen points up. Bell say ed was in the

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 4>final sets of polls, some of which were at leased

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 4>by people supporting him to potentially drive narrative. And you

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 4>see today what amounts to currently less than one percentage

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 4>point victory, less than fifteen thousand votes of one point

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 4>five million caps. Is it that polls are missing people

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 4>who are less engaged but swayed by TV ads. That's

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 4>certainly an hypothesis, But it's a question I think the

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 4>polling industry is going to have to answer. But I mean,

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 4>I think this race is a big deal. Regardless margin

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 4>of his victory. It's the fact of his victory that

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 4>is so important in democratic politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to talk about candidate quality for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also want you to talk about he did

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<v Speaker 1>have an elected position in Michigan that was in public health,

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>which he did try to run on I think pretty effectively.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was an appointed position, but you know,

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 4>he definitely held a public office. Or Yeah, I mean

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 4>if you watch him on the campaign trail and you

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 4>watch Hailey Stevens on the campaign trail, there is a

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 4>gap there. Right. He is a skilled communicator. He talks

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 4>very quickly. Politics is complicated, but also it's simple, and

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 4>he had a slogan and it was something that people

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 4>remembered by the end to the campaign. It was, you know,

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Medicare for all. It was a call and response, get

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 4>money out of politics, right and get money in your pocket.

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 4>If you can boil your message down the simple things

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 4>that people can both repeat and like, that's pretty important. Right.

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter if you're running is a right wing conservative,

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 4>eleft wing progressive, as a centrist. If you have ideas

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 4>that appeal to people that they can remember you buy,

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 4>that's really valuable. You know, we looked in New York

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.239
<v Speaker 4>City at the mayor's race last year, Right, these were

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 4>the kinds of things that Mom Donny had, and it

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 4>was a different list of items, but it was things

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 4>that resonated with the voters he needed to vote for him,

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 4>and it was things that they could remember. And I

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 4>think that if you were to try to boil down

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 4>Alie stevens candidacy, there isn't a call and response. There

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 4>was an argument about electability, and there was a familiar

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 4>case that she is more moderate, traditional fit for Michigan

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 4>and frankly a safer pick the Democratic Party to make

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 4>in a year where many Democrats feel they have to

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 4>win in in a state where everybody knows the Democrats

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 4>have to win, And so she didn't have that same

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of energy and message.

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>That he developed. I was reading a very smart piece

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>about moderates. But one of the cases for a more

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>progressive candidate is that when Democrats are having an enthusiasm problem,

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>as which they are right now, candidates like doctor Elside

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>have real enthusiasm right in a way that maybe a

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Hailey Stevens doesn't. He has assroops enthusiasm. Did you see that,

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and if so, do you think like the Democrats have

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>alienated them by the establishment has alienated them by going

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>so firmly behind Stevens.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in general, primaries are primaries, and it's actually

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 4>pretty rare that somebody feels so alienated for primary to

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 4>completely opposed the other person based on how the primary

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 4>is run. I do think that there are people who

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 4>are supportive of Hailey Stevens who are unlikely to end

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 4>up dual LSA ED voters in the general. And I

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 4>think the biggest question is not just voters but for

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 4>financial supporters, which is that this is among the single

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 4>biggest investments Apack has ever made in a race. He

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 4>would be the first ever Muslim US senator and does

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 4>a pack bend against him in the general election. And

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 4>for Mike Rogers, they haven't said what they're going to do,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 4>But that's a question as well. It's a question on

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 4>individual voters, and it's a question of individual spending by

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 4>groups that have been heavily involved in this race that

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 4>spent directly something like thirty million dollars through super PACs

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 4>that are linked to Apack.

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<v Speaker 1>In Michigan, Bernie Sanders did win the primary in twenty sixteen,

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>so there clearly is an appetite for populism, right.

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he lost in twenty twenty though, when he ran

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 4>against Joe Biden. I was looking at the map lack

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 4>as the results came in, of what did Bernie's results

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 4>look like against Hilary Clinton and what does l s

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Aide's results look like against Hilly Seams And they don't

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 4>match up. You know, sometimes you see these sort of

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 4>progressive and centrist matchups and the maps look the same

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 4>six years later, eight years later, two years later. This

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 4>is a very different map. You know, Bernie Sanders had

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 4>an appeal among white rural voters in that election where

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 4>he was winning a lot of counties that Hillary Clinton

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 4>was not, and it with Stevens who was picking up

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 4>some of those counties. The margins on the other hand,

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 4>that you saw a sad run up in the college

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 4>areas in Grand Rapids, in ann Arbor, and those counties

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 4>that contain them were pretty huge. In some places you

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 4>could zoom in on, like particular precincts around colleges. You know,

0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 4>he really mobilized younger voters. It appears and appears to be,

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 4>at least at a first glance, more educated political coalition.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>And so it's not the.

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 4>Same coalition that Bernie Sanders won with. But yeah, and look,

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 4>I think the results in Michigan, right is important this year. Right,

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:14.839
<v Speaker 4>this is the biggest win that the left has had.

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 4>They've won a bunch of primaries in a bunch of

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 4>House districts, but it's been in Philly, in Brooklyn, in

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Manhattan and Denver. This is not small cities. This is

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 4>a state, and it's a battleground state, and it's a

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 4>state that the Democratic Party just put at the very

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 4>front of the calendar in twenty twenty eight to pick

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.920
<v Speaker 4>the next presidential nominee. So you better believe that this

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 4>map is going to get studied. But everybody who runs

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 4>for how you can potentially build a coalition because it's

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 4>i think now the fifth state that it is going

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 4>to vote in the twenty twenty eight election. So it's

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 4>not gonna be the first. There's not gonna be seventeen candidates.

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 4>There might be two, there might be three. And so

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 4>what we are looking at here is both how this

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 4>race unfolded and how the results came in like very

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 4>much a roadmap or a preview of what we could

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 4>be looking at in twenty twenty eight, which is frankly

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 4>what scares a lot of Democrats because this was a

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 4>pretty ugly primary. The kind of tenor that came through

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:08.959
<v Speaker 4>at the end was bitter. I mean, it's like bitter

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 4>maybe a dramatic understatement.

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>When you look at that Republican primary in Texas. Is

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>this a story of money in politics working better? Like?

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because with the deal with the Republican primary,

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the money actually did almost save Cornin and the money

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>did actually almost save Haley Stevens.

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 4>If you think that money doesn't matter in Paul, I

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 4>think the results this year should tell you that it matters.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 4>It also tells you that it's not enough, right that like,

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 4>having more money does not get you a victory in

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 4>a race, but it buys you table stakes.

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 4>If you are a struggling candidate and you get fifty

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 4>million dollars, well, guess what, you might be a little

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 4>bit more competitive of a candidate. But all of that

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 4>money brings more attention, It brings more questions of voters, googling,

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 4>voters looking bill up, voters paying attention to the debates,

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 4>and so you know, it does crystallize the choice that

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 4>voters have. And I think it's worth noting those two

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 4>states have the biggest polling error of the year, which

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 4>is what made me think about maybe the money has

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 4>a over lot by you know, something I have to

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 4>look into. But yeah, it wasn't decisive in either of

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 4>these cases, even if it directly impacted the result. You know,

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 4>the person who was on the losing end of the

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 4>money race was on the winning end of the elections.

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you got this missing chapter from the DNC autopsy.

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this story is just such a bad story.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>But give us the setup here because it's just bizarre.

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 4>When Ken Martin, who's the DNC chairman, won his election

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 4>last year, one of the very first promises he made

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 4>was euro study of what went wrong in twenty twenty

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 4>four so the party would never make those mistakes again.

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 4>And this was going to be pretty widely anticipated. Donors

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 4>wanted the party to whole to account what went wrong.

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 4>The whole idea was there were lessons to be learned

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 4>in defeat. And then this sort of report kept missing

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 4>deadlines and it leaked, and by last December, mart re

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.360
<v Speaker 4>Verus himself said, Okay, we're winning again. We won the

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.320
<v Speaker 4>governor's races in New Jersey, we won the races in Virginia.

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 4>We're not releasing a report, thinking maybe this would be

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 4>the end of it, and it was very much not

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.479
<v Speaker 4>the end of it, because he spent the next five

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 4>months fielding questions about what was he hiding, what was

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 4>in this secret report, And so that in May he

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.720
<v Speaker 4>released a report and said, this isn't really a report.

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 4>This is like a rough draft that was turned in

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 4>by an author, and the draft is kind of crappy,

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 4>and they annotated it on every single page. They said

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 4>there wasn't source material provided and that this is disavowed

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>and incorrect. And so for the first time, the author

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 4>of that draft, the person that Ken Martin had empowered

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 4>to write this critical report, spoke to me and told

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 4>me what had happened from his perspective, and he said

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 4>that rough draft, which they should have released, they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even release everything. He said there was an entire different

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 4>chat that he had personally handed in to Ken Martin

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 4>in a binder in January, and the party never released.

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 4>And so the story from this week was, well, what

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 4>was in that chapter and how did this even come

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 4>to be? The chapter itself contained some of the things

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 4>that were sort of conspicuously missing from the report that

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.879
<v Speaker 4>they did put out, like should Joe Biden have run?

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 4>And it was like, this is a real problem and

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 4>a key decision point in the entire election. Obviously that

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 4>had been sort of missing from the chapter. I ashould

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 4>say the chapter's title was what happened right, the kind

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 4>of thing that you would expect an autopsy to be covering.

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 4>It also really took on the consultant class and said

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<v Speaker 4>that there are people who had gotten generationally wealthy about

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 4>working in politics, and that those who wanted to make

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 4>change were banging their head against that system.

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Which seems pretty clearly obviously Joe.

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<v Speaker 4>And a real frustration for like a lot of people

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 4>in the party. So but here's the twist. Ken Martin says, no, Dice,

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 4>this is not true that this man who he had

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 4>empowered tote this autopsy, who was his friend, had not

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 4>in fact handed him this chapter, had not put it

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 4>in a binder, and that he had never seen it,

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 4>and party officials had never seen it, and that this

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 4>is not some unreleased chapter, but this is something that

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 4>didn't exist at all. And so the story that I

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.399
<v Speaker 4>wrote sort of went through the back and forth of

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 4>what they both said had happened, as well as the

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 4>contents of this chapter. And I think for Ken Martin

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 4>This just comes at a moment where he's really already

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 4>under fire in his role as party chairman. And we

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 4>just talked about the importance of money the DNC has

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 4>broke compared to the Republican Party right now, and the

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 4>most recent telling, the DNC had negative two million dollars

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 4>cash on hand, two million dollars more in debt than money.

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 4>The Republican National Committee has like one hundred and twenty

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 4>eight point five million dollars. One hundred and thirty million

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 4>dollars is an awfully large gap to have with less

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.839
<v Speaker 4>than one hundred days into the election, and so Ken

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 4>Martin's been facing a lot of questions about that, he

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 4>says to other issues as well, and so this dispute

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 4>over this autopsy from the person he had entrusted to

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 4>write it is just sort of another headache for him

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 4>on an issue that he really hoped to put in

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 4>his past last December and yet continues to drive on.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I think is interesting about

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>this autopsy is that it is not supposed to be

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 1>a thing that blocks the sun right Like at every point,

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 1>what Martin did actually made the problem worse, Like had

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 1>he just released the autopsy and people had read it,

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>even if they didn't love it. Pushing back was probably

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the worst part of it. This friend of Martin's, the

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 1>guy who wrote the autopsy, whose name is Paul Rivera.

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Paul Rivera said that he printed out that chapter and

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>put it in the binder because when he saw Ken Martin,

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Ken Martin said he hadn't read it, right, Is that right?

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 4>And Paul said that and basically gave him feedback that

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 4>I was disappointing this report. And his version is that

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 4>he's saying, you didn't cover this, You didn't cover this,

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:55.840
<v Speaker 4>and Paul's like, I did, you haven't really read this

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 4>whole thing. I'm going to print a copy, including this

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 4>chapter that I finished, and I'm going to hand it

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 4>to you and like, I'd like you to read it.

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 4>And he says, not only did you read it, he

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 4>like marked it up with annotations and post it notes

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 4>and put it back in an overnight binder, you know,

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 4>overnighted the binder back n So that yeah, that's the

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 4>origins of this binder. And of course this binder. Now

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 4>the DNC said they searched for the binder, they couldn't

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 4>find it. Ken Martin gainst ten binders a week. Why

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.959
<v Speaker 4>would they keep this binder months later? So it's a real,

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, a real saga that has continued.

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>He said, He said, binder saga. We have one more

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 1>set of primaries, right at.

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<v Speaker 4>Least, I mean, there's there's a bunch more primaries this year,

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 4>most of them are done. But the next one is

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Wisconsin where the governor's race, where there is another left

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:45.800
<v Speaker 4>wing candidate, a Democratic socialist Francesca Hall, who is currently

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 4>the favorite in polling. Of course, now we have even

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 4>more questions than we already did about polling, but certainly

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 4>is the public polling front runner and again a critical

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 4>ground swing state of Wisconsin, and.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>She's running against Tom Tiffany, who is very trumpy and

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks you for a current mainline Republicant.

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<v Speaker 1>This yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, Shane, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>No moment, Jesse Cannon, my jun Fast Sue.

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing a letter from a bunch of people in

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Congress that is saying that they want the Pentagon to

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>probe Trump family backed companies because you'll be shocked here,

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of fucker going on with the money.

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>No, come on. The letter to the Pentagon Inspector General

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>was prompted by the Post reporting its startups affiliated with

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 1>the president's sons. Oh really, the president's sons.

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Never would guess I have one more.

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<v Speaker 1>Than three point two billion in defense contract. That can't

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>be right. A group of Democratic lawmakers have asked the

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Pentagon's official watchdog to open an investigation after The Watching

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Post revealed that fifteen copanies with investments from President Donald

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Trump's sons have garnered three point two billion dollars in

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 1>federal contract. It's called nepotism, team, and it's happening in

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 1>our federal government. As someone who has benefited by nepotism myself,

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 1>it's not good. It's real bad. That's it for this

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