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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah wow, Yeah, that's what we do here on Fridays.

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Speaker 3: It is Friday, October twenty ninth, twenty twenty one, a loaded,

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Speaker 3: I probably should have been from the beginning. It's Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports Showtime, the American Alpha in the flesh himself.

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Speaker 3: But you're here for me necessarily, right. You like the

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Speaker 3: in the game today a man who was just recently

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Speaker 3: yesterday accosted at a local Washington, DC park for reasons.

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Speaker 3: I'll let him explain. It's Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: It's because I'm an eye land by.

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Speaker 3: Uh No.

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Speaker 2: I had a Cannibal Corp shirt on, and this dad

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Speaker 2: who was probably who probably peece sitting down thought it

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Speaker 2: wasn't appropriate. I talked to my wife about it, and

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Speaker 2: is some graphic imagery on the shirt, so like.

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Speaker 3: Sir, our children don't appreciate your abortion rock tendencies. Okay,

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Speaker 3: come on, please, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I was like, listen, folks, it's Halloween. How do you

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Speaker 2: know I'm not being festive? You fox? Anyway, I'm still

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Speaker 3: You are starting to look a little bit like a warlock, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I've not always been a Dodge Neon. I've turned into one,

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Speaker 3: I drove a Dodge Neon, by the way, from nineteen

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you very much. Hey, what do we

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Speaker 3: got today? Loving right is what I got? But we

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Speaker 3: the people buy it, all right, Luke, I ain't seen

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Speaker 3: anyone buying shirts with your face on it. Okay, another

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Speaker 3: Luke will tell you something gross, probably involving sand. So

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Speaker 3: there's that right there, Luke, you know it is Uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where I'm going here, Luke,

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Speaker 3: you have anything else? Or should we just talk about UFC?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: That is a that is fantastic. I love that. Oh

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Speaker 3: look one more thing. I was so you know, touched,

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Speaker 2: I think you just set a sentence that literally doesn't

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Speaker 3: Can we teach BC natural history? All right, guys, it's

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here to give you facts, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: All right, anything else? Look you on any insults? You

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Speaker 3: with a bang light heavyweights In the main event, the

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Speaker 3: against John Jones. Luke, I love this fight. The more,

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Speaker 3: Before we break down the matchups, do you have any

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Speaker 3: this man and Yanblohovitch.

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Speaker 2: I'm picking him to win. How did they say, how

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Speaker 3: By disparaging him by not outright claiming he's the best

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's Yeah, sorry, that's not a proven

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Speaker 2: Yan Belhovitch is on the short list, and but probably

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, sorry, fans. I know that's your contention. I

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Speaker 3: here regurgitating Gordon wood right Essex Vickers County, Chapter nine.

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Speaker 3: I got all that shit. I read that too, tough guy.

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Speaker 3: But look, here's the deal. This is a great fight

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Speaker 3: when you look at what separates them, what makes them great?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit simplistic to say strictly

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Speaker 2: by that is Glover can strike. He does work behind

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Speaker 2: But here's just a problem for MEB See, when you

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Speaker 2: That was one problem. I do think he has cleaned

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Speaker 2: that up a lot perfect no, but much better. But

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Speaker 2: that problem is not altogether removed. And more to the point,

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Speaker 2: there's just not a lot of head movement with him.

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Speaker 2: He gets hit clean right down the middle, a lot

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Speaker 2: on jabs, on uppercuts, on hooks. Well, dude, what is

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Speaker 2: yon Belhovitch good at those particular series of punches, not

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Speaker 2: on defense like I do think Glover can get him down,

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Speaker 2: and we should say if Glover gets him down in

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Speaker 2: terms of matt prowess, Glover is way better than yon Blahovich.

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Speaker 3: He took his soul and his teeth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, just a great story for both

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Speaker 3: What he specifically said was coming up. He would be

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Speaker 3: This is going to be an interesting fight. I love

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Speaker 2: What are your answersuations? I tend I think it probably

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Speaker 2: He doesn't necessarily make all of the decisions that are perfect,

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're right on. You know, we were

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Speaker 3: a large statement. The betting odds right now Luke minus

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Speaker 3: forty for Glover to Share. It seems about right. Glover

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Speaker 3: we mentioned, though. We asked the poll on our YouTube page,

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Speaker 3: eighty three percent are going with Yon Blohovich. At the moment,

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Speaker 3: I want to know what you're going with winner method

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Speaker 2: I tend to think I think Blkhovich will win, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is Jon's fight to win. I

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Speaker 3: It may come on the ground, he may he may

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Speaker 3: the west of their way. Give me Yon by decision

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Speaker 3: to move on, advance and continue what's becoming an impressive

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Speaker 3: I do, Luke quickly, what do you think is next

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Speaker 3: for the winner of this How do you think the

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Speaker 3: future of the division is gonna shake out over the

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Speaker 3: next year?

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Speaker 2: Jesus, I'm not even sure. I haven't seen the rankings.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be someone the winner of this has

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Speaker 2: to face Yuria Prohatchka, right. I think he's even in

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Speaker 3: So is any fighting rackets or did I make that up? Luke?

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Speaker 2: We should know better, but I actually don't know. Oh,

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Speaker 2: isn't supposed to be fighting Anthony Smith again because Smith

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, they've been calling each other out, so.

429
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Speaker 2: Something like that. Dude, I really don't know, but I

430
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Speaker 2: would say that like probably in that Praschka is the

431
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Speaker 2: guy I think fans want to see. I think management

432
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: wants to see as well, because A he's all action

433
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 2: and B he probably deserves it, so it's somewhere with him.

434
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Speaker 2: And then after that there's a Smith kind of racket situation.

435
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Speaker 3: Fans and management want Prahatska next. Luke wants Anthony Smith.

436
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Speaker 3: More news at eleven, Luke, Our second topic of this

437
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Speaker 3: Friday show is the second biggest fight on this card,

438
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: and you can really argue it is the fight on

439
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Speaker 3: this UFC two sixty seven card, defending on your your position.

440
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 3: It's the bandamweight division. It's an interim title at stake

441
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 3: when former champion pay yoder Yon a minus two thirty

442
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: five favorite against a very live underdog here and plus

443
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: one ninety Cory Sanhagen. You can argue, as we did

444
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: the other day, that Sanhagan maybe deserved that nod against TJ. Dillshaw. Either,

445
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 3: he's in a spot here for the interim title. Dana

446
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: said yesterday that the winner will face Al Jamaine. As

447
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: you mentioned TJ. Dilshaw maybe taking longer than we thought

448
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: to recover big stakes. Whether or not the winner of

449
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: this should be looked at as the real champion, This

450
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 3: is a great ass frickin' fight on paper. I love

451
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: the little bits of talk at the press conference. I

452
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 3: love the attitude of Yan. I love the things that

453
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 3: Sanhagen's can do because of his length, size and skills

454
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: that really nobody else can. Where are you looking early

455
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 3: in this fight that's gonna give you some information as

456
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Speaker 3: who can come out on top.

457
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: I'd say a couple of things. I'm gonna look to

458
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: see what kind of leg kicking Yan does to Sandhagen

459
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: to slow him down. Sandhagen has an entire striking game.

460
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: I won't say it's all entirely built off of motion,

461
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: but motion is perhaps the most key ingredient to it all,

462
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 2: and so to the extent you can remove the motion,

463
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: you can take away a lot of what he has

464
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 2: to offer. I wonder if that will play a role.

465
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: The other thing I'm gonna be looking for is is

466
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: Yon looking for takedowns? Right because a guy like Cory

467
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: Sandhagen versus Peter Jahan on the feet, maybe Yan can

468
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: beat him, maybe he can't. It's a very competitive fight

469
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 2: on the feet. If it was just if it was

470
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: just that, not kickboxing per se, but mm striking about

471
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: in the sense that we understand them to be. It's

472
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: very competitive there. But you have to just look at

473
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: the history of Corey Sandhagen getting taken down and then

474
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: choked out quickly by al Jamain Sterling, and even in

475
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: the fight with TJ Dillashaw, where you know, listen, did

476
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: I think personally that TJ was doing a lot with

477
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Speaker 2: the pressing sand Haagan against the fence or taking him

478
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: down very briefly and then not doing a whole lot

479
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Speaker 2: on the ground, or you know, a certain times Sanhagan

480
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: had a very active guard, which he does. I did

481
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: not think that I thought Cory Sanhagen won, But dude,

482
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Speaker 2: just you have to recognize and we talked about it

483
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: in that interview with him afterwards, I was like, what

484
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: about just the reality of fighting, not so much to

485
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 2: the judges, but in a way that folks under like

486
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: he would accommodate certain opponents by like going to the

487
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: ground with them in ways where he didn't need to.

488
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: I think if you pull that for a I mean,

489
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: you know, listen, it cost you against Aljamayer, but it

490
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: was quick. It kind of cost him maybe the fight

491
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Speaker 2: against TJ. Dillashaw over the course of five rounds. Dude,

492
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: you can't do it anymore. You can't do it. This

493
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: is a chance at a title shot. They're both coming

494
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Speaker 2: off of losses. This is a one in a million

495
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: opportunity in a sense, like how many times a you're

496
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Speaker 2: going to find yourself losing a main event like that

497
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Speaker 2: then getting an interim title fight against the guy who

498
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Speaker 2: people sort of recognize as maybe the best one in

499
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Speaker 2: this division. I mean, this is you're never going to

500
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: find yourself here again. It is time to learn the

501
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: lesson from those mistakes. Like whatever we think fighting should

502
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: be or how it should be judged, you are allowed

503
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: to hold those positions, but if you want to win.

504
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: On October thirtieth, twenty twenty one. You need to have

505
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: a style much more accommodating of how we understand fights

506
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: to be won and lost as it relates to the

507
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Speaker 2: ground game. And he has been way, way too willing

508
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: to give up the back, to give up the takedown,

509
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: to give up position in those cases because he's like, oh,

510
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm in trouble. I understand that.

511
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: I respect that, I really do, but this is for

512
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: the title. It is time to put that away. It's

513
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 2: time to learn from those mistakes. So if Yan is

514
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: taking him down consistently BC, and let's say, you know,

515
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: Corey's working his guard, but you can tell that Yan

516
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: is having success with this more or less, dude, that

517
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: is a very bad sign for Corey. Conversely, if he's

518
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: stuffing takedowns, breaking the hands, not willingly giving his back,

519
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: I remember how many times he gave his back standing

520
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: he couldn't believe it. If he's finding a way around

521
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: those problems, I tend to think he might have his

522
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: way with the entire thing. It's really going to come

523
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Speaker 2: down to what kinds of mistakes and decisions I think

524
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: Cory sand Haagen makes him, what kinds of avenues of

525
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: success A guy like Peter Yon can find.

526
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Speaker 3: You're on fire today, Luke. I think that's a great

527
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 3: way to sum up san Haagan's spot coming in because

528
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: it's like he's had a little bit of bad fortune

529
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: and bad luck. He's also made some mistakes, but there's

530
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: no more excuses. This is his time. It came back

531
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: around again. He was gonna be on the outside looking

532
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: because we're gonna rematch al Joe versus Yan TJ with

533
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: the win was supposed to be next. The doors have

534
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: opened back up. Can he rise to an occasion to

535
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: a level that we haven't seen yet? He's shown flashes

536
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Speaker 3: of it. That's why the odds are so close. He's unique.

537
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: He's great. But my problem with seeing people beat Yan

538
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: in my head is that, look, I don't see any weaknesses.

539
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: Plus he smashes. I mean, the guy's on machine. Is

540
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: there any subtle weakness in his game? Meaning meaning the

541
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: former champ peyoter Yan that you think Sanagan might be

542
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Speaker 3: able to wait for and capitalize on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's really faced anybody quite like

544
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: san Haagen. I mean, Jimmy Rivera is not that guy.

545
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: Jose Aldo is the complete opposite. You know where you know,

546
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: Jose Aldo is a tough, tough nut to crack, don't

547
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 2: misunderstand me, but he's kind of stationary and waiting on you.

548
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: Sanagan is the opposite of that. He's going to be

549
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: all over the place. It's really gonna be incumbent upon Yan, who,

550
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: by the way, I think is more well rounded between

551
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: the two. That always matters for victory. You know, out

552
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: of side, he is not the most well rounded opponent

553
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: at a fighter at middleweight, not by a long shot.

554
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: But he's the champion, not by accident either. But I

555
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: think a guy like jan is gonna have to really

556
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to do the same thing that t. J.

557
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: Delishaw did. You're gonna have to take out the legs.

558
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: You have to press him against the fence. What does

559
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: he do that? Like is like kind of the ace

560
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: in the whole. Again, by the way, he is his

561
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: takedown defense. Not that I think this will be very

562
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: irrelevant here, but I just want to make a point.

563
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Yon's takedown defense might be the best in all of

564
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: the bantamweight division. I mean, it is insanely, insanely good.

565
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: But it just goes back to what I said before. Dude,

566
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Speaker 2: I'm expecting the kicking at range to be a bit

567
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: of a problem. I'm expecting him. I'm expecting Peter Jan

568
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Peodran to be either all the way out or all

569
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: the way in, either hunting that takedown or firing on

570
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: the on the kicking range side of the game. Not

571
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: so much in the boxing range, although obviously parts of

572
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: the fight will take place there. But I don't know

573
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: if there's one like Ace in the whole kind of thing,

574
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: other than he's got other levels to go to, and

575
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: does it seem to suffer from some of them, the

576
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: same mistakes that have cost san Haagan at various junctus

577
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: of his career.

578
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: Yan a slight betting favorite. As I mentioned earlier. Our

579
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Speaker 3: listeners are live. Listeners are p ones over there on

580
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Speaker 3: the YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat page. Reacting to

581
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: our poll, fifty three percent believe Peyota Yan will win

582
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: on Saturday, claim that interim strap Luke tell me from

583
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: I got two feelings here about how this fight's gonna

584
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: go right. Let lease little spirit little jazz hands number one.

585
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: I got a little Woodley Thompson one vibes like I

586
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: think this fight's gonna go deep into the championship rounds,

587
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: and I think there's gonna be a lot of momentum

588
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: switching crazy, you know, grappling, changes in, changes in momentum

589
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: that is, do you see that.

590
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: I could? Yeah, I think I would say. Do I

591
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: think that's the most likely of outcomes? Yeah? Probably probably

592
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: something I mean exactly like Woodley Thompson one. I don't know,

593
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: but in the sense that like y'ah will find the

594
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: back and then Corey will escape, and then Corey might

595
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: begin to put it on him, but then Corey gets

596
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: kicked in the leg and now he's hobbled, and and

597
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. Yes, I mean, these are

598
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: these are two high level operators. Do these guys? Here's

599
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: one thing you can say about both of them, right,

600
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: however lopsided or whatever you want to say with their

601
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: skill sets. Do these guys? Both of them have a

602
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: ton of offensive potency. Their offensive games when they're flowing

603
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: are overwhelming to their opponents in multiple dimensions. So it's

604
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: just hard to know exactly how some of those pieces

605
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: of the puzzle will fit. But these aren't guys who

606
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: are like, oh, I'm a defensive counterfighter. That's really the

607
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: only way I can win. No, dude, these guys can

608
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: win backing up, they can win going fullard. They can

609
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: win in numerous ways with so much firepower. By the way,

610
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: these guys have great cardio, they have great volume. I

611
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: think they both have pretty good chins. I'd probably say

612
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: Corey is a little bit better, but still Yan's pert good.

613
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: So what I do expect is unless someone makes a

614
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: catastrophic error or there's an injury, knock on wood, God forbid. Okay,

615
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: this one might go the full five.

616
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the deal. Though, Yon across the board is

617
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: more well rounded. He's probably the better fighter than the

618
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: two in the two of them, it's why he's the favorite.

619
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: But he made a big mistake, he said, unless there's

620
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: a catastrophic injury or a big missake, he made a

621
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: big mistake against al Joe correct cost.

622
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: Him the type he did. He did, he did.

623
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Speaker 3: I'm not using that as the basis for this second feeling.

624
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm feeling. I feel things all the time, Luke, I

625
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: gotta got a little itchy nish right here. I'm at

626
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: to get a dermatologist involved. I feel weird things all

627
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: the time. Here's what I'm feeling. There's a wild card

628
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: in this fight. It's that Corey Sanhagin's got He's crafty, right,

629
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: He's he's that picture that doesn't have high heat but

630
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: throws junk balls and fork balls and all kinds of

631
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. I just think, Luke, he's gonna have an

632
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: opportunity in this way. I mentioned that earlier, like Glover's

633
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: gonna get that. He's gonna have one window of a

634
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: chance against Yon. You know, can he make it happen?

635
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: I think Corey's gonna get that chance? Corey did? I

636
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: say it's it's Corey san Higgy? Yeah does like Corey

637
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Speaker 3: Manici our producer doesn't he doesn't mind well squirrely little

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Speaker 3: yeah yeah, little yeah y wiry Yeah. So here's the deal, Luke.

639
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Speaker 3: The only the difference is, I think when you look

640
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: at Corey Sanhagen's arc in getting here, I still don't

641
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: think we've seen the very fricking best of him. I

642
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: think it'll happen in this fight, and I think when

643
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: he gets that window of opportunity, I think he's gonna

644
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: get it. I got a feeling, Luke, is it based

645
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: on facts or stats or science like you like to do?

646
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: You know what, Luke? Fuck your science, san Hagen by

647
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: submission round four ish. Okay, tell your friends. I got

648
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: a feeling.

649
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: By the way, it's not my science. It would just

650
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: be everyone science.

651
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: But okay, the hot of the dinosaurs stop evolving because

652
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: because humans are badasses?

653
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: Luke, Okay, humans and dinosaurs never existed simultaneously.

654
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw land of the Loss, bro I saw

655
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: those sleeve stacks.

656
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: All right, you saw you saw gru or whatever?

657
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: The fuck? Yeah, Luke, are you gonna back my pick

658
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: up with a pick of your own?

659
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: I will go. I tell you what I think. This

660
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: is the fight. San Haagen h gets it, stops making

661
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: the errors, and I tend to think on the feet

662
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: he's probably a little bit more dynamic, although jan is

663
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: I mean, that's also unfairly on to say something like

664
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: that in ways, but still the movement, I'm gonna go

665
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: with san Haagen. I think it's gonna be close. And

666
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: Jesus if piotr Yan wins, I mean, who could be

667
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: even remotely surprised. But I've been a big believer in Sanagen,

668
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: and I think I'm hoping, I'm hoping that he learned

669
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: his lessons from the two losses that did not necessarily

670
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: need to be losses.

671
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: Hey, either way, great fight, This is the fight you

672
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: know maybe with Hamzat's return. We'll get to that in

673
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: a second. Being my second most intriguing thing. I love

674
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: the main event, but this co main event is the

675
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: fricking fight on this card, Luke. Not dissimilar to Chandler

676
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: Gaichee for different reasons being the fight next week at

677
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: MSG on my on my card.

678
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: You wait, which one at MSG is your fight on

679
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: the card.

680
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: Oh, Chandler Geechee? Good, good, fricking lord, Luke.

681
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you're not really going out on a

682
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: limb there' That's maybe the easiest fight to like in

683
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: MMA history.

684
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm just telling the facts. I'm telling you

685
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: how what makes my five limbs erect? Luke? It's that

686
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: fight right there, Okay, And it's also this one. This

687
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: bandam weight till on this card, Luke. Let's get into

688
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: the rest of UFC two sixty seven and our third

689
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: topic here. Very very good card here, Thank you, UFC.

690
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: What a time, What a time to be a fan,

691
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: what a time to be alive here, Luke, go ahead,

692
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: Dana put me in another four minute video on Christmas.

693
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: I don't care okay, but I'm still watching this card.

694
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm still enjoying it, Luke. People said, hey, MK, I

695
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: love you. How the hell did you guys not break

696
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: down Islam Makachev versus Dan Hooker at deep detail during

697
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: Wednesday's storyline portion of the show. I don't know, we

698
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: a lot of shit to talk about, but you better believe.

699
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: On Friday's preview prediction portion of the show, we're gonna

700
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: get into this, Luke. This fight freaking rules. Dan Hooker

701
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: quick turnaround from that much needed victory over nas Dak hos.

702
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: Parak Nasak hack parass yes or as I'm sure it's Nasrak,

703
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: you know how reprob the pronounce it.

704
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: Respect Dan Hooker choosing to stay in the US, we

705
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: know the story, pushing the family aside, saying I'm going

706
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: for greatness, a quick turnaround. Here's the deal, though, Luke,

707
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: what he showed against Hosk Perett was an involved wrestling style,

708
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: which you gotta believe long term, great freaking move, because

709
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: with those back to back defeats against the lead opponents,

710
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: we were starting to get a little worried that Hooker

711
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: gets involved a little bit too much in the chaos

712
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: and the firefights. Maybe the potential problem here, Luke, is

713
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: that on Saturday he's facing an absolutely red hot on

714
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: a tear showing us potentially how great he can be.

715
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: In Islam Mahachef, he's the next in line. Tell me

716
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, Luke. Out of all those great post

717
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: Habib smesh factory employees who are ready to take over

718
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: this sport, Hamza being one of them. And I know

719
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: they're not all from Dakistan, but you get my point.

720
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: The Eastern European wrestling smashing bearded takeover here, Islam might

721
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 3: be the guy with the highest ceiling, or the highest

722
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: amount of pate, or just looks most ready right now,

723
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: this is a tough ass fight for Dan Hooker.

724
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: It's a super tough fight for Dan Hooker. And I agree, Like,

725
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: do I think that of all the post Habib smash

726
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: factory guys, either from Georgia or from Chechnya, or from

727
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Dougistan or whatever, do I think that Islam is the

728
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: very best of them? I'm not so sure if I

729
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: think that. However, if you had to ask which one

730
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: is next likely to either win or least contend for

731
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: a UFC title, it's got to be him. It's absolutely

732
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: got to be him. And honestly, I think this is

733
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: a very tough fight for Dan Hooker if it gets

734
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: to the ground. I think Hooker can defend himself ably

735
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: for the most part, but no one can really match

736
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Islam on the ground whatsoever. More Over, it's like, dude,

737
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, Like, you know, I do

738
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: think Dan Hooker's ground game has improved, but like, are

739
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: we really going to believe that Dan Hooker is going

740
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: to get Islam down? Now? If you can rock him

741
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: with a punch, then yes, the whole show changed. But dude,

742
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: Arminsar Yukian struggled like an mff or to get a

743
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: guy like Islam down and win, and even he couldn't

744
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 2: do it. I don't think that's really in the cards

745
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: for Dan. Dan's going to be a guy who I

746
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: think to beat Islam on the feet because it won't

747
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: really be on the ground. To really beat him on

748
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: the feet, dude, you got to have a jab in

749
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: his face. Your clinch breaking has to be on point,

750
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: your footwork has to be fast and nimble and quick,

751
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: and I think Dan's got a lot of those great qualities. Also,

752
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: never lose sight of the fact that when guys closed

753
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: the distance. His step through name in his hip dexterity,

754
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker probably is the very best in all of MMA,

755
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: nobody weaponized through linear attacks up the middle with knees

756
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: in terms of timing and against opponents who aren't even

757
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: necessarily lowering their level all that much. He is a

758
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: devastating force in that way, and I think that can

759
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: cause problems. But what I would really need to see

760
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: is someone who's snappy, quick with the footwork, really just

761
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: was never in a position where they could get backed

762
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: up against the fence or even really to the warning

763
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: track all that much, and if someone tries to put

764
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: hands on them, they're quickly able to extricate themselves. I

765
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: just don't know if Dan's that guy. Quite candidly, I do.

766
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: Who could say anything other than praiseworthy things about his

767
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: character and dud Dan doesn't shy away from a challenge

768
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: even a little bit, even a little bit. But that

769
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: might be a bit of a problem bec because he

770
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: signed up for a fight that is going to be

771
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: hard to win for any lightweight, and I think especially

772
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: for Dan in this case, so.

773
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: High risk, high reward, and you know, if he doesn't

774
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: win it's it's suddenly, Okay, you look good last fight,

775
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: but that's three losses in four fights, so you know

776
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: what's at stake here. Look, I think, look, we all

777
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: expect this fight to be very interesting between two very

778
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: high level capable of guys. You have the betting odds

779
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: when you look at them, they're strong in the direction

780
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: of Mahachev minus six point fifty as the favorite on

781
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: DraftKings plus four sixty Dan Hooker. I don't necessarily disagree

782
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: by the stretch that Islam is on, but I do

783
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: want to play Devil's activate. Can't ask you this. He's

784
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: on an eight fight win streak Mahachev, He's nine and

785
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: one overall in the UFC. But have you seen anyone

786
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: on his resume who's on Dan Hooker's level?

787
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: Though? Okay, that's a good question. So first of all,

788
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: I would say sarry Yuki in is not even close

789
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: to the kind of fighter that Hooker is. But who

790
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: would you pick straight up between sary yuki and and Hooker?

791
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: Serious question?

792
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: That would be a great fight. I probably edge Hooker.

793
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: Am I crazy?

794
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: Luke?

795
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: Am I wrong? No?

796
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: I don't think that's crazy at all, But I would

797
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: probably edge sar Yuki, and so here are the names.

798
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: Thiago Mois. This is good, but you're right, not on

799
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: Hooker's level. Davi Hamosh is quite dangerous, but not in

800
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: the ways that Hooker is. Right like I back the

801
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: exact opposite ways. Drew Doover not on par obviously. I

802
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: think sarr Yuki and I think extremely highly of him,

803
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: but that was, you know, back in twenty nineteen, and

804
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: he's a much more evolved version now, and then Cajun Johnson,

805
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: Gleason Tibau, and then you go down the list Chris Wade,

806
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: Adriana Martinz, which he lost, and then Leo Koontz and

807
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: Nick Lentz. So no, I don't think he's faced a

808
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: striker the caliber of Dan Hooker. I don't think that's

809
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: anywhere on his resume. It's a fair point to bring up,

810
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: and again it should be taken seriously, dud Dan Hooker

811
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: winning this would be somewhat surprising, right, but it shouldn't

812
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: be all that surprising if he wins, given some of

813
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: the strengths that he has still over time, it's a

814
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: three round fight. If Islam is careful and he can

815
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: close the distance and get a hold of him. It's

816
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: just hard to see how Hooker can fight that off.

817
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: And also hooker Hooker tends to be a little bit

818
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: Slow's not the right word, but he has a measured

819
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: pace about how he likes to move. I don't know

820
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: that that's the right matchup for Makachev, but listen, if

821
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: Adriana Martinz can get the win striking granted that was

822
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen, you might like your answers.

823
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: If you're hooker, Yeah, this would be the best, you know,

824
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: underdog story for a hooker since Julia Roberts's character and

825
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: pretty woman Luke. I mean that that was really something

826
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: I did want to say this though, I want to

827
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: amend what I said before about the smashback. I think

828
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: Hamza's got the bigger ceiling, but you know, as you said,

829
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: Islam seems more like the next the right Now, does

830
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: Islam have the striking game that you think he should

831
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: have to be in this spot where if he beats

832
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: Stan Hooker, you know it's nine in a row, we're

833
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: starting to talk about top five title contention. You know,

834
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: let's make moves here. I mean the counter to that

835
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: is it took a while for us to say that

836
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: about Habib, right, So will that matter? Luke, what do

837
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: you think about Islam's striking ability?

838
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: I think it's better than Habib's by a long shot.

839
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: It's much smoother. He has many more rain, many more

840
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: ranges to play with. He can spend much longer on

841
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: the feet. As from a utility perspective, like, if I

842
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: have to fight this for four minutes on the feet,

843
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: can I do it? I absolutely think he can. Habib

844
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: had a game no matter what he was doing, where

845
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: you could tell he was trying to hurry things up.

846
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: It always felt like you know that energy when you're

847
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: trying to get your kid out the door to go

848
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: to the park or something like that, where you're going

849
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: to heard them. It almost felt like he was trying

850
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: to herd the fight in a certain direction in a

851
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: very sort of quick way. Right even when he was

852
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: such searching for the takedown or even just striking on

853
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: the outside, there was an urgency to his game. Islam

854
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: is not like that at all. He very much takes

855
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: his time. So even though he doesn't necessarily have even

856
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: close to the striking of Dan Hooker, given the way

857
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: he might fight, he doesn't necessarily need to because he's

858
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: not going to take a lot of risks at certain spaces.

859
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: He's not going to rush the fight in certain ways.

860
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: He's going to wait for his opportunity, and then once

861
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: he gets it. He has such a skilled differential, either

862
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: from the wrestling or the bodylocked situations, that once that's

863
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: in place, he doesn't really have to worry too much.

864
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to get down on the scorecards by

865
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: going too long or playing too many dangerous games with Hooker,

866
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: so there is obviously a little bit of pressure on

867
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: him to not take forever in that way, but even

868
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: then he can take his time a little bit, and

869
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: that ability to slow the fight down and find the

870
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: more careful, considered openings it's part of the reason why

871
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: he's so successful.

872
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely very much looking forward to this one and

873
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 3: see if Islam can make that leap. See if Dan

874
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: Hooker has got a great hair day this week. Luke's

875
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: got a little little stripe on the side of their

876
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: little old school eighties liking that.

877
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: I like that.

878
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, will it be Islam by unanimous decision at the end?

879
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. Hooker said he had preferred this would

880
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: be five rounds, but look, we can't have. We can't

881
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 3: have every fight on the May card be five rounds,

882
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: all right, We've already got a bunch of them here, Luke,

883
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: I mean, should we go right to Hamzaud now? I

884
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: mean this is this is must see TV, and I

885
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: love I freaking love Hamza Chamayav's sound bites.

886
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: This week.

887
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: We had said this had been a somewhat under the

888
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: radar in terms of the big headlines. This card so loaded.

889
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: We haven't seen Hamzat in a while. After those three

890
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: wins in two months in twenty twenty, the multiple battles

891
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: with COVID. We talked about that in the story lines

892
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: on Wednesday. But he's like, you know, I eat him,

893
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: you know, I mean he's calling out who's mind. He's

894
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: calling out Colby, calling him a white boy. I mean

895
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: his guy. This guy j just says, says I'm the

896
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: real gangster. He challenge that reporter to fight backstage. I mean,

897
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: he's bringing it this week. He's a heavy under heavy favorite.

898
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: Excuse me against the leech who you sent me, Luke

899
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: from one of our listeners, A correct pronunciation? You ready

900
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: for this? The leach? His government name is Lee gian Leons.

901
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: It's pretty close it's pretty close.

902
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, that was pretty good. I'm kind of

903
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: proud of myself there for showing respect for once to

904
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: foreign fighters. Luke, what would the leech have to do here?

905
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: Let's say hamza is not compromised at all from the

906
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: illness and the time off. If we get two warriors

907
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: going at it, why is the leach so high of

908
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: an underdog entering this one? That's got us very excited.

909
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: He's got a good ground game, but only when he's

910
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: leading the charge, right, if he's the one that wants

911
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: to put it on the ground, and then he's executing

912
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: the ground techniques and strategies that are that cater to him. Yes,

913
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: he is a dynamic force on the ground. At least

914
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: he can be a very very formidable opponent. However, if

915
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: it's Comzot doing it and he has to react to that,

916
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: like what kind of he's got? Decent get up he's got,

917
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: he's got some submission certainly from those positions, but he's

918
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: not nearly the offensive potent threat when he's combining top

919
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: control with ground and pound and that kind of thing.

920
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: So if it hits the mat under Hamzad's terms, I

921
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't be too worry, which is why I think the

922
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: odds makers have it that way. Also with the striking,

923
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 2: it's not like he's got like the very coordinated way

924
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: to put it on Hamzap. But what I think he

925
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: can do, and it's risky either way to do this.

926
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: He can bait potentially as we think he can, at

927
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: least it seems possible he could bait Homsat into a

928
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: bit of a brawl, right he can. He can kind

929
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: of go for big shot reactions. He loves to press

930
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: into guys and kind of just get the fight going

931
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: at certain times, really charge it up. He can strike

932
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: a distance. I mean he's got you know, they're showing

933
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: here that the elizu is Alesqui dos Santos win is

934
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: a clear example of that. But sometimes he really likes

935
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: to throw down bite on the mouthpiece kind of a scenario.

936
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: I wonder what would happened in that case. Don't lose

937
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: sight of the fact that Hamzat is a heavy, heavy puncher.

938
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: We knew that before the Mere Shark fight. We knew

939
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: that from the regional scene. He was putting guys lights

940
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: out with one hitter quitters. However, if someone can get

941
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: him into a space where we can see more of

942
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: his game. What happens if you're just exchanging, what errors

943
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: do you make? What traps can you be pulled into?

944
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: What tendencies do you might have? That maybe not enough

945
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: for the Leech to win, but it can certainly tell

946
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: us about the greater totality of Chimayev's game. So it's

947
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: a long shot for the Chinese fighter here to be candid.

948
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: But I do think he's tough. I do think he's durable.

949
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: I think he is resilient, and I think he's got

950
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: abilities everywhere to make Hamzat work for it, which is

951
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: what you want to see, because I want to see

952
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes potentially of CHAMAIAV against somebody who we respect,

953
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: who we know can win against good opponents.

954
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: And Leech is big, he hits hard, he goes after,

955
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: he's tough as shit. He's one four or five. Only

956
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: the loss to Neil Magne during that stretch by decision,

957
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: and of course he's fresh off that first round KO

958
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: of Santiago ponzinibbio. But if you look at the odds

959
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: the Caesar Sports Book at the moment here Luke minus

960
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: five seven five for CHAMAIAV. As the favorite. It's as

961
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: high as six twenty five on some other books, and

962
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: the Leech at plus three of plus four to twenty five.

963
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: So look, this would be the biggest win of the

964
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: leaches career and could propel him higher up into that

965
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: top ten to make some moves. Would you say, given

966
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: look there's a little bit on there's of course, there's

967
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: uncertainty here, the double COVID, the hospitalization, the time off,

968
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: the fact that Jamayav, although he looks spectacular in brief

969
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: spots since his twenty twenty arrival in the UFC, it

970
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: has been a small sample size. Would you throw some

971
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: plus money on the Leach here, given his toughness in

972
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 3: his run and looking at how wide these odds are.

973
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't. But here's what I might say about that.

974
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: People keep asking me like, oh, is CHIMAIV as legit

975
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: as we think he is? And my answer to that

976
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: is he could be. I'm not, in fact anyway saying

977
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: he's not. The argument I've made to this point is

978
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: that we just don't have enough information to affirmatively conclude

979
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: one way or the other. If you have suspicion that

980
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 2: he is the next big thing based on his performances

981
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: and that this will further confirm that I don't think

982
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: that's in any way implausible, perhaps even likely. What I

983
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: would say, though, is I keep making this point. A

984
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: guy like Shavkat Rokmanov is way more proven as a

985
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: talent against good opposition and has shown just a full

986
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: array of not just ground skills or stand up skills,

987
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: but in strategizing and understanding how to pursue a talented opponent,

988
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: how to approach the fight, when to push the gas,

989
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: when to push the brakes. These are higher order decision

990
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: and decision making skills that we have not necessarily having

991
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: to see a guy like Kamzat make. What you could

992
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: argue is, while he has looked impressive in those two

993
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: fights in Fight Island then his last one against Meershart,

994
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: those could be somewhat somewhat he obviously won them, but

995
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: somewhat misleading in that the hype is a little bit overblown,

996
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: and a guy like Li jiang Lang, who is not

997
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't seem to be the same upside

998
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: as Tamaiev is nevertheless the guy who could turn over

999
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: the apple cart. Because we just don't have enough information

1000
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: to affirmative affirmatively conclude that Tamaiev is this next big

1001
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: thing in that sense that unknown you're playing with. Yes,

1002
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: my hunch is that I don't know if Tamaiva is

1003
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: the next big thing, but I'm willing to look more

1004
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: towards that direction as a possibility than that this is

1005
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: just not a fraud per se, but that those were

1006
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: just a mere confluence of events.

1007
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it's looking, according to wiki as a six

1008
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: fight main card at the moment. You agree with that?

1009
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: In with that, hey, it's free, bro, I'm not complaining.

1010
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: Okay, the other two fights we haven't mentioned on that

1011
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: main car we are interesting. Have youweights Alexander Volkov versus

1012
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: Marchen Tai Bura and light have youweights malgamed and Caliev

1013
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: versus a returning vulcan Osdamir luke Wa.

1014
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: A big one?

1015
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: Fire works in both? Are you leaning any direction?

1016
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: And in those two belts, the on Kliath belt for sure, dude,

1017
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: that might be the next champion at two hundred and

1018
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: five pounds. I don't know if Glover's gonna win. I

1019
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: don't know if Yan's gonna win. We'll see what happens

1020
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: with Yuri Pralhatchka Frankly, I don't think any of them

1021
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: are gonna beat on Kliev. I think that dude is

1022
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: about to wear some some some hardware around his waist.

1023
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: If not this year, certainly the next. He is a

1024
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: formidable opponent. He can punch, he is unafraid. He has

1025
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: good takedowns, good ground and pound. He understands how to

1026
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: pursue a fight. He is Uzdamir is tricky, very tricky,

1027
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: so that should not be cast aside. But skill for skill,

1028
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: I think on Calive is going to be a UFC

1029
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: champion eventually.

1030
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: Wow, Uncle Live has won six in a row. This

1031
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 3: is a big step up moment against the former titleer Vulcan.

1032
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: Luke unfortunately has lost four of his last six. He's

1033
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: had some injury layoffs. Once knock the dude out in

1034
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: Fort Lauderdale, Barr shout out to him. But let's not forget.

1035
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: Even though he got knocked out by Yeri Prahatzka, he

1036
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 3: was in that fight. He was dangerous, he was landing

1037
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: some bombs. This could be your sneaky fight of the

1038
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: night in the end.

1039
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: Luke, Yes, it could be, dude. The whole card is filled,

1040
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: not just like that main card Albert Deriah, the guy

1041
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: from the Contender series is on this card. To Google

1042
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: of is on this card, Like dude, this I'm telling

1043
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: you folks, this card tomorrow is no bs. What a

1044
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 2: winner up and down. Take your pick about which fight

1045
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: is going to be the one that you know outstages

1046
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: or upstages. I should say everybody else it's it's an incredible,

1047
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: incredible event.

1048
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: Also in that prelim main event, Women's Strowway, Amanda he

1049
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: Boss coming off that Ko Tko lost to Marina Hardriguez.

1050
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: Did she win one since then? Luke? She may have

1051
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: should be taking on Verna Jandy Roba. Uh No, this

1052
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: is her first fight since the Hardriguez lost. He interviewed

1053
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 3: her from the Morning Combat studio, so check that out

1054
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: on YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. Very entertaining stuff

1055
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 3: if you missed that a couple of weeks back. But yes, Luke,

1056
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: top to Bob bottom loaded can't wait? Uh yeah? I mean,

1057
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: is there anyone you didn't mention your big me hal

1058
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: olek Zushik fan Luke.

1059
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: No, that one I don't care too much about. I

1060
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 2: would say. Do Santos is on his card? Elizu Zeleski,

1061
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: He's actually pretty good for a a fun slugfest at

1062
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: times somewhat technical. Uh. And then I would say, for folks,

1063
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm not super high in this beout, but I would

1064
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: imagine the Europeans are gonna pay attention to Makwan. I'm

1065
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: heir Kanni versus Larne Murphy on this card as well,

1066
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: but I'm paying attention to the Albert Drajah of Roman

1067
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: coppolav fight. And then I'm also Kardo Homos taking Zubira

1068
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: taking on Zubairah to Google. I mean, dude, it's it's

1069
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: it's We're spoiled tomorrow.

1070
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: Wasn't Zubairah one of Habib's guys that ran in the

1071
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: cage and got suspended attacking?

1072
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: Sure was cousin.

1073
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 3: Also, doesn't Olak Shushik look exactly like that dude? What's

1074
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 3: his name? That the Connor McGregor impersonator that got famous

1075
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: the last few years?

1076
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Oh al Faran or something?

1077
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, al Faran. They're like twins. Luke, look it up.

1078
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 3: You'll be like, oh BC onto something here, finally onto something?

1079
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: All right? Great card? Uh, never watched it, but I

1080
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: will tomorrow afternoon. Can't wait, Luke. You know a card

1081
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: I did watch live as it happened, and you know

1082
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: it's been Look, it's been a turnaround, yere for the brand.

1083
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 3: PFL Wednesday night held their championship card. Okay, they may

1084
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: have called it the biggest night in MMA. They may

1085
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 3: have brought back that smart cage that makes Luke upset,

1086
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: and they may have had a lot of freaking stats

1087
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: on the screen. And oh, by the way, the pacing

1088
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 3: was shit horrible. The card though was bet you had awesome, Luke.

1089
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: This was fire. Even on the undercard people just getting

1090
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 3: sent to hell terms of them of momentum and drama.

1091
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean, this was a good night out, Luke. How

1092
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: would you sum up PFL twenty twenty one after taking

1093
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: last year off.

1094
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: I think that they've really succeeded. The PFL product is great.

1095
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: I recommend everybody watch it. The tournament concept I've been

1096
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, I've been down on for a long time.

1097
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: But I think with the state of fighter pay, where

1098
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: guys where this is kind of a hack to get

1099
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: more money than you ordinarily would be able to get

1100
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: under many other kinds of arrangements for a lot of

1101
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: different kinds of fighters. It's very appealing. It still draws

1102
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: high level talent they're still discovering and then showcasing high

1103
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: level talent. And then obviously you've got the intrigue factor

1104
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: with Kayla Harrison Clarissa Shields. Winner Lose to Me is

1105
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: sort of must watch at this juncture, and then you

1106
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: know they got bat shit other. I mean, they do

1107
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: a great job with their system. I really really enjoy it.

1108
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: But dude, what about the cage is fucking smart? If

1109
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: your fucking cage can't call Uber eats, can you stop

1110
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 2: calling it smart? Like? What about it? There's literally nothing

1111
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: about it that's smart.

1112
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: I'll have you know that Kayla Harrison's first job was

1113
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: twenty six miles per hour, right.

1114
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, that really enhances the experience. I remember that

1115
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: made up stat they had last time. Wherever the fuck

1116
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: like FBR or the fuck off number or whatever they pollute.

1117
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: They pollute the broadcast with nonsense information that does nothing,

1118
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: and then they plaster it all over the screen like

1119
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: graffiti in Athens where it just looks like pockmarks and vandalism.

1120
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: Get that shit off the screen. Because the fights are

1121
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: so damn good. Yeah.

1122
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: I like the announced team too, I always have. I

1123
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: like the brightness the other Gates. It's a good presentation.

1124
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: Big night for American Top Team, big night for Ali Abdelazi's,

1125
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: but even bigger night for Kayla Harrison wins her second

1126
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: straight women's lightweight championship, another million dollar prize. Luke, she

1127
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: was about a minus four million favor there against Taylor Guardado.

1128
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: I'll give Cordono credit. She came out throwing bombs. She

1129
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 3: lashed it until the second round, but really, once Kayla

1130
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: took her down the first time, it was not you know,

1131
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: when it was not if it was when Luke and

1132
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: there was battering, there was just I mean, she is

1133
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: Kayla Harrison is a tank and an absolute beast on top.

1134
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: We already knew that coming in her professionalism, her drive,

1135
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: everything top shelf. She won like we thought she would. Luke,

1136
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be labor the free agent conversation

1137
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: again because we broke that down in detail on Wednesday.

1138
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: But any takeaways from another title win for.

1139
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: Kayleb Yeah, not a whole lot. I think you summarized

1140
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: it pretty well. I think the only thing I might

1141
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: add b see is in the course of her PFL run,

1142
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 2: how much of an improvement could you say she made

1143
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: in striking obviously a lot, right, I mean, you don't

1144
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: want to discount that. But she's still winning fights predominantly

1145
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: one kind of way, and I should point out that's

1146
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: not necessarily bad. You have such an advantage, it's almost

1147
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: smart to go that way, and why risk a million

1148
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: dollars slugging it out with someone who doesn't have those

1149
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 2: same kinds of But I mean, it wouldn't make any sense. Still,

1150
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I'm not declaring that our striking hasn't

1151
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: improved sufficiently for the UFC level. That's not what I'm saying.

1152
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: What I am saying is I still think there are

1153
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: some reasonable questions about where dude, Yes, if someone locks

1154
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: up with her, you're going to go for a ride.

1155
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: Her ground upon is ferocious, and obviously her submissions are

1156
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: just completely on point. We knew that, Like, yes, those

1157
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: are just off the charts good. Still, I do wonder

1158
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: about the striking a little bit. I think she can

1159
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: probably win at the UFC level pretty highly. I think

1160
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: she could probably beat most people, in fact, maybe even

1161
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: all of them. But I would say, if there's one

1162
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: thing I'm paying attention to, I still want to see

1163
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: a little bit more of that when it's forced upon her,

1164
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: when the opponent does break the clinch, when they do

1165
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: circle off the fence, when they get up off the floor,

1166
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: because that will happen in the UFC in all likelihood,

1167
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: and then what happens. Again, I'm not saying it's bad.

1168
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: I just don't have enough information to make a broader

1169
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: claim that it's amazing in that way that all the

1170
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: rest of the parts of her game are.

1171
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: So it's an interesting question for her if she comes

1172
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: back to PFL next year. You're saying, Okay, you dominated

1173
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 3: everybody on the ground. We assume I mean Julia Budd

1174
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: was on this undercard in one. We assume they're going

1175
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: to add more names and depth and talent to this division.

1176
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: So again, not meant to disrespect, but she just the

1177
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: Taylor Guardalas of the world. She's just not challenged. You

1178
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: would like to see her at least f iron and

1179
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: try to get knockouts on the feet to round out

1180
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: that game. I don't disagree with that. What do you

1181
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: think though, moving forward about a tweet that was put

1182
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: out there by friend of the program sometime co host

1183
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: Aaron Bronstadter when he said, if the PFL wants to

1184
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: keep Kayla Harrison, they should open up a women's featherweight

1185
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: division and allow her to compete in tournaments at both

1186
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 3: featherweight and lightweight with one million on the line in

1187
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: each one. If she was willing to leave that extra

1188
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 3: million on the table, that this would be them upping

1189
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: the ante. What do you think about that.

1190
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: Luke, Dude, where are you going to find one hundred

1191
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: and forty five pound women that are any different than

1192
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: the one hundred and fifty five pound.

1193
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: Women not in the UFC, I'll tell you that much.

1194
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 3: Not anywhere else in the world yet.

1195
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, if the UFC can't fill that division, what

1196
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: the fuck is PFL going to do?

1197
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1198
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I understand what you think in Bronni right, Well here,

1199
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: I understand the point too. It's like, dude, you can

1200
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: do two tournaments at once. The money at that point

1201
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 2: is overwhelming, and you'd be favored to win both of them,

1202
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: and you know, you could show to compete over the

1203
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: second weight class. I understand the points. It's just that,

1204
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it would just be it would just be

1205
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: it would be like, oh, let's ignore the problem that

1206
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: Kayla is facing in the PFL by just pouring more

1207
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: money on top of it by virtue of another weight

1208
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: class that may not actually solve what is an issue

1209
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: for her, which I still believe. Dude, you can't tell

1210
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: me that someone who is the best American judoka ever ever,

1211
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: male or female, isn't thinking about leaving an impression about

1212
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: where she belongs in the ranks of MMA.

1213
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: You know, to Kayla's credit, this year, she had upped

1214
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: her her fitness level and I mean she's a muscular,

1215
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, specimen, and upped her nastiness from those early

1216
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: pro wrestling promos when the season started to just her dominance. Finally,

1217
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: Luke on Kayla, real quick, do you think she belongs

1218
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: and let's say number three pound for pound in the

1219
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: world among all female MMA competitors. Is that? Is that realistic?

1220
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: Are you asking me that? Like? Do I think that

1221
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: from a talent perspective, that's a defensible claim. I do.

1222
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: If you're asking me in terms of like relevant challenges

1223
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: being beaten, you know, no, I don't know that. I

1224
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily agree with that. It's not again, it's not

1225
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: a comment on like who's the best, but we usually

1226
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: do who's the best as a function of who did

1227
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: you beat, not like, oh, your talent jumps off the screen.

1228
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: From a talent perspective, Yeah, dude, she might. She might

1229
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: be number number No the man, it would still be

1230
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: number one.

1231
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: Don't go that far as to Valentino number. You hear

1232
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: in the background, she's like, no chance, she's number three.

1233
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: She ain't beat anybody. I hear your daughter.

1234
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: It's raining outside, so she can't go to the park,

1235
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: so it's a hard day for her. But I would say, yeah,

1236
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: you couldn't make an argument to me that she's as

1237
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: talented as deserving that place. But until you've beaten somebody

1238
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: along the line that we can really say pushed you. No,

1239
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: don't think you can.

1240
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: All Right, the Komin event the welterweight Championship, we said

1241
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 3: this could be the fight of the night coming in.

1242
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: Why because the twenty eighteen the first season of PFL,

1243
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: Mago met Magamed Karamoff defeated Ray Cooper to win that championship.

1244
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: The second season of twenty nineteen, magaum Ed Karamoff got

1245
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: hurt and Ray Cooper the third went on to win

1246
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: the championship. So look, this was a mussy rematching. Good god,

1247
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: this was a fun ass slugfest. But Ray Cooper the

1248
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: third and round three, Brada dropping some bombs with those

1249
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: right hands that he knocked Mago med out to win

1250
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: his second straight championship. Luke, he had a take damage

1251
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: to get there. It was fun as shit to watch.

1252
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: How good I don't want to say, you know, do

1253
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: we have one arguably the best welterweight in the world.

1254
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm not going that far. I'm saying, how good is

1255
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: Ray Cooper? The third though, so big ass win.

1256
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: He's very good Now. I definitely think he might have

1257
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: a place inside the top ten of all welterweights anywhere,

1258
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: maybe even higher than that, But like I would add

1259
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: a bare minimum put him in that space. Sean O'Connell,

1260
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: who was there play by play commentator, who is great

1261
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: love Sean O'Connell, who was a colleague of mine in

1262
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: Serious XM. He is a revelation for PFL and only

1263
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: wins the tournament then becomes their commentator. I mean, how

1264
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: do you find situations like that? But when he called

1265
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: Ray Cooper the hardest punching one seventier, I was like, John, John,

1266
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: don't you be lying to the audience. That part I

1267
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree with, but what I can say is

1268
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: to this point, dude, Ray Cooper is a is a

1269
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: This is what I mean about PFL finding these type

1270
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: of dudes. You ever interviewed Ray Cooper. It's not a

1271
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: very dynamic conversation, dude, he's not really in there to

1272
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: how I have the shit with you, doesn't have a

1273
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: whole lot to say. But boy, when they shut that gate,

1274
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: Holy fuck man, he comes alive in that cage and

1275
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: he was on the metaphorical ropes in that round. Karamov

1276
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: had him up against the fence, just kind of not

1277
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: moving anymore. Those are always the bad signs, right when

1278
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: you're getting landed on a little bit, and then they

1279
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: can get against the fence and then they just stop

1280
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: moving and they kind of try to cover up and counter.

1281
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, mcaman, Karamov is about to get him

1282
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: out of here. And then he hit a right lenef

1283
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: cook which backed him up. And then dude, Karramov's hands

1284
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: were so low because I think he thought he was

1285
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: about to get the finish and fucking Ray Cooper just

1286
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: blew his lights out on that. One huge punch sits

1287
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: him down. Follow up, great, great.

1288
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 3: Job to avenge the loss, you know, facing his own

1289
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: sort of defending champions and smuggam Karamov didn't lose that

1290
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 3: last season because of the injury to rise up to

1291
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 3: the occasion after I thought he was gonna get stopped

1292
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: along the cage. I mean it was just a crazy fight. Look,

1293
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 3: we don't talk about that referee enough. They got with

1294
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: the Jack Darms who wears the small shirt, you.

1295
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: Know, like guy, Oh it's not Chris Tyoni, it's I

1296
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: used to know his name. He used to do more

1297
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: UFC shows. He hasn't done many of them.

1298
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy's a brick house right there. Shout out

1299
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: to that guy. He's in the gym, Luca r. You

1300
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: may have seen him.

1301
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: No, he's he's he's been curling.

1302
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: Hey, looke. I love it. I don't know if Roy

1303
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: McDonald's coming back. I haven't paid attention close enough, but

1304
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 3: they're putting together a fun welterweight division here at PFL.

1305
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: And Maga mat Karalov was one of their staples for

1306
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: a long time. Ray Cooper too, like these guys have

1307
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 2: sort of proven it's it's just listen. I was having

1308
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 2: a sort of a brief exchange with the Gbacca hitman

1309
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: on Twitter, and folks, you know often complained about, oh mm,

1310
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: fights are homogenized, and it's kind of all the same thing,

1311
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: And it's sort of true that that, yes, relative to

1312
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: how they used to be mme, fights are more homogenized.

1313
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: But it's also true that one you learn a lot

1314
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: of interesting names if you watch outside of the UFC

1315
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: and outside of Belator, until you get a lot of

1316
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: different kinds of fights as well. Now this one's a

1317
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: little bit more on track with what people are commonly

1318
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: accustomed to, but the value in learning that, like, there's

1319
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: a lot of talent and mma worth appreciating and watching

1320
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: and investing your time in. PFL has done a really

1321
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: good job with their walterweight division of showing they've got

1322
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: credible talent, incredible contests that deserve to be respected, deserve

1323
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: to be recognized, and Ray Cooper has set himself apart. Dude,

1324
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: Ray Cooper would not be the name that he is

1325
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: or have the money that he is. I think if

1326
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: he had gone through the meat grinder of the UFC,

1327
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: I think he'd have a lot of wins. Maybe more

1328
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: casual fans might know who he is, but he wouldn't

1329
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: have the pocket book that he does, and he has

1330
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: just shined in this form and good for him for it.

1331
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: I wonder if this season being so fun and you

1332
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: know the price the one million dollar prize, excuse me.

1333
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: I wonder if they get more free agents in the offseason,

1334
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: because they are the only ones that you know, do

1335
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 3: the season format. I wonder if we get more Anthony Pettis,

1336
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 3: like guys who guys you know, still got a little

1337
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: bit left in the tank, but bring name value to

1338
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: start filling. I mean, we saw Forver Doom come in

1339
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: until he got hurt. I wonder it's gonna be you know,

1340
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: they got to get another TV deal and if they

1341
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: can bring in some more free agents. This was a

1342
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: strong move but Luca. One of the biggest storylines in

1343
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 3: this card was the second pro MMA fight for Koresha Shields,

1344
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: the two time Olympic gold medalist, multi division multi time

1345
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 3: boxing world champion. She went in against a similarly inexperienced

1346
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 3: Abigail Montes of Mexico and it went the full three rounds,

1347
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: a split decision win for Montes, who was able to

1348
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: largely avoid the big shots all the Clarissa landed some

1349
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: hard right hands and more importantly, get the key takedowns

1350
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: and even more importantly, really cement that third round by

1351
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 3: sitting on top in full mount and just l it

1352
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: on shields, Luke, just as much as we're about to

1353
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 3: have a discussion of shields as evolution in her short

1354
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: period as a fighter, and you know, this is the

1355
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: first time she suffered a combat loss ever, right, or

1356
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: at least back you know, to our amateur boxing days.

1357
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: There's also the Jake Paul conversation that's taken over here.

1358
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: Let's start off first with she did lose, but what

1359
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: did you think of her revolution and fight number two?

1360
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: Here's what I what I want this. I've been thinking

1361
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: about this for a couple of days, and I tweeted

1362
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: this after the fact. I really hope folks pump the

1363
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: brakes on the criticism of her for just a little bit.

1364
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about someone who is performing, I would say,

1365
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: quite ably given their time and experience in the sport,

1366
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: and in certain ways she's just a natural like there

1367
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: are listen, she has such a long way to go

1368
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: there as are so many parts of her game that

1369
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: are quite clearly rudimentary, just you know, are very basic.

1370
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: I certainly understand that, but there are parts of her

1371
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: game where like you know, in her composure, certainly in

1372
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: her bearing and her understanding of certain moments about when

1373
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: depressed and one to go. Obviously the ground game, it's

1374
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, it's not that great here. Here's what I

1375
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: would say, though. To me, it's like the amount of

1376
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 2: time she has spent training and for how good she

1377
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: is is extraordinary. It's very very impressive. Here is my problem, though.

1378
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 2: My problem is not how she performed on Saturday ABC

1379
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: or what is it Wednesday? Excuse me. My problem was

1380
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: not that it was not a function of did she

1381
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: lose and did she show a fairly rudimentary ground game.

1382
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what else folks would expect given how

1383
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: much she's trained. What I do think the problem is,

1384
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: I think she gonna she's gonna have to make a choice. Eventually, she's,

1385
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 2: as you indicated, going to be defending her boxing title

1386
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: or being in a boxing match here relatively soon, and

1387
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: she doesn't fully stay in the MMA gym. I think

1388
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: if she really committed herself to MMA, and by that

1389
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean kind of just forget about boxing for several years,

1390
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: I do mean that sincerely, I actually think she could

1391
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: go pretty far. But I think if what she's gonna

1392
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: do is go back and forth. She will get to

1393
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: a commendable level of skill in MMA. She will be

1394
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: a commendably good fighter. Her overall effort will be quite commendable,

1395
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 2: but not much more than that. It will not be

1396
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: much more than what it is, which is like, Wow,

1397
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: did her hand fighting for someone who's been training nine months,

1398
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. Oh and then she loses. If that's

1399
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: what she wants, I think she can just keep up

1400
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: with her current schedule, and dude, I'm not here to

1401
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: tell her what's right. Maybe sticking with a box, even

1402
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: though she has all those complaints, maybe in the end,

1403
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: for her life and whatever it means for her, like

1404
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: the granular details, maybe that is actually the best thing

1405
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: for her. I don't really know. All I'm saying is

1406
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: she clearly has an acumen for combat sports, no matter

1407
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: the type you choose. But if she wants to make

1408
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: something of MMA in a way that she has kind

1409
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: of hinted, this back and forth thing will limit her

1410
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: almost without any kind of controversy.

1411
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 3: I don't think that's unfair, because look was very entertained

1412
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 3: by this fight. It's it's just interesting. It's good theater

1413
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: to see her against someone who's not, you know, overly

1414
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: skilled in Montes, who's a developing young fighter herself. You know,

1415
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: try to navigate through an experience, you know. And I

1416
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: thought there were moments early where where you know, Shields

1417
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 3: won the first round. It ended up being a split decision.

1418
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 3: I think you could have argued, like one of those

1419
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: judges did, giving her the second round, although I think

1420
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: you know it was more likely a round for Montes,

1421
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 3: and obviously Montes dominated the third round. But I like

1422
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: some of the things I saw, the standing clench work

1423
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: from Shields, obviously, the punching, and she did get off

1424
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: that right hand and land some rocket quick, hard, clean ones.

1425
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: I think you're right, though, she's gonna stunt her growth.

1426
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: And the problem is, like, what's gonna be the public's

1427
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 3: appetite right now? I think it's fun and this was

1428
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: a big part of the marketing of this card to

1429
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 3: see her back. And whether you love or hate or

1430
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: you watched it right, what's going to be the appetite

1431
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: if she keeps alternating wins and losses or keeps, you know,

1432
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: piling on losses. I agree with you that she's gonna

1433
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 3: have to make a decision soon on all or nothing.

1434
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 3: You know, could she linger and take these type of

1435
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 3: fights or find names who don't have a lot of experience. Yeah, okay,

1436
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 3: but they're not gonna matter. They're not gonna mean much.

1437
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna get to a cm punk point where we're like,

1438
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 3: why is this the Colemane event or or featured so high?

1439
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: It is early enough, when she's twenty six something like that.

1440
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 3: It is early enough that if she goes all in,

1441
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: she's got a fighting spirit. She's a good athlete. There's

1442
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 3: a lot to like, and I liked in the face

1443
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: of a lot of criticism, and it's like, it's not

1444
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: that I don't It's not that I'm confused by the criticism.

1445
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 3: She's brash, she'll play the heel at times. She speaks

1446
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 3: out on things, so to see her humbled, people are

1447
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 3: gonna react to that. But I think a lot of

1448
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 3: it was misplaced. And I actually liked Nate Diaz and

1449
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 3: others coming out on Twitter and being like, Noah, man,

1450
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: she's the real fighter. Look at what she's doing. She's

1451
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 3: taking chances like this, putting it out on the big stage,

1452
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: going for it. I respect that. I enjoyed this, But

1453
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 3: Luke the criticism was heavily fueled by the response from

1454
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 3: Jake Paul if you weren't paying attention to Clarissa Shields

1455
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 3: and the press conferencely up to here was asked about

1456
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 3: fighting on a Jake Paul undercard, ripped him, said, I'll

1457
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 3: like Amanda Serano, I'll never fight on a Jake Paul undercard.

1458
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 3: He's not a real fighter. I'm a real fighter. Well,

1459
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: when she lost, Jake Paul went at her on Twitter

1460
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: kind of said, this is what you get for talking shit,

1461
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 3: went on. I think he went too far. I didn't

1462
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: agree with his takes there, but it spiraled into a

1463
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: back and forth for a bit. Luke, I don't know

1464
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: Jake Paul's endgame here. And the reason why I say that,

1465
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean, is this just him just talking shit? Because

1466
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: there were people that came to Coluris's defense, by the way,

1467
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: and we're like, hey, Jake Paul, it's kind of hard

1468
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 3: for you to talk junk when you've never beaten somebody

1469
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 3: in a boxing match who's ever won a boxing match before,

1470
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: which is true, but is do you think there's any

1471
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: element of the Amanda Serrano situation here? And here's what

1472
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 3: I mean. Serrano and Shields are cordial for the most

1473
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: part historically, but Serrano flew to Florida for this card.

1474
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 3: Jake Paul, now what manages and promotes Amanda Serrano and

1475
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: is trying to get her into really big fights. I

1476
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: don't know what the angle is here, because although Amanda

1477
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 3: Serrano's boxed between one hundred and eighteen and one hundred

1478
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: and forty pounds, you know, forty's a bit of a

1479
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 3: reach for her. Her best weight is one hundred and

1480
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 3: twenty six pounds featherweight, where she's got so many titles

1481
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: right now, Shields has never boxed below one fifty four.

1482
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if she could physically make even one

1483
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 3: forty seven. What are we doing here, Luke? Is this

1484
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 3: just a grudge?

1485
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I first, I I don't know.

1486
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. Part of me is like, you know,

1487
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 2: Jake Paul's trying to ingratiate himself to the boxing audience

1488
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: by talking about pay issues, and you know how much

1489
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: this helps the sport. Like he sort of positioned himself

1490
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: as like, no, no, no, you might think I'm a

1491
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: sideshow attraction, but look at all the things I do

1492
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 2: for boxing. And then beefing with Clarissa. I don't know

1493
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 2: that that does that gets in the way of that mission.

1494
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 2: I can just put it that way. It doesn't. It

1495
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: doesn't serve that aim. But to your point, well, maybe

1496
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: there's some kind of angle er setting up for a

1497
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 2: potential showdown with one with somebody he could put in

1498
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: front of her. But as you articulated, I think quite rightly,

1499
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 2: Serrano Shields sounds fun as like two big names or something,

1500
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: but is you know, it's like, oh, what ibouf Connor

1501
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: fought John Jones? Like, well, they're too far apart, Like

1502
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 2: that wouldn't even really work, you know, So what are

1503
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: you supposed to do with that? I tend to think

1504
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: that I don't know. He's a troll, so I don't

1505
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: really know what he's doing.

1506
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 3: Why Serrano was there When I first saw her, I

1507
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 3: thought she was there to support Shields, but then Jake

1508
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: wasn't dragged.

1509
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: Fight was in Florida. I know she trains in Puerto Rico,

1510
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: but does she like reside in Puerto Rico.

1511
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 3: No, she resides in New York City, so she flew

1512
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 3: down there. She had put it on social media. Now, look,

1513
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe she's talking with PFL about a fight.

1514
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember she has had what

1515
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 3: two or three MMA fights with UH, one with Cambate

1516
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 3: and one with you know, some other smaller organization. She's

1517
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: what one one zero in one in professional MMA. I

1518
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know what it is like, you know,

1519
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 3: good for a mana Serrano if she's working on some

1520
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 3: business stuff. But that was interesting. Look overall, though, do

1521
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 3: you do you think the criticism against Clora in general

1522
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 3: goes too far from Jake? I guess in general people

1523
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 3: hate her on Twitter? I mean, is it justified?

1524
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,440
Speaker 2: I mean, why because she's brash?

1525
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 3: I think that's it?

1526
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you know they love it. They

1527
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: love the outspoken they you know, listen, you want me

1528
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: to take seriously claims it's okay for Connor to be brash,

1529
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 2: but Clarissa shields. It's not like, get the fuck out

1530
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: of here with that. I mean, you know, Connor used

1531
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: to be charming and funny, and maybe Clarissa is not okay.

1532
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: But I've met her in person. I'm sure you have

1533
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: as well. She was charming and delightful. You know, people

1534
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: are gonna Twitter is a fucking stupid place. So like

1535
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 2: that there's criticism of her, there is almost meaningless to me.

1536
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 3: Luke Bruno Capoloza won the heavyweight championship at PFL. But

1537
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 3: it was not like I thought it would be. He

1538
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: had put the hands on Anti Dali early in this fight,

1539
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 3: and Luke, I was not prepared for the back and forth,

1540
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: dramatic batshit war this became at least during the first

1541
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: two and a half rounds. It goes the five round distance.

1542
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 3: Capolosa wins. He said, an incredible season. He got on

1543
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 3: our radar. Might be a little small at heavyweight, but

1544
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 3: he lets his hands go. He's hungry as shit. But

1545
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 3: this man Ante Delaiah, Delijah Delia.

1546
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: Hey there, Delilah, Yeah, pull right there, Luke.

1547
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 3: He was willing to get to cyborg levels of punishment

1548
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: and then come back with punches. How fricking entertaining was

1549
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 3: this shit?

1550
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? I felt bad for Delia. I'm like, dude, that's

1551
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: a lot of pain and punishment to endure for not

1552
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: the million dollar check. Uh, but great fight. And then

1553
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 2: Kapa what's his name? His first name is Bruno, Bruno

1554
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 2: capal is his name? Yeah, you know, then finding out

1555
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: after the fact, like immediately after the fact that his

1556
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 2: family had kept from him so he could focus on

1557
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 2: the fight. That his father had passed. So he finds

1558
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: that out, like what that must have done to him?

1559
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: Where you just win a million dollars and you win

1560
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: this title and then oh, by the way, your your

1561
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 2: father has passed. I mean just say, this is what

1562
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: I mean with PFL. Though they find these gems, they're

1563
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: pretty good at telling their stories. There's one thing where

1564
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: PFL is just much better than Beltore, Like much better, dude.

1565
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 2: They are much better about telling the stories of their fighters,

1566
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 2: believe it or not, Like why you should care and

1567
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: what it matters. PFL really leans into that in ways

1568
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: or beltoor just kind of assumes everyone just understands. And

1569
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 2: here's a great example of all. This is a heightened example,

1570
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 2: a crazy example of it. They're not all quite like this,

1571
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: but this is one such example that really kind of

1572
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: illustrates the human factor that I think PFL is quite

1573
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: gifted at identifying.

1574
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 3: Luke, our producers wanted to wait to tell you until

1575
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 3: after this show so it didn't affect your preparation. But

1576
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: your dad is actually still alive. He just doesn't care

1577
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 3: about this at all.

1578
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for bringing my father into this unnecessarily

1579
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: be see. I appreciate that.

1580
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 3: Okay, Look, I thought we were friends. I guess not anymore.

1581
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 3: But Luke, do you think that's the right move by

1582
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 3: his family? Is there any moral judgment in there?

1583
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 2: What would you do? I mean, it's not the question

1584
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 2: like what would you do? I don't know what the

1585
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: hell you're supposed to do in a situation like that.

1586
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: There's it seems to me like there's zero good or

1587
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: best answer. I guess it's to do what they did,

1588
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: which is all right, go get your check. Here's terrible news.

1589
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna get the terrible news eventually, anyway,

1590
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: you might as well get the check first, right, I

1591
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: don't know.

1592
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 3: I wonder for what have motivated them? I'm not sure

1593
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 3: you know they know him better than we do. Big

1594
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: win for Bruno, just the same, I'll featherweight maveldby Cob.

1595
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 3: You lie.

1596
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna put more time into this PFL card than

1597
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: the UFC card.

1598
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: Really, I just wanted to mention in passing that he

1599
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 3: won the featherweight championship by beating the crap out of

1600
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 3: Chris Wade for five rounds. Screw faced Antonio Carlos Junior

1601
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 3: got a great first round submission over Martine Hamlet to

1602
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 3: win the light heavyweight title, and rosh Manfio captured the

1603
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: lightweight one with a decision win. So that's that, Luke. Okay,

1604
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to give pfl in their championship night on

1605
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 3: the biggest night at MMA, so much shine, Luke, I'm

1606
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 3: sorry about that.

1607
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 2: You're forgiven.

1608
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 3: I mean, will we get over not only that, but

1609
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 3: that awful dad reference. Will we get over that, Luke?

1610
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: We will get over it. It's okay, all right, all right.

1611
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: I'm not sure we're gonna get over our final or

1612
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 3: our fifth topic of the week here, Luke. Sean strang

1613
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 3: and the UFC middleweight contender appeared on The MMA Hour

1614
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 3: with Ariel Hawani this week and it turned into really

1615
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 3: one of the weirdest interviews. And you know, Ariel does

1616
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 3: a great job. He's interviewed everybody over the years. This

1617
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: has probably got to be one of his most alarming ones.

1618
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: When Sean Strickland talked very openly about his desire to

1619
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: kill a person, whether it be in combat in real life,

1620
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 3: the thoughts he has, the fact that he believes it

1621
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 3: helps fuel him as a fighter, and the fact that

1622
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to sort of fix these feelings through

1623
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: therapy or anything like that until after his fighting career,

1624
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 3: and he keeps a very low profile, he says, just

1625
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 3: trains and goes home. But Luke, there were so many

1626
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:47,480
Speaker 3: comments and quotes here that were, yeah, really fricking disturbing.

1627
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 3: And I know everybody came after us for what we

1628
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: talked about on Wednesday regarding the Dana White comments, the

1629
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 3: terrorist comment from the Contender series, and oh BCNL lt

1630
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 3: or trying a police speech in the UFC, like like

1631
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 3: we are, like like we care about I mean, no,

1632
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,759
Speaker 3: we're trying to police proper human decor. If the UFC

1633
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 3: doesn't get involved in this situation, Luke, forget calling somebody

1634
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 3: a terrorist. This was as scary and ridiculous as I've

1635
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 3: ever heard a pro athlete honestly speak. Well, here's one

1636
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 3: quote from Strickland. He says, if you like to effing

1637
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: hurt people, you're in the right sport. Man. I would

1638
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: love nothing more than to kill somebody in the ring,

1639
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 3: nothing more. It would make me super happy. I would

1640
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 3: own that shit. I don't know if that makes me liable.

1641
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: I'd have to say I'm sorry if the cops came,

1642
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 3: but I would own that shit. Luke, that's not the

1643
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 3: first time we've heard a fighter say they're willing to

1644
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 3: or they want to catch a body in there, and

1645
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 3: you know, while they're sitt Deontay Wilder says it, and

1646
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: we get a little I don't know if that's the

1647
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 3: right lane, but Luke Strickland would go on to really

1648
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 3: go in New Territory and bring up stories in his

1649
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 3: past in which he's tried to incite people in the

1650
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 3: public into fighting him so he could get an opportunity

1651
01:17:55,640 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 3: to kill somebody and claim self defense. I don't look,

1652
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say. This is really this

1653
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 3: is really fucked up. This is not good.

1654
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad. I mean, well, listen, I'll just say.

1655
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple of things to say here.

1656
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 2: I think if you just come out and you just

1657
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 2: attack Sean Strickland, you're not going to get anywhere with it.

1658
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: I certainly don't think he would listen, and nor am

1659
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: I expecting to listen either way, I suppose, But here's

1660
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: what I would say. I think, if you're the Athletic

1661
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: Commission here or the UFC, you have to ask yourself

1662
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 2: a question first. If he's doing a bit, it's a

1663
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: morbid bit, but okay, it's just that it's a bit

1664
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: like for example, I like death metal, but these are

1665
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: not people that go around doing these kinds of things.

1666
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: It's an artistic expression. It's not actually designed for you

1667
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 2: to use it as a blueprint or that it's their

1668
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: expression that they have nothing but murderous desires. It's quite

1669
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: the opposite. It's just a bit, an artistic one, but

1670
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: just one the same. If that's really what it is. Again,

1671
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: it's a little morbid, a little weird, but okay, I

1672
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: guess or something. It's not worth you know, getting too

1673
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: concerned over if it's that. But first of all, I

1674
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 2: don't even know how you would differentiate the two number

1675
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: one and number two if it is real. Here's what

1676
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: I would say. I know that he wants to use

1677
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,879
Speaker 2: that kind of an idea to fuel himself as a fighter,

1678
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: which I can understand. I think it probably might help.

1679
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: I've never fought professionally, so it's little hard for me

1680
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 2: to say you had better ask other fighters. But conceivably

1681
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: I can understand how that might propel him to great

1682
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: is him to be clear, he is a great fighter.

1683
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 2: He's a very good fighter, and he might he might

1684
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: contend or win it's title. I don't think that's necessarily

1685
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: out of the realm of possibility. He's quite good. But

1686
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 2: what I would say is, if you're having I mean,

1687
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: he compared himself I believe to even like a pedophile,

1688
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: not to say that he had those same urges, but

1689
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: rather yeah.

1690
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: He said, it's like a pedophile who doesn't act on it.

1691
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: But think that that's right, that's right.

1692
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean, understand something like, if you're having murderous fantasies,

1693
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: you are in desperate need of clinical help because you

1694
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: may think you can control them. Maybe up to this

1695
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 2: point you have controlled them, but there may come a

1696
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: time when that gets in the way of things and

1697
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 2: it will absolutely ruin your life and potentially the life

1698
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: of someone else and others on top. Moreover, here's the question.

1699
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: I think that seems relevant here, especially since he's probably

1700
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: uninterested in any kind of medical examination of why he

1701
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: feels these things and what they mean. Like these didn't

1702
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 2: just like he wasn't just born this way. Something terrible

1703
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: happened to him that makes him feel this way, and

1704
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: that is damaging him as a person. And that's why

1705
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: it's being expressed in this way. I know an emma,

1706
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: and I think to an extent, you have to be

1707
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 2: kind of accommodating of people who've had fucked up backgrounds

1708
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: that have now fucked up worldviews by virtue of the

1709
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: way in which these people find themselves in fighting again,

1710
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 2: you have to be understanding of that. But this is

1711
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 2: an extreme example. But the point that I want to

1712
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: make here be see is I think if you're the

1713
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: UFC or you're the Athletic Commission, you probably have a

1714
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: role to play here. I'm not calling for the guy's

1715
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: job because I don't know what the I don't know

1716
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: what the answer is. Again, it could just be a

1717
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: giant bit.

1718
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: But well no, I don't think anyone's calling for his job.

1719
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to see this guy fired and out on

1720
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 3: the street. But if you're UFC and you are not

1721
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: stepping in, you know, UFC loves to do this what

1722
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: we talk about Wednesday. They love to do hands off.

1723
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: We'll let the law figure it out. It's not our

1724
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 3: job to police, know it kind of is if if look,

1725
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: if I know it's not apples to apples to compare

1726
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: this to like an insurance office or a school. But

1727
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 3: if you show up at your job today and make

1728
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 3: these claims out loud, somebody's going to HR and they're

1729
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 3: at the very least gonna investigate, and you're gonna and

1730
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if UFC is doing that

1731
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 3: after this interview. I'm just saying they better because this

1732
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 3: is a if something ever bad, ever happened, this would

1733
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: be the thing you'd point back to that we should

1734
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 3: have realized, right, I mean, this.

1735
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: Is really yeah. I mean understand something. If you're the

1736
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: Athletic Commission or you're the UFC, and again maybe they

1737
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: talk to him behind the scenes, he's like, dude, it's

1738
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: just a bit, and so like this is all just

1739
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: for naught. But my point being is, let's assume for

1740
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 2: a second, it's not if you have someone who you

1741
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: are paying to perform service this case, fighting, or you

1742
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: the Athletic Comission, where you're licensing someone to be allowed

1743
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 2: to perform a service, and they're expressing unequivocal, unmistakable UH

1744
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: fantasies about homicide, is it ethical to sign them up

1745
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 2: for a fight where they could incur further brain damage?

1746
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 2: I don't know that it is. I mean, you know,

1747
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,759
Speaker 2: well no, but we're talking about what what would further

1748
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: damage to him do if he already is feeling and

1749
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:25,480
Speaker 2: he is not in any way hiding legitimate murderous feelings

1750
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 2: like real like and and by the way, to your

1751
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 2: point also, I think you're quite readily noted BC, like

1752
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: in certain times he has almost almost acted upon them. Dude,

1753
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: what does further brain damage do to some And by

1754
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: the way, Sean Stricklen' is a great fighter, but he

1755
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: gets in kind of these wars sometimes what does that

1756
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: do to someone over the course of time? What is

1757
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: your responsibility? Again, fighting is not a right, it is

1758
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: a privilege. You have to get a license from the

1759
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: government to do it. Do at a bare minimum. I'll

1760
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: say this, SBC, both from the UFC and from the

1761
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: Athletic Commission, some real due diligences do And I know

1762
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: for Sean Struckland right now probably fighting is the most

1763
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: important part of his life. But if these are legitimate

1764
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: sentiments that he is really holding and they are having

1765
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 2: this kind of sway over his worldview, there is only

1766
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 2: one way this is going to end, and it is poorly.

1767
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: I mean, he almost worst case scenario bad.

1768
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 3: He told Aariel like word for word situations in the

1769
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: past in which he tried to incite groups of people

1770
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 3: to fight him for that hole. And he also told

1771
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: about his past and his history, and you know, obviously

1772
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 3: I feel bad for how he was raised. He said

1773
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: he had a grandfather who kind of raised him to

1774
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 3: be a neo Nazi, and Sean got kicked out of

1775
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 3: schools for hate crimes. And you know, he's talking about

1776
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 3: drawing swaster. I mean, this just this is some fucked

1777
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 3: up shit man, and he admits it was fed up

1778
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: the problem. I don't like Lucas. He's basically saying, like,

1779
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 3: you know, this fuels me as a fighter, and I'm

1780
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 3: gonna stay down this road until my fight career is over,

1781
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 3: and then I'll figure it out.

1782
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: Well it doesn't work that way, it doesn't, Oh, fighting

1783
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: career is done. Now, I'll go get help that if

1784
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't work that way, you can't just decide, oh,

1785
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 2: now is the time for me to reckon style With

1786
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 2: this these problems, people often take their problems, their long

1787
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 2: standing problems, to either be They can be useful on occasion,

1788
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: but they kind of begin to view them if you

1789
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: have a problem, a mental health problem, and it sticks

1790
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: with you long enough, it doesn't stay the same. It

1791
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: will get worse. Number one. And by the way, my

1792
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 2: mom is somebody. I won't go into the grand details BC,

1793
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 2: but I will just tell you. You know, my mom eventually,

1794
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 2: as everyone knows who is familiar with my work, took

1795
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 2: her life in two thousand and three. She had mental

1796
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: illness for a long time. In many ways it was

1797
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: undetectable until it wasn't, I suppose. But the point I'm

1798
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: trying to make was that if you goes if it

1799
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: goes untreated, it doesn't stay the same. Like you're in

1800
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: command of this, make no mistake it will. It will

1801
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: be in command of you if it goes untreated. And

1802
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: so you can't just say, oh, now the time to

1803
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: go treat it. The time to treat it is now.

1804
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 2: And what implications that has for a fighting career, I

1805
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: simply do not know. I'm not a medical expert. I

1806
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 2: can't I can't say. But this idea that you can

1807
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: just put it on the back burner, and it's this

1808
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: useful chip on your shoulder. This ain't a chip on

1809
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 2: your shoulder. This is a worldview that is deeply problematic

1810
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: for himself, not just for others BC, but for himself

1811
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: and his family too.

1812
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 3: And believe me, I'm not saying again that he should

1813
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 3: never fight again. He's a piece of crap. No, I

1814
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 3: want him to get help. I want him to be right.

1815
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: I want him to have a chance to fulfill his

1816
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 3: dreams inside the octagon, and I want, you know, hopefully

1817
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 3: they already are. I want UFC to sort of step

1818
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 3: in and make sure he's healthy enough to do this.

1819
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: Our final bit of call it topic five and a half,

1820
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 3: Luke is Showtime Championship Boxing is back this Saturday night,

1821
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 3: Las Vegas from the Mandalay Bay. In your main event,

1822
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 3: Jamal James will defend his secondary WBA Welterweight championship against

1823
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 3: unbeaten radzab Butajev. Should be an interesting fight sometimes, Luke,

1824
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 3: Jamal James is the forgotten man in the larger welterweight

1825
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 3: title picture. He fights out of Minnesota's very long fights.

1826
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 3: You know, lets his hands go in bunches. This should

1827
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 3: be an entertaining fight as Butajev has a strong amateur

1828
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 3: background and is looking, as he said this week in

1829
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 3: the Fighter Meetings, to let his hands go and make

1830
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 3: this a Luke. I think the larger interest on this

1831
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 3: card though, is that comin event when your guy from

1832
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 3: Philadelphia and really the next big thing at welter waiton

1833
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 3: maybe the sport Jiron boots Ennis takes another step forward. Now,

1834
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 3: look Ennison, his last fight fought former one hundred and

1835
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 3: forty pound champions Surgey Lipinets and as we saw in showtime,

1836
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 3: he beat the bags off him and he break through.

1837
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 3: I am this good right now, performance switch stances stood

1838
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 3: in the pocket, let his hands go. Now he's facing

1839
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 3: former world title challenger Thomas DeLorme and Luke. While DeLorme

1840
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: has had some tough decision defeats and he's been around,

1841
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 3: you know, he's fought the big names. He's a lot bigger,

1842
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 3: longer than Lippinets is. This could be a very interesting test.

1843
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 3: This is not a step backwards in matchmaking. I think

1844
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 3: this is a next logical progression because Dolrmic can bang

1845
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 3: and he's big. This should be a good fight.

1846
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Delomee to me from the tape I've seen BC,

1847
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 2: he is a I think you're right, he is a

1848
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 2: credible next step up. I don't, I don't I won't

1849
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: favor him to win. But this might be a case

1850
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 2: where dude, Lipinet's got figured out like pretty quickly, right,

1851
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: DeLorme won't be that, I don't think. I don't think

1852
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna get figured out within like a couple of

1853
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: rounds and then Ennis just goes to work over the

1854
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 2: course of the rest of the time that the fight

1855
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: went on. So in that sense, you know there are

1856
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: literal challenges, both in terms of distance and otherwise to navigate. Still, boots,

1857
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: Ennis can do everything. He can switch stances, he's got

1858
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: good slips, he's got good powers. You can see here.

1859
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 2: He knows how to identify openings quite quickly. So I

1860
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 2: like the Delome fight for what it represents, but I

1861
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 2: think Enis is on to much bigger things in this division.

1862
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nis a minus four thousand betting favorite because he

1863
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 3: has looked so spectacular Delorme's game, though, this should be

1864
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 3: a good test. Like we said, now, if you're wondering, well,

1865
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 3: when are we gonna see Ennis step up? He wants

1866
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 3: all the smoke right now. His father and trainer, who

1867
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 3: goes by the name Bosa, has said, Look, they tried

1868
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 3: to get Keith Thurman. They try to get a lot

1869
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 3: of people. Not everybody itching to fight this guy, Luke,

1870
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 3: because he's long, quick, powerful, dynamic, he's got a Philly

1871
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,839
Speaker 3: backbone and Luke, you know, Ennis will tell you himself

1872
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: he doesn't grade himself highly in some of these big

1873
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: performances because he could probably box from the outside a

1874
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 3: distance if he wanted to. He just loves to fight

1875
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 3: and he'll get in there and let those hands go.

1876
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, this kid

1877
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 2: is so talented and has so many ways to win.

1878
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: But to your point, his character is what I take

1879
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: such heart in because when those challenges do come down

1880
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 2: the line, he's got a lot of gears to go

1881
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: to to make the fight interesting, but he's got a

1882
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: hunger to really stick it to people. This is still

1883
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: a building experience. But dude, I don't think he's got

1884
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: many more of these left. He's so talented. I think

1885
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 2: he's looking to, you know, get the requisite experience and

1886
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: then he those big names I think, by the way,

1887
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: are gonna duck him pretty cleanly. But eventually, of course

1888
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: I'll get what he gets and should be fun.

1889
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 3: No, if Jamal James wins in the main event, you

1890
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 3: wonder if that could be a future opponent for NS,

1891
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 3: although Jamal James is really trying to get that rematch

1892
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 3: with your Dennis Ugas, the full WBA champion who handed

1893
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 3: James his only sort of big loss since he kind

1894
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: of made the move here. Also, Luke, don't look, don't

1895
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: don't sleep on the opening bout of this tripleheader. When

1896
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 3: unbeaten lightweight Michelle Rivera from the Dominican Republic, that big puncher,

1897
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 3: goes in there against a guy from his own gym

1898
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 3: in South Florida, Jose Mattias Romero, this should be a

1899
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 3: it's kind of a showcase fight. But Rivera's one of

1900
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 3: those names at lightweight, the young names that we're not

1901
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 3: talking about that every time he shows up, he makes highlights.

1902
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 3: So good to see that. I'll be checking that out

1903
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas this Saturday, Luke, before we get to

1904
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: dead wrong to close out this show, we've had a

1905
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 3: bevy of fun interviews. I mentioned Amanda Hebas. Also I

1906
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 3: talked to Ker Stevenson this week, the unbeating two division

1907
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 3: boxing champion, and he said, uh, he tells us which

1908
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 3: super fight of those big lightweights he's willing to move

1909
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 3: up for and go after who he wants next, all

1910
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 3: that good stuff. So people can check that out at

1911
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 3: Morningcombat or YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. But we

1912
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 3: had two other ones, Luke, Let's start with the great face,

1913
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 3: the new face of BKFC one, Mike Perry, who you

1914
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 3: may remember we played it on Wednesday show him sending

1915
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 3: me to absolute Haites in the past. We did talk

1916
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: about that and we talked about moving forward together. So

1917
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 3: check that out. But here's a little snippet about Mike

1918
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 3: Perry's platinum mindset entering this new chapter in his career.

1919
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 3: Is it a drug, does it feel like a drug?

1920
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 3: Or is it the competition that hooks you? Is it everything?

1921
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 5: What isn't it get that anger out? You know, I'm

1922
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 5: I'm competitive in a funny way, and you know, I'll

1923
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 5: try to you know, It's like every time I open

1924
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 5: a drink, I drink it.

1925
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1926
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 3: It ain't you know those people that open.

1927
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 5: A drink and then it's just sitting there and they

1928
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 5: never drink it. I'm like, damn, ain't you thirsty? I'm

1929
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 5: about to drink that. So like when I open a drink,

1930
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 5: like damn, I drank half of it in one swig

1931
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 5: and then you know, I'm probably gonna drink the rest

1932
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 5: of it and throw the bottle away.

1933
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 3: I don't walk around holding that damn drink.

1934
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: So once I'm hydrated, I'm ready to go.

1935
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, it's all of it, and it's

1936
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 5: the trash talk. It's like, oh, this is my opportunity

1937
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 5: to get somebody back for what everybody is saying. And

1938
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,879
Speaker 5: you know, now, after my five years in the UFC,

1939
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 5: one day BKFC signing and I'm seeing comments and things

1940
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 5: on the Internet and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.

1941
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 5: We don't look at this. Don't look at this because

1942
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 5: these these don't even know what's going on or what

1943
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 5: they're talking about. And the opportunities for me are so endless,

1944
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 5: Like we about to break the internet, real talk, were

1945
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 5: about to break the internet.

1946
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 3: Look, I couldn't recommend this chat more, not because of

1947
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 3: my uh doing, but you know he was on Aerial

1948
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 3: show the day before and he just seemed sedated and

1949
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 3: not with it. I got a very uh, what's the

1950
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 3: word I'm looking for, Luke Lucid? Is that a word?

1951
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Lucid?

1952
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, lucid, lucid, Yeah, lucid, silent, lucidity there. Queen's right. Yeah,

1953
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 3: I got a very lucid Mike Perry who talked about

1954
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 3: coach Littori's coaching styles, how tough he is as a

1955
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 3: parent of Ocean, and also we relived him sending me

1956
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 3: to the absolute bottom floor of Hell's basement. Luke, so

1957
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 3: do you do you have any interest in him moving forward?

1958
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 3: Because I couldn't be more into this.

1959
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 2: This becase not quite like you. But yeah, dude, I'm

1960
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: not a hat on Mike Perry's career. I think if

1961
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 2: he feels like BKFC is a good place. We talked

1962
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: about it. I think it's a good fit. Curious to

1963
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: see what he does, all.

1964
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 3: Right, and and you know he is that type of guy, Luke.

1965
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: He opens a drink, He's gonna finish that shit right there.

1966
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 2: I don't know quite what that means, but uh, you

1967
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 2: know it.

1968
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, Luke, you had a great interview with the coach.

1969
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Uh can you set this up Francis Ghanu?

1970
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was, well, the former coach of Francis A.

1971
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: Ganu and then the guy who is currently the coach

1972
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: of Cyril Gone. His name is fernand Lopez. He runs

1973
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 2: MMA factory, out of Paris, France. He's also the head

1974
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 2: of the Aries Fighting Championship. He was a fighter himself.

1975
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 2: MMA Factory is the biggest gym, one of the biggest

1976
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 2: gyms in Europe. They had like six or seven hundred

1977
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 2: fighters in their stable there, and Cyril gone may be

1978
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 2: the most important talent coming out of there not named

1979
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 2: Francis sen Gano. And even then, perhaps more important, this

1980
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 2: was a question of not just we did a full

1981
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 2: interview BC on how popular is MA in France, because

1982
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: remember it just got legalized, and so there's a lot

1983
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 2: going on because if you look at the history of

1984
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: France and athletics generally, I mean, their World Cup team

1985
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 2: is phenomenal in soccer, they're amazing in rugby, their judo

1986
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 2: is fucking unbelievable. Did they produce a shitload of athletic

1987
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 2: talent out of France. And now you're beginning to see

1988
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 2: things in motion where you begin to say, aha, well

1989
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 2: maybe this will transfer over to some extent to MMA,

1990
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 2: Cyril Goan being perhaps the vanguard of that in terms

1991
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 2: of the heavyweight division of the modern era. So it's

1992
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 2: a conversation about all things French MMA. But then it

1993
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 2: turned of course to Cyril Gan taken on Francis and Gano,

1994
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 2: And there was one thing he said that really stuck

1995
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: with me about what makes Cyril Gan so special, so

1996
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: different than other very very very good heavyweights, not just

1997
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: including Francis and Ganu. And this is what he said.

1998
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 2: When you think about why his striking works so well

1999
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 2: in mma, what does a guy like Cyril Gon do

2000
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 2: that his opponents don't.

2001
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 4: Mostly of the time is being ce bra. This kid

2002
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 4: is a computer. It's just a computer. I mean, I'm

2003
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 4: dear leones. When he shows up in the gym, didn't

2004
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 4: know how to move like that because he was enough fight. Actually,

2005
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 4: people they tend to think that serially is someone who

2006
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 4: avoid fighting and try to touch without get touched. This

2007
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 4: is the device of the gym.

2008
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 2: Cyril.

2009
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 4: Actually, I need to hold him on because if I

2010
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 4: release him, he will just dip fight. He love the fire,

2011
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 4: he loved the contact. He's a good kid. But with

2012
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 4: the like mentality of firing, you like the broad like

2013
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:31,719
Speaker 4: he like fat. So what what is good with serially

2014
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,959
Speaker 4: is that it picked very quick. What you tell him

2015
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 4: when he shows up in the gym, I told him

2016
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 4: instead of trying to knock people down. What I'm looking

2017
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 4: for you is to do not get touched. That's why

2018
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 4: you need to keep in your mind.

2019
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 2: And he goes on with a long answer there and

2020
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot more. But we called him a computer.

2021
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 2: He actually went back to that later in the view BC.

2022
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,719
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to do some more long form ones

2023
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 2: with people who have an interesting perspective. This was one

2024
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: of the first of those efforts here with fernand Lopez

2025
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 2: really recommend it, and he you know, this is a

2026
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 2: guy who made Francis and Ganu up through the Steve

2027
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 2: Amyochic fight, the first one, which obviously didn't go well.

2028
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: But before that I was going pretty fucking great. And

2029
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 2: Cyril is the new Cha, the new uh, the guy

2030
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 2: that he's got but has you know, Cyril is just incredible.

2031
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 3: First of all, he looks a lot like Lennox Lewis.

2032
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that before. Second of all, he's well read,

2033
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 3: like you nice bookshelf behind him. But do you get

2034
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 3: the feeling I remember there was you know, a little

2035
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 3: bit of bad blood between him. Did he get a

2036
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 3: raw deal from Francis in your opinion? Is he bitter

2037
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 3: at all?

2038
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. Exactly like. In fact, I asked

2039
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: the I actually asked fernand Lopez in this interview, what

2040
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 2: did you make of the rematch between Francis and Steve

2041
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: A because at that point he's been under the tutelage

2042
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 2: of Dewey Cooper and Eric Nixon over in Las Vegas,

2043
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 2: and an extreme couture he actually had. If you watched

2044
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 2: the interview, you'll see it. He's very praiseworthy's he said

2045
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: that Eric cleaned up a lot, he looked great, This

2046
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 2: was the best performance. You could tell he was thinking

2047
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 2: like he went on and he didn't say anything bad

2048
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: about him. I guess my understanding is, and we didn't

2049
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 2: really get to this time because everybody always asking him

2050
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. But from what I've seen in other interviews,

2051
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue was that, you know, Francis

2052
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 2: wanted to change things up. He didn't seem too hard

2053
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: about it, but that when Francis described why he was

2054
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 2: good or why things were going right, he never ever

2055
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 2: gave fernand Lopez or the gym any credit whatsoever, And

2056
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 2: I guess that rubbed him the wrong way. These are

2057
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 2: conflicts between these gentlemen. I don't really know, but what

2058
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 2: I can say is I think Cyril Gone is not

2059
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: just the present, but he is a look into what

2060
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 2: the future might be, not just from France, but that

2061
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 2: fighting style. You're gonna see a lot more of that.

2062
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 3: I'll never forget you, Luke. I said, you know who's

2063
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: gonna hold that heavyweight belt in a year from now?

2064
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, Cyril Gone? I was like, fuck, really,

2065
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 3: I mean he's okay, he's good, but you know, no,

2066
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 3: it turns out he's great, Luke, and this guy is

2067
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 3: a big part of it. So hey, look, we really

2068
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 3: give them what they want. The people. You know you

2069
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 3: want Mike Perry and I jokes or do you want

2070
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 3: a long, thoughtful discussion. You know you can get it

2071
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 3: all here on Morning Combat.

2072
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 2: You don't need to go any place else. MK's got

2073
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:09,759
Speaker 2: you covered.

2074
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you, Luke. Before we close with dead

2075
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 3: wrong here, I don't don't go on your Twitter because

2076
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 3: some guy named Johnny Plasma just sent a video of

2077
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 3: the Island Boys with you and I's face on it

2078
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 3: as they Uh yeah, that's that's that's something right there.

2079
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see that on fans submissions next week. All right, Uh, Luke,

2080
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 3: that's pretty much wrong to do that. But uh, luckily

2081
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 3: we have accountability on this show and fans who will

2082
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 3: send emails into Morning Coombat at gmail dot com every

2083
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 3: week for their Wednesday fan subs and their Island Boys

2084
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 3: videos and their Friday dead wrongs. When we speak into

2085
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 3: a camera and we just ain't right, Luke, that happens

2086
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 3: from time to time, and now we stand trial did ruin?

2087
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 2: Let me say, let me say this real quick. We

2088
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 2: see so for folks who may not know, we got

2089
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 2: lucky today, and I do mean lucky. BC was not

2090
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: supposed to be here for today's show. It was gonna

2091
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 2: be a solo show. Those are never as good. Some

2092
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 2: things happen in BC's life where he changed up. So

2093
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 2: now he's here. So my question to you is, since

2094
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 2: you were out, the producers only screened the dead wrongs

2095
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 2: for me. Do we have dead wrongs for you too?

2096
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: Or is this a fuck Luke edition of Dead Wrong?

2097
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 3: I asked Mikey if he could add some BC dead wrongs.

2098
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out right now if he did, Luke,

2099
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 3: I don't really know if he said okay, but we're

2100
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 3: gonna see that. But look, oh, it's the fuck Luke

2101
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 3: edition I'm being told by our great all right, you know.

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01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 2: What, but that you know what that means. You know

2103
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 2: what that means. That means next week is gonna be

2104
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 2: the fuck BC edition.

2105
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll probably a lot of mezosoic Era tweets

2106
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 3: and they're, uh, you know.

2107
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 2: All right, I'll take my beaten, I'll take my beat

2108
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 2: and handed over.

2109
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 3: This one's from day one, Dave, he calls himself. On

2110
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 3: episode two twenty, when Luke was discussing the Sha Curse

2111
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 3: Stevenson fight, BC asked who he called out. Luke said,

2112
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:58,560
Speaker 3: Jojo Diaz. When BC said, wow, Oscar Valdez would be

2113
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 3: a great fight, Luke, You're dead wrong. As of course

2114
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 3: it was Oscar Valdez who Stevenson bled out. Loved the show, guys,

2115
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:06,839
Speaker 3: but get it right.

2116
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough.

2117
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 3: In my interview with Shakur this week, he said, not

2118
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 3: only is the Oscar Valdez unification the fight he wants,

2119
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 3: he believes Bob Aaron and Todprink, who promotes both, is

2120
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 3: trying to delay that fight for some reason. He's like,

2121
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 3: I don't get the politriics. We're all under the same umbrella.

2122
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 3: Why won't they let me fight him interestingly.

2123
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 2: Because I think he probably do bad things to him.

2124
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 3: He my, dude, chack, HER's really freaking good.

2125
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fucking awesome. Dude, He's super good, all.

2126
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:37,759
Speaker 3: Right, Mitchell who calls himself apple face, fuck face McGee,

2127
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 3: apple sauce, excuse me, high BCNLT. This one may fall

2128
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 3: a little out of scope for dead wrong, but we

2129
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 3: the people deserve an opportunity to call out inconsistency's just

2130
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 3: the same. The event in question occurred on Monday, during

2131
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 3: your long and geographically isolating discussion about candy, which we

2132
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 3: call Lolly's down here in Australia. Mister Thomas states that

2133
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: people claiming not to like canded corn are doing quote

2134
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 3: a bit, as candied corn is pure sugar and therefore,

2135
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 3: quote what is there not to like? Within a disappointing

2136
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 3: two minutes later, mister Thomas then goes on to state

2137
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 3: that he dislikes pixie sticks, stating the following reason they're

2138
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 3: just a straw full of sugar. From mister Thomas, we

2139
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 3: have come to expect thoughtful and considered analysis, and this

2140
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 3: was far from that. The only way I could think

2141
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 3: of to make this right would be for Luke to

2142
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 3: do a line of pixie stick live on the air.

2143
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 3: I look forward to Judgment Day. Love your work from

2144
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 3: down under? Luke?

2145
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 2: Does he means honort it?

2146
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 3: Luke? I don't think.

2147
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 2: How many kids in high school do you remember? Like

2148
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,799
Speaker 2: it's like they'd snort pick Like the kids who snorted

2149
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 2: pixie sticks in middle school they all dropped out by

2150
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: high school. I'm not saying there's a correlation, but.

2151
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 3: Kids in middle school who would like turn their hand

2152
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 3: to you and they'd have a pin through the skin

2153
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,879
Speaker 3: and then back out. Those kids are weird, dude, right.

2154
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, those kids sucked. Here's what I would say.

2155
01:41:57,479 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good point this guy's making. I'm not

2156
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 2: saying he's mostly right that that's a contradiction. I guess

2157
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 2: my point would BBC. Well, I don't hate pixie sticks,

2158
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 2: but it is literal just dust in a tube, whereas

2159
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 2: candy corn is like most other foods, it's put together

2160
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 2: in some kind of digestible form you can hold in

2161
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 2: your hand. Like it's hard to hold, like walk around

2162
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 2: with a bad you know that shit in your hand.

2163
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: You have to pour it out of the straw. So

2164
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 2: I guess it's the method of delivery. About pixie sticks

2165
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 2: that I don't like. But when people say they don't

2166
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 2: like candy corn, this is my objection. They're like, oh,

2167
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,600
Speaker 2: it tastes bad. Well, if you don't like the consistency,

2168
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 2: that's one thing, that waxy consistency. But motherfuckers, it's sugar.

2169
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 2: What what about the taste that I don't You're hard

2170
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 2: wired to like it biologically. It doesn't make any sense

2171
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 2: to me. So that's the point.

2172
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I like that explanation. But Luke, next

2173
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 3: week in Las Vegas, when you and I are there

2174
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 3: for Canelo plant, I should buy a bag of those

2175
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving addition that I talked about, where each one is

2176
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 3: a different part of the meal, and have you eat

2177
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 3: it on resume, review and review it. Luke, what do

2178
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 3: you think about that?

2179
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 2: I'll be done.

2180
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm into that. All right, This is Zach,

2181
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 3: he says. In Luke's extra credit video, look people watch

2182
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 3: this nice. He presented the argument that.

2183
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Hey, people watch your shit.

2184
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 3: That Jessica Rose Clark had an impressive performance coming back

2185
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 3: from a two year layoff in actuality. She fought just

2186
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 3: last September, making the layoff just barely over one year.

2187
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 3: She took time off to get a cosmetic enhancement, which

2188
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 3: perhaps makes her even easier to simp for. However, Luke

2189
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 3: is still dead wrong fair enough.

2190
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 2: I didn't get the timeline right, I'll take that out.

2191
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 3: I didn't think we're supposed to talk about cosmetic enhancements

2192
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 3: on fighters on the air.

2193
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything you did, okay.

2194
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 3: Final one here is from he calls himself Schiff Raw

2195
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 3: the Ethiopian phenom.

2196
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 2: Well look we got Oh. This guy is always in

2197
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 2: my chats with like he's weird, right, so before you

2198
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 2: say this, he's fifty to fifty. Sometimes we'll have like

2199
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 2: a really great question and be like, wow, okay, that's

2200
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 2: a good one. And then sometimes he's like, hey man,

2201
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 2: how come you don't eat like dog feces and shit

2202
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 2: like that. I'd be like, uh, because that's gross. I

2203
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 2: don't know.

2204
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 3: Different cultures have different delicacies, right.

2205
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,759
Speaker 2: Oh, it's come on, I don't make this about ethiop

2206
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 2: see UCBC. This is where you're like, you're too you know,

2207
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 2: you need to get that passport stamped a little bit.

2208
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 2: You have impressions of the rest of the world that

2209
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 2: are just not accurate.

2210
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 3: I'm trying not to judge the man.

2211
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 2: Luke, Okay, all right, Ethiopian food. Ethiopian food. By the way,

2212
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. In terms of

2213
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 2: American cities, DC has the highest rate of Ethiopians of

2214
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 2: any place outside of Ethiopia. So there's tons of good

2215
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 2: Ethiopian food here. Bro. When you come and when DC

2216
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 2: or when BC does DC, we're going down to U Street.

2217
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna go. We're gonna go get some fucking ingyra

2218
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 2: bread and enjoy ourselves.

2219
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 3: I gotta think about what I'm gonna feed you when

2220
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 3: LT does CT. That'll be something there, all right, uh,

2221
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 3: honorable Luke Thomas. Even twenty one, at the one hour

2222
01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 3: and twenty eight minute mark, you stated that back to

2223
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 3: was found on meteors. This is false. They have found

2224
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:08,440
Speaker 3: what some scientists believe to be microscopic fossils of bacteria,

2225
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 3: but there isn't general scientific consensus and definitive proof. I

2226
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 3: wanted to add a double correction to this dead wrong.

2227
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 3: A meteor burns up in the Earth's atmosphere before it

2228
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 3: reaches the Earth's surface. A meteor, right, is what Luke

2229
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 3: was referring to, not a meteor.

2230
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Fair. I think that's a fair correction on metior versus metia, right.

2231
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 2: I am not sure about the fossilized bacteria versus. What

2232
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 2: my understanding was was they have captured which wouldn't be

2233
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 2: a meteor, it would just be a flow. I'm not

2234
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 2: sure what the correct nomenclature is, but that they have

2235
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:43,879
Speaker 2: captured bacteria from objects floating in space. That was my understanding.

2236
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 2: But if that is wrong as well, I will correct

2237
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:45,799
Speaker 2: the record.

2238
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 3: All right, Morning Coombat at gmail dot com, send in

2239
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 3: your future dead wrongs. Oh you think you think we

2240
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 3: we can definitely know how old trees are. We don't

2241
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 3: know shit, all right, we don't know you know. Oh,

2242
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what Pluto is eight million miles from

2243
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 3: the from the Sun. You have no idea how far

2244
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 3: away Pluto is?

2245
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 4: What?

2246
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 3: Because you built a telescope. That's gonna tell Luke. People

2247
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 3: don't know shit. Okay. People just act like they know

2248
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 3: stuff all the time. Well because they read it in

2249
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 3: a book at William and Mary. You know what I'm saying, Like,

2250
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 3: you know, bring that book to the factory.

2251
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Okay, bro, I don't know what happened in your academic

2252
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 2: schooling where you raise objections that are quite evidently ludicrous

2253
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 2: and you think that they're good. Uh, but it is

2254
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 2: a thing that has shown itself up a number of times, Dude.

2255
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 2: Scientists definitely know how far Pluto is and they could

2256
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 2: actually measure it and they have.

2257
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 3: Luke, if you ain't, if you ain't never been to Pluto,

2258
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 3: don't ever come to Pluto because you wouldn't understand Pluto.

2259
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 2: Well, dude, we weren't around for the Civil War. Did

2260
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 2: it happen?

2261
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there was. There was pictures, Luke, and there

2262
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 3: was writings.

2263
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Well, similarly, there's forms of evidence that helps

2264
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 2: us mathematically make those measurements.

2265
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 3: I saw Gettysburg a great movie. Right by the way,

2266
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 3: No one ever talks about that as a war movie, Luke,

2267
01:46:58,360 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 3: Jeff did?

2268
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 2: It was a good Wait? Is Gettysburg the one with Tom?

2269
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 2: What's one? What's the one with Tom Cruise? Like Morgan

2270
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 2: Freeman and ship?

2271
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 3: Oh?

2272
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Glory, Glory?

2273
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 3: Glory's is that Tom Cruise and Glory? I'm trying to

2274
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 3: wreck my brain.

2275
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 5: No?

2276
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 2: Is it math? What's his face from?

2277
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 5: Uh?

2278
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 3: Broderick?

2279
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 4: Yes?

2280
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Excuse me, yes, yes, dude.

2281
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 3: Glory is like a top six movie for me, and

2282
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 3: I think it might be a top three war movie.

2283
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 3: It ain't better than The Deer Hunter, I'll tell you

2284
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 3: that much, Luke, And I'm not I'm not sure it's

2285
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 3: better than what's that one you maybe watch from the

2286
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 3: eighties that was badass?

2287
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:33,560
Speaker 2: Well, we watched the Rock together, but that's from the nineties.

2288
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 3: When I went on that early pandemic thing where I would.

2289
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 2: Drink it or something else.

2290
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 3: No, Oh, Apocalypse Now was pretty badass too.

2291
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great one. I quoted Apocalypse Now this morning.

2292
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 3: Oh I missed that. You know I liked American Sniper too.

2293
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 3: Does that make me lame?

2294
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of all narrative one stuff. Yeah.

2295
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2296
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 2: People have a heart on for Special Forces guys, and

2297
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: I have to tell you that, Like you know, I've

2298
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 2: never been in the Special Forces. I don't know a

2299
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 2: whole lot of them, but every one of them I've

2300
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 2: ever met had like the most fucked up home life

2301
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. I just want to make that known.

2302
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.

2303
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 2: I had a guy who was I'll never forget this.

2304
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 2: Do you ever tell you about this? We had a

2305
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: drill instructor, a drill instructor in the Marine Corps and

2306
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 2: this was our graduation day. I'll never forget this. This

2307
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 2: fucker had. So you can tell if they're recon because

2308
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 2: they'll have a scuba bubble and then they'll have jump

2309
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 2: wings on their uh. And I don't know how it

2310
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 2: works with the name and everything else. They get the

2311
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 2: tried and if they're if they're in seals. But in

2312
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 2: the Marine Corps, the Special there's two. There's there's the Raiders,

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01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,680
Speaker 2: and then there's of course recon. Force Recon and the

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01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 2: Force Recon guys have the scuba bubble and they have

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01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,680
Speaker 2: the jump wings. And this fucking guy came to us

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01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 2: and he goes, it was his last day. I guess

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01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 2: he had been assigned for drill instructor duty. I don't

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01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 2: know why, but he came to us and he goes,

2319
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 2: I just want you all to know I hate you,

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01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 2: and I hate this job, and I hate my wife

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01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 2: and I hate my kids. When this is over, I'm

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01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 2: going back to recon. And he walked out and we

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01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 2: never saw him again, and I was like, okay, all right.

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01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 2: And then I knew a couple of guys who were

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01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 2: Force recon before and they just I mean alcoholics, and

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01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 2: they had a fucked up home life. Like people just

2327
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 2: lionize all these Special Forces guys and what they do

2328
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 2: is incredible, make no mistake about it. But you might

2329
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 2: be surprised about what you find about, like to get

2330
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 2: that good at war fighting, what it does to you

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01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 2: as a person.

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01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:24,719
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if you were telling me the Sean

2333
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 3: Strickland interview over again, when you were just explaining that

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01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 3: guy's story.

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01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 2: But you might understand, I mean I could, I could

2336
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 2: reasonably understand somebody whose job it is to quite literally

2337
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 2: kill people, to have to struggle with some of those things.

2338
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 2: It's if your job is to fight someone, then it

2339
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 2: gets a little bit different.

2340
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 3: My job is to watch people fight and then like

2341
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 3: kind of make really like oddball jokes about it, influencing

2342
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 3: and interspersing you know, nineties movie lines and rap lyrics.

2343
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,799
Speaker 3: It's really I mean it's it's a niche position.

2344
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 2: Look, it is a niche position. I just get a

2345
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 2: little bit sick of Like every time I open up YouTube,

2346
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 2: it's like this Navy seal gets up at four am. Yeah,

2347
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 2: because he's probably a he's fucked up. There's no reason

2348
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 2: for you to get up at four am. Stop being

2349
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot and hit snooze till six thirty.

2350
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 3: Please Mark Wahlberg's already worked out three times by four am.

2351
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well you know, okay, I don't care.

2352
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 3: You feel it, baby, I can't too. Oh no boom

2353
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 3: boom bom bom bom boom boom boom boom boom bum bumm.

2354
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, it's about to do.

2355
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 2: I have to go to the gym. So can we

2356
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 2: wrap this up? All right? Sorry?

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01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 3: Luke? Uh hey, great show today. By the way, I'm

2358
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 3: gonna get mine, so get yours. Uh, enjoy the fights

2359
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 3: this weekend Abu Dhabi Saturday afternoon, tune in on the

2360
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 3: Old Plus. Uh. Thank you to our great staff, the

2361
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 3: labels that pay us Showtime, CBS Sports, and Walco. Go

2362
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 3: to Morning Combat, Dot Merch. Get your Halloween line last chance, folks,

2363
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 3: get it. Also, save your shekels for the returns of

2364
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 3: the second batch of the MK drug. I know you

2365
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 3: want more color style sizes, guys. It wasn't easy to

2366
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 3: get this, okay, and get the patches we had. Our

2367
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,680
Speaker 3: guys had to really do some legwork. But hopefully we'll

2368
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 3: get more. Hopefully we'll get the MK backscratchers. Out and

2369
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 3: get that shit together thirty days for a showtime check

2370
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 3: out boots On and Company on Saturday and night Bela Tours,

2371
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 3: always lingering it's free, right, Look, if you ever turned

2372
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 3: out a free meal.

2373
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 2: A free meal, I don't know if I ever have.

2374
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 3: How about free?

2375
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 2: But maybe that hot dog with chili and cheese and

2376
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 2: shrimp on top. I might have to say no to that.

2377
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you might have to as well. All right,

2378
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 3: Luke has to move some bowels and we love you.

2379
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 3: Thanks folks for watching our show, for liking and subscribing

2380
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 3: what we do.

2381
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 2: Here BC Real Quick Live Reaction show tomorrow as soon

2382
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 2: as the fights are over, so come back here YouTube

2383
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 2: dot com slash Morning Combat. We got you covered for

2384
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:52,639
Speaker 2: a reaction show.

2385
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the Luke Thomas. You can handle this. He's

2386
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:57,879
Speaker 3: great at it. He's really good. Luke. I apologize publicly

2387
01:51:57,920 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 3: here before I get dead wrong for bringing your father

2388
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 3: in it. I'm so sorry.

2389
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 2: It's okay, dude, I love you, don't worry about it.

2390
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 3: Hey, brothers can fight, Luke, right yeah.

2391
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 2: Oh, in the case of me and my brother, we

2392
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 2: can just igno ignore each other.

2393
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 3: All right. Off for Wow, I'm breaking stuff for our

2394
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 3: great staff, Gaff Pierre on the Ones and twos, Luke Thomas,

2395
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 3: I am your boy, BC telling you we love you.

2396
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 3: Take care of your head okay, hard work good and

2397
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 3: hard work fine, but first take care of Ed. We

2398
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:31,400
Speaker 3: out love you, Thank you,