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Speaker 6: Dere Derek's Derek recruiting Shack. What we got going on here?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 6: You got him part of the mix.
Speaker 8: Apparently we're in meeting and I don't know if he
Speaker 8: takes firing those decisions, uh, but I hope that news is.
Speaker 5: Maybe helping them choose the lunch me and you, yeah
Speaker 5: for his lunch for Shack's lunch with Jerry'd.
Speaker 6: At the club club. Food's good as test.
Speaker 8: Since we're talking about Shack, let's go ahead and give
Speaker 8: an update on what's.
Speaker 6: Currently you guys got to recruit him now, everybody everybody
Speaker 6: doing what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 8: The last thing Jerry mentioned on the fan that he
Speaker 8: was gonna go have lunch with him and meet up
Speaker 8: with him and then one time it's lunchtime.
Speaker 6: I guess not yet, it's in the next five minutes.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe that's what Maybe that maybe that's the real
Speaker 5: reason they're closing the.
Speaker 7: Lunch up earlier today.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Shaqlonard, he's in the building and like like
Speaker 5: you said, Jerry said on one O five to three
Speaker 5: the fan this morning, at that point, which was around
Speaker 5: eight thirty, Shack was getting a one over once overdone
Speaker 5: by the medical staff.
Speaker 7: Obviously, like we talked about yesterday, the.
Speaker 5: Cowboys are satisfied with what they've seen up to this
Speaker 5: point as far as the medical homework on him. That's
Speaker 5: why they brought him in for a meeting. But now
Speaker 5: that he's in the building, you got to let Britt
Speaker 5: Brown and this medical staff do their work and their
Speaker 5: due diligence, and then after that everything checks out. Then
Speaker 5: he Shaq Clenard, will have lunch with Jerry Jones himself,
Speaker 5: which is another positive sign. Shows you just how in
Speaker 5: the Cowboys are on trying to get him on the roster.
Speaker 8: So have y'all heard anything yet all the physicals when
Speaker 8: and the medical part that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because for all we know, they could still
Speaker 5: be wrapping up the back end of that. So, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's not exactly a five minute situation. So we should
Speaker 5: know something in the next.
Speaker 7: Couple of hours.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately it'll be after we're already off of the air,
Speaker 5: but hopefully we'll have some good news for Cowboys fans
Speaker 5: at some point later today. And like we talked about yesterday,
Speaker 5: it's a situation where, on top of all the reasons
Speaker 5: the Cowboys should should sign him, there's the added reason
Speaker 5: of if he leaves this building without the deal, Philadelphia
Speaker 5: is on the other line. So if you needed any
Speaker 5: more motivation, you got it.
Speaker 9: I got my graphic ready. Yeah, waiting, there you go.
Speaker 6: The uh, it's it's it's going to come down to
Speaker 6: the recruiting part of it. You'll you'll win that battle
Speaker 6: right there that you guys do a great job with
Speaker 6: the recruiting aspect, the things, the building, the personnel, everybody,
Speaker 6: the coach is involved. This could come down to how
Speaker 6: well at in PACIFICA can negotiate and a deal and
Speaker 6: you know you have more money here in Dallas than
Speaker 6: Philadelphia has right now, Philadelphia can't get creative. They're not
Speaker 6: afraid to go over the budget, you know, to go
Speaker 6: get players or to move money around, and you know,
Speaker 6: so that's something you have to worry about. So there's
Speaker 6: a lot of positives about him being here in Dallas.
Speaker 6: But like Patrick says, you do not want him to
Speaker 6: walk out of this building and then all of a
Speaker 6: sudden show up at the Novacare Center in Philadelphia and
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden they're talking about, Oh, well,
Speaker 6: they've got this thing done because they move some money
Speaker 6: around and they were able to recruit. I really do
Speaker 6: trust the guys and gals that recruit here.
Speaker 9: Do you know what the money I.
Speaker 6: Have no idea, but it's going to be something you know,
Speaker 6: I would be surprised. It's you know, Indianapolis is paying
Speaker 6: the line share of what exactly the contract is Dallas.
Speaker 6: I believe it's like six million dollars cap space. I
Speaker 6: think Philadelphia's at two. So you're going to have to
Speaker 6: get somewhat creative with the way you do it. But
Speaker 6: you know that's so You've got some very talented guys
Speaker 6: here that handle that. And so if they you know,
Speaker 6: if the agent and Adam can agree on a price,
Speaker 6: I think you'll have a good chance of getting this player.
Speaker 5: And to that point, I love what Jerry told the
Speaker 5: fan this morning as far as saying the financial component
Speaker 5: isn't necessarily a big factor in this particular negotiation, and
Speaker 5: it kind of goes to the fact that the Coats
Speaker 5: are on the hook for several million dollars. Yeah, when
Speaker 5: it comes to Shack, So it's not a situation where
Speaker 5: the Cowboys have to you know, blow them out of
Speaker 5: the water. As far as the money is concerned, the
Speaker 5: money just needs to be respectable. It needs to be
Speaker 5: at a point where he and his agent are like, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: we can do that, especially when you package it with
Speaker 5: the culture Dan Quinn former teammates like Brandon Cooks, Stefan Gilmore.
Speaker 5: You get to play on the same defense as Michael Parsons,
Speaker 5: guys like Osa Doron bland Is playing behind you. And
Speaker 5: then of course you look at the offense and how
Speaker 5: explosive they've become with Dak Prescott, City Lamb, Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 5: that who I just mentioned. So yeah, I think that
Speaker 5: the package when you then toss in DFW as far
Speaker 5: as the metroplex, very attractive area to live, no state
Speaker 5: tax in Texas. The package itself is a fairly easy sale.
Speaker 5: Money is not necessarily going to be a big talking point.
Speaker 5: It just goes to, like you said, how the contract
Speaker 5: is structured, how the negotiation goes in that as.
Speaker 6: I think the thing too you also have to worry
Speaker 6: is therek The things you have to worry about is
Speaker 6: expectations though for the rest of the season. You know,
Speaker 6: both teams are have aspirations for being in that final game,
Speaker 6: and that's where you're at right now. Philly is ahead
Speaker 6: of you in that regard, so you know, those are
Speaker 6: the things they're selling. They're selling, Hey, you want to
Speaker 6: come here, here's the money you want to win. You know,
Speaker 6: Dallas can sell the same things. I mean, Dallas takes
Speaker 6: no back seat to Philadelphia. But he's to have to
Speaker 6: make a decision on which situation is the absolute best
Speaker 6: for him because both teams are struggling with their linebackers
Speaker 6: right now. That is a problem for both teams.
Speaker 7: You know, I'll also throw this out there. We're talking
Speaker 7: about a.
Speaker 5: Guy who's coming off of back issues and hopefully all
Speaker 5: chucks out well with that. But if I'm Shacklanard, I'm
Speaker 5: going to step into his shoes for a second. So
Speaker 5: everything else that I said is attractive to the Shacklandard.
Speaker 5: If I'm Shackland and I'm also looking at the weather component,
Speaker 5: because we're going into the back end of the season
Speaker 5: now we're talking December January. Would it be more favorable
Speaker 5: for you coming off of a back issue to play
Speaker 5: indoors in North Texas versus outdoors Philadelphia, because presumably, let's
Speaker 5: say Philadelphia gets home field advantage as well.
Speaker 7: It's something to consider, is what I mean.
Speaker 5: Because the code and at the link ah, that's rough
Speaker 5: in December and January. It's a little more favorable when
Speaker 5: the dome is when the roof is closed at AT
Speaker 5: and T Stadium, man, and you get to play in
Speaker 5: seventy degree controlled temperature. When you start thinking about like
Speaker 5: the accessory accessorial items around the easy packets.
Speaker 7: That's already to say. I just wonder if he thinks
Speaker 7: about things like.
Speaker 6: Well, you better win the division then because all your
Speaker 6: games are likely gonna be yes, we need to do
Speaker 6: in the playoffs unless unless you go to Atlanta or
Speaker 6: too as the fifth seed. And my my point all
Speaker 6: along is if you can't win, if you can't win
Speaker 6: the division, by all means, hang on to the fifth seed. Yeah,
Speaker 6: don't fall to six or seven, because you'll be playing
Speaker 6: outdoors in San Francisco. You might be playing indoors at Detroit.
Speaker 6: You know, if that's the case, if you fall out
Speaker 6: of that makes.
Speaker 7: It that much more important to defeat the Seahawks.
Speaker 4: On he's missing the most important thing that maybe he's considering,
Speaker 4: which would be how much how much playing time he's
Speaker 4: gonna get at each one because Kobe Dean right now
Speaker 4: is on IR but he would be coming back presumably,
Speaker 4: So is he a short term rental in Philly where
Speaker 4: you know, get to the playoffs? And maybe now he's
Speaker 4: not even active. Now he's not playing because Nikobe Deane's
Speaker 4: back in Dallas. There, guy's gone for the season, and
Speaker 4: so you're stepping into a situation and for him, what
Speaker 4: maybe the selling point is, Hey, you're gonna get a
Speaker 4: lot more playing time with us, a contending team, just
Speaker 4: like Philadelphia is a contending team, but their linebackers coming
Speaker 4: back ours isn't. And I think that that maybe your
Speaker 4: selling point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's if Dan doesn't take him off the field.
Speaker 6: In the nickel or the dime that they play and
Speaker 6: put on Bell and guys like that. That's the thing
Speaker 6: that we all don't know right now. That was one
Speaker 6: of the problems he had with the Colts is they
Speaker 6: were taking him off the field in certain passing situations,
Speaker 6: and he didn't want to come off the field. But
Speaker 6: maybe he plays well enough to where you're like, well,
Speaker 6: we'll do something else with Bell and and and Thomas
Speaker 6: and other guys that play that linebacker position.
Speaker 4: Well, we know they played three safeties quite a bit,
Speaker 4: so maybe he just worked that rotation.
Speaker 5: Rights we've seen get creative flick. So, yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: good problem to have. Just make sure it's it's a
Speaker 5: problem that you have because you want to have this problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But that certainly would be my pitch to him,
Speaker 4: is we got more playing time for you than Philadelphia does,
Speaker 4: at least in the long term, certainly by the time
Speaker 4: we get to the playoffs. And so that may be
Speaker 4: of interest to him. That may be something he's very
Speaker 4: interested in. That may be a part of his his
Speaker 4: factory of where he wants to go.
Speaker 8: Well, one thing we do know is what a great
Speaker 8: salesman Jerry Jones here is one of the best business men.
Speaker 6: They can show a drowning man a glass of water.
Speaker 6: I have I've seen I've seen him do stuff that like,
Speaker 6: you know, like I didn't think it. We were going
Speaker 6: to get this done and and next thing you know,
Speaker 6: Jerry's like, hand me the phone and then I mean
Speaker 6: I watched him one time have two general managers on
Speaker 6: the phone. And usually in a draft, they will not
Speaker 6: tell you who they're going to take. He had two.
Speaker 6: He had two different general managers on the phone Minnesota,
Speaker 6: Kansas City, and both general managers told him who he
Speaker 6: was going to pick, and he hung up the phone.
Speaker 6: He said, they're not taking our guy. Let's we can
Speaker 6: trade with this team. He got guys to admit who
Speaker 6: they were going to take. It's amazing the ability he
Speaker 6: has to draw information and then to convince you that
Speaker 6: this is the right way to do it. It is
Speaker 6: I've never seen anybody work like he does. It's amazing,
Speaker 6: it really is.
Speaker 4: This might sound crazy, but I think he needs to
Speaker 4: get the brus on the squad to go and have
Speaker 4: some conversations with him, Like Harold Nash Raymond.
Speaker 9: We thought you were just in the meeting with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I'm just saying that's where, that's where it's
Speaker 4: this can can hinge like, make sure spending some time
Speaker 4: with him. Man, you know, come on over here. We
Speaker 4: got some good stuff going on in this city. You know,
Speaker 4: everything that helps, every little bit, right, I think every
Speaker 4: little Now that the rough part is the Kobe. Deane's
Speaker 4: also bruh, so you know it kind of can go
Speaker 4: either way. So it's Jalen hurts. So they got some
Speaker 4: of that up there too. But yeah, we.
Speaker 8: Still have time. So let's go ahead and do the
Speaker 8: injury report. We haven't gone through that just yet.
Speaker 7: She started, she rebuilded against what are you doing?
Speaker 9: I say, you come in here late? You do not.
Speaker 4: I did not want to. I really didn't want this.
Speaker 6: I yes, no better than yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4: I'm with you whatever you want to do, so I
Speaker 4: really do.
Speaker 6: Maybe nine ten years ago you got away with that.
Speaker 6: Now today, all.
Speaker 5: Right, so injury news, injury news, sign check sign, we've
Speaker 5: got uh, We're going to run down the report. Rico
Speaker 5: Daldo he's still dealing with the ankle injury. He was
Speaker 5: limited on yesterday, but he's it's not sidelined him yet, thankfully.
Speaker 5: He continues to work through his availability should be green
Speaker 5: a green light for tomorrow Thursday against the Seahawks. Dante
Speaker 5: Fowler he was absent with an illness. We'll see if
Speaker 5: he returns today. If not, and if that cost him
Speaker 5: availability on Thursday, obviously look at a guy like Sam
Speaker 5: Williams taking the lead there. But you'll get an update
Speaker 5: when the injury report comes out later. Peyton Hendershot and
Speaker 5: he continues to be full. I mentioned it yesterday. I
Speaker 5: don't I think people are kind of forgetting that. There's
Speaker 5: a twenty one day window for Peyton Hendershot and the
Speaker 5: Cowboys are coming up against that, So they're going to
Speaker 5: have to make a decision on him if if they
Speaker 5: don't activate him, he reverts to season ending injuries, or
Speaker 5: the alternative is to put him on the active roster
Speaker 5: and make a corresponding move. Jay Ron Curse with the
Speaker 5: back tightness. He was limited yesterday. But I spoke with
Speaker 5: Curse in the locker room asked him straight out, what
Speaker 5: are the odds you play against the Seahawks? He said,
Speaker 5: quote unquote two hundred percent, So there you go. Zach
Speaker 5: Martin should be back today from a rest day, So shit,
Speaker 5: Tyron Smith, but he's nice not going to practice. Mozzie
Speaker 5: Smith popped up with a shoulder injury. He was a
Speaker 5: full participant on Monday. That's good news. And Tyris Wheat, Uh,
Speaker 5: he is in concussion protocol. He did not practice yesterday,
Speaker 5: and I think that's something to watch absolutely, especially if
Speaker 5: it's time to flip a spot to bring hinder Shot in.
Speaker 7: You might be moving Wheat to Iry.
Speaker 6: How about a linebacker?
Speaker 4: M maybe maybe maybe, unless you know practice, that may
Speaker 4: be your spot. But then then the question to ask
Speaker 4: is do you guys see the scenario, a scenario where
Speaker 4: maybe pender Shot doesn't come back to the active roster. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you see that as a possibility.
Speaker 8: It's hard to see him with Oh, it's hard to
Speaker 8: see him with a roll. Like I hate saying that,
Speaker 8: but right now how things have been playing out with
Speaker 8: the tight end position, it's hard for me to find
Speaker 8: a spot like when would I have him on the field?
Speaker 8: When would I take someone else out and put him in?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's mean drives me crazy to uh, to quote
Speaker 6: a fine young Cannibal song, she drives me crazy.
Speaker 4: Uh, young people don't know what that is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were good back in the day, I'm with you,
Speaker 6: but you know, and I'm wrong about these guys a lot,
Speaker 6: but I kind of felt like it. I was hopeful
Speaker 6: that Hindershot would come back and they would kind of
Speaker 6: switch those two out. That's why I was hopeful.
Speaker 8: I still haven't given up mckune. No, it's kind of
Speaker 8: like an up and down type of player.
Speaker 6: Gum on your shoe you can't get you know, You're like,
Speaker 6: you're mad the gum is on your shoe, and then
Speaker 6: you finally like, I can't get the gum off my shoes.
Speaker 4: Anything good about gum being on your shoe though, Like
Speaker 4: there's some good to him, right, I think?
Speaker 6: Right? No, No, he plays special teams and all that.
Speaker 6: I like the fact that they're using they're using a
Speaker 6: hundred lipkey more. You like those full back rolls. Hunter
Speaker 6: Lipkey is learning. They're like, listen, you go in there
Speaker 6: sideways and try and block somebody, you are going to
Speaker 6: get rejected out of there. You're going to get knocked
Speaker 6: out of there. So he's kind of figured out like, Okay,
Speaker 6: if I go in there and hit square, you know,
Speaker 6: I might get knocked out, but I'm not going to
Speaker 6: get knocked out as fast. So he's learning. He does
Speaker 6: it better than what I see from McEwen. You know,
Speaker 6: but McEwen plays special teams and all that, and you
Speaker 6: know when you fight special teams coaches on players, it's
Speaker 6: it doesn't work. They just they look at you and
Speaker 6: they're like, okay, whatever, I'm still playing the guys. I
Speaker 6: don't care what you say for me.
Speaker 5: It's difficult to justify not reactivating him, if only for
Speaker 5: two reasons. One, you still want to see if you
Speaker 5: can if he can step in and be another playmaker
Speaker 5: for you and Dak Prescott. But to that same point,
Speaker 5: you need to see what he looks like over the
Speaker 5: remainder of this year because in the off season, guess
Speaker 5: who's coming back John Stevens Junior. And John Stevens was
Speaker 5: a highlight guy in training cap in preseason before he
Speaker 5: suffered his torn a cl So you really need to
Speaker 5: see before that decision has to be made, what can
Speaker 5: him a shot do for you in year two. And
Speaker 5: you're not going to find that out if you keep
Speaker 5: him on seasoning, if you put him on season ending
Speaker 5: ir so you know, put him on the field and
Speaker 5: flip Tyrus weed if that concussion is you know, gonna
Speaker 5: hold him out, put him on four game I r
Speaker 5: feel it out.
Speaker 7: From there, and you do it that linebacker.
Speaker 5: And I was gonna say, but keep in mind, I mean,
Speaker 5: you could sign Shack to the practice squad and you
Speaker 5: have him there, and then that at least gives you
Speaker 5: a week or so to try to figure out whatever
Speaker 5: else you need to figure out, because it's all just
Speaker 5: roster chess.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's not He's not gonna play this week.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, And it's all just roster chess at this point.
Speaker 5: So so yeah, I think you bring up.
Speaker 8: My problem is and I absolutely agree, like I think
Speaker 8: you should. We should get another look before the season ends, exactly.
Speaker 9: But excuse me, it's very rare.
Speaker 8: Uh, that a guy comes back from injury and is
Speaker 8: effective on the field immediately. We're heading into the start
Speaker 8: of December and that's a tough month. We ain't got
Speaker 8: time to be trying out. Let's trial and error going there.
Speaker 8: Check it out. How you feeling we don't have time
Speaker 8: for any of that.
Speaker 9: You're not wrong.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's not fair to the player sometimes, but
Speaker 8: it is what it is. That's how it is. So
Speaker 8: if we were if it was like late October I
Speaker 8: would be fine, but looking where we're at currently right now,
Speaker 8: it's just it's McCarthy.
Speaker 6: It sound just like I love my players. I don't
Speaker 6: want to move. I don't want to I mean, it's
Speaker 6: just like, you know, but you're not wrong, right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you don't want to put somebody out there that in
Speaker 6: in Buffalo all of a sudden like falls apart in
Speaker 6: the game, you know, and it cost you an opportunity
Speaker 6: to win because you're trying, Yeah, because you're trying to
Speaker 6: you know, you're trying to like, oh, we need to
Speaker 6: get this guy back in the mix. Whereas if you've
Speaker 6: had all these other guys who've been playing with you,
Speaker 6: you know, the majority of the season. It's a good point.
Speaker 8: The gum drives up at some point and he doesn't
Speaker 8: stake on the floor anymore.
Speaker 6: I still don't know how to get gum off the.
Speaker 8: Shit it's just gone stays there, but it doesn't stake
Speaker 8: on the ground anymore.
Speaker 6: You've ever gone to sleep and like gum got in
Speaker 6: your hair, it comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 9: No, I don't fall asleep with gumb in my mouth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it hasn't happened to me.
Speaker 9: That happened to you.
Speaker 6: Clearly experienced drink enough. It will.
Speaker 9: All right.
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Speaker 4: a little moody at times. I said, I have not
Speaker 4: seen Nick as happy. You have not seen Nick as
Speaker 4: happy on a show ever as he is this year,
Speaker 4: And I think that show has a lot to do
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 8: He hasn't gone off on a caller. I know because
Speaker 8: he was.
Speaker 4: He has that he can get those moments when he's like,
Speaker 4: I've had enough. Whoever calls in is gonna get it.
Speaker 4: Whatever they say, they're going to get it. But no,
Speaker 4: he has You're right, he's very It was.
Speaker 6: A Heisman Trophy question today and he asked the guy
Speaker 6: if he listens, if he follows college fall, and yeah,
Speaker 6: I do a little bit. And he said, who is
Speaker 6: candidate for us for the trophy? And you could tell
Speaker 6: Nick was about ready to explode, and it was just
Speaker 6: very calm about it. He goes, Okay, well, hey, thanks
Speaker 6: for the call. I don't watch much college football. I
Speaker 6: could tell.
Speaker 4: And it's made him way more quati. But I think
Speaker 4: that show is really good. I listen sometimes.
Speaker 6: Storyline is a good show.
Speaker 4: All right, Let's talk about the Seattle Seahawks, Brian. Let's
Speaker 4: talk about their offense. They were held under three hundred
Speaker 4: yards passing three of the last four games. Against Baltimore
Speaker 4: only one hundred and twenty three yards. Washington was the
Speaker 4: outline with three hundred and sixty nine, but at the
Speaker 4: Rams two twenty three, San Francisco won thirty two. What
Speaker 4: was the difference between watching and all these other games.
Speaker 6: Yeah, San Francisco smothered them. We've seen how San Francisco
Speaker 6: could smother you in a game, and there they made.
Speaker 4: It really they made it difficult for Was it about
Speaker 4: the pass rush or was it about.
Speaker 6: It was about the coverage? It was about the coverage
Speaker 6: because then what happens is coverage turned into guys getting home.
Speaker 6: They've got some issues on their offensive line, especially at
Speaker 6: right tackle, or the problems that they're deal with. I
Speaker 6: will say this to me, their offense is really predicated
Speaker 6: on their wide receivers.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, they're struggling right now with the health of
Speaker 6: a running back, which I think can make a different
Speaker 6: Friends Kenneth Walker, I feel like watching him on tape
Speaker 6: when you start to talk about hand the ball to
Speaker 6: a guy downhill runner, be physical. I call him a
Speaker 6: no nonsense kind of a runner. I mean he's he
Speaker 6: excels between the tackles. That's kind of his game. But
Speaker 6: this this team is really built because of their wide receivers.
Speaker 6: Their offense is built because of their wide receivers. So
Speaker 6: it's going to be important that if you somehow come
Speaker 6: up with a plan, much like what Baltimore did. Much
Speaker 6: like San Francisco. They challenged DK Metcalf. You know, they
Speaker 6: challenged these Smith and Jigbo. They challenged these guys to
Speaker 6: have to make plays. And you know, that's the thing
Speaker 6: I've always when you watch these teams, I think it's
Speaker 6: one of the most talented group of receivers though that
Speaker 6: that they've they've faced this year. Philadelphia's got super talent.
Speaker 6: San Francisco's got super talent. But when you look at
Speaker 6: these guys and what they it's really it's a mix
Speaker 6: of extreme size and quickness, and I mean extreme when
Speaker 6: it's really one big guy and a couple other little guys,
Speaker 6: and they they will they will hurt you if you
Speaker 6: don't cover them up. They're not as consistent. I will
Speaker 6: say this. Medcalf is not as consistent. There's times when
Speaker 6: you see the deep shot and if you look at
Speaker 6: the metrics and all that deep balls, he's not The
Speaker 6: number of targets to receptions is not great, but there's
Speaker 6: a lot of deep shot balls and they miss on
Speaker 6: those the ones that I saw. That's something you're absolutely
Speaker 6: going to have to be ready for in this game.
Speaker 6: But I tell you what they're They're the two smaller
Speaker 6: receivers are you know, it's when you talk about Tyler
Speaker 6: Lockett and Smith and Jig But these are tough cover
Speaker 6: guys because of the quickness that they play with and
Speaker 6: their ability to find space. You play zone against them,
Speaker 6: they'll kind of sit down and and Gino Smith will
Speaker 6: find a way to get them the football. And so
Speaker 6: that's where I think this game is really going to
Speaker 6: hinge for the for the Cowboys. We'll see if Walker
Speaker 6: plays in the running game for them. If he doesn't show,
Speaker 6: Urbano is the is the is the backup, the rookie
Speaker 6: from UCLA, and he's more of a straight line kind
Speaker 6: of a runner. But these wide receivers are the ones
Speaker 6: that I'm worried about right now. Can you match up
Speaker 6: against them? Can you run with them? Can you cover them?
Speaker 6: When you play quite as much man coverage as the
Speaker 6: Cowboys do.
Speaker 4: So when you think about that from the standpoint of
Speaker 4: the skill set of this particular the Cowboys secondary, and
Speaker 4: think about what they do well, what they don't do well,
Speaker 4: how do they match up with those receivers?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the thing about it is you're not There's
Speaker 6: no one you really can match up the size of metcalf.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's you're just gonna have to go battle
Speaker 6: him and you're gonna and sometimes this guy will drop
Speaker 6: the ball. Yeah, I mean he'll drop it and you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: thank god, you know one of those things. But the
Speaker 6: thing about it is that the things that I do
Speaker 6: always worry about. And we've seen with Lewis and we've
Speaker 6: seen a little bit with Gilmour, it hasn't been as
Speaker 6: much and I'm I was waiting for someone to really
Speaker 6: challenge him on those inbreaking routes where he has to check.
Speaker 6: This could be one of those games where Seattle forces
Speaker 6: Lewis and Lewis and then Gilmore to have to chase.
Speaker 6: And when I say the inside those inbreaking routes right there,
Speaker 6: you know, all of a sudden you're getting a bunch
Speaker 6: of formation. They scatter and now the routes come, you know,
Speaker 6: come one drives hard to the inside. Now you have
Speaker 6: to react and go with I think that I think
Speaker 6: that when you talk about Bland, Bland can run with anybody.
Speaker 6: Bland can play the ball. Bland can you know he's
Speaker 6: comfortable going across the field because he's a really good
Speaker 6: nickel player. He knows how to play all the field.
Speaker 6: With Gilmore and then with Lewis, it's going to be
Speaker 6: can they hold up with those inbreaking routes if they do.
Speaker 6: This is how San Francisco was able to stop, and
Speaker 6: this how Baltimore was able. They didn't. They didn't allow
Speaker 6: those routes from their smaller, quicker players to affect him
Speaker 6: in this game.
Speaker 4: Ye all right, I'm talking about Geno Smith. He's had
Speaker 4: the elbow injury now. He just sustained it two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Did you see anything in the San Francisco game It
Speaker 4: made you think that's part of the problem because obviously
Speaker 4: you said that they smothered them a they smothered them.
Speaker 4: But with the injury, it's on his throwing hand, on
Speaker 4: his throwing arm. Is that a part of the equation
Speaker 4: as well, And that's something that maybe could benefit the
Speaker 4: Cowboys that he's maybe not throwing the ball as well
Speaker 4: as he was throwing it before.
Speaker 6: I think the thing with Gino, it didn't look any
Speaker 6: different the way. There was some questions about the accuracy
Speaker 6: because of the way that they were playing the coverage
Speaker 6: and how tight it was. So but I've seen him
Speaker 6: when you go back and watch him play the Rams
Speaker 6: the week before. The Rams didn't play him as tight.
Speaker 6: We've all seen the Rams out here. The Rams sometimes
Speaker 6: don't cover you, and he was able to Like he
Speaker 6: looked much better throwing the ball in that game, even
Speaker 6: some of the tight window stuff. It wasn't as it
Speaker 6: wasn't as evident that there was the struggles there. But
Speaker 6: to me, the guy could still throw the ball in
Speaker 6: the rope. I mean there's anticipation there, there's some tight
Speaker 6: and throw it on the rope on the line. Could
Speaker 6: he could really throw it on the line right there,
Speaker 6: So you know, with the anticipation, the timing and all that,
Speaker 6: he's got feel for that stuff. I do feel like
Speaker 6: his accuracy will come and go. But you know, he's
Speaker 6: one of those guys that to me, you watch him
Speaker 6: play and he can go the accuracy go up and down,
Speaker 6: or he will just light you up the way he plays.
Speaker 6: So I the thing I worry about a little bit
Speaker 6: with him is the escapability in the pocket. He's got
Speaker 6: the size, the body type. He's not what these guys.
Speaker 6: It's going to allow defenders to bring him down easily.
Speaker 6: He's gonna move, He's sturdy, in the pocket in the
Speaker 6: way he plays, but there's snaps where he will hold
Speaker 6: onto the ball and he will take a sack. And
Speaker 6: the forty nine ers got after him pretty good because
Speaker 6: they knew if we cover their guys that he was
Speaker 6: going to hold the ball and then you have to
Speaker 6: get after him that way. I think the Cowboys need
Speaker 6: the absolute same type of plan. Hold up in the secondary,
Speaker 6: make him hold the ball, and then get the pass
Speaker 6: rush on this right side of this of this Seattle
Speaker 6: offensive line. Like I said, they've struggled with the right
Speaker 6: tackle spot at a couple of different Jason Peters has
Speaker 6: played over there. He got hurt. It looks like he'll
Speaker 6: be okay. Storm Stone Forsyth is the tackle that kind
Speaker 6: of has been starting. He starts seven of the eleven games,
Speaker 6: and he's a guy that tends to play a little high.
Speaker 6: He's a really tall guy and he has and that
Speaker 6: gives him problems because guys get underneath him, they drive
Speaker 6: him to the quarterback, or they get underneath him and
Speaker 6: get to the quarterback. So the right side of the
Speaker 6: offensive line is where you need to attack these guys
Speaker 6: and hopefully you can cover in the back end to
Speaker 6: get your to get your guys coming off that left
Speaker 6: side home on them.
Speaker 5: And then what I will say is what I'll add
Speaker 5: to that is and you can't say this about every
Speaker 5: NFL quarterback, but I believe you can say about Geno
Speaker 5: Smith in this particular situation, stop the run and make
Speaker 5: them make the Seahawks imbalanced for a couple of reasons. One,
Speaker 5: like Brian said, the right side of that offensive line,
Speaker 5: it can be had, especially with the way the Cowboys
Speaker 5: apply pressure to quarterbacks. But if you go back and
Speaker 5: you look at the last four games of the Seahawks,
Speaker 5: three of those losses to twenty eight rushing yards by
Speaker 5: the Ravens. That was a loss held to sixty eight
Speaker 5: rushing yards by the Rams. That was a loss eighty
Speaker 5: eight yards rushing a little bit better by the forty
Speaker 5: nine ers, but most of that was after the game
Speaker 5: was already out of hand. So if you can stop
Speaker 5: the run for the Seattle Seahawks, you force the game
Speaker 5: on the Gino, you will have to deal with the
Speaker 5: escapability completing of it. But this is a guy who's
Speaker 5: not completely healthy. We don't know what the if the
Speaker 5: elbow injury is hampering or dampting what he can do.
Speaker 5: But the fact is it's there, so that means it's
Speaker 5: there for him mentally as well. He doesn't want to
Speaker 5: have to take the hit, he doesn't want to have
Speaker 5: to make the throw, he doesn't want to make et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera, apply pressure to him, make him overthink. It
Speaker 5: made him play hero ball because also two turnovers against
Speaker 5: the Ravens, a turnover against the Rams, two turnovers against
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers make Gino win the game for
Speaker 5: the Seahawks. And that will give you opportunities for guys
Speaker 5: like to Ron Bland to take the ball away, get home,
Speaker 5: maybe Michael Parson sack fumble, Sam Williams sack fumble. Oh
Speaker 5: soly saw what Jonathan Hankins multi sac game. So you
Speaker 5: can get pressure up front, but you gotta stop that
Speaker 5: run otherwise he's going to be way too comfortable back
Speaker 5: there with weapons like Metcalf, Lockett and JS And.
Speaker 4: Let's take our final break when we come back. I
Speaker 4: want to know more about these running backs. Kenneth Walker
Speaker 4: was a guy that last year seemed to be really
Speaker 4: really playing really well. This year they've been a little
Speaker 4: less effective. I want to know more about maybe why
Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker hasn't been as effective this year. And what
Speaker 4: kind of challenges does Zach Charbonnay provide that you'd have
Speaker 4: to be ready for. We'll talk about that when we
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Speaker 4: Today, Welcome back. It is the final segment of the
Speaker 4: Break Class Again's Opportunities. That's because Amber was over talking
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Speaker 6: One is she trying to Is she trying to get
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Speaker 4: He's like, She's like, do not make me miss lunch.
Speaker 9: He's over here showing me the lunch menu.
Speaker 6: What do you guys got today?
Speaker 4: We got Nashville Hot fried chicken. All right, sounds pretty good,
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Speaker 9: But today we're on a Friday schedule.
Speaker 4: Yes, we got me.
Speaker 8: You don't have like five minutes to get lunch, which
Speaker 8: means we cannot end this show late.
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Speaker 4: Let's uh, let's talk about the running backs. I want
Speaker 4: to give you an idea. Brian of Kennith Walker is
Speaker 4: a guy that that's that's been without him a little.
Speaker 4: Him and Zach Charboney what what kind of problems they
Speaker 4: present for the cow Well, the.
Speaker 6: Thing with Kenneth Walker and they're both kind of like
Speaker 6: powerful guys when it comes to running. I send the
Speaker 6: spell Walker. If you go up there and try to
Speaker 6: kind of just half assed tackle, he's going to run
Speaker 6: through you. I mean you have to go up there
Speaker 6: and be committed to being able to like put a
Speaker 6: shoulder in there, get bodies onto him. Uh, you know,
Speaker 6: I called him that, like I said, a no nonsense runner,
Speaker 6: and you know he'll break a lot of tackles because
Speaker 6: of his running style, the lower body power, you know.
Speaker 6: I think that's something that you know, they hand him
Speaker 6: the ball. They play a lot of pistols, so he's
Speaker 6: right behind, they'll hand him the ball. He'll just kind
Speaker 6: of he'll commit either inside bounce a little bit. I
Speaker 6: think he's got a little bit more movement than what
Speaker 6: you have with Sharbono. Sharboneau to me is a UCLA.
Speaker 6: And it's funny Patrick and I were talking about we
Speaker 6: were all talking about running backs, but you watched him
Speaker 6: what Chip Kelly was doing with him at UCLA. They
Speaker 6: gave the ball over five hundred times in two years,
Speaker 6: so they just it was downhill, downhill, straight ahead, straight ahead,
Speaker 6: And that's kind of back he is. He can handle
Speaker 6: that workload. So that's that's something. Both these backs have
Speaker 6: an element of a power game to him. Can their
Speaker 6: offensive line. I look at this offensive line and to me,
Speaker 6: it's very push shove, and I mean push shove. It's
Speaker 6: like they come off the ball, they get in their guy,
Speaker 6: and they tried and then they put and then they
Speaker 6: and then they try and shove the guy wherever they
Speaker 6: want to go. It's not like connect and then drive
Speaker 6: or combination blocks or get to the second level. It's
Speaker 6: like secure the down guys first and then let the
Speaker 6: backs deal with whatever else is behind the linebackers. And
Speaker 6: because you'll see guys just locked on their guys. But
Speaker 6: it's not like traditional blocking. It's in the guy push push,
Speaker 6: Oh you want to go that way, I'm just going
Speaker 6: to push you that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of rhyme or reason to their
Speaker 6: scheme in the way that they run. They really allow
Speaker 6: on their backs to be able to break tackles or
Speaker 6: to get extra yards.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, and which goes back to the point stop
Speaker 5: the run if you're Dallas Cowboys, so that you can
Speaker 5: force this game in the air. But something that Brian
Speaker 5: mentioned a little bit earlier that we want to make
Speaker 5: sure that the Cowboys fans are paying attention to is
Speaker 5: the status of Kenneth Walker. He's dealing with an oblique injury.
Speaker 5: He did not participate in yesterday's practice, so you know
Speaker 5: there's a possibility that either he will not play at
Speaker 5: all or he will be kind of hindered by that
Speaker 5: oblique injury, and that will put a lot of onus
Speaker 5: on Zach charbon Nay, who during the break I was
Speaker 5: saying I was so high on Charbonnay. Absolutely, he was
Speaker 5: one of the guys. He was the second running back
Speaker 5: that I wanted if we couldn't get a chain. We
Speaker 5: didn't get either, which is fine, But charlon Nay he
Speaker 5: did a lot of good things for UCLA. And the
Speaker 5: thing about him is being a downhill runner, he's surprisingly
Speaker 5: good with his hands as well, so he can catch
Speaker 5: the ball out of the backfield, so you know, keep
Speaker 5: that in mind as well. But he's as talented as
Speaker 5: any other running back in the league. But Kenneth Walker,
Speaker 5: keep an eye on that oblique injury. We'll see if
Speaker 5: he even plays this game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the word out of Seattle is that maybe they
Speaker 6: won't practice him, but they'll play him. That kind of thing,
Speaker 6: that they felt like that maybe they didn't have to
Speaker 6: have him on the field. We'll see that. Thursday is
Speaker 6: a short week. It's here before we know it. They
Speaker 6: might determine, you know, we can't you know, but they
Speaker 6: also might say, we can't lose any more games.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: They're in that situation too. So players this time of
Speaker 6: year kind of step up when they might not be
Speaker 6: exactly ready to.
Speaker 7: And leak is tough.
Speaker 5: When you take a shot to the oblique that's already
Speaker 5: kind of injured.
Speaker 7: That ain't fun. Yeah, that ain't fun at all.
Speaker 5: So if you're Kenneth Walker, that's something to consider as well.
Speaker 5: Because this is a Cowboys defense and defensive line that
Speaker 5: can beat up on you physically, and they typically do
Speaker 5: beat up on their opposition. If you look at what
Speaker 5: happens to their opposition in the weeks to follow playing
Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys, that injury report tends to grow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all things considered Marquis Bell I think has played
Speaker 4: fairly well. Yeah, as a linebacker. Have you guys seen
Speaker 4: anything that would make you be concerned about him matching
Speaker 4: up with size and power, powerful running backs that kind
Speaker 4: of thing, because that was one of the things that
Speaker 4: you always were concerned about is he's not really a
Speaker 4: typical linebacker size. But if you face a team that
Speaker 4: maybe where the backs are a little more powerful, they're
Speaker 4: willing to put their shoulder down and run into you. Like,
Speaker 4: do you see that being a problem for Bell?
Speaker 6: Better away than at Yeah, better player when he could chase,
Speaker 6: you know, when the ball goes h maybe it's a
Speaker 6: little bit off the edge perimeter, play better on the chase. Now,
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what the thing that with him and Clark,
Speaker 6: both of them, when you watch them play run defense inside,
Speaker 6: when the ball is inside, they'll step up. The problem
Speaker 6: is two and fifteen to sixteen pound guy taking on
Speaker 6: three hundred and twenty pound guards and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: It's not fair fight. So that's where to me, I
Speaker 6: you know, you go out, you're try and you're trying
Speaker 6: to sign the shack linard just because you're missing that
Speaker 6: element of having Leyton Vanderin. You're missing because you can
Speaker 6: have one guy play light. You can't have two guys
Speaker 6: play light. That's the problem they're dealing with right now.
Speaker 4: All right, I have one more question for you guys,
Speaker 4: for me in the show to Ron Bland. We obviously
Speaker 4: have talked about den I'm opening a new I'm opening
Speaker 4: a new topic, and we got like three and a half.
Speaker 10: That's just kill.
Speaker 6: Watch me, philister here.
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the question, this question too.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 4: Is Deron Bland a legitimate candidate candidate for Defensive Player
Speaker 4: of the Year.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I think anyone who doesn't have him in the conversation
Speaker 5: lose his credibility. I mean, he's on a historic run.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's a it's a an award that's typically
Speaker 5: dominated by pass rushers, and this year, look at the
Speaker 5: front runners. Their pass rushers household name is Miles Garrett, T. J.
Speaker 7: Watt.
Speaker 5: The list goes on and on, but there's no justifiable
Speaker 5: way to keep a guy with five picks sixes through
Speaker 5: eleven games out of the conversation for Defensive Player of
Speaker 5: the Year.
Speaker 6: Metrics will tell you that five picks sixes or were
Speaker 6: twenty sacks making the all of the leader in the
Speaker 6: division or the.
Speaker 4: Leader how many games left?
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, that would be so if you if you're
Speaker 6: if you're one of those guys and gals that believe
Speaker 6: in metrics, and I always say that that that that
Speaker 6: that's what that equates to. Those pick sixes equate to
Speaker 6: four sacks of pick six So he's got twenty of
Speaker 6: those sacks if you want to do that kind of math.
Speaker 9: Who came up with that math?
Speaker 6: There's people that come up with all kinds of.
Speaker 9: That's worth three sacks?
Speaker 13: Well that they it's the way these people with metrics
Speaker 13: and they create they create formulas against like yeah, like yeah,
Speaker 13: they're they're they're absolutely saying, yeah, what he what he's
Speaker 13: doing on the defensive side, you have to find a
Speaker 13: way to be able to compare what his what he's
Speaker 13: doing as a defendant as a defensive back.
Speaker 8: And I don't know how he could not be in
Speaker 8: the conversation for that for Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 8: I mean just it is extremely hard to just get
Speaker 8: one interception, let alone run and make it to the
Speaker 8: end zone and get it touched ONWN every time he's
Speaker 8: had those, So it's that that is so difficult and
Speaker 8: it's so impressive.
Speaker 9: The way and the it's happening in year two.
Speaker 8: This is the second year in the league, in the NFL, Yes,
Speaker 8: at a whole different level. And he's managed the new
Speaker 8: role with Trevon Diggs coming out with the injury. He's
Speaker 8: managed taking over that role extremely well. He's had those
Speaker 8: moments where last game, Brian, you talked about it yesterday
Speaker 8: a little bit. Yeah, he and everyone has those type
Speaker 8: of games. There are games that you don't have a
Speaker 8: Mic Parson really showing up.
Speaker 7: That happens.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, but looking through the whole season as a whole,
Speaker 8: he's had an excellent, fantastic year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of like the same argument you would
Speaker 6: trying to get Dack into the MVP candidate. You know,
Speaker 6: you've got to find a way to keep winning games.
Speaker 6: You got to find a way to this next run
Speaker 6: of games. You got to find a way to beat
Speaker 6: guys that you're competing against. You know, you got to
Speaker 6: find a way to beat Jalen Hurts. He didn't beat
Speaker 6: you know, the guy in San Francisco who's up there
Speaker 6: for the opportunity of that. But you got to find
Speaker 6: a way to you know, guys like that you got
Speaker 6: to find a way to win these games. And then
Speaker 6: you know it's the voters say, well, look, it's a
Speaker 6: dominant team, dominant player. You know, even though I do
Speaker 6: believe in my heart that a three loss guy is
Speaker 6: going to win the Heisman Trophy this weekend, you know
Speaker 6: at LSU and you know, so we'll see, I mean,
Speaker 6: but it it happens. But usually it's teams that have
Speaker 6: players on winning teams that get these awards.
Speaker 4: One thing to note is Deron Bland. He only has
Speaker 4: to look across the field to see a guy that
Speaker 4: did it. You look at what Stephen Gilmour did back
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen. He was Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 4: and that year he had six interceptions, only two of
Speaker 4: them returned for a touchdown. He had twenty pass defenses.
Speaker 4: In comparison, Bland has thirteen pass defenses, five interceptions, I
Speaker 4: mean sorry, six inter sections and five returns for such
Speaker 4: The Patriots win the Super.
Speaker 6: Bowl that year.
Speaker 9: Twenty nineteen, Was that right.
Speaker 6: Twenty nineteen?
Speaker 7: I don't remember.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to remember. I can't.
Speaker 4: They were in the hunt. That was when they were
Speaker 4: still I can't relevant Munch that was definitely the relevant
Speaker 4: but yeah, I think I do think that that's a
Speaker 4: part of it. Like you look at it, it's possible
Speaker 4: when you're having that much production, certainly when you got
Speaker 4: five pick sixes and it's a historic record, something that
Speaker 4: nobody else in the history of the league has ever done.
Speaker 4: I think that makes the case as much as anything
Speaker 4: else for him to win defensive player.
Speaker 7: Well, really, and in a couple of things.
Speaker 5: One, if you're having the defensive player for your conversation
Speaker 5: and you don't have Deryan Bland in it, you're telling
Speaker 5: on yourself the effect. But what what would be fun
Speaker 5: if would be if the NFL adopted something from MLB
Speaker 5: war I'm interested to see, like, for a player like
Speaker 5: Dron Bland, what would be his win over replacement right now?
Speaker 5: I think that would be a fun stat to kind
Speaker 5: of adopt at the NFL level. But again, to your point,
Speaker 5: there's just no way you can't have Durn that you
Speaker 5: don't have Deron Bland and your DPOI convers.
Speaker 4: At least in the conversation. Even if he doesn't win,
Speaker 4: he should be in the conversation. All right, we'll appreciate
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 9: Twenty eighteen the last year, Yeah, eighteen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they win the Super bowy Ov, they beat they
Speaker 6: beat the Rams and then the following your Kansas City
Speaker 6: beat San Francisco.
Speaker 4: All right, we'll appreciate you on us. We're back tomorrow.
Speaker 4: We'll jump into Seattle's defense versus the Cowboys offense till
Speaker 4: there's Patrick wafferd Walker brought us.
Speaker 6: Right.
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