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Speaker 1: Eric entire thing. It was very dramatic, um, but you

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Speaker 1: exactly how we do it and it is random draw Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: coming up more politics and policy? What is bidenough to do? Tonight?

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Speaker 1: Panel says I'm Kevin CURRELLI live from inside of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic debate spin room for This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Surreley, live from the Democratic presidential

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Speaker 1: debate in Detroit on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin CERELLI, Chief

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Speaker 1: Washington Correspondent, Tom blooming Television Word Radio. I'm here live

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Speaker 1: in the Motor City. We're in just a few short

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Speaker 1: hours halftime ends and it's night too of the second

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Speaker 1: Democratic presidential Debate. I'm joined by a panel of political

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Speaker 1: all stars. Max Greenwood is a national political reporter for

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Speaker 1: The Hill Newspaper, Francesco Chambers covers all things White House

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Speaker 1: political editor for Bloomberg News. And we were talking in

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Speaker 1: the break there's this viral story today about Baron Trump

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Speaker 1: President Trump meant today with the Mongolian president and in

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Speaker 1: have booked them in the eyes and said, get that

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Speaker 1: to horses. Go ahead, well, it probably won't fit in

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Speaker 1: the White Oak and besid because of some rules that

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Speaker 1: has to stay in Mongolia. So Baron has a pony,

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Speaker 1: but he has to go to Mongolia to see it. Wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, all right, Well that kind of stakes.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a mongolia. I feel like that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that you tell your kids, like, we got you

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Speaker 1: a pony, I swear, but it's in mongolia. We sent

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Speaker 1: Vice president, former Vice president Joe Biden. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: back on that stage. Francesco. What does he have to

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Speaker 1: quite honestly, because he'll be sandwiched between Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. He's got to hit hard and yet

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Yeah, that's true. And I think it's undeniable

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Speaker 1: that race is going to be an issue tonight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: So it just so happened with the way they shook

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Speaker 1: And you know today race is certainly going to come up.

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Speaker 1: What it's about ideas, what our bidence ideas? What is

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Speaker 1: You know. There there is his criminal justice reform plan.

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Speaker 1: So you now agree that that didn't work. Why should

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Speaker 1: idea that Medicare for all would take away the great

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Speaker 1: benefits that have union workers have enjoyed for decades in

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Speaker 1: Michael Bennett will be on that stage, Kirston Jillibrand, Bully

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Speaker 1: mean that, I mean move beyond that. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: we will, but but I mean he's the front ruder's number.

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Speaker 1: See but even with that, he had a great evening,

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Speaker 1: And I think they will prove that one night, one night,

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Speaker 1: go ahead when it quickly we got like a middle left, Okay,

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Speaker 1: very quickly. I just wanted to say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the country has been. It's going to be interesting. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank our panel. Don't flip around here and

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Speaker 1: listen to the second part of the presidential debate all

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Speaker 1: night on Bloomberg Radio. We had a continuing coverage all

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