1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the stick DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: here with you. Buck? How you doing, man, I'm good man. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: I can't complain. How's everything in your way? Everything is good. 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: The Padres are making moves, we're winning games. We're not 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: gonna catch the Dodgers, but we're gonna go to the 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: playoffs and we'll take care of them when we get 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. Buck. So that's it's all good man. 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: And we got football. We got a college football game 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the other day. We've got more college football this week. 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Did you watch it, by the way, Austin, I did 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: watch it, after I watched the slew of high school 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: games and everything else. And I'm amazed at everything that's going. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: But I think we just gotta have to get comfortable 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: and just hope that everything turns out for the best. 16 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: But it was great to see football high school and 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: college and to know that, man, we're left ten eleven 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: days away from NFL kicking off. Yes, it's right around 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: the corner. I'm excited to see what it looks like. 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: I had a chance to go out to Sofi Stadium, 21 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: to see where the Rams and Charges are gonna be 22 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: playing this year, and it is unlievable. Man, Buck, you 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: are not gonna believe this place. Yeah it was. It 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: is like disney Land if you love football, is awesome. 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: So that that was a lot of fun and I'm 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: ready for this NFL season to get kicked off, which 27 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: leads me to a really cool new podcast that's coming up. 28 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to in a minute called Huddling Floats 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: with our buddies Jim Trotter and Steve White. They're gonna 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: come on and preview a little bit of what this 31 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: new podcast is going to be like so that you 32 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: don't want to stick around for that conversation. Um, but 33 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: really fascinating stuff. But before we get to them, I 34 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on what's going down in 35 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: Jacksonville as a as another first round pick has been 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: has been jettison there. Yeah, so it's it's not only 37 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: Lenifer Net being jettison, but it's the trade with Yannick 38 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: and got Quai going to the Minnesota Vikings. And you know, 39 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: DJ is tough because from a philososophical standpoint, I think 40 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: you and I both come from the school of a 41 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: draft developed resign and that's how you you build your 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: team for long term success. And when you look at 43 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, unfortunately for them, they haven't been able 44 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: to stick to it. Um looking at the numbers, seventeen 45 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: that defense, which was Saxonville, a dominant defense, six Pro 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: bowlers on that team. None of those guys remain. Jalen Ramsey, 47 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: Calais Campbell, Telvin Smith, uh A. J. Boyer all gone 48 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: all out the building, Um, Jackson So you just wonder 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: what went wrong? Why did he go wrong so quickly 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville? And can that staff find players in the 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: draft and quickly reveal to make them contenders in a 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: very short period. It is hard to do. We know 53 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: the challenges of getting it right in the draft, but 54 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: now you're having to get it right. And we can 55 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: talk about the plethora picks, but you and not talk 56 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: about this. Turning picks into players is a horrd proposition? 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Can you do it? And can you do it quickly? 58 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: To get this team back to being very competitive? All right? 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Let me let me just pose this question to you. 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: If Blake Boarder hits m hmm, are all these guys 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: still on the team. Yes, yes, and and because like 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, right, So here, here's the thing. Blake Borders 63 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: and you liked him enough where you were you were 64 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: willing to buypass in the draft with Leonard for Nette. 65 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: You're willing to buypass to Sean Bason and Pat Mahomes. 66 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: And so your ability to believe in Blake Borders prevented 67 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: you from getting maybe an A level quarterback that would 68 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: have helped the franchise get up and going. So people 69 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: wippoint the Leonard for Nett. But if Blake Borders plays well, 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: then uh, it lessens the impact of Leonard for Nette 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: either being what he was supposed to be or not 72 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: being what you thought he was going to be, because 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback, in the elite quarterback can make amends for 74 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: all of those things. And so really it kind of 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: comes down to that when you miss on the quarterback, 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: and you failed to acknowledge that you missed on the quarterback, 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: it prevents you from moving on. The best decision makers. Look, hey, 78 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: we it we missed this, we messed it up. We're 79 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna move over, go cut all losses and we'll just 80 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: start over. But man to try and resign and justify 81 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: it might have hurt the jackson and Jaguars thinking that 82 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: they had something to play borders that they obviously was not. 83 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: You know who's thankful for that? A lot of people 84 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: will point to the fact and they'll say, oh, you know, 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I guarantee is thankful. It's the Texans and the Chiefs 86 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: because they're abody get those two quarterbacks because Jacksonville didn't 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: take him. I'll tell you who's sneaky. Who's sneaky thankful 88 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: for the way things went down in Jacksonville. You know 89 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: who that is? It's the Arizona Cardinals. Because if you 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: fast forward, the Arizona Cardinals had taken a quarterback in 91 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, and I bet you if you gave him truth, Sarah, 92 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: they had said, I don't think that's not what we 93 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: thought we were getting here. But do they hold onto 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: their draft grades, they hold on to where they picked them? No, 95 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: they immediately turned the page and say, Kyler Murray's much 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: better than what we have here. So we're not going 97 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: to debate whether you know, we talked about trucks and trailers, right. 98 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: They could have easily said, Okay, maybe we thought Josh 99 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Rosen was a truck that could pull the team. It 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: turns out he's a trailer that needs a team to 101 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: pull him. But we can still win with him. And 102 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: now we have an opportunity with this pick. We can 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: take Bosa. You know, obviously is the best pass rush 104 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: or the NFL right now nothing. You know that that 105 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: could be a strong case. But they resisted that and said, Man, 106 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: if you have a trailer at the quarterback position and 107 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: there is a truck that is available, sorry, trailer's gotta go. 108 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: We gotta get the truck. And and and then we 109 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: go from there, you know. And and for so long DJ, 110 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: we hadn't treated the quarterback position like that, like we 111 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of treated those guys with kid gloves. You took 112 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: one a. You don't want to bring somebody in to 113 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: make the starting quarterback feel uncomfortable. And I think now 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: more than ever, teams are more ready. Um they're ready 115 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: to move on if they have an opportunity to get better, 116 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: particularly when guys are on rookie contracts. And we've talked 117 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: about the super Bowl window is when the young quarterback 118 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: comes in the building on that four or five year 119 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: rookie deal where you can build everything around him, and 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, I do believe people were able to learn 121 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: lessons from the way that Blake Borders experiment played out, 122 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: and I think they added accordingly because they didn't want 123 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: to hamstring themselves, hamstring themselves with a quarterback where you're like, 124 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: I just don't know if this guy can never be 125 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: what we wanted to be. Yeah, it's amazing. We've we've 126 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: talked about forever kind of the impact of Man, if 127 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: you can hit, if you get it right, if you 128 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: get the quarterback right, man, everything else, just everything else 129 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: a little bit better. Everything that the air smells a 130 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: little bit cleaner. Uh you know what I mean, like everything, 131 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: It just takes away everything we used to talk about, 132 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: Like it's for breeze, right, any kind of smell. The 133 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: issues you might have, just that's this little for breeze 134 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: there with your quarterback. But man, if you miss man, 135 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: if you miss it, it impacts in a lot of 136 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: different ways. It does impact in a lot different ways. 137 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the past. For us, Jannicking got way, 138 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: um they moved them on. So they now, uh they 139 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: got about a second round pick second at a conditional 140 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: five that I gets just three. So so now in 141 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: the first three rounds of next year's draft. They have 142 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: six picks, uh two in each round, two first two seconds, 143 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: two thirds UM, like, DJ do you think like, because 144 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: we've seen teams like the Miami Dolphins loaded with all 145 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: this draft capital or whatever, what do you think about 146 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: UM having that much capital? And how do you think 147 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: the best way for them to parlay those picks into 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: players that can make an immediate difference as they're trying 149 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: to vio to stink well, I mean this year for 150 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: the Jags, forget wins and losses. There's one goal this year. 151 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: That's to evaluate Gardner Minshew and find out what you 152 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: have there. You know, because hey, we've seen the best 153 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL history was a six round pick. 154 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: So don't worry about where he was picked. If he 155 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: if he shows you some things, they've still got a 156 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of speed and skill on the 157 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: outside of this team, I think he's got a chance 158 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: to have a success. For you're the offensive line is 159 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: really not that bad, um. So if Minshew can prove 160 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: that he's that guy, man, now you're now you're in 161 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: a pretty good spot because now you have all this 162 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: draft capital be able to surround him with help. There's 163 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: some good young pieces on defense and speed there. Um, 164 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: they've got impact players at all three levels. It's crazy 165 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: as it sounds even all jettison all these guys if 166 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: they can just be solid and in other words, don't 167 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: miss on These guys don't have to hit home runs. 168 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: But just you know, even if you're just getting solid 169 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: doubles with all these picks, those six picks you just mentioned, 170 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: but they can add six quality starters over the next 171 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: two years. Um. I actually think if men show if 172 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: Mensho is the guy, they could turn this thing around 173 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: pretty quick. That would be the best scenario. The best 174 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: scenario for the Jacksonville Jaguars is if Garner Minshew is 175 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: an a one quarterback, a starting quarterback that you can 176 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: build around, because I believe it is a lot easier 177 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: to find the complimentary pieces than to find the quarterback. 178 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: I think it's easy to find pass catchers and runners 179 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: and people on defense that can make plays. But if 180 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: he's not the guy, now you have to make a 181 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: decision on which of these quarterbacks in the one class 182 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: is the guy and which one is the best fit 183 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: for how you envision your team playing the next five 184 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: years and so we'll talk about the guys, and we 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: don't know if these are the three, but Trevor Lawrence, 186 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: justin fields, Trey Land, those guys is the best fit 187 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: for what you want in your locker room as a 188 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: leader and as a player. The other thing that you 189 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: have to make a decision on is even if Garna 190 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Vinu is great, how great is he is great enough 191 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: to pass up one of these three guys? Right? Is 192 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: he a high end trailer like we talked about in 193 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Arizona when they had to make a decision on Josh 194 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Rosen or is he a guy that we're like, look, 195 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: he's a low end truck. We can get it done 196 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: with him. That is the challenge, because now you're evaluating 197 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: to be scared. You'd be scared to repeat same mistake. 198 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: You could be positioned to repeat the same mistake. Man, 199 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: that's what's scary. Uh yeah, I don't know, man, that's 200 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: gonna be That's anteresting. By the way, real quick, weren't 201 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: planning talk about this, but but Trey Lance the one 202 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: game exhibition season. To me, it reminds me of Apollo 203 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: Creed and uh and Ivan Drago. It's just this was 204 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be an exhibition. You can't hit him, you 205 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: can't hit me Central Arkansas. Are you serious right now? 206 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: You know a lot of hit man trade. Yeah, you know, 207 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't know DJ like a one game audition, Like 208 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: what are we really making that? What? Like? What like 209 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: what does it? What does he really have to gain 210 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: from a from a one game audition? I just think 211 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: it's just that that's the chance to get your eyes 212 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: on him to see, you know, see if he's you know, 213 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: got any bigger, stronger moving around. I mean, I'm comfortable 214 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: to me, one game, extra game is not gonna do 215 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: it for me. But I will say this, I think 216 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: it's smart from his standpoint. When you look at how 217 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: long this run up could be for the draft, I 218 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: think that game is like is it early October? I 219 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: think when it when it's scheduled. Um, So, if you 220 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: can get a month worth of seven on seven and 221 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: teamwork and throwing one on ones, that's a month worth 222 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: of real football and shoulder pads with opponents, that that's 223 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: going to be better than what you're gonna get if 224 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: you're going to train with a quarterback coach. Yeah, I 225 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: get it. Um, the risk factor is only the injury 226 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: thing like if an injury concern or whatever. Again, that's 227 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: is to see him certainly well with the appetite particularly, Um, 228 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: he'll get a chance to go if Justin Fields don't go. 229 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: So now Trevor Lawrence is playing, the ACC is playing, 230 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: but the imagination of okay, trade lance. I'm seeing trade 231 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: lance where I haven't seen Justin fields. And if I 232 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: don't see justin fields, where does my mind go? Does 233 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: my mind go to the guy that I most recently 234 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: saw or the other thing? While we're here, let's talk 235 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: about quickly Jamaar Chase opting out, Um, kind of not 236 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: quite at the eleventh hour, but in wait, almost at 237 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: the eleventh hour, because the SEC is playing what do 238 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: you think about Chase by passing this year? And the 239 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: other thing is what do you do now? Like how 240 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: am I working with a wide receiver coach for six, seven, eight, 241 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: nine months? Like what do I do with with my 242 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: time off? Well, here's a couple of things. First of all, 243 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: I found out about that the day before, so that's 244 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: sent out. The wet said yeah, there's a big name coming, 245 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: so that that was who it was. People were. I 246 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: actually felt one of those deals where I don't I'm 247 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: not a new I don't want to be in the 248 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: news breaking business. But it was just kind of like 249 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: a heads up to our followers, like hey, something's coming. 250 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: But I didn't even realize the fact. Stupid on my part. 251 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Then it was like Trevor Lawrence is Trevor Lawrence is 252 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: justin film, Like oh great, no man, I guess I 253 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: should have specified, like what what conference? Because at least 254 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: eliminates those quarterbacks, because that's where everybody's mind immediately went. 255 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: But um, and look, I have the best way, and 256 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page here. Book. The 257 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: best way to get better at something is to do it. 258 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: So if you want to become a better football player, 259 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: play football. That's gonna make you continue to get better. 260 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: Get those reps and get work. The thing that's unique 261 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: about Jamaar Jamaar Chase has a lot of good tape, 262 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot of great tape. I should say, there are 263 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: there are a lot of first round corners cash and 264 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: checks in the National Football League that I've seen nothing 265 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: but the back of his jersey when they've gone up 266 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: against him. I mean, he is torched all of them 267 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: with him. I can understand that. And again that comes 268 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: back to that conversation of Okay, what can happen for 269 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: you if you go back I mean you're I mean 270 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: top ten pick right now, maybe potentially top five pick 271 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: right now. When you go back to you just won 272 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: a national championship. You've got You've got all the table 273 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: you want to. I mean, like, we don't know that one. 274 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: To me, even if I'm ed Orgern, I mean I 275 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: might be like, hey man, you gotta do what you 276 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: gotta do. Yeah, I mean like it's it's hard. It'd 277 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: be hard for me to sell him. I know, we 278 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: worked for the National Football League and I want guys 279 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: to play in college. It makes our job easier, the 280 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: more tape better to evaluate these guys. Um, I couldn't 281 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: look that kid in his eyes and tell him you 282 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: need to come back to l s U. He really 283 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: doesn't know, He really doesn't. I just wonder, one, whoever 284 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: size and whoever is representation, is what is the plan 285 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: because this is a lot of lags on between the draft, 286 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: So what is the daily plan? Like what does he 287 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: do on the daily basis? He's like, what kind of 288 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: routine do we have him on? Um? All of that, 289 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: because that that is the thing like he is now 290 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: out of the structural environment that he was at UM, 291 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: And you know what's dangerous. You know what's dangerous, Buck, 292 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: is that you can you can overtrain and get hurt 293 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: during this time. This, I mean, this is so much time. 294 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: If you just go full throttle the whole time, that's 295 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: not good either, because I mean, if you think about 296 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: a college season, once you get into the regular part 297 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: of the season, there's not a lot going on during 298 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the week. Man, that's a lot of metal reps. You've 299 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: got a couple of practices depending on how to take 300 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: care of you or whatever. Like do you simulate those 301 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: things on a daily basis? Is going out running routes? Um? 302 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Do you have him on a Saint like a similar 303 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: game plan because at L s U he's probably working 304 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: out with two maybe three times a week when it 305 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: comes to weights, he is running routes every day as 306 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: part of his skill development. Well, how do we replicate 307 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: that part of it? Now leading up to the combine 308 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff? Are you really even getting 309 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: ready for the combine? Like? What are we what are 310 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: we playing? What we're planning to do when it comes 311 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: time to show off our skills? Are we even going 312 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: to go through that part or are we just going 313 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: to be like, hey man, the tapers to tape, you 314 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: know what it is. Yeah, it's that's it's gonna be fascinating. 315 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: I think we'll see more more guys faced with the decision. 316 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: We'll see what they do going forward. All right, let's 317 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: get to our conversation here. This is a conversation we 318 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: have with our two buddies, Steve White and Jim Trotter. 319 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: They have a brand new podcast coming out. It's called 320 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: Huddle and Flow. And before we get to the interview 321 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: our conversation with them, let's give it everybody a little 322 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: taste of what this podcast is gonna be. Like. Welcome 323 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: to the Huddling Flow Podcast with me Steve Whitch and 324 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: my NFL Network colleague Jim Trotter, where we're all about 325 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: the NFL, pop culture, the culture, and we're gonna have 326 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: discussions that might make you squirm, but we'll also make 327 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: you think. Yeah. We've got more than forty years of 328 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: experience covering the NFL, and what we want to give 329 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: you here is something that's authentic, that's raw, that's real 330 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: talk from two black men from historically black colleges viewing 331 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: the NFL through a different prison. We've got stories, information, context, 332 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: on and off the field, all things that will show 333 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: you this is no ordinary podcast. And Jim, the coronavirus, 334 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: the pandemic, I mean, this has really changed our lives, 335 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: everyone's lives in the world and absolutely in the NFL. 336 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Will also be joined out of the game by somebody 337 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: who can tell us firsthand about all of that and 338 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: a lot more. I'm ada our Verry, Brianna Taylor, George Floyd. 339 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: So many deaths this summer of unarmed black people, it's 340 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: spilled into the NFL. So on that note, Jim, of 341 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: all the things you've heard, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell say, 342 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: where does black lives matter? Rank right at the top 343 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: of the list. Steve, here the commissioner come out and 344 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: say that definitely signals what appears to be a new 345 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: era in the NFL. But Jim, also, you are a 346 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: po Football Hall of Fame selected. You think you might 347 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: be able to pull some gold jackets onto the Huddle 348 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: and Flow Podcast. Steve, you know we will be Hall 349 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: of Fame. Get on our show without question. This is 350 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: the Huddle and Flow Podcast. And if you don't know, 351 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: you will know. And if you do know, Jim, you 352 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: know that is fantastic huddle and flow. How cool is that? 353 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't more excited for this podcast? And Steve, I'll 354 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: start with you first of all. The thing awesome trailer 355 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: by the way, the thing that stood out to me 356 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: and I don't remember was your Jim that said it, 357 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: but just real like this is there's no there's no 358 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: pretense here. This is gonna be in your face. This 359 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: is real stuff. And I love that. Well, dij is 360 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: reel stuff. And you guys know Jim and I and 361 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: you know we we we keep it real. You know. 362 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why we are where 363 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: we are is because we're pretty fearless about what we do. 364 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: And that's what this podcast is gonna be. Now, it's 365 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: not all gonna be a h serious and it is 366 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: gonna be football. Okay, so we're gonna talk football, but 367 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: we're also gonna talk some of the things that affect 368 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: football socially health wise. Um, I mean, in our debut 369 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: and in our first episode, we've got two NFL head 370 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: coaches that are dealing with some significant health issues or 371 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: have dealt with them. So We're gonna talk about all 372 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: of these things. And what's cool is I send it 373 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: over to Jim. As you heard in the trailer, Jim 374 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: and I both went to Howard University. UM. This is 375 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: the year of Howard University, as is every year because 376 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: as Jim will tell you, whenever you meet somebody from Howard, 377 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: all we do is brag about how great Howard it is. 378 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: But again, and one thing that's gonna be really cool 379 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: also about this format is Jim and I are gonna 380 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: do justice to the history, the legacy, and the future 381 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: of HBCU, who's in the NFL into society because of 382 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: what they've done for us and what they mean to 383 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: us and what they've and what they've done for the NFL, 384 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: which typically only gets recognized during Black History Month. Yeah, 385 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, DJ and Bucky some of the best conversations 386 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: that we have at work or back in the green 387 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: room and their discussions that never make it on the air, 388 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: and we just wanted an opportunity to have some of 389 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: those discussions UM and public forum and to give fans, 390 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: I think, a peek behind the curtains of what people 391 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: are really thinking, how they're feeling, and particularly as it 392 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: relates to subjects and and and people that often may 393 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: feel their voices are marginalized or not heard at all. 394 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: So from my standpoint, I just want to be sort 395 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: of a the voice of hands. You will be able 396 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: to talk about things and ask questions that that they want, 397 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, that they want to hear and they want 398 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: to answered. And I think by doing that, that's what 399 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: being authentic is. That's that's what being real is, that's 400 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: what being you know, raw with it, and I'm looking 401 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: forward to it. I think it's gonna be a lot 402 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: of fun and and well, I'm sure we'll go through 403 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: a few growing pains, but hopefully we'll get better and quickly. Guys, 404 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: I want I want to I want to make this 405 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: abundantly clear. This is not some knee jerk reaction by 406 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: NFL media saying, oh my god, this has been the 407 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: summer of social discourse. Let's give two black guys a podcast. 408 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: Jim and I have been working on this in some 409 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: form or fashion for a long time, so yeah, for 410 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: two years, And so yes, the timing may seem coincidental. Frankly, 411 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't care what it seems like, because timing is important. Really, 412 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: it's important right now. It's funy because you guys are 413 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: too of my I guess most respected mentors, because both 414 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: of you guys are chiefly responsible for me being able 415 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: to sit in this seat and show way shape or form. 416 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: First with Jim when we work together Sports Illustrated and 417 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: I would call you countlessly uh to ask for advice 418 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: on how to and how to put things together. And 419 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: then Steve, who actually helped me make my way over 420 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: to NFL media. And so I'm very excited for both 421 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: you guys to have the platform. But you talked about 422 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: being such a unique set of circumstances. You have the pandemic, 423 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: you have this social discourse. Um, why are you guys 424 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: well positioned to nil uh be a voice of reason 425 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: during this turbulent time? Jim well Bucket, I can say this, 426 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think as you get older, you start 427 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: to ask the question sort of what's your purpose? And 428 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: when you're young, you're trying to make your way in 429 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: the business, you're trying to make your name all those 430 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: sorts of things. And for me, it was really um 431 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: background the time that Colin took a knee that I realized, 432 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm closer to the finish line and the 433 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: starting line in my career and when I'm when all 434 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: is said and done, what do I want to really 435 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: be remembered for? And I just wanted to follow my passion, 436 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: and at this point that was about getting a voice 437 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: to these players who feel like they're not being heard. 438 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: And I always tell this story about the Dr Harry 439 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Edwards told me about the conversation he had with rober 440 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: Goodale back in two thousand and six when Roger was 441 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: elected commissioner and he flew out to the Bay Area 442 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: to meet with Dr Edwards to talk about the date 443 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: of the league, and Dr Edwards told him that the 444 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: demographics of the league were changing and the more black 445 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: players were coming into the league and they were going 446 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: to become the face of the league and they were 447 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: not going to leave their communities behind. And I think 448 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: that's so important because so many people just view them 449 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: as football players and their three dimensional human beings. And 450 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: for me, Um really since in particular, it's been about 451 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: following that passion of trying to tell their stories about 452 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: who they are as people and not just about players. Steve, 453 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: I'd love to get to you on this because it 454 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: seems to me and we've seen it and the kind 455 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: of the uh, what's going on in practice fields throughout 456 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: all sports, but really it's just folks on the National 457 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: Football League. It seems to me this is a more 458 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: united you know, you know, players group, players union. What 459 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: are you gonna call it? That that I've ever seen 460 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: in terms of these guys, no matter of color, black, white, 461 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: you know, it seems like we're all kind of hearing 462 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: guys come and saying the same things. Right now. I 463 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: don't recall a time in the league history where we've 464 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: seen this type of unification. Is what's your what's your panio? 465 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: You guys have have have got a little bit more 466 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: great here than I do. Steve, so you've been around 467 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: a little bit longer. What's your take on kind of 468 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: where we are now versus where we've been historically in 469 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: that regard? You are lying so bad because you're gonna 470 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: just men right. Uh. Look, it's we're seeing these players 471 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: united and all of these pro sports leagues because I 472 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: think for the first time, and this is where I think, honestly, 473 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: the w n B a UM has been the most 474 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: fearless and saying if we lose our jobs, okay, fire us. 475 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: What are you gonna have to play with Okay, So 476 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: now then you want to sit us down like you 477 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: guys at Colin Kaepernick, Okay, you're gonna have to sit 478 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: down the whole nd B. You're gonna have to shut 479 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: it down. And I think that's where NFL players are 480 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: starting to realize that if these owners try to, I'm 481 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: gonna put it this way, kindly not hire them like 482 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: they did to Colin kaeperni because some of the other 483 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: people who stage these protests four years, they're going to 484 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: have to shut the league down. And we've seen people 485 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: going back to the sixties saying that if athletes of 486 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: color would ever join forces and unify in their protests, 487 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: in their resources, it would be a game changer. So 488 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: that's what I think we're seeing now. And you're gonna 489 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: have an audience say, okay, go ahead and sit out. 490 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: You won't get paid if these athletes of color go 491 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: ahead and sit out. You won't have games to cheer for, 492 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: you won't be able to have people over to tailgate 493 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: and to drink your beverages and to woo who um 494 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and then dismiss in the streets a little bit later on. 495 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 1: So it's it's just really an intriguing time. And one 496 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: thing I want to make clear what we're gonna do 497 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: with this podcast is it's it's not just black. We're 498 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: gonna talk too. We're gonna have voices on there that 499 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: may have contrary ideas because the back and forth discussion, 500 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: it's what Jim and I and everyone I think need 501 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: to have, one to educate each other and the other 502 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: to empathy, empathize and understand one another. And we also 503 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: want to talk as Jim mentioned, some marginalized communities. I've 504 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: got a lot of ties to the Polynesian communities as well. 505 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: This is a huge factor in the NFL. To a 506 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: tongue Tula is going to be a starting quarterback in 507 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the NFL. These are voices we don't hear about. So again, 508 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: we're trying to be some messengers, some conduits to the 509 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: public for a lot of voices that people don't typically 510 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: hear from. And we just think, again, it's an important 511 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: time that we we envelope everybody involved in the NFL 512 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and outside of the end of the NFL, because again 513 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have health officials, entertainers, uh, politicians on here 514 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: to talk about how the whole world is affecting sports. 515 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: And and if I can follow up on that, DJ 516 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: to your question about unity, I think four years ago 517 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: these feelings that players are having, particularly black players, are 518 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: not new. But four years ago, when Colin took a need, 519 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: they were afraid um to demonstrate. And Alexander Madison, the 520 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: backup running back for the Vikings, told me back then, 521 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: you were worried about being fined, you were worried about 522 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: being disciplined, you were worried about being released. He said, 523 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Now there is strength and numbers, there's unity. And he said, 524 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: if you find one of us, you find all of us. 525 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: If you discipline one of us, you discipline all of us. 526 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: If you release one of us, you release all of us. 527 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: And that's why I think I'm particularly intrigued to see, 528 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: for instance, when you have an owner like Jerry Dones, 529 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: who essentially is threatened players that if you needed, if 530 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: you demonstrate during the anthem, you will not play well. 531 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: I think now what we're seeing is that will not 532 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: only impact the Cowboys, there will be players on other 533 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: teams who will run to that as well, and so 534 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: you have to be careful there. The other thing I 535 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: would say to you, what's different now, too. Is Steve 536 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: mentioned the nineteen sixties, and back then it was it 537 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: was black players alone who were speaking out. Now you 538 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: see more wide players, you see in all sports now, 539 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: and it's not just a national issue now, it's an 540 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: international issue. We can go around the globe to where 541 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: we're seeing demonstrations and all sorts of countries. So I 542 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: think again, there is that strength and unity, that strength 543 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: and numbers that people feel like they're not on an 544 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: island and that they have support. And so in the 545 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: Milwaukee bus, see the Detroit Lions councel practice and the 546 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: next day they decide to councel a game. And then 547 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: I started getting calls from NFL players saying, we really 548 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: want to councel a game. We want a boycotted game. Um, 549 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: it's it. There is no island, and it's fun community, 550 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: international community. Really, you know, Jim is funny. Um you 551 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: talked about that, and you talk about Um, I guess 552 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: the unity of all of these different voices in the 553 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: locker room. And for so long, uh, politics and religion 554 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: and so many other things were kind of kept out 555 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: of the locker room. Whenever we're seeing those things filter 556 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: not into the locker room, but also onto the field. Um, 557 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: what do you think about this new world where we 558 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: are seeing the intermingling of sports and politics play out 559 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: in real time and in front of everybody for the 560 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: world to see. Well, I think it was a lot 561 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: easier to keep it separated back in the day when 562 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: there was no social media, when even there was no Internet. 563 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Um and teamed that greater control of their players. One 564 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: of the things I know about NFL players, particularly since 565 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Morris Smith came in as executive director, he wanted them 566 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: to see themselves as business people and not just as 567 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: football players. He wanted them to view themselves as partners 568 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: with the owners and not just as employees. And I 569 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: think we're seeing players start to take that to heart. 570 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: Whereas Roger Goodell said, there is no NFL without black players, 571 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: and so you were seeing these players start to step 572 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: up and realize the power in their voice and their 573 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: actions and the platforms that they have. So, UM, I 574 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: don't live the bath at all. You know gives a 575 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: former player. There's there are discussions that take place in 576 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: the locker room that never make the light of day. 577 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: So I'm sure guys, and obviously I've never been an 578 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: NFL player, but just having worked in NFL locker rooms 579 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: that guys have discussions about some of these things. Um. 580 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: And the beauty of an NFL locker room or just 581 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: a professional athletes locker room is that you have people 582 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: from all different walks of life, different races, um, different 583 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: religious backgrounds, different economic backgrounds, all those sorts of things, 584 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: and yet they all come together for a common purpose. 585 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I think there's so much strength in that, 586 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: and I think society at large can learn from that. 587 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: And guys, so those conversations were always kept in house 588 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: they got any workplace before. But now we're also seeing 589 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: when you talk about politics intermingling with athletics, it seems 590 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: like every week now a president of political figures asked 591 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: a question about, you know, athletics. You know, this week, 592 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: I think the president was where somebody one of his 593 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: associates has asked about the NBA players not playing, So 594 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's all part of it as well. 595 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: So everything is intermingling. I mean, of course everything came 596 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: to ahead when a couple of years ago in the 597 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: President referred to the NFL players as suner. Okay, that 598 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: that tour down. It's not building a wall. That tour 599 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: down a wall in terms of having discussions about politics 600 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: and ethnic conversation and social conversations. So it's not a 601 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: one way street here. And then again, these are these 602 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: are conversations UM that we hope to have with people 603 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot smarter than us UM on the Hunt on 604 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: Flow podcast. Oh that's great. This is again for for 605 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: people that are just hearing this and what this discussion 606 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: is like. Trust me when I tell you, these are 607 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: two of the most connected guys in the National Football League. 608 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: So not only you're gonna hear the great discussions as 609 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: you're hearing right now, You're gonna hear guests, Hall of 610 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: Fame guests. You're gonna have, as I said, coaches coming 611 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: on early on, You're gonna hear from them as well. 612 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's a conversation. I think it's important conversation. 613 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: It's a conversation I look forward to hearing from you guys. 614 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: Why have you though? I want to get you on 615 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: some some stuff that's going on right now in the 616 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: National Football League on the field. Uh, let me start 617 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: with you, Jim. When when you when you look around 618 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: the league right now and where we are from a 619 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: COVID standpoint from a testing standpoint, and the low numbers, well, 620 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: give me like a gym trotter optimism, uh reading here, Like, 621 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: how optimistic are you that we've we've got a pretty 622 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: good system in place to be able to work through 623 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: this season. You know, DJ, I'm more optimistic than I 624 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: was at the start of training camp simply because when 625 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, the league has set a baseline number for 626 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: UM positive tests and they are so far under that number. 627 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: And what that says to me is that everyone is 628 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: taking this seriously and the discipline that the players are 629 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: showing in terms of not putting themselves out there in 630 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: in situations that could compromise their health. So from that standpoint, 631 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: i'm I'm I'm more optimistic than I was at the 632 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: start of camp. Now, I mean said that we haven't 633 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: gotten to a point yet where teams are traveling, where 634 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: they're staying in hotels, where they're out and about for 635 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: a road game, that sort of thing. Um, So the 636 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: numbers could change, But I have to say, I think 637 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: the League, the players Association, and the players have been 638 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: a tremendous job at this point. Because everyone that I 639 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: was talking to beforehand, no one thought that the numbers 640 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: would be as low as they are right now. So 641 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: that's a major testament to how these players, coaches, and 642 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: everyone else is taking this seriously. Discipline, right, Steve, I 643 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: mean that that to me, this is a sport where 644 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: you win or lose based on how discipline you are. 645 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: And I've been kind of overwhelming and honestly with how 646 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: discipline everybody has been to keep us where we are 647 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I mean, and that's the key, 648 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: is the discipline. But I think what's encouraging also let's 649 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: give credit to maybe some of the family members and 650 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: everything of these players, because you know, usually not all 651 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: these players are staying in hotels like they typically doing 652 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: training camp or dorms. These guys are going home, So 653 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean they they've sent the message across to their 654 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: spouses or friends or whomever, or relatives who may live 655 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: with them, don't bring this stuff in here. And so 656 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: that that to me is why I'm encouraged we're gonna 657 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: get in all sixteen games. That granted, there may be 658 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: some outbreaks on some teams and they may have to 659 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: postpone a game or two here and there, and maybe 660 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: making up on a bye week like we saw with 661 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: the Marlins and the St. Louis Cardinals in Major League Baseball. 662 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: But I just think that the fact that everyone is 663 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of understanding the importance of this and the fact 664 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: that nobody really wants to get sick um. I think 665 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: that's I think that's a huge, huge element of this. 666 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: And if we in regular society can can continue to 667 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: do what we're doing to bring these numbers down, I'm 668 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: actually encouraged, you know, to some degree that we might 669 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: have some fans in the stadiums by the halfway point 670 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: of the season, maybe not full capacity, but more than 671 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: just some of the partial capacities. We're saying it a 672 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: handful of stadiums to start the season, you know, Stephen 673 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: and thinking about the fans, because the the X factor 674 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: here is the outside world. UH. Coaching and general manager executives. 675 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: They can get around the players and tell them to 676 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: make the right decisions, but what you can't control are 677 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: the outside factors, the outside world where people aren't wearing masks, 678 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: if they are engaging that engaging in behaviors that are 679 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: appropriate based on what the regulations are, um to what 680 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: level or to what extremes are these teams going to 681 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: really employ their players to really stay away from the 682 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: outsiders and to keep it uh to a position where 683 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: they can protect not only themselves but everybody on the 684 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: team by not making these risky choices and endeavors, particularly 685 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: when we get to the regular season and the routine 686 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: goes back to being what they're accustomed to having. Yeah, 687 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: they're putting bubbles around every late night chicken wing places now. 688 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: But what the teams I mean, first off, is in 689 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: the in the restructured c b A, they put discipline. 690 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: They put disciplinary measures in there if they find players 691 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: out hanging out at clubs, are going to these late 692 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: night chicken wing places. So I mean, so there are 693 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: disciplinary measures c w P s is that we call 694 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: them c w P so so so so you know, 695 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: players can get fine, suspended, you know, discipline if if 696 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: they violate something. So that's part of it. But I 697 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: mean some of the things that the teams are doing, 698 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: it's constant reminders. And you know, and I spoke with 699 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: Reggie Scott, the l a RAMS vice president of Sports 700 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: and Medicine before teams before players reported, and the said 701 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: the main thing is educating them. We know the basics, 702 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: wash your hands, social distance, wear masks. Then, of course 703 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: they've got all these different things in their facilities, but 704 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: educating them as to where they take all of these 705 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: practices home. Okay, it's like when when we were sixteen, 706 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: we were bus boys at restaurants and we've got to 707 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: mop up the floor every thirty minutes, or white tables down. 708 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: They said, take this stuff at home, and your mom's 709 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: gonna be real happy with you know, the way you're 710 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: cleaning up after you. So that's kind of the thinking 711 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: here with these NFL teams. Go home, Make sure that 712 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: you know everyone's watching if they go out for you know, 713 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: if your kids go out, they're playing in playgrounds, clean 714 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: them off before you set them down on the furniture. 715 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: You know, whatever it takes. And those are the practices 716 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: now that are really gonna have to be pushed, you know, 717 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: the messages pushed from when players get back into kind 718 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: of the regular mainstream of living. When training camp breaks, 719 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: most of them are breaking this week. Try I want 720 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: to know if you can join me and Bucky and 721 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: our pinky promise that we've made to each other. We 722 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: have really we have pinky swore that we are not 723 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: going to bail on the Arizona Cardinals. We are both 724 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: in on the Arizona Cardinals being a playoff team this year. 725 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: We're buying it because of two things. You win in 726 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: football today, as we always talk about on this podcast, 727 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: you win with quarterback play and pass rush. That's the 728 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: way the game's played. It's a it's a quarterback league, 729 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: and it's can you get to the quarterback? And when 730 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: I look at Kyler Murray and Bucky and I have 731 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: talked about him, we think he's gonna win an MVP 732 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: in the next two to three years, Like he's that good. 733 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: And you've got Chandler Jones and company on that defensive run, 734 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: I think I think they're they're ready to go. So 735 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: you're you guys are both welcome to join us on 736 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: our pinky promise right now. It's it's a two man 737 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: pinky promise, but we're happy to make it four if 738 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: you want to join a struck um. I like the 739 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals a lot, but I can't join your promise simply 740 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: because of that division they play in. I just I can't. 741 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: You know, look the forty Niners right now, the class 742 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: of that division, Seattle agreeing with literally literally within inches 743 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: of winning that Division last year. So I think Arizona 744 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: is gonna make tremendous strides this year, and I think 745 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: it will be a dangerous club. But I can't pick 746 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: it to make the playoffs at this point. I don't 747 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: have I don't have to pinky, but it's it's pretty jash, 748 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: So I couldn't do it anyway. I can't do it. 749 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: I can't do I love Kyle Muri, I'm with you. 750 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: I think this guy is gonna be one of the 751 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: best players in the NFL for the next fifteen years. Okay, 752 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: but that offensive line is not I mean, come on, you, 753 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: you you you got to get you know, d ho Steve. 754 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: You know you have interrupted in your right now, Steve, 755 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: because we've said this about Seattle. Seattle has had slop 756 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: in front of Russell Wilson his entire career. But sometimes 757 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: we've got when you've got David DJ, when you've got 758 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: David Blaine back there, it doesn't matter what's in funny. 759 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has been proven that in his whole career. 760 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: But they can run. They can run the football in Seattle. 761 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: That's what they do when push comes to shove, except 762 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: for when you're on the one yard line of the 763 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They can run the football. The Arizona Cardinals 764 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: have no desire to run the football. They're gonna stretch 765 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: stuff out with Kenyan Drake and do this and that. 766 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: But I just can't go there. I do think that 767 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: defense is gonna be vastly improved. Um, some of the 768 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: things over there, a lot of speed that here's a 769 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: player to look out for to and you guys, divine 770 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: Dray Campbell the stuff I'm hearing about. They say he 771 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: has been absolutely fantastic. I think it's gonna be better 772 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: from the jump. Getting Drake Killpatrick to start opposite Patrick 773 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: Peterson at that other corner is gonna make up for 774 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: the loss of Robert Al. Just an offensive Come on, 775 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: you're going off. You're going up against that forty Niners? 776 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: Do you lie? You're going up against Aaron Donald and 777 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: Michael Brocker's I don't know what the Seahawks have to 778 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: offer that category. Steve Go watch Texas Tech boy. Texas 779 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: Tech has not produced an offensive lineman in a hundred years. 780 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: And all they do, all they do is scot points 781 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: a game in this offense. That's what they're gonna do. 782 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 1: It's gonna be catch throw, catch rock brow They're gonna 783 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: te Texas North Carolina A and T like I went. 784 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: I went, I went and scouttered corner. I went and 785 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: scouted a corner from from North Carolina anti true story. 786 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: The I went and saw him play. Uh. I think 787 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: it was either Townsend or Morgan. Uh. But it was 788 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: a road game and Curtis de Loach is the guy's name, 789 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: thank you right remember him? So I went scouted half 790 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: the So I go to the game, and I think 791 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: it might have been Morgan at the time. And I know, 792 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they have newer facilities now, but at 793 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: the time there was like no visited locker room. So 794 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: they I'm not kiding, so trot. They pulled the bus 795 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 1: up and it was like a yellow school bus. They 796 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: pulled the bus up right next to the field. So 797 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: then like you know, before the game, they would all 798 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: trot back in no pun INTENDA would all go back 799 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 1: into the school bus to have their meeting as a team, 800 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: and then they go right. They turned the school bus 801 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: into the visitor's locker room. Was the most ingenious thing 802 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: I had ever seen, because all I'm sure all the 803 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: other teams just sit on the grass, you know out 804 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: there behind the goal post. No we got but DJ, 805 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: I need I need a true scouting report on this. 806 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: The halftime bands, how was it strong? Very strong? Strong 807 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: to very strong? All right, a halftime an h game 808 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: and you're speaking to someone who came from California who 809 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: would never be into a black college game before you 810 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: got to Howard. It's just a different experience. And words, yeah, 811 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: no words can can can describe it to you. You You 812 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: just have to experience it until you here. Until you 813 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: hear neck which is a hybrid version of cameos talking 814 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: about the side of your neck by any HBCU marching 815 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: and that is a jam that has been appropriated by 816 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: LSUS Marching Band and several others. But until you see 817 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: the HBC use out there getting down with the major 818 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: rats and the drum major see Buck, this is how 819 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: I hear about I'll say you have the best marching band. 820 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is what we're gonna get on 821 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: this podcast. By the way, we should be. We should 822 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: be invited for a return engagement some point. I've just 823 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: to talk HBC like scouting experience because I'll give you 824 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: one more. I'll give you one more I'll give you 825 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: one more. So I go to Uh, this was Morgan 826 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: for sure. I think the other one might have been 827 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: at Townsend, but I'm not sure. But I went to 828 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: Morgan's Morgan States Pro Day and the coach there was 829 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: at the time was just a super good dude. So 830 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: normally you go to pro days if you guys have 831 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: been there, you have the guys in the graduating class, 832 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: and then maybe they'll let two or three kids that 833 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: graduated previously come back. Right five tops. I show up 834 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: to this pro day. Mind you, this meat and this 835 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: scout from the Washington football team and the only two 836 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: scouts at the pro day. I'm not there was fifty 837 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: guys there. I'm like, this dude is this dude looks 838 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: like he's forty five years probably. Well, so we get there. 839 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: They have no vertex. No vertex right, So if you 840 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: if you watch the COMMA and you watch guys do 841 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: the vertical, they have the little tower of little of 842 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: little pegs. You gotta jump up and flick them and 843 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: that's how we measure your vertical jump. Well, I go 844 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: the coach. I go, coach, Uh, you know we can 845 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: we can set up for everything we need to do, 846 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: like where's the wor should we put the vertex? Like 847 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: we don't have vertex. I'm like, oh man, what do 848 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: I I gotta do? So I actually was like talking 849 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: with some older scouts like on the phone, like hey, 850 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,919 Speaker 1: I'm at this pro day. I'm like in my first 851 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: or second year. Yeah, I was supposed to figure out 852 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: the vertical for these guys with no vertex, Like, oh, 853 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: you gotta get pool chalk. So you get you chalked 854 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: their middle finger. You go into the gym, You have 855 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: them reach up with their hand and make as high 856 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: as they can and then mark that with the pool chalk. 857 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: Then they have to jump and tap with their and 858 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: then you measure the difference and that's how you get it. 859 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: So buck, No, but I did not know this and 860 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: I had to do like five guys going through here. 861 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: So that was my come on and just talk to DJ. Worked. 862 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: DJ worked too hard. You said you went to the gym. 863 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: All you had to do is get a basketball hoop. 864 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: I who like, you know, it's not gonna lie to you. 865 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: That's all you had. It got to the point with 866 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: some of the guys try There was some of the 867 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: guys up there like get ready to jump, and I'd 868 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: be like, hey, you've been you've been training. Yeah, what 869 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: what's the best you've gotten in practice? Like, oh, like 870 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: a thirty one A right, I gotta jump. Yeah, there 871 00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: you go, thirty one and a half. There's a lesson 872 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: in there too. That's the beauty of hbc US. We 873 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,280 Speaker 1: don't focus on what we don't have. We just find 874 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: a way in the real world. Nothing but smiles on 875 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: everybody's faces too. I mean it was it was actually 876 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: a fun it was a fun memory. Uh, here's one 877 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: reason why we're gonna have you guys on when it 878 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: comes to scouting, and this is we're gonna we're gonna 879 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 1: take a turn to a little serious. So almost every 880 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: HBCU program is not playing this fall, right, Only one 881 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: player from an HBC you got drafted last year, Um, 882 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: only one was invited to the Combine. And I don't 883 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: think anyonere invited to the Senior Bowl. So without anybody, 884 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, you see that, I mean that's limited. And 885 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,919 Speaker 1: now there's no film for a lot of people because 886 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: HBCUs are one places where got you know, one area 887 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: where guys get much better from sophomore to junior, junior 888 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: to Senior and so without any of this, it seems like, man, 889 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: HBCUs are gonna be shut out again without the possibility 890 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: to play um, you know, so we gotta have you 891 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: on to see if there's anybody to get people to uh, 892 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, to the Senior Bowl. I member. Last year 893 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: they trying to have the HBCU combine, which would be important, 894 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: but we don't know where COVID is gonna be. So 895 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: this is where I think you guys are gonna have 896 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: to put in your creative chalk on the finger scouting 897 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: stuff and help us out to see how you how 898 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 1: how the scholars canna be able to find some talent 899 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: that normally idea you know, it's gonna be hiding under 900 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: the rug. It's a good point. And Buck, we were 901 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: talking about this earlier, but I mean, uh, you have 902 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: one of the top basketball recruits in the country that 903 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: goes to Howard and I think we're gonna see that 904 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: carry over to football here, I really do. And it's 905 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna hopefully kind of reinvigorate some of these 906 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: programs who have put so many, you know, great Hall 907 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: of Fame level players in the National Football League to 908 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of to get them rolling again. I think that's coming. 909 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: Actually actually have some some confidence that we're going to 910 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: see that turn around. I hope you're right. I think 911 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: football is a little different, um from basketball, in terms 912 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: of the impact that one individual can make and in 913 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: terms of the reliance on facilities and television, and that's 914 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: the the thing. So I hope you're right, Um, And 915 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: you can play, they find you, Jim, Like, if you 916 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: can play, they're going to find you. That's why, like 917 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: some of the some of these kids though, even when 918 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about why I should go to Alabama or 919 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: whether ahould go to Vanderbilt, Like, come on, man, if 920 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: you can play, you can play, You're gonna find you 921 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: go where you want to go to school. But here's 922 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: the reason. I'm sorry, Bucky, but here's the reason I 923 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: have paused on that. DJ Steve just mentioned. There was 924 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 1: only one HBCU player drafted last year. I think the 925 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: year before they were only three or four. So you 926 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,439 Speaker 1: cannot tell me that there was not enough talent there 927 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: that only one, three or four players deserved to be 928 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: drafted over the last two years in the NFL. I 929 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: refused to accept that. So I think that I think 930 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: that scouts are going to have to be UM, No, 931 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think that that student athletes take that 932 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: into account and that's something that it's going to be overcome. 933 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: In basketball. Look, they're five players per team on the 934 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 1: on the court, one individual can make a huge difference, 935 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: especially when we're talking about if you're able to win 936 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: your conference and get to the tournament and you have 937 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: eyes and visibility on you there. Football is a little different. UM, 938 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: So I hope you're right. UM. I think it would 939 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: be tremended to something that I've talked about for a 940 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: long time. What would happen if these elite level five 941 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: star UM student athletes black decided to go to hbc 942 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: USE instead of UM wise and if they did game changer. 943 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Look, they give me any ethnicity, black, white, 944 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: Polonies or whatever. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this 945 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: about HBCUs And when it comes to it, like UM 946 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: coming out and coming up like typically what happens in 947 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: the recruiting world, HBCUs won't go after the four and 948 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: five star players because they don't believe that they have 949 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: a chance. And so UM, when we think about the 950 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: guys that go onto the National Football League. Typically, the 951 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: higher rated recruits in high school going to college are 952 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: also the ones that are in the pool when it 953 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: comes to the NFL, and so as pc us have 954 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: to feel like they can legitimate get them. Now. The 955 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: difference is um when other teams are recruiting, they have 956 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: facilities and money and things that they can throw at 957 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 1: recruits to show them this is where we're going. That 958 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: has been a challenge for some of our a p 959 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: c u s when it comes to being able to 960 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: have A one facilities and so they have to be 961 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: able to show them the stories that have made it, 962 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: the Darius Leonards, the Trek Cohen's, those guys, and it 963 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: can be done, but I think it's going to be 964 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,919 Speaker 1: a slow process. But I think it's going to come 965 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: from families wanting their kids to play in that environment 966 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: rather than the recruiting and everything else. It's the legacy 967 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: families that have to be the driving force of that 968 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: that change. But Buck, I want to hit you on 969 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: this because you you have have lived in that seven 970 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: on seven world and seeing that the growth in that space. 971 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: I know, and Jim talks about, you know, one player 972 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: in a basketball team, it's one of five you make 973 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: it as a team. But man, what what if what 974 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 1: if an HBC was able to get with a seven 975 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: on seven team, one you know that has a collection 976 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: of pen legit, big time players and pitch them on saying, hey, guys, 977 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: let's if you guys all come together, if we can 978 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: get you know, these are you know, seven, eight, nine, 979 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: four star level recruits and you guys come in as one. 980 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: Not only are we gonna win a whole lot of 981 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: football games, you guys are gonna continue to push each other. 982 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: It's gonna be good on good, You're gonna make each 983 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: other better, um, and then we can that. That to 984 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: me would be like the kick start. It's not gonna 985 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 1: be one recruit like you would get in basketball. You 986 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 1: would need a collection of guys to kind of band 987 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: together and say we're gonna do it. And I would say, 988 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: the team that has the opportunity to legitimately do it, 989 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: I would say would be someone And I don't want 990 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful to any HBCU, but I would say, 991 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,160 Speaker 1: like a brand name, meaning a name that transcends um 992 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: the world in his more mainstream. So when we talk 993 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: about Howard in the momentum that Howard has Howard would 994 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: have that opportunity. We've seen it in basketball. We've seen 995 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: their coach, Larry Scott began to try and make in 996 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: roads to be a national recruiting power. Grambling Southern those schools, 997 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,280 Speaker 1: because they play on a national stage with the Bayou Classic, 998 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: they would have an opportunity. And if they begin to 999 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 1: jump up and kickstart and begin to get some of 1000 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: these prominent recruits and win games because they're gonna have 1001 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 1: to knock off um a traditional team, that will be 1002 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: the beginning of it. But look, it's a long road 1003 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: to hope. But it has to be the families one 1004 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 1: of their kids to play, their coaches continue to recruit 1005 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: those players, and at some point they find a middle ground. 1006 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: And you know, Bucky that I think the legacy family part, 1007 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, j. The legacy family part is huge. Right 1008 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: when I was in high school getting recruited back outside 1009 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: of St. Louis, my mother's always like, what about Grambling, 1010 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm getting let you know, from you know, uh, 1011 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: Missouri and Kansas State places like that. She said, what 1012 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: about grambling each other? And I was like, I have 1013 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: not heard from any of them. Okay, So the recruiting 1014 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: budgets even today are so small. So even getting in 1015 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: on a seven on seven level, if you're a Greensboro, 1016 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: North Carolina like n C A and T or if 1017 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: you're in you know, Jackson, Mississippi, you know that that's 1018 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: you know that they don't have the budget and the 1019 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: way that you know, a lot of HBCUs appropriate money 1020 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: for their athletics, they appropriate department. Why it's hard to 1021 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: earmark funds for specific sport for a lot of these 1022 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: hbc us, there's a lot of things to overcome. But 1023 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm with you, g J. If they can get in 1024 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: on some of these seven on seven levels, and if 1025 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: coaches could stay at programs long enough to establish relationships 1026 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: with high school coaches, that's another thing that happens. The 1027 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: churned through head coaches at hbc us is constant, so 1028 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: it's very very hard for them to establish these relationships, 1029 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: to establish pipelines to those universities. Wow, this has been fun. 1030 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: I've kept you guys, probably twenty minutes longer than I 1031 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: was supposed to. Um, but you know, Bucky and iited 1032 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: love just love hanging out with you. This is what 1033 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: it feels like like, this is our kind of green 1034 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,360 Speaker 1: room conversation that we have. We're just having it on 1035 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: our podcast, and you guys are gonna get the opportunity 1036 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: to have it on yours. It's called Huddle and Flow. 1037 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: It's currently available on Apple Podcasts and on Spotify. Do 1038 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: yourself a favor, subscribe to this right now. You're gonna 1039 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: love it because these are two of the not only 1040 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: two of the smarter men that we get a chance 1041 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,439 Speaker 1: to work with, but two of the best dudes as well. 1042 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 1: So you guys are gonna enjoy what they have coming up. 1043 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: That first episode. By the way, I guess I should 1044 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: say drop September eight, um, so you can find it 1045 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,879 Speaker 1: there anything buck before before we before we roll out 1046 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: of here. Now, I mean I'm looking forward to what 1047 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to, you guys having a platform to 1048 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,240 Speaker 1: not only utilize your voices, but to bring other people 1049 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: in so their voices can be heard. So I can't 1050 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 1: I can't wait September eight. I'm gonna be all on. 1051 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,319 Speaker 1: I'll make sure I download it. Appreciate you guys. It's 1052 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: gonna be hot that first one. Yeah, we have, it 1053 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: will be We've got We've got two guests. We've got 1054 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,360 Speaker 1: two guests coming on. We're gonna keep it real. And 1055 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,320 Speaker 1: before I go, just paying homage to a fellow Howard 1056 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: I uh, the late actor Chadwick Boseman. Well Conda forever. 1057 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 1: We're all heartbroken over this, uh and really appreciate you 1058 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: guys having us on to talk about this. Yeah, let down. 1059 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: Let me. Let me give some love to John Thompson 1060 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: to another DC level this morning. And he was. I 1061 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: was an hour during the time those Georgetown teams were 1062 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 1: going strong man and John was. He was not kind, 1063 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, to see a black man who was unapologetically 1064 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: black in a sporting world that was predominantly white at 1065 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: that level. UM. And the way that he loved on 1066 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: his players and tough love at times. UM. Those things 1067 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,880 Speaker 1: have an impact on young black band growing up. And 1068 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,319 Speaker 1: I can say, you know, me watching him just what 1069 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,680 Speaker 1: a special man. Those are my my three favorite teams. 1070 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm I guarantee you guys, I'm the only person on 1071 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,440 Speaker 1: planner of this Bucky knows I grew up. I was 1072 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: born in Fort Waynes I'm a lifelong Indiana basketball fan, 1073 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: but my Indiana was my team and my two other 1074 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,239 Speaker 1: favorite teams I love to watch growing up where Georgetown 1075 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: and you and LV like those were those were like 1076 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,759 Speaker 1: that was John Thompson, those teams, I mean that was 1077 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: I just remember thinking they were so big and sofas 1078 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: they had they had a feel like a NBA al 1079 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: NBA Center, just one after another after another after another, 1080 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: and then you had AI and all those those are 1081 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,920 Speaker 1: fun teams to watch man, Yes for sure. All right, 1082 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: Well again, can't get over fast enough, guys. Let's uh 1083 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 1: good news on the horizon here in one. Hopefully we 1084 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,360 Speaker 1: can things will improve on a lot of fronts. But 1085 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys so much. Best to luck with 1086 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 1: the new pod Buck. It was great to catch up 1087 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: with our buddies there and excited that they have a 1088 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,319 Speaker 1: new podcast there. Everybody can check out again Huddle and 1089 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: Flow Beyond the lookout for that first episode drops September eight. Um. 1090 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 1: All right, but we're almost done here. But I do 1091 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: want to give everybody little heads up on the next 1092 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: podcast we release. We're gonna have a conversation we have 1093 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: with our other buddy, Mike Math, general manager of the 1094 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders, about what kind of challenges he's had 1095 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: trying to evaluate his own roster as well as the 1096 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,840 Speaker 1: rosters around the league. Um with with the with the 1097 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 1: rules the way they are right now, and uh, just 1098 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: good overall, catch up with him. I want to give 1099 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 1: you just a little taste, a little taste of that 1100 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,800 Speaker 1: conversation right here, and you remember, you can catch the 1101 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: rest of this on our next episode. Here's a little 1102 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 1: a little bit of our conversation with Mike Mack. You know, Mike, 1103 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,160 Speaker 1: because it's such a different training camp and preseason abbreviated 1104 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 1: training camp no preseason games, how are you guys trying 1105 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 1: to determine who are the best fifty three fifty five 1106 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 1: guys on the team when you're really not able to 1107 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 1: see them in game like situations? And Buck, I think 1108 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: that's probably the best question in today's environment. And um, 1109 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: you know when you start talking about the generic conversation 1110 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,320 Speaker 1: of what do preseason games really mean for NFL teams 1111 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,080 Speaker 1: and you know, d need four and and what we're 1112 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: feeling right now and what all the people around the 1113 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 1: LAG that I'm talking with. Our feeling right now is 1114 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,480 Speaker 1: it's not just about the rookies and the college free agents. 1115 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: It's about some of those first and second year guys 1116 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 1: that you've tried to develop within your building that haven't 1117 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: had the benefit now of an off season, and you're 1118 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,359 Speaker 1: hoping you're about to take a step forward, and you 1119 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,560 Speaker 1: can't watch him cover a kick off or a punt. 1120 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: And I've got this thing in my head I always 1121 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,160 Speaker 1: call the go no GHO syndrome. Some guys are go 1122 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: guys when you covered off. There's a certain point where 1123 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 1: inside you're either going not going yes, okay, and we 1124 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 1: want go guys. And it's harder to figure out go 1125 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,000 Speaker 1: guys unless you're willing to replicate that out in the 1126 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,880 Speaker 1: practice field. And I think one of the things that 1127 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,760 Speaker 1: coach Gruden has been great with over the last week 1128 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,759 Speaker 1: is just a conversation with me about what do you 1129 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: need to see? Who do you need to see? How 1130 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: can we put them in situations so we can evaluate 1131 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 1: them better. And I think John and the coaching staff 1132 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: have been awesome just trying to orchestrate situations so we 1133 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: can evaluate I just want to give everybody a little 1134 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: taste there, Buck, So you're gonna everybody's gonna enjoy that 1135 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 1: conversation on the next episode. But and then you want 1136 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: to add hair Buck before we get out of here. 1137 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: I know we've got to uh we gotta do some 1138 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,839 Speaker 1: business here real quick. Almost forgot. Make sure you check 1139 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,200 Speaker 1: out the Hard Knocks podcast hosted by every Buddy Peter Schreeger. 1140 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 1: Also a new episode of Hard Knocks. The TV show 1141 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: airs every Tuesday at ten pm Eastern on HBO. And 1142 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: I want to remind everybody inspired by ongoing conversation with players, 1143 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: the NFL has launched the NFL Votes to empower and 1144 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 1: improve our communities through exercise and the right to vote. 1145 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 1: Join the NFL family by registering to vote today and 1146 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 1: make your voice heard this November. Visit NFL dot com 1147 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 1: slash votes to learn more. Almost forgot, but almost forgot. 1148 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,440 Speaker 1: That's all right, That's all right now. Fascinating discussion along podcast, 1149 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: but a great podcast, very very meaty. I'm just looking 1150 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: forward DJ as we getting down the road. Teams are 1151 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: now transitioning more to their regular season practice schedule. We 1152 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: haven't had an opportunity to really see much of what's 1153 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 1: going on, but the anticipation of the regular season is 1154 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: killing me. Man. I'm so excited for this season and 1155 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 1: see what everything looks like. Because you haven't been exposed 1156 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,680 Speaker 1: to any pre season games or anything, gets all brand new. 1157 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 1: Would be exciting to see it. I cannot wait. It 1158 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,120 Speaker 1: is almost here. Uh, and we're gonna have all your 1159 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 1: needs covered right here on moving sticks. I want to 1160 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening. Encourage you to 1161 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 1: go on Apple Podcasts. If you haven't already, leave us 1162 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: a rating and review. We do appreciate those. We're still 1163 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: taking submissions there. Give us the best high school football 1164 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: player you've ever seen in the in the review, and 1165 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna compile those. See if we come up with 1166 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 1: some interesting tape we can find on a lot of 1167 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: these players. All Right, that's gonna do it. We'll see 1168 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 1: you next time right here on moving sticks.