1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in history class from how 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, welcome to the podcast and 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: I've traded and UH. Today we will be covering another 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: mentally ill royal because listeners love them so much, and 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: this one is from a country we haven't talked about 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: them a lot, which is Sweden, and it actually people 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: will probably notice some parallels between this story and UH 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the podcast we covered on Korea's Prince Sotto. There are 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: some similar themes that run father issues madness slowly developing. 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: This one is not quite as creatively gruesome, however, which 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: is a nice little break perhaps. And we're gonna actually 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: build this one up kind of in layers, so we're 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: not going to go chronologically. We're gonna cover various aspects 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: of this person's life categorically, So we'll talk a little 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: bit about the family and how they came into power. 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: We'll talk about out, you know, his romantic interests, will 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: talk about his political kind of each and chunks, and 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: then his sort of mental state and how it broke 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: down throughout all of this. So many of these things 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: were going on simultaneously and will connect the dots where 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: we can, but they're just each such big chunks of 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: his life that I wanted to kind of give them 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: each their own time in the spotlight. And so the 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: person we're talking about today is Eric the fourteenth of Sweden, 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: and he was not the only member of his family 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: to succumb to madness, but because he sat on the 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: ruling throne, his mental issues were in sharp focus during 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: his reign. So first we actually have to talk about 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: his father. His father was Gustave First. Gustav was crowned 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: king of Sweden in three and similarly to the story 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: of Korea's crown Prince Sato, Eric's father was also a 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: man who was admired for his leadership skills, but also 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: had kind of a darkness about him. Modern historians have 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: suspected that he may have had some degree of mental 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: illness as well. Yeah, he, again, very similar to the 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: Sado story, was very quick to anger. His rage could 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: result in very violent behavior. There are stories of him 38 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: tearing his daughter's hair out when she angered him, like 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: he grabbed her by the hair so hard he pulled 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: out the hair by the roots. Um he beat a 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: goldsmith to death for taking a day off without being 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: granted leave, like he hadn't asked for the time off, 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: and he would occasionally chase people around the castle with 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: knives just for annoying him, and that particular behavior will 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of echo again later in his son in kind 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: of even a creepier way. Probably the most important legacy 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: of Gustav was his leadership of the rebellion against King 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: Christian the Second in the Swedish War of Liberation. So 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: before this war, Sweden and Mark and Norway were all 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: part of the dynastic Union of Kalmar. Gustav, who had 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: been a nobleman but not a royal, was chosen to 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: rule the newly liberated country, and that whole story, you know, 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: the liberation of Sweden could certainly be another topic on 54 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: its own. So we're not getting into all of the 55 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: politics of that. We just want to establish that Gustav 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: was a leader in this rebellion and kind of a 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: very revered leader. Uh. And then ten years into Gustav's reign, 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: Prince Eric was born, and that was on December thirteenth, 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: fifteen thirty three, and he was born in the Royal 60 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: castle in Stockholm. His mother was Katherine of Saxe Lauenberg, 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: and Catherine actually died when Eric was still quite tiny. 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: He was not even two years old, and as his 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: parents marriage was not a particularly happy one, Gustav really 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: was not all that broken up over the death of 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: his wife, and he soon took a second wife, Margaretta Landhuvoud, 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: which I may or may not have butchered, and that 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: she would actually end up being his second of three. 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: But we won't get into all of his his multiple wives. 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: But basically Eric grew up never really knowing his mother. 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: So as Eric came into his own his father granted 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: him the title of duke, and he was basically the 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: sixteenth century equivalent of the modern prep school superstar. He 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: was extremely attractive, athletic, and bright. He also ran with 74 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: a group of friends who liked a party, and he 75 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: developed a drinking habit pretty early on. His father did 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: not approve of all of this behavior and how prone 77 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: he was to just a lot of excess. Yeah, he 78 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: really was kind of your um, like you said, classic 79 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: spoiled rich kid. He could do whatever he wanted, and 80 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: so he did. This is when somebody is going to 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: just diagnose him with affluenza of his terrible behavior later, 82 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: I hope not that word troubles me me too. Uh. 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: But Eric eventually became king on September twenty nine, fifteen sixty, 84 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: when Gustav died, and this was just before Eric turned 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: twenty seven, so uh, he was kind of living the 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: playboy life at this point. Although he had served as 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: regent once before from fifteen fifty five to fifteen fifty 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: six while his father was away on a military campaign 89 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: in Russia. Uh, And he had already been ruling a 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: handful of provinces in his title as duke. But this 91 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: augmentation of his power once he ascended the throne kind 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: of played with his head a bit and probably brought 93 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: into focus some issues that had been existing but not 94 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: as obvious and not as disconcerting. So this same hedonism 95 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: that Eric had really embraced when he was a duke 96 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: rolled right over into his reign as a king, and 97 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: that started with his coronation. His ceremony was this huge 98 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: lavish display. He immediately redecorated the castle with all kinds 99 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: of lavish tapestries and furnishings, and he wanted everybody to 100 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: call him majesty and he was the first ruler in 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: Sweden to do so. Yeah, he added a lot of 102 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: titles to the Swedish lexicon that had not been there previously, 103 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: even though they are in the other royal lineage, Majesty 104 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: being one of them. Uh. And it's commonly believed by 105 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: most modern historians when they write about Eric that all 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: of the pomp and circumstance, his over indulgence in luxury, uh, 107 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, needing to have the most beautiful everything around him, 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: was really just a way for him to hide a 109 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: very deep seated insecurity and that sense of inferiority that 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: he seemed to really just kind of stew in came 111 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: from two primary sources. One was that his father, despite 112 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: having a temper, was a really loved king and he 113 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: was seen as a hero, so you can imagine the 114 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: difficulty of filling those shoes as the next in line 115 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: to the throne. And the second is that that line 116 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: to the throne was very short. This is not a 117 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: long family monarchy. Eric's family, the House of Vasa, was 118 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: in its infancy as rulers of the nation because Gustav 119 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: had taken over after you know, Sweden was liberated. So 120 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: Eric was constantly in fear of being ousted because he 121 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: felt like he was not part of an established royal lineage, 122 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: and this brought him to the point where he was 123 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: paranoid about just about everyone he came in contact with. 124 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: He suspected everyone was going to try to take power 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: from him. Perhaps the thing that he's most well known 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: for is a courtship of a long time podcast favorite tutor, 127 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the First. He was one of her uh 128 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: several failed suitors. His pursuit of her started before he 129 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: became king, and his father was opposed to the match. 130 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: You stop thought that England was not that important, and 131 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: he really didn't see the point of forging a big 132 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: alliance with them and knowing that he would one day 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: be crowned as King. Eric, on the other hand, really 134 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: wanted to solidify his power by making a strong marriage. 135 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: This actually becomes kind of funny later on when you 136 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: find out how his marriage life worked out. But at 137 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: the time, you know, in his eyes, what would be 138 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: more impressive than a union with his virgin queen who 139 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: had been Even though England was not at the time 140 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: this huge powerhouse, she was recognized as being sort of 141 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: a prize. She was unattainable, many people were courting her, uh, 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: so he thought it would be sort of a great 143 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: feather in his camp. And we'll talk more about his 144 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: motivation for seeking out her as a bride in just 145 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: a bit. But for her part, Elizabeth sort of ran 146 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: hot and cold with the Swedish prince. She wasn't particularly 147 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: taken with him. Uh, and we'll talk about that in 148 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: a moment when we read a letter from her. Uh. 149 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: You know, he had sent her portraits of himself, uh, 150 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: and he had sent his brother to work as his ambassador, 151 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: his love ambassador in Elizabeth's court, but she still wasn't 152 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: particularly romantically interested. However, she did recognize that her country 153 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: needed allies at the time, so it served her purposes 154 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: to keep things pretty cordial with Eric. And remember he 155 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: was also very handsome, so it wasn't like she was, 156 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, just leading on some poor man that had 157 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: no chance. She may have even been considering the match 158 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: at some point, but in the end that did not happen. No. Finally, 159 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: after Eric's brother presented Elizabeth with a proposal of marriage 160 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: in late fifteen fifty nine and early sixties, she responded 161 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: with the following letter, most serene Prince, our very dear 162 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: cousin a letter truly yours both in the writing and 163 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: sentiment was given us on thirty December by your very 164 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: dear brother, the Duke of Finland. And while we perceived 165 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: there from that the zeal and love of your mind 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: towards us is not diminished, yet in part we are 167 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: grieved that we cannot gratify your Serene Highness with the 168 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: same kind of affection, and that indeed does not happen 169 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: because we doubt in any way of your love and honor. 170 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: But as often we have testified in both words and writing, 171 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: that we have never yet conceived a feeling of that 172 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: kind of affection towards anyone. We therefore beg your Serene 173 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: Highness again and again that you be pleased to set 174 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: a limit to your love, that it advanced not beyond 175 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: the laws of friendship for the present, nor disregard them 176 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: in the future. And we, in our turn, shall take 177 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: care that whatever can be required for the holy preservation 178 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: of friendship between princes, we will always perform towards your 179 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Serene Highness. It seems strange for your Serene Highness to 180 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: write that you understand from your brother and your ambassadors 181 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: that we have entirely determined not to marry an absent 182 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: husband and that we shall give you no certain reply 183 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: until we have seen your person. We certainly think that 184 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: if God ever direct our hearts to consideration of marriage, 185 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: we shall never accept or choose any absent husband, how 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: powerful and well and wealthy a prince, soever, But that 187 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 1: we are not to give you an answer. And so 188 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: we have seen your person is so far from the 189 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: thing itself that we have never even considered such a thing. 190 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: But I have always given both to your brother, who 191 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: is certainly a most excellent prince and deservedly very dear 192 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: to us, and also to your ambassador, likewise the same answer, 193 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: with scarcely any variation of the words, that we do 194 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: not conceive in our heart to take a husband, but 195 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: highly commend this single life, and hope that your serene 196 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: Highness will no longer spend time in waiting for us. 197 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: Please stop bugging me. I think at that point he 198 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: had been so ardent and so aggressive in his pursuit, 199 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: even though he was not there in person, that she 200 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: had just kind of hit the wall. It was like, 201 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: we have to shut the prince down now. Uh. And 202 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: when Elizabeth had finally clearly so refused his proposal, Eric's 203 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: first thought was that he should go see her in person. Uh. 204 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: And he was actually planning this trip and amassing all 205 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: of his travel arrangements when his father's death and some 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: poor weather conditions kind of conspired to put an end 207 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: to that plan. Don't be creepy, Eric. Eventually he did 208 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: accept that Elizabeth was not going to be his bride, 209 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: although they did kind of seem like they could have 210 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: been a good match. They were both quick witted, well 211 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: educated Gingers with father who fathers who had great power. 212 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: He moved on to other marriage targets, at one point 213 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: proposing also to Mary, Queen of Scott's as well asked 214 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: to at least two other princesses. Yeah, and I read 215 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: one account and it wasn't really substantiated enough for me 216 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: to include it as a source. But that suggested that 217 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: people were getting winto the fact that he was at 218 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: that point just going were you married me? To various 219 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: princesses that he thought might make a good match. Uh. 220 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: And even though he bungled all of these royal marriage attempts, 221 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: we should point out that it was not as though 222 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: the prince was chased as a bachelor. He had three 223 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: daughters with his mistress Agda pars daughter Virginia who was 224 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: born in fifteen fifty nine, Constantina, which who was born 225 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: in fifteen sixty and Lucretia, who was born in fifteen 226 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: sixty four. Lucretia, however, died as a young child. She 227 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: did not make it to adulthood. Agda eventually lost her 228 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: position as a mistress when Eric fell in love with 229 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: Karen Man's daughter. He had a daughter named Sigrid with 230 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: Karen in fifteen sixty six and a son, Gustav in 231 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: July fifteen sixty eight. The day after Gustav was born, 232 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: Eric officially married Karen, and they had been secretly married 233 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: for almost a year at that point. Yeah, that was 234 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: just their public marriage. Uh. And as you might imagine, 235 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: this choice of wife was a little bit of a problem. 236 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: Karen was not of noble birth. Her father had been 237 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: a soldier and then a jailer, and her mother was 238 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: a peasant. So, after all of his efforts to make 239 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: a good match with a royal family and gave an ally, 240 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: in the end he married a woman who had absolutely 241 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: no political power whatsoever. Um. And not only did this 242 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: marriage snub all of the high born people who would 243 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: have gladly married one of their relatives to the king. 244 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: This also um played into Eric's inferiority complex. He got 245 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: to this point where he constantly suspected people were making 246 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: fun of him and his queen behind their backs. And 247 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: again this is overlaid with his other things going on. 248 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: So when that was happening, there were other political events 249 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: taking place as well, and we will get to those 250 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: in just a moment. But do you want to take 251 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, So getting back to King Eric, 252 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: So that kind of were the entirety of his romantic life, 253 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: soup to nuts. But now we're going to kind of 254 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: go back in time and talk about him sort of 255 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: as a leader in what his goals were and overlay 256 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: that over those other things that were happening. Because he 257 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: started out a pretty focused and ambitious king, his decisions 258 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: were often driven by his paranoia, but he really had 259 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: some good ideas. Initially. One of the first moves Eric 260 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: made as a monarch was the passage of the Articles 261 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: of of our Boga in fifteen sixty one, by calling 262 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: a Reichstag, which is a legislative assembly, to meet at 263 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: our Boga to approve the adoption of the articles. These 264 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,479 Speaker 1: articles once they were put in place, basically annulled provisions 265 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: that had been set by Gustav the first and they 266 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: severely limited the power of royal Dukes John and Charles, 267 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: who were Eric's brothers by his father's second wife. Yeah 268 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: that he really wanted to take away power from his 269 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: brother's immediately because he was paranoid about them, whereas Gustav 270 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: had tried to set them up and say like, no, no, 271 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: they will be almost here equal even though they not 272 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: be king. That was maybe not one of his best plans, however. Uh. 273 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: He also established the baron and count titles into the 274 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Swedish nobility, so similar to demanding that people call him majesty. 275 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: He also added some other uh royal levels on the 276 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: ladder UH, and he introduced a new constitution to Sweden. 277 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: He also organized a pellet courts and a Supreme Court, 278 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: and he created a refuge for people that were fleeing 279 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: the Inquisition in other countries. So UH he was trying 280 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: to do some good stuff. He was also constantly trying 281 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: to curtail the power and pretend potential for anyone to 282 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: overthrow him, while at the same time granting favors to 283 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: and building the stature of the people he felt would 284 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: be loyal to him, even though many of those people 285 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: were not of noble or royal birth. And one of 286 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: those men you're in Pearson became Eric's most trusted adviser, 287 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: and Pearson was apparently smart as a whip, but not 288 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: really a pillar of morality. When you hear him or 289 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: when you read about him in historical texts, he's really 290 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: described as pretty snaky h and many members of the 291 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: court really felt that he had way too much sway 292 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: over the king. One of Eric's primary strategic goals as 293 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: ruler was to build up Sweden's power in the Baltic 294 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: Sea in order to free trade through those waters from 295 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: the control of the Danes. One of the reasons he 296 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: had been so keen on marrying Elizabeth the First was 297 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: to help bolster this plan with an ally in Western Europe. 298 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: So as the union with the Tutor Queen and the 299 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: other ladies he had proposed to uh shortly thereafter had 300 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: not panned out to form you know, this alliance that 301 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: he thought might help this plan, he decided instead that 302 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: he was just going to start taking over as much 303 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: of the Baltic coast as he could by force. His 304 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: keen desire to expand his power was the complete opposite 305 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: of his father, who really valued peace over expansion and 306 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: had worked a lot to stabilize all of his relationships 307 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: with the surrounding nations. And inteen sixty two, Eric's brother John, 308 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: who was the Duke of Finland, had entered into a 309 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: treaty with the King of Poland and he married the 310 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Polish King's daughter, and this was a problem. It was 311 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: a huge slap in the face to Eric, who opposed 312 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: the union and the power it was going to bring 313 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: to John, because you remember, he was paranoid and no 314 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: one else should be getting any more power. So he 315 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: decided that he would have his brother and sister in 316 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: law imprisoned. Nice one. Yeah. In fifteen sixty three, after 317 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: tensions had been rising for some time, the Seven Years 318 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: War of the North began when the King of Denmark 319 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: and Norway, Frederick the Second, joined forces with Poland and 320 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Luebeck and declared war on Sweden in retaliation for Eric's 321 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: land grab in Estonia. And this war actually went pretty 322 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: well for the Swedish forces at sea, but the land 323 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: battles were a completely different story. Villages and towns were 324 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: badly damaged. Civilians were often killed or brutalized during battles, 325 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: and the horrific reality that Eric's subjects were being him 326 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: constantly in fear that some battle was going to break 327 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: out was in stark contrast to the life that he 328 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: was living, because even though he was catalyzing all of 329 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: these these military ventures, he rarely actually went out onto 330 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: the field of battle. He would kind of relay commands 331 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: from the safety of his castle, where he was often 332 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: hanging out with his friends. Throughout all the awkward courtships 333 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: and the political maneuvering, Eric's mental state had been slowly 334 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: eroding away as the pressure of his position and his 335 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: constant fear of losing it really started to take their toll. 336 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: As the Seven Years War dragged on, it chipped away 337 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: at the king, even though he remained as removed from 338 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: it as possible, and it started to reveal what many 339 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: have suspected to be schizophrenia. He began to have fits 340 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: of rage that were similar to those of his father, 341 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: and they would happen for progressively more minor infractions. Things 342 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: actually got to a point in the cast while we're 343 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: coughing or clearing your throat would get you accused of treason, 344 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: basically like don't breathe weird. Literally, he would be suspicious, 345 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: like what did you just do? Uh. Servants would be 346 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: put to death just for annoying the king if they 347 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: made too much noise. There's one story where he thought 348 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: that um any of the like footman or anyone that 349 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: dressed too nice, that looked to put together, was there 350 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: to steal all the women. Like He really just became 351 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: paranoid and assumed intentions on people's parts that were not 352 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: even there. And then, similar to how his father would 353 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: walk around chasing people with knives throughout the castle that 354 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: he thought wrong him, Eric instead just started trawling the 355 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: hallways with his sword drawn in this sort of maddened 356 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: vigilance where he was on the lookout for people that 357 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: he thought might betray him. So basically just walking around 358 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: with a sword in his hand, and anyone he came 359 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: in contact with he would look them over to see 360 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: if he thought they had ill intentions towards him, and 361 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: they may very well be stabbed. Finally, an incident involving 362 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: the Stura family was a turning point for Eric. Stea 363 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: family members had governed Sweden in the time before Eric's 364 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: father Gustav led the Liberation uprising and Eric was convinced 365 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: that they were plotting to overthrow him. And there had 366 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: been arguments and fears about the studios before, but this 367 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: time his paranoia became so great that to counter this 368 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: threat that he perceived, Eric had Niels and svant Studa, 369 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: who were father and son, imprisoned in Uppsala Castle. And 370 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: before we get to this next part of the story, 371 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: uh where things get quite violent, will stop and have 372 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: a quick ad break. On May sixty seven, Eric went 373 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: to visit the Stearis on the false premise that he 374 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: wanted to reach a point of reconciliation, but instead of 375 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: talking King through all of his issues with them, Eric 376 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: stabbed one of them to death. He fled the scene 377 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: and commanded the guards at Upsala to kill all the prisoners. 378 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: Eric laylow for several days after the incident, and in 379 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: what was likely a remorseful move, paid for lavish funerals 380 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: for the slain Stewardess and you're in Pearson, who he 381 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Eric's most trusted adviser and kind of universally 382 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: recognized as a weasel, was actually arrested in the incident, 383 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: and he was removed from the office that the king 384 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: had given him, and the King, for his part, retreated 385 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: to a castle outside of Stockholm, and he stopped doing 386 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: any sort of governing and fell into a very deep depression. 387 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: For six months, a council ruled in eric Stead, and 388 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: after that time Eric returned to Stockholm, ready once again 389 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: to rule Sweden. His first act was to reinstate your 390 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: in person as his closest adviser. It's also the period 391 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: during which Eric was romantically in oolved with Karen Man's daughter, 392 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: and the aristocracy saw his preference for lower born confidence 393 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: as troubling, and because this preference uh for the lower 394 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: classes was also coupled with the full manifestation of his 395 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: mental illness, it was very easy for people to conflate 396 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: the two issues as sort of one big problem. And 397 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: part of the problem was that when Eric would fall 398 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: into a particularly dark mental state, or sometimes even become 399 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: disoriented or confused, he would retreat and he would let 400 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: his adviser, Urn Pearson and his queen, who you know, 401 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: had been a peasant birth rule on his behalf. And 402 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: these lower class people giving orders really nod at the 403 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: nobility and the aristocracy in the court. The brother Duke 404 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: John that Eric had imprisoned, was liberated in fifteen sixty 405 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: seven after more than four years as a captive. John 406 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: and his brother Charles joined forces against their clearly incapacitated brother, 407 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: and together they successfully took Stockholm and Eric abdicated his 408 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: his crown upon surrender to his half brothers and Eric 409 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: and his family UH because at this point he was 410 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: with Karen, were imprisoned together for several years, and he 411 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: and Karen actually had two more sons while they were 412 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: held in custody. But eventually the ousted king was separated 413 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: from his wife and children. Eric's half brother was crowned 414 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: King John the Third after Eric was removed from power. 415 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: You're in person was then put to death, and Eric 416 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: died on February fifteen, seventy seven. And while the public 417 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: announcement at the time said that the former king had 418 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: died after a long illness, his remains were actually examined 419 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: UH in the recent past in the nineteen fifties, and 420 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: the findings confirmed a suspicion that had been held for 421 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: a long time. Eric had actually died of poisoning with 422 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: arsenic Karen the peasant who rose to the position of 423 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: queen only to fall again, lived another thirty five years 424 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: after Eric died on land that she was granted after 425 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: his death. Yeah, even though he was ousted, they did 426 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: provide a pension and land for her to raise their 427 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: family and live out her life and she did. Uh. 428 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: But Eric, at that point, they they just wanted to 429 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: move on and not think about him very much anymore. 430 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: And it is, uh, you know, one of those cases 431 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: of youth so full of promise that kind of all 432 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: fell apart. And he, as I said at the top 433 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: of the podcast, not the only person with mental illness 434 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: in his family. He had another half brother h. I 435 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: believe his name was Magnus, that was schizophrenic. His son Gustav, 436 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: that was named after his father, exhibited the same problems 437 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: that Eric had had. And I don't he never had 438 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: a family, so clearly there's something in the bloodline. Uh. 439 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Again another sad royal as as I predicted. We we 440 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: did get some angry letters from people, uh after we 441 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: talked about Crown Prince Otto, who were kind of angry 442 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: that we seem to be sympathizing with someone who had 443 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: committed so many terrible atrocities. But in a lot of ways, 444 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: it's the same story of those atrocities may have been 445 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: prevented had there been any kind of of mental health 446 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: diagnosis and treatment in an appropriate way and they were living. 447 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Certainly would not ever want to diminish the loss of life, uh, 448 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: of anyone, And certainly in both of these stories, you know, 449 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: this sort of callous disregard for people, uh, you know, 450 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: for doing nothing more than coughing at the wrong time, 451 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: you could be killed. Of course that is horrible tragedy, 452 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: but it is also tragic that people suffer with mental 453 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: illness that has never treated. Just two different kinds of tragedies. 454 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not uh keep saying, you know, oh, no, 455 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: poor guy, I mean, yes, poor guy that he was suffering. 456 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: Also horrible guy stopped doing that. So so, um, that's 457 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: the scoop on Eric the fourteenth of Sweden. Hopefully we'll 458 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: do more street pieces around Sweden and Denmark and Norway 459 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: and all of that area, because they haven't gotten a 460 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: lot of play on the podcast historically. Um. If you 461 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: also have some whistener mail for us, I do. This 462 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: is from our listener, Chelsea, and it is about our 463 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: footbinding episode. She says, Hello, thank you for the recent 464 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: podcast on footbinding. I studied East Asian culture and language 465 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: in college, and this was always a topic that interested 466 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: me on a number of levels. I was surprised that 467 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: you didn't bring up the end of the dynastic era 468 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: and the beginning of the Republic of China as the 469 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 1: end of the practice. Though clearly a practice so entrenched 470 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: in the customs of the population and permanently evidenced in 471 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: the feet of every woman, is not simply ended in 472 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: a day, so one cannot point to a single catalyzing event. 473 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: In my history classes, we were taught a heavier influence 474 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: of the Republican forces on the end of footbinding. The 475 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: fall of the Shan dynasty also brought swift rejection of 476 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: anything that was tied to the quote old ways. Many 477 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: people view mau Zdong and the rise of the communist 478 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: regime as the primary driver of modernization and rejection of 479 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: traditional practices, but the wind started blowing that way in 480 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven. The Cultural Revolution certainly codified and violently enforced 481 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: this change in views, but the fall of the Shan 482 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: dynasty was the major divining point for the social and 483 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: cultural norm of foot finding. Thank you for an interesting, 484 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: a thought provoking podcast. I didn't talk a whole lot 485 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: about the politics of it because I really wanted to 486 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: focus on the culture. And truthfully, I um probably would 487 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: not have put it so eloquently as Chelsea did and cleanly. 488 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: I would have ended up going uner cue at his 489 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: root and being like, well, there was all said. Well, 490 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: And I've also had the Cultural Revolution on my Like 491 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: Ideas wish list for episodes much since we came onto 492 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: the podcast, and it's just so enormous. That's the thing 493 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: I have that moment of I can never include all 494 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: of the its. It's so enormous and there are so 495 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: many factors and how it came about and the you know, 496 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: what it influenced, and the effects that it had. That 497 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 1: attempting to mention it in the context of another thing 498 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: the sort of opens up this giant can of worms 499 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: and then it becomes a sick part podcast. Yeah, it's 500 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: not always a good thing. I still have the Cup 501 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: for Revolution on the wish list is very very big, yeah, 502 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: and it's it's such good stuff to talk about and 503 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: it's such a rich, uh sort of kettle of information, 504 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: but it is hard to break it down into digestible pieces. 505 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: But again, Chelsea put it very um cleanly and succinctly 506 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: in a way that I would not have Thank you, Chelsea. UH. 507 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: If you would like to write to us, you can 508 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: do so at History Podcasts at Discovery dot com. 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