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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In This is episode number three,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, we're tackling listener questions on

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Speaker 1: topics ranging from how to kill late season deer, to

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Speaker 1: identifying the most attractive food sources throughout the year, to

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Speaker 1: how to recover from missing a deer, and much much more.

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Speaker 1: Today we're doing a good old fashioned Mark and Dan

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Speaker 1: Q and A podcast. We're We're in December now, we've

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Speaker 1: been hunting for a few months. Lots of people have

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Speaker 1: been out there, lots of emails, lots of Facebook messages,

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Speaker 1: lots of tweets and Instagram notes, people asking what about this?

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Speaker 1: How should I do this? What would you do in

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Speaker 1: this situation? What do you think about? You know, my

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Speaker 1: to screw it up. We've gotten so many notes like this,

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Speaker 1: I figured we need to do a Q and A

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Speaker 1: where we answer some of these. So I submitted kind

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Speaker 1: of a request out to you the people, and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you got any more last minute questions, you want

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Speaker 1: answered send them in and I got I don't know, hundreds,

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Speaker 1: probably of these. So that's the game plan for today. Uh, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you and me are going to do our best answer

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Speaker 1: as many of these questions as we can, almost rapid

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Speaker 1: fire style, so we can get to as many as possible. Um.

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Speaker 1: Stuff related to late season hunting, which is what's happening

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Speaker 1: right now, stuff related to just general hunting experience, tactics,

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Speaker 1: mental things, some funny stuff kind of across the board.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, do you have your Q and a cap on? Dan?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to tackle the tough questions? Yes? Um,

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Speaker 1: but it's quite on yet that I have. I have

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Speaker 1: it on right after I take off my I have

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Speaker 1: some questions about your book. This is this is I

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Speaker 1: have questions about your book hat that you're wearing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this is to have questions about your book hat.

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Speaker 1: So so while you said while you you know you

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Speaker 1: send send me some questions that you have. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: funny thing is screenshots when people are searching for for

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Speaker 1: that Wild Country. Um there come there's I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it is, and you're gonna you might have some

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Speaker 1: explaining to do because I haven't really opened the book yet,

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Speaker 1: uh and and sat down and read it. You've talked

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Speaker 1: that I didn't know about. I know where this is going.

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Speaker 1: I know you do. Um. So so when people, uh

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Speaker 1: search for your book, there is the readers also looked

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Speaker 1: at these books or Yeah. So if you go on

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Speaker 1: Amazon and you search for that Wild Country, it shows

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Speaker 1: you other books that people bought that looked at your book.

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Speaker 1: Every yeah, absolutely absolutely. So let me just one kind

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Speaker 1: the book. It's called Country Boys. That sounds relevant. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think, hey, uh, it's about these hard working

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Speaker 1: me just quickly read the paragraph that describes this book

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Speaker 1: and all the other books that are related to that

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Speaker 1: Wild Country something something about the country brings out the

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Speaker 1: a special breed. These tobacco chewing, cattle, rope and icons

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Speaker 1: and temptingly baggy overalls worst in tight wranglers, ranked with

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Speaker 1: there's you know, there's uh, there's that one, and then

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Speaker 1: my god, I started getting some messages like two, that's

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Speaker 1: some pretty funny stuff. I can't explain the Country Boys

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Speaker 1: so they probably like romance books and they just so

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Speaker 1: writing these sensual love novels that take place on public land.

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Speaker 1: When I get what you're saying, there might be I'd

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Speaker 1: doesn't work out. I'm already envisioning the cover. You know

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Speaker 1: the cover of one of these books. Right, You're like,

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Speaker 1: accidentally buy Country Boys, though it's a very differmpletely different book. Warning,

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Speaker 1: completely different books. Oh my gosh, that is awesome in

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Speaker 1: all seriousness, thank you for teeing off the conversation about

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Speaker 1: version is out there, Dan, So if you want to

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Speaker 1: listen to it, that is now available on audible or

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Speaker 1: wherever else you want to get your audio books. And

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Speaker 1: can do that while I'm multitasking. Exactly. Listen to it

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Speaker 1: And I go through all that information tell that story

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Speaker 1: through a series of my own adventures. So I write

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Speaker 1: about a backpacking trip in Yellowstone National Park with my wife.

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Speaker 1: whole lot more. Um, it's my heart and soul. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but put yourself in a position because they're not taking

429
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: any they're not taking wide angles, they're not taking the

430
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: long way around there. Pretty much this time of year,

431
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: as the rut is winding down, they're going from point

432
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: A to point B, and they're back to a pattern.

433
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: And I think deep snow really puts them on a

434
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: railroad track back and forth. You can learn a lot

435
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: with that snow on the ground. The other thing I

436
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: would say is just thinking about how a heavy snow

437
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: event will stop and start deer movement. So what I've

438
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: seen is that during that big snow event, movement might

439
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: slow down. You know, if it's a blizzard, if you've

440
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: got a mega snow, just like if you've got a

441
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: huge rain storm coming through, oftentimes that will slow things

442
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: down during the worst of it. But very soon after

443
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: that big snow, after everything's been bedded down for a

444
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: day or two, now, all of a sudden, it's you know,

445
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: it's time to get the feedbag on. It's time to

446
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: get out there and feeding, and especially if you know,

447
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: you got really cold temperatures that typically follow something like

448
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: that in the high pressure system, probably following a storm

449
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: like that, those deer are gonna get on their feet

450
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: in a big way. So if I've got a big

451
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: snowstorm pushed through, as soon as that storm passes and

452
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: you've got that bluebird high pressure cold day and now

453
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: all that fresh snow on the ground, I'm hitting it hard.

454
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: Right after that, I'm gonna go in and hunt a

455
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: better spot um, especially during the late season. You know,

456
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: at this time of year, these bucks have been hunted

457
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: like crazy for two or three months. So I usually

458
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: get more conservative. I'm switching away from my rut tactics,

459
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: which were hunt hunt hunt, hunt, hunt, go, go, go, go,

460
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: go all day as much as possible. Now I'm back

461
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: to a more conservative approach where I'm just hunting evenings usually,

462
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: and I'm being much more selective about the days I hunt,

463
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: waiting for either a weather event like this to really

464
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: get deer on their feet, or some kind of intel

465
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: to tell me that the deer or mature became after

466
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: is is moving. So you know a bunch of snow

467
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: like that would usually for maybe a green light, it's

468
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: go time. And take advantage of trail cameras and situations

469
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: like that if you have them. Because you know, I

470
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: mentioned that the trail that these deer are using, and

471
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: from my experience, they're using them a lot. Get a

472
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: trail camera on that trail, and even if they're coming

473
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: through after shooting hours, you might be able to use

474
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: that data from the trail camera to sneak in further

475
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: into the timber or further or closer to a betting area.

476
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: And may we even catch them coming back on a

477
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: morning hunt. Yeah. Another thing to think about snow too

478
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: as you as you're talking about the scouting benefits of it,

479
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: it also makes it a lot easier to see so

480
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: observation type situations where you're maybe you don't know exactly

481
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: where to go yet, but you can set up in

482
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: an observation stand with a view and when there's all

483
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: that snow on the ground, you'll be able to see

484
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: much further. You'll be able to see where that deer

485
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: is passing through. And and so watch a time or

486
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: two or we're moving and hanging camera and then sit

487
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: back and watch other spots and then see what the

488
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: intel tells you, then take your strike. Um, It's it's

489
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: back to that. We we talked about these calculated strikes

490
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: a lot during the early season of the late season,

491
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: and and that that's where my mind is shifted right now.

492
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: Along those same lines. We've got another question here from H. G.

493
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: A something or other and he just asked, you know,

494
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: do you give up all day sits in December or

495
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: is there still midday action? Um? I personally I kind

496
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: of alluded to this already, but I personally switch mostly

497
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: to just afternoon hunts now. Um that you couldn't do

498
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: morning hunts, but you just better have a good route

499
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: in and a good way out. Um. But usually you're

500
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: gonna get a longer period of movement in the afternoons

501
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: during the late season, and it's just easier to get

502
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: in there. Um. So that's what I'm usually doing because

503
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: it's it's the stakes are higher now because these deer

504
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: have been hunted and hunted and hunted. They just they're

505
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: even more unwilling to deal with hunting pressure than they

506
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: were a month or two ago. So I'm just trying

507
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: to be as careful as possible. At this point, I'm

508
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: much more calculated. Um, that makes sense to you? Do? Yeah,

509
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not hunting all day anyway, but I'm

510
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: sure as hell not sitting all day late season. New

511
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: question from my question. Do toe warmers work in Alpha

512
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: Burly Pros or similar rubber boots? Um? Or are the

513
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: oxygen starved and don't work? Um? I'll tell you that

514
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: I've used toe warmers in my rubber boots and they

515
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: seem to work pretty decent. I'm not saying they are perfect.

516
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't sometimes cool down button general

517
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: on those super duper cold days when you know, I'm

518
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: talking like when we had those single digit days or

519
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: near zero in early November, Dan, I think you had

520
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: some days like that. That was the one time I

521
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: needed to bust out the toe warmers and they helped. Um. So, yes,

522
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: I usually don't need them, but every once in a

523
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: while I'll bust them out and I'm glad I did.

524
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: What do you think? So? I've completely changed my thought

525
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: process on boots this year, and it worked in my opinion.

526
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Last year, I rocked the Alpha really Pros all season long.

527
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: But there's something about I don't care what the brand is,

528
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: something about a big rubber boot, especially in cold conditions

529
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: where that rubber is it just freezes, right, It's gonna

530
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: turn into the temperature that's outside eventually. And so what

531
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: I did is I switched to the Lacrosse Atlas from

532
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: the Navigator series they have and I think you wore

533
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: those boots on the the Backwater strip, right, I was

534
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: running the really similar ones, but the wind rows on Windrows, Yeah,

535
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: same from the same series, the Navigator series. So so anyway, um,

536
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: I wore two pairs of socks. I put on my

537
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Atlas from the Navigator series. And then what I did

538
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: was I used boot warmers this year. So I saw

539
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: this from uh so from a gear perspective. It's called

540
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Arctic Shield was the name of the company. And I

541
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: just throw those on over top and that worked great.

542
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: And on the coldest day I put those toe warmers

543
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: in or the handwarmers really was what they were in

544
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: the at the end of the boot or of the

545
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: boot warmer or the boot soccer or whatever you want

546
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: to call it. And this year I had zero, zero

547
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: problems with with my feet getting cold. So I went

548
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: went with a less insulated boot, two pairs of socks

549
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: like I would have in the alpha really pros. But

550
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: I put that boot cover on and there was one

551
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: day where my feet got a little uncomfortably cold, but

552
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: it was bearable and other than that, not one problem

553
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: at all. So it's something I'm gonna be doing until

554
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: there's something better that comes along. That's a good that's

555
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: a good tip. Um, I'll to check out those bootwarmers

556
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: for those arctic days when it just gets crazy cold.

557
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing to look at. Man, it was.

558
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: It was a lifesaver. And to be honest with you,

559
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: when you have a day like that where typically I

560
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: get out of the timber, let's just say if there's

561
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: no activity by ten. On most days, I was sitting

562
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: to eleven and catching some of this, I don't know,

563
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: a late morning activity. Nothing crazy, but allowed me to

564
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: stay in the stand longer. And uh, for the guys

565
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: that like to sit all day, it might be an option. Yeah. Um,

566
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I'll add, if you're gonna run the rubber boots still

567
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: like I've got my knee high lacrosse is um my

568
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: one thing I would tell you there is, at least

569
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: in my experience, I would always rather have my boots

570
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: a size too big then a size too small, because

571
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: if you get your feet crammed in there on the

572
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: super cold day and you can't move your toes around,

573
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: you are doomed. You're doomed, and you better make sure

574
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: you've you're comfortable with a nice thick wolf sock, maybe

575
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: even two, if you're gonna hunt in the super duper

576
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: crazy cold days. UM so I run. I run a

577
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: slightly larger size. I run the sixt Graham Fincilate Alpha

578
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Burley pros I think they are, and then a wolf sock.

579
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: And if it gets really bad, you know, I'll toss

580
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: in those toe warmers and that will usually get get

581
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,239
Speaker 1: you by. I've also heard some people I've never done this.

582
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember where I heard it either, but someone

583
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: told me that oftentimes is the metal platform of your

584
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: stand that transfers so much of that cold up through

585
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: your feet. So if you put a thin layer of

586
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: cloth or a you know, outdoor carpet on your tree stand,

587
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: it's supposed we will keep your feet warmer. I don't know,

588
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: I've never done it, but it was an interesting thing

589
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuck with me. Um over the years

590
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: is something maybe I should try someday and That's one

591
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: thing we talked about on the Hunting Gear podcast is

592
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: that it is air is the best insulator. So you

593
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: have to have some kind of fluff around your foot,

594
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: whether that's a really thick sock. And when I mean thick,

595
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean it has to be able to not be compressed. Right,

596
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: if you're if you're cramming your feet, that means it's

597
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: compressed and there's actually less air surrounding your foot. So

598
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: if you if you have too many socks on, it

599
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: could probably be detrimental. And if your boot is too tight,

600
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: it could probably be detrimental because air is actually what

601
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: keeps your foot warm. Yeah, very good point. I mean

602
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing with like down insulation, right, that's

603
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: creating that air of those air pockets. Um, okay, moving

604
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: on rapid fire question from Travis. Who would win in

605
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: a fight between Further and Dan? Come on, man, that's

606
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: not even fair. It's not a you know, I'm a

607
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: cheap I'm a cheap guy. I would probably use my

608
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: my kindness towards him to take advantage of him, and

609
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: when he's like I would reach for the hand to

610
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: shake it, and then I just kicked him in his

611
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: dong and that's how I would win. Right, I'm kind

612
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: of cheap. I mean in a in a in a fight,

613
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: there's no rules, anything goes. But I wouldn't hit Further

614
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: because he's gorgeous. Well there you go, folks. I guess

615
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: Further would win because Dan fell into that country boy

616
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of love. You took the conversation that we had

617
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast and then you brought it. Yeah, yeah,

618
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, yeah, I think I think you would win,

619
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Dan Um. I just think that Josh he's a little hesitant.

620
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: He's a little bit too polite, he's too nice. He

621
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: takes a lot of hits and he doesn't send him back.

622
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: So so I I knew a guy like that in college. Right.

623
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: He's a guy he didn't talk much, and we gave

624
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: him ship all the time, and just gave him ship

625
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: until one day at snowballed and then he beat the

626
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: ship out of a guy uh at in the back

627
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: of a bar and there's one guy just picking on

628
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: him and picking on him, picking on him, and then

629
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: this guy snapped. You gotta be careful for guys like

630
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: that because when they snap, they have unlimited power and

631
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: they're dangerous and Burger could be that guy. You're right,

632
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: he might snap some day. Thank goodness, he's a really

633
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: good guy. Right. Uh. Continuing on, Cody asks chicken or

634
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: beef tacos. I'll let you answer that first beef, no question,

635
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 1: but really the better answers venison tacos. Yeah, okay, wild game.

636
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: So after my rut hunt, my elk hunt, every year,

637
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: we come off the mountain and we go to this

638
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: little um taco place and just gorge yourself on tacos

639
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: the post elk hunt meal and I'm all for random, right.

640
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: I like beef, I like chicken, I like fish, I

641
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: like pork, belly, I like uh all these. I like variety.

642
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm a taco guy. It's like I'm a I love

643
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: tacos period, me too. Best tacos ever I've ever personally

644
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: made are from a bird that I shot down in

645
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Texas called Aria. It looks like an ostrich and I

646
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: turned those into tacos with a tripult a mayonnaise type

647
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: of sauce with a a slaw and added I think

648
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: there's some like a pepper in it. Oh man, that

649
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: does sound pretty good money, So does that does that

650
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: mean chicken, giant chicken. Alright, we're divided on that one. Uh,

651
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: dum asks. Would you take a straight on shot at

652
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: a white tail with a bow depends on how far

653
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: he is ten yards, Yes, I've done it before. Uh

654
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: didn't work out. I mean I killed him, but uh,

655
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: he went like sixty yards and dropped dead. He dropped

656
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: right as I saw him. If I was in the

657
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: ground blind, he was just standing there, calm ten yards.

658
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm confident I would shoot a deer straight if you

659
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: look at the opening on their body. Uh, their shoulders

660
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of open up, and it's almost a direct line

661
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: into their boiler maker right from right from where the

662
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: shoulders come to. I don't know, like where the neck

663
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: meets almost, but it's a relatively small zone compared to

664
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: that broadsider quartering away shot fifty fifty yards, forty yards,

665
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: thirty yards, maybe even twenty yards. No, but if he's

666
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: tanned inside, yes, I'll take that shot. Okay, I probably

667
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: would not, but I would probably be sitting there like god,

668
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: dang it. Should have taken that shot. I wish I

669
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: had taken that shot. Maybe I should have taken that

670
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: shot if I didn't end up getting to kill that deer.

671
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I would probably stew on it a lot, but probably

672
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: in the moment um I would just air on the

673
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: conservative side because if you pull it an inch or

674
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: two the left or intro two of the right, either way,

675
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: you're hitting that leg bone and that's not gonna be

676
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: a fairly hit shot. But I know certainly people do

677
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: it and can pull it off, but I would I

678
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: would probably say, if you are not really experienced or

679
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: very confident in your archery skills, that's one that's better

680
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: relegated for a wait and see situation. Um, okay, how

681
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: about this one. Um, well, I can really quickly touch

682
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: on this. Travis asked any updates on Tran. Is he

683
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: still alive? Um? I don't know. Acent I hunted for

684
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: him a couple of times the first week of guns season,

685
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: and I did not see him while I was out there, Honey,

686
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: I saw him one night glass when I wasn't hunting,

687
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: and then went out three times I didn't see him.

688
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: I have not checked cameras though since like November, but

689
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I've got a neighbor who got pictures of him as

690
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: recently as November twenty one, I think it was, So

691
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: he's still out there as a Then, um, I haven't

692
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: heard from anyone in the area that's killed that buck,

693
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: so fingers crossed he's still around. I'm gonna start hunting

694
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: him again here in the next few days, hopefully a

695
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: little bit, and uh, we'll see what happens. There is

696
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: one new buck that's showing up dan Uh. This is

697
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: this is from and this is a neighbor intil Again.

698
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. I'm getting to know more and

699
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: more of my neighbors. I like it, and I don't

700
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: like it. I like it because we're sharing information. You know,

701
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: it's good to have positive relations with your neighbors, help

702
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: each other out, so and so forth. Um, but it's

703
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: also a little stressful and that now I know you

704
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: know how much these bucks roam around, or all the

705
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: times that someone came really close to shooting a deer

706
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: or her that another neighbors saw this deer, and so

707
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: it's almost uh, sometimes ignorance is bliss, you know. Now

708
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: I know everything's going on. I'm like, oh, gosh, this

709
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: buck almost got shot. This buck got missed. Like so

710
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: for example, the big ten corter that passed on twice

711
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: this year, rb um, he got shot at and missed.

712
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: Um like at the guy grazed over his back. I

713
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: think it was either over the back or under the belly,

714
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: but grazed him. Um So, he made it through another

715
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: shot opportunity. A different neighbors saw that same buck just

716
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: over the property line, didn't shoot him. Um tran was

717
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: seen and drawn back on by someone else, but they

718
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: couldn't get a shot. So I'm hearing all this stuff

719
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: and you know, it's taking years off my life. But

720
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: the point being is that one of these neighbors has

721
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: gotten trailcra pictures of a new buck that looks definitely

722
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: mature that I believe I saw once last year and

723
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: got some pictures of. But he's he's not on the

724
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: farm at all until like mid to late November, and

725
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: then he showed up for a little while and then

726
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: was gone again for the rest of the year. Well,

727
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: that buck is supposed apparently back in the area, and

728
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: he's just he's like an eight pointer, but either both

729
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: of his brown times were busted off or they're just

730
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: like nubbins, like not even an inch tall. Um so,

731
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: essentially just a really big six point but a big body,

732
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: deep chest swayed back. Um So at this point. If

733
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: that deer, that is a no brainer four plus year

734
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: old comes by, um, and he's also a bonus buck.

735
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: He's not in the area. I wouldn't expect to see him,

736
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, back next year. I would probably have to

737
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: take a crack at him at this at this time

738
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: now that we're in December, so maybe maybe there's two

739
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: bucks I would take a shot at now. So that's awesome. Man,

740
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: that's the hunting update. They're okay, continuing on I this

741
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: is I don't I apparently didn't write this guy's name down.

742
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: But do you get your bucks mounted? And if so,

743
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: shoulder or euro I do get my bucks mounted? Um?

744
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: I do both, sometimes a shoulder mount, sometimes a euro mount. UM.

745
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm increasingly doing more euro mounts because my wife is

746
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: getting upset about us not having wall space left anymore,

747
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and she she doesn't like these rooms packed with big

748
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: shoulder mountain. She thinks it's creepy or tacky or something.

749
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: So we we disagree on some things, but she's claiming

750
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: now that I shouldn't shoulder mount anything, and I'm not.

751
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm not big into antler size or inches like you know.

752
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot. That's not what I'm

753
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: measuring things by personally. But my wife is now instituting

754
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: an antler criteria on what I can mount. She doesn't

755
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: think I should mount anything that's not one forty or bigger. Um,

756
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling her if I kill tran, who cares about

757
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: the score. I've been chasing this buck for two years,

758
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: super cool buck, I'm mountain him. So we might have

759
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: some knockdown dragouts over that in the future. What about you. Uh,

760
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm to the point in my life where it's gonna

761
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: be a shoulder mount. I'm not gonna shoot it if

762
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm not. I don't know. I'm like

763
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: I said, I'm blessed to be where I'm at in life.

764
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: Uh in Iowa, where not only can I hunt mature bucks,

765
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: but a mature buck typically means it's gonna be It's

766
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: typically gonna have a rack worth mounting, and if it

767
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: doesn't have a big rack, there's going to be a

768
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: story behind it, like if I would have shot, for example,

769
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: dork this year old buck. Nothing in the rack really

770
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: And uh So I'm to the point now where if

771
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: I kill a buck, it's gonna get it's gonna get

772
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: a shoulder mount. I don't have that problem quite yet.

773
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I got about I got about ten ft left to

774
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: play with on my wall in my house to where

775
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to, you know, fill it up

776
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: over the over the next couple of years. But once

777
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I reached that point, I'll cross that bridge. Yeah, that's

778
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: a tricky bridge you have to cross my my wife's uh,

779
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: I literally have no more space in the home where

780
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: she's okay with a putty shoulder. I've got I've got

781
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: me one more spot and then it's okay, what do

782
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: I do? Fix up my burn? Uh? Build a writer's

783
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: shack or something where I put mounts or I don't

784
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. My new office. My new

785
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: office sucks because it's got sloped slope ceilings and I

786
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: can't hang a mount in this room unless it's like

787
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: a foot off the floor. That make for a fun

788
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: visit for the kids up there to see the mountain.

789
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: No more, No more kids in this room, locking the

790
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: down new question, yes, go, Cody asks. This is a

791
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: different Cody than the chicken or beef taco Cody Cody

792
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: with a K or with the sea. They're both the

793
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: Sea's Okay, all right, all right, this Cody says, do

794
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: you think that does will blow at pushy Bucks? So

795
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: will does you know that alarm blow that a dough

796
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: will make when she's spooked. Will they ever make that

797
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: noise at Bucks? Or is it just when they're spooked

798
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: by people or something? What have you seen? Dan? And

799
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: I've seen just about everything. Uh what's crazy is I

800
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: had this three year old standing in front of me

801
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: this this year and uh, this was before the rut

802
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: really got rocking and rolling. And I think that Bucks

803
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: are so used to doze blowing that it's almost the

804
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: boy who Cried Wolf scenario where they just unless they

805
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: can identify the problem there get they almost ignore them.

806
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: They they don't put their head up. They'll look around

807
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: it may it's may. Hey, maybe I should scan the

808
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: area and see what's going on. But I've seen does

809
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: blow so often and the deer the bucks almost ignore them. Mhm.

810
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: I I don't have that answer the question. No, I

811
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: mean I think what I get what you're saying, and

812
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: I wish I think that is that's got to be

813
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: the case in some situations because because it happened so much,

814
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: if they freaked out all the time they heard these

815
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: does blowing? Your right, they wouldn't do anything. Um. But

816
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: whenever I hear a dough blow, at least when I'm

817
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: in Michigan, especially if it's you know, getting towards prime time,

818
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: just always think like, once that alarm sounds off anywhere,

819
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: that one while old Bucks gonna say, well, there's a

820
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: chance there's something out there. I'm at least he's not

821
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: going to go out to somewhere like an open transition

822
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: or a field or something like that. He's probably gonna

823
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: play it safer for the next twenty minutes maybe. Um.

824
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: But to the specific question about will does blow up

825
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: Pushy Bucks, I hadn't seen that personally until just recently,

826
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: um this year. Actually, I saw that happening and had

827
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: another guy tell me the same thing that he's heard

828
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: that happen often. Um. And then I was hunting on

829
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: the back forty recently, not recently. I guess this is

830
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: the day I killed my Bucks. So November five I

831
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: think it was. And you could hear this dough blowing

832
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: in the swamp blown, I'm blowing and blowing. I'm like,

833
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: what is going on in there? You know? Did the

834
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: coyote running there and spook this dear or what? And

835
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: then out runs two bucks. There's does blown blown blown.

836
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: And then two bucks come running out out to the field,

837
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: stop in the field, turn around, run back in there.

838
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: And then he saw a doe running around o there too.

839
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: So it was just a dough. I think that was

840
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: getting chased by these bucks and they were running around

841
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: chasing her and doing crazy stuff, and that dough was

842
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: just frazzled or sick of it or or something. Um,

843
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: there's so many questions that I have in a scenario

844
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: like that. Did the dough here the buck but not

845
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: see him? Could she could she smell him? Because you know,

846
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: obviously just walk something making a lot of noise walking

847
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: through the woods is going to spook, you know, spook

848
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: that dough. And I don't know whether she was being

849
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: pushed or and really like annoyed, so she see, I

850
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: don't think deer can think like that. A deer is

851
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: not going I'm gonna blow in hopes that it spooks

852
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: this buck off my butt. Right, it's all instinctual, Right,

853
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: they just racked to stimuli. It'd be interesting to get

854
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: in their heads though. Uh okay, I got a couple

855
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: of book relay questions Here, Drew asks did you always

856
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: plan on writing a book or was it part of

857
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: your merger with Meat Eater that got the ball rolling? Um?

858
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: The book was pre Meat Eater. This is an idea

859
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: that I started thinking about back in two thousand and fifteen.

860
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do the whole meteator thing until two thousand eighteen. Um, So,

861
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: as I alluded to earlier, I started. I can't remember

862
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: exactly what it was, but at some point I decided

863
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: that the next thing I wanted to do my career

864
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: was write a book. That was this next challenge I

865
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: wanted to try and take on. I think I was

866
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: telling you about this, dan Um. We were talking about

867
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes in your career you feel like you've

868
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: plateaued or things kind of stagnate. And whenever I feel

869
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: that way, I always try to find what's the next

870
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: thing I can try, What's the next challenge, what's the

871
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: next step. And so for me it was okay. I

872
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: absolutely love books, I love reading, and so because of

873
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: that it made sense that I wanted to try writing

874
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: one too, And so so I started this whole idea

875
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: around two thousand and fifteen, and in two thousands sixteen

876
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: and early seventeen got really serious and trying to do

877
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: all the surrounding work that leads to a book getting published.

878
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: You've got to get a book agent. You need to

879
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: then put together this big book proposal, and then you

880
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: and your agent need to go and then try to

881
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: sell that book proposal to a publishing company. And all

882
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: this takes a whole lot of work and a whole

883
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of time. Um So, finally I got a book deal.

884
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: In the fall of two thousand and seventeen, I signed

885
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: my book deal, and I didn't merge with Media until

886
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: the next spring. Um So this is a premedied but

887
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: they have certainly been really supportive of it and a

888
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: great help. And I gotta give a big thank you

889
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: to Steve Rinella because he was really helpful and kind

890
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: of giving me confidence to do the book. Because because

891
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: I actually sat down one time, oh this is years ago,

892
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: this is like two fourteen maybe, and was drinking a

893
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: beer with him, talking about you know, his career in

894
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: my career, and he I told me I want to

895
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: write a book someday, and he kind of asked me,

896
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: do you have any ideas? And I pitched a book

897
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: idea to him, which wasn't exactly the book I ended

898
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: up with, but it was the precursor to this, and

899
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: he said, hey, that's actually a pretty good idea. And

900
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: he then helped me make some connections and pointing me

901
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: in the right direction for how to get started, and

902
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 1: lo and behold, it all worked out. Um. So that's

903
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of the cliff notes version of how the book

904
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: came about. It was years and years and years of work.

905
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: But but here it is. Someone else asked here, sticking

906
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: on the book topic, Oh where is it? Where is it?

907
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Where is it? Matt asks if the caribou hunt from

908
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: the book is on Meat Eater, and it is. The

909
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: last chapter of my book is about that Alaskan caribou

910
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: hunt with Steve, And that is in season seven of

911
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: the Mediator TV show, which is on Netflix right now. Um.

912
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: I think it's episode thirteen and fourteen. It was a

913
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: two episode one. Um, definitely check it out. It was

914
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard the story, Dan, It was a

915
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: hell of an experience and uh really was a life

916
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: changer there for me. So check that one out. Someone

917
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: else asked where the cover picture was shot for the book. Um,

918
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: and that is from Grand Titan National Park, which is

919
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: one of my absolute favorite places in the world. Um,

920
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: My wife and I have rented a cabin out there

921
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: several different times for months at a time, and we

922
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: actually got engaged on top of a mountain just outside

923
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: of the National Park too, so it was pretty special.

924
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: At the cover of my book could be this place

925
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: that's got a special place in my heart as well.

926
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Um moving on, Moose something other Moose says or asks,

927
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: would Dan be able to sing Garth Brooks's song much

928
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: too Young to Feel This? Damn Old? Can you sing

929
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: that for us? Dan? I don't know. I don't think

930
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: I know that one. I mean I I know it.

931
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: I know the song, but uh, it's something like I'm

932
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: much too old to feel this. No, I'm must and

933
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get it right. We should get young

934
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: to feel this damn Oh it's something like that. Yeah,

935
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: I know the song. Does it resonate with you? Uh?

936
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: The one that resident The Garth Brooks song that resonates

937
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: with me is about the young kid who goes to

938
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: work on a wheat field. Um, and then the lady

939
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: who runs it, who's the one who like sort of

940
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: like takes advantage a young man had some experiences like that.

941
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: Oh man, Um, Christopher, No, we're gonna move on to

942
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: the different Okay, here's one from Adam. He asks, other

943
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: than your old man or a child of yours, who

944
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: would you love to share a tree or blind with?

945
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think it would be cool

946
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: to share a tree stand or a ground blind with

947
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: someone who I I kind of look up to, but

948
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: not necessarily who wasn't a hunter. Um Like, I've had

949
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: this notion. My dad's never been hunting other than some

950
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: like some pheasant hunting back in the day. I'm I

951
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: would like to maybe get him out turkey hunting or

952
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: something like that. I think that would be cool. You

953
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: know that story that you shared, uh about your dad.

954
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was on my podcast or

955
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: your part podcast a while ago, but I think I

956
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: just have this notion that I want to get my

957
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: father in law or my dad out and do and

958
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: uh doing some hunting. From from that side of things,

959
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: but from a celebrity side of things, or someone who

960
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: it's just would be cool, would be um Bo Jackson,

961
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: the football player. Dude. When I was young, I thought

962
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: that dude was god like, uh, and I'm a huge

963
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders football fan. I won't say huge, but that's

964
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: who I follow, Uh yeah, Oakland Raiders. And it was

965
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: because Bo Jackson played on that team. Well you know,

966
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: he's a big hunter, yep, And that's that's why I

967
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: would like to go hunting with him. But jeez, you

968
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: should try to get him on the podcast. I've tried, dude,

969
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: I've tried. He's hard to get ahold of them. Yeah,

970
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: I guess so, huh um, interesting, I never knew you

971
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: were Raiders fan. Um, well, my answer would be I'll

972
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: give to number one. I would love to uh hunt

973
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: with my grandpa again because I would just love to. Yeah,

974
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: I just wish my grandpa was around now to see

975
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: the kind of things that I'm able to do now.

976
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: And you know, it all kind of happened because of him.

977
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: My earliest hunting experience and memory was sitting in the

978
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: blind with him when I was like five. Um, in

979
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: the summer, we sat in the ground blind and watched

980
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 1: this group of seven does come walking out in front

981
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: of me at like ten yards and that's the first

982
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: dear experience I remember. Um, And so to be able

983
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: to come full circle and hunt with him again now

984
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: as an adult, I wish I could do that, um,

985
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: because he passed away kind of right when I was

986
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: starting wired to hunt, right as I was entering this

987
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: new phase of of life in my career. And I

988
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: think he would really get a kick out of out

989
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: of seeing where things are now and and and just

990
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: to get to share that would be cool. As far

991
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: as a celebrity or somebody um Man, it would be

992
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: it would be cool to go back and hunt with

993
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: one of these historical figures, one of these folks that

994
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: were so influential with um getting us to where we

995
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: are now as far as a hunting community, as far

996
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: as having wild places still. So somebody like Theodore Roosevelt

997
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: or Aldo Leopold or George Burg Grinnell Um, one of

998
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: those huge influencers would be really interesting to spend time with.

999
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: And just he would was like or Lewis and Clark.

1000
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: What about Lewis and Clark or one of those old

1001
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: one of those old explorers or trappers. I know you

1002
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: and me talk about this a lot when we talk

1003
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: about hunting out west or going out west, and you

1004
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: come over these hills and you see some huge wide

1005
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: mountain valley and I can't help but always wonder what

1006
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: was this like two hundred and fifty years ago? How

1007
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: incredible must it have been to come over this and

1008
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: see thousands or millions of buffalo spread across the horizon. Um,

1009
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to sit down and talk with one of

1010
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: the guys that actually sell that. That would be That

1011
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool. Another thing I often think about

1012
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: is you know hunting for how you know hunting, how

1013
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: we do it? Not necessarily for subsidence, but for like

1014
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: fun compared, No, we we hunt for fun, right, everybody

1015
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: like with all a bunch of stuff food, substance and

1016
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: fun and experience and yes, yes holistic thing right. But

1017
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: back in the day they needed to hunt for survival,

1018
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: right a long time, nothing but survival. So it would

1019
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: be cool too if you had a time machine to

1020
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: go back and like you read these stories about how

1021
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: the Native Americans would run bison off cliffs. I think

1022
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: that would be intense to see that. Yeah, I mean

1023
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: it was all about protein acquisition, no matter how you

1024
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: had to do it, which is yeah, just the history

1025
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: is crazy. Um, that would be really interesting. Here is

1026
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: one from Justin, and Justin asked a question that I've

1027
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: gotten various versions of from a bunch of different people,

1028
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: which is what my thoughts were on switching from a

1029
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: finger release to a back tension release like the silver back. UM.

1030
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: A lot of people have wondered what I thought about

1031
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: using it this year? Did I use it on a

1032
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: deer on actual hunt, etcetera, etcetera. Um, So yes, I

1033
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: used it all this year, and I did use it

1034
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: while hunting, including killing the wide eight. UM. So I

1035
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: would tell you I'm a big believer and it it

1036
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: really has helped me. Not saying I'm perfect still, um,

1037
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: not saying that I even execute that shot on the

1038
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: wide eight absolutely perfectly. I probably could have taken a

1039
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: little bit slower, but it forces you to go slower

1040
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: than you would otherwise, and I think that helped me

1041
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: put a better shout on that deer. I double lunged him,

1042
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: had a good odd. He you know, ran a hundred

1043
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: and twenty yards and died right there. And what I

1044
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: like about this is that you can't draw back, and

1045
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: then as soon as that pin hits the vitals, you

1046
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: can't just punch that trigger right away. It forces you

1047
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: to add another step to your process. So now I

1048
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: had to draw back. I just settle in the vitals,

1049
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: and then I couldn't hammer it. I had to pull, pull, pull,

1050
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: and then it releases without you forcing it, and that helped,

1051
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: and it helps a lot in shooting just in general too.

1052
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: So one of the things that I started having problems

1053
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: with when my target panics started getting really bad was

1054
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: that I was struggling to shoot with like other people.

1055
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: So I could. I could shoot fine behind my house,

1056
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: just me, but then when I got a bunch of

1057
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: buddies watching me shoot, then that target panic showed up

1058
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: and I would hit the trigger before I really wanted to.

1059
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: And so now I switched to the silver, back to

1060
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: that back tension release, and it takes that pressure to

1061
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: push the trigger away from you. I could just go

1062
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: through the process pull back, and then then I just

1063
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: focused on aiming, and I just slowly had my shoulder

1064
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: squeeze and then it goes off. There's just not that

1065
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: ability to lose control of it. So my one year

1066
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: in high level review is so far, so good. I'm

1067
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: gonna keep on using it. Um I'm a believer, dan Uh.

1068
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: I know you've gone through release issues, questions, You've switched

1069
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: around a little bit in the off season, um, high

1070
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: level play a stick with what you got going next year,

1071
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: or you think about changing. You know, I'm still thinking

1072
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: about it. I'd love to get into back tension, um,

1073
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: but that means a whole new bow set up. I

1074
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: mean as far as I need a longer draw length

1075
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: on my bow, and I'm still thinking about it. I had,

1076
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, all this drama that I had with my shot.

1077
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: This it was I figured it out what it was.

1078
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: It was my site. Uh and on these sites they

1079
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: have you know, left right up down right, but on

1080
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: the site that I had, it also had a pivot,

1081
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: a center pivot. Well, what I didn't notice was that

1082
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: that line was off. So at forty yards I was

1083
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: dead eye. But on let's see, on twenty and thirty,

1084
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: I was high right, and on uh, fifteen sixty I

1085
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: was low left, so that pivot was off. And so

1086
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: when I realized that and I tightened my screws back up,

1087
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: I was back to being dead eye. Dick it. I

1088
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: just I didn't notice it until honestly, right before I

1089
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: went on my vacation. Well that's a good thing. I

1090
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: had to tighten the bolts real tight and didn't have

1091
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: any more problems with it. Um, interesting, Yeah, it's funny.

1092
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: Oftentimes those little gear things can really screw you up,

1093
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: so it doesn't pay to either take the time to

1094
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: double check all your stuff, or if you're not terribly

1095
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: experience with archery gear and accessories, go to a good spot,

1096
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: a good archery shop where they can set you up right,

1097
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: make sure it's all there, because really, all the little

1098
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: tiny things can make a huge difference. Here is another question,

1099
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: double two questions kind of from two different people somewhat related. Um.

1100
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: We had a question here from Skeeter who asks how

1101
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 1: do you stay motivated when the hard work isn't paying off?

1102
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna tack onto that question from someone

1103
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: with a handle inches from success who explained that, uh,

1104
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: this guy lost two deer during the season and now

1105
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: it's just burned out and struggling to deal with it

1106
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: and stay motivated. How do you combat this? So how

1107
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: do you deal with burnout or when things aren't paying off? Daan, man,

1108
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,479
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've been burnt out,

1109
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: and I just kind of changed my mindset to where like,

1110
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: isn't this what we love? Right? I mean, back in

1111
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: the day when I was hunting twenty thirty days out

1112
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: of an entire year. Um. I think what really kept me,

1113
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: got me back in the game was to take a

1114
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: day if you need it, taking a morning off if

1115
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: you need it. Um. But I just keep telling myself that, dude,

1116
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: this is what I love. If I if I could

1117
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: be in a tree stand right now hunting, I'd be

1118
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: in a tree stand right now hunting. I just I

1119
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: haven't felt the burnout in a long time, and I

1120
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: think it's because I changed my mindset on that. It's

1121
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: not the deer that's dead at the end of the

1122
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: season that matters. It's about the process, the journey, right,

1123
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: That is the grind. And I think once you can

1124
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: learn how to love that part of it, then everything

1125
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: else just comes easier. Yeah, very very true. And that's

1126
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: that's probably exactly what I would say. I certainly do

1127
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: get burnout sometimes still. Um. But it all ends up

1128
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: to me or comes down to having a mental reset,

1129
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: answering those exact questions in my own head. This is

1130
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: this is fun, this is what you love. You know,

1131
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: you don't worry about the end outcomes so much. Get

1132
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: back to just enjoying the process. Get back to just

1133
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: enjoying sitting out here in the tree tonight and just

1134
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what you're gonna see, have fun.

1135
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: Just seeing some does have fun. Just seeing a couple

1136
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: of year and a half olds or whatever. I mean,

1137
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: growing up, that was the coolest thing in the world.

1138
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: And I don't ever want to find myself being all

1139
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: upset and disappointed about that just because I didn't see

1140
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: the one buckum after. And I'm not saying I sometimes

1141
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: do get, you know, frustrated with things like that, but

1142
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get better mentally, resetting and remembering that

1143
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: all these experiences are are special and worthwhile, and enjoy

1144
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: it because someday you're not gonna be a hunt or

1145
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: someday the season is gonna be done and you're gonna

1146
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: wish you were out there hunting um. And then finally,

1147
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: I will absolutely echo what you just said, which was

1148
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: take a day off, take a morning off. I used

1149
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: to be go go go, don't take any breaks, never surrendered,

1150
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: work harder, don't complain, just just balls to the wall,

1151
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: push through it. And there's a part of me that

1152
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: still says that, but another part of me has also said,

1153
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: you're all supposed to enjoy it. You're also going to

1154
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: be a lot more focused and and and have you

1155
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: to be out there if you take a morning or

1156
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: a day to get your mind right or get your

1157
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: family time right. And we spend a bunch of time

1158
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: talking about this the other day on that RUT Recap podcast.

1159
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: Um so maybe this is a little bit of our

1160
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: own personal evolution, or we're getting older, we're becoming parents.

1161
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but definitely definitely changing there.

1162
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: And I think, just just remember how lucky we are

1163
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: able to do this. That'll help you a lot too, right, Right,

1164
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know what I don't know what his

1165
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: scenario is, right I. I we we share our scenarios.

1166
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to know what everybody else's scenarios. Like. I mean,

1167
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 1: throw a curveball at yourself that sometimes and change things

1168
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: up so drastically that you know, hey, you know I've

1169
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: been hunting this stand for thirty five years. Well maybe

1170
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: you should hunt this a different stand, or or move

1171
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: to a different part of the farm, or just try

1172
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: something so crazy that gets you thinking, It catches you

1173
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: off your feet, it makes you have to think again,

1174
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: as opposed to going to the same tree, standing the

1175
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: same pinch point every single year, just just try something different.

1176
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. It's a good that's a good idea,

1177
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: And not only will that make it more exciting for

1178
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: you in the moment because it's something different, but it

1179
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: might also be the thing that helps you have success too,

1180
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: because you're out of your typical rut, you're out of

1181
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: the usual that these deer probably know what you're doing,

1182
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: So it makes a lot of sense. Two more questions, Dan,

1183
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: then we gotta wrap it up. Ah, Well, one's question

1184
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: wants a story. Micah asks when should you hunt green

1185
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: food sources versus grains? Um? Uh, let's simplify it more.

1186
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: How do you determine what the top food source will

1187
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: be at any given time? You know, when you're trying

1188
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: to plan where to hunt or trying to think about

1189
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: what food source deer are gonna be relating to where

1190
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: you're at. Um is a type of day, is a

1191
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: type of weather, as a time of year, conditions, blah

1192
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. How do you go about figure

1193
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: out or trying to guess what types of food sources

1194
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: de you're going to relate to. Yeah, that's a that's

1195
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: a tricky one because I think deer or like people.

1196
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: Everybody likes different things at different times a year. Um,

1197
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: but it's all about what's available. So this year, you know,

1198
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: I went out and I tried you know, typically I

1199
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: go out and I try to shoot a doll right

1200
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: off the bat and you know, right right at the

1201
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: beginning of the rut, and that tells me poke a

1202
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: hole in their stomach. After you've got it, you can

1203
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: see what they're on. Some do your have corn some

1204
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: deer have greens. Just depends on what's available. My my

1205
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: buck had only a corns in his stomach, So that

1206
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: tells me right there that this buck probably didn't visit

1207
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: a cornfield very often. So I try to stay away

1208
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: from what the food source, like what I think the

1209
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: food sources and hunt more of the terrain features and

1210
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: the betting areas and things like that. So for me,

1211
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,439
Speaker 1: food source unless it's late season, doesn't impact my strategy. Yeah,

1212
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: it's interesting, and we've talked about this difference in our

1213
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: circumstances a lot in the past. You know, you've got

1214
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: a situation where your strategy focuses much more on that

1215
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: big timber stuff and the cover, while you know, on

1216
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: one of my Michigan properties here, I hunt a lot.

1217
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't have almost any of that. I'm almost stuck

1218
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: hunting nothing but food sources and the edges of them

1219
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: simply because of what the property consists of. So I

1220
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: am really having to focus on which one of these

1221
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: food sources are they gonna hit at a given time. Um.

1222
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: So for example, this year, on this property I've got

1223
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: and this is the first TI I've ever had this,

1224
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: I've got three different food sources on the property hunt.

1225
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: I've got a cut bean field, now I've got to

1226
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: cut corn field. And then I've got my food plots.

1227
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: So those are green plots. That's a mix of braskas

1228
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: and oats and clovers and stuff like that. So I'm

1229
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: having the same debate myself, are they gonna I've gotta

1230
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: pick which one of these areas, which parts of the

1231
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: farm I think will be the top spot on a

1232
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: given night, um, because that's gonna help me choose where

1233
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: to hunt. Um where you know that buck might be betted,

1234
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna be if it's if corn is the top thing,

1235
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna betted in one of the betting areas

1236
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: closer to the corn. If the green food sources the

1237
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: top thing, he might be bettered a little bit closer

1238
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: to that one. Um. Now, this could be totally wrong

1239
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: on any given night, but if I'm trying to make

1240
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: a prediction of where the odds are slightly higher, answering

1241
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: this question the right way helps. Um. What I've typically

1242
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: found is that you're gonna get better action on the

1243
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: green food sources earlier in the season, or when it's

1244
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: slightly warmer, milder temperatures in the late season, let's say.

1245
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: Um So when we've got a little bit of a

1246
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: warm up period, maybe goes into the thirties or forties

1247
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: in December, they might be hitting your clover still or

1248
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: some oats. Um. If it is like downright crazy cold,

1249
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: then they're gonna shift more to a grain usually. And

1250
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking this from some of my own experience, but

1251
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: then also a lot from other guys that have studied

1252
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: this a bunch. Um. You know, Mark Drey is a

1253
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: guy who talks about this a lot. He always talks

1254
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: about when it's warmer, go to grains. When it's super

1255
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: duper cold, go to the grains. Um. And it kind

1256
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: of makes sense because you know, when deer are really

1257
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: needing to pack on some energy, right, they need to

1258
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: stay warm when it's deathly cold out, They're gonna go

1259
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: for high energy, high carbohydrate food sources like a grain,

1260
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: which would be corn or soybeans. Um. When they're not

1261
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: needed that so much, they might go and hit some

1262
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: candy crops like oats or clover um or brassicas, which

1263
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: brascas are green food source that can be really really

1264
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: great in the late season. Great great, but they're kind

1265
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: of like like I said, like an ice cream crap

1266
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: or candy crop because they sweeten up the sugars come

1267
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: out in those brass because once it starts to freeze. Um. So,

1268
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm thinking about probably this time of year.

1269
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: The cut corn is going to be top for me

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Speaker 1: on those really cold, snowy days. But I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on that Braska food plot I've got

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Speaker 1: because at some point they're gonna switch onto that in

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Speaker 1: a heavy way. And usually it's real late in the season,

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Speaker 1: like the last couple of weeks, when there's snow on

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Speaker 1: the ground and it's cold, they for whatever reason in

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Speaker 1: this area, they switch onto it and hit it real

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Speaker 1: hard for a few weeks. So I just have to

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Speaker 1: kind of watch it, got to kind of scout it,

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Speaker 1: observe it, and um, you know, can't be too dependent

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Speaker 1: on just what I'm assuming. So something to think about

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Speaker 1: their Um, dandy, got time for a story. Real quick, okay,

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Speaker 1: real quick story. I gotta I gotta share because I

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Speaker 1: alluded to this in one of my the other day

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Speaker 1: and someone asks me, asked me, Matt said, we got

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Speaker 1: to hear about the bathroom fail. So last year, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you remember the hay Bell blind story, right, the poop

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Speaker 1: blunt And I shared that story with everybody because I

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Speaker 1: knew people needed to laugh in their lives. Well, I

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Speaker 1: had a somewhat a different kind of experience, but a

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Speaker 1: related experience. On Thanksgiving. I had a great Thanksgiving dinner.

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Speaker 1: All my family was was over. We had grandparents and

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Speaker 1: aunts and uncles and cousins and my whole uh you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's the whole family there for the great big Turkey

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Speaker 1: Day gathering. We ate all sorts of turkey, mass potatoes, stuffing, rolls, vegetables,

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Speaker 1: cranberry sauce, you know, the whole spread. Do you eat?

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you have Thanksgiving dinner, how do you

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Speaker 1: approach it? Dan? Do you approach it with moderation, or

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Speaker 1: do you say the balls of the walls? Thanksgiving, I'm

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Speaker 1: eating everything I can stuff in my face. Mark, It's

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Speaker 1: almost disgusting how I approach holidays and the amount of

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Speaker 1: food that I consume, to the point where I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm Gollum from Lord of the Rings. Don't it

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Speaker 1: puts the gravy on everything, you know like that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I'm I'm I'm hip checking my grandma

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Speaker 1: out of the way. I'm in the fridge before it's

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Speaker 1: even set out on for everybody to have. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just disgusting. So I am, I am, I am,

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Speaker 1: I'm disgusting. Okay, Well, I'm glad we're on the same

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Speaker 1: page there, because I am the same way. So I

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Speaker 1: had that kind of Thanksgiving dinner, and then, of course,

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Speaker 1: right you're sitting at the table afterwards, chit chatting with

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Speaker 1: folks and you know, having a good old time reminiscing,

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Speaker 1: telling stories, and then I felt that feeling, you know,

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: that feeling um, and I had to go take care

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Speaker 1: of some business. So I went and I tried to

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Speaker 1: take care of some business upstairs in the bathroom and

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Speaker 1: flush of toilet and you know, things didn't go the

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Speaker 1: way you want them to go. The toilet didn't flush, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to keep this as pg as we

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Speaker 1: possibly can. Don um So, oftentimes, as you might have

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Speaker 1: experienced in the past. I'm guessing you've plugged a toilet

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Speaker 1: or two in your day, um so, as as as

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Speaker 1: you might know. Right, usually it might not unplug after

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Speaker 1: the first flush. But what you gotta do is you

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Speaker 1: gotta wait till the water goes down, and then you

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Speaker 1: flush a second time and then plunge while it's as

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Speaker 1: it's flushing, and then it will go Have you experienced

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Speaker 1: that in the past. Yeah? Ok, yeah, So so this happens.

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Speaker 1: I plug it, I plunge it. It's not working. I

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Speaker 1: flush it again, and I'm like, okay, you're gonna plunge

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Speaker 1: it as it's flush in the second time and you'll

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Speaker 1: clear it. And so this happens, and the water just

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Speaker 1: keeps coming and coming and coming, and my entire families

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Speaker 1: downstairs and the water keeps coming up further and further.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching. I'm like, it's gonna stop. It's gonna stop, right,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna stop. And then I realized it's not stopping,

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Speaker 1: and I grabbed the rug off the floor and throw

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Speaker 1: it into the bathtub. And then I see the water

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Speaker 1: start pouring over the top. And then I see everything

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Speaker 1: in the toilet bowl rushing out of the toilet, going

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Speaker 1: all over my parents floor in the bathroom. I run

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Speaker 1: out the door of the bathroom, run to the other bathroom,

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Speaker 1: grab a bunch of towels, while everybody is downstairs in

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Speaker 1: the living room kind of looking up like why is

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Speaker 1: Mark running up the stairs across the whole area. Had

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Speaker 1: to run into the bathroom again, throw down towels, trying

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Speaker 1: to soak up everything, trying to keep it from getting

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Speaker 1: to the carpeting, trying to stop the water. Had to

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Speaker 1: I realized you can turn off the water on the toilet.

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Speaker 1: Took care of that and completely overflowed a completely crap

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Speaker 1: filled toilet on Thanksgiving Day with my whole family downstairs. Um,

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Speaker 1: and that was my Thanksgiving I had that. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what else to say about it. The fact that

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Speaker 1: I did get unplugged eventually, you, but not until we

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Speaker 1: had to like sithon out some of the toilet bowl wire.

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Speaker 1: I had to throw away like four towels of my parents, UM,

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Speaker 1: and I spent like an hour disinfecting. Yeah, the other

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Speaker 1: day Mac clogged a toilet and I kind of shook

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Speaker 1: his hand and said, welcome, welcome to the first step

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Speaker 1: in being a man, buddy. It's that's a write of

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Speaker 1: passage for any young man. I feel like you calogged

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Speaker 1: your first toilet. You know, it's like a learning moment, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, all right, but here's what you do. Take

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Speaker 1: the back off, pull up on the thing, you gotta

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Speaker 1: yell for dad, you gotta take you know, turn the

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Speaker 1: water off, and then you know it's just it's stepping stones.

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Speaker 1: Yes see, I didn't tear out the water off. That's uh,

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Speaker 1: live and learn, Dan, and learn Dan. So with that,

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot more questions we didn't get to cover.

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Speaker 1: But um, we'll keep we'll keep tacking. We'll keep tackling

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Speaker 1: the apart two. Uh, any final thoughts, Mr Johnson, I

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Speaker 1: gotta go pick my kid up from school, all right,

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Speaker 1: get out of here and go pick up your kid

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Speaker 1: and uh we'll chess him all right. Thanks man, gotta

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Speaker 1: go yep, sorry, yeah, no worries by And that is

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Speaker 1: a rap for episode three three. Thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: Thank you in advance. For all of you who are

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Speaker 1: picking up a copy of That Wild Country, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you hearing out my little pitch on the beginning. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your support. UM means the world, so thanks

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Speaker 1: for that. That's the luck in the woods, and until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to Hunt.