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Speaker 1: series X one eleven. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: eleven our friends at wc SC Live five. Court records

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Speaker 1: So nineteen year old Bowen Turner was arrested and charged

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Speaker 1: He did still work there, Miss Nancy, I can speak

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Speaker 1: five News on this from the very beginning, Katie Bowen.

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Speaker 1: Turner's lawyer, last name is it Hutto, Yes, Brad Hutto,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina State Senator. He is the ranking Democrat in

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Speaker 1: Sarah Ford, it is. It is absolutely true. Our legislature

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Speaker 1: Karen hold On. I want you to hear Chloe Bess,

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I want you to hear her, because me

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Speaker 1: and your brother and the friend left, I think, to

428
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Speaker 1: go get food, and in that entrm you decided you

429
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: wanted to leave. You step outside the house party to

430
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: call your brother to tell him come and get me.

431
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: I'm waiting outside, and that is when you are tackled

432
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: by Bowing Turner, dragged between a car and a tree

433
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: line where no one could see you, and you were raped.

434
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: That's the way I recall from what you told me.

435
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: And then I went home distraught. But first you went

436
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: inside and you told me that you looked in the

437
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: mirror and it didn't even seem like you. Yes, and

438
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: not at all. When you think back on that moment, Chloe,

439
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: what goes through your mind. It's a lot of emotions

440
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: when I think about that, because it was very It

441
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: was probably one of the weirdest things, because like I said,

442
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: it was like I wasn't even looking at myself, and

443
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: so I just didn't know how to feel. And so

444
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: when I look back on it, I can feel all

445
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: of the you know, the sadness, the how scared I was,

446
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: all of that in the moment. I couldn't really feel

447
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: that though, because I was supposed shocked. Time stories with

448
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Missus Staller. I know, I hate when people

449
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: just out of the blue asked me about my fiancee's murder.

450
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: If I bring it up, I don't feel as bad

451
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: about it. But when somebody else brings it up, it's

452
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: just like throwing cold water in my face. I could

453
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: be having a perfectly fine day, and then I have

454
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: to think about him getting shot five times in the

455
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: face and the head in the back. Would you please

456
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: tell the story about Dallas, because me going on and

457
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: on and on about Bow and Turner being drunken disorderly,

458
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: nobody cares. They have to know why it's so significant

459
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: he's walking free again. Yes, ma'am, I'll be happy to

460
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: speak about it. Yes, ma'am. My daughter Dallas Stallar went

461
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: to a party in the Bamber Kenny, which is the

462
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: next kenny over the south of Orangeburg County, Canada, party

463
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: that night and she was at the party and at

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00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: some point during the night she went outside and went

465
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: to From what I remember and what I was told

466
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: is she went outside to attempt to use the bathroom

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00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: in a wooded area, and she was and I would

468
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: say this this way, later identified her attacker, her rapist,

469
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: as the one Turner and she was followed into the

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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: woodline with by this gentleman and he this young man.

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00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so the gentleman he followed by this young

472
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: man and uh and was raped in the woods by him,

473
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: and of course brought eventually got home to our house

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: where we found out she had been assaulted and she

475
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: had meant numerous wounds on her body, bruises and u S,

476
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: triangulation marks on her neck, UM, just a plethora of

477
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: different injuries pretty much over our whole body. She was

478
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: transported to our local hospital, regional medical center, and she

479
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: was at what point we were told she by her

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00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: and what she told medical personnel that she had been

481
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: raped by UM what turned out to be this subject,

482
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: mister Boe Turner at that party and became a that

483
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: started a chain of events that UM were obviously, as

484
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: most people know now was life changing for her and

485
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: us as a family. And ultimately three and a half

486
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: years later, UM ended up in her deciding to it

487
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: was morning she can handle and took her life because

488
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: she was bullied and she was made out to be

489
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: a liar, and so many of these so called important

490
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: people that made that made that so and there children

491
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: and that type of thing. So that's where we are today, ma'am.

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00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: That's why this bone's reoffending on another chart on what

493
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: we call the misdemeanor here in South Carolina, on this

494
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: public disorderly conduct is significant. But I will say this

495
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: not surprising to me because he doesn't have any regard

496
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: for the law, period and all the way and honestly,

497
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: all the law taught him that day and that hire

498
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: for Choye's case was that hey man, you you you

499
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: know the right people, You got the money, you can

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00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: get out of anything and um, and he basically did that.

501
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: And so why does he have any Why in the

502
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: world would he have any regard for the law? I mean,

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00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't care about that, you know, underage drinking, that

504
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Um, that's a law. I want the law

505
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: and apply to me. Um raping girls? That's why does

506
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: that matter? The law and apply to me? And guess

507
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: what guess guess have taught us. Guessn't taught him that.

508
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Our court system, our court system taught him that. And

509
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: uh and so there's much to blame for all this

510
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: as anybody. And uh, thankfully, thankfully we have one judge

511
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: that was willing to hear it out and say, listen,

512
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: you're you're you're not. I'm gonna get back out on

513
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: this what turned out to the probation violation point point

514
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: of it, because you are you've clearly shown that you

515
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: have no regard for conditions of bond needs nothing to you.

516
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: And hey, you've been on probation of them. But just

517
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: a month and you've already violated it. But I sat

518
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: in on that bond hearing and I heard him say,

519
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: he said, well, I don't understand I've made all my

520
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: court appearances. Well, big deal. You may tell the courterpences appearances.

521
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: But you did what the hell you wanted to do

522
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: in the eneral, you know, so that make any difference

523
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: to you. But again, like I said, that solicited David

524
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Miller and Brad Huddle, all the combination of all that.

525
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: Judge Markley Denna say, everybody they taught him, they taught him. Well,

526
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: then they taught him to say, you can do anything

527
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: you want to do, and it's okay, it's okay. That's

528
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: the way I see it, mister Staller. The children, my

529
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: twins just went on a week trip on their class trip,

530
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: and I would go in their room. I could hardly

531
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: stand it. I just totally wanted to divorce my husband

532
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: because I thought, I, this is the way life is

533
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: going to be when they go to college. God willing,

534
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: I can't take it. Well, I didn't divorce him when

535
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: they came home. I don't know what's going to happen.

536
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: Four years from now. But when you go in Dallas's room,

537
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: how can you stand it? It's extremely difficult. It's extremely difficult,

538
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: a flood of emotion that comes over you, and how

539
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: you can think about it as your I don't look

540
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: at her as a twenty year old that died way

541
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: too soon. I still look at her as my little girl.

542
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: Karen's dark not just what Chloe is going through. And

543
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: you know how much guts it takes for her. People

544
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: keep asking her to tell her story over and over

545
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: and over. It's the worst story of her life. Carl Staller,

546
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: get him to tell Dallas a story over and over.

547
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: Sarah Ford, the legal director, is they're just fighting tooth

548
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: and claw. More than the grief, I think the feeling

549
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: of helplessness that nobody is doing anything, including Miller. By

550
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: the way, his number is eight zero three six four

551
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: two one five five seven repeat eight o three six

552
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: four two one five five seven. You don't like the

553
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: way the case is being handled, call him, let him know,

554
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: do something. Don't just talk about it or think about

555
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: it or simmer about it. Do something. I mean that

556
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: feeling of helplessness, Karen, And that's what I've heard from

557
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: rape victims ever since I started prosecuting crimes, that feeling

558
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: that there's nothing you can do, the thing you can do, Nancy,

559
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: good for you for giving out that phone number, and

560
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: absolutely a feeling of helplessness. Chloe, I am so so

561
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: sorry what you've felt, that feeling of you don't recognize

562
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: yourself as disassociation, meaning you had to somehow cope, and

563
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the only way that you could cope with that situation

564
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: was to remove yourself from it unconsciously. And that is

565
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: normal response to a horrific, tragic situation. And good for you.

566
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: You're so brave, both of you. The dad, Chloe, because

567
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: this is a horrendous situation. This guy was clearly going

568
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: to go on and continue doing it. It's who he is.

569
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: He's above the law, and then the law comes along

570
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: and shows him that he's right. He could do whatever

571
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: he wants to do, and it's outrageous that that was allowed.

572
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are able to talk to people

573
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: and get out and keep talking to the public and

574
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: let them know what this is like, and we have

575
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: to put a stop to it, somehow get people like

576
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: this not to get for However, I know that Chloe

577
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: case went forward and Bow and Turner got straight probation.

578
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: I know that Dallas's case was dropped because Dallas passed away.

579
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: I know that there is a juvenile victim case out there.

580
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: What has become of the juvenile case? Do you know?

581
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: Sarah Ford? Yes, Actually, when I got involved with these cases,

582
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I asked the SORCER's office till we opened her case

583
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: as South CARONLA Law Enforcement Division, to reopen it. Sled did,

584
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: But we honestly have m ever gotten an answer. That's

585
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: actually a good thing. That's a good thing, Sarah Ford,

586
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: because that means there's still a rate case pending against

587
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Bow and Turner if in fact they haven't resolved it

588
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: behind the victim's back. Well, it's my understanding that you know,

589
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: they did not want to have their conversations with them.

590
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, there were two pending cases. This would have

591
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: been a third case that was opened closed. We asked

592
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: it to be reopened, and you know, I was told,

593
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to make it look like

594
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: we're going after this kid, which was obviously very problematic

595
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: just that mentality. So you know, I think that while

596
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: I would love to see Dallas's case reopened, I would

597
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: love to see this first case get the appropriate attention

598
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: that it deserves. I don't know that that's going to happen,

599
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: but I'm hopeful. I really am. So. There are two

600
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: cases Chloe's cases resolved. Two others exist and can be

601
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: reopened again. The number for the prosecutor eight zero three six, four, two, one,

602
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: five five seven. If he can't do his job, he

603
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: needs to be voted out. Real simple. We wait as

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00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: just unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime story signing up, Goodbye Friend,