1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's listen to a second for this music. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: That's it's playing here Staring Black and the Boar Thruthy 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Angry Jaws Giants. That is, of course the Mariners Revenge 7 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: song by the Decembrist, just a little bit from that track, 8 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: and that's off the album Picturesque. I highly recommend uh 9 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: everyone go download the full song, the full album or 10 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: whatever after the podcast. But it's great because it deals 11 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: with the idea of being eaten alive, not only eating alive, 12 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: but swallowed alive whole by an enormous whale, which I think, 13 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: at the end of the day is sort of a 14 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: primal fear that we have. And the reason I think 15 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: that is because there are so much literature, children's literature 16 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: that is concerned with this idea. And if you are 17 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: a small child, you are also concerned with it, right 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: because you know that to some extent you are defenseless. 19 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and certainly a small child is a more 20 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: corrective snack to various creatures they would otherwise hesitate to 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: praying a human. Certainly, anyone, anyone who lives in Florida 22 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: knows that the rules concerning alligators that they are more 23 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: likely to eat children whole as well as dogs and whatnot, 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: then they are gonna eat the whole human whole. It's 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: just a more attractive snack. Uh. And and again we 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: we get back to the primordial mindset of humans that 27 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: were not quite at the top of the food chain. 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: There was the possibility things going to eat them. Now 29 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: beaten whole, Well, that's a totally different scenario. And we'll 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: discusses is this podcast rolls on. But but yeah, I 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: could see, you know, definitely where that is. It's a 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: very primal fear. It is a primal fear. You see 33 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: it in Hansel and Gretel, you'll see it in Little 34 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: Red Riding Hood. Um. Last year there were five hundred 35 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: German fairy tales that were unearthed from the eighteen hundreds 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: and um they are very dark, grim like. Actually in 37 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: the same period that Grim wrote The Grim Brothers and 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: when the stories that I think was really interesting U 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: featured a tale of a maiden who escapes a witch 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: by transforming herself into a pond. But then the witch 41 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of just slurps her up and the girl has 42 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: to use a knife to cut her way out of 43 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: the witch. So it's a survival story. And that's what 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: I think is at the really the basis of this 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: swallowed whole idea that death may be imminent, but maybe, 46 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: just maybe you could escape it if you were whole. 47 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Uh, And and certainly it's it's again. It's 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: a trope that comes back again and again in our 49 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: myths and our fictions. Obviously, there's a story of Jonah 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: who's ordered by God to go to the city of Ninevah. 51 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: But Jonah, he was He's a free thinker and then 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: a bit of a coward, so he decided to go 53 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: a different direction and not do what God told him. 54 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: So God sent a storm to destroy his boat, and 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: just to make sure that that the deed got done, 56 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: also sent a whale or a giant fish, depending on 57 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: your you're reading, to swallow him whole. And then of 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: course he lives inside the whale for a little bit, 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: thinks long and hard about what he's done, and eventually 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: the whale frees him. Uh. And then in fiction, we've 61 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: seen various characters that either either wind up in the 62 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: in the belly of a whale, or alive miraculously in 63 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the belly of another terrestrial creature or in an alien creature. 64 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: You see, like, there's Baron von Munchausen, there's myth the Lean, 65 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: There's Pinocchio, There's Little Red Riding Hood, There's Isaac Clark, 66 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: There's Boba Fette, there's hand Solo, there's John Voight in 67 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: the belly of the Konda. Uh. So many, so many 68 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: great family moments of various characters either almost becoming digested 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: or or being partially digested, or just kind of magically 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: held in the stomach of a creature and then eventually escaping. 71 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Generally they escape either through the way that they came 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: in or out the stomach well. And then there's the 73 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: flip side, us as predators, right, we have a bit 74 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: of an obsession with that, or we have in our 75 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: our past cultural histories. And you had mentioned in the 76 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: last podcast um Sideshow Carney's ingesting frog's hole as a trick, 77 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: right to to show to freak out really the audience, 78 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: and then that frog surviving because they can breathe through 79 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: its skin, so it's got some oxygen along with that 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: glass of water in the in the sideshow Carney's body, 81 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: and it can then regurgitate it. Yes, all right, So 82 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: that's just something that I think really arrests our imagination. 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: But turns out that something called stomach frogs and boosom 84 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: snakes and slugs and slugs were a thing back in 85 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: the day, along the late eighteenth century. If you had 86 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: a stray gastric symptom, like you know, flatulence or um, 87 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: I must have stomach snakes lactose intolerance. Before you could 88 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: even identify lactose intolerance, right, you would begin to suspect 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: that you were harboring some sort of creature whole in 90 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: your digestive system. And people began to have these ideas like, well, 91 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was walking home and there's this pond, 92 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: and I was thirsty, and I took a drink from it. 93 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: Surely I swallowed a frog unbannach to me, or maybe 94 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: some frog eggs or some snail eggs or something, and 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: then it ends up hatching in you and then they're 96 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: causing turmoil. And then in some cases there were reports 97 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: where people claimed to have um pooped out live creatures 98 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: and in some cases they would actually have them um 99 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: like in jars and whatnot. And it was it was 100 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: quite a big, big idea and in the time to 101 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: the ex it was creeping into actual medical medical literature 102 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: at the time. Um I did a blog post about 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: this and about one of the positions New York position 104 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: who who actually experimented this by feeding force feeding some 105 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: live slugs to a dog and then uh peeking inside 106 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: and having a little rummage around via surgery to find 107 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: out if this if the slugs were intact, and of 108 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: course the slugs were being broken right, like the surgeon 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: actually made a fistula in the dog's stomach to take 110 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: appear into the stomach ak a whole stomach. Yes, yes, 111 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: because the whole is a is a great way to 112 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: find out what's going on inside of something, be at 113 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: a house or a dog's stomach, or a cow's stomach 114 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: or a human stomach. I mean, that's one of the 115 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: ways we learned about what's going on in there. But 116 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: but in reality, of course, these individuals were not um 117 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: having slugs grow the maturity inside their their guts and 118 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: then crawling out their poop. Shoot, No, they were They were, 119 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, probably they came home from the lake or whatnot, 120 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: and they had maybe there was a slug or a 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: lizard attached to their swimsuit or their clothing. They found 122 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: it in the vicinity of their bathroom or their their garments. 123 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: They put one and two together with this strange stomach 124 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: ache they had. And and then if we've talked about 125 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: with any kind of like paranormal experience, if the story 126 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: is out there, if the storyline is established, it's easier 127 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: to fall into it. So the first person in the 128 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: world to think, oh, my goodness, I bet I swallowed 129 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: some slug eggs and I just pooped them all over 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: the place, that person may have been a bit of 131 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: a nut But like the the the sixth person, the 132 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: fiftie person, the hundred and fiftieth person to come up 133 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: with that, they had the pre existing storyline to fall into, 134 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: so it becomes less and less nutty. Yeah, And I 135 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: was just thinking how that ties into some of the 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: pathos that we've seen with witchcraft or some of the 137 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: myth making that that comes out of that. So, yes, 138 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I fell asleep and an evil snake crawled into or 139 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: slithered its way into my esophagus into my bowels. That's 140 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: an example. I didn't really think that. Um. Yeah. But 141 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: back to the idea of being swallowed whole um. It 142 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Also it also gets into this this idea of of 143 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: almost a desire and a comfort, which I think is 144 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: interesting too, because on one hand, primal fear, nobody really 145 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: wants to be eaten alive. Nobody really certainly wants to 146 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: be eaten whole and partially died, part possibly digested. Um. 147 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: But you do have apparently this thing called voraphilia, which 148 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I was not aware of until I guess it was 149 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: vaguely aware of it to via like the German cannibal trial, 150 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: where we get one individual who was seeking looking for 151 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: that special someone who might want to be eaten, might 152 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: want to be eaten and would have this desire to 153 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: be eaten. But then there's a whole side of it 154 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: that I discovered when I was researching the the winged 155 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: devour creatures from BeastMasters, the ones that wrapped their caps 156 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: from people and melt them down, really cool monsters. Um. 157 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: Check out the blog post on that if you want. 158 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: But but I ended up finding that there there's like 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: a whole section of the Internet devoted to fantasies about them, 160 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: about people sometimes been sell being eaten generally whole by 161 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: some sort of monster or a monstrous person. And it's 162 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: it's very it's very strange. Um. But but so I'm 163 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: trying to wrap my head around it, like, like what 164 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: is it about that? And uh, And it never really 165 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: made sense until I was reading this article that they 166 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: We're going to get into a little more uh. Later 167 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: in the podcast by Ben Shattuck for Salon dot Com 168 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: titled Swallowed by a Whale A True Tale question Mark, 169 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: where he says that he he says this regarding being 170 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: swallowed by whale, says, still, you'd like to think it's possible, 171 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: you want to believe in an animal that can fit 172 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: you inside them, that you might be consumed, not piece 173 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: by piece, mouthful by mouthful, as sharks and bears would 174 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: eat you, but wholly, to be encased as your full 175 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: self womb like, so returning to the womb. And it's 176 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: kind of a return to the womb. It's kind of like, 177 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the idea of being eaten alive, 178 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: eaten whole by a monster. He's kind of like a 179 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: big hug. Now that's one of the types of for 180 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: I feel you, that's the kind of the kinder, softer 181 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: side of it. There are other types that aren't quite 182 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: as Yeah, it's there's a whole l it's the Internet, 183 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: so there's a whole dark corridor to vanish down if 184 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: you so choose. But now that's that's not the reason 185 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: why we wanted to take you here. We wanted to 186 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: take you here because we do think that at the 187 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: core of this idea is this interest in like, what 188 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: about being swallowed whole? What about escaping death? What about 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: returning to lum in a sense as well? And what 190 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: extent is it possible? To what extent has it actually happened? Uh, 191 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: it's fascinating, um, fascinating area of discussion. And of course 192 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: we have to turn to animals that actually swallow their 193 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: prey alive and in many times whole to actually get 194 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: a beat on this subject. And that's the thing because obviously, 195 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: when when you or I eat things, we tend to chew. 196 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: We tend to We've just done an entire podcast about 197 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: about smelling our food, tasting our food, and then chewing 198 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: it up and transforming the food into uh, into a 199 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: parcel that can be then sent through the rest of 200 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: the justice system. So there are various creatures that don't 201 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: do as much chewing. There are creatures that don't do 202 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, any chewing for the most part. But cows 203 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: on the opposite spectrum, by the way, choose something like 204 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: sixty shoes a day and have like three stomachs. Well, 205 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 1: they've got the room in then yeah, I don't know, 206 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know research cows for this one. 207 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: So if you're thinking, hollis, what is the opposite of 208 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: swallowing something? Hole is a cow? Yeah it's steady, yeah, 209 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: steady digesting and chewing and process that goes on there. 210 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: But you look at some of these other creatures like 211 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: snakes off and consume prey whole. Though, don't get your 212 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: hopes too high, because pythons, for instance, killed before eating. 213 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: There is an advantage to be had in killing something 214 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: before you swallow it um and if nothing else, is 215 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: just easier to the creature. Take like for instans, owls. Owls, 216 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: you know they'll eat their prey whole, but they have 217 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: these powerful beaks and uh, it's I'm quite a challenge 218 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: to get past that powerful killing beak to make it 219 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: down into the rest of the owl hole. Um Likewise, 220 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: crocodiles may swell pray hole, but then they'll also chop 221 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: them up pretty good. I was looking at some rather 222 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: horrifying photos of of supposedly, Again you never know what 223 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: the Internet, and certainly when you start looking into accounts 224 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: of people being eaten by animals and being eaten whole, 225 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: there's a whole world of hoax out there that you 226 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: have to deal with. But I saw some some photographs 227 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: supposedly of crocodile's stomach, a nile crocodile which do eat 228 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: humans on a fairly regular basis, and they've cut it open, 229 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: and there were some pieces of of what appeared to 230 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: be human there, and it was not at one piece. 231 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: Sharks obviously, as Mary Road points out in her book Gulp, 232 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: they can and do eat like three turtles at once, 233 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: it's possible. But they're also pretty famous for their smiles, 234 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: and they're not above In fact, they seem to relish 235 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: chewing up their food to some extent before it goes 236 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: down the whole. But then there is the the big one, 237 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: the one that of course has mentioned in the December 238 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: song at the start of this podcast, and the one 239 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: that we're gonna spend the most time with, and that 240 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: is the idea of the whale. This is, after all, 241 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: this is the creature that supposedly swallowed both Noah and Pinocchio. 242 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a big deal, especially when you 243 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: consider the kind of food that are found in well 244 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: whales bellies. I mean it's it's basically like a fish 245 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: market in a belly when you cut these guys open. Yeah, specifically, 246 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: um of the sperm whale is the big one here, 247 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: because the sperm whale is eating fairly large prey. We're 248 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: talking man size squid, we're talking sharks, we're talking bucket 249 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: loads of fish, coconuts, what have you showing up in 250 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: their stomach. And certainly the sperm whale exists on a 251 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: scale that dwarfs human. We're talking like a male sperm 252 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: whale may weigh up to forty five tons that's and 253 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: it maybe fifty two ft or sixteen meters long. I mean, 254 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: it's just a scale of a living creature that dwarfs 255 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: us so enormously. Like the idea of being consumed by 256 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: a whole is even more powerful, well, you know, especially 257 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: when you when you consider like, you know, sixteen of 258 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: us could just hang out in the mouth, you know, 259 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: side by side, waving at each other. Um. And also 260 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: if you consider that in nineteen fifty five, a four 261 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds squid measuring six six six ft 262 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: six inches minus the tentacles was recovered intact from a 263 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: sperm whale. Yes, because look at that and you say, wow, 264 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: like this, couldn't you just have a human in there? Yeah, 265 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: because here's the thing with the with the with the 266 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: sperm whale, as in evidence by the by that large 267 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: squid whole in its stomach. They feed by suction a 268 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: lot of the times there're sucking the food down. Now, 269 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: they do have some jaws as well. We're talking to 270 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: twenty six banana shaped teeth on the lower jaw to 271 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: fit into sockets in the upper jaw and uh. And 272 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: these things are used to choose some stuff up. They 273 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: don't always always chew them up. And you have to 274 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: consider too that the squid is a Bonleus creature, right, 275 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: So that's what you see to swallow. The only thing 276 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: be in the beak, which we'll get to, which is 277 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: really interesting. Um. So yeah, let's get into this territory 278 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: of what if what could you be swallowed by a whale? 279 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: What would the conditions have to be in order for 280 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: you to survive? Is it a myth? Or is it possible? Yes? 281 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Then this is this is uh. This topic has been 282 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: explored both by Mary Roach and her book Goal, but 283 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: also in this excellent Salon article by Ben Shattuck Swallowed 284 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: by a whale a true tale question mark. And so 285 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: there have been a lot of stories over the years 286 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: about people being swallowed by a whale, particularly out of 287 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: the period in um in particularly American history, where a 288 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: whaling was big medicine. Because this is where and even 289 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: looking back on it, you can say, if there's a 290 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: potential for this animal to swallow a human hole, this 291 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: is it. Because as we mentioned, UH, the m whale 292 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: is not really interested in eating um, you know, hairless 293 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: apes like ourselves as they fall off of ships. It's 294 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: concerned with with eating deep and eating squid, eating sharks 295 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: and what have you. We're not their food. But if 296 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: you put you have an environment here where humans are 297 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: actively hunting down sperm whales uh and trying to kill them, 298 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: and then the whale retaliated is retaliating. It is and 299 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: is no, slouch is quite a deadly creature, uh, in 300 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: in these encounters. So you end up with these these 301 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: encounters like you see and read about in Moby Dick, 302 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: like you see in a thousand different whaling m illustrations, 303 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: where you have men in boats just battling the sperm 304 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: whale and you see people just falling all over the place, 305 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: falling into the open mouths of whales. Well, you also 306 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: have whales who are breaching the water and then you know, 307 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: chomping down on the whole of a ship. Okay, so 308 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: this is a possibility, and this this has happened. But 309 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: of course, when you get these accounts, and let's say 310 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: that you have an unlucky crew member who happens to 311 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: be right there at that time, I'm that person is 312 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: going to fall into the mouth right or or be 313 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: part of just the wreckage and uh you know, maybe 314 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: maybe they escape the mouth and they tell tale of it. 315 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: But being in a whale's mouth is very different than 316 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: being in a whale's gut. Yes, now, one of the 317 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: more amusing stories, and this is bogus, by the way, 318 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: but it made the rounds pretty big for for a 319 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: brief period. As the star of the east. The sub 320 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: vessels bothically sailing around the Falkland islands and uh, you know, 321 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: some some bad stuff happens, and someone ends up falling 322 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: into a whale's mouth it's from west mouth and uh, 323 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: and ends up in the stomach, and then it then escapes. 324 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: The stomach is eventually sped us spat out, and it's 325 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: his skin is bleached white from the stomach acids, and 326 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: he's he's somewhat horrified and shaken, as you might imagine, 327 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: but he lives and everyone goes gaga over the story. 328 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: But then it comes out that it was just it 329 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: was made up. It was a hoax perpetrated by some 330 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: whitlers well. And one of the reasons why we know 331 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: as a hoax is because the four stomach does not 332 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: have gastric juices lulling about it, or rather, there's some 333 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: question about what to what degree there would be stomach acids. 334 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: So this idea that he would be ejected from it 335 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: bleached is pretty erroneous. Well, on that note, let's take 336 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: a quick break and when we come back, more of 337 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: this adventure inside of the whale's stomach again, we're talking 338 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: about the idea Canna can a sperm whale swallow a 339 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: human hoole? Can I swallow a man hole? If it 340 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: was gonna happen, It was gonna happen during the heyday 341 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: of whaling, when you had nine battling sperm whales to 342 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: the death out in the middle of the ocean. As 343 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: all the art illustrates, you have people falling into their mouths, 344 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: falling into the water around them with his giant jaw 345 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: thrashing about. Well in in his article for Salon Ben 346 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: Shattuck he actually visited the new Bedford Whaling Museum research Library, 347 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: and he was looking into all these accounts of whale deaths, 348 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: situations where crew members died because of a whale, and 349 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these were caused by whale on boat 350 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: ash action or especially the thrashing of the of the 351 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: giants flukes the tail fins as they thrash out of 352 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: the water. We've all seen pictures of the of the 353 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: tail of the whale coming out of the water, and 354 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: it's and this is a an enormous thing. Again, these 355 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: are these things away tons, These are behemoths, these are 356 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: well more to the point, these are le viathans and 357 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: uh and they can and do crush boats when they're 358 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: in close proximity to them when they're breaching the water. Well. 359 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Of course, you have the cartoons too of people being 360 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: swallowed whole and then being ejected out of the blowhole. 361 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's this idea of just being sent through 362 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: the digestive system of the whale is pretty deeply entrenched 363 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: in our cultural fabric. Yeah. And then some people were 364 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: chomped by these by by the job and the jaws 365 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: moving on. The job does have teeth, And there's some 366 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: pretty gruesome accounts of this, but one particular Edmund Gardner, 367 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: and I'll try to include I'll try to put a 368 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: photograph of this up on the website when this episode airs, 369 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: because there's a there's a fairly famous photo of him, 370 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: and he's sitting there in his black and white photo. 371 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's sitting there in his chair posing, uh, 372 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: and you can clearly see that one of his hands 373 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: is just a stump, like a just a mangled stump 374 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: with no fingers on it, and that is due to 375 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: a whale light he fell in uh and uh nearly died. Yeah. 376 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: And again, you know, these stories get circulated as being 377 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: swallowed by the sale and what we're talking about here semantics, 378 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: because if someone were to be in the mouth, yes, 379 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: they could escaped from the mouth, hopefully with their lives intact, 380 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: but not again be digested. And that's where you see 381 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: this idea being taken for granted, like you could be 382 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: swallowed by a whale. Yeah. And again it comes back 383 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: to this idea that it is such a compelling story. 384 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: It's such a compelling idea. I was swallowed whole, and 385 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: then I was in a way that you know, I 386 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: returned to the womb, and then I was born again 387 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: out of the whale stomach, out of the sharks by 388 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: a whale. Yeah, because we both ran across this one 389 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: story as we were researching this where of course we're 390 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: doing all these Google searches and and uh and you know, 391 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: academic article searches for swallowed alive by and then throwing 392 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: in shark and whale and muskrat or whatever we happen 393 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: to be looking for. And uh. And there was a 394 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: story from a couple of years back. I think, um 395 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: that made the rounds, I want to say, in the 396 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: Telegraph or one of the major British guardian Guardian, I 397 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: think and uh in the headline was something to the 398 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: effect of man partially swallowed hole by shark, which which 399 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: it was. You know, they at least knew better than 400 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: to say in the headline that he was swallowed hole, 401 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: because the whole story was he was in he was 402 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: sort of partially in a shark's mouth for a little 403 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: bit being chomped on, and then he escaped. And not 404 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: to discount that that's a miracco's story, Like that is 405 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the kind of thing where you that incident defines your life, 406 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: um for the duration I was in a shark's mouth 407 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: and I didn't die completely, um, but they had to. 408 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: They felt like they had to dress it up and 409 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: at least tease the possibility that he was swallowed whole. Well. 410 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: And what I love about Ben Shaddock's article in Salon 411 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: is that he takes on, uh, not just the research 412 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: of like you know, is it's plausible, but this the 413 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: imaginary realm of like what would this look like if 414 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: it actually happened, If circumstances were perfect and you somehow 415 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: were able to get past those those gnashing teeth right, 416 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: and somehow you didn't asphyxiate, you know it, with a 417 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: lack of oxygen as you traveled into the belly. What 418 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: would it look like if you're in the fourth stomach, 419 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: drawing on his article in Salon, drawing a little bit 420 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: on Mary Roach's book Gulp, which is again is excellent 421 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: and everyone should pick that up, and also drawing on 422 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: a little outside research and our own imaginations, let's go 423 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: through that journey. Let's let's imagine being consumed by a whale. Now, 424 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: the first thing, of course, of course, is we have 425 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: to think about those teeth again. We have to get 426 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: past those teeth without having any of ourselves torn away, 427 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: And then we have to be sucked down that esophagus, 428 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: which in Shattuck's article he describes this way, says, imagine 429 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: a black and mucous smothered tube, socks slipping over you 430 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: suck down into the holding bag holding bag, the four 431 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: stomach of the sperm whale. That's right, we're talking about 432 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: seven feet long by three feet wide, shaped like a 433 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: big egg. Uh. He says that there will be lots 434 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: of other things in there. You would likely be joined 435 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: by squid, but a coconut or shark might come to 436 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: Most squid that sperm whales swallow are bioluminescent. The neon 437 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: flying squid is a favorite. So no time at all, 438 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: you'd be bathing in a pool of phosphorescence, a slew 439 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: of green yellow light winking around you, like you were 440 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 1: standing in a field in Maine come July when all 441 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: the fireflies are sparking up. The rest would be black, 442 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: very black. That's beautiful. It's beautiful, and it's uh. First 443 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: of all, it brings to mind us something to marry. 444 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: Roach I mentioned in her book the blanket effect. She's 445 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: talking about some experiments to see whether worms can eat 446 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: their way out of the belly of a sale lizard 447 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: or frog or a snake that has consumed it. And 448 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: they talk about the blanket effect where the animal is 449 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: so it's again kind of hugged by being swallowed alive 450 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: and kind of goes into a comatose state. Um so, 451 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: and so I can't help but think of like the 452 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: hug machine, uh and and just the feeling of the 453 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: cozy feeling being wrapped up in a blanket. Um except 454 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: of course, this would be a mucous covered stomach that 455 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: is holding it with some serious contraction strength. Yeah, I think, 456 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: but unlike the like the scene in Pinocchio, it wouldn't 457 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: be this vast chamber that is more or less the 458 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: size of the whale in which you could set up 459 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: shop on a little you know, floating dany, have a tin, 460 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: cook food and have conversations or strangle um a you know, 461 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: a hated enemy to death inside the belly of the 462 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: We'll get to that part in a bit. But the 463 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: interesting thing about the fourth stomach is that there's there's 464 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: no acid present present, or that's the predominant theory right now. 465 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: So I was looking around in a number of websites 466 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: that are really into the idea of Joan in the whale. Uh, 467 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 1: really lashed onto this idea because I mean, I love 468 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: the story of Joan in the Whale. It's one of 469 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: the great stories to come out of Judeo Christian beliefs. 470 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: But as always, there there are some people who want 471 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: to have a very literal interpretation of these, uh, these 472 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: iconic tales, and so they look for ways that science 473 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: and religion can line up. And so we found this 474 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: fabulous diagram of a sperm whale's stomach that shows although 475 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: the different layers of the four stomach, the main stomach, 476 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: et cetera. And then you see the icon the outline 477 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: the silhouette of a little boy in prayer in the 478 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: fourth stomach to show this is where Jonah wound up. 479 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: This is where he hung out and prayed for prayed 480 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: to God, and then God eventually it all right, You're 481 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: you're all right, Jonah, you can you can go free. 482 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: And then he's he spat out of the whale um, 483 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: which you know, it's certainly if there's a place that 484 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: you're going to remain whole inside of a sperm whale 485 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: and and have a long hard you know, think about 486 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: what you've done, Like that's where it's going to happen. 487 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: But as Mary Roach points out, in gulp um, there's 488 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of stuff competing for your attention there, 489 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: and uh, it's going to be pretty greesome. Yeah, I mean, 490 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: essentially it is a large area and it does seem 491 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: to be devoid of gastric juices. But you would be 492 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: smashed because if you look at this diagram, you see 493 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: that the little holding tank to that four stomach as 494 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: a tiny little tunnel leading to the other stomach chambers. 495 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: Something you're gonna go, right, if you're gonna go through 496 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: that that tunnel to those other ones, you're gonna get 497 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: smashed to pieces. Now, Mary Roach had said she couldn't 498 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: figure out what the stomach pressure of those contractions would 499 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: be in a sperm whale, but she did have information 500 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: from French naturalist Renee you are, and he conducted an 501 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: experiment on a small raptor, and he found that the 502 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: only material that emerged from the from the gizzard uncrushed 503 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: was lead tubes that could withstand five hundred pounds of pressure. 504 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: So this gives you an idea of the contraction strength 505 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: and a small raptor. But what about in a sperm 506 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: whale just much larger and swallowing things whole and having 507 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: to really use a ton of pressure to get through 508 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: that tiny, tiny little tunnel to the other chambers. Yeah, 509 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: because the the muscular walls inside that four stomach three 510 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: inches thick. This is that you were. You were inside 511 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: the crush zone. It is just because the whale didn't 512 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: chew you with its teeth. Uh, don't don't get excited, 513 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: because you're about to be chewed with the fourth stomach. 514 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: The four stomach is gonna ground you up into a 515 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: small enough pieces that can pass into the main stomach. 516 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: You know, this would make for a great haunted house. Yeah, 517 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: these little chambers of digestion, don't you think it would? 518 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: It gets h you know it. It's pretty bad, pretty quick. 519 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: So obviously, if you're going to pass from the four 520 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: stomach to the main stomach, um, you're not going to 521 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: be alive for the main stomach. Assuming you miraculously made 522 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: it to the four stomach, then it's just gonna be 523 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: a slurry and chunks to make it to the main 524 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: So in the main stomach, this is where the acid 525 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: comes into play. This is where stuff will be broken 526 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: down even more into a into a dissolving mass. This 527 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: is where you're gonna have more and more enzymes and 528 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: more and more liquification of your former body. Yeah. This 529 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: this is where Shatic, in his description of trying to 530 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: survive being swallowed whole, sort of seeds to well, this 531 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: is the part where you become liquid goo. In his explanation, 532 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: he says that liquidated you would ooze into the intestine 533 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: and eventually leave the whale as excrement, floating out of 534 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: the anus and into the cold deep ocean, dissolving still 535 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: further until you have become so small as debris. But 536 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: you were indistinguishable from the ocean itself. You would lap 537 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: against whaling ships looking for whales, which is which is 538 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: really the most beautiful description of a man to whale 539 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: poop transformation I've ever read. Now. Now, of course, there 540 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: are things that do not digest entirely inside of a 541 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: sperm whales digestion system in the same way there are 542 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: things that don't that don't digest completely in our own systems, 543 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: one of which is the beak of the squid. There's 544 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: a lot of these giant squid gulps him down, sucks 545 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: him down whole in some cases. But but that beat 546 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: doesn't really go away all that easily. No, And what 547 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: it does is it passes through the whales intestines wholly, 548 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: other bones to write of other creatures. And along the 549 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: way it's screeched the intestinal line in creating scar tissue, 550 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: which is then passed in a new form called ambergeese. Yes. 551 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: And this is the precious commodity that is uh that 552 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: is often sought after by by perfumest Yeah, it is 553 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: the precious actually, and that is the because it is 554 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: about six dollars per pound to purchase and use in perfume. 555 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: And it turns out that Egyptians burned it as incense. 556 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: So the idea here that Shaddock puts forth is that, okay, sure, 557 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: now you've passed through the digestive system and your bones 558 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: are helping to create, uh, you know, one of the 559 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: most beautiful smells on earth in the form of this ambergeese. 560 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: And that wouldn't be too bad at least there's a 561 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: silver lining right to to your your your crushing death 562 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: inside the fourth stomach and then your continue digestion in 563 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: the main stomach and beyond. Yeah, you've contributed to genite. 564 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: That's a joke by Perkingum probably Shanel number five or 565 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, something along those lines. Um. But 566 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: you know that that the ambergas also joins the cats 567 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: of it, right the gland the anal glands of the 568 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: cats of it, which is also you just imperfume. So 569 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: there you go. Out of out of darkness comes a 570 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: light always always um, all right, So I have a 571 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: question for you. Would you rather be swallowed whole by 572 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: you're us this? I think a vulture, a human, or 573 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: a penguin. Well, um, these would have to be pretty 574 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: big penguins and they would have to be Okay, imagine 575 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: that you either shrink yourself down or the penguin just 576 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: can miniaturize. Okay, we menatorize, and uh, and I'm going 577 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: to be eaten whole by one of these creatures. Well 578 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm from well, from reading Mary Roach's book, I know 579 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: that the penguin is supposedly the preferred method of death 580 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: here bingo, because it's kind of like a chronic suspension 581 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: down there. Yes, that's that's a that's a great description 582 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: of it. Because penguins have to travel a long distance 583 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: back to feed they're young, they essentially use their stomachs 584 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: as a freezer to transport it, so they lower the 585 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: temperature and their stomachs and this this geese is digestion. Well, 586 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: as long as I have a way to cease my 587 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: need for breath, I guess I'm good. Because that's another 588 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: big thing that most of these, most of our dreams 589 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: and nightmares of of whole consumption by us some sort 590 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: of enormous predator forget, is that we do have to breathe, 591 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: and uh, and we need our air and how are 592 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: we going to get it inside the belly of a monster? 593 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: We mentioned the frogs earlier, Like the old Carney trick, 594 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: of you swallow a frog along with a bunch of water, 595 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: and then within a very short period of time and 596 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, in other words, the the amount of time 597 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: between you swallowing the frog and spitting them up during 598 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: your carnival act. The frog is able to live inside 599 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: your stomach because the frog, uh pretty durable to begin with, 600 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: this cut coded and productive slime, and also breathe through 601 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: its skin sort of the oxygen from the water. But 602 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: but you and I we cannot do that, so we 603 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: would kind of be up a creek inside the belly 604 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: of just about anything, be it, uh, the chili guts 605 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: of a penguin or the phosphorescent crushing beauty of the 606 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: sperm whales. Four stomach It's true, it's not a feat 607 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: to try. Actually, yeah, well, on that note, let's close 608 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: out our discussion of sperm whales with just a little 609 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: more from the Mariners Revenge song by the Simbrist off 610 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: the album Pigaresque. Don't know how I survived the crew 611 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: all was due to live. I must have slipped between 612 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: his teeth. But oh, what providence, what divine intelligence that 613 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: you should survive as well as made it is my 614 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: eye great try to see your green clothes, and I 615 00:33:51,280 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: will whisper the last where and I of how on 616 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: that song he he does mention that he that he 617 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: had to get past the teeth like that most of 618 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: the sailors were crushed up or didn't make it that far, 619 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: but only two of them actually wound up in the 620 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: belly of the whale. You know, this is a song 621 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: that I love to read the lyrics, um better than 622 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: I Actually, I like to listen to the song, and 623 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: the song is wonderful and actually I think you should 624 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: put headphones on listen to it. Um. It's it's an 625 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: epic length song. But it is such a good story. 626 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: It's such a it seems like such a nautical tale 627 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: brought to life by the December. Yeah, I mean, because 628 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: it begins it's a story told by one man to 629 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: another inside the belly of a whale, with secret identities 630 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: and play and longstanding um, you know, vengeance in the works. 631 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: It's it's it's got all the cliches in and it's 632 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: told in such a fresh way that anyway, I love 633 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: it every time I take a gainder at it or listen. Alright, well, 634 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: on that note, let's uh, let's call the robot over 635 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: here and just do just a quick you know, one 636 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: or two listener mail. Bring no more to me, robot, 637 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: just one or two. All right, here's a little bit 638 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: of listener mail um coming to us from Stephanie. And 639 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: this is cool because this one is about our episode 640 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: about regurgitation, so it kind of ties into what we're 641 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: talking about here, she says. Hi, Julian Robert, I have 642 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: to say, as everyone does, I absolutely love the podcast. 643 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: You guys get me through a night after night of 644 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: mindless sweeping and mopping at the kennel I work at. 645 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm writing in response to the Regurgitation Celebration podcast. I 646 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: love that you guys mentioned vultures because I have a 647 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: soft spot in my heart for these amazing creatures. I 648 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: did an internship and Slash volunteered at a nonprofit Raptor 649 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: Rehabilitation and Education center for three years, and they had 650 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: two turkey vultures that were unreleasable due to injuries. You 651 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: know this of course often the case. They'll have their 652 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: their wings don't work anymore. They can't really live their 653 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: lives in the natural world anymore, but they can be 654 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: a part of you know, they can live here peacefully, 655 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: and they can be part of an educational UM, an 656 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: opportunity UM. She continues, while one of them got used 657 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: to me coming in cleaning every day, the other named 658 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: a Dante, which I also, of course, did not every day, 659 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: No matter how gently and quietly I tried to enter 660 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: the enclosure, Dante's reaction was to hawk up a nice 661 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: steaming pile of vomit. I must say, even after three 662 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: years and a whole mess of repulsive odors, there is 663 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,479 Speaker 1: still nothing I've encountered quite as repulsive as vulture puke. 664 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: If I were a predator and had vulture vomit land 665 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: anywhere near me, I would definitely high tail it out 666 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: of their A S A P. Just as you said, Robert, 667 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: it really is a magnificent defense mechanism, and while most 668 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: may disagree, I find them absolutely beautiful. I would fully 669 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: support a podcaster or two about the amazing behaviors or 670 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: adaptations in the raptor world, like the awesome vulture, though 671 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: not really a bird of prey. Keep doing the fan 672 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: fascinating podcast, you guys do fondest regards. Stephanie from Connecticut. 673 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: I love that firsthand account of vulture vomit right there. Yeah, indeed, 674 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: that's a that's a great that's a great little story there. 675 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: And uh and yeah, there were a lot of fascinating 676 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: raptors out there. I don't know if I've taught much recently, 677 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: but I do love the Lambur Guyers. The Lambur Guyers 678 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: probably my one of my favorite, haven't recently the one 679 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: that drops bones from high altitudes under rocks. All right, Well, 680 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: there you have it. Uh, if you have any thoughts 681 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: you would like to share with us about regurgitation, about vultures, 682 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: about Lambur Guyers, or more to the point, about sperm 683 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: whales eating humans alive, about any other animal eating people alive, 684 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: people being swallowed whole. Um, you're looking at me kind 685 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: of concerned. Uh no, And I'm just gonna say, but 686 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: not people eating people, right right, that's that's a totally 687 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: different podcast. That would be incriminating, none of that. But 688 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: certainly any stories of of monsters eating people whole. I mean, 689 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: it's uh that we that we should mention in pop 690 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: culture and fiction and myth etcetera. We'd love to share 691 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: that with everyone. If you have thoughts on the the 692 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: sperm whale journey that we have presented with you, here 693 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: let us know about that as well. Where can you 694 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: find us? 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