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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you our guest. Simon Bound is a clinical hypnotherapist, author,

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Speaker 2: host of podcasts The Alien UFO podcast in Our Paranormal Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: He's certified in Past life Regression therapy as a Diploma

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Speaker 2: in Clinical Hypnotherapy. Simon has guided hundreds through past life

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Speaker 2: regression sessions. His website is linked up at Coast tocoastdam

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Speaker 2: dot com and his new work is called Verify Near

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Speaker 2: Death Experiences Proof of an Eighth Afterlife. Simon, Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the program.

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Speaker 1: How have you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been great. It's exciting to talk to you. Glad

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Speaker 3: to be here.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in near death experiences?

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Speaker 3: Well, I read the first.

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Speaker 4: The first book I read about it was in the

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Speaker 4: early nineteen eighties when I read Raymond Moody's book Life

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Speaker 4: After Life, which was published nineteen seventy six, and I

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Speaker 4: was absolutely fascinated by this phenomena.

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Speaker 3: And ever since then.

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Speaker 4: I've been reading books about it, just chasing as much

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Speaker 4: information as I can.

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Speaker 2: Raymond Moody's work has touched a lot of our lives,

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Speaker 2: hasn't it. Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I've been lucky to have him on my podcast

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Speaker 4: a couple of times, and it's great to talk to.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've got a great book out that just came

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Speaker 2: out recently, didn't Yeah.

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Speaker 3: March twenty fourth.

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Speaker 2: What criteria did you use when you tried to verify

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Speaker 2: these near death experiences?

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Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to have it so that if somebody, say,

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Speaker 4: dies on the operating table and they're hooked up to

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Speaker 4: these devices, so they know their heart stopped, the brain

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Speaker 4: is flat lined, and then when they're resuscitated they described

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Speaker 4: what happened, Well, their brain was flat lined and there's

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Speaker 4: no way they could have had consciousness at that point.

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Speaker 4: So they talk about seeing these things from being up

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Speaker 4: at the ceiling and being very, very aware, so it's

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Speaker 4: not like dream like or hallucinations. So what they see

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Speaker 4: is verified by people who did those things while this

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Speaker 4: person was dead, and they know this person's was dead

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Speaker 4: while it happened. And also people see things that are

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Speaker 4: in another part of the hospital or miles away from

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Speaker 4: the hospital that are verified, and this suggests consciousness leaves

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Speaker 4: the body and can travel and see things. So it's

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Speaker 4: I've always looked for these thirty cases in the book

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Speaker 4: having this strong verification.

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Speaker 2: Simon, did your work convince you and change your mind

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Speaker 2: at all about the afterlife?

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Speaker 4: It has over time, over the decades, I've had my

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Speaker 4: own experiences and read so many books, and now I've

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Speaker 4: talked to so many people on my podcasts. It was

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Speaker 4: a kind of a gradual thing because you're still skeptical,

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Speaker 4: you still have doubts, but eventually it's just overwhelming the evidence.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just near death experiences.

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Speaker 4: It's children with past life memories and stuff that comes

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Speaker 4: through mediums and deathbed visions and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: Of these thirty cases, and I assume most of them

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Speaker 2: were all about the same and that was probably phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Which one stands out.

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Speaker 3: For you, Well, they're all great.

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Speaker 4: There's one with a guy called tib Or put Noki,

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Speaker 4: a Hungarian man, and there are several incidents in his

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Speaker 4: near death experience which were verified. And what happened with

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Speaker 4: him he went into hospital with really high blood pressure,

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Speaker 4: This is fantastic, and he didn't know it was his

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Speaker 4: And he said what he said in this nurses room,

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Speaker 4: Has he ever been to your apartment and she never

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Speaker 4: that's one of my favorite cases in the book. But

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Speaker 4: I feel all the cases in the book are this strong.

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Speaker 2: Of the thirty cases you use, simon, how many cases

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Speaker 2: did you go through that you did not use.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've talked to a lot of people on my podcast.

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Speaker 3: So the majority of the people in.

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Speaker 2: Did you learn anything yourself about the afterlife after your work?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it came to be obvious that the life review

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Speaker 4: is I don't just describe the verification events. I described

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Speaker 4: If anything, you might have spirit guides with you and

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Speaker 4: was really interesting because I've heard life reviews before and

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Speaker 2: Simon, did you set up your work as almost a

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Speaker 2: How did you go about verifying some of the information, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's just talking to the near death experiences and they

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Speaker 4: No? No, I mean there's one guy in my book.

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Speaker 4: he said, the hallucinations and the near death experience are

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Speaker 2: Did you any conclusion, Simon that what these people were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's because they would meet spiritual beings, they would

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Speaker 4: meet deceased loved ones. It would change them so much,

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Speaker 4: and it's so intense what they experience some of them

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Speaker 4: millions of souls and that they're all connected, and that

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Speaker 4: out again, and it's this massive ball of life and love.

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Speaker 4: much more powerful than the love we experience on this planet.

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Speaker 4: So I see a lot spiritual stuff in there, and

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Speaker 4: people learn so much about themselves and about others while

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Speaker 3: It is a very spiritual experience.

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Speaker 2: Death Experiences, Proof of an Afterlife. What do you say

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Speaker 2: that scientists or doctors, Simon, who say these people are

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Speaker 2: going through some kind of neurological or chemical process, there's

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Speaker 2: something wrong. They're not really dying because there is no afterlife.

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Speaker 4: I find that some of these scientists who may say

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Speaker 4: this are experts in their fields. They may be neuroscientists,

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Speaker 4: and they know so much about that, but they haven't

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Speaker 4: studied near death experiences, and they're trying to transfer the

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Speaker 4: skills to near death experiences when they don't know anything

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Speaker 4: about them. When you have the cases like in my book,

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Speaker 4: where these things are verified, how can you say it's

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Speaker 4: something that's happening in the brain that's local to their

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Speaker 4: body when there are so many instances of things verified

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Speaker 4: that's nowhere near their body, whether it is just another

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Speaker 4: part of the hospital or miles from where their body is.

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Speaker 4: It's what they're saying is happening. Is also this person

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Speaker 4: as super esp that they can psychically, you know, remote

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Speaker 4: view what's going around as well as having their brain

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Speaker 4: shutting down. It just doesn't make sense. And also doctors

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Speaker 4: talk about this tunnel of light that near death experiences

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Speaker 4: talk about and say that actually this is due to

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Speaker 4: a lack of oxygen in the blood and that their

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Speaker 4: vision is shutting down and so their peripheral vision is

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Speaker 4: closing down and all they see is what's right in

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Speaker 4: front of them, and it looks like a tunnel of light.

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Speaker 4: But actually the tunnel experience that people have in a

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Speaker 4: near death experience is nothing like that, and also it's

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Speaker 4: only fifteen or twenty percent of people who have a

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Speaker 4: near death experience also have the tunnel experience. And when

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Speaker 4: I talk to doctor Bruce Grayson's a real expert on NDEs,

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Speaker 4: he said he talked to two people who had the

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Speaker 4: peripheral vision shut down and then had the tunnel experience afterwards,

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Speaker 4: and they're completely different things.

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Speaker 2: Did all of the thirty case members leave their bodies?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, yeah, I mean even there's one in there

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Speaker 4: from nineteen eleven, and that guy describes a near death

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Speaker 4: experience pretty much exactly as it's described today. And if

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Speaker 4: maybe they just look down on their body in the

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Speaker 4: same room, that's their experience. Or maybe they traveled maybe

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Speaker 4: some say they traveled the universe with a spirit guide,

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Speaker 4: others say they just went to another part of the hospital.

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Speaker 3: But yes, all out of body experiences.

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Speaker 2: What have you concluded, Simon about the afterlife based on

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Speaker 2: this work?

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Speaker 4: I feel that the afterlife is so big and so

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Speaker 4: complicated and so strange that we can't understand it as

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Speaker 4: we are. I feel that the near death experience is

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Speaker 4: not the afterlife as much as perhaps a halfway house,

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Speaker 4: or I like to call it the theater of the

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Speaker 4: near death experience because it's all constructed for that person

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Speaker 4: and tailored to them perfectly. And then I feel that

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Speaker 4: when we die, we go to a place where that's

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Speaker 4: familiar to us to acclimatize us to the afterlife, and

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Speaker 4: we stay there as long as we need to, and

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Speaker 4: we might have a human body there, and after some

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Speaker 4: time we might start feeling.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I don't really need this body. I

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Speaker 3: can move on from here now.

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Speaker 4: And also there are seems to be spaces where there

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Speaker 4: are what you might call lost souls who are in

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Speaker 4: a dark space and they move on eventually into the light.

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Speaker 4: But then what happens after that acclimatization, I think we

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Speaker 4: can't really know. People talk about how they they think

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Speaker 4: so much faster. It's like once they're released from the

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Speaker 4: physical brain, they're intellect it's so much better. Their sight,

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Speaker 4: they're hearing everything is a million times better than when

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Speaker 4: they're stuck in their physical body. It's like their brain

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Speaker 4: is a reducing valve.

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Speaker 2: Do these cases change your views or strengthen them?

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Speaker 4: I'd say strengthen them because I've been doing this podcast

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Speaker 4: since twenty eighteen and reading the books for decades, so

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Speaker 4: I pretty much knew it all inside out, and it's going.

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Speaker 4: Writing this book just strengthen them, really and it becomes

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Speaker 4: so obvious. And that's why I call it proof of

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Speaker 4: an afterlife on the book and not evidence of an afterlife.

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Speaker 4: It's this kind of thing that's enough proof for me.

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Speaker 4: There are some people who say, well, if science hasn't

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Speaker 4: proved it, then it can't be real, or we can

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Speaker 4: only suspect its trail.

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Speaker 3: But we all have a own proof.

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Speaker 2: Did anybody simon of these new death experiences experience anything hellish?

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Speaker 4: Not in my book, but I have talked to people

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Speaker 4: who've had those experiences, and it's not something I avoided

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Speaker 4: for my book. There is a guy in there called

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Speaker 4: George Ritchie. His experience was nineteen forty two, and he

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Speaker 4: talks about going to a place where there was a

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Speaker 4: city in what he called twenty four hour war production,

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Speaker 4: and all these people were really kind of closed down and.

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Speaker 3: Just focused on what they were doing.

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Speaker 4: But then there also seemed to be spirits who were

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Speaker 4: trying to interact with them and were desperate for interaction

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Speaker 4: where they could drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes and trying

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Speaker 4: to get this kind of physical feeling, and they seem

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Speaker 4: so sad and perhaps violent, and that really didn't seem

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Speaker 4: like a nice place. But at the same time, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't so bad like it was hell, fire and damnation

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Speaker 4: and demon and he found that eventually those people would

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Speaker 4: move on from that space.

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Speaker 2: The devil didn't come and try to take him away.

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Speaker 4: Huh no, no, but he was there with his spirit

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Speaker 4: guide on a tour.

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Speaker 3: He was getting shown what things are like there.

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