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Speaker 1: Oh, Revelle Dowks. It is Monday, August nineteenth, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and it is time for Morning Combat. My name is

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program, joined by

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Speaker 1: my co host you know him from CBS Sports as

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Speaker 1: well as gas stations around the Northeast, the one and

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Speaker 1: only Brian Campbell. How was your weekend? Brian?

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Speaker 2: Fired up? Fired up? Welll caffeinated at MK Ultra back

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Speaker 2: in your life, Ready to brainwash the combat minds off before.

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Speaker 1: We even get to the first top or tru or falls.

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Speaker 1: UFC two forty one best show of the year.

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Speaker 2: No, but it had the kind of magic if you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about in the year that was

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Speaker 2: very similar to the last few bouts on International Fight

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Speaker 2: Week and the last two specifically in Atlanta. And if

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Speaker 2: you want to go back to twenty seventeen, the last

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Speaker 2: time I think we felt that was in New York

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Speaker 2: for two seventeen. Those sort of cards I can pick

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Speaker 2: out of the group that say there's something special.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I also think someone made a

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Speaker 1: point to me out, you know, as the run of

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Speaker 1: the mill. UFC Carnal had great. No, but the UFC

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Speaker 1: pay per views have with two forty nine one standing,

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Speaker 1: They've delivered a lot this year. The main event delivered

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Speaker 1: a lot. Now we're gonna get to that manage the study.

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Speaker 2: Trending theme there is is people going for it, people

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Speaker 2: not being afraid to lose in an effort to win.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a novel concept sometimes of combat sports.

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Speaker 1: We'll circle back to that main event in just a second.

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Speaker 1: Let's start where the show starts, though, and that's with

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Speaker 1: Nathan Diaz had the top the top one and two

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Speaker 1: trending videos on YouTube. Yesterday there were two point one

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Speaker 1: million searches for UFC two forty one eight. Not an

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Speaker 1: astronomical but a very healthy number. For sure. It looked

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Speaker 1: like he had the biggest pop in the room. So

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Speaker 1: now the question is, after defeating Anthony Pettis via unanimous

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Speaker 1: decision Brian Campbell, is he as big of a star

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Speaker 1: as ron de Rousey when she was a UFC fighter

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Speaker 1: not talking about the current state of things, or Conan

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Speaker 1: McGregor at his peak. Let me go first, if I may.

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Speaker 1: The answer is no, he is not that big at

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Speaker 1: least I don't think there's enough evidence to congrect.

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Speaker 2: The answer is until he's headlining a pay per view

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Speaker 2: as the aside, you're never gonna know that.

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Speaker 1: We won't know the answer, but here's what we can conclude.

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Speaker 1: I think, at a bare minimum, he's probably as big

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Speaker 1: of a headliner as John Jones. Now that too is

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Speaker 1: also unproven. To the point you just raised, John has

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Speaker 1: a body of work as a headlinery or various other

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Speaker 1: places on the card where he clearly contributed to the

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Speaker 1: pay per view sales. We can kind of figure out

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Speaker 1: exactly what he brings to the table. Some of that

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Speaker 1: is still very much unknown about Nate Dz. But you

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Speaker 1: know as well as I do. Getting a New York

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Speaker 1: Times feature, I compared the UFC two thirty nine embedded

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Speaker 1: videos in terms of the traffic they did with the

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Speaker 1: UFC two forty one UFC two forty one. At first

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Speaker 1: they were neck and neck with a million, and then

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Speaker 1: two thirty nine petered out down the stretch just million, million.

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Speaker 2: Five million, Like Daniel Kelly basically of interest.

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Speaker 1: The whole point is there was sustaining interest around him.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes out there and has a huge pop

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Speaker 1: with the crowd. I think absolutely delivered in terms of

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Speaker 1: three years off like that was a great performance, not

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Speaker 1: a perfect one by any stretch, then gets on there,

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Speaker 1: sets up his next one against the other guy in

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Speaker 1: the UFC who's also coming off of Big Buzz. He

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Speaker 1: just played everything super well. He had the whole blunt

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Speaker 1: CBD thing at the workhouse.

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Speaker 2: It was not the most gangster moment and in a

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Speaker 2: positive way in UFC history. That was the coolest thing

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Speaker 2: since the just bleed guy and the guy over his

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Speaker 2: left shoulder who had the joint that people never really

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Speaker 1: Was so smart and so subversive, yet so clever and

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Speaker 1: actually actually within the rules to an extent. Anyway, I

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Speaker 1: guess my point being is you're right, no doubt about

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Speaker 1: a Brian Campbell until we put him on that thing,

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Speaker 1: until he gets the fight poster that he wants. Apparently

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Speaker 1: he's the only guy calling Dan and why complained about

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Speaker 1: the fight poster will never actually truly know. But here's

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Speaker 1: what I am saying. All the available evidence indicates he is,

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Speaker 1: if at the very very top of the food chain

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Speaker 1: just one click down, he is cooking with.

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Speaker 2: Guyas short of pay per view sales, because it's unproven

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Speaker 2: just from buzz, just from people knowing him, needing to

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Speaker 2: see him, and sort of unconditionally supporting him. He's in

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Speaker 2: Rousey mcgregretariat right now, which is insane to think about

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Speaker 2: because he's coming off of a three year break. That's

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Speaker 2: the insanity of it, and that's why there's so many

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Speaker 2: interesting points of what happens Saturday night. This is arguably

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Speaker 2: the best submission win of his career, even bigger than

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Speaker 2: submitting Connor McGregor in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I know what you're gonna say, This fight went to

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Speaker 3: the cards, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about afterwards at the Dais, at the press

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Speaker 2: conference when Dana White sort of sits there and go

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Speaker 2: reluctantly goes yep, he moves the needle, And that moment

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Speaker 2: was so poignant to me.

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Speaker 3: Because here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: In the history of fighters becoming monster stars, even Connor

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Speaker 2: McGregor's rise, there's always going to be a chicken in

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Speaker 2: the egg debate if you're the company, the organization when

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Speaker 2: you sit down at the contract table. Similar to the

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Speaker 2: I know you don't watch wrestling wrestling in nineteen, the

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Speaker 2: hul Cogan Vince McMahon match build Who created who? Right,

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Speaker 2: it's the same thing for it's the same thing if

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Speaker 2: Connor McGregor's going to sit down and negotiate with Dana.

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Speaker 2: Dana can go, did you help the UFC get to

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Speaker 2: this level when you were there or did we help

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Speaker 2: you get to this la level? Who created who? The

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Speaker 2: reason why this Nate Dia is the situation is so different,

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Speaker 2: and why you saw a face from Dana at that

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Speaker 2: press conference that was a face he doesn't normally give,

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Speaker 2: a reluctant sort of tap out face, is because Nate

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Speaker 2: Diaz did this, not with the UFC's help.

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Speaker 3: He took three.

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Speaker 2: Years off at the peak of his marketing prime, at

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Speaker 3: Just became a pay per view star.

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Speaker 2: I set records back to back with Connor as the

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Speaker 2: arguably the biggest B side ever yep. And he walked

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Speaker 2: away on his own terms. And it's not like he's

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Speaker 2: out there doing interviews every other week. I know he's

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Speaker 2: got his hand in the game with the CBD market

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Speaker 2: and with the whole weed culture territory, and I know

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Speaker 2: you see him from time to time here and there,

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Speaker 2: but he's as off the radar while not fighting purposely

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Speaker 3: It's insane.

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Speaker 2: That's the only way you're gonna make Dana White tap

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Speaker 2: UFC has built in the structure that if you're popular

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Speaker 2: and you get in our vehicle, we will drive you

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Speaker 2: to the top. I know Nate became a name because

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Speaker 2: he became a sort of like apocryphal legend, like a

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Speaker 2: to his own beliefs. And I know that's been a

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Speaker 2: so true. But that's why he gets that love. That's

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Speaker 2: why when Jorge Mosratl had that five second moment and

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Speaker 2: everything that went around that we were like, this guy

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Speaker 2: might be the next big star. Because in the fight sports,

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Speaker 2: that's real, that's true, currency that Nate has and that

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Speaker 2: Nate stands on and that he employs.

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Speaker 3: You cannot get away from it.

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Speaker 2: It's so authentic, it's so real, and you cling for that,

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Speaker 2: just like regular fans want fights to actually be fights

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Speaker 2: between tw people that hate each other. And the reality

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Speaker 2: is it's a business. Sometimes it's a sport. He is

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Speaker 2: something that cuts right through the bullshit, and he's like,

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Speaker 2: I am the realist m effort. I'm basically that crazy

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Speaker 2: a living. And the fact that Dan White finally bought

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Speaker 2: bigger than anything Stepe did in.

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Speaker 1: The Cage, which, by the way, Dana White after he

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Speaker 1: for business. You know, he's going to use that against them.

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Speaker 1: However that may be in the next iteration, which we'll

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Speaker 2: Can I double down on sort of the ridiculous bisness.

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Speaker 2: He did this not only out of the public eye,

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Speaker 2: like I mentioned, but with UFC and Dana White talking

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Speaker 2: bad about him basically at every turn, he became like

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Speaker 2: and it's crazy because.

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Speaker 1: He's sold that actually works to his benefit. In the end,

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Speaker 1: it worked to his benefit. He twists it. He he

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Speaker 1: is the guy. What is his brand? The UFC's law

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Speaker 1: and order. He's the rebel, so anytime that they double

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Speaker 2: In the egning is a three year break changed the

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Speaker 2: narrative of him against the machine because it's people like

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Speaker 2: me every time I'm in front of a microphone going UFC,

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Speaker 2: gonna wake up and realize that it's crazy? As we

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Speaker 2: cling to the anti hero counterculture thing that he gives

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Speaker 2: us as a message, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not that he's the first to do that.

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Speaker 2: You can argue maybe like Tank Aabott was the first

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Speaker 2: guy to bring that in, even Connor McGregor to a degree.

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Speaker 2: Luke on his initial rise had sort of that trash

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Speaker 2: talking not necessarily middle finger, but you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Pops a whole bit of an edge and swag that's

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Speaker 2: non conformed. For his sake to millions of dollars, he

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Speaker 2: He went down that lane into a degree he lost

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Speaker 2: that real edge for the fans. But that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: When you go down the company lane and you have

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Speaker 1: What fights can you make that feel elite?

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Speaker 2: There's that blue collar, workingman like sign. We've seen him

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal, though, the guy from why is DC's

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Speaker 2: I don't think Steve a has He's done more than

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Speaker 3: I think we're willing to put DC there.

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Speaker 2: Last time because he'd only lost to John Jones, the

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to go with the second half of that,

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Speaker 1: beat Arlovski, when he excuse me, not Alawski was his

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Speaker 1: title fight. So when he beat Verdoom, Overeim and who's

436
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Speaker 1: the other one, I'm not Francis.

437
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Speaker 2: You gonna go past over room without muching that he

438
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Speaker 2: tapped at two three. There's a movement out there. Only

439
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Speaker 2: point the movement was.

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Speaker 1: He fought a lot of guys France is notwithstanding who's

441
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Speaker 1: just a little bit long in the tooth in terms

442
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Speaker 1: of their age. So you have to count that as

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Speaker 1: part of the overall body of work. So I'm willing

444
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Speaker 1: to say I think there might be a third fight

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Speaker 1: between Cormier and step A, which that would be much

446
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Speaker 1: more settling. It is a fine debate. I just want

447
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Speaker 1: to point out beating Daniel Cormier by stoppage, being the

448
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Speaker 1: first person to do that, to do that at heavyweight,

449
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Speaker 1: that is a that is a towering achievement in the

450
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Speaker 1: heavyweight division. So the question then becomes, Brian Campbell, are

451
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Speaker 1: they going to do stepe A versus John Jones or

452
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Speaker 1: a third fight with Steve A and DC? Here is

453
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Speaker 1: my thought. Does Daniel retire? We'll talk about him in

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Speaker 1: a second. I don't. I'm fine with the Jones versus

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Speaker 1: Steve A fight. I didn't come out of that fight

456
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Speaker 1: thinking it'd be all that competitive. Now John's last two

457
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Speaker 1: fights have not been bad, but not like the kind

458
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Speaker 1: of Maraud and crusader he had been before. But did

459
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Speaker 1: you leave that fight afterwards thinking wow, Steve Bay versus Jones,

460
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Speaker 1: not saying they couldn't do it, not saying they wouldn't

461
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Speaker 1: do it, that saying they wouldn't even make a ton

462
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Speaker 1: of money. But did you come out of there thinking, ooh,

463
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Speaker 1: that one is what I have to see. I didn't

464
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Speaker 1: come out of their fight.

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Speaker 2: It depends I didn't come out of the thinking that.

466
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Speaker 2: Because of recent comments made by John Jones that look,

467
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Speaker 2: I never really want to go to heavyweight, which is false.

468
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Speaker 2: It's been documented for years. He's sort of teasing that

469
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Speaker 2: it was inevitable. I took that how willing on social

470
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Speaker 2: Medy was constantly looking to take jabs at DC, including

471
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Speaker 2: after the fight when he suddenly proclaims on Twitter that

472
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Speaker 2: Stepe is the greatest heavyweight of all time. End of story.

473
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Speaker 2: I think that's all more of marketing and public negotiation moves.

474
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Speaker 2: I think Jones is and has been always willing to

475
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Speaker 2: go to heavyweight if the money's there. Not the pay

476
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Speaker 2: per view made a vent, money that he's lived off

477
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Speaker 2: of for years, but the Connor McGregor, Floyd Mayweather, many

478
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Speaker 2: pakiout money, the guaranteed twenty five million to fight no

479
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Speaker 2: matter what.

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Speaker 3: That type of like legitimate.

481
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Speaker 2: If I'm gonna take this chance, you're going to treat

482
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Speaker 2: me like that true star money. If that's there, I

483
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Speaker 2: don't see why he wouldn't fight Steepe. And again, I'm

484
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Speaker 2: on the side of the train that says or the

485
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Speaker 2: side of the line that says, John Jones beats every

486
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Speaker 2: single heavyweight in the end, I think is that talented?

487
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Speaker 2: I think is speed will translate so well. But I

488
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Speaker 2: think we're going a little bit too quickly out of

489
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Speaker 2: the DC Steepe argument because the thing where it gets

490
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Speaker 2: that but this is all related. The thing that fuels

491
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Speaker 2: my opinions on this. Ultimately, besides this thing that's in

492
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Speaker 2: my eye, this piece of dust. This uh, we're live here, folks,

493
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Speaker 2: all right? Possibly maybe possibly all right?

494
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Speaker 1: Is the DC thing.

495
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Speaker 2: No, step A didn't beat DC in the rematch. DC

496
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Speaker 2: lost the rematch. Oh you are hot, and I know

497
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Speaker 2: that there's an look. I I make that same argument

498
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Speaker 2: in the Anderson silver Chris Widman. Uh you know series too,

499
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Speaker 2: that that ultimately Anderson Silva cost himself the first fight

500
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Speaker 2: and then freak injury in the second. I never got

501
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Speaker 2: the picture that Chris Webben was better. Another topic for

502
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Speaker 2: another day. I think the fact that steep A did

503
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Speaker 2: everything right in this. He even stood on his laurels

504
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Speaker 2: Nate Diaz like and sat out a whole year to

505
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Speaker 2: get the fight that he wanted. Then he came in

506
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Speaker 2: there and weathered the storm in an absolute war. Round

507
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Speaker 2: two one of the greatest rounds in UFC title history

508
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Speaker 2: that they'll put in the vault one day. But Daniel

509
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Speaker 2: Cormie was Daniel Cormie after the fight, which means really

510
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Speaker 2: honest in his shortcomings, he abandoned the strategy in round

511
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Speaker 2: one in which he dominated that fight. So in my

512
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Speaker 2: heart of hearts when I'm fueling the debate of who's

513
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Speaker 2: better all time and in the whole debate of what

514
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Speaker 2: fight should be next? In all this stuff, Daniel Cormier

515
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Speaker 2: was actually the better fighter on Saturday Night. He got

516
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Speaker 2: a little love was though. He got a little and

517
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Speaker 2: he've been at this in his interviews afterwards. He got

518
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Speaker 2: a little bit too high and mighty from the idea

519
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Speaker 2: of I knocked this guy out the first time. I'm

520
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Speaker 2: taking his shots and walking through them now, so why

521
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Speaker 2: shouldn't I stop, even though obviously his corner's telling him

522
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Speaker 2: take the fight to the ground. And anybody at home

523
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Speaker 2: watching round one, when he dominated Steepe and really left

524
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Speaker 2: him in a confused role, you're like, why would you

525
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Speaker 2: not go back to your strength?

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Speaker 3: They're in wrestling, okay, so that's fine.

527
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Speaker 2: But even outside of the wrestling point, Luke, he had

528
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Speaker 2: no respect for Stepe. He was just walking in hands down.

529
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Speaker 2: So he deserves to lose that fight. But I don't

530
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Speaker 2: think Stepe is a better fighter than DC. And maybe

531
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Speaker 2: that feels the argument that the.

532
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Speaker 1: Better fighter doesn't always win, and you know that very

533
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Speaker 1: very well. That's true in boxing. I think it's less

534
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Speaker 1: true in boxing but it can happen sometimes, especially true

535
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Speaker 1: an mma with there's the wide variants in how a

536
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Speaker 1: fight could match two fighters can match up based on variables.

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Speaker 1: Here's the point. I'm not gonna sit here and tell

538
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Speaker 1: you that Cormier fought a good fight or even up

539
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Speaker 1: to his best ability. No, far from it, dude. I

540
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Speaker 1: know that my radio show is behind a paywall, and

541
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Speaker 1: I know that as a consequence that limits some of

542
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Speaker 1: its exposure. But on Friday's show, and you can look

543
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Speaker 1: this up on the archives, and went out of my

544
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Speaker 1: way to say, did anybody else watch UFC two hundred

545
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Speaker 1: when Anderson Silva went to the liver of Daniel Cormier

546
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Speaker 1: and it hurt him bad? There was a clear and

547
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Speaker 1: unequivocal weakness show there. Not everyone's susceptible deliver shots, but

548
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Speaker 1: some more than others, a Seronia Brown kind of a situation.

549
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Speaker 1: Cormier appeared to be one of those kinds. I've never

550
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Speaker 1: seen someone really get folded like that off of a

551
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Speaker 1: I'm sure a hard pushkick, but not the kind that

552
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Speaker 1: would normally draw that break.

553
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Speaker 2: You did shell me. Anderson extended his toes and curve

554
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Speaker 2: them in, and that was a big part of adding.

555
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it also showed a weakness of the body.

556
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Speaker 1: And then when you saw stevee go over and over

557
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Speaker 1: and over, I'm not telling you this is some kind

558
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Speaker 1: of Einstein Stephen Hawking adjustment. I am telling you after

559
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Speaker 1: getting battered for three rounds to have the presence of

560
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Speaker 1: mind to then go and do that, it was stick

561
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Speaker 1: to it. Yes, championship level adjustment. It is absolutely a

562
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Speaker 1: championship level adjustment. So when you say step A didn't

563
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Speaker 1: beat him, Cormier lost, No, steep A beat him because Cormier, yes,

564
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Speaker 1: opened the tiny window. But if Steep the door, well,

565
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Speaker 1: hold on, if Steepe doesn't go to the body, he

566
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Speaker 1: loses that fight. That was the only reason he went there,

567
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Speaker 1: is because he had the presence of mind to do

568
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So your point was, Cormier was

569
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Speaker 1: the better fighter that night, even fighting a dumb ass strategy.

570
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Speaker 1: He was the better fighter that night. He would have

571
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Speaker 1: won but for Stepe taking that fight from him. You

572
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Speaker 1: cannot take that away.

573
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Speaker 2: From Oh look at I'm not trying to, but we're

574
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Speaker 2: trying to basically compare two shiny apples and try to

575
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Speaker 2: say which one is better looking than the other.

576
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Speaker 3: And I think there are things that separate this.

577
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Speaker 2: And also I'm not convinced that DC wasn't rocked at

578
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Speaker 2: some point early in second round, which completely mentally kind

579
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Speaker 2: of put him in survival mode the rest of the way.

580
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Speaker 3: He certainly wasn't listening to his.

581
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Speaker 2: Corner, but he did sort of say that was more

582
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Speaker 2: pride afterwards. And then did you hear some of the

583
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 2: comments between rounds? You know, my winning, what's going on?

584
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Speaker 1: It's sure to make of those.

585
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: It was hard, though, So what I'm saying is that

586
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 2: happens in fights. That's part of it. So that could

587
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: have been a big part of this equation why he

588
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: didn't finish the fight as strong as he started it. Again,

589
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: not taking anything away from Stepe, but I do think

590
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: there is a separation between the true greatest of all

591
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Speaker 2: time when we're trying to argue this out and it's like,

592
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Speaker 2: what else does Stepe have to do? I don't know

593
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Speaker 2: if he's really that guy though.

594
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Speaker 1: It's like, do I think at Cormier is a better fighter? Still?

595
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Speaker 1: I do, but he wasn't better that night, and that's

596
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Speaker 1: all that matters in the end. Now, the next question

597
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Speaker 1: is about Daniel Cormier, he loses his heavyweight title, and

598
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Speaker 1: he's forty years old. And there wasn't necessarily a declaration

599
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Speaker 1: before this fight that it was going to be his last,

600
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Speaker 1: but he did say it could have been. Now he

601
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Speaker 1: has lost his title. Brian Campbell, what happens next.

602
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Speaker 2: To he is going to, Yeah, I'm gonna MP right

603
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: in and I'm gonna walk it right over. He's gonna

604
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Speaker 2: fight again. And here's the reason why he's still amazingly

605
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Speaker 2: good pump for pound elite top three or four five

606
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Speaker 2: at forty, which is insane to think about. But he's

607
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Speaker 2: been able to get smarter as he's gotten older and

608
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: all of that, and at heavyweight he's even better than

609
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: he is a light heavyweight. But here's the real reason why.

610
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: It's not just because he's a competitor. It's because when

611
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Speaker 2: you get to this age and you're weighing out the price,

612
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Speaker 2: and that's what he's doing.

613
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Speaker 1: The risks.

614
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Speaker 2: He's saying, I got to talk with my family and

615
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Speaker 2: my team. I got a lot of TV effort jobs

616
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Speaker 2: out there. I'm getting paid very well by TV. I

617
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: don't really have to do this anymore. When there's something

618
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Speaker 2: left to fight for and you're a true competitor, and

619
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Speaker 2: you're not a businessman. And DC, although he's been smart

620
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Speaker 2: over the last year and finally getting a taste of

621
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Speaker 2: this elite money four million to save the card last fall,

622
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Speaker 2: he's not a businessman. He's more of a true competitor.

623
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Speaker 2: He can with either the third Stepe fight or the

624
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Speaker 2: third Jones fight, in my mind, somewhat dramatically increase his

625
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Speaker 2: all time great standing. And when you have that opportunity

626
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Speaker 2: and you're still good enough to perform, DC. I know

627
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Speaker 2: he's taking damage and all that, but we don't see

628
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Speaker 2: him get stopped regularly, and he's certainly not a four

629
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Speaker 2: year old fighter that we're going head trauma. Should he

630
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Speaker 2: just count his losses and go away? No, Even Dania

631
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Speaker 2: White's like, look, he's still really damn good. If he

632
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Speaker 2: beats Meochich in the third fight. I mean, he's your

633
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: slam dunk heavyweight goat. And if he beats John Jones

634
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Speaker 2: in a third fight, he redeems all the losses, all

635
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Speaker 2: the times of coming up to second place, and I

636
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Speaker 2: think really has that chance to argue that he's the

637
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Speaker 2: best fighter we've ever seen, regardless of weight class. When

638
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Speaker 2: you have those two opportunities right in front of you. Yes,

639
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna take six to nine months off. You might

640
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: even announce a soft retirement first. But he's coming back,

641
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: and he's coming back into either of those two fights.

642
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Speaker 2: And if I was advising him and I cared about

643
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Speaker 2: his health and I cared about all this, I think

644
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Speaker 2: I might still say him to go after it because

645
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Speaker 2: he's that type of competitor, and I think he can

646
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Speaker 2: win both. Maybe not Jones at two of five. I

647
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Speaker 2: think heavyweight against Jones would be interesting.

648
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Speaker 1: All right, So here's what I would say. I think

649
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Speaker 1: you're probably right. I think he does come back when

650
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't know, but you're right.

651
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: He is a born competitor in every way. Anybody who's

652
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: ever talked to Daniel Pormier got a sense of things.

653
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: This is a guy where a competition, Like with the

654
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: Diaz brothers, Diaz goes on the analyst desk and they

655
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: asked him how was the experience being back, and he

656
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: was like, when I was in there, I hated it.

657
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: I was like, why do I do this? It was

658
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: when the job was over he felt a sense of

659
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: accomplishment and relief, and that's what he was looking for

660
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: not just a relief, but a job well done. Cormier

661
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: is the exact opposite. Man. I remember one time seeing

662
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: it with Kyle Dick, one of the best wrestlers in

663
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: collegiate history of Kyle Dick, Kyle Diake only wrestler to

664
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: ever win a NCAA title in a different weight class

665
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: every year, right, pretty impressive. I remember when he wrestled

666
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: David Taylor for his national championship of his senior year

667
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: and the lights came on over the mat and he

668
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: went from having a sour face to smiling. When the

669
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: lights come on for some people, Brian Campbell, they will,

670
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: and when the lights come on for others, that is

671
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: when they are the happiest, when they're at their best,

672
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: when they know what they are made to do. Daniel Cormier,

673
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, just like you and I right now is

674
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: exactly goddamn right. When those cameras role, it's time to go.

675
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: But the point being is, he told Damon Martin of

676
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: MMA fighting before, he did not want to go out

677
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: on his back. He has a chance where look, it

678
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: may come to the to the point in his career

679
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: where you actually have to go out on your back.

680
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: But that's not today. That's not today. He actually had

681
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: a chance to make sure that the fairy tail ending

682
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: of his career is something that is legitimately possible. So

683
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: you combine the fact that he is this is something

684
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: that drives him, You combine to your point, something to

685
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: fight for, and you combine that this is not the

686
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: way he wants to go out. I know he's had

687
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: two stoppage losses in the last two years, so since

688
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, by the way, both in that same building,

689
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: which is just wild. So don't fucking fight Steepe in

690
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: the Honda Center, okay, but anywhere else. Look, time is ticking.

691
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: I don't think he can wait that long. I think

692
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: he has to kind of get back out there. I

693
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: don't think in twenty nineteen, probably in first or second

694
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: quarter twenty twenty. But they're gonna do it. I think

695
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: the Jones fights. Let them. Last thing Jones fight to

696
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: me is off the table. Getting the steep a one

697
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: because you can end your career without having to worry

698
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: about the John Jones chapters. They just are what they are.

699
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: But you can end with a redemptive note, you can

700
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: end with a legacy note, and you can end with

701
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the belt back in your hands. If you're Daniel Cormier,

702
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: how do you turn that down real quickly?

703
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: If you think it's BS my take that you know,

704
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: step Alas didn't win that fight yet DC lost, But

705
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 2: I get it.

706
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's a I'm going out on

707
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: a legend. I'm standing there and I believe in it.

708
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: But as DC's watching video over the next three four

709
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: months of that fight, he's gonna be thinking the same thing.

710
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: He's gonna be thinking, I gave that up, and that's

711
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: going to be extra fuel. And number two, we've just

712
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: talked about John Jones kind of at every turn taking

713
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: shots at DC. Right yeap, wouldn't the most John Jones

714
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: thing to do right now would be to go to

715
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: heavyweight and take the belt that potentially that DC just

716
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: lost in a fight that DC and me probably feel

717
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: like he should have won, and go out there and

718
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: become that two division tampent and then take all of

719
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: the DS.

720
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna be. This is gonna be a great test

721
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: to see whether Miocic is consistent or a hypocrite with

722
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: the nature of the third potential fight with Cormier, because

723
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: he was like I deserve it. I was the longest

724
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: reigning champion. It's got nothing to do with the fact

725
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: that you know, they had six months to prepare for

726
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: that fight. He got beaten around. There was no real

727
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: case for a rematch. There's not much of a case

728
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: of a rematch with Cormier other then it's a thing

729
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: you want to do for a nice person. It would

730
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: be it would be kind of interesting for a trilogy fight,

731
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: but usually you want trilogy fights and rematches spaced out evenly,

732
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: with like a lot of time in between, so that

733
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: the third or the second one would be different than

734
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: the previous one, which you're not going to get here.

735
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: There's actually not that great of a case now, I

736
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: guess you could say, again, we like Cormier. He was

737
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: winning early. There are some reasons to think a third

738
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: one might be different.

739
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: But wouldn't that be a John Jones thing to do,

740
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: to be like, to take a smoke from him.

741
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think so. I don't think so.

742
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that machiavellian. I don't I think

743
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: he is. Do you think so? Yeah, a little bit? Yeah,

744
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: I think he's happy to keep seeing what's happening at

745
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: at light heavyweight or if he went to heavyweight maybe

746
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: to fight someone else first real.

747
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: Quick on the way out as well.

748
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you celebrate at least the balls on these

749
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: two guys on DC and Steep a bread strategy or not.

750
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: The action that we saw it was a war of attritionites.

751
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: You'll seen heavy whatever.

752
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: We haven't seen historically in the UFC great heavyweight title

753
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: bots is this, I don't want to and every conversation

754
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: with this, that's the greatest we've ever seen. I mean

755
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: this is this will go down pretty high up.

756
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Look to your to your point. When Kator came back

757
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: and beat Sylvia, there was something thrilling about it, but

758
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: it was mostly because he had Sylvia's back for five rounds.

759
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't really because the action of the initial punch

760
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: that knocked Sylvia down was all that interesting. This was

761
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: back and forth and do both of their faces the.

762
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: Chins they showed was is i'b scene?

763
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: And also for step A Miochich, like a lot of

764
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: guys get KO, they don't. They don't even if they're

765
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: not physically affected, they're mentally a little bit unsure of themselves.

766
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: Not Stepe, he just marched on in there, and.

767
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: I thought that seven punch finished pretty pretty violent, pretty brutal.

768
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: And also I thought he was gonna stick behind the jab,

769
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, like maintain some distance. Na, he kind of

770
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: got in there and just traded with him.

771
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: So he kind of Homer Simpson than that, he kind

772
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: of just.

773
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm not much of a Myochiic fan, Like I think

774
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: I respect him, but it's not like I don't gravitate

775
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: to his fights. But even I can go after Saturday

776
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, I was wrong, You

777
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: have a hard time.

778
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm not saying a hard time.

779
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying that as a joke, but I'm saying he

780
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: showed tremendous resolved, he showed a tremendous result and Cormier loss.

781
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: He didn't win there, However, I didn't have.

782
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: Money on DC.

783
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm not in DC's corner.

784
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what I saw, all right.

785
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: So here's the fight that's getting lost in everything, which

786
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: was the feature fire of the car, not the man,

787
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: not the co mane. But oh my god, what a

788
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: middleweight fight between Joel Romero and Paulo Costa. I did

789
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: the Java Boys podcast with Brendan schab and he was like, yeah,

790
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I don't know how I feel about it.

791
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, Brendan, have you had too much coffee? Are

792
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: you a little high? Bud? This one has action written

793
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: all over. Jimmy Smith, the former UFC and Bilsmore commentator

794
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: Serius XM host, he had tweeted, Romero versus Costa is

795
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: going to be as close as we ever get to

796
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: watching two comic book characters battle it out in real time.

797
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: It's like opening a cereal box looking for that prize

798
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: and you find sex at the bottom.

799
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous.

800
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: First of all, I absolutely loved, loved, loved this fight.

801
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was so interesting for so many reasons, Brian.

802
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: One was Romero showing actually technical growth. He's usually a

803
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: bit of a two way fighter, but one at a time,

804
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: block block, block, block, block, Perry slip Perry, slip, block,

805
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: and then explode. And you did see some of that.

806
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: But he's actually like slipping and throwing, which he ordinarily

807
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: doesn't do. We know he's the king of the third rounders,

808
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: but not typically through volume. He actually had the better

809
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: cardio than Paulo Costa and the third their chins on

810
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: these two, just on one of the great fights really

811
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: in middleweight history for a non title affair, for a

812
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: three rounder. So now the question is that Paulo Costa

813
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: wins by the way very quickly, I'd just scored it.

814
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: I want to fish my point, though, well.

815
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: There's another I didn't take the trade through hot takee

816
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: city on the way.

817
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Then hold that thought. Hold that thought. But in any event,

818
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: Costa gets his hand raised, let's say, right, so now

819
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: he's going to get the winner of Whittaker versus Adasignya.

820
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I would love to know your thoughts on the fight,

821
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: and also is there one direction you're leaning more towards

822
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: in terms of who you'd like to see Costa fight,

823
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you, the big takeaway from this

824
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: one was even if you think Romero won and by

825
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: the way, he'll be back, because he looked phenomenal hitting

826
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: championship weight by the way, one four point seventy five,

827
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: good for him. Costa, I think silence not all the

828
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: doubts about him, but a metric ton of them. He

829
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: looked good and way better late than a lot of

830
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: folks thought.

831
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: It was so much to love about this fight in

832
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: this situation and I sort of mentioned that off the

833
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: top about why this card was so good Natiez in

834
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: Pettis Fault really hard, but specifically the main event and

835
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: specifically this middleway card, you had people fighting for their lives,

836
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: fighting for it all, willing to risk it all to

837
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: win it. And I know that sounds stupid. This is

838
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: the fight game, but you know what it's like, Lukely.

839
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: I know it happens more in boxing the MA, but

840
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: sometimes there's a safety point. Sometimes you get to a

841
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: certain point where you're more defending what you've accomplished rather

842
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: than going for it. Both of these guys were going

843
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: for it.

844
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: And whether or not you scored.

845
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: It for Paulo Costa in the end, it doesn't really

846
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: matter because it wasn't a robbery. I could see why

847
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: people preferred Costa because he landed the more damage overall.

848
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: So if that's more of your trend on how you

849
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: score fight, that's fine.

850
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: That's how you should score it.

851
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: I do I don't know about that fight rules.

852
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: That is exactly how you should score fight.

853
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: But ultimately he answered every question we could have had stamina,

854
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: chin balls, I mean, everything across the abs. We already

855
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: knew that I mean, if you were a fan of

856
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: just Chisel, male bodies and who you are, this was

857
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: gonna be This was going to be a super Bowl

858
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: for that. But from the idea of finding out how

859
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: good he can be, and on top of that, Romero.

860
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 3: At forty two gave you a plus plus performance.

861
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: You're trying to ask me in theory here, what fight

862
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: do I really want to see the most? Costa against Whitaker,

863
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: Costa against ad Asnia, none of the abolve. I want

864
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: Romero against a Asignia, And that just speaks to how

865
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: great this division is at the top. How both of

866
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: these were elevated from this fight. I'm not really sure

867
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: I've ever seen you all Romero lose. The first Whittaker

868
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: fight was the closest in terms of his UFC run,

869
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: But all three of those fights against the elites, he

870
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: was right there. And I think he fought better in

871
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: this fight in terms of strategy, and you sort of

872
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: nailed off the top. Then even the two Whittaker fights,

873
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: I thought he won the second one, But even in

874
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: those two you could say, Okay, Romero takes rounds off

875
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: at times, he does this, he does that.

876
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything but go out there and give

877
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: you a great performance.

878
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: There's an argument that even with the losses that he's

879
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: had Whittaker this one and I'm forgetting some other ones

880
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: that he might have had, you can make a case

881
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: he's the best middleweight in the world. You can actually

882
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: do that. Now he won't have the belts to justify it.

883
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: He won't have just a clean green lighting on the

884
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: side of the Wikipedia page. It'll be some pink in there,

885
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: but that isn't necessarily a fair reflection of his ability.

886
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: In fact, I think coming out of this, if he

887
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: wants to go to two oh five, he can, but

888
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: making the weight that he did now, maybe when he

889
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: travels too far like Perth, Australia, he can't make the weight.

890
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: But if they can find a way to get him

891
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: in a space where he can reliably make that weight,

892
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: dude A forty two, he's as viable a contender at

893
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: middleweight as he's ever been. He should absolutely be the

894
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: guy that they fly in whenever cost of fights. The

895
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: winner of whittakern Outosignia to be the guy on standby.

896
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone in the world would be opposed

897
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: to that. If he ends up getting that slot, through

898
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: some kind of injury or change.

899
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't say it's time for Romero to transition

900
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: into being more of an older select the final, let's

901
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: match him up with other big names and any division

902
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: do'll just make fun for him.

903
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: This is again he's got some fatal flaws too. But

904
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: to go out and look, the beauty of that fight was.

905
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: I think both guys at the piece of themselves there

906
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: a little bit which is not great. But Costa twenty

907
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: five can afford to do that, and I guess the

908
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: ageless wonder in Romero, I suppose he can do it

909
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: as well. My other point is, did you come out

910
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: of that fight thinking, oh, you know, I don't know

911
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: what's next for him at middleweight? You're like, dude, he

912
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: can beat on the right night, Joel Romero can beat

913
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: anybody at middleweight. It just wasn't necessarily.

914
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: The reason why I asked that question about the celebrity

915
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: fighter thing is because he's forty two and in theory,

916
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: has a short window left. Who knows, he could be

917
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: one of these Randy Cator freaks who keeps going. But

918
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: the point is I don't want to see him be

919
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: forced to have to go back to the middle of

920
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: the top ten and win a couple to get back

921
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: in line. I almost want him to just sort of

922
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: like stay in that bullpen for an availability or.

923
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: Fight another legend.

924
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't necessarily love him and Anderson Silva,

925
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: but those type of fights. Would you like him to

926
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: go up and tested that two a five against a

927
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: big name, even against a wideman type of guy.

928
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: I guess I want the best matchups for him and

929
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: the most competitive ones, because I don't think that the

930
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: transition to I'm doing something other than making a clear

931
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: path to the title is something he needs to do yet.

932
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: So there's like there's different stages to the career. One

933
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: is I'm all in direct path through the through the

934
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: thicket to the title. One is I don't care at all,

935
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of shades in between. He can

936
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: still be pretty close to that I'm doing nothing else,

937
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: but that now they answer the original question, Costa, who

938
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: should you fight? Well, I mean we have to see

939
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: who wins. I think which one I'm more interested in

940
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: just the Ata Soignya one because they're still like one

941
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: of the interesting parts about Romero that people are not

942
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: going to appreciate is his ability to withstand the punishment

943
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: of Costa in this one. I don't know if Whittaker can.

944
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if Adasignya can, and the bad beef

945
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: between Adasigna. So he's got this. He's the much more

946
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: clever striker at range. But then you have this beast

947
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: of a sort of boxer. He also has a bit

948
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: of a kickboxer too, but more of a boxer in Costa.

949
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: To me, that's a much more interesting fight than Robert Whittaker,

950
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: who's like, all shucks. It doesn't work quite as well

951
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: for me, But in either case, you're gonna get a

952
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: pretty great fight. Here's the point. Do I think Joel

953
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Romero can beat all three on the right night? You

954
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: bet your ass one hundred percent.

955
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure though, even though Paula Costa just

956
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: made giant steps. I mean, that was a strong everything

957
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: you'd want out of performance. Do you still do you

958
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: kind of echo me? I still feel like I need

959
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: to see from a technical standpoint, can he outpoint those

960
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: two guys are right?

961
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: He just uses a lot of route force, and that's

962
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: typically been enough. The question is going to be what

963
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: happens when it's not enough? Because Romero to an extent

964
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: obliged that. So what happens when he gets someone who

965
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: doesn't oblige it? Does he have a second or third

966
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: gear to get to I don't know, But does he

967
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: have a chin? Yes? Whatever the u Sawa issues work,

968
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: did you notice any drop off in his physique? I

969
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: noticed no change whatsoever. Firepower was still not as much there,

970
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: but still there. Late he's got a chin himself, like

971
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: there was a lot to like for that performance. So

972
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: still but by the way, at twenty five, still has

973
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: time to get better or twenty eight whatever he is.

974
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: I know you don't go on social media once and

975
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: certainly not to peep things, but do you see John

976
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: Jones constantly talking about Atosania and saying I'll fight him

977
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: in Africa, I'll fight him here, I'll.

978
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: Fight them there. I catch things here there.

979
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't need anything to do with that. That's that

980
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: just seems to ruin things. I want John to move up,

981
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: not a sign you to prove himself a midweight win

982
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: the title first?

983
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: Why are we doing this?

984
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: They're gonna he's he's waiting for Adasignia to to be

985
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: old enough, where the move to two of five is

986
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of forced upon him, and then they want to

987
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: see what happens there, but that that could be years

988
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: away at this point, so it's not really there at

989
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: the moment. Okay, So outside of the Romeros and the

990
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: Costas and the diaz Is and in your mind, I

991
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: guess the Cormier is because you don't want to give

992
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: it to Steepe outside of those top performers. Who are

993
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: some other top performers at UFC two forty one. Now,

994
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways you can go with

995
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: this one, Brian, I'll go first. Corey Sanhagen, Yes, boy,

996
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: he looked very very good on the premium card beating

997
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: half El Sun. So why is that important? Because he

998
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: had come off the lineker Win and the Linaker fight.

999
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, it will test your ability to take a shot,

1000
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: So he answered that. I also try to tell people

1001
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: this in MMA. If you see a guy who's got

1002
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: like five first round KOs and about to make their

1003
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: UFC debut, the one thing I always tell people is,

1004
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: you know almost nothing about this person. You know they

1005
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: hit hard and probably not much else. Now there their

1006
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: tender profile. You used to be on the fields. Tender

1007
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: was after me. My era was like match and stuff

1008
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: like that, but I never got some of the tender.

1009
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: I've actually never seen tender in any event. The point

1010
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: being is you don't know a lot about that person,

1011
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: and as you get through MMA, they're gonna audit every

1012
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: single piece of you. Now, I don't think Corey Sandhagan

1013
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: has been fully audited yet, but that was a big one.

1014
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: A Sunsou is clever. He had changed teams to like

1015
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: rejuvenate what he was doing. He's beaten the best of

1016
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: the best in that division. Truly. For Sanagan to go

1017
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: in there and basically no sell him was remarkable. And

1018
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: the other thing about Sanagen that folks need to recognize

1019
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: is it's not just that he's good in some kind

1020
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: of general sense. A lot of modern fighters who aren't

1021
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: specialists anymore, they try to add so many tools to

1022
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: their game that they're kind of just mediocre at all

1023
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: of them. He's not. He's actually very good at not

1024
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: only jiu jitsu or wrestling or striking or stand switching,

1025
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: but at blending them all so effortlessly. So I don't

1026
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: know how far he goes, but hello, ladies and gentlemen,

1027
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: that's your new bands on week content.

1028
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: You can make some kind of hips to argument that

1029
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: was the strongest performance on the card in terms of

1030
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: like making a leap forward and making a certain announcement.

1031
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: And what I love most about him is all that

1032
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: stuff he does, all the movement, all the hurky jerky.

1033
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: It's so strategized and it's so totally disarms the opponent

1034
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: because it's so offensive. It's constantly in your face. There's

1035
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: a constant threat. Almost to the point in that third round,

1036
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, is he setting himself up to maybe get

1037
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: caught with something here? But it's sort of how he operates.

1038
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: That's where he's most dangerous, the most comfortable. He certainly

1039
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: made the announcement I'm ready for the elite, I'm ready

1040
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: for the title level. A little bit crowded though in

1041
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: this division it's loaded. And not only is it loaded,

1042
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: there's been an addition of some celebrity names. I mean,

1043
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: you saw Ryah Faber sitting next to Captain Cringes down

1044
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: there a ringside you know you got?

1045
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: Is that, by the way, is that gimmick? The work

1046
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm making The fact, if you're an MMA media member

1047
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: and you have given any oxygen to that, you're a

1048
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: terrible person. I want you to know that if you've

1049
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: given if you've retweeted anything about the inter gender champion,

1050
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: you're a sad.

1051
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: It makes Solby Covington look like the most PC crossover.

1052
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Stop giving it. And that's the last thing I gonna

1053
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: say that Stop giving it oxygen. Okay, go ahead.

1054
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 2: I didn't even know you're talking to innergender. I'm talking

1055
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: about his captain, Cringe pro fig.

1056
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: It's all the worse.

1057
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: We have.

1058
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: Edgar dropping into this division.

1059
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: We've got Favor, We've got sort of names, Dominic Cruz

1060
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: coming back. You've got sort of names that could be

1061
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: thrown into B side situations that I wonder how many

1062
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: wins away is san Jagan actually from a title shot.

1063
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: If the division was a little bit thinner, you'd be like,

1064
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: that's the type of win where you get catapulted. A

1065
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: Sunsow had only lost to the elite, he was still

1066
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: kind of a destroyer in this division despite his age.

1067
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: Where do you think he actually fits in line?

1068
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: And is he the type of perfect guy that the

1069
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: UFC would sort of leapfrog in an effort to rinse

1070
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: out what's left of names like Favor.

1071
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna to see where things where

1072
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: they put him, it's gonna be the matchmaking is going

1073
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: to be interesting. Do they give him a legend to

1074
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: boost him? Do they give him an Edgar for example,

1075
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Speaker 1: or are they going to try and find a way

1076
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: to give Edgar a title shot? Are they going to

1077
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 1: do a bantam way fight between Edgar and Faber? Because

1078
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: I know they fought at one forty five last time. Like,

1079
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of weird. The question is like, what

1080
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 1: does the UFC have planned for him? And that's hard

1081
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: to know. The other strong performer, I would say Sadeik

1082
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: Yusaf from Washington, DC. H dude, I called one of

1083
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: his amateur fights years ago, and I remember like he

1084
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: blew through this guy like like a tornado through Kansas.

1085
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: It was just a wrecking.

1086
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: You didn't ask me who I thought I'd the best reform.

1087
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: I was assuming you were gonna say anyway, Sadee Usaf

1088
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: also a strong performer.

1089
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: What else Derek Brunson man, I mean, he came out

1090
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: there in a fight that we all assumed he was

1091
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: gonna lose. He wanted to find out how good Ian

1092
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: heness was. Heine said all the right things coming in

1093
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: and what did Derek Brunson. Do he did a performance

1094
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: that's so opposite of Derek Brunson. Do you remember the

1095
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: Whitaker fight. Remember he showed up with that jar. Basically

1096
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: that was like, this is the amount of energy and

1097
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: balls that I have ready for this fight, and he

1098
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: poured it over Witaker's head at the start of that.

1099
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: It was just like an absolute warr and he ended

1100
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Speaker 2: up getting stopped. And it's just sort of like, bro

1101
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: take a step back his full evolution. And I know

1102
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: you heard Dominic Cruz talking about him finally getting a

1103
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: full time coach at the age of thirty four, like

1104
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: finally sort of trying to figure this sport out. I

1105
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: like cal call, I like how poised it was. I

1106
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: like how strategic it was. He basically just wore heinish out.

1107
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: He did everything but enter the cage with a shaved head.

1108
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he's kind of got that ring going up

1109
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: there and you might want to fix that. Outside of that,

1110
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: that was a spectacular performance. Is spectacular from the standpoint

1111
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: of just doing the right things over and over again.

1112
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: And also Heinisch came out of there like a bat

1113
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: out of hell. He kicked him in the head and everything,

1114
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: and he gained his composure and then once he took

1115
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: away what heinis was trying to do, Heinisch never had

1116
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: it really another year except he was moving forward and

1117
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: he was trying to be in his face. But he

1118
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: didn't have really an attack that he could go to.

1119
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: So just a great veteran.

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Speaker 3: Jrunson would have taken that bait. He would goten kicked

1121
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: in the head.

1122
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: You've been like a absolutely right and veteran.

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Speaker 1: It was a veteran Movies. It's a smarter Derek Brunson,

1124
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: and I think he's always been physically pretty capable. This

1125
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: was a nice adjustment by him. All right, we're gonna

1126
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: go the questions. Yes in the back. I believe that's

1127
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: right time now for I think we call on it

1128
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: DMS with Donks. Look at this? How great is that?

1129
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: Look at that?

1130
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: I love that the dms from the Donks. Have you

1131
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: seen Laura Sanko's She doesn't show it to me.

1132
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 3: What are you talking?

1133
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh? She puts them on Twitter? Oh no, no, oh bro,

1134
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's bad. It's the the I

1135
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't even call it sexual harassment. That seems like a

1136
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: dignifying thing that it is you should check that out.

1137
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: I hope that.

1138
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: I hope I don't have to keep going all.

1139
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: Right, in an event, we have taken your questions and

1140
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: we shall go to them. First. Let's pull this up.

1141
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: This is from Riggins thirty two, John Riggins a great

1142
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: player for the Washington Redskins.

1143
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Great drink or two?

1144
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Do you think DC having so many connections and friends

1145
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: in the media, commentators, et cetera led to almost all

1146
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: the predictions being for him, and Stevepe's aversion to putting

1147
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: himself out there led to people underestimating his chances.

1148
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: People love underestimating Steve. You gotta understand that.

1149
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: Well he doesn't. He's not a very effective lobbyist on

1150
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: his behalf. Seems like everyone loves and what was rooting

1151
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: for DC, but Steepe was weirdly written off for such

1152
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: an accomplished and dangerous have you.

1153
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: We feel like you should handle this because you kind

1154
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: of nailed this on your spin off show Java for

1155
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 2: Jerks there with the with Job, where you basically said

1156
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: DC's the best politician for himself.

1157
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, well also, okay, so here's what I would say, generally,

1158
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: if you have some if you have two fighters, one

1159
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: is very media friendly, and one is not unless say

1160
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: they're relatively commensurate and ability. Yeah, there's going to be

1161
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: a bias there. The media is absolutely going to do that,

1162
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: and it's one of the problems with having You know,

1163
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: if you can hear Dominic Cruz, I don't blame him.

1164
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: He's his friend out there fighting. When Stepe is knuckling

1165
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: him to the canvas, you hear him say, oh no,

1166
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what he's a human being, like,

1167
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: he's reacting to somebody he cares about getting hurt, and

1168
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: so you're going to get these kinds of reactions. So

1169
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: I would say generally it's true. The only problem with

1170
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: it in the d C and Stepe cases they fought

1171
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: before and DC smoked them, and that I mean that

1172
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: I think was a big, big contact and was a

1173
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: champion and I never lost to that weight class. So

1174
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: is it possible that that's the thing that happens in

1175
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: other cases, No doubt about it. In this one little.

1176
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: Bit, I think what was overlooked by the media coming

1177
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: in was how much success Steepe actually had in the

1178
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: first round of their first fight, and it was so like, oh,

1179
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: DC knocked him out, We're gonna go that way. I

1180
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: mean DC was actually the only one ahead of the fight.

1181
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 2: He was saying, no, this fight could go the distance.

1182
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm thinner for a reason in this fight. You know,

1183
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: we could we could see where this is happening.

1184
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: And then, of course I.

1185
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: Think the steep A was winning the fight early in

1186
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: the first round. Narrative of the first fight is very overstated.

1187
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say winning. I was saying landing bombs. I'm

1188
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: saying having big success. I'm saying giving DC something to.

1189
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: Think about a little bit, a little bit. It's overstated.

1190
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: I was sitting six feet away. I was stating it

1191
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: just fine.

1192
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched it like fifty times. It's over It's

1193
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: not that I'm not telling you what you're saying is false,

1194
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: but it's it's overstated. It's overstated. All right, this comes

1195
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: to us from this is pot you or po two. Uh,

1196
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: Bro'm asking the patris O'Neal bit of Tolu. How smart

1197
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: is Nate Diaz to book the Pettus fight on his own,

1198
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: then Sequential start setting up a fight with mass buttal

1199
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grade this grammar, boy, I don't think I'm

1200
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: not We saw this Nate when he originally called out McGregor,

1201
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: but with the UFC forced to acknowledge his power, he

1202
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: hit it as a better chance of getting what he's

1203
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: looking for. I think Nate will be reinvigorated with an

1204
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: added feeling of control with his career versus waiting for

1205
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: the UFC to call and offer fights he doesn't want.

1206
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: What do you think.

1207
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: He's still not the matchmaker in the end, right, So

1208
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: it's going to come down to how much Dana White's

1209
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: willing to play ball. But he's certainly getting ahead of

1210
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: the game and being his own advocate in between booking

1211
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 2: the Petties fight, which this is what you just said,

1212
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: and starting and creating his own narrative now after this win,

1213
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: it's pretty damn smart. This is how you do it.

1214
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: If UFC's willing to play ball with you, this is how.

1215
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: You do it. This is boxing. This is what an

1216
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: a side in boxing does. Yes, they might get pressured

1217
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: into mandatory defenses, or there could be enough market pressure

1218
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: to say we want to see X versus Y, But

1219
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: a lot of times, Brian, it's a false A side

1220
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: looks around and says, all right, who is coming up?

1221
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: That I could get a good fight with that would sell,

1222
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: That'll boost my resume. I got a good chance of

1223
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: beating a little bit safe of a choice. But when

1224
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: I can still get the public to buy this is?

1225
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: This is boxing a side one on one right?

1226
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: Much? Is? You know? I don't know the rest?

1227
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: Hey by the rights? Right?

1228
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to Let's move to Jamal underscore

1229
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: martin two thousand and four. I wonder what happened in

1230
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and four that he made his name that.

1231
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: They've been born. You never know here.

1232
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's fifteen, he's got a beard.

1233
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't have access to his head shots.

1234
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, Cain Luke. Now DC are witnessing

1235
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: the fall of Aka's golden era of fighters champions. And

1236
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: how does this factor in for Habib as the last

1237
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: big AKA name due to fight in under a month.

1238
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought much about this. That is interesting, though,

1239
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: because you're right for a time and you had Luke

1240
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: as the champ rock hold. Of course you had sort

1241
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: of going back and forth been velask as I suppose

1242
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: in DC, and then you had this one. I would

1243
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: say this, Look, every camp is going to have a

1244
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: rise and fall, and how many champs they have or

1245
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: if they have any champs at all for one camp

1246
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: and son of a big one by the way, for

1247
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: one camp to have a lightweight champ, two different heavyweight champs,

1248
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: and a middleweight champ, as well as the sort of

1249
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: sundry other good fighters. And by the way, they had

1250
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, Thompson is a strike force champ, and everything

1251
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: else that tells you that they can do that in

1252
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: a replicable kind of way. They can recreate this now

1253
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: how soon, how often? How easily? You know, there's gonna

1254
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: be difficulty there. But to me it's like, could there

1255
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: be a dip coming in their overall sort of stock. Yes,

1256
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: but this is a blue chip stock because they have

1257
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: shown and abilities to do this across weight classes. And

1258
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: by the way, folks will say, well, Habib's not from Sacramento, right,

1259
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: You know this? You think Nick Saban only recruits from Tuscaloosa.

1260
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: You think he only goes around to like BfV Alabama. No,

1261
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: he's looking around. Who are the best players in California?

1262
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: His quarterback is Hawaiian. Who are the best players in Florida?

1263
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Who are the best players wherever? Who are the best

1264
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: players I can get? Of course is a preference with

1265
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: the ones in Alabama as a means of a as

1266
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: a constable of being a state school. But you get

1267
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: the idea. Part of being a big, big, successful athletic

1268
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: program is recruitment, and they did exactly all of that.

1269
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: So we'll see dip in the stock. Yes, still blue chip.

1270
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 2: By the way, shout out to Kane Unfortunately the loss

1271
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: of his mom. I don't know if you saw that

1272
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: Instagram post is not very touching. And Kane, by the way,

1273
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: saying multiple times lately in the media that like, this

1274
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: pro wrestling thing is not ending. He's already scheduled for

1275
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: a few more shows for Triple A when they come

1276
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: to the States coming up. Do you think he ever

1277
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: fights for the UFC heavyweight title again. I know he's

1278
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: still under contract with UFC. I know he's really enjoying

1279
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: this pro wrestling thing. I know the market for pro wrestling.

1280
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: I know you don't really want to talk about it,

1281
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: but it's blowing up right now. Aw's coming ww He's

1282
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,479
Speaker 2: got a lot.

1283
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: Of territories now. Soccer born every minute because I don't know, it's.

1284
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Speaker 2: It's crazy that Kane lost to in Ghanu. Because let's

1285
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: say Kane had out wrestled in Ghana. We said this

1286
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: last week. Kane Steepe is the fight to sort of

1287
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: define this era in some ways, so it's it's interesting

1288
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 2: that Kine's now on the outside looking in when.

1289
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: Also we didn't mention it. Not related to this question,

1290
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: but Max Holloway's incredible post posts about Daniel Cormier whatgnant

1291
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: message that was. If you've not seen it, please go

1292
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: to Max Holloway's Instagram page and have a and have

1293
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: a gander it. Yeah, please don't please don't dm Laura

1294
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: Senko things you'd like to do to her hashtagno because

1295
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: you're weird. All right? This comes to us from Abu

1296
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: Sasha looking ahead? But why is no one talking about

1297
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: how bad the UFC two forty two card is. I

1298
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: think the card we just saw is way better as

1299
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: UFC testing what Habib can carry off.

1300
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: I'll take this because UFC doesn't fill out foreign cards.

1301
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: Tell me the last foreign card, especially pay per views

1302
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: that they've loaded up. I mean, we're seeing a fight

1303
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: card in China this weekend that has a title fight

1304
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: on top and the bottom two two weekends, two weekends.

1305
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: We I think it's first.

1306
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: Okay and has like the bottom. The rest of the

1307
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 2: card is the bottom.

1308
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 3: You know those first.

1309
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: Two fights that they had on Face Spoke back in

1310
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 2: the day, that's the rest of the card.

1311
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: It's actually it's it's regional m m A with a

1312
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: UFC headlining exactly.

1313
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: So that's what they do on their national cards. And

1314
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: when you have one fight that people are going to

1315
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: pay for, it's a very boxing move, right to give

1316
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: you one big fight at the top. It almost doesn't

1317
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: matter after that good thing.

1318
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: We have to watch all the prelims and report on

1319
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: them for our job. That's fun. Uh Okay, if you

1320
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: and Brian Campbell were on death row, what would be

1321
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: your last meal? Wow?

1322
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 3: I like the way this guy thinks.

1323
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: Right, this is from a zal Daco. What'll be about

1324
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: last meal? Jesus, that's not a hard question, Luke. What

1325
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: what's your favorite meal? You wouldn't go back to your

1326
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: favorite I don't know if I have a favorite meal.

1327
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: Do we trust the prison to cook it? Or can

1328
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: I order?

1329
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: Like, Oh no, they'll go They'll get you whatever you

1330
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: want for so I can like uber eating, can do

1331
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: whatever you can. You can fly in a family member

1332
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: to cook it. You can go all out here.

1333
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: Gosh, you go first while I have pondo.

1334
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: Oh the traditional Thanksgiving meal. I mean, come on, if

1335
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: you're going to die and you have one.

1336
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: Meal, Thanksgiving me is the most overrated. And that's the

1337
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: one you're first of all. Wait, here's here's how I

1338
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: know what what your mouth is a suer.

1339
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: First of all, Thanksgiving is an American holiday. I know

1340
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: you grew up in cutter, but Thanksgiving meal is the

1341
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 2: most crazy.

1342
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Are you let me guess you think that cranberry jelly

1343
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: is good.

1344
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 2: Oh, it's fantastic, But that you got to understand that's

1345
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 2: that's that's that's toddler.

1346
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: This is your problem.

1347
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: That's one part of a meal that has like fifty elements.

1348
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: Okay, And when you add in turkey is the most Canadians.

1349
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: When you added meat pie, and that the.

1350
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: Turkey is the most overrated bird.

1351
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: The turkey is the actually and I guarantee you like

1352
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: it dry shift of all. I don't even really like

1353
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: turkey that much. I put it on my plate.

1354
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: Meat pie is the real center of a true Thanksgiving dinner.

1355
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: But when you add you take.

1356
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: The can of like the cranberry, you just chuck it

1357
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: on there like a savage, don't.

1358
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: You it's an It's an It's like saying, how could

1359
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: you like it's an accessory to the garbage kid. It's like,

1360
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: how could you watch you fc that face? The paste face?

1361
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: The paint song is so bad? How could you watch you?

1362
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: Exactly that cranberry takes up that much in my plate.

1363
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: But my whole point is Thanksgiving is the best halloway

1364
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: you want to It's best holiday because you're not worrying

1365
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: about gifts. Everybody comes home for it. It's a homecoming,

1366
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: so you can go out to your bar and have

1367
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: your you know, Thanksgiving eve, super.

1368
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to see whatever.

1369
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: And it's the three f's bro okay, football, food and family.

1370
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 3: That's all you need in life, all right.

1371
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: And if you don't play a backyard football game at

1372
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: your thing, and if you don't go to your high

1373
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: school's you know, morning Thanksgiving game, then you didn't grow.

1374
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: Up the right way. I guess I didn't grow up

1375
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: the right way then, be cause I don't want see

1376
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: anybody from high school first of all. Second of all,

1377
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: who are you in high school?

1378
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 3: Why are you so avoiding of going back to the past,

1379
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: Like who hurt you?

1380
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: No? It's not about hurting it. I wouldn't mind seeing

1381
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: my friends from high school, but like I grew up

1382
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: in a in like in and then grow up and

1383
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: I went to high school the last two years the

1384
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: school graduate from I grew up. I'll even say it,

1385
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: Marriott High School in Maryat of Georgia. It was How

1386
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: do you explain this? Imagine a bunch of people from

1387
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: a zero place who think that that zero place is special,

1388
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: but they don't know it because they're zero's. It's like that,

1389
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: Like there's people who call themselves like I'm from Old Marietta.

1390
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: You read at a fifth grade level? Why is that

1391
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: a thing? Who cares? These are people who look here.

1392
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever fried a turkey? No, I have not

1393
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: a turkey, and you're sitting here talking about Thanksgiving. If

1394
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: you've never had fried turkey, you don't know shit about turkey.

1395
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: There's one way to eat turkey, fry it, or chuck

1396
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: it into garbage. I can't tell you how many homes

1397
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: I've been to. I'm gonna go to so and So's

1398
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner and the cook this bird. To the point,

1399
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: why would you eat this food?

1400
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: Because if you're going to talk about Thanksgiving dinner and

1401
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: lead with turkey, then you don't have good things.

1402
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: Giving the centerpiece of the meal.

1403
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: It's a ceremonial centerpiece, like Santa Claus is the ceremonial centerpiece.

1404
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: For people that don't celebrate the Christian side of Christmas,

1405
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: then that's what it is.

1406
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: But the real thing is the fixtions. Bro.

1407
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: You put them together, they missed together. It becomes one

1408
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: big we're gonna do.

1409
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: We need to find a way to get together for Thanksgiving.

1410
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you how it's actually done.

1411
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: Can you show me how they do it in the

1412
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: Middle East? I would love to eat it from.

1413
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: The Middle East. D bag. My dad's American. My brother

1414
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: and my sister open and own a rector strunt.

1415
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: They can cook, all right, Invite me, Invite me down.

1416
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: Thanks, Josh. You know we don't eat fucking turkey.

1417
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: Back You got backyard football, yardbirds that you're sitting there eating.

1418
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: You got touch football in the backyards in those parts.

1419
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: You and I can my family the haters on football

1420
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: play one on one.

1421
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: That's great, all right, but we can toss it, you

1422
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1423
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: We can. Then drinks.

1424
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: Did you play high school football? Or did you at

1425
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: least live?

1426
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: I played for a year, but in the Deep South.

1427
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't care about that kind of stuff. It's just

1428
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: you know again, I'm from Old Marietta. Please stay in

1429
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Old Marietta while I go on and do things with

1430
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: my life. All right, odds and ends. Give me something

1431
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: that happened from over the weekend that a lot of

1432
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: folks did not see.

1433
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: That kind of matter, Well, it was last week and

1434
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: Twitter blew up on at least on the boxing side,

1435
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: did you happen to see Luke Anthony Joshua gave a

1436
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: string of interviews on British TV, including sort of in

1437
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: a sit down on Sky Sports where he told the

1438
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 2: untold truth of what happened and has lost Dandy Lewis Junior.

1439
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: And in these interviews he gave it to a couple

1440
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: different outlets. It was the first time he really sat

1441
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: down at length and sort of debunked the myths about

1442
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: did he come into that fighting, cuss and all that stuff.

1443
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: I respect him from the.

1444
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 3: Stand point that he's coming clean.

1445
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: He's he's willing to sit down and address point by

1446
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: point what happened in these but I think he gave

1447
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 2: too much.

1448
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: There's some of these statements that are really itching at me.

1449
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: Him basically saying Ruiz got lucky with one punch from

1450
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: the gods, dude, lucky punch, you got dropped four times.

1451
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: So all that sportsman's stuff was out the window.

1452
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: I only responded to the booing in round two. I

1453
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: didn't realize there was a fight in the crowd, and

1454
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the pressure on me from while

1455
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: they're getting a big knock out the week before in

1456
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: the first round, So I came out thinking I had

1457
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: to fight. Like, no, dude, here's what you do in

1458
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: this spot. You come out, you take your l you

1459
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: put over Ruiz to try to sell this rematch, and

1460
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: you don't tell people this stuff from inside your heart.

1461
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: You go back to the gym and every single day

1462
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: you grind and come back. The excuses that were seemingly

1463
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: coming out of his mouth, I would have beaten Ruiz

1464
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: nine out of ten times. This is just the one time.

1465
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, dude, the one time happened.

1466
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: So I don't want to hear aj that like this

1467
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: was Ruiz's super Bowl and I wasn't that fired up

1468
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: to face him, and I was just fine coming into

1469
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: the ring. You look shell shocked. You look like you

1470
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: had deer in the headlights. Look, there's a reason why

1471
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: after that fight your dad was attacking Eddie Hearn. Something

1472
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: happened in the build of the camp that wasn't right.

1473
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: It spilled over into fight night and you lost. But

1474
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: take the elbro, take the damn el. Go back in

1475
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: that gym, put on the Jurassic back. Come back ready

1476
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: to knock this fool out. But don't be blaming a

1477
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: lucky punch from the gods. All right, Like you know,

1478
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: we're kind of teetering here, you get a second loss here,

1479
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: this is big.

1480
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: Let's go back and work on this. No more excuses.

1481
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: I'll go two things. One, you were right. I was wrong.

1482
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: I had thought there'd be no way on Earth the

1483
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: UFC would ever give Jermaine Drandamy another title shot, even

1484
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: with narrow options.

1485
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: See where else what you're gonna stand on? Who else

1486
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: is gonna get it? They just cut camps and gone.

1487
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: I understand. It wasn't that I thought that, like, well,

1488
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: you have tons of great options. I just thought it

1489
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: was so nuclear that they just wouldn't even say yes.

1490
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: But you're right, UFC two forty five. I don't if

1491
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna headline, but certainly that's going to be on

1492
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: the card.

1493
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: What city is that in?

1494
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Jermaine Randemy is going to take

1495
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: on a man in this for a second time, which

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Speaker 1: is really interesting because Jamaine rander Mey can beat her.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that she will, but she certainly has

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Speaker 1: the possibility. So it's a decent fight.

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Speaker 3: If she can make that up fight that could get

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Speaker 3: very interest.

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Speaker 1: She could avoid the ground on the feet, I mean

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Speaker 1: a no, nos was very wary for the first time.

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Speaker 1: Yet second one. How about this in Risin? Uh so

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Speaker 1: the guy you followed Gebacca Hitman on Twitter Caposa.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I think I did I know who you're

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Speaker 3: speaking of.

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Speaker 1: He brought this up to me because I didn't realize this.

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Speaker 1: Apparently Riisin's answer to the Diaz Bros. Are two guys

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Speaker 1: I think it's called the Asakoro brothers who are like

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Speaker 1: street fighters turned MMA fighters. Well one of them flatlined

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Speaker 1: belatreamwaight and rising bantamweight champion killed Jijora Gucci. Look at this,

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Speaker 1: well he went to work on him. Look at I mean,

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Speaker 1: like there's no quarter here. He's given pow.

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Speaker 2: Most destructive risen Win. Since Floyd knocked out that twenty

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Speaker 2: year old kickboxer.

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Speaker 1: Bro this is attention, I said, kaw, well, wish he

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Speaker 1: got a death this sue. Wow, look at this nice

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Speaker 1: shot from him. In any event, dude, that was the

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Speaker 1: guy everyone was like, he beats Darien Caldwell. Oh he's

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Speaker 1: the man. He's better than Sahudo blah blah, and he

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Speaker 1: might be like he could just be a fluke lost

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01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: things happened, who knows how well he trained blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. But apparently the Asakura brothers again I'm new

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Speaker 1: to them, I admit apparently they're not to be trifled with,

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Speaker 1: and that there was nothing about that loss that looked

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Speaker 1: all that fluky to me. Now we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I guess he wants an immediate rematch, but he doesn't

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Speaker 1: even remember losing in the fight. So a bit of

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Speaker 1: a stock hit less so for Belator, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think a lot of folks are gonna know this. We're

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Speaker 1: bringing it up.

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Speaker 2: But interesting none the list and that writes to this,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if that just.

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Speaker 1: In any event, hell of an interesting development. So there

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Speaker 1: we are. Okay, So here's the truth about this. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say that on the air because I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the truth is. I might have Jerry duty on

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Speaker 1: Monday next Monday, No, I'm serious. I only will know

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Speaker 1: on Friday. I don't know if we're.

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Speaker 2: Walking told them straight up your communist.

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Speaker 1: You know what. That doesn't work as well as he

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Speaker 1: used to. I've tried that before. But so we're gonna see.

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Speaker 1: If I have Jerry duty, we're off next week. If not,

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01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: we'll be back. So I guess we'll find out.

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Speaker 2: I'll just in front of this camera by myself and

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Speaker 2: just just spit hot hot takes. Yeah, I know, but

1547
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Speaker 2: nineties karaoke, whatever you want.

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: It's a it's a two man show. Your social media

1549
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Speaker 1: channels or.

1550
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Speaker 2: What at b Campbell's CBS on Twitter at Brian C.

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01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: Campbell trying to kick start that Instagram thing there, so

1552
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: follow me, you know, for the Last of the Picks

1553
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

1554
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: If you want Brian Campbell, you can get that on Instagram.

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm at Luke Thomas News on Instagram and then just

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Speaker 1: L Thomas News on Take What L Yes, Take the L. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's just be the name of the podcast. Take the

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Speaker 1: L all right, We appreciate you guys tuning in. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed two forty one as much as we did.

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Speaker 1: See what happens about next week? As always, like the video,

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Speaker 1: subscribe and hey share it around. Folks have asked, by

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Speaker 1: the way, when's the show going to be a podcast?

1563
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: It already is. You can go and get it on

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Speaker 1: all your various platforms.

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Speaker 2: Some folks have also asked, is that Daniel Cormier or

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Speaker 2: John Jones or a more phation of both.

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Speaker 1: Back then, it's actually like, I think it's almost like

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Speaker 1: a Rashad Evans if you actually really look at it

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Speaker 1: kind of closely.

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Speaker 3: You look at that one, it kind of looks like

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Speaker 3: DC's beard.

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Speaker 1: Did they tell John Jones? I'm like, I don't buy that.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, that's got to be Dravante above And

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Speaker 2: a lot of people wondering, who are these people behind us?

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Speaker 1: Dravante with crabs or something?

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Speaker 2: Is this dude over here behind you? Is that Deontay Wilder?

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: Is that I can't figure it out?

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Speaker 1: Water Noon j Smith bare knuckle boxer Can Shamer. All right,

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Speaker 1: we got to go out of here. Appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: watching until next time. All of your gains be lord.