1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,279 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome on into the Betting Pros Podcast. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Thomas Viola, and we have a fantastic 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: show for you today. We're gonna be breaking down some NASCAR. 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: We got the Eminem's Fan Appreciation four hundred coming up. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about that. We're gonna be talking 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: a little macro, and we're gonna be talking about some 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: sports betting in general. Because we have one of the 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: absolute best betters I know on with us today joining us. 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: He is also basist for the band The White Stripes, 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Zach White. 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going. I appreciate you having me. 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm really glad to have you on. Zach, thank you 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: so much for your time. Obviously not actually the basis 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: for White Stripes, but a very, very incredibly accomplished gambler. 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: And before we get into the NASCAR, I want to 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: talk to you a little bit about that history. What 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: was it like coming into the sports betting world, because 18 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: you really were kind of on the cutting edge before 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: everything that we have seen balloon in the last several years. 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've I certainly haven't been in it 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: as long as a lot of a lot of people. 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: But for fifteen sixteen years or so, basically since I 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: was twenty one. You know, the landscape has definitely changed 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: the time since, you know, like like what you're talking about, 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: I mean the last three years ever since the New 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: Jersey thing and all the state started coming online. It's 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 3: a whole different ballgame now, but. 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: You know it was. 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: It's still a lot of fun. You know, there's still 30 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: a lot of fun times to be had. 31 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: It's a good you know, I like it. 32 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 3: I think it's a good thing that the way it's expanded, 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's created a lot of opportunity. 34 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: There's some things, you know, I still don't like, but 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun still. 36 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: There's a lot of money to be made, there's a 37 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: lot of good times to be had. 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: And you've certainly been one of those guys who's had 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: a lot of those great times. But what are some 40 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: of those things that you think have been some of 41 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: the flaws and the issues that we've kind of been 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: butting into, especially as of late, because you've seen the 43 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: industry kind of change over the last sixteen years. What 44 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: are some of the ways you think it's change for 45 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: the worst. 46 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the secret that everybody's complaining about the 47 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: same type of things, and it's you know, a lot 48 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: of these bigger companies that came into the scene are 49 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: just operating in a very poor fashion, you know, and 50 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: not optimal fashion, and they're not being care about a 51 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: lot of things, and they're doing some questionable marketing and 52 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: some questionable tactics that a lot of older school bookmakers 53 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: would have never considered doing or never considered acceptable. 54 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: And I think it's just. 55 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: A product mostly of putting people in charge that aren't qualified. 56 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 3: They don't know how to run a sportsbook in the 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: most efficient, the most profitable way, and they're kind of 58 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: just taking the easy way out, and it's to the 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: decument of sportsmanning community as a whole. 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: And what are some of those practices that betters who 61 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: were maybe just getting into it or who are trying 62 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: to better themselves and don't know necessarily what to watch 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: out for. What are some of those things that you'd 64 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: say that they should keep an eye out for. 65 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know, for a fresh sports better you know, 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: you're probably not going to encounter a lot of the 67 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: stuff that you know, veteran or sharp sports betters or 68 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: big sports betters are going to run into, like the 69 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: severe limiting the bands. But one of the ugliest things 70 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: that I think has happens, you know, is the marketing 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: tabics where these sportsbooks are pushing out their absolute products 72 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: that are the absolute worst for the consumer, that have 73 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: the highest house edges, that have rules that are written 74 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: very unfairly, that are not in line with industry standards, 75 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: and it's just kind of it puts a sour taste 76 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: in a lot of gamblers mouths that have been doing 77 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: it for a long time and know it shouldn't be 78 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: done that way. So you're kind of saying, I'm going 79 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: to entice this new player in, but I'm going to 80 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: give them the absolute worst of it, And then you know, 81 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: it's just it's not good for the industry exactly. 82 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Some of these house edges can be really tough because 83 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: if if you're a new better just coming into it, 84 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily spot some of those. You don't see 85 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: a line that's juiced at a completely ridiculous rate, or 86 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: if I mean you could even see with some of 87 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: these sportsbooks it's minus one twenty five each way on 88 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: a spread, and that's that that's a criminal amount of juice. 89 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: But someone who's just coming in and maybe doesn't know 90 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: what they're doing just yet. And that's completely it's completely okay. 91 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: We were all new at this at some point. I'm 92 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: certainly a lot newer at it than you are, and 93 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: they might just not notice something like that. And some 94 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: of these books are taking advantage of that. It's unfortunate. 95 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the ultimate hope is that as as sports 96 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: betting continues to grow and expand in the United States, 97 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: that's and the more confident operators can compete on the 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: on the pricing level and the fairness level, and the 99 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: and the value to the to the individual gambler and 100 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: the you know, right, more action now a smaller house 101 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: edge and still make a really good profit to a company. 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: But you're not you're not killing that new sports better 103 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: immediately by just fleecing its entire bank roll in the 104 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: first month, or you know, coming up with some weird 105 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: rule change halfway through the baseball season where it's you know, 106 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: it's going to going to really turn that person off 107 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: from doing business or even maybe betting it all anymore 108 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: because of how they were treated the first few times 109 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: they came and bet with the new company or something. 110 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: So you know, I'm hoping we see more of the 111 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: circles of the world and the West Gates of the world, 112 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: you know, keep expanding and growing and putting the opportunity 113 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 3: to compete on the on a pricing level and a 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: fairness level for everybody exactly. 115 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's what we all want. 116 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: We want this business to grow and grow in the 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: right way. 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Well, right, now 131 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: let's shift over to something a little more positive here, 132 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: because we have a great NASCAR race coming up this weekend, 133 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: and you know, this season has been an interesting one. 134 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: We of course saw Christopher Belt taking his first checkered 135 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: flag last week. 136 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: Is there anyone that you're looking at here? 137 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: Up at the top of the board, We've got Kyle Busch, 138 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: Kyle Larson, and Denny Hamlin. The there with Chase Elliott 139 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: is the top four favorites here. DraftKings has Bush at 140 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: seven to one, the other three at eight to one. 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you're that you maybe have your 142 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: eye on right now for this week? 143 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: Oh? You can't. 144 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: You can't mention Pokono without Denny Hamlin. You know, it's 145 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: his average finish there is like, I mean, he's raised 146 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: there a ton too. He's been doing a long time, 147 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: and I think he's got like an average fish tenth 148 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: or something and it's just super high. He's also been 149 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: pretty good at the downforce tracks this year in the 150 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: next gen car. So I guess the last one you 151 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: look back on is Nashville, and I think that he 152 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: went He led a whole bunch of laps. 153 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: There, I think, and. 154 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: It's just you know, it's his track, you know, and 155 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: you know, I think we're going to see some shifting 156 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: and it'll, you know, be the first time the new 157 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: car has. 158 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: Been on a on a non super Steedway track of 159 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: this this distance. But it should be a good race. 160 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: I would definitely keep an eye and consider, you know, 161 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: some Denny Hamlin at at eight or nine or. 162 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: So, if you can find something like that, And it certainly. 163 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: Seems like a fair price to me considering his history 164 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: of the track and how he's been so far this 165 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: year at the Downforce tracks, and. 166 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: You talk about that the Downforce tracks, things like that 167 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: for maybe someone who is new to NASCAR, certainly guilty. 168 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: I'm not. 169 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend to be an aficionado on 170 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: the sport. 171 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: But what what. 172 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: Is it that makes each race different? Like how do 173 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: you judge a course versus a driver versus the field? 174 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can kind of split all the tracks that 175 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: they race on thirty six races a year into four 176 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: or five different categories. 177 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: You have your super Speedways, your Daytoning, your Talladegas. 178 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: These are very long, high bank tracks and you can 179 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: throw Atlanta in that category now because since the repaid 180 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: there they're using the same restrictor plane, I know it's 181 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: not called that anymore, taper space or whatever. They're limiting 182 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: the horsepower of the engine basically to keep the cars 183 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: from going two hundred and fifty miles an hour, which 184 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: would be a very dangerous speed. So those are those 185 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: three tracks are completely different ball game because of the 186 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: way the car the engine is throttled, and so the 187 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: cars kind of race in a tighter pack. There there's 188 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: a lot of group, tightly bunched racing, and that sets 189 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: them apart from your other tracks, which I would call 190 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: downforce tracks. For the most part, these are your your Charlotte's, 191 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: you'r Atlanta's, your Michigan Pocono stuff, where era makes a 192 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: lot of difference because the car is going two hundred 193 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: miles an hour. Drafting makes a lot of difference in 194 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: these tracks, And so those would be your down enforced tracks. 195 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: You're anything from basically like Darlington's size up a mile 196 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: and a half, a mile and a third something like that. 197 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: But then then the next would be like a road course. 198 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: And there's a ton of them on the schedule this year. 199 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: It used to be there was just two courses a 200 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: year for years and years, but then NASCAR realized that 201 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: they had they were pretty popular with. 202 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: The fans, and we're coming more popular with the fans. 203 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: And so those are completely different because you're turning left 204 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: and right, you might have elevation changes, you might be 205 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: going anywhere for thirty miles an hour to one hundred 206 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: and ten hundred and twenty miles an hour at these tracks. 207 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: So that's a completely different ball game that requires a 208 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: completely different skill set from the driver. So you see 209 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: standouts for those category races where somebody is like a 210 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: road course specialist or just particularly talented excels at those 211 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: type of tracks. And then you have the short tracks 212 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: or the tracks that are flat like loud, we just 213 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 3: left there New Hampshire, your Dovers, your Bristols, your you know, 214 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: your Martinsville's. So these are tracks where the cars running 215 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: wide open, but it can only guess I passed with house. 216 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: The dis is short, the banking might not be as extreme. 217 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 3: So there are a segment of drivers that are just 218 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: really good at short that racing too. 219 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I certainly know. 220 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: My dad actually used to race a little bit of 221 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: short track, but on motorcycles. I've been out to some 222 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: of those they can be exciting events. It's very different 223 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: in that world versus the short track racing with four wheels, 224 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: but still a lot of funny the way, I encourage 225 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: anyone to get out there and check one of these 226 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: races out there are so much fun to go do. 227 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: Do you love sports betting as much as Calvin Ridley? 228 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: Are you willing to stake your career on it? Well, 229 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: here's your chance to win a sign Calvin Ridley Atlanta 230 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: Falcons jersey courtesy of our friends at Pristine Auction. Subscribe 231 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: to the Betting Pros YouTube channel right now, comment below 232 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: this video and that's it. 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Yeah. 242 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 3: Matchups you know were probably the second most popular way 243 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: to better NASCAR race just behind who's going to win. 244 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: So for years and decades that I've that with the 245 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: decade or so that I've been betting it, that was 246 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 3: pretty much the two major ways to bet NASCAR. You 247 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: can get who's going to win the race every now 248 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 3: and then somebody might put up who's going to be 249 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: in the top three, and then head to head matchups, 250 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: so usually there's a rotation that comes out of. 251 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: Fifty or so different matchups each week. 252 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: And then some unique independent sportsbooks would create their own 253 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: or then you'd have like the group where you're picking 254 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: the highest finishing driver out of a group of four 255 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: or five people. And then you know, as the menus 256 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: have expanded at some of these newer sportsbooks, you have 257 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: started to see some more props like you know which 258 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: manufacturer win will be leading at the state into stage one, 259 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: how many cautions there will be, what will be the 260 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: average speed of the race, and you know how many 261 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: people will finish on the lead lap, that type of 262 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: thing proposition. 263 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: And so with. 264 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: Betting on NASCAR, it's it is so much different than 265 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: trying to bet on another sport because you're not just 266 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: betting on humans. Here, there's so much machinery involved. How 267 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: is it that a NASCAR really differs from betting on 268 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: other sports, Like how do you take into account things 269 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: like driver ability, car quality, et cetera while you're handicapping 270 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: something like this. 271 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for sure, one hundred percent. There's a 272 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: lot of machine versus man type handicapping. And I think 273 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: this year in Partictar with the next gen car, the 274 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: machine segment of it definitely got tightened up a little bit. 275 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: So the difference of what the ability of a Hendrick 276 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: Motorsports machine in the past versus a bottom tier team 277 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: their machine was capable of was, you know, it might 278 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: have been a difference of several horsepower, a couple of 279 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: different a couple of miles per hour when you're talking 280 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: about on the track. So, you know, the teams that 281 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: didn't have the budget of Hindred Motorsports didn't have a 282 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: chance to really compete in years past. But that all 283 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: kind of changed this year with the next gen car 284 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: with a lot of parts and pieces that are regulated 285 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: by NASCAR very strictly or even provided by the exact 286 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: same source to these different teams. So the car that 287 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: a team in the past, you know, has now is 288 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: almost as good as a Hendrick Motorsports car or Joe 289 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: Gibbs car. So that has made for a lot of 290 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: exciting racing this year, I think. I mean, we're obviously 291 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: at fourteen different winners so far in the season, which 292 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: is pretty impressive compared to years past where you just 293 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 3: saw dominance from a couple of particular teams. 294 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you saw Kyle Larson just kept reeling 295 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: off victory after victory last season. It's been fun to 296 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: see how many different racers have been able to actually 297 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: pull out a win. And you know, I mean, parody 298 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: is better in all sports, and it also can create 299 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: some real value when it comes to gambling too. You're 300 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: not going to just be stuck with some heavy favorites 301 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: with low numbers here. You're going to be able to 302 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: find more of that value. And that's really what you're 303 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: looking for in these races. I know you you particularly, 304 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: it's all about finding that best possible number. How is 305 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: it that you're able to look at some of these 306 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: You talked about Denny Hamlin at eight to one being 307 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: a fair price. What is that calculation that goes like that? 308 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: You basically look at a number and say I have 309 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: value here, Like I have some sort of edge here. 310 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're in a lot of in a 311 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: lot of instances, you know, early in the week, when 312 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: you don't have a lot of information about what particular 313 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,239 Speaker 3: chassis team might be bringing or what they're how they unloaded, 314 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: you're kind of, you know, just eyeballing stuff. Earlier in 315 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: the week, you're saying, well, this is my best guess 316 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: about what kind of car this team is going to bring, 317 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: how they're going to perform at this track. So like, 318 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned that Denny example, and I'm not 319 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Denny at eight to one of 320 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: the great that and a lot of time these odds 321 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: to when markets have a pretty big house edge, so 322 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: you got to find something pretty substantial to bet it, 323 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: you know, midweek or so. But yeah, a lot of 324 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: things you're looking at you're making your best guess about 325 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: how what type of card, how fast they're they're going 326 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: to be running this week, and you and you're looking 327 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: at how this driver has performed these type of tracks 328 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: in the past. You're making guesses about are they going 329 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: to qualify? So he's going to be able to select 330 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: a pretty decent pit box. You know, did they lose 331 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: personnel last week? Did they get a penalty? You know, 332 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: are they in desperation mode? 333 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: Are we coming home to cut off? Like? 334 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: How is this driver going to be feeling the pressure 335 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: you know, this this particular week. 336 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: So, I mean it's a lot of different things. 337 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: Obviously I can't say all the secrets you know currently, 338 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: but you know, there's there's a lot of different angles 339 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: to look at as far as picking out value on 340 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: the outright market. 341 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's that's always the biggest questions, 342 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: and and and so much of it is just a 343 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: matter of experience and having been there for long enough 344 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: that it just kind of becomes that innate thing. I know, 345 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: we've certainly both talked with our friend and friend of 346 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: the show, Aaron Kessler about just being able to look 347 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: at a line and say that's off. 348 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 4: There's so much of it that maybe there is. 349 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Math involved, but it is also that gut feeling of 350 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: you just know it because you've been there for so 351 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: long that you can kind of see it. And it's 352 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,119 Speaker 1: about developing some of that experience. But with NASCAR in particular, 353 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: how is it that it's changed? How have you watched 354 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: this sport change and how you bet it over the 355 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: past decade. 356 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 357 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny you mentioned Kessler because I was 358 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: just talking to him a few days ago when I 359 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: was out in Vegas, and you know, there was one 360 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: point earlier in this year where Kyle Larson was like 361 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: eight plus eight fifty to win a race, and I 362 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: was like, I'm not sure that there's a race on 363 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: the circuit that I wouldn't bet. I wasn't like Daytonne 364 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: or something that I wouldn't bet Larson at eight to one. 365 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: But that was, you know, that was a while back 366 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: when we had that conversation the first time. 367 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: And then I was like, well, you know, the way 368 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: things have shaked out this year, you know, you're just 369 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: not seeing that dominant from a particular team, more particular 370 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: driver anymore. 371 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: So. 372 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: So the way things have changed, to get back to 373 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: your question, is you know this year there's been a 374 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 3: tremendous amount change. All those changes with with the with 375 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: the generation of car has obviously made made a big 376 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: difference and the way things the way the amount of 377 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: information that's out there as far from a gambling perspective, 378 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: is a lot more in the past few years too 379 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: than what it was ten or fifteen years ago when 380 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: I first started, you know, in the mid two thousands, 381 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: when you're looking at how to how to gauge how 382 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: fast the driver was going to be or how good 383 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: a team was going to be a particular week, you 384 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: might not have but a few little tidbits of data. 385 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: To go off. 386 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: It is like, where he ran at a similar track 387 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: earlier this year, is he going to be bringing that 388 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: same car back? Is the surface the track surface the same? 389 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: You know, we're going to expect the same type of 390 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: tirewear and the same you know performance from this from 391 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: this driver at this at this new track. And then 392 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: that might be all you y Come Friday or Saturday, 393 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: you see a qualifying number, you see a highest practice number, 394 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: but that wasn't worth all that much. A two years later, 395 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: they changed the way the information got distributed and so 396 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: you could watch practice. 397 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 2: It started being on TV more. 398 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: You could get like an average speed and how fast 399 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: somebody was over a ten lap average doing practice. And 400 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: for years there was two or maybe even three practice 401 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: session each weekend, so you had a lot of data 402 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: to look at. And then I guess it was in 403 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: the early twenty twenty twelve where I started realizing, well, 404 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: you know, this information is out there. 405 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: I don't need just an average. What if I get 406 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: every single every single lap sign every single time they turned. 407 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 3: To laugh on the track and practice, Like, maybe there's 408 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: a way for me to get that. And sure enough, 409 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: you know, with a little programming experience, you can extract 410 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: that information. You know, there was a one point where 411 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: before it was available on the internet. I was, you know, 412 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: I was joking with some of my partners. I said, 413 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: we should just send somebody down to the track every 414 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: week and you know, look over the Truck Series guys 415 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: shoulders because they all have monitors that everybody's speed and 416 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: there a lot of different data points and how much 417 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: would how much would it comes from me to you know, 418 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: sponsor this Truck Series team or this Xfinity Series team 419 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: for a season. But they let me in exchange, they 420 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: let me have access to some of the stuff that's. 421 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: Not you know, widely available. 422 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: So now, like as as you know, gambling progresses in 423 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: the years go on and more and more people have 424 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: access to the same information, you kind of have to 425 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 3: change your tactics. You know, everybody knows about the average 426 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: practice speed now, so including the guy who's setting the line, 427 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: so there's just really not much value to be extracted 428 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: from that anymore. So you have to kind of look 429 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: for other little tidbits here and there to try to 430 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: figure out. 431 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: Just a little bit better guess. 432 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: About how somebody's going to do than what the book 433 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: bankers and what your competition as a professional better has. 434 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: Want to track all of your wagers in one place, 435 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: check out the Betting prospicktracker at bettingpros dot com slash 436 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: pick tracking. 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And you talked about 446 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: that the information being widely available is great for betters 447 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: because you can make a more informed bet. But the 448 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: flip side is the books have that same information and 449 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: they're able to use that when they're setting the lines. 450 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: And it's made lines a lot tighter, right. 451 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: Sure, And that's that's not NASCAR specific, that's any any 452 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 3: smart you know, if you're not if you're not improving 453 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: your handicapping every single year or maybe even in the 454 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: middle of the season, then you're not going to win 455 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: using the same tactics year after year. You have to 456 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: do something to continuously stay a little bit ahead of 457 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: the book makers. And a little bit of how your 458 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: betting competition. 459 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: And another thing that I want to get to get 460 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: to with here with you long shots be is we 461 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: talked about some of the favorites. We talked about handling 462 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: being up there at the top. But I mean, you 463 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: look at some of these riders of me at Ty 464 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Dillon and BJ McLeod down here in a thousand to one. 465 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: You're not necessarily looking on betting them. But how do 466 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: you look at a racer and where do you start 467 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: drawing the line on some of these guys that are 468 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: a little further down the field, like you got Chase 469 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: Briscou at thirty to one, Suarez at thirty to one. 470 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not necessarily throwing them out as potential 471 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: winners for this race. I'm just saying there's a wide 472 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: range of options here once you get down into some 473 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: of these numbers where you're still getting a pretty high 474 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: payout on some of these guys. Kurt Bush twenty to one. 475 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying here, How do 476 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: you draw the line on long shots where you're saying 477 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: there's some value here? 478 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that this year has proven that 479 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: there's you know, you're really way way down in the 480 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: field before you say, well, this person does not having 481 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: a chance at all. I mean in the years past, 482 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 3: you could knock off half the field immediately cause well, 483 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: their equipment sucks, or they're going to be driving at 484 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: two miles an hour slower than the leaders and they're 485 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: going to be trapped the lap down immediately, so they 486 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 3: would be like a miracle for them to pull something off. 487 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 2: And then the very bottom of the of. 488 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: The tier, the last ten teams, you know, most of 489 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 3: them wouldn't even bring enough tires, you know, to the 490 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 3: track to complete the whole race. 491 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: They just didn't plan on them. 492 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: They were starting and parking or something similar where they 493 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: were just there running some sponsorship time, getting a little 494 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 3: bit of the purse, and then going on to the 495 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: next race, they knew that they have a chance to win. 496 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 3: You know, in twenty twenty two, I think there's only 497 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: a handful of teams that that don't have any shot 498 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: at all to win. And then at some races like Atlanta, 499 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 3: a dayton Ontal, they maybe they do have a shot win. 500 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: Maybe that that. 501 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: Uh Todd Gilliland or you know, somebody like that is 502 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: able to just maintain speed, be on the lead lap 503 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: and make a make a move at the. 504 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: End of the Daytona and win. 505 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: So this year, you know, when we were first at 506 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: the beginning of the season, when you're at futures and stuff, 507 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: I mean I was able to pick off a couple 508 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: of good things, but I really missed out on some 509 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: big value on these these teams like track House in 510 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: twenty three eleven, which had drivers in one hundred to 511 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: two hundred to one range, and then they've all won. 512 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: Races this year, so they're in the playoffs. 513 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 3: So now they're twenty or thirty to one, and you know, 514 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: had we had I I had an idea that the 515 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 3: that the teams were going to tighten up as far 516 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: as the difference of the equipment, you know, and how 517 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: everybody's pretty much starting with the same chassing the same engine. 518 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: Now that we would see some some new drivers win 519 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: a race, but I just not expect it to be 520 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: exactly to the. 521 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 2: Extreme that it has been this year with fourteen different winners. 522 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: All Right, my last question for you, is there anyone 523 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: here for the Polcono's that you're looking at in that 524 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: maybe mid to long shot category, anyone that we can 525 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: give out on the show here, so taking. 526 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: The truth like I I'm actually going up to Virginia 527 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: tomorrow to that and I haven't. I haven't looked that 528 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: closely at it yet, and I was planning on doing 529 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: that later today, But. 530 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: I don't have one for you. I did like when 531 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: you said Brisco. 532 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: Thirty that that's one of my drivers that I'm pretty 533 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: high on this year. You had the success with the 534 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: win early in the season, is kind of you know, 535 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: not not have the runs as good lately. 536 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: But he is a guy I've had my I don't know. 537 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: I think he's a. 538 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 3: Talented driver, especially when you deal with shifting on some 539 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: of these tracks, and I think they will be shifting 540 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: over the turnal turnternal tunnel turn at pot and of 541 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: if not every turn so you got a guy like 542 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: him who's who's a pretty pretty great driver and the 543 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: shifting driver, and there there could be some value there 544 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: at thirty to one. 545 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: All right, Zach, thank you so much for joining me 546 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: here today. I really appreciate the time. 547 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 548 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: Where can people find you all around the internet and 549 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 4: what you're doing? 550 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I kind of go in waves 551 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: of my activity on the social media and stuff. But 552 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 3: you can find me on at gamble balls on Twitter. 553 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 3: That's probably the best best place to find me. 554 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: And if anyone wanted to stop buying in the Carolinas 555 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: and get a nic for refreshing adult beverage, where should 556 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: they go? 557 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: You can find me here on the coast of North Carolina. 558 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: It's a little town north of Wilmington called Surf City, and. 559 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: I have a brewery and taper here in a private 560 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: event space, which is where I'm hanging out right now, 561 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: trying to avoid the noise, which has it worked out 562 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 3: very good. 563 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, come by and see. 564 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: Me all right for you? Oh there we go? Oh man, 565 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 4: I need to get myself a beer. 566 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: You're a little ahead of me on the time right now, 567 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: but I'll be catching up to you in a bit 568 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: my friend. 569 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: Thank you again so much. Guys. 570 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: Once again, you can follow him at gamble Balls on Twitter, 571 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: find me at TV at work. Thank you so much 572 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: for checking in with us today. Don't forget to tune 573 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: in for our next episode. 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