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Speaker 1: Want to win in twenty twenty five, Well you build

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Speaker 1: around Kyler Murray. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny

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Speaker 1: Shrek joins me. Seems like a no brainer, right. If

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Speaker 1: then do what you can on both sides of the

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Speaker 1: wall to support your franchise quarterback. We've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: of that last month at Scouting Combine. We share two

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Speaker 1: of those conversations right now from the NFL Network, Cynthia

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Speaker 1: Freeland and Mark Ross. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight

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Speaker 1: sixty four, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Bu to Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 4: What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 1: He's it again, some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig trailer.

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Speaker 1: So we're four weeks removed from the Scouting Combine and

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Speaker 1: it feels like it. Actually, Danny, it feels a lot

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Speaker 1: longer than four weeks, because a month ago this week,

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Speaker 1: we were talking to a number of different personalities, and

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Speaker 1: that to me seems like almost half a year ago,

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Speaker 1: considering all that has happened and how busy that week was,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's free agency, and

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Speaker 1: now there's a little bit of a down period before

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Speaker 1: we ramp things up again because April's around the corner

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Speaker 1: and that's the draft.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it, it has flown by. It's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: I did the math, so you didn't have to great

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Speaker 1: eleven total interviews in Indianapolis, we have played eight. There

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Speaker 1: are six currently up on the Cardinals official YouTube page,

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Speaker 1: with more to come ahead of the draft. And we've

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Speaker 1: got two interviews on this show, both from the NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: Our conversations with Cynthia Freeland, analytics experts and Mark Ross,

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Speaker 1: former front office executive with the Giants, Eagles, and Bills.

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Speaker 1: Want to start though with Cynthia, but before we hear

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Speaker 1: from her, where do you stand on analytics in the NFL?

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Speaker 5: Hmmm, It's a tricky question. It almost depends. Analytics has

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Speaker 5: whether it's third down, four down, are you going for

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Speaker 5: the field goal? Right, If you score a touchdown, do

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Speaker 5: and that is something that analytics do get a bad

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Speaker 5: That so it's not a blanket statement of hey, this

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Speaker 5: to me, is not something that you rely on for

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Speaker 5: I do think it's cool the way it has progressed,

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Speaker 1: Even though Jonathan Gannon doesn't believe in momentum, there is

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Speaker 5: I'm curious though, to get even a little deeper on that.

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Speaker 1: Interesting though, the only other team that had zero pass

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Speaker 6: The funny part about analytics is like, in some ways

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Speaker 5: Analytics comes up a lot when you're talking about going

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Speaker 6: How do those things kind of play out? Like what

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Speaker 5: With your process? Given what the Cardinals need where this

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Speaker 6: Well, it's all kind of changed now that I did

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Speaker 6: I would imagine to me pass rusher corner. Those are

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Speaker 4: The last time.

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Speaker 5: Kyler is a pretty good chance.

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Speaker 6: It was incredible, it was I was like, love it.

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Speaker 1: He is a huge chess player, and there is He

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Speaker 6: And Larry was on that as well.

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Speaker 6: I love Larry, like I think Larry is. I don't

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's I think Fitz would be okay with

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Speaker 6: Like that's how I learned football was Barry Sanders. So

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Speaker 6: Fitz was like, I'm not old enough for you. See.

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Speaker 1: There we go on the subject of the Cardinals this

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Speaker 6: I'm a huge offensive line person. So if you're gonna

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Speaker 6: Like I want to play the video game with that.

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Speaker 6: I also want the defense. Now, Jonathan Gannon can like

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Speaker 6: the two areas, I would look so pass rush, potentially corner,

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Speaker 5: Looking at the twenty twenty five areas of success and

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Speaker 6: I think it's wide open. I think this is going

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Speaker 6: It's wide open though, but again I'll think of eleven

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Speaker 1: We saw a lot the postseason's success was certainly based

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to tweak every single season. It's like

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Speaker 6: Like so you know, we saw running become it's back

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Speaker 6: it away? And that's it's it's hard because this year,

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Speaker 6: Maybe you look a little bit more like the Eagles

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Speaker 6: curious to see when we were things net out. I

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Speaker 6: but we'll start to see that trend go back to passing.

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Speaker 6: It's just the way it is right pass run.

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Speaker 1: Yes, appreciate it. Cynthia's great. So finally you sit down

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Speaker 6: My parents live in Arizona, so I'm a big fan, okay,

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Speaker 1: It always good to have another carriers on a Cardinals

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Speaker 1: fan in the mix. So if Cynthia's parents happen to

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Speaker 1: be listening, thank you welcome, help you stick around that

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Speaker 1: I was great. I was not expecting her to throw

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Speaker 3: But hey, a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of people love to live in Arizona because, as

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Speaker 5: That's true, and the sunshine is hitting. Oh yeah, you

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we're not even in April. Has the

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Speaker 5: Has, although I will say i've kind of I've had

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Speaker 1: So when it's extreme, when it's uncomfort at eighty four

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Speaker 5: No, Like I when we get to the summer, and

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Speaker 5: We get to the point though, where I when I

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Speaker 3: Hot, I would be freezing.

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Speaker 3: Hep, it's about.

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Speaker 5: So how cool do you turn it down when you sleep.

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Speaker 3: In the summer, as long as it's about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, seventy seven, yeah sleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still good with seventy seven. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a fan on?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm still good about seventy seventy seven?

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Speaker 5: And you don't have a fan on and you sleep in.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm in shock. It's too bad. Well,

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Speaker 1: and again appreciate Cynthia joining us. We'll get to Mark

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Speaker 5: Wow. That must be nice.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes Cody again, Cody behind the glass. Sometimes I just

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Speaker 5: You're salad without dressing, sleep in the summertime in seventy

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Speaker 1: And as everyone, or at least my boss learned earlier

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Speaker 3: Not all that great.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't going to bring that up.

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Speaker 1: We just made a left hand turn here in the

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Speaker 1: middle of Cardinals cover to which is old.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, your handwriting is abysmal, But it is impressive that

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Speaker 5: you are able to read what you write, and that

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Speaker 5: is really all that matters.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's become a thing people are now. Have I

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Speaker 1: poured her mouth now?

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Speaker 5: All of a sudden, I prefer getting emails from you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can read the hand written notes. Here's a

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Speaker 1: sticking out here. You go, Danny, this is what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that. Let's let's pivot back here,

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Speaker 1: get the train back on the track. Cynthia brought up

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Speaker 1: how competitive or how wide open the NFC West is

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Speaker 1: going to be or projecting to be, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a fair statement considering again, both Cynthia and Mark

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Speaker 1: joined us before the start of free agency, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen Matthew Stafford didn't go anywhere, Demante Adams now his

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, Gino Smith traded out of the division. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold's now quarterback in the Seahawks forty nine ers. What's

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Speaker 1: going on with them? They're losing players, not really bringing

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Speaker 1: anyone back outside of Kyle Eustchek and Brock party what

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Speaker 1: happens there. So I do think as far as stability

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Speaker 1: from the top down, you got to look at the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals as far as being the most stable from front

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Speaker 1: office to coaching staff, to quarterback to players. You can

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Speaker 1: make an argument, and I'm going to do that right now,

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Speaker 1: that the most stable franchise in the division is the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: There's no question the fact that the Cardinals were as

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Speaker 5: competitive as they were last year in the division, the

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Speaker 5: expectation is for you to be even more so, and honestly,

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Speaker 5: with the season having not started, but looking around kind

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Speaker 5: of at the expectations and projections, this is Arizona's division

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Speaker 5: to lose. You have that stability, you have proven that

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Speaker 5: you are competitive, you have proven that you can win games,

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Speaker 5: and the moves that the Cardinals have made have really

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Speaker 5: really deepened and strengthened position rooms where they needed help

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Speaker 5: when you're looking on the defensive line and at the

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Speaker 5: edge rusher position. So I like the Cardinals odds when

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Speaker 5: you're looking around the division, and Seattle is interesting because

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Speaker 5: you bring Cooper Cuppen, who is a proven receiver back

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Speaker 5: end of his career, and Sam Darnald, who was a

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Speaker 5: very big question mark that was a huge surprise in

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Speaker 5: Minnesota last year. They brought him in originally to compete

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Speaker 5: and likely be the backup to JJ McCarthy. The rookie

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Speaker 5: got hurt before the season started, and Donald just popped

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Speaker 5: off in Minnesota. He trailed off at the end, though,

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Speaker 5: So what kind of Donald is Seattle getting there and

487
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Speaker 5: what is his consistently level going to be? That nobody

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Speaker 5: really saw early on in his career. It's just kind

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Speaker 5: of riding the high of what he had last season.

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Speaker 5: San Francisco, you mentioned is losing a bunch of players,

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Speaker 5: not really bringing anybody in. Their window has absolutely closed

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Speaker 5: when they were knocking on the door of the Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl the last couple of years. LA is also interesting.

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Speaker 5: Matthew Stafford a very proven quarterback back into his career,

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Speaker 5: but he still seems to be a problem against the

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Speaker 5: Cardinals every year. DeVante Adams is a huge question mark.

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Speaker 5: What are you getting with him?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Like, what did we see the last couple of years

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Speaker 5: from him in New York, given they had quarterback questions?

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Speaker 5: What'd you see from him in Vegas? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't necessarily see that as a guaranteed formidable threat

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Speaker 5: opposite of Puka Nakua. I think that's a big question

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Speaker 5: mark in LA as well. Now LA's defense that is

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Speaker 5: still something absolutely yes, and that is a defense that

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Speaker 5: has performed well against the Cardinals. Now Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 5: has looked good against their secondary, so that is a plus.

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Speaker 5: All in all to say, the consistency, the competitiveness, and

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Speaker 5: the way this Cardinals team is trending, this is their

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Speaker 5: division to lose. They are the only organization without a

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Speaker 5: question is ascending and all three other organizations within the

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Speaker 5: NFC West, it's more of a question mark a little

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Speaker 5: bit bumpy.

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Speaker 1: Glad you used that word consistency, because that's the word

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Speaker 1: that Mark Ross used a couple of different times during

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Speaker 1: my conversation. You was out, I wouldn't say on assignment.

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Speaker 1: You were interviewing at the time general manager Monty Hustin

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Speaker 1: Ford in the stadium. So Mark Ross joined me on

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Speaker 1: Radio Row and we talked about the consistency for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior his thoughts on the NFC West. But

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Speaker 1: the conversation really began because, as a former front office executive,

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Speaker 1: asked him to compare the scouting combine now versus when

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Speaker 1: he was working in the league.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is great, stress free, not worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Boo.

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Speaker 4: Guys running jump and interviewing people up all night, so

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Speaker 4: I could just come here and do my hits in

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Speaker 4: time some forties and have some fun. So the stress

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Speaker 4: level is minus a thousand for me at this point

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Speaker 4: of the year being with the network.

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Speaker 1: How well though, has it grown as far as number

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Speaker 1: of US media Row Radio Row and the number of people,

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Speaker 1: the fan involvement as well, because once upon a time

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Speaker 1: this was not televised. Now all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 1: become a tent pole event for the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think my first combine was in nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 4: and we would come here, do our business. There's a

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Speaker 4: couple interviews here and there. Of course there's no fans,

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Speaker 4: and you just keep it moving. And each year you

541
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Speaker 4: saw it creeping up and growing. And when the NFL

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Speaker 4: network got involved and it got televised, and of course

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Speaker 4: people in football are like, why in the world would

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Speaker 4: anybody watch people run? And sure enough people tune in

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Speaker 4: watch it run. Of course, building all the speculation with

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Speaker 4: team sites and radio and each year it's just really

547
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Speaker 4: created a monster where what happens on the field really

548
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Speaker 4: is not even significant. I mean, it's really about how

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Speaker 4: we're creating this interest in creating more buzz and creating

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Speaker 4: more storylines for the NFL through the lens of what's

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Speaker 4: happening on the field, and really that's been swallowed up

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Speaker 4: by the big media.

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Speaker 1: How do you rank then, from your perspective, the on

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Speaker 1: field workouts, the medical testing, the interviews between prospect and

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Speaker 1: team that's all happening this week. We kind of hear

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Speaker 1: different things. Once upon a time, back in the day,

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Speaker 1: it was all right, we want to see these guys

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Speaker 1: what they can do on the field. Now it seems

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Speaker 1: like some of that testing is kind of more for

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Speaker 1: show than anything else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Really, you know, I'd always been a stickler to

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Speaker 4: what they do on the film is really ninety nine

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Speaker 4: percent of how players, great players become, you know, great

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Speaker 4: players are you know pretty much. And now, at least

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Speaker 4: back then, people didn't train as much for the forties

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Speaker 4: in the workout, so there was still that little bit

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Speaker 4: of you know what, what are they and you could

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Speaker 4: see some now they trained so much for it that

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Speaker 4: it's not even football drills anymore. It's just have you

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Speaker 4: trained out of your mind to be ready for this?

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Speaker 4: And it's not a true ind cater of football ability.

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Speaker 4: But yet we come here every year and we go

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Speaker 4: through it again and create so much buzz. You know,

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Speaker 4: let's let's just use Shador Sanders as a as an example.

575
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Speaker 4: Not throwing. We've got, oh, he's not throwing, he's not throwing,

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Speaker 4: And there's been zero correlation between throwing at the combine

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Speaker 4: and whether you're good or ben and if you don't,

578
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Speaker 4: whether you're good or bad. But yet we're doing it

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Speaker 4: once again another year of oh my gosh, Dan Sanders

580
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Speaker 4: is hiding he can't play because he's not throwing. So

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Speaker 4: you know, we have to create all of that that buzz.

582
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Speaker 4: But for the most part, the on field stuff is

583
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Speaker 4: not an indicator of how you play. The medical stuff,

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Speaker 4: of course, is wildly important to dig in on what

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Speaker 4: they are. And then of course the character stuff as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, if people have some issues in the past,

587
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Speaker 4: just to sit down with those players and say, you know,

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Speaker 4: what's really going on.

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Speaker 1: Let's fast flashback a year ago. At this time, Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior did not address the media, didn't do any

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Speaker 1: on field work, did meet with the team's handful of teams,

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals draft him with the fourth overall pick.

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Speaker 1: What you saw, what your expectations were for Marvin coming

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Speaker 1: out of Ohio State versus what you saw in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had.

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Speaker 4: My expectations were super high. I thought he was the

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Speaker 4: best receiver I had done in a while, So my

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Speaker 4: expectations were very, very high. You know, I think he

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Speaker 4: had his flashes, he had his moments. I think there's

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Speaker 4: still more there and I think he will get better.

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Speaker 4: And you know, a lot of that quarterback team, a

603
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Speaker 4: lot of that goes into it. But you know, with

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Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas, Junior was really an unbelievable

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Speaker 4: first round of wide receivers and he kind of got

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Speaker 4: overpassed by those guys were coming into it. I thought

607
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Speaker 4: he was better than them, you know, close but better.

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Speaker 4: So it'll be fun to see his growth and to

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Speaker 4: see what it did. But nothing he did here that

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Speaker 4: we had anything to do with how he played on

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Speaker 4: the field. You know, there's so much time between what

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Speaker 4: happened at the combine and how he played. But I

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Speaker 4: expect a lot more from him.

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Speaker 1: It was easier to kind of figure out a handful

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Speaker 1: of players of the Cardinals might look at with the

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Speaker 1: fourth overall pick now picking sixteen, much different means you

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Speaker 1: had a better season. Yet at the same time, that

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Speaker 1: seems like talking with people that it could be a

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Speaker 1: number of different position groups but mainly focused at the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: Do you see it the same way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the offense and protecting Kyler and getting

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Speaker 4: him as much support as possible has to be the focus.

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Speaker 4: And again talk about flashes. We've seen the flashes from

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Speaker 4: Kyler where he looks like I'm a top He's a

626
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Speaker 4: top five quarterback in the league, and then the flashes a, well,

627
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Speaker 4: this is not quite going right. So for everybody at

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Speaker 4: an organization, it has to start and end with him

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Speaker 4: and his success and giving him as much resources as

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Speaker 4: possible to make sure nothing's left on the table to say,

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Speaker 4: you know what, we didn't do everything possible to make

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Speaker 4: him succeed. So yes, I think that has to be

633
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Speaker 4: a focal point. Now, again, you don't want to force things,

634
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Speaker 4: and you want to make sure you still take the

635
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Speaker 4: best player when you're there at sixteen. But if there's

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Speaker 4: somebody right there in a sweet spot that can help Kyler,

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Speaker 4: I think you have to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's protect the quarterback, it's get to the quarterback. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, it's a copycat lee. We saw the

640
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Speaker 1: teams that were successful in the postseason get after opposing quarterbacks.

641
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Speaker 1: The Cardinals would like to affect the quarterback a lot more.

642
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Speaker 1: Is that the best way line of scrimmage, edge rusher,

643
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Speaker 1: combination of both.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's doing the same thing. There's no secrets. In the NFL,

645
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Speaker 4: you know, everybody wants to do the same thing. I

646
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: mean with the Giants with our two Super bowls. Of course,

647
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Speaker 4: I don't know if we started the trend, but you

648
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Speaker 4: know of having so many defensive linemen and go get

649
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Speaker 4: Brady and then everybody said, well, just do what the

650
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Speaker 4: Giants do. Well, you know you had to get all

651
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Speaker 4: those players. You still have to hit on all these players.

652
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Speaker 4: You can't just say we need to get guys on

653
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Speaker 4: the line. You have to hit on players like the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: They like the people say, what's the success with the Eagles, Well,

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Speaker 4: they've hit on every draft pick. That's the success, not

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Speaker 4: the philosophy. It's they crushed getting stars for four years

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Speaker 4: in a row in the draft and signing free agents

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Speaker 4: that really crushed it. You know, some misses here or there,

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Speaker 4: but for the most part, they've hit on all their

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Speaker 4: personnel decisions big time. So any advice that had to

661
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Speaker 4: the team, hit on all your your picks and free

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Speaker 4: agent signings.

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Speaker 1: It's easier said than done, and it's very simple for

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Speaker 1: fans to say, all right, for you're not successful year one,

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Speaker 1: you're a bust. The patience that you have to have

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Speaker 1: as a coaching staff a front office to say, right,

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Speaker 1: maybe not what we wanted in year one, but the

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Speaker 1: jump to year two to year three before all right,

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Speaker 1: now we've got to pivot somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you see, you have to see flashes.

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Speaker 4: And there's certain guys you draft, you know right away

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Speaker 4: he's got it, he's gonna be And there's certain guys

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Speaker 4: that you know like, oh man, we might have made

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Speaker 4: a mistake here. And then there's others where you see

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Speaker 4: the flat you know something's there, and you see the flashes,

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Speaker 4: and those are the ones you really have to invest

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Speaker 4: in and say, okay, maybe a year of maturity, his

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Speaker 4: body gets bigger, getting healthy something. There's a lot of

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Speaker 4: factors that go into why players sort of struggle out

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Speaker 4: of the gate, and yes, you need to give them time,

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Speaker 4: the coaching, the comfort level with the team to make sure, okay,

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Speaker 4: we made the right decision, but you have to see

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Speaker 4: those flashes along the way to say we're doing the

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Speaker 4: right thing. And if you don't, like, well, maybe we

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Speaker 4: should cut bait here.

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen some flashes from the Cardinals four

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Speaker 1: wins to eight wins, that's a big jump. What's the

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Speaker 1: next step that you would like to see for Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Gannon's team to where it's not knocking on the door,

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Speaker 1: but in the post.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about consistency. And it's anything in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: whether it's these draft picks, whether it's coaches, whether it's

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Speaker 4: in game decisions. It's how consistent you do things well

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Speaker 4: and how the bad things are, how consistently you do

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Speaker 4: bad things. So you're trying to get on this edge

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Speaker 4: of it of let's consistently do things well, and for

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals it's that. And it gets back to Kyler again,

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Speaker 4: and it's how well he plays at a high level,

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Speaker 4: how consistently he plays at a high level, and from

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Speaker 4: that everything will go and flow through him and the organization,

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Speaker 4: the defense gets better, everyone gets better through Kyler. He's

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Speaker 4: the guy for better or for worse. I mean, that's

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Speaker 4: a position he's in, and he's the more consistent he plays,

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Speaker 4: the more he plays like, hey, look, I look like

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Speaker 4: a top five quarterback in the league, then everything will go.

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Speaker 4: You'll get to twelve wins next year.

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Speaker 1: From your perspective on the outside, sometimes we're too close

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Speaker 1: to the situation within the NFC West and perhaps some

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Speaker 1: turnover this offseason, depending on what's going on with the Rams,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the forty nine ers, a lot of turno

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Speaker 1: all a very single year with them, but they continue

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Speaker 1: to be a team that you have to contend with.

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Speaker 1: But within the NFC West, how do the Cardinals break

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Speaker 1: that glass?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's wide open. As you mentioned, you

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Speaker 4: don't know what's happening with those teams. When I'm looking

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Speaker 4: at the division again, getting back to Kyler, I'll take

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Speaker 4: I'm taking Kyler of that situation. I'm taking him. So

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Speaker 4: it's I think the Cardinals, if they make the right decisions,

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Speaker 4: should say going into next year, you know, we're the

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Speaker 4: best team. And of course forty nine ers I think

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Speaker 4: at this point is maybe more of the nostalgia of

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Speaker 4: it and like it's the forty nine ers as opposed to, well,

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Speaker 4: are they really better than us? And that's really the

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Speaker 4: way the Cardinals have to approach it. Better than them.

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Speaker 4: We have better personnel than they do, we have better

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Speaker 4: coaching than they do, and we can go take this

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Speaker 4: division again.

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Speaker 1: As we talked about after hearing from Cynthia Frielan, the

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Speaker 1: NFC West is therefore the taking. According to Mark Ross,

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Speaker 1: which is I think what we dissected certainly that is expected.

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Speaker 1: Something also Mark brought up was Marvin Harrison Junior and

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Speaker 1: the expectations for him in year one. Maybe not quite Mets,

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Speaker 1: but they were so high. But there is I do

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Speaker 1: think another step, another level for MHJA to take numbers aside,

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Speaker 1: and I keep going back to the word impact. How

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Speaker 1: big of an impact did Marvin have in year one?

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Speaker 1: There are flashes, but can you do it now on

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Speaker 1: a more consistent basis?

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Speaker 5: We talked about consistency with this team in the NFC West.

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Speaker 5: It's consistency for a step that needs to be taken

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Speaker 5: for Harrison going into year two, which is normal, that's

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Speaker 5: not something that is you unique to him. In the

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Speaker 5: rookie year that he had, which was still a good year,

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Speaker 5: you need more consistency. It wasn't until the final two

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Speaker 5: games of the regular season that he had back to

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Speaker 5: back weeks with fifty or more receiving yards. There were

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Speaker 5: moments where he came down with those contested catches and

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Speaker 5: that he was able to create enough space right and

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Speaker 5: be that deep threat wasn't consistent enough. There were instances

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Speaker 5: where Harrison would pop off in the first quarter and

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Speaker 5: then not even receive a target until late in the fourth.

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Speaker 5: That's something that needs to be figured out. And that's

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Speaker 5: kind of all encompassing of having the confidence and working

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Speaker 5: on the route tree and the timing and the connection

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Speaker 5: and communication with his quarterback, all of those things, which

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Speaker 5: again are normal going from year one to year two.

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Speaker 5: Something that Harrison himself talked about wide receivers. Coach Drew

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Speaker 5: Tourell at the end of the season talked about it,

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Speaker 5: wanting to see more from Harrison and knowing that he

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Speaker 5: has more to give.

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Speaker 1: Sixty two catches, what was it, one hundred and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven targets, I mean that catch percentage

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Speaker 1: has got to be better.

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Speaker 3: And then okay, yeah, there were.

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Speaker 1: Moments Week two against the Rams at home, there were

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Speaker 1: moments on the road in Miami. Can you string together

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Speaker 1: more consistent play first of the fourth quarter, because you're right,

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Speaker 1: how many times in the first quarter, first half all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden disappears? Now was he taken away or

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Speaker 1: was the attention because he drew something? Now all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you got to pivot and find something else.

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Speaker 1: But if you're going true number one, they are good

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Speaker 1: first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter, regardless of

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Speaker 1: the defense and what they're doing, because you need to dictate,

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Speaker 1: don't be dictated too.

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Speaker 3: And I think too many times that's what was happening.

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Speaker 5: That's a question that this front office needs to answer

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Speaker 5: this offseason when you're looking about where you want to

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Speaker 5: improve in the passing game. Do you already have the

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Speaker 5: pieces you need or do you need to bring somebody in?

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Speaker 5: And it kind of starts looking at Michael Wilson. I

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Speaker 5: think Wilson has done a lot of good things. You

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Speaker 5: have seen improvement from year one to year two for

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Speaker 5: him and expect the same going into year three. Is

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Speaker 5: he a true number two? And that's a question that

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Speaker 5: has to be answered. And if the answer is no,

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Speaker 5: is that in the draft Again, I don't think that's

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Speaker 5: a position that is taken at sixteen per se? Or

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Speaker 5: is that you want a veteran presence. Maybe Michael Wilson

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Speaker 5: is the number two they want on this team and

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Speaker 5: you just need a speedy receiver, somebody in the slot

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Speaker 5: that can really just lengthen the field and create some

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Speaker 5: sort of threat downfield to take some of that pressure

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Speaker 5: off of Harrison. The question, though, is Okay, if it's

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Speaker 5: a free agent, you're gonna bring in a veteran, how

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Speaker 5: much are you gonna pay him, because they're not gonna

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Speaker 5: come in and be the number one receiver. Because you

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Speaker 5: have that checked in Harrison, you also are giving some

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Speaker 5: of those passes to not only just Wilson but McBride.

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Speaker 5: You like to use Connor out of the backfield. So

802
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of things you have to consider. It

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Speaker 5: all starts with a question of what do we need

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Speaker 5: to do in order to open up the passing game,

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Speaker 5: be more consistent and more formidable, and do we have

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Speaker 5: those pieces in the room or do we need to

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Speaker 5: start looking elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: No question that there are still questions remaining about this team,

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Speaker 1: and there's time to get it done, whether that's in

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Speaker 1: free agency or the draft coming up. And I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest question has been answered here on Cardinals cover too,

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Speaker 1: is that is I just keep my house way too.

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Speaker 3: Warm for the liking of someone like.

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Speaker 5: Danny's right, Really crazy, Craig. It's like one hundred and

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Speaker 5: twenty degrees in the heat of the summer, and you're

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Speaker 5: telling me you leave your house at seventy seven and

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Speaker 5: that's what you sleep in.

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Speaker 3: That's what I yess.

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Speaker 1: Now during the day when there's no one around, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's cranked up to like eighty four eighty five, but

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Speaker 1: then you cool it down to I'm good at seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: Anything like below seventy five, I'm I'm cold. It's yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta put Oh my gosh, give it a little

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Speaker 1: bit more time, Danny. You haven't been in the desert

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Speaker 1: that long.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I really got to start, like

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Speaker 5: just I have to force my body to get used

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Speaker 5: to the heat. Maybe so I don't have to spend

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Speaker 5: and as much as I have to spend on a

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Speaker 5: monthly basis.

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Speaker 1: Maybe just that the thermostat a degree or two and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're you're saving a boatload of money.

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Speaker 3: I'm here to help.

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Speaker 1: But the most important thing is that you're comfortable. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's the bottom line. Because good night's sleep means

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Speaker 1: come in here refreshed and ready to go.

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Speaker 5: I know that that's that's the battle there.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully, uh, hopefully things cool down for you before they

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Speaker 1: heat back up again.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, it's getting pretty hot out here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not not liking it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't even hit April yet and almost almost one

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Speaker 1: hundred degrees. Almost all right, Let's let's cool things down

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Speaker 1: a little bit here. We will put a lot on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by a Hundai

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Onma Hunter, our associate producer

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Speaker 1: Cody Fincher.

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Speaker 3: For Danny Sirek, I'm Craig Rayelou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover

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