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Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zamas when San Atennani, Stevens, Brian Sexton,

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Speaker 1: and John Oser are with me as we go over everything.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars are gonna prepare for the Titans this week, but

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Speaker 1: we started with big thing number one, which is officially official.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars entered Monday with a less than one percent

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Speaker 1: chance of making the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: They now enter later into the week with zero percent

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Speaker 2: chance of making the playoffs. Brian, this is.

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Speaker 1: Something we kind of saw coming. It's happened to the

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Speaker 1: scene before, but this one hurts a little bit extra.

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Speaker 1: But considering the expectations going into the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes the letdown a little bit further down.

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Speaker 3: We've been hoping John for weeks that they would start

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a winning streak so that at

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Speaker 3: least at some point in December you'd have a meaningful

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Speaker 3: game Like if this then that which is always where

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Speaker 4: To be, especially at the holidays.

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Speaker 3: There's people, you know, whether it gets cold and people

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Speaker 3: are inside and they're watching football, and you just want

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Speaker 3: your team to even have the slightest glimmer of hope

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Speaker 3: and there is none, and what you really want to

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Speaker 3: make sure is that apathy doesn't set in and people

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Speaker 3: just don't paying attention to you because you're not in

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Speaker 3: the mix whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: The officially official thing was a bummer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's been common. It reminds me a lot

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Speaker 5: of eighteen when they came in with high hopes, had

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Speaker 5: a decent start, unlike this year, and then it has

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Speaker 5: sort of petered out and by the end you knew

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Speaker 5: it was over.

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Speaker 4: It's disappointing.

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Speaker 5: This team has had bad seasons, too many bad seasons

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Speaker 5: for fourteen years. But because of the expectations, guy, this

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Speaker 5: is obviously up with, you know, the two or three

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Speaker 5: most disappointing seasons.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, our big thing.

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Speaker 1: Number two is going to be to play or not

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Speaker 1: to play. We talk about the Jaguars no longer in

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Speaker 1: the playoff hunts at this point, Trevor Lawrence in concussion protocol,

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Speaker 1: but he's also dealing with a shoulder injury before that,

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Speaker 1: So do you play him going forward?

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Speaker 2: Doug Peterson talked a little bit about that decision.

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Speaker 6: You got to take it all into consideration, obviously, and

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Speaker 6: and you know, make make a smart choice, make a

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Speaker 6: you know, make a headsy sort of determination with him

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Speaker 6: and his health. And then obviously you know.

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Speaker 1: Where we are as a team right now, John, No

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Speaker 1: decision has been made at this point. Five more games

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Speaker 1: to go with this season, but as you mentioned, no

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Speaker 1: playoff chances. Trevor's been playing hurt already. What do you

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Speaker 1: think will end up happening with you?

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Speaker 5: Well, it feels like this is very fluid and very

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Speaker 5: still real time. I will say, just trying to interpret

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Speaker 5: Doug's voice, tone, words, it will be considered to not

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Speaker 5: play Trevor again. It's hard to know what that decision

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Speaker 5: will be because when you're speculating on players playing because

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Speaker 5: of health issues and you don't know it's exactly the health.

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Speaker 5: How fast does he come back from my protocol? How

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Speaker 5: bad is the shoulder? It's easy to say, Brian, oh,

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Speaker 5: sit him. But there's some nuances there in terms of health,

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Speaker 5: in terms of things that I think they have to

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Speaker 5: be decided. My guess is they'll lean toward not playing them,

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Speaker 5: with a lot of discussions still to come on that point.

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Speaker 3: Brian, we're just interpreting here. I heard Doug say in

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Speaker 3: my head, he's done right. He just the way that

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Speaker 3: Doug communicates the last couple of years, he left the

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Speaker 3: door wide open and he would narrow it.

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Speaker 4: In fact, talking to him before last week's.

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Speaker 3: Game about Trevor's return, you know, you want to send

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Speaker 3: the message to the locker room that we're all in

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Speaker 3: on every game left on the schedule. There's the development

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Speaker 3: that we've talked about John with the young players and

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Speaker 3: making sure that they had their best opportunities ahead of them.

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Speaker 3: But that and the fact that the Jaguars signed former

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Speaker 3: Bishop Kenny quarterback Johnny Wolford to the practice squad this week,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just checkbox, checkbox, checkbox. I would be

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Speaker 3: stun if we see Trevor Lawrence again. And I would

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Speaker 3: say this because I have been that guy that says,

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Speaker 3: if he's healthy, you play him. Because of all the

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Speaker 3: reasons that we just discussed the fencing posture right that

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Speaker 4: I would focus on getting.

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Speaker 3: Him ready to go into the off season healthy, whatever

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Speaker 1: We're going to go to our final big thing now,

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Speaker 1: which is the suspension. Suspension coming down from the NFL

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Speaker 1: as he's Alshi here has been suspended for three games

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Speaker 1: for that hit on Trevor Lawrence. He'll be appealing that suspension.

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Speaker 5: Ran.

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Speaker 1: I think we all assumed the suspension was coming, but

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Speaker 1: trying to set a tone with the three games here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've read that it's two hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars a game, which puts it at seven hundred

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Speaker 3: and ninety five thousand dollars. That's a big mistake, and

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Speaker 3: the three game suspension is a black mark on his record.

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Speaker 3: It will travel with him wherever he goes in terms

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Speaker 3: But you know, when you lead with the forearm John

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Speaker 3: like he did. I mean, it was just it was brutal.

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Speaker 3: If they had suspended him for the rest of the season,

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Speaker 3: which would only be one more game, I would have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know some fans aren't happy about the length.

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Speaker 5: Based on what the NFL does in these situations, that

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Speaker 5: felt like a pretty stiff penalty to me. I think

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Speaker 5: it was the least that they could do had they

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Speaker 5: done four or five games. My guess is the pushback

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Speaker 5: don't know how you look at that hit and not

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Speaker 5: think it has to be multiple games. Three is fine.

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Speaker 5: Four would have been fine somewhere in that ring. You know.

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Speaker 3: Listen, a late hit on the quarterback is one thing

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Speaker 3: you're gonna get. They're gonna get a fine, right. But

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Speaker 3: I think in any case John, where you lead with

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Speaker 3: physical aspect out of the game. There's gonna be hits

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Speaker 3: that you don't like. But the way that he led

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Speaker 3: with that forearm was vicious. And I don't know how

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Speaker 3: you say it wasn't intentional. He can say only once.

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Speaker 3: That's not in my heart. But that's not what's on TV.

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Speaker 3: That's not what's gonna leave it infa me on the

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Speaker 3: internet for years and years. You lead with this towards

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Speaker 3: another player's head and neck. Man, as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 3: they can't suspend you enough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's uh. Look, I got an even to Bay saying, well,

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Speaker 5: it was calculated. I don't know that. Before the game,

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Speaker 5: the video of it, it's hard to argue that something

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Speaker 5: said on Monday, if he wasn't going after it, if

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Speaker 5: Trevor hadn't slid, then he's going after knees. You have

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Speaker 5: very measured people like Foyer is saying, look, there was

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Speaker 5: no way that I was going to be a clean

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Speaker 5: he was doing, calling it a dirty play. NFL players

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Speaker 5: usually don't react as the Jaguars have reacted to this. Again,

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Speaker 5: you had to suspend. This felt like the minium you

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit more about that reaction coming up

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Speaker 2: This that.

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Speaker 5: This os.

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Speaker 6: No I. You know, I definitely appreciate how our team responded,

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean protecting the quarterback and and all

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Speaker 6: of that. Obviously, you hate to see it escalate to

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Speaker 6: where it went but you know the second half of

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Speaker 6: the football game too. There the officials basically worn both teams.

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Speaker 6: It was a no tolerance. It was a zero tolerance

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Speaker 6: You know, it was a tough, physical football game in

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Speaker 6: anything anything that escalated from you know, from that hit.

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Speaker 1: In the first half. Welcome back into jack XAM and

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson talking a little bit about his team's reaction

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Speaker 1: to that hit on Trevor Lawrence, what that spilled into,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk a little this for that

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Speaker 1: with that, because I think hear in Jacksonville from some

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Speaker 1: thought more should have been done after what happened to

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Speaker 1: Trevor in terms of saliation or whatnot on the field,

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Speaker 1: saying Jaguars overreacted.

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Speaker 2: So I think I know where we all stand.

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Speaker 1: On this, but let's talk it out a little bit

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Speaker 1: because I think obviously your visceral reaction Evan Ingram, obviously

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Speaker 1: Everyone's emotions were high.

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Speaker 3: I think I said on the show on Monday that

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Speaker 4: Good person, but a good coach.

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Speaker 3: Well, Doug Peterson just schooled him on how to handle

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Speaker 3: this right. I mean, I know some people in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 3: But the job is to win the game, not the fight.

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Speaker 3: And Doug knew that he had to keep his team

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Speaker 4: I'm the emotional guy.

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Speaker 3: I like that, but I get that that's not who

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Speaker 3: the respect I had was here. It's gone down a

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Speaker 4: I mean, it just seemed like crap to me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, some of my most reserved friends. I had a

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Speaker 5: text from my buddy and him know who he is,

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Speaker 5: eight version text of I've lost respect for Doug after this,

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Speaker 5: And I get there's that feeling in the fan base.

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Speaker 5: Doug takes the approach coaching that he's going to try

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Speaker 5: to have an even keel, and he bends toward that.

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Speaker 5: It's a conscious effort. So there's no way Doug wasn't

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Speaker 5: a journalist, I try when there's a situation like this

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Speaker 5: try to maybe find okay, we're all emotional about it.

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Speaker 4: What did he mean?

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Speaker 5: I couldn't do it on this one. I mean, to

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Speaker 4: It was absurd.

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Speaker 5: So but I get that he has he has to

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Speaker 1: Defensive line for me, if we're picking today, when I

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into Jags Am. Today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about what's going on

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Speaker 5: The Colts are what the Jaguar should have been right now.

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Speaker 4: I think that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you else what else is going on the

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Speaker 3: And let's get going on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Come on, it starts when that's up front.

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