1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: All right, Mets fans, instant reaction emergency episode. We technically 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: had an episode out earlier that was supposed to come 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: out earlier on YouTube but didn't. It's gonna be out tomorrow. 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Jesse Winker just signed with the New York Mets. I 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: buried the lead Jesse Winker back with the New York Mets, 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: s and ys reporting it's a one year, eight million 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: dollar deal. 8 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: This is this is big news. 9 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily because Jesse winkers back, but it's because 10 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: of what Andy Martino said, being that bringing Jesse Winker 11 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: back and the Mets are now moving on to Plan 12 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: B and expecting Pete Alonso to sign elsewhere. A lot 13 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: going on and what seems like a move that's not 14 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: that big now, Mark and I just got mister Crabs 15 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: mem for everyone else listening, because we were literally in 16 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: an interview with Lance Brastowski's going to m out maybe 17 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: in a week or two, just going over all Mets 18 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: pitching stuff, Mets prospect stuff, and then we got this news. 19 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: And then I was just scrolling on Twitter while it 20 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: was happening, and I was like, oh my god, the 21 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: pi Alonzo thing right there. So it's a lot to 22 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: tap right now. This is the truest interaction we've ever 23 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: had because we're literally just got off that and we 24 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: were instantly in another thing reacting right now. I don't 25 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: know if I believe Andy Martino. 26 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think I do. 27 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: I think this could be a Paulsive steal moment from 28 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: David Surns is. My my balls are bigger than yours. 29 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: But are we just being dumb? Are we being stupid? 30 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Are we? Are we just not able to actually understand 31 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: the fact that pelons it might not be in the 32 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Mets next year? And that's our problem. Like, I can't 33 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: tell if this is real because this has come right 34 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: after last night. Apparently the Mets told pe Alonzo decide 35 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: soon and then twelve like fourteen hours, seventeen hours hours 36 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: like soon happened. This was soon soon asleep on this 37 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: offer and then soon passed. And then that response came 38 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: out from Ken Rosenbald. The Blue Jays and other teams 39 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: are tet talking to Pee Alonzo. That's like all right, 40 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: Jesse Winker, one year, eight million dollars, Yeah, I. 41 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: Mean it seems like more and more. 42 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Maybe Pete really isn't just gonna be a Met. But 43 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: it goes down to this situation of again, who is 44 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna sign Pete at the price that he wants, because 45 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: the Mets seemingly were the only team that would make 46 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: sense for the price point ish that he wants. But 47 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna be the Blue Jess, you're gonna pay 48 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: pe Alonzo all this money and not use that money 49 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: to try and give extra to Vlad Junior. Like that 50 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me, Like, I don't think 51 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: that's probably if the Blue Jays have so much money. 52 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: The Blue Jess are one of the richest teams in baseball, 53 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: I know, but they didn't offer vladre you're anything even 54 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: close to what he wanted? Well, it seems like that 55 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: they're not even close. I think it seems like Vlad 56 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: is well, he's well on his way to the open market. 57 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna stop him doing that. I think the second one, 58 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: so his name of the god lines Blaid Junior is like, 59 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a pure free agent. People are 60 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: going to come to me and they're going to bid. 61 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: But I think it's really, really, really interesting that the 62 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: worthing that Andy Martinez used in his tweet about this 63 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: p Alonzo thing. The Mets have pivoted the Plan B 64 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: post Alonzo. They now consider it the most likely outcome 65 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: that Alonzo will sign elsewhere. That to me is not 66 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: him saying the Mets are out in Alonzo. The Mets 67 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: have moved on and that will I don't think that 68 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: literally will happen until he's on another team. But all 69 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: I think this is that the Mets continue to circle 70 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: the dream with Alonzo and are like, we want you 71 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: to sign a one year deals. That's where we are, 72 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: and we think it's not in your worst interest on 73 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: a one year deal too, and do this again after 74 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: hitting for you home runs, because you're gonna be hitting 75 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: behind Juan Solo for a year and he's gonna be 76 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: on first base in forty four percent of your play 77 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: the appearances. So then next year you're not gonna have 78 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: qualifying offer you can get more money, and like, if 79 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: the option is that or just spinning mediocrity for the 80 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: next five years of your life with the Los Angeles 81 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: Angeles of Anaheim and become a completely forgotten baseball player. Yeah, 82 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: like that, I don't know, Like truthfully, like I think 83 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: that right now, I would love to be like, I'm 84 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: sure right now pe Loanz's war room, like his cell 85 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: phone hanging out him and Haley, I'm sure there's it's 86 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: crazy feelings right now. It's the SpongeBob meme where the 87 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: fire is happening. Everything's fine, everything's fine, Like it doesn't 88 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: feel like things are fine for Pete Alonzo. It feels 89 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: like they're more fine for the Mets than it is 90 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: for Pete right now, which is something that I didn't 91 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: expect to be saying. Honestly, I felt like the Mets 92 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: need to have Pete Alonzo, but it seems like like 93 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: Jesse Winker signing weirdly, so much to do with this, 94 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: even though it also doesn't but like are they gonna 95 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: try and teach him how to play first base? 96 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: Like is that a possibility? 97 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean, why not pick up the mists? Scott had 98 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: it breaks down? But Alce again, Like also, this just 99 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: seems like back to your take, like a Balls of 100 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Steal moments from David Stearns where he's like, if you're 101 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: not taking this offer, like we're not. We're not playing 102 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the Scott Boris game. We're not this is this season 103 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: is too important to wait until March to figure this 104 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: thing out. Because you have John Hamm and Joel Sherman 105 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Andy Martino all within ninety seconds of each other using 106 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: the exact same language. The Mets are looking more seriously 107 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: the other options, the mess of resign, Jessey Winker, the 108 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Perr have been moving on from the ped Alonzo like. 109 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: It seems like a very coordinated effect. I know, if 110 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: anybody listened to the audio thing that we put out 111 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: earlier today, if you're gonna lit see us on YouTube 112 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: on Friday, it does seem like every single day all 113 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: this Pilanza stuff has been very, very well well thought out, 114 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, we're far apart. We're talking flat Junior, 115 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: like here's an ultimatum. The ped Alonso comes first with 116 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: the exclusive offer just to the Mets. None of the 117 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: stuff's an accent. This is all happening. It's a song 118 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: and dance between Sterns and Boris right now, and that's 119 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: just where we are. And I think there's even something 120 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: to the fact that the Mets said we need an 121 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: answer soon, and then it just comes in that the 122 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Blue Jays are interested, and it's almost like, oh, well, 123 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: our answer is you're looking at other teams Okay, Jesse Winker, 124 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: welcome back. Let's start thinking about who the other guys are. 125 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: If you're gonna look at other teams and you think 126 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a better offer, good luck, Bud, Like, 127 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: we're not doing it. It's it's making me feel things 128 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: that I don't want to feel about Pedal Alonso because 129 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't have a single bad feeling or memory or 130 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: a hard bone in my heart towards Pete Alonzo. Bone 131 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: in your own, my body, bone in my body, bone 132 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: in my body. Yeah, bone in my heart wasn't right. 133 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: I have a bad feeling in my heart, bone in 134 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: my body. I put the two together a classic mark. 135 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: But like, at the same time, it's like, dude, at 136 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: some point you have to like he has to take 137 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: control of this himself and be like, how do I 138 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: not want to play for the Mets for at least 139 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: one more year? Like you said, Juan Soto's gonna be 140 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: on base forty four percent of the time, Lindor's gonna 141 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: be on base thirty four thirty five percent. 142 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: Of the time. 143 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: So you're talking about two guys in front of you 144 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: in the lineup that will be on base together fifteen 145 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: to twenty percent of the time with your hitting, there's 146 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: gonna be no outs like this is that's that's a 147 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: dream scenario. And if he wants to be if he's 148 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: chasing the money, if he's going after it, if he 149 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: wants to be the highest paid first base in all time, 150 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: Like you said, I wish the best for him out 151 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles with the Angels, go play for the 152 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: Blue Jays. I hope you have a successful career. But 153 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: is that is that what Pete wants? Is he's just 154 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: chasing the money? That feels wrong. I'll I'll put two 155 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: hands up right now. I'll I'll never chastise an athlete 156 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: for chasing the money. You have a very limited window 157 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: in your life where you are one of the best 158 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: on earth at something. You should be looking for top 159 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: dollar as consistently as possible. Let's say like you have 160 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: a very small window. Smaller window when you're a chubby 161 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: first baseman to get paid the way you deserved. It's 162 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: even smaller window when you come up at what twenty 163 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: four years old, like pi Alonso did. So this there 164 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: probably is a fleeting feeling with Pete in his camp 165 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: about how much money he can actually earn his major 166 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: league baseball career. But the flip side of that is, 167 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, like, are are you being are you 168 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: being penny wise? Dollar foolish? Maybe? Like is there is 169 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: there more to be gained? And also like is Pete? 170 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I think Pete loves the fame? I really do. I 171 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: think a big part of Pete's montra Pete' attitude, hope 172 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: he has grown into as a player, a person's an athlete, 173 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: is he loves this spotlight. This is it, dude, Like 174 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: this is your spotlight, this is your piece. Like, I 175 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: don't know, Like, I think part of this problem too 176 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: is that he I think is an expectation that the 177 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Mets were gonna pay him for that fame for all 178 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: these years. Yeah, I don't think he expected a shrewd 179 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: general manager, the shrewd president to walk in the door 180 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: two years ago and make this much more difficult than 181 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: he thought it was going to ever be. Well, dude, 182 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: he had Billy Eppler in the offseason offer him him 183 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: all that money. 184 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is what you're offering me. 185 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: Now, just wait and see what you're gonna have to 186 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: give me one a hit free agency, then David Serves 187 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: walks in the door, and I'm sure Pete Lawns went, 188 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: oh fuck. 189 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: Like damn it, We're so close. What did we do? 190 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: How did we mess this up? 191 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: And that isn't even Boris's fault for declining the previous one, 192 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: which makes me think it's a lot of peat now, 193 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: which is bizarre. I also think it's hilarious that I'm 194 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: on a CONT's contract right now. Baseball Perspectus is a 195 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: contract tool. There's five other people are now in the 196 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Mets page. There's usually no one else on these Google 197 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: sheets that have these contracts. People are locked into this 198 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: right now and right now. With Jesse Winkers one year 199 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: eight million dollars, that puts the Mets to two hundred 200 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: and eighty five million dollars for salary for next year. 201 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: So that just put them over the third luxury tax 202 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: threshold and sixteen million dollars clear of the last threshold. Again, 203 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't think the Mets are afraid in any way 204 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: shape or for him going over that tax line. I 205 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: think literally not at all. In fact, I think it's 206 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: better than a seventy eighty percent chance the Mets go 207 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: over that line. But I do think that there's a 208 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: world where that date love to not be over that 209 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: line for one year and reset some of these penalties 210 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: and not get that draft pick doc for one time 211 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: for the next fifteen years. And I do think that 212 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: now with sixteen million dollars, you can sign two relievers 213 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: and stay under that line. It'd be three hundred and 214 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: a half million dollars. And you're like, wow, we're not this, 215 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: We're not in the contact right now. We might go 216 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: over at the trade deadline. We're very happy to do it. 217 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: And I don't think the Mets again in any way, 218 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: shape orform, are scared to spend as much night as 219 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: possible for the best team on the field. 220 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: But we still need a first baseman. 221 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, totally, they still need the first baseman. I mean, 222 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: but again, or do they need a third baseman. That's 223 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and we've been saying it before. If 224 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: Brett Baty's name was Fret Frady and he was ostracized 225 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: from the Seattle Mariners, We'll all be like, this is 226 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: the best bylow opportunity the Mets could have for a 227 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: corner infielder right now, because there's so much down there. 228 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Jesse BEng Grass peld article about Brett Bay. This morning 229 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: I get a chance to read the I'm definitely going 230 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: to do it this afternoon. I this to me just more 231 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: balls of steal from from Davis Stern and saying like 232 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: we could pick this out, like, Okay, we're losing pi Alonzo. 233 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: Shot my moneyball fans out there, we're recreating pi Alonso 234 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: on the aggregate between Jesse Winker, Brett Batty, and if 235 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: you sign like Jerks and Profar, you're probably just got 236 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: four and a half war and thee hundred sixty two 237 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: games those three guys will play combined probably gonna give you, 238 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: and you probably also got twenty eight. We could sneak 239 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the early home runs in there, and we could probably 240 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: sneak a three fifty on base percentage from those three 241 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: guys together. I'll tell you it's gonna be a lot 242 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: easier than replacing Jiohn, because Jimi that year when he 243 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: left for the Yankees three forty two average, four to 244 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: seventy seven on base eleven thirty seven ops with an 245 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: ops plus at one ninety nine pieces. 246 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: Never come close to that. 247 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Like and that again, the thing I'll say, and I 248 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: hate it is turning into like a very anti peak conversation. 249 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: Now I feel like it's not meant to be that way. 250 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: We are not anti petere Alonso STI would love him 251 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: back on the New York Mets, would be very happy 252 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: for a reunion there. But it just with these reports, 253 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: it feels more and more likely, like it says that 254 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: it's not going to happen, which is something that I 255 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: truly didn't consider this entire offseason. No, and again I'm 256 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: again maybe I'm just being dumb, but I still think 257 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm just haven't I haven't come to terms of it yet. 258 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm in the first age denial. I still think he's 259 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: probably a decent chance that he comes back on the 260 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: one year deal eventually, because again I don't know who's 261 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: paying him the money that he that he seeks, and 262 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: he waits until the middle of March, which I may 263 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: and if he's still out there and the one year 264 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: deals still there, and maybe something happens again, I don't 265 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: know how much the Mets are going to box themselves 266 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: in to not accepting pe Longs on the team at 267 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: some point. But also just to bringest conversation by Jesse Winker, 268 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: because I was about to say, yeah, Yeah, Jesse. Jesse 269 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: Winkers is a good baseball player. I think some Mets 270 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: flans have conflated how clutch he was in certain moments 271 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: with how much he struggled towards the end of that 272 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: tailor of the regular season. 273 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: But also he was one of the. 274 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: Four best hitters in this lineup and the average playoff 275 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: game that we played like. He takes a really good 276 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: at bat, his amazing play discipline. Every single year of 277 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: his career besides one, he's been at least ten percent 278 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: better than the league average, and every single year besides three, 279 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: he's been at least eighteen percent better than league average. 280 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,599 Speaker 1: There's a really good baseball player's really good hitre. He 281 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: offers very little in terms of defensive value. He offers 282 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: next to nothing in terms of ENSI value actions. But 283 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: he's someone who on a one year arm hit canneff 284 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: arm on one year, eight million dollar deal as a 285 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: left handed hither with power, with patients, with discipline, with 286 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: some stolen bases I started doing last year like he 287 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: he gives a team a really good dynamic. Now I'm 288 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: very happy he's back for that contract. Yeah, And I 289 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: mean fib is a lot the vibes of Jesse Winker 290 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: are incredible. It was some of the best vibes when 291 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: he did the wave thing against the Reds. I remember, 292 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: like I can't I'm count down the days until he's 293 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: in New York. 294 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: Met. 295 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: I was like, this guy has to be a met 296 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: He just has such a good vibe, big moments, he 297 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: steps up. He had huge moments for the Mets, in 298 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: and out, like a lot of it. Like you said, 299 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: the in between wasn't particularly great, Like he finished genuinely 300 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: not really good in the forty four games in the 301 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: regular season from a rate a rate perspective. But he 302 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: had that huge home run against the Oriols for the 303 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: walk off. He had the huge home run against the 304 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Phillies in the playoffs. He had huge moments against the Brewers. 305 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: He was getting on base like. He is a very 306 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: good baseball player. And at that price, like you mentioned, 307 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: it's a no brainer one your eight million dollars to 308 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe be the platoon DH with Starling Marte this year. 309 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: He faces the Righty's Marty faces left is whatever, It's 310 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: gonna be really happy with it. I am interested to 311 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: see if he does get any sort of rep at 312 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: first base. He's never taken a rep at first base 313 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: in Major League baseball. Neverick, we checked the minor leagues 314 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: real quick. I'm I'll try and pull up right now. 315 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm on finger, I'll check. 316 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: The minor leagues. 317 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: Leagues he has played, Oh, okay, minor league has thirteen games, 318 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: ninety nine innings at first base, did not make an error, 319 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: zero errors. This got the age picking machine. I do 320 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: wonder now, though, if this does open the door once 321 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: again for the potential of a Starling Marte treys as 322 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: anyway can be facilitated because Winker and Marte become a 323 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: little bit extraneous together at a major league roster where 324 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: you don't really want either of them in the outfield 325 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: that much at this point in their careers, and you 326 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: don't and Winkers just a lefty and Martes's riight, so 327 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna play more often, like as the team is 328 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: currently constructed right now, unless Brendon Nemo's playing center field, 329 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: Starling Martes going to on the bench most days. I've 330 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: got an interesting one for you. So, Starling Martes do 331 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: how much money this upcoming year? Because he's a free 332 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: agent act at the end of the season, right it's 333 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: around twenty million dollars eighteen. 334 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: I believe it's I'm. 335 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: Gonna throw something crazy out there, and you tell twenty 336 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: twenty point seventy five million, twenty point seventy five Okay, 337 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: YONDI Dias, we know the Rays could be looking to 338 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: move him. Is do ten million dollars this season and 339 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: is do twelve million dollars on a team option in 340 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, so the Raiser are technically on the 341 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: hook for twenty two million dollars. Is there a world 342 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: where the Rays would trade make some sort of trade 343 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: where they take Marte, we take Yandhi? Absolutely, because they're 344 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: they're clean with the money. This year, they're done. Now 345 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: they have nothing on the books next year. How's that 346 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: does that benefit them in anyway? Because now ten million 347 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: this year, twelve million next year, it's the same money 348 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and they get rid of it quicker. 349 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: They don't. 350 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: But they don't care about money because no one, they 351 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: can't get free agents signed for their team anyway, they 352 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: don't have a stadium. Well, they do care about money, 353 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: because that's why they always trade these guys is they 354 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: don't want to pay them any money. They don't want 355 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: to pay them money. But they're not paying Yandhi and 356 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: exorbitant money. They just want to get rid of players. Well, 357 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: they're going to pay him over two value amount of money. 358 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: If you would have to still trade the prospect a 359 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: good prospect with Marte to get Andy Diaz, there's no 360 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: way to do that. The race said today they actually 361 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: thought that really hurt them. They thought they had a 362 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: good pitch to Saki and thought he would have liked them. 363 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: But their stadium situation they thought did them in. 364 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: Ooh interesting. 365 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: So them having money doesn't help them because you're not 366 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: getting a freegent sign there anyway. I mean, the A's 367 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: are playing in a mind of league park this year. 368 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: They had to pay Luis every twenty twenty two million 369 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: dollars to pitch there. Like it's I don't think it's realistic, 370 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: but I think that also again, I went Toba match 371 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: the money along shot that got Michael Marino's He's the 372 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: official messed up inside there. He brought up something to 373 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: us that I think is interesting about Jerkson Profar being 374 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: a potential first base option. He's played first base as 375 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: major of the career. Jerks and profile has the Andy 376 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: Das profile. 377 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: Yes, well, he just doesn't hit the ball as hard. 378 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but it's like the fact that it's 379 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: great on bas ability, I don't think it's going anywhere. 380 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: It's very few strike ats, but with a lot of walks. 381 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: That's the difference. He's getting y Andy, he's getting more 382 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: singles on those ground balls where jerks. Profile is taking 383 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: any more walks. I think Profile also does have better power. 384 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: He lists the ball a little. 385 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: Bit more and he pulls twenty four homers. 386 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like I actually that was a great idea, 387 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: and it's amazing that we did a whole episode where 388 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: we went through twenty possible first base options. Warren pi Alonzo, 389 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: we didn't get it down to profar. 390 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: I play played first base. 391 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: He played two games last year, but like, truthfully, he 392 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: hasn't really played first base at a consistent rate. Since 393 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: we're going pretty far back here, he hasn't played first 394 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: base consistently almost ever in his career. He had like 395 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: seventeen games. He's played a total of seventy two games 396 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: at first base. In his grip saying he's done the 397 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: smathering there at some point. But if we probably Matthew 398 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: tan there, he probably Profile. I like Profile a lot. 399 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: I think profile offers a really cool wrinkle that could 400 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: be in this mess lineup as another guy will hit 401 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: probably in the bottom half of it. He might want 402 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: top being like a four or five hitter, the way 403 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: he shakes out with great on base ability, Like you 404 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: can stack him and Brendan Nimo as your four and 405 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: five hitters ahead of Winker Alvarez McNeil, and you're like, ooh, 406 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: like that you just kind of have that was like 407 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: that that's the epiniony of my second lead off your 408 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: four hitter. There's my four and five hitters being the 409 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: new one and two hitters, where like you just totally 410 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: reset your lineup and now it's one through five. It's 411 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: really a tough hat bat. I like profile lot. I 412 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: think your profiles is niceeing this lineup. And I also 413 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: think that we had a common we're dming with our 414 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: friend Matt Eddie front of the program that there's a 415 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: world where this ped Alonzo thing does ease ease some tensions. 416 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: For one, you get more opportunities this year to play 417 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: young players. See what you've gotten these guys. And two 418 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: you really open the door for Black Greer junior next year. Yeah, 419 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: it becomes so clean and so easy to give Lai 420 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: to your g junior four and a million dollars and 421 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: now you have probably the best, your second best, one 422 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: two three in the whole all baseball. 423 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very much. 424 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: So it would be very it'd be really competitive with 425 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. 426 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: It's it's interesting. 427 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure we will have a couple more episodes talking 428 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: about all the pede A Longe possibilities because it seems 429 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: like this isn't far from over again. Most likely outcome 430 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: the Mets feel like is that he will not return, 431 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they don't think he has 432 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: a shot too. There's still a chance. There's still a 433 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: chance Jesse Winker is back for the New York Mets. 434 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Good move like it, Happy for it. We don't have 435 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: to hear about it on Twitter anymore. We know all 436 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: eyes were on Jesse Winker and now we know that 437 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: he was also the move that killed Pete Alonzo. 438 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: No, I don't know. 439 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. Guys, Thank you so much 440 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: for listening to watching this episode. Follow us on our 441 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: social media Mets up on Twitter and Instagram. Subscribe to 442 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: the Mets Up podcast YouTube channel. Again, there will be 443 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: a video that was recorded before this that's gonna come 444 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: out after on YouTube, but audio people already heard this. 445 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: We're just waiting for a sponsor to approve the episode, 446 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: so that will come out whenever it can. But Jesse 447 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: Winker's back. Thank you guys for watching. We'll catch you 448 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: on the next episode. Peace out, peace out, So you 449 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: guys next times called Mets.