WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Governor Josh Shapiro On Public Service, Pushing Back On Lobbyists, Kamala Harris + More 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.480 Wake that ass up in the morning. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:07.680 The Breakfast Club morning, everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.160 Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.559 a special guest in the building. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:20.680 That's right, I call him Barack Obama, bar Obama, lail 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:21.599 me God. 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.239 Right in front of them, we have the governor of Pennsylvania, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:25.040 Governor Josh. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.320 Is that sa Quon's old helmet because you know he's 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:29.320 over on the birds. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.159 Now you know what is it's signed by s. Let 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.559 me put it the fact that you recognize you for. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.880 That's crazy the morning. How you feeling, Hey, I'm feeling great. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.080 Thanks for having me back. It's good to be with you, guys. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:40.760 Seeing you again. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.720 You asked me how my family was before the interview. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.320 I want to ask you how your family is now 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.760 because I saw this week that code balmer who was 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.040 accused of an arson attack on your house. He played 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.480 guilty and will send us to twenty five to fifty years. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.520 How does that make you know you in the family field? 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:00.680 Yeah, I mean, look, I'll be honest, it's been hard 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:05.680 dealing with this as a governor, right knowing that you're 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.160 a target, knowing that in this world of politics we're 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.040 in today. You got people who want to do you harm. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.680 And I'm sure we'll talk about political violence. We're seeing 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.560 way too much of that across the country. But the 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.880 hardest part of this whole thing for me has been 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.040 knowing that the job I love, right being governor of Pennsylvania, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.920 serving the good people of Pennsylvania, put my family's lives 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:32.320 at risk. I mean, this guy, Charlman, he came in 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.520 with miletov cocktails, he fire bombed our home. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.040 How did he get so close? 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:37.800 How did he get in? 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.600 But I just want to be clear. He was wielding 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.840 a metal hammer that he said he was going to 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.319 use to try to kill me. And he not only 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:51.080 pled guilty to arson, he played guilty to attempted murder. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:51.800 Damn. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.120 And So I think the thing for me that I'm 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.960 I'm just being really honest, that I'm working through is 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.000 how to keep my family safe doing the job I 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.040 love that by the way, I feel real purpose in 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.799 right serving people, and the notion that people now need 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.720 to choose between their family safety and well being and 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.600 doing public service. That's a hard thing for me to 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.760 work through, just as a dad, you know, beyond being 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.120 a governor but look, I mean to your point or 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:29.160 to your question. So you know, there were tremendous failures 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.880 from a security standpoint. Pennsylvani State Police, who I do 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.200 have confidence in, have changed a whole bunch of procedures. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.880 The home, which really hadn't been this was the governor's residence, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.840 really hadn't had any kind of overhaul from a security 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:47.040 perspective for decades, has gone through that. I do feel 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.480 safe there now. I do feel safe when I'm going around. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.840 I worry about my family obviously all the time. But 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:54.960 it was a failure and they learned from it, and 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.440 I've got confidence that they're going to do better. If 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.320 God forbid, something like that, you know, happens another time. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:01.600 You got to tell me how you have that kind 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:01.839 of count? 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:02.959 Yeah, how do you feel safe? 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.280 Because how do you know? It wasn't an inside job? 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:06.919 How do you know? You know? You don't. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.720 You don't know whocause they got pretty close. It wasn't 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.400 like it was they threw it from the street, like 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:12.040 they got. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.080 He caund doors in your house, which wasn't successful to 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.920 get through those doors, and it was fifteen people in 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:17.320 your house. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.000 Yeah, oh, there were about twenty. We had me and 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.000 my family. There's six of us, Yeah, our two dogs, 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.880 and then we also had my brother, sister and their kids, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.639 so my nieces and nephews. Yeah, it was scary. I mean, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.040 you know, knowing that there's a fire and you've got 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.720 these brave firefighters rushing in to put out the firefight 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.160 and put out the fire. Pardon me as they're ushering 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.600 you out. I mean it's scary. Look, there are some 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.600 things that they have done. They're going to make what 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.800 happened there impossible. Again. They built a wall around the residence. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.840 We really didn't have something like that. There's now a 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.360 dedicated crew of state troopers to patrolling the grounds. We 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.520 didn't have that before. There's all kinds of new technology. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.440 I'm not going to get into it here. That that is, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.839 you know, going to make us safe, and they're taking 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.080 steps at our home as well. Look, I think you 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.600 gotta in this job. You gotta have faith in the 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.880 people around you to keep you safe. Otherwise you become 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.360 paralyzed by fear. And I'm unwilling to be a victim 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.480 the rest of my life. I'm unwilling to be paralyzed 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.440 by fear. And I'm not going to be deterred in 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.200 doing this work. I'm not going to be deterred in 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.400 practicing my faith. I'm not going to be deterred and 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.279 being who I am. I'm not going to be deterredent 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.760 just being able to go outside and catch with my kids. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.920 You can't live in fear, and that is kind of 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.080 how I've I've worked through this, and my family and 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.919 I have worked through this so that we can we 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.080 can go forward and do this job we love and 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.279 try and do it in a safe way. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.120 Well, you don't believe that building a wall is a 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.920 proper way, man. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.480 I've always been for securing our border. If that's where 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:40.880 you're going. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.320 Yeah, I was, as you know. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.359 So what startled him? That was my question. Because he 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.640 was in the house, he had a hammer. What made 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:47.760 him flee? What made him run? 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.200 I don't know if you saw the video, but he 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.080 used this metal hammer to to break a window to 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.760 throw them all tough cocktail, which ignited the explosion. Then 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.120 he went to another window, used the metal hammer to 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.080 break a window so he could climb in. What's really scary, 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.400 which I don't think folks understood when they looked at 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.880 the video, is he then tried to kick down a 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.000 set of doors that literally lead to our private living quarters. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.480 That's where we all were, So he was a door 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.320 away while that was going on. You know, we've later 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:22.440 learned this. The state police opted not to go after him, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.279 but to get us out and get us to safety, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.440 which was the right thing to do, and so we 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.480 were able to be safe and secure while you know, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:31.679 he was able to get away. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.720 And I saw you say that you had an enormous 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.960 guilt about that based off what you just said, you 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.640 know earlier about being a public servant, being in governor, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.080 but it's still being a father. Is it worth it? 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:48.200 I think it is, Charlemagne, And I mean that's a 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.599 tough question. You're asking me, right, Is it worth putting 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.440 your kids' lives at risk? Right? I mean that's a 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:57.160 hard thing to ask to answer. I think what I 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.640 love public service, and I'm not trying to sound but like, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.680 I really feel like I get to make a difference 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.080 every day, and I'm sure we'll talk about some issues. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.440 I think we are making a difference, and so I 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.599 want to help other people, and obviously the most important 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.600 thing is keeping my family safe. I think if you 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.840 can have confidence in the people who are keeping you safe. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.920 You can't walk away now with everything that's on the line, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.560 with all the challenges we face as a country, with 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.719 my responsibility to frankly push back on what we're seeing 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.000 in Washington, protect our freedoms in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.680 And now it's not the time to walk away. So 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.839 I think we're in a good place from a safety perspective. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.440 I am mentally strong and prepared to continue on with 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.560 this work knowing that my family is being cared for 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.160 and protected, and this is not a time to quit. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.800 So yeah, it's worth it. It's worth it to put 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.040 yourself out there and try and do good for others. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.880 How well you say that the conversations with your kids 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.280 have been hard, right because of all of this? Have 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.560 your kids asked you to not do this job anymore? 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:58.400 After everything? 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.240 I want to be respectful to my kids privacy. But 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.200 you know, I'll tell you what it was like in 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.240 the days after and kind of where we are today. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.600 We're blessed with four kids twenty three twenty sixteen fourteen. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.160 What was really interesting to Laurie and I and twenty 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.560 three is a daughter and then the rest of boys 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.520 They each asked different kinds of questions, and they asked 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.200 them in a different way, and you know, sometimes they 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.400 were concerned about my well being. Sometimes they were understandably 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.080 concerned about their own well being. My fourteen year old 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.600 asked a lot of questions that were super factual. How 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:36.560 did he get here, how. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:37.000 Did he do that? 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.880 What was he doing? What does the video look like? 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.920 You know, stuff like that. And I remember early on 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.880 in this I just answered everything I knew. I told 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.360 him everything I knew with as much granularity as I had. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.800 I remember my wife said to me, are we doing this? 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.400 Like is this what we're supposed to do? Or are 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.320 we supposed to like tell our kids this? And I 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.280 was like, I think so. I mean, there's no playbook 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.520 for this. And so we were just brutally honest with 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.280 our kids about both the facts of what happened and 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.400 then the emotional questions that they asked. And I think 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.000 that helped them get through it too. My kids haven't 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:15.120 asked me to quit. My kids haven't asked me the 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.920 real question you asked me before. I think they want 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.720 me to keep doing this work. I mean, I think, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.040 like any job that a parent has, it pulls you 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:25.920 away from a game, or it pulls you away from 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.200 something they want like that annoys kids, rightfully so, but overall, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:36.240 the idea that I would quit this job because I'm afraid, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.200 I think that would set the wrong example for my kids. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.720 I want my kids to grow up strong and confident. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.320 I want my kids to grow up in a world 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.560 where they feel like they could do whatever they want 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.400 to do and they can make a difference in the world. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.280 And I can be deterred by bullies, They're not going 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.480 to be deterred by people who want to come after them. Instead, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.080 they're going to stand up to that. I want to 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:56.040 show that example. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.400 That would be a tough conversation if your wife and 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.000 kids came to you and was like, we love you, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.080 but we want you to step down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.600 Look, you know, when we talk about politics, every decision 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.120 I made ever run for an office or or decided 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.679 not to run for an office or do something, it's 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.079 always been kind of like, you know, one percent political 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.200 and ninety nine percent personal and family. Because when you 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.440 do these jobs, you've got to be all in. I mean, 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.120 you gotta be willing to, you know, miss the games 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.920 and the routine stuff which which you guys all, I'm 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.120 sure go through every para cose through that, but you 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.280 also have to be you got to have your family 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.400 all in to deal with the public pressures that come 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.520 along with this. And my kids have been amazing. My 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.480 wife has been unbelievable. I mean, we've we've been together 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.440 since the ninth grade. She's not that we knew this 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.960 was gonna be our lives back then, but she's just 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.600 been with me through everything, and she's like the most 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.320 amazing support system and just you know, my best friend 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:53.840 in the whole world. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.439 I would go tell them it's gonna be way less 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.959 security if I'm not governing no more. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.760 So I wanted to talk about some of the things 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.960 that's going on in Washington and how it's affecting you 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.400 as a governor. You see so many people can't pay 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.840 their rent, can't pay for food, can't pay. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.400 A lot of it, right, and then the tariffs are 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:12.960 adding to it. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.959 Right. The other day we were talking about the average 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.960 price of car, A car, just a vehicle, something to drive. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:20.920 They said, I think like six years ago it was 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.880 like thirty something thousand, Now it's fifty two thousand dollars. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.240 So people can't afford things anymore. It's getting very difficult 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:28.920 out there. They can't afford rent, they can't afford to 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.240 go to school, they're taking extra jobs. So what are 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.760 you telling, especially the governor of Pennsylvania, what are you 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.280 telling people in Pennsylvania about that? 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:36.480 Or how are you helping? 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:41.040 Yeah? If any so, we're just having a conversation about this. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.400 I was in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, on a farm yesterday, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.920 by the way, announcing that Pennsylvania has now protected more 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.199 farmland than any other state in the entire country. I'm 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.240 sure not super interesting to the breakfast club listeners, but 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.800 a really important thing Forensylvania. Why do I bring that up? 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.280 Because I was asked, Hey, what what's going on? Like, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.320 what's on the minds of farmers and people you meet 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.160 here in rural Pennsylvania, And in many ways it's the 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.760 same thing that's on the mind of people in urban Pennsylvania, 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:14.080 in Philly or Pittsburgh or something like that. Affordability for farmers. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.120 Affordability is a problem because of the present's tariffs. I mean, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.480 that is the dumbest policy. It has caused prices to rise. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.400 It is shut down markets for farmers. It is shut 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.520 down markets for Pennsylvania manufacturers, and you go to the 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.600 grocery store, things cost more. You order something on Amazon. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.920 Now they got rid of that so called deminimus rule. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.600 Everything you're buying costs more, and everything costs more because 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.480 Donald Trump pushed a button and started a tariff for 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:47.559 a trade war with our allies with Canada, with countries 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.599 that we do business with to the benefit of Americans. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.480 I'm not saying that some targeted tariff you're there protect 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.880 the steel industry or something like that, isn't helpful. But 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.920 these blanket tariffs that he pulls out of his ass 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.640 and doesn't really have a number that makes a whole 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.400 lot of sense, is having a singular effect in my 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.960 state and across the country. That is to make everything 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.000 cost more, whether you're running a business, whether you're operating 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.720 a farm, or whether you're just trying to buy your groceries. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.880 What am I doing about in Pennsylvania in the face 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.720 of the federal government working against us. I've cut taxes 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.080 six times in our comma. I've cut taxes for seniors, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.119 cut taxes for small businesses multiple times. I've cut taxes 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.280 for families who are trying to afford childcare. We tripled 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.199 what we call our childcare tax credit. In addition to that, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.960 we're investing more in housing to try and bring down 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.720 the cost of housing. We've developed more affordable housing great Eagles, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.880 Shady McCoy and I actually just work together in a 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.760 big housing project in the Harrisburg area which is now 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.680 built and open. So we have a lot more work to 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.280 do on that front, but that's certainly important. We are 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.520 doing everything we can to reduce costs for people, to 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.880 try and bring down the cost of things. And Donald 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.920 Trump is just working against us every single day, and 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.360 these tariffs are exhibit A. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.760 Who's faulted the government shut down. It doesn't matter because 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.640 right now the polls are saying that most Americans are 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:14.760 starting to blame Democrats. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.200 Yeah, but look, I don't know about the polls, and 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.520 I'm not a political pundit. Here's what I know. I 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.439 have to deal with the real effects of it every 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.560 day as a governor of Pennsylvania, by the way, as 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.200 do other governors. Right. So, I've got a workforce of 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.720 about eighty thousand people who work for me in the state. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.640 Roughly ten thousand of them work for the state. But 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.480 they're funded by the Feds to support our veterans, provide 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.480 health care you know, you name it. They're not getting 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.280 paid right now, right and if I pay them in 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.800 lieu of the federal government paying them, that's a budget 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.280 hit to me. I got veterans. We're one of the 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.559 top states for number of veterans, about eight hundred thousand 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.000 veterans in our state who aren't going to the benefits 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.320 that they need. I got kids with unique you know, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.679 health challenges, who aren't atting the services they need because 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.560 the federal government is shut down. Look, the Republicans control 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.000 everything in DC. They control the Senate, the control the House, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.560 they control the Presidency. Because of the unique rules that 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.840 they have. They need whatever it is, seven or eight 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.800 Democratic votes in the US Senate, Why the hell should 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.720 the Democrats give up their vote for nothing? They've said, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.120 we want one thing. We want to make sure healthcare 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.640 is more affordable. We want these so called Obamacare subsidies extended, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.160 because when they go away at the end of this year. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.120 You want to talk about costs, envy, Your healthcare costs 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.040 are going to spike because of it. And so Democrats, rightfully, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:37.920 you said in the Senate, you want our seven votes, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.400 you got to give us what we need on healthcare, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.640 which by the way, makes a lot of sense. You 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.920 got to use the leverage when you have it. So 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.800 I'm kind of less focused on who's to blame and 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.320 more focused on two things. One managing our state through 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:56.080 this and number two, hopefully seeing the Democrats be successful 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.320 in the US Senate in driving home a conclusion that's 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.840 going to result in better health care for Americas. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.640 From a strategy perspective, do you think it would have 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.480 been smarter to say, you know what, let the Republicans 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.400 have their way, let them drive a healthcare So that's 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.520 the one issue we can point to and say this 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.720 is Republican's fault, as opposed to now the water is 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.880 being so muddy because the government is shut down and 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.880 so many other people aren't getting paid. So now they're 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.760 starting to blame Democrats. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.040 I'm less focused in my day to day life of 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.880 letting something bad happen so I can point a finger 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.920 at somebody else then actually solving the damn problem and 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.040 then go take credit for it. I mean, you know, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.000 obviously you're in the business of getting stuff done, and 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.120 then you got to go tell the voters what you did. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.880 I hope that Chuck Schruman the Democrats are successful here 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.160 and then, rather than try and prove that the bad 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.920 thing that happened was the Republican's fault, go and take 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.840 credit for doing something good for the American people and 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.520 helping them, you know, get their health care. I will 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.880 tell you this fight is playing out at a really 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:58.880 critical time when it comes to healthcare. If I can 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.600 get maybe just a little though, you can extrapolate this 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.160 out to every other state. My state, thirteen million people, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.240 you know, big state. As a result of Trump and 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:13.080 the Republicans passing what they call the Beautiful Bill, which 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.400 you know, silly name, but just follow me on this, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.280 five hundred and ten thousand Pennsylvanians are about to lose 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.920 healthcare coverage. You're about to lose Medicaid, and one hundred 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.440 and forty thousand more Pennsylvanians are losing food assistants. That's 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.960 that actually started back in September, right, so. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.320 We snap and wick and exact sta. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.960 Yeah, so we got this moment right now where I've 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.920 got you know, six hundred plus thousand Pennsylvanians who are 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.320 either losing healthcare or food assistance. And then at the 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.960 end of this year, I got over a million who 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.360 rely on these subsidies to afford Obamacare. And by the way, 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.360 these are people working, they're doing what we want them 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.400 to do, and we're giving them a little bit extra 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.000 help so they can afford a healthcare for them and 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.800 their families that goes away. So we're facing a dire 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.960 situation of Donald Trump's making where I've got about a 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.480 million and a half people who in some former fashion 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.600 and lose healthcare, be kicked off of it, or lose 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.640 food assystem. There's a real problem. And by the way, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.919 the states can't make that up, like we can't backfill that. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.320 I can't speak for every governor, but I don't think 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.840 any state's budget can backfill the billions of dollars in 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.680 healthcare and food assistants that they're cutting. So the fact remains, 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.360 if these senators want to go fight to protect healthcare, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.800 I'm all in for that. They should use their leverage 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:32.679 to be able to do that. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.879 Is that why in Pennsylvania right now there's such a 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.960 back and forth about you guys, budget and trying to 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.920 figure out what can be improved and what can't because 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.080 of a trickle down for a big Yeah. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.960 Look, the Feds make this way harder, right, And you 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.280 know I got I'm a governor with a divided legislature. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:46.680 I'm one of the only ones in the country. I've 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.440 got a State House led by Democrats by the way, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.040 by one seat, the State Senate led by Republicans literally 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.880 by two seats. So out of two hundred and fifty 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.879 three lawmakers, three seats separate the whole thing. I've managed 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.680 to bring them all together to big things, cutting taxes, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.439 investing in education, by the way, investing in public safety. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.720 I made a commitment to hire two thousand cops and 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.119 put a few hundred million dollars into violence prevention. It's working. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.960 Crime is down forty two percent in Pennsylvania. So we've 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.440 shown an ability to come together and get stuff done, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.360 and certainly we're going to do that here. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.520 The thing I like about you, Governor Shapiro, is that 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.800 you aren't busy pointing fingers. You're always doing the work. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.200 And it's interesting because you're one of the people whose 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.840 names comes up to run for president all the time, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.919 but you don't seem to be actively campaigning for that 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.919 like some of the other governors do. So how do 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.760 you stay Pennsylvania? 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.159 First, that's my job, man. I took an oath of 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.480 office to thirteen million people to work my ass off 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.320 for them every single day, and I'm busy every day 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.080 doing that. And look, I think the most important thing 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.320 when people trust you to do these jobs is do 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.040 the job, show your work. And I've always believed that 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.120 the best politics is really good policy, and good policy 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.280