Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club morning, everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious.
Speaker 2: Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
Speaker 2: a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3: That's right, I call him Barack Obama, bar Obama, lail
Speaker 3: me God.
Speaker 2: Right in front of them, we have the governor of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: Governor Josh.
Speaker 1: Is that sa Quon's old helmet because you know he's
Speaker 1: over on the birds.
Speaker 3: Now you know what is it's signed by s. Let
Speaker 3: me put it the fact that you recognize you for.
Speaker 1: That's crazy the morning. How you feeling, Hey, I'm feeling great.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back. It's good to be with you, guys.
Speaker 4: Seeing you again.
Speaker 3: You asked me how my family was before the interview.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you how your family is now
Speaker 3: because I saw this week that code balmer who was
Speaker 3: accused of an arson attack on your house. He played
Speaker 3: guilty and will send us to twenty five to fifty years.
Speaker 3: How does that make you know you in the family field?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I'll be honest, it's been hard
Speaker 1: dealing with this as a governor, right knowing that you're
Speaker 1: a target, knowing that in this world of politics we're
Speaker 1: in today. You got people who want to do you harm.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure we'll talk about political violence. We're seeing
Speaker 1: way too much of that across the country. But the
Speaker 1: hardest part of this whole thing for me has been
Speaker 1: knowing that the job I love, right being governor of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: serving the good people of Pennsylvania, put my family's lives
Speaker 1: at risk. I mean, this guy, Charlman, he came in
Speaker 1: with miletov cocktails, he fire bombed our home.
Speaker 3: How did he get so close?
Speaker 4: How did he get in?
Speaker 1: But I just want to be clear. He was wielding
Speaker 1: a metal hammer that he said he was going to
Speaker 1: use to try to kill me. And he not only
Speaker 1: pled guilty to arson, he played guilty to attempted murder.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: And So I think the thing for me that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just being really honest, that I'm working through is
Speaker 1: how to keep my family safe doing the job I
Speaker 1: love that by the way, I feel real purpose in
Speaker 1: right serving people, and the notion that people now need
Speaker 1: to choose between their family safety and well being and
Speaker 1: doing public service. That's a hard thing for me to
Speaker 1: work through, just as a dad, you know, beyond being
Speaker 1: a governor but look, I mean to your point or
Speaker 1: to your question. So you know, there were tremendous failures
Speaker 1: from a security standpoint. Pennsylvani State Police, who I do
Speaker 1: have confidence in, have changed a whole bunch of procedures.
Speaker 1: The home, which really hadn't been this was the governor's residence,
Speaker 1: really hadn't had any kind of overhaul from a security
Speaker 1: perspective for decades, has gone through that. I do feel
Speaker 1: safe there now. I do feel safe when I'm going around.
Speaker 1: I worry about my family obviously all the time. But
Speaker 1: it was a failure and they learned from it, and
Speaker 1: I've got confidence that they're going to do better. If
Speaker 1: God forbid, something like that, you know, happens another time.
Speaker 3: You got to tell me how you have that kind
Speaker 3: of count?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel safe?
Speaker 3: Because how do you know? It wasn't an inside job?
Speaker 3: How do you know? You know? You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't know whocause they got pretty close. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like it was they threw it from the street, like
Speaker 2: they got.
Speaker 5: He caund doors in your house, which wasn't successful to
Speaker 5: get through those doors, and it was fifteen people in
Speaker 5: your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, there were about twenty. We had me and
Speaker 1: my family. There's six of us, Yeah, our two dogs,
Speaker 1: and then we also had my brother, sister and their kids,
Speaker 1: so my nieces and nephews. Yeah, it was scary. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that there's a fire and you've got
Speaker 1: these brave firefighters rushing in to put out the firefight
Speaker 1: and put out the fire. Pardon me as they're ushering
Speaker 1: you out. I mean it's scary. Look, there are some
Speaker 1: things that they have done. They're going to make what
Speaker 1: happened there impossible. Again. They built a wall around the residence.
Speaker 1: We really didn't have something like that. There's now a
Speaker 1: dedicated crew of state troopers to patrolling the grounds. We
Speaker 1: didn't have that before. There's all kinds of new technology.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into it here. That that is,
Speaker 1: you know, going to make us safe, and they're taking
Speaker 1: steps at our home as well. Look, I think you
Speaker 1: gotta in this job. You gotta have faith in the
Speaker 1: people around you to keep you safe. Otherwise you become
Speaker 1: paralyzed by fear. And I'm unwilling to be a victim
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I'm unwilling to be paralyzed
Speaker 1: by fear. And I'm not going to be deterred in
Speaker 1: doing this work. I'm not going to be deterred in
Speaker 1: practicing my faith. I'm not going to be deterred and
Speaker 1: being who I am. I'm not going to be deterredent
Speaker 1: just being able to go outside and catch with my kids.
Speaker 1: You can't live in fear, and that is kind of
Speaker 1: how I've I've worked through this, and my family and
Speaker 1: I have worked through this so that we can we
Speaker 1: can go forward and do this job we love and
Speaker 1: try and do it in a safe way.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't believe that building a wall is a
Speaker 3: proper way, man.
Speaker 1: I've always been for securing our border. If that's where
Speaker 1: you're going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, as you know.
Speaker 4: So what startled him? That was my question. Because he
Speaker 4: was in the house, he had a hammer. What made
Speaker 4: him flee? What made him run?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video, but he
Speaker 1: used this metal hammer to to break a window to
Speaker 1: throw them all tough cocktail, which ignited the explosion. Then
Speaker 1: he went to another window, used the metal hammer to
Speaker 1: break a window so he could climb in. What's really scary,
Speaker 1: which I don't think folks understood when they looked at
Speaker 1: the video, is he then tried to kick down a
Speaker 1: set of doors that literally lead to our private living quarters.
Speaker 1: That's where we all were, So he was a door
Speaker 1: away while that was going on. You know, we've later
Speaker 1: learned this. The state police opted not to go after him,
Speaker 1: but to get us out and get us to safety,
Speaker 1: which was the right thing to do, and so we
Speaker 1: were able to be safe and secure while you know,
Speaker 1: he was able to get away.
Speaker 3: And I saw you say that you had an enormous
Speaker 3: guilt about that based off what you just said, you
Speaker 3: know earlier about being a public servant, being in governor,
Speaker 3: but it's still being a father. Is it worth it?
Speaker 1: I think it is, Charlemagne, And I mean that's a
Speaker 1: tough question. You're asking me, right, Is it worth putting
Speaker 1: your kids' lives at risk? Right? I mean that's a
Speaker 1: hard thing to ask to answer. I think what I
Speaker 1: love public service, and I'm not trying to sound but like,
Speaker 1: I really feel like I get to make a difference
Speaker 1: every day, and I'm sure we'll talk about some issues.
Speaker 1: I think we are making a difference, and so I
Speaker 1: want to help other people, and obviously the most important
Speaker 1: thing is keeping my family safe. I think if you
Speaker 1: can have confidence in the people who are keeping you safe.
Speaker 1: You can't walk away now with everything that's on the line,
Speaker 1: with all the challenges we face as a country, with
Speaker 1: my responsibility to frankly push back on what we're seeing
Speaker 1: in Washington, protect our freedoms in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: And now it's not the time to walk away. So
Speaker 1: I think we're in a good place from a safety perspective.
Speaker 1: I am mentally strong and prepared to continue on with
Speaker 1: this work knowing that my family is being cared for
Speaker 1: and protected, and this is not a time to quit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's worth it. It's worth it to put
Speaker 1: yourself out there and try and do good for others.
Speaker 5: How well you say that the conversations with your kids
Speaker 5: have been hard, right because of all of this? Have
Speaker 5: your kids asked you to not do this job anymore?
Speaker 5: After everything?
Speaker 1: I want to be respectful to my kids privacy. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you what it was like in
Speaker 1: the days after and kind of where we are today.
Speaker 1: We're blessed with four kids twenty three twenty sixteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: What was really interesting to Laurie and I and twenty
Speaker 1: three is a daughter and then the rest of boys
Speaker 1: They each asked different kinds of questions, and they asked
Speaker 1: them in a different way, and you know, sometimes they
Speaker 1: were concerned about my well being. Sometimes they were understandably
Speaker 1: concerned about their own well being. My fourteen year old
Speaker 1: asked a lot of questions that were super factual. How
Speaker 1: did he get here, how.
Speaker 3: Did he do that?
Speaker 1: What was he doing? What does the video look like?
Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that. And I remember early on
Speaker 1: in this I just answered everything I knew. I told
Speaker 1: him everything I knew with as much granularity as I had.
Speaker 1: I remember my wife said to me, are we doing this?
Speaker 1: Like is this what we're supposed to do? Or are
Speaker 1: we supposed to like tell our kids this? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I think so. I mean, there's no playbook
Speaker 1: for this. And so we were just brutally honest with
Speaker 1: our kids about both the facts of what happened and
Speaker 1: then the emotional questions that they asked. And I think
Speaker 1: that helped them get through it too. My kids haven't
Speaker 1: asked me to quit. My kids haven't asked me the
Speaker 1: real question you asked me before. I think they want
Speaker 1: me to keep doing this work. I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: like any job that a parent has, it pulls you
Speaker 1: away from a game, or it pulls you away from
Speaker 1: something they want like that annoys kids, rightfully so, but overall,
Speaker 1: the idea that I would quit this job because I'm afraid,
Speaker 1: I think that would set the wrong example for my kids.
Speaker 1: I want my kids to grow up strong and confident.
Speaker 1: I want my kids to grow up in a world
Speaker 1: where they feel like they could do whatever they want
Speaker 1: to do and they can make a difference in the world.
Speaker 1: And I can be deterred by bullies, They're not going
Speaker 1: to be deterred by people who want to come after them. Instead,
Speaker 1: they're going to stand up to that. I want to
Speaker 1: show that example.
Speaker 3: That would be a tough conversation if your wife and
Speaker 3: kids came to you and was like, we love you,
Speaker 3: but we want you to step down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, you know, when we talk about politics, every decision
Speaker 1: I made ever run for an office or or decided
Speaker 1: not to run for an office or do something, it's
Speaker 1: always been kind of like, you know, one percent political
Speaker 1: and ninety nine percent personal and family. Because when you
Speaker 1: do these jobs, you've got to be all in. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta be willing to, you know, miss the games
Speaker 1: and the routine stuff which which you guys all, I'm
Speaker 1: sure go through every para cose through that, but you
Speaker 1: also have to be you got to have your family
Speaker 1: all in to deal with the public pressures that come
Speaker 1: along with this. And my kids have been amazing. My
Speaker 1: wife has been unbelievable. I mean, we've we've been together
Speaker 1: since the ninth grade. She's not that we knew this
Speaker 1: was gonna be our lives back then, but she's just
Speaker 1: been with me through everything, and she's like the most
Speaker 1: amazing support system and just you know, my best friend
Speaker 1: in the whole world.
Speaker 3: I would go tell them it's gonna be way less
Speaker 3: security if I'm not governing no more.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk about some of the things
Speaker 2: that's going on in Washington and how it's affecting you
Speaker 2: as a governor. You see so many people can't pay
Speaker 2: their rent, can't pay for food, can't pay.
Speaker 4: A lot of it, right, and then the tariffs are
Speaker 4: adding to it.
Speaker 2: Right. The other day we were talking about the average
Speaker 2: price of car, A car, just a vehicle, something to drive.
Speaker 2: They said, I think like six years ago it was
Speaker 2: like thirty something thousand, Now it's fifty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: So people can't afford things anymore. It's getting very difficult
Speaker 2: out there. They can't afford rent, they can't afford to
Speaker 2: go to school, they're taking extra jobs. So what are
Speaker 2: you telling, especially the governor of Pennsylvania, what are you
Speaker 2: telling people in Pennsylvania about that?
Speaker 4: Or how are you helping?
Speaker 1: Yeah? If any so, we're just having a conversation about this.
Speaker 1: I was in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania, on a farm yesterday,
Speaker 1: by the way, announcing that Pennsylvania has now protected more
Speaker 1: farmland than any other state in the entire country. I'm
Speaker 1: sure not super interesting to the breakfast club listeners, but
Speaker 1: a really important thing Forensylvania. Why do I bring that up?
Speaker 1: Because I was asked, Hey, what what's going on? Like,
Speaker 1: what's on the minds of farmers and people you meet
Speaker 1: here in rural Pennsylvania, And in many ways it's the
Speaker 1: same thing that's on the mind of people in urban Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: in Philly or Pittsburgh or something like that. Affordability for farmers.
Speaker 1: Affordability is a problem because of the present's tariffs. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is the dumbest policy. It has caused prices to rise.
Speaker 1: It is shut down markets for farmers. It is shut
Speaker 1: down markets for Pennsylvania manufacturers, and you go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store, things cost more. You order something on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Now they got rid of that so called deminimus rule.
Speaker 1: Everything you're buying costs more, and everything costs more because
Speaker 1: Donald Trump pushed a button and started a tariff for
Speaker 1: a trade war with our allies with Canada, with countries
Speaker 1: that we do business with to the benefit of Americans.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that some targeted tariff you're there protect
Speaker 1: the steel industry or something like that, isn't helpful. But
Speaker 1: these blanket tariffs that he pulls out of his ass
Speaker 1: and doesn't really have a number that makes a whole
Speaker 1: lot of sense, is having a singular effect in my
Speaker 1: state and across the country. That is to make everything
Speaker 1: cost more, whether you're running a business, whether you're operating
Speaker 1: a farm, or whether you're just trying to buy your groceries.
Speaker 1: What am I doing about in Pennsylvania in the face
Speaker 1: of the federal government working against us. I've cut taxes
Speaker 1: six times in our comma. I've cut taxes for seniors,
Speaker 1: cut taxes for small businesses multiple times. I've cut taxes
Speaker 1: for families who are trying to afford childcare. We tripled
Speaker 1: what we call our childcare tax credit. In addition to that,
Speaker 1: we're investing more in housing to try and bring down
Speaker 1: the cost of housing. We've developed more affordable housing great Eagles,
Speaker 1: Shady McCoy and I actually just work together in a
Speaker 1: big housing project in the Harrisburg area which is now
Speaker 1: built and open. So we have a lot more work to
Speaker 1: do on that front, but that's certainly important. We are
Speaker 1: doing everything we can to reduce costs for people, to
Speaker 1: try and bring down the cost of things. And Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is just working against us every single day, and
Speaker 1: these tariffs are exhibit A.
Speaker 3: Who's faulted the government shut down. It doesn't matter because
Speaker 3: right now the polls are saying that most Americans are
Speaker 3: starting to blame Democrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, I don't know about the polls, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a political pundit. Here's what I know. I
Speaker 1: have to deal with the real effects of it every
Speaker 1: day as a governor of Pennsylvania, by the way, as
Speaker 1: do other governors. Right. So, I've got a workforce of
Speaker 1: about eighty thousand people who work for me in the state.
Speaker 1: Roughly ten thousand of them work for the state. But
Speaker 1: they're funded by the Feds to support our veterans, provide
Speaker 1: health care you know, you name it. They're not getting
Speaker 1: paid right now, right and if I pay them in
Speaker 1: lieu of the federal government paying them, that's a budget
Speaker 1: hit to me. I got veterans. We're one of the
Speaker 1: top states for number of veterans, about eight hundred thousand
Speaker 1: veterans in our state who aren't going to the benefits
Speaker 1: that they need. I got kids with unique you know,
Speaker 1: health challenges, who aren't atting the services they need because
Speaker 1: the federal government is shut down. Look, the Republicans control
Speaker 1: everything in DC. They control the Senate, the control the House,
Speaker 1: they control the Presidency. Because of the unique rules that
Speaker 1: they have. They need whatever it is, seven or eight
Speaker 1: Democratic votes in the US Senate, Why the hell should
Speaker 1: the Democrats give up their vote for nothing? They've said,
Speaker 1: we want one thing. We want to make sure healthcare
Speaker 1: is more affordable. We want these so called Obamacare subsidies extended,
Speaker 1: because when they go away at the end of this year.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about costs, envy, Your healthcare costs
Speaker 1: are going to spike because of it. And so Democrats, rightfully,
Speaker 1: you said in the Senate, you want our seven votes,
Speaker 1: you got to give us what we need on healthcare,
Speaker 1: which by the way, makes a lot of sense. You
Speaker 1: got to use the leverage when you have it. So
Speaker 1: I'm kind of less focused on who's to blame and
Speaker 1: more focused on two things. One managing our state through
Speaker 1: this and number two, hopefully seeing the Democrats be successful
Speaker 1: in the US Senate in driving home a conclusion that's
Speaker 1: going to result in better health care for Americas.
Speaker 3: From a strategy perspective, do you think it would have
Speaker 3: been smarter to say, you know what, let the Republicans
Speaker 3: have their way, let them drive a healthcare So that's
Speaker 3: the one issue we can point to and say this
Speaker 3: is Republican's fault, as opposed to now the water is
Speaker 3: being so muddy because the government is shut down and
Speaker 3: so many other people aren't getting paid. So now they're
Speaker 3: starting to blame Democrats.
Speaker 1: I'm less focused in my day to day life of
Speaker 1: letting something bad happen so I can point a finger
Speaker 1: at somebody else then actually solving the damn problem and
Speaker 1: then go take credit for it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you're in the business of getting stuff done, and
Speaker 1: then you got to go tell the voters what you did.
Speaker 1: I hope that Chuck Schruman the Democrats are successful here
Speaker 1: and then, rather than try and prove that the bad
Speaker 1: thing that happened was the Republican's fault, go and take
Speaker 1: credit for doing something good for the American people and
Speaker 1: helping them, you know, get their health care. I will
Speaker 1: tell you this fight is playing out at a really
Speaker 1: critical time when it comes to healthcare. If I can
Speaker 1: get maybe just a little though, you can extrapolate this
Speaker 1: out to every other state. My state, thirteen million people,
Speaker 1: you know, big state. As a result of Trump and
Speaker 1: the Republicans passing what they call the Beautiful Bill, which
Speaker 1: you know, silly name, but just follow me on this,
Speaker 1: five hundred and ten thousand Pennsylvanians are about to lose
Speaker 1: healthcare coverage. You're about to lose Medicaid, and one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty thousand more Pennsylvanians are losing food assistants. That's
Speaker 1: that actually started back in September, right, so.
Speaker 3: We snap and wick and exact sta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got this moment right now where I've
Speaker 1: got you know, six hundred plus thousand Pennsylvanians who are
Speaker 1: either losing healthcare or food assistance. And then at the
Speaker 1: end of this year, I got over a million who
Speaker 1: rely on these subsidies to afford Obamacare. And by the way,
Speaker 1: these are people working, they're doing what we want them
Speaker 1: to do, and we're giving them a little bit extra
Speaker 1: help so they can afford a healthcare for them and
Speaker 1: their families that goes away. So we're facing a dire
Speaker 1: situation of Donald Trump's making where I've got about a
Speaker 1: million and a half people who in some former fashion
Speaker 1: and lose healthcare, be kicked off of it, or lose
Speaker 1: food assystem. There's a real problem. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the states can't make that up, like we can't backfill that.
Speaker 1: I can't speak for every governor, but I don't think
Speaker 1: any state's budget can backfill the billions of dollars in
Speaker 1: healthcare and food assistants that they're cutting. So the fact remains,
Speaker 1: if these senators want to go fight to protect healthcare,
Speaker 1: I'm all in for that. They should use their leverage
Speaker 1: to be able to do that.
Speaker 5: Is that why in Pennsylvania right now there's such a
Speaker 5: back and forth about you guys, budget and trying to
Speaker 5: figure out what can be improved and what can't because
Speaker 5: of a trickle down for a big Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, the Feds make this way harder, right, And you
Speaker 1: know I got I'm a governor with a divided legislature.
Speaker 1: I'm one of the only ones in the country. I've
Speaker 1: got a State House led by Democrats by the way,
Speaker 1: by one seat, the State Senate led by Republicans literally
Speaker 1: by two seats. So out of two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: three lawmakers, three seats separate the whole thing. I've managed
Speaker 1: to bring them all together to big things, cutting taxes,
Speaker 1: investing in education, by the way, investing in public safety.
Speaker 1: I made a commitment to hire two thousand cops and
Speaker 1: put a few hundred million dollars into violence prevention. It's working.
Speaker 1: Crime is down forty two percent in Pennsylvania. So we've
Speaker 1: shown an ability to come together and get stuff done,
Speaker 1: and certainly we're going to do that here.
Speaker 3: The thing I like about you, Governor Shapiro, is that
Speaker 3: you aren't busy pointing fingers. You're always doing the work.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because you're one of the people whose
Speaker 3: names comes up to run for president all the time,
Speaker 3: but you don't seem to be actively campaigning for that
Speaker 3: like some of the other governors do. So how do
Speaker 3: you stay Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: First, that's my job, man. I took an oath of
Speaker 1: office to thirteen million people to work my ass off
Speaker 1: for them every single day, and I'm busy every day
Speaker 1: doing that. And look, I think the most important thing
Speaker 1: when people trust you to do these jobs is do
Speaker 1: the job, show your work. And I've always believed that
Speaker 1: the best politics is really good policy, and good policy
Speaker 1: means lives get get better. So that's the way I do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to in any way have that answer
Speaker 1: be viewed as, you know, a dis of any other governor.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I've got a great relationship with my fellow governors. We've
Speaker 1: got some amazing governors doing great work across the country,
Speaker 1: and I really applaud them.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask about, you know what, the government
Speaker 2: shut down? How bad is that affecting the regular person
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, Because it's it's what this is the third
Speaker 2: week now going on the fourth, inga sixteen days of
Speaker 2: sixteen days, and it's and it's getting to the point
Speaker 2: where it seems like a lot of.
Speaker 4: People are going to be fired, a lot of people
Speaker 4: are not going to get paid.
Speaker 3: They working without pay.
Speaker 2: They're working with people to get So how difficult is
Speaker 2: that for you? For your people in Pennsylvania? And what
Speaker 2: do you tell them? Right, It's like, how do you
Speaker 2: tell somebody to keep working and don't get paid? You know,
Speaker 2: how do you tell somebody to work but then they
Speaker 2: can't pay their mortgage or they can't pay for this?
Speaker 4: Like, so what do you say?
Speaker 1: You know, largest employer in Pennsylvania is the federal government.
Speaker 1: Second largest is the state government. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: proud to be colleagues with eighty thousand people that work
Speaker 1: for our state government. I work with them every single
Speaker 1: damn proud of them, Proud of the work that they do,
Speaker 1: from the folks who clean our buildings to the people
Speaker 1: that go out and you know, test for public health
Speaker 1: issues out in our rural communities. I value the work
Speaker 1: that they do. The idea that some of them are
Speaker 1: being asked to go to work without pay, that the
Speaker 1: largest employer in our state is not paying their employees,
Speaker 1: that has a real negative impact to the point you're making.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are folks who still need to go
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, they still need to pay for
Speaker 1: their kids' childcare, they still need to get their kid
Speaker 1: the baseball bat they need for littally whatever, and they're not.
Speaker 1: I think what's different about this shutdown than past. In
Speaker 1: the past, they were kind of guaranteed they were going
Speaker 1: to get their money back at the end of it,
Speaker 1: and so it sucks, but they probably thought, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can get through a week or two or three, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to get all that money back. The way
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is doing things, the way these people around
Speaker 1: them are doing things, I don't think they know they're
Speaker 1: going to get their money back. And so it's not
Speaker 1: just about kind of floating through three weeks, right, maybe
Speaker 1: dip in the savings, put the money back at extent
Speaker 1: that you have the savings. This is really serious stuff
Speaker 1: because they don't know that they're going to get that
Speaker 1: back pay. I think the way Trump has treated the
Speaker 1: federal work for us, it's just so disrespectful from a
Speaker 1: human standpoint. In fact, he's laid off a ton of
Speaker 1: federal workers. We've hired them in the state. They got
Speaker 1: great skills, great expertise, and they want to do good
Speaker 1: by their you know, their fellow Americans, and so we've
Speaker 1: hired them and they're doing really important work. For us.
Speaker 1: I think you got to treat people with respect when
Speaker 1: they're doing these jobs, and clearly the president isn't.
Speaker 3: Now I read a. Kamala Harris's book one hundred and
Speaker 3: seven Days Just Switching gave a little bit sure, and
Speaker 3: I saw your comments on her book. And for those
Speaker 3: who don't know the form of VP, wrote that Governor
Speaker 3: Shapiro seemed overly ambitious because you were, you know, up
Speaker 3: with a VP role. She said, you seemed overly ambitious,
Speaker 3: and you pushed for two large a role for a
Speaker 3: vice president and seemed unwilling to accept a number two position.
Speaker 3: How did you feel when you heard that?
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I haven't read her book. I'm busy
Speaker 1: every day, frankly, dealing with the effects of the fact
Speaker 1: that we lost the twenty twenty four election, dealing with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wanting to send troops into our street, dealing
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, by the way, just a week or
Speaker 1: two ago, demanding that I turn over the entire voter roles,
Speaker 1: including Pennsylvane's social Security number, driver's license, some of all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I don't know what the hell he wants
Speaker 1: that for, but I know it's not for any good purpose,
Speaker 1: and he sued me when I wouldn't turn it over.
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with the real effects of governing in the world,
Speaker 1: you know, after Donald Trump won the election. So haven't
Speaker 1: read the book having really focused on it.
Speaker 3: But even what's wrong with the vice president being overly ambitious?
Speaker 3: If you're the number two to the number one, Yeah,
Speaker 3: shouldn't you be ready to be number one?
Speaker 1: I guess that's a question for her. She clearly thought it.
Speaker 3: And you also criticized her, which I thought was fair,
Speaker 3: for not speaking out publicly earlier about concerns over President
Speaker 3: Biden's fitness to run in twenty twenty four. To me,
Speaker 3: that's not just the criticism for the VP as a
Speaker 3: criticism for a whole democratic point.
Speaker 1: You and I have talked about that issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to get into it with the
Speaker 1: former vice president, but I mean, if you're in the room,
Speaker 1: you're seeing things nobody else is seeing, you had a
Speaker 1: responsibility to speak up, and she didn't.
Speaker 4: Do you think?
Speaker 3: Hold on, I think about it and we can move on.
Speaker 3: But the book the book also mentioned because you didn't
Speaker 3: read it, but it mentioned that some of your comments
Speaker 3: on pro Palestinian protests were flagged by her campaign, but
Speaker 3: that wasn't a deciding factor, do you think.
Speaker 1: Look, I wasn't in her head. I don't know what
Speaker 1: she was thinking. I'll just say to you, I think
Speaker 1: I said this to you before, just to keep it real, man,
Speaker 1: when I was going through that process. First off, it's
Speaker 1: an honor to go through that process. I said throughout
Speaker 1: it that she had a deeply personal decision to make.
Speaker 1: In the end, Charlemagne, so did I and I love
Speaker 1: being governor of Pennsylvania and calling the shots.
Speaker 2: Now, it seems like you two don't rock with each
Speaker 2: other too much, right And from the comments that Charlemagne
Speaker 2: said in the book and things that you said.
Speaker 3: About who a couple of hors, no, I don't get that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Shit and I have done each
Speaker 1: other twenty years. I mean, we've worked together for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it's a united front, right, But
Speaker 2: sometimes you look at Republicans per se, it seems like
Speaker 2: it's more of affront.
Speaker 4: It just seems like that front wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think so envy. I worked my butt off
Speaker 1: to help her get elected. I mean I did every
Speaker 1: I traveled with Gretchen Whitmer and Tony Evers to all
Speaker 1: three swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. I did dozens of events. Hell,
Speaker 1: I even cutting add for I don't think her campaign
Speaker 1: ever ran it, but cuttingand for her in Pennsylvania where
Speaker 1: you know I'm doing okay there. So yeah, I got
Speaker 1: no ill will and I don't think she does toward me.
Speaker 5: What about because I know you had a conversation with
Speaker 5: Biden one on one where you told him that you
Speaker 5: didn't think that he was like fit to run, right,
Speaker 5: you had conversations with the VP leading up to her
Speaker 5: announcing and all the things. Did you ever say to
Speaker 5: her you should say something now like people are relying
Speaker 5: on you.
Speaker 1: Well, I never had a conversation with her. I went
Speaker 1: directly to the President and spoke to him about what
Speaker 1: I saw were, you know, his challenges in Pennsylvania. I
Speaker 1: was really honest with him. We got together at a
Speaker 1: coffee shop in Harrisburg. I think there's been reported. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll just share with you. He said, how's it going.
Speaker 1: I was very clear, it's not going well. The polls
Speaker 1: are showing it's not going well. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: handling the cost question back to what we talked about
Speaker 1: before with rising costs. It was a big theme in
Speaker 1: the campaign, big issue in Pennsylvania. I didn't think they
Speaker 1: were handling that well. I expressed that I thought people
Speaker 1: thought he wasn't up to the job, not so much
Speaker 1: the job doing it at that moment, but the job
Speaker 1: doing it for another four years, which I think there's
Speaker 1: a real difference there. And I was very honest with
Speaker 1: him about that. Look, I'm maybe it's old school, but
Speaker 1: I believe that if you got something to say, you
Speaker 1: say it directly that person's face. And these President of
Speaker 1: the United States. I respected him, still respect him, and
Speaker 1: I respect him enough to say it directly to his face.
Speaker 3: I was received.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he heard it. He told me that
Speaker 1: their poll numbers were different, and he seemed committed to
Speaker 1: continuing forward and listen, that's his call, of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the President of the United States, and so to me,
Speaker 1: I thought I had a responsibility, as the governor from
Speaker 1: arguably the most important swing state in the entire country,
Speaker 1: to be very honest about what I was seeing on
Speaker 1: the ground, and to be very honest about the fact
Speaker 1: that I saw real challenges for him to get or
Speaker 1: for him to win Pennsylvania. And I was also really
Speaker 1: honest with him that I had shared a lot of
Speaker 1: this with his team, and I didn't think that they
Speaker 1: were being direct with him, And so I felt the
Speaker 1: need to take what is, you know, a fairly extraordinary
Speaker 1: step and go directly to the president and say this.
Speaker 3: You can't, you should. That stuff should be amplified. Like
Speaker 3: I knew that story, right. But the reason I say
Speaker 3: that stuff should be amplified it because that's what's going
Speaker 3: to help you in the future if you do decide
Speaker 3: to run for president. Because I keep telling folks like, look, man,
Speaker 3: anybody that wants to lead his party in the future
Speaker 3: has to throw that old regime under the and it
Speaker 3: has to be people that told that old regime the
Speaker 3: truth about where they were at. It wasn't a lot
Speaker 3: of y'all that did that.
Speaker 1: Can I disagree with you slightly on this. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that you get ahead in life by throwing people
Speaker 1: under the bus. I don't believe that I got to
Speaker 1: kick somebody in order to get ahead. I think you
Speaker 1: got to show your work. I think you got to
Speaker 1: show a vision. I think you got to tell people
Speaker 1: what you're all about, and That's how you know you
Speaker 1: can be successful as a governor, as senator, whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you do. I made my point clear to
Speaker 1: the president and the former president, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: glad I did that.
Speaker 3: Okay, how about being known as a truth teller and
Speaker 3: a party that lied to the whole country?
Speaker 1: I think speaking truth is really important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did that.
Speaker 1: I think people believing that even if they disagree with
Speaker 1: you on an issue, or they disagree with your viewpoint
Speaker 1: on something, at least they walk away knowing, Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, that guy was straight with me. I mean, hell,
Speaker 1: I think we started the conversation. I was at a
Speaker 1: farm in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania yesterday. This is not an
Speaker 1: area that Democrats go to. And I was there talking
Speaker 1: for real about tariffs and other things, and I kind
Speaker 1: of made a joke. I said, look, I know where
Speaker 1: I am. I know I'm in Lebanon County. I know
Speaker 1: this isn't exactly, you know, an area where I'm getting
Speaker 1: a majority of the vote or however I said it.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to be here today and I wanted
Speaker 1: to be clear with you about what I think, how
Speaker 1: I feel, and how I see things. I think what
Speaker 1: the American people really want. Certainly people of Pennsylvania want
Speaker 1: again swingy estate in the whole country, I think it's
Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator of where others are. They just
Speaker 1: want to be real, they want to be authentic, and
Speaker 1: they don't need to agree with you on everything like
Speaker 1: this isn't about everybody agreeing on a purity test. They
Speaker 1: want to know what's in your heart. They want to
Speaker 1: know what motivates you to serve, and they want to
Speaker 1: know what you really think.
Speaker 4: Were you surprised when when Trump won Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: No, I mean I saw when Biden dropped out, he
Speaker 1: had been consistently down and by the way I shared
Speaker 1: this with the former president, he'd been consistently down five
Speaker 1: six seven points. When the vice president jumped in, you
Speaker 1: saw the numbers close, but they never She never overtook him,
Speaker 1: and any of the data that we saw, and look,
Speaker 1: I think beyond the data, I got a pretty good
Speaker 1: feel for my state and in my state, you know,
Speaker 1: you get a sense of sort of where different areas
Speaker 1: are going and how they're moving, and she just never
Speaker 1: was able to close that gap. Now, look, if she
Speaker 1: would have one Pennsylvania by fifty thousand votes. Would I
Speaker 1: have been shocked?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But you asked me, was I surprised or shocked that
Speaker 1: he won? No? Because basically by the end, when we
Speaker 1: were in that final couple weeks, you know, she's kind
Speaker 1: of minus one, even minus two, something like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that she had overcome where he was.
Speaker 5: If she had separated herself more from Biden, do you
Speaker 5: think she could have won the state? What do you
Speaker 5: think was the reason why she didn't?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, what's the title the
Speaker 1: book one hundred and I mean she didn't. She didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of time, right and fairness to her.
Speaker 1: But it kind of goes back to what I was
Speaker 1: just saying a moment ago. People want to know who
Speaker 1: you are. They want genuineness, they want authenticity, they want
Speaker 1: to feel like they know who you are. And you
Speaker 1: know clearly that that was not accomplished.
Speaker 3: How much credit do you think President Trump should get
Speaker 3: for the Israel and Gaza?
Speaker 1: He deserves credit. I gave him credit. I gave him
Speaker 1: credit for getting the hostages home. I think what I
Speaker 1: also said is he's got a hell of a lot
Speaker 1: of work to do on what I think is being
Speaker 1: called Phase two, and Phase two is arguably the most
Speaker 1: important piece of this. Now that the hostages are home
Speaker 1: and the war has stopped, the violence has stopped, you
Speaker 1: got to feed these folks in Gaza. You got to
Speaker 1: make sure that they get the humanitarian aid that they
Speaker 1: so desperately need. And you've got to get these other
Speaker 1: Arab nations to actually pony up and begin to rebuild
Speaker 1: those neighborhoos, rebuild that area. At the same time, Hamas
Speaker 1: has to be disarmed. They cannot continue to be in power.
Speaker 1: Look at what they've been doing just over the last
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. They're murdering they're fellow citizens there because
Speaker 1: they don't like that they're supporting a rival political party
Speaker 1: or they believe that they collaborated with the Israelis. So
Speaker 1: you cannot allow Hamas to remain in power. And you've
Speaker 1: got to get aid in there, and you've got to
Speaker 1: get the rebuilding process started. So yeah, I get President
Speaker 1: Trump credit for what he did. By the same token,
Speaker 1: he's got a hell of a lot more work to do,
Speaker 1: and I hope he sees this through.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who feel like the deal
Speaker 3: isn't complete though, because of a lot of the dead bodies, haven't.
Speaker 3: They're still digging a dead bat of yeah, retireing, and
Speaker 3: you know when it comes when you're dead hostage. When
Speaker 3: you say peace like Hamas doesn't believe in is right,
Speaker 3: they exist. The current Israeli government doesn't believe in a
Speaker 3: two state solutions, So how are they ever going to
Speaker 3: be peace?
Speaker 1: Look, I'll just tell you my views on this, And
Speaker 1: again you asked me about the president before. I was
Speaker 1: trying to give you an honest answer on that. We
Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get to phase two.
Speaker 1: We got to disarm Hamas, get them out of power,
Speaker 1: and invest in Godsen. Now what does a future look like?
Speaker 1: And this is where I just have profound differences from Natanyahu,
Speaker 1: and I've been really outspoken about this even prior to
Speaker 1: October seventh. The only way you're going to have peace
Speaker 1: and stability in the region for a long time is
Speaker 1: if you're a kid growing up in the Palestinian areas
Speaker 1: and you believe you've got a future. You got a
Speaker 1: future because of the job you want, because the education
Speaker 1: you're getting, you know, whatever name is. By the way,
Speaker 1: the way our kids feel like they've got a future
Speaker 1: here in this country. When people have hope and they
Speaker 1: believe that they can have a brighter future, they don't
Speaker 1: turn to terrorism, they don't turn to hate. Instead, they
Speaker 1: focus on loving and they focus on how to create
Speaker 1: a better future for themselves and their families. So to me,
Speaker 1: if you can stabilize the region, get Hamas out of power,
Speaker 1: the our world, come together and invest, then you have
Speaker 1: to go onto the next phase of the conversation, which
Speaker 1: is a two state solution, something I have supported for
Speaker 1: quite some time. Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist.
Speaker 1: That's why they cannot be empower. Their whole charter calls
Speaker 1: for the destruction of Israel and destruction the killing of
Speaker 1: Jews and on the same tongue and hamasaid terrorist group.
Speaker 1: Natanyahu on the other side, the leader of Israel doesn't
Speaker 1: believe in a two state solution, so he can't. He
Speaker 1: either can't be empower right if you're going to get
Speaker 1: to a two state solution, or the President needs to
Speaker 1: get him to change his views on that issue. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not naive you're not going to get to a
Speaker 1: two state solution in the next few months or probably
Speaker 1: even year, But we've got to get on a path
Speaker 1: where Palestinians can live their lives with dignity, where Israelis
Speaker 1: can live their lives with dignity and safety, and where
Speaker 1: everybody in the region feels like they have an opportunity
Speaker 1: for success and prosperity and promise in the future.
Speaker 3: I feel agree with you about him, Maaz. I feel
Speaker 3: like Natanyahu should be removed from power to it. And
Speaker 3: you you've called him one of the worst leaders I
Speaker 3: have of all time. And you, you know, defend Israel
Speaker 3: clearly because you do it right.
Speaker 1: No, not because I'm just because I think, first off,
Speaker 1: I love Israel. I think it is a wonderful country
Speaker 1: with a rich heritage. I think it is an incredible
Speaker 1: melting pot of people, Jewish and non Jewish. I also
Speaker 1: think it is vitally important to our national security. It
Speaker 1: is important to having stability in the region. You look
Speaker 1: around at these other Arab nations that have created relationships
Speaker 1: with Israel where there's now commerce and other activities through
Speaker 1: what's known as the Abraham Accords and in other agreements.
Speaker 1: They view Israel as critical for their future and vice versa.
Speaker 1: So I think for all those reasons, I support it.
Speaker 1: I don't like Nita Yah who, I don't think that
Speaker 1: he's led Israel down a good path. I think he's
Speaker 1: been a destructive leader. I don't get a vote there,
Speaker 1: but I sure as heck hope that as we go
Speaker 1: forward here, either the President gets him to change his
Speaker 1: views or the Israelis make a different choice and in
Speaker 1: their election that's their right to pick, not mine. But
Speaker 1: I think this is not just important because I'm a
Speaker 1: proud American Jew. This is important I think for America's
Speaker 1: you know, national security interests.
Speaker 3: Where is the line between criticizing Israeli policy and endorsing
Speaker 3: actions you believe cross moral or even legal boundaries?
Speaker 1: Explain what you're asking me.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like with net and Yahoo right, like
Speaker 3: you know, you say he's one of the worst leaders
Speaker 3: of all time. Clearly he's some people have said he's
Speaker 3: crossed a lot of moral and legal boundaries. So where
Speaker 3: is the line between you know, criticizing him, but in
Speaker 3: I guess, in endorsing yeah actions, Because if.
Speaker 1: You're kind of understanding, do you love this country absolutely yeah?
Speaker 1: And do you think Donald Trump does a lot of
Speaker 1: mass up ship?
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah?
Speaker 1: That's the line. I mean, I think I think we
Speaker 1: are obviously free in this country and freedom in Israel.
Speaker 1: To be able to criticize leaders, to be able to say,
Speaker 1: I disagree with this policy, I don't like the way
Speaker 1: you did this, I don't like the way you prosecuted
Speaker 1: the war. Whatever the case is. That's fair game, by
Speaker 1: the way, and it's fair game here in America to
Speaker 1: be able to call that out if you disagree. Now,
Speaker 1: when some people use that as a way to promote
Speaker 1: anti Semitism and bigotry and hatred and Islamophobia, that's not okay.
Speaker 1: So I think criticizing policy, criticizing leaders fair game. When
Speaker 1: you use that as an excuse to, you know, to
Speaker 1: criticize someone because of their faith or how they look
Speaker 1: or the way they're raising their kids, I think that
Speaker 1: crosses the line.
Speaker 3: I agree. Let's stay here for a second. Right, Because
Speaker 3: I said Israeli policy, I probably say Net and Yahoo policy, right,
Speaker 3: all right? Or when you say America, do you say
Speaker 3: Trump policy?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Right? But those are the leaders at the time, So
Speaker 3: should we generalize Should they reflect the whole country? No?
Speaker 1: I think it should reflect the leaders who are in power. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm critical of President Trump and I love
Speaker 1: this country. I mean, I serve this country. I believe
Speaker 1: in the values of this country. I believe that we're
Speaker 1: working progress and that we're always perfecting our union. I
Speaker 1: believe that we're a country that in every chapter of
Speaker 1: our American story, we grow stronger, we grow more tolerant,
Speaker 1: we grow more just. And I also believe in this
Speaker 1: American story that we have chapters where we take two
Speaker 1: steps forward and one step back. And right now we're
Speaker 1: in the midst of taking a step back. Maybe you
Speaker 1: could even argue two or three, or four or five
Speaker 1: steps back. It doesn't make me love this country any less.
Speaker 1: It actually makes me want to fight even harder to
Speaker 1: strengthen what I believe is the best of this nation.
Speaker 3: And only reason I'm asking these questions is because you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people feel like APAC and pro Israel
Speaker 3: lobbyists have a lot of influence on elected officials here
Speaker 3: in America. Why do they have so much influence?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean, I don't really
Speaker 1: deal with a pack. They're more dealing at the federal level.
Speaker 1: And look, I think you can broaden that out and
Speaker 1: say every lobbying group has too much power. And I
Speaker 1: think we all can agree there's way too much money
Speaker 1: in politics, and oftentimes that money brings with it under influence.
Speaker 1: My focus every day is trying to get out and
Speaker 1: be with regular folk and hear what's on their minds,
Speaker 1: and talk to parents about what they're worried about for
Speaker 1: their kids' future, and you know, sort of trying and
Speaker 1: get out of that echo chamber that oftentimes surround you
Speaker 1: when you're in the Capitol or when you're just in
Speaker 1: those circles and talk to real people every day. I
Speaker 1: think that's how I've been able to kind of keep
Speaker 1: my feel for where things are. I think it's why
Speaker 1: we're doing so well in Pennsylvania is you focus on
Speaker 1: regular people, not just the inside voices.
Speaker 3: Because I read an article in the New York Times
Speaker 3: about Democrats pulling away from APEC, so clearly it's having
Speaker 3: some impact on them politically if they feel like they
Speaker 3: got to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's become a political issue. You've
Speaker 1: used it as a political issue. You've questioned federal representatives
Speaker 1: when they're on here on that. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if I can say this to you, you know, not
Speaker 1: trying to offend you here, but I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shortcut and a little bit of
Speaker 1: a lazy question. I think the better question is how
Speaker 1: do you really feel about Israel? How you feel about
Speaker 1: a two state solution, how do you feel about the war,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about you know, the hostages or
Speaker 1: hungry kids, or what have you. I think demanding answers
Speaker 1: on those questions is more important than Hey, what about
Speaker 1: this lobbying group or that lobbying group.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you say to the critics who argue
Speaker 3: that US foreign policy on Israel is often shaped not
Speaker 3: by a national interest, well by the lobbying screenp of these.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair conversation to have, and I
Speaker 1: think it should be on any elected official at the
Speaker 1: federal level to say, hey, I'm listening to this group, right,
Speaker 1: but by the way, there's groups on other sides too.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to that group. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, we want our federal representatives to be able
Speaker 1: to sit here in the chair and answer the questions
Speaker 1: about why they voted A, or why they voted B,
Speaker 1: or why they feel a certain way. And I think
Speaker 1: it's just a little lazy to say, oh, it's got
Speaker 1: to be because of that interest group. Maybe someone actually
Speaker 1: believes those views, maybe someone feels strongly about that particular way.
Speaker 3: How do you push back on the lobbyists who have
Speaker 3: so much influence.
Speaker 1: I kind of do it the way I do it,
Speaker 1: which is in my state, I focus on the needs
Speaker 1: of the people. I focus on what I hear from folks.
Speaker 1: You know. I kind of have an informal rule that
Speaker 1: I work about seven days a week. I try and
Speaker 1: only be in my physical office in the capital about
Speaker 1: three days a week, and so I'm physically out and
Speaker 1: about listening to folks. I was on that farm in
Speaker 1: Lebanon County yesterday. Tomorrow morning, I'll be in Erie, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I think the more I am out and not in
Speaker 1: scripted moments, but actually just talking to real folk, hearing
Speaker 1: what's on their minds, that allows me to keep fighting
Speaker 1: for them. I'll tell you something else I do. You're
Speaker 1: gonna laugh. But I spend a lot of time in
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvanian Turnpike going different places. I will make a
Speaker 1: point to have the guys stop at a rest stop,
Speaker 1: even if I don't really need anything, just to wander
Speaker 1: through and chat with folks and see what's on their mind.
Speaker 1: Like I am always trying to find those moments where
Speaker 1: I can have the unscripted dialogue when I'm at my
Speaker 1: kids baseball game on the you know, on the sideline
Speaker 1: or at one of their games, you know, rather than
Speaker 1: just let people kind of come over to you and say, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: you know Gov, it's nice to meet her, whatever, Can
Speaker 1: you take a selfie? It's hey, tell me what's on
Speaker 1: your mind? What's going on? Like, I'm happy to do
Speaker 1: the selfie with you, But but it changed that I
Speaker 1: want to know what you're thinking about I am. I
Speaker 1: am always craving those moments where I can have those conversations.
Speaker 1: And when I can have those conversations, then quite frankly,
Speaker 1: the powerful folks in the fancy suits that wander around
Speaker 1: the Capitol become less important to how you form your
Speaker 1: views on things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I loved that because you're out there
Speaker 3: connecting with people. That that's that shows real power to
Speaker 3: the people. To your point, folks in DC is connecting
Speaker 3: with the lobbyists, so they're given the power to the lobbyist.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's just a psychological thing, like yo,
Speaker 3: step out of DC, step out of that bubble and
Speaker 3: go show and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful the people that
Speaker 1: serve in Congress. I'm sure a lot of them do
Speaker 1: what I do and and do a great job representing
Speaker 1: their their communities. I'm just telling you how I do it.
Speaker 2: Now, you eliminated for you to requirements for most state
Speaker 2: jobs I did. Why was that important? And does that
Speaker 2: kind of tell a young student I don't have to
Speaker 2: get my degree anymore?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems college is getting less and less and
Speaker 4: less important.
Speaker 1: Well, look, this is something I'm super passionate about. And
Speaker 1: what you didn't mention the question. It was literally the
Speaker 1: first thing I did as governor. So as soon as
Speaker 1: I got the power as governor and got the pen,
Speaker 1: I signed in executive order doing away with the college
Speaker 1: requirement to work for state government. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's basically every job other than the doctors and the
Speaker 1: nurses and you know people that we require to have
Speaker 1: those those advanced degrees. That opened up nearly seventy thousand
Speaker 1: jobs to people without a college degree, And sixty one
Speaker 1: percent of the people we've hired over the last two
Speaker 1: and a half years i've been governor do not have
Speaker 1: a college degree. And We didn't stop there. We went
Speaker 1: and tripled funding in our state budget for more votech
Speaker 1: They got a fancy word for it now, they call
Speaker 1: it CTE and our high schools and funding for more
Speaker 1: apprenticeship programs and pre apprenticeship programs. So now what we're
Speaker 1: saying to folks is, you're in the ninth grade, you're
Speaker 1: in the tenth grade. We want to help prepare you
Speaker 1: for your future. You want to go work on a farm,
Speaker 1: you can get CTE training in dairy herd management. You
Speaker 1: want to be a welder and work on a big
Speaker 1: construction project, because God knows we need a whole lot
Speaker 1: more of that in this country. We'll show you in tenth, eleven,
Speaker 1: twelfth grade how to do it, and then we'll have
Speaker 1: a pipeline right into an apprenticeship program that the state
Speaker 1: is helping fund, and then you'll be out in a job,
Speaker 1: by the way, making over one hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: We want people to see avenues to success and opportunity,
Speaker 1: where they choose to go to college, they choose to
Speaker 1: go to the military, they choose to go into the
Speaker 1: workforce in a union hall, whatever. And the most important
Speaker 1: thing here in view is I want to treat all
Speaker 1: of those pathways with respect. And you treat those pathways
Speaker 1: with respect by how you speak about them. But also
Speaker 1: your budgets show your values, and so we are investing
Speaker 1: in those things. And as a result, I've got thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand new Pennsylvanians who are going through an apprenticeship.
Speaker 1: I got young people who are now getting jobs that
Speaker 1: they never knew existed because they were exposed to it
Speaker 1: in high school. When we did away with the college
Speaker 1: degear requirement for our state police, we saw two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty percent increase in the number of applications to
Speaker 1: be a state trooper, and by the way, far more
Speaker 1: diverse applications than we've ever had before. If you look
Speaker 1: at this from the standpoint of right or wrong, man,
Speaker 1: I know we're doing what's right to give more people opportunity.
Speaker 1: I think you know every single Americans have the freedom
Speaker 1: to chart their own course, the opportunity to succeed. But
Speaker 1: you want to come back to politics. We've talked a
Speaker 1: lot about politics today. Do you know how freaking dumb
Speaker 1: it is to not do this politically? Let me explain.
Speaker 1: Sixty two percent of Pennsylvania adults don't have a college degree.
Speaker 1: So you think about where our party has been over
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Everything's been about get a college.
Speaker 1: You're you can do this, yout college are gonna do that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not dissing on college, right,
Speaker 1: I went to college. But if you talk like that,
Speaker 1: you are now saying to sixty two percent of people,
Speaker 1: we disrespect you. And what you're really doing is you're
Speaker 1: developing plans only for thirty eight percent of folks. We
Speaker 1: last I checked, you need fifty percent plus one to
Speaker 1: win elections. And so to me, it was dumb politically,
Speaker 1: but it was also just wrong to treat people with
Speaker 1: a lack of respect if they chose to go work
Speaker 1: at a construction site or work on a farm, or
Speaker 1: decide to take the skills they have and not go
Speaker 1: to college but go directly in the workforce or go
Speaker 1: to the military. We have changed that in Pennsylvania, not
Speaker 1: just with that executive order, but with all of the
Speaker 1: funding decisions we've made from there to give more people
Speaker 1: an opportunity.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, because those are people that really make the
Speaker 3: world go around. Yeah, people that are on those construction site. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people that are in the trade industry. Yeah, those people
Speaker 3: that really make the world go around. Let me let me.
Speaker 1: Put an exclamation point on that. They are the ones
Speaker 1: who make the world gorount. America used to have an
Speaker 1: amazing history of shipbuilding, right. Building is big ships for
Speaker 1: the Navy and stuff like that. Do you know We've
Speaker 1: got the oldest shipyard in America in Philadelphia. It's actually
Speaker 1: where the US Navy began. We just celebrated the two
Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Navy and the Marines
Speaker 1: as well. This shipyard currently produces one and a half
Speaker 1: of these massive ships a year. They build one and
Speaker 1: a half ships a year. We just worked out a
Speaker 1: deal with the Korean government and a company called Hanwa
Speaker 1: where at that site they're going to now make eleven
Speaker 1: or twelve ships a year. By the way, in China
Speaker 1: they're making that each month. They're making more than that
Speaker 1: each month. So America's got a long way to go.
Speaker 1: Why am I bringing this up because to get to
Speaker 1: that eleven or twelve we don't have enough welders right
Speaker 1: now to be able to do that work. America stopped
Speaker 1: training the people that were building the stuff that we
Speaker 1: need for this country too many years ago, and we've
Speaker 1: got to get back to developing those talents so we
Speaker 1: can build these ships, we can build buildings, we can
Speaker 1: do big things again in America. And the way we
Speaker 1: do that is by having folks who have those skills,
Speaker 1: and we're investing in those skills in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: That's old you guys are doing with the PA Sites
Speaker 5: program to the thirty nine million. Yeah, yeah, that's why.
Speaker 5: So that will help with a lot of the jobs
Speaker 5: that you're talking about. There will be more jobs for
Speaker 5: those people who didn't be Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we put a half a billion dollars aside
Speaker 1: to take these old abandoned coal mines and these old
Speaker 1: industrial sites where nothing's been going on for forty or
Speaker 1: fifty years. I was just standing on one of those
Speaker 1: sites in Archbald, Pennsylvania, which is like near Scranton in
Speaker 1: northeastern Pennsylvania, and for a few tens of millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: we're going to turn that into a place that's going
Speaker 1: to thousands of construction jobs and over one thousand permanent jobs.
Speaker 1: When I was having CEOs come and say, hey, we
Speaker 1: want to come to Pennsylvania, show us the sites where
Speaker 1: we can build our box our building, like we don't
Speaker 1: have any now we have them. And so when you
Speaker 1: do that, you really turn this dirt into freedom and
Speaker 1: opportunity and you build these sites that are going to
Speaker 1: employ thousands of people. This is a big deal, especially
Speaker 1: in communities that have been hollowed out and left behind,
Speaker 1: primarily in rural parts of my state that have just
Speaker 1: been ignored for so long. And I think is really
Speaker 1: important that these people growing up in these communities see
Speaker 1: opportunity for their kids, and I'm working really hard to
Speaker 1: do that in this sites program. So developing these grounds
Speaker 1: for companies that want to come in and do business
Speaker 1: is a really critical part of that.
Speaker 3: It's got a few more questions for you. Thank you
Speaker 3: for your time, but sure, what's your message to people
Speaker 3: future voters in particular, who feel like every politician Democrat
Speaker 3: are Republican is bought.
Speaker 1: Look at my record and focus on the three letters
Speaker 1: that I focus on every day, GSD, get shit done.
Speaker 1: That is my motto every day. Look, I can't please
Speaker 1: all the people all the time. I can't say that
Speaker 1: every single pennsylvani is going to have the same worldview
Speaker 1: I have agreed with me on every issue. But if
Speaker 1: I can put points on the board for them every day.
Speaker 1: If I can show them that their kid got help
Speaker 1: health care, that the building got built, that the job
Speaker 1: was available to them, like real things, that is what
Speaker 1: we need more of in government, where people see tangible results. Look,
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why poll after poll
Speaker 1: after poll shows across this country people are down. They
Speaker 1: think we're heading in the wrong direction. They're pessimistic. I
Speaker 1: think in part it's because they view government is actually
Speaker 1: not solving problems anymore. One of the things I thought
Speaker 1: was amazing was after we fixed nine ninety five, Member
Speaker 1: I ninety five collapsed and the experts said it was
Speaker 1: going to take months to rebuild. We got it rebuilt
Speaker 1: with the amazing Philadelphia building trades in just twelve days.
Speaker 3: The number of.
Speaker 1: People came over to me and said, man, I don't
Speaker 1: drive on nine ninety five, but that was amazing that
Speaker 1: government can still do something like that. I think people
Speaker 1: have grown so hopeless and so down, and so to
Speaker 1: me is someone who actually believes government can be a
Speaker 1: force for good in people's lives. If I can show
Speaker 1: my work, put points on the board, get shit done
Speaker 1: for them every day, even if they disagree with me
Speaker 1: on some issue here there, They're at least going to
Speaker 1: know I'm fighting for them, getting stuff done for them,
Speaker 1: and that is what I think we need more of
Speaker 1: in government.
Speaker 3: Is it possible for an elected official to get a
Speaker 3: million of dollars from you know, corporate donors or even
Speaker 3: lobbying interested and still really work for the people over
Speaker 3: those Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I mean you've asked me a few questions on that,
Speaker 1: and clearly I know you're bothered by that. I think
Speaker 1: we're all bothered by the amount of money in politics,
Speaker 1: particularly the dark money that nobody kind of knows where
Speaker 1: it's coming from. But I think you know, largely the voters.
Speaker 1: I'll just speak to Pennsylvania. They're smart, they know who's
Speaker 1: on their side. They see it. I got voters who
Speaker 1: sometimes show up and vote for Republicans, sometimes vote for Democrats.
Speaker 1: They get it. I think that dark money can pollute,
Speaker 1: it sometimes can crowd out the voices sometimes, but overall,
Speaker 1: I think voters are a lot smarter and they could
Speaker 1: see through that when the.
Speaker 3: Last time you told a donor no, even though it
Speaker 3: costs you politically.
Speaker 1: That's happened many times in my career, and I'm not
Speaker 1: suggesting anything unethical or illegal, or the donor was trying
Speaker 1: to do anything unethical or illegal. But yeah, I've had them,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes say to me, well, I would I
Speaker 1: believe in this and that and the other thing, And
Speaker 1: I'll say, look, you know what, keep your money. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be your friend, but I don't believe in that,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do that. And again, nothing
Speaker 1: wrong or unethical or illegal. But they've got a different
Speaker 1: view on things than I do. And frankly, I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in, you know, having their support if you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to look at things differently on those fronts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't have a problem with
Speaker 3: people taking the money. It's just that when you take
Speaker 3: the money and you're beholden to them' That's what I
Speaker 3: would tell elected officials. You don't have to be beholden
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: Look, I feel blessed. I've got a whole lot of
Speaker 1: people who have invested in my campaigns over time. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm sure some of them don't agree with
Speaker 1: some of the things that I stand for, but they
Speaker 1: believe in in my approach to governing and the work
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do to help other people, and I
Speaker 1: feel has to have their support. But I can tell
Speaker 1: you there's there's not one donor or one group or
Speaker 1: whatever that I go Oh man, I got to please them.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to do something that I disagree with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
Speaker 3: People are going to people will always assume it's APEC
Speaker 3: though APAK is the boogeyman in all.
Speaker 1: Of It's code for a lot. Yeah, and it's what
Speaker 1: I said to you before and again, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean this with respect. I think in some ways it's
Speaker 1: a lazy shortcut. I think it's more important that folks
Speaker 1: are being forced to answer questions about what they see
Speaker 1: as necessary for that region or on that topic, or
Speaker 1: on that that issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wonder if it's something that politicians are
Speaker 3: going to have to continue to explain in the future.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that is that is fair. I think if
Speaker 1: you're a politician and you take a dollar from someone,
Speaker 1: you need to be able to justify taking that dollar.
Speaker 1: And the justification could be, hey, look, they invested in
Speaker 1: my campaign. Doesn't mean I agree with them on every issue.
Speaker 1: A lot of people invest in the campaign, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that the burden is on the elected official
Speaker 1: or the candidate running for office on that front, for sure,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But I think to just kind
Speaker 1: of presuppose, well, took a dollar from Charlie Mane, you
Speaker 1: must agree with everything Charla Maine thinks. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's fair, And that's.
Speaker 3: What people want. People want to make sure that they
Speaker 3: want you to ensure them that just because you took
Speaker 3: money from these lobby groups, that these lobby groups don't
Speaker 3: have the influence over your decision making. I think.
Speaker 1: Look, one of the things that I appreciate so much
Speaker 1: about how the people Pennsylvania view me, and we see
Speaker 1: this in elections and polls after polls, that they see
Speaker 1: me as being an independent voice and being someone on
Speaker 1: their side. And I'm proud of that.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. I know.
Speaker 4: You have one last question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just saw that they made an arrest
Speaker 5: yesterday in the Cada Scott, the missing girl in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the story. I just wanted to
Speaker 5: know because it seems like they're the police that are
Speaker 5: having issues with locate I mean, she's still missing, but
Speaker 5: they don't have anything that they're tracing, like no cell phone,
Speaker 5: no anything. Do you guys bring in additional resources there,
Speaker 5: because I'm so so Kaida Scott as a young woman.
Speaker 5: She's twenty three. She went young black women went missing
Speaker 5: in Philadelphia from work. She was being a harassed via
Speaker 5: phone by someone. Prior to that, she told her parents.
Speaker 5: Now she's missing. She's been missing for some time. They
Speaker 5: just made an arrest in the case, a young man,
Speaker 5: but they haven't told us what the tie to him
Speaker 5: is in the case. But it seems like though they're
Speaker 5: having issues with finding like her footsteps leading up to that,
Speaker 5: like cell phone, anything, or just whereabouts whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get ahead of the police on this.
Speaker 1: It is an awful, awful case and just my prayers
Speaker 1: go out to her family. I can tell you that
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania State Police, which I ever see through through
Speaker 1: our State Police Commissioner, we work very closely with local authorities,
Speaker 1: including the Philadelphia Police and the Philadelfia Police, are outstanding
Speaker 1: in these cases and I've confidence that they'll get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Our technology, our unique know how,
Speaker 1: the tool we have to solve these kinds of cases
Speaker 1: are always brought to bear to work with our municipal
Speaker 1: partners to make sure that we address crime in our communities.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is an awful case, and hopefully they'll
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. I would also just
Speaker 1: caution you, you know, I mean disrespectful to you and
Speaker 1: anyone in the media. There are lots of cases where
Speaker 1: we can't share all the information with the media as
Speaker 1: we're working them, because sometimes you don't want something to
Speaker 1: come out at first. Ultimately, you know, you provide that
Speaker 1: transparency when the case is sort of closed. But we're
Speaker 1: kind of still in the midst of this one right now,
Speaker 1: and so I think, you know, not everything is being shared.
Speaker 1: But I got a lot of faith in the Philadelphia Police,
Speaker 1: and I can tell you that the Pennsylvania State Police
Speaker 1: is always get They're ready to support them in every
Speaker 1: other municipal department.
Speaker 3: I got one last question. You got a sixty two
Speaker 3: percent approval rate, right? How do you measure success by
Speaker 3: polling numbers? Are lives changed? Oh?
Speaker 1: Lives changed? And look for as for as wonderful it
Speaker 1: is to have a sixty two percent approval rating in
Speaker 1: the toughest state in the country to run in, I
Speaker 1: still rely not on the data that you cite, but
Speaker 1: the feel I get from people, whether on their farms
Speaker 1: and you know, downtown in you know, Pittsburgh, Center City, Philly,
Speaker 1: walking down the street, having someone stop me and go
Speaker 1: yogav and talk to me about something. That's where I
Speaker 1: get my feel from. And you know, I measure it
Speaker 1: in terms of what people tell me they want done
Speaker 1: and going out and doing it and the people's lives
Speaker 1: I touch along the way. I gotta tell you, I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, the motivation is not seeing a poll like that.
Speaker 1: It's when someone says, hey, Gov, five years ago, I
Speaker 1: reached out to you, and you know you were Returney
Speaker 1: General back then, but you took on my case and
Speaker 1: you helped me get you know, get back my money
Speaker 1: after someone tried to scam me. That's the stuff that
Speaker 1: fills up my cup. And you know, it kind of
Speaker 1: goes back to the first question, or one of the
Speaker 1: first questions you asked, you know, why do you do this?
Speaker 1: And what happens if your kids told you not to
Speaker 1: do it. I'm one of these people that is motivated
Speaker 1: by helping others, and I do. I do get fulfillment
Speaker 1: from people telling me I made their lives better, and
Speaker 1: and there's there's just an extraordinary feeling that you get
Speaker 1: from that. It's it's how I was raised, It's what
Speaker 1: my faith has taught me, and and that is what
Speaker 1: motivates me. Not you know, numbers in a poll. I'm
Speaker 1: grateful for that support, but knowing I changed someone's life,
Speaker 1: knowing I made it better, and and and pursuing the
Speaker 1: next thing and the next thing and the next thing.
Speaker 1: That's gonna help my communities out.
Speaker 3: You know, a life that h that that governor shaperial
Speaker 3: change that he doesn't talk about is Wallow. He's the
Speaker 3: one who pardoned Wallow. What made you want to pardon Wallow?
Speaker 1: I think there are people out there who had one
Speaker 1: bad day, or in Wallow's case, had a few bad days.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be real, and there are those that don't
Speaker 1: learn from that, and they end up living sad and
Speaker 1: tragic lives, oftentimes in jail or in places that are
Speaker 1: dangerous for them. And then there are other people. And
Speaker 1: while it's a great example that he happens to be famous,
Speaker 1: so you know about him, but there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of people who aren't famous who do this, who learn
Speaker 1: from that bad day who learn from those bad decisions,
Speaker 1: and they not only turn their lives around for themselves,
Speaker 1: but they then make a difference for others. And those
Speaker 1: are the people that I try to find. Those are
Speaker 1: the people whose cases I want to come across my
Speaker 1: desk so I can fix my signature to a pardon
Speaker 1: for them. That is an enormous power that a governor
Speaker 1: has to be able to sign your name and wipe
Speaker 1: away someone's bad deeds and give them an opportunity in
Speaker 1: life again. And I will tell you I take that
Speaker 1: power really, really seriously. Wallow Earn that he earned the
Speaker 1: right to have his case come across my desk, and
Speaker 1: he earned my signature because of the way in which
Speaker 1: he's lived his life and help make other lives better.
Speaker 1: The way he's helped other people get back on the
Speaker 1: right track, the way he's helped other people achieve prosperity
Speaker 1: for them and their families. The way he's I think,
Speaker 1: in many ways changed an industry, whether it's music or
Speaker 1: the kind of influencer industry or what have you. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's done extraordinary things, and I'm proud of him. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else I told him. I don't
Speaker 1: think he'd mind me sharing this. And I've said this
Speaker 1: to others who we've given second chances to, including those
Speaker 1: who have granted clemency to, which means letting them out
Speaker 1: of jail even though they're facing a life sentence. I
Speaker 1: tell them, don't screw up, because you are now an
Speaker 1: example to others. I said that to Meek. I've said
Speaker 1: that to a number of folks. You now have an
Speaker 1: enormous power to do good in the world, but you're
Speaker 1: also an example, and you've got an awesome amount of
Speaker 1: pressure and responsibility on you, and so live your life
Speaker 1: in a way where you acknowledge that pressure, you acknowledge
Speaker 1: that responsibility. And man, while I has done that, and
Speaker 1: I'm really really proud of them, and I try and
Speaker 1: check in on him every so often, and checking on
Speaker 1: others who I've issued pardons to or clemency's too, just
Speaker 1: to see how they're doing.
Speaker 3: Help me too. Yeah, yeah, but he didn't want to
Speaker 3: be on the helicopter. He didn't want to do no
Speaker 3: photo ops or anything.
Speaker 1: He's like, Nope, no, because that's not what it's about.
Speaker 1: This isn't about me being able to stand next to
Speaker 1: Meek or Wallow and you know some press thing. This
Speaker 1: is about knowing that they did the hard work to
Speaker 1: get their lives back together. And I've got this unique
Speaker 1: power for this moment in time as governor where I
Speaker 1: can give them some extra help. But with that comes
Speaker 1: a responsibility and they've got to own up to their
Speaker 1: end of the bargain. And they are.
Speaker 5: The way you are is how the spirit of so
Speaker 5: many other people in government should be. Like just the
Speaker 5: spirit I get from you in this conversation, like you
Speaker 5: absolutely there's a genuine care for people to end up well.
Speaker 5: I agree, and that you don't feel that all the time.
Speaker 3: Hopefully, Thank you. I hope we've got free and fair
Speaker 3: elections in twenty twenty eight. Now you can be in
Speaker 3: the mix.
Speaker 5: They hope they get it right.
Speaker 1: We're going to work to make sure we got free
Speaker 1: and fair elections.
Speaker 4: His governant, jos Shapperio. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys always, and we'll see we're out. We're out.
Speaker 4: We'll see you in another week to too.
Speaker 1: I look forward to Thank you, Philly. Is that we're
Speaker 1: just gonna leave it there. Listen, you want to do this,
Speaker 1: we can do this, Okay. I think you guys are
Speaker 1: exciting Jackson Dart is seemingly pretty good. Scataboo is pretty
Speaker 1: pretty good. You lost you lost U neighbor, Milik neighbors unfortunately. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you cannot over a long season hang with the Eagles.
Speaker 1: You just can't. You just can't. I can pray, you
Speaker 1: can pray all you want, but you ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do it over a long season. But they
Speaker 1: are a team now seemingly on the upswing, which I
Speaker 1: think is uh is a good thing. And and look,
Speaker 1: the Birds have stumbled a little bit over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but we'll get it back together, all right.
Speaker 1: Championship team right there.
Speaker 4: Governor Josh Appio is the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake
Speaker 4: that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 3: The Breakfast three