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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club morning, everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got

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Speaker 2: a special guest in the building.

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Speaker 3: That's right, I call him Barack Obama, bar Obama, lail

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Speaker 3: me God.

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Speaker 2: Right in front of them, we have the governor of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: Governor Josh.

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Speaker 1: Is that sa Quon's old helmet because you know he's

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Speaker 1: over on the birds.

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Speaker 3: Now you know what is it's signed by s. Let

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Speaker 3: me put it the fact that you recognize you for.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy the morning. How you feeling, Hey, I'm feeling great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back. It's good to be with you, guys.

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Speaker 4: Seeing you again.

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Speaker 3: You asked me how my family was before the interview.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you how your family is now

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Speaker 3: because I saw this week that code balmer who was

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Speaker 3: accused of an arson attack on your house. He played

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Speaker 3: guilty and will send us to twenty five to fifty years.

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Speaker 3: How does that make you know you in the family field?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I'll be honest, it's been hard

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Speaker 1: dealing with this as a governor, right knowing that you're

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Speaker 1: a target, knowing that in this world of politics we're

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Speaker 1: in today. You got people who want to do you harm.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure we'll talk about political violence. We're seeing

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Speaker 1: way too much of that across the country. But the

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Speaker 1: hardest part of this whole thing for me has been

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Speaker 1: knowing that the job I love, right being governor of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: serving the good people of Pennsylvania, put my family's lives

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Speaker 1: at risk. I mean, this guy, Charlman, he came in

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Speaker 1: with miletov cocktails, he fire bombed our home.

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Speaker 3: How did he get so close?

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Speaker 4: How did he get in?

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Speaker 1: But I just want to be clear. He was wielding

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Speaker 1: pled guilty to arson, he played guilty to attempted murder.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 1: And So I think the thing for me that I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just being really honest, that I'm working through is

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Speaker 1: to choose between their family safety and well being and

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Speaker 1: doing public service. That's a hard thing for me to

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Speaker 1: work through, just as a dad, you know, beyond being

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Speaker 1: a governor but look, I mean to your point or

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Speaker 1: to your question. So you know, there were tremendous failures

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Speaker 1: The home, which really hadn't been this was the governor's residence,

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Speaker 1: really hadn't had any kind of overhaul from a security

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Speaker 1: safe there now. I do feel safe when I'm going around.

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Speaker 1: I worry about my family obviously all the time. But

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Speaker 1: it was a failure and they learned from it, and

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Speaker 1: I've got confidence that they're going to do better. If

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Speaker 1: God forbid, something like that, you know, happens another time.

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Speaker 3: You got to tell me how you have that kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel safe?

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Speaker 3: Because how do you know? It wasn't an inside job?

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Speaker 3: How do you know? You know? You don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't know whocause they got pretty close. It wasn't

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Speaker 5: He caund doors in your house, which wasn't successful to

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Speaker 5: get through those doors, and it was fifteen people in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, there were about twenty. We had me and

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Speaker 1: my family. There's six of us, Yeah, our two dogs,

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Speaker 1: so my nieces and nephews. Yeah, it was scary. I mean,

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Speaker 1: things that they have done. They're going to make what

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Speaker 1: We really didn't have something like that. There's now a

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into it here. That that is,

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Speaker 1: just being able to go outside and catch with my kids.

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Speaker 1: You can't live in fear, and that is kind of

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Speaker 3: Well, you don't believe that building a wall is a

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Speaker 1: I've always been for securing our border. If that's where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, as you know.

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Speaker 4: So what startled him? That was my question. Because he

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video, but he

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Speaker 1: That's where we all were, So he was a door

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Speaker 3: And I saw you say that you had an enormous

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Speaker 3: know earlier about being a public servant, being in governor,

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Speaker 3: but it's still being a father. Is it worth it?

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Speaker 1: I think it is, Charlemagne, And I mean that's a

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Speaker 1: tough question. You're asking me, right, Is it worth putting

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Speaker 1: I really feel like I get to make a difference

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Speaker 1: I think we are making a difference, and so I

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Speaker 1: You can't walk away now with everything that's on the line,

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Speaker 1: And now it's not the time to walk away. So

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Speaker 1: I am mentally strong and prepared to continue on with

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's worth it. It's worth it to put

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Speaker 5: How well you say that the conversations with your kids

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Speaker 5: have been hard, right because of all of this? Have

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Speaker 5: After everything?

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Speaker 1: I want to be respectful to my kids privacy. But

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Speaker 1: We're blessed with four kids twenty three twenty sixteen fourteen.

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Speaker 1: What was really interesting to Laurie and I and twenty

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Speaker 1: They each asked different kinds of questions, and they asked

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Speaker 1: were concerned about my well being. Sometimes they were understandably

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Speaker 3: Did he do that?

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Speaker 1: What was he doing? What does the video look like?

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Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that. And I remember early on

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Speaker 1: I remember my wife said to me, are we doing this?

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Speaker 1: something they want like that annoys kids, rightfully so, but overall,

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Speaker 1: the idea that I would quit this job because I'm afraid,

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Speaker 1: I think that would set the wrong example for my kids.

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Speaker 1: I want my kids to grow up strong and confident.

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Speaker 1: And I can be deterred by bullies, They're not going

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Speaker 1: to be deterred by people who want to come after them. Instead,

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Speaker 1: they're going to stand up to that. I want to

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Speaker 3: That would be a tough conversation if your wife and

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Speaker 3: but we want you to step down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, you know, when we talk about politics, every decision

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Speaker 1: always been kind of like, you know, one percent political

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Speaker 1: sure go through every para cose through that, but you

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Speaker 1: also have to be you got to have your family

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Speaker 3: I would go tell them it's gonna be way less

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk about some of the things

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of less focused on who's to blame and

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Speaker 5: Is that why in Pennsylvania right now there's such a

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Speaker 1: Look, the Feds make this way harder, right, And you

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Speaker 1: know I got I'm a governor with a divided legislature.

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Speaker 3: The thing I like about you, Governor Shapiro, is that

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Speaker 1: First, that's my job, man. I took an oath of

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Speaker 1: I don't want to in any way have that answer

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Speaker 1: I've got a great relationship with my fellow governors. We've

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask about, you know what, the government

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Speaker 4: People are going to be fired, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: They're working with people to get So how difficult is

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Speaker 4: Like, so what do you say?

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Speaker 1: You know, largest employer in Pennsylvania is the federal government.

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Speaker 1: that has a real negative impact to the point you're making.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are folks who still need to go

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Speaker 1: to the grocery store, they still need to pay for

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Speaker 1: their kids' childcare, they still need to get their kid

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Speaker 1: the baseball bat they need for littally whatever, and they're not.

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Speaker 1: I think what's different about this shutdown than past. In

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Speaker 1: the past, they were kind of guaranteed they were going

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Speaker 1: to get their money back at the end of it,

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Speaker 1: and so it sucks, but they probably thought, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: can get through a week or two or three, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get all that money back. The way

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is doing things, the way these people around

447
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Speaker 1: them are doing things, I don't think they know they're

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Speaker 1: going to get their money back. And so it's not

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Speaker 1: just about kind of floating through three weeks, right, maybe

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Speaker 1: dip in the savings, put the money back at extent

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Speaker 1: that you have the savings. This is really serious stuff

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Speaker 1: because they don't know that they're going to get that

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Speaker 1: back pay. I think the way Trump has treated the

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Speaker 1: federal work for us, it's just so disrespectful from a

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Speaker 1: human standpoint. In fact, he's laid off a ton of

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Speaker 1: federal workers. We've hired them in the state. They got

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Speaker 1: great skills, great expertise, and they want to do good

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Speaker 1: by their you know, their fellow Americans, and so we've

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Speaker 1: hired them and they're doing really important work. For us.

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Speaker 1: I think you got to treat people with respect when

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Speaker 1: they're doing these jobs, and clearly the president isn't.

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Speaker 3: Now I read a. Kamala Harris's book one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seven Days Just Switching gave a little bit sure, and

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Speaker 3: I saw your comments on her book. And for those

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Speaker 3: who don't know the form of VP, wrote that Governor

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Speaker 3: Shapiro seemed overly ambitious because you were, you know, up

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Speaker 3: with a VP role. She said, you seemed overly ambitious,

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Speaker 3: and you pushed for two large a role for a

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Speaker 3: vice president and seemed unwilling to accept a number two position.

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Speaker 3: How did you feel when you heard that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I haven't read her book. I'm busy

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Speaker 1: every day, frankly, dealing with the effects of the fact

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Speaker 1: that we lost the twenty twenty four election, dealing with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump wanting to send troops into our street, dealing

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, by the way, just a week or

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Speaker 1: two ago, demanding that I turn over the entire voter roles,

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Speaker 1: including Pennsylvane's social Security number, driver's license, some of all

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Speaker 1: this stuff. I don't know what the hell he wants

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Speaker 1: that for, but I know it's not for any good purpose,

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Speaker 1: and he sued me when I wouldn't turn it over.

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Speaker 1: I'm dealing with the real effects of governing in the world,

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Speaker 1: you know, after Donald Trump won the election. So haven't

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Speaker 1: read the book having really focused on it.

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Speaker 3: But even what's wrong with the vice president being overly ambitious?

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Speaker 3: If you're the number two to the number one, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: shouldn't you be ready to be number one?

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a question for her. She clearly thought it.

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Speaker 3: And you also criticized her, which I thought was fair,

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Speaker 3: for not speaking out publicly earlier about concerns over President

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Speaker 3: Biden's fitness to run in twenty twenty four. To me,

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Speaker 3: that's not just the criticism for the VP as a

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Speaker 3: criticism for a whole democratic point.

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Speaker 1: You and I have talked about that issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to get into it with the

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Speaker 1: former vice president, but I mean, if you're in the room,

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Speaker 1: you're seeing things nobody else is seeing, you had a

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Speaker 1: responsibility to speak up, and she didn't.

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Speaker 4: Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Hold on, I think about it and we can move on.

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Speaker 3: But the book the book also mentioned because you didn't

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Speaker 3: read it, but it mentioned that some of your comments

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Speaker 3: on pro Palestinian protests were flagged by her campaign, but

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Speaker 3: that wasn't a deciding factor, do you think.

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Speaker 1: Look, I wasn't in her head. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: she was thinking. I'll just say to you, I think

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Speaker 1: I said this to you before, just to keep it real, man,

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Speaker 1: when I was going through that process. First off, it's

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Speaker 1: an honor to go through that process. I said throughout

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Speaker 1: it that she had a deeply personal decision to make.

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Speaker 1: In the end, Charlemagne, so did I and I love

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Speaker 1: being governor of Pennsylvania and calling the shots.

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Speaker 2: Now, it seems like you two don't rock with each

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Speaker 2: other too much, right And from the comments that Charlemagne

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Speaker 2: said in the book and things that you said.

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Speaker 3: About who a couple of hors, no, I don't get that.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Shit and I have done each

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Speaker 1: other twenty years. I mean, we've worked together for a

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it's a united front, right, But

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Speaker 2: sometimes you look at Republicans per se, it seems like

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Speaker 2: it's more of affront.

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Speaker 4: It just seems like that front wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so envy. I worked my butt off

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Speaker 1: to help her get elected. I mean I did every

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Speaker 1: I traveled with Gretchen Whitmer and Tony Evers to all

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Speaker 1: three swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. I did dozens of events. Hell,

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Speaker 1: I even cutting add for I don't think her campaign

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Speaker 1: ever ran it, but cuttingand for her in Pennsylvania where

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Speaker 1: you know I'm doing okay there. So yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: no ill will and I don't think she does toward me.

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Speaker 5: What about because I know you had a conversation with

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Speaker 5: Biden one on one where you told him that you

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Speaker 5: didn't think that he was like fit to run, right,

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Speaker 5: you had conversations with the VP leading up to her

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Speaker 5: announcing and all the things. Did you ever say to

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Speaker 5: her you should say something now like people are relying

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Speaker 5: on you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I never had a conversation with her. I went

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Speaker 1: directly to the President and spoke to him about what

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Speaker 1: I saw were, you know, his challenges in Pennsylvania. I

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Speaker 1: was really honest with him. We got together at a

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Speaker 1: coffee shop in Harrisburg. I think there's been reported. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll just share with you. He said, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: I was very clear, it's not going well. The polls

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Speaker 1: are showing it's not going well. I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: handling the cost question back to what we talked about

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Speaker 1: before with rising costs. It was a big theme in

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Speaker 1: the campaign, big issue in Pennsylvania. I didn't think they

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Speaker 1: were handling that well. I expressed that I thought people

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Speaker 1: thought he wasn't up to the job, not so much

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Speaker 1: the job doing it at that moment, but the job

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Speaker 1: doing it for another four years, which I think there's

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Speaker 1: a real difference there. And I was very honest with

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Speaker 1: him about that. Look, I'm maybe it's old school, but

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Speaker 1: I believe that if you got something to say, you

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Speaker 1: say it directly that person's face. And these President of

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Speaker 1: the United States. I respected him, still respect him, and

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Speaker 1: I respect him enough to say it directly to his face.

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Speaker 3: I was received.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he heard it. He told me that

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Speaker 1: their poll numbers were different, and he seemed committed to

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Speaker 1: continuing forward and listen, that's his call, of course, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the President of the United States, and so to me,

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Speaker 1: I thought I had a responsibility, as the governor from

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Speaker 1: arguably the most important swing state in the entire country,

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Speaker 1: to be very honest about what I was seeing on

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Speaker 1: the ground, and to be very honest about the fact

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Speaker 1: that I saw real challenges for him to get or

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Speaker 1: for him to win Pennsylvania. And I was also really

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Speaker 1: honest with him that I had shared a lot of

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Speaker 1: this with his team, and I didn't think that they

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Speaker 1: were being direct with him, And so I felt the

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Speaker 1: need to take what is, you know, a fairly extraordinary

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Speaker 1: step and go directly to the president and say this.

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Speaker 3: You can't, you should. That stuff should be amplified. Like

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Speaker 3: I knew that story, right. But the reason I say

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Speaker 3: that stuff should be amplified it because that's what's going

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Speaker 3: to help you in the future if you do decide

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Speaker 3: to run for president. Because I keep telling folks like, look, man,

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Speaker 3: anybody that wants to lead his party in the future

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Speaker 3: has to throw that old regime under the and it

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Speaker 3: has to be people that told that old regime the

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Speaker 3: truth about where they were at. It wasn't a lot

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Speaker 3: of y'all that did that.

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Speaker 1: Can I disagree with you slightly on this. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that you get ahead in life by throwing people

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Speaker 1: under the bus. I don't believe that I got to

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Speaker 1: kick somebody in order to get ahead. I think you

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Speaker 1: got to show your work. I think you got to

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Speaker 1: show a vision. I think you got to tell people

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Speaker 1: what you're all about, and That's how you know you

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Speaker 1: can be successful as a governor, as senator, whatever it

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Speaker 1: is that you do. I made my point clear to

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Speaker 1: the president and the former president, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad I did that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how about being known as a truth teller and

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Speaker 3: a party that lied to the whole country?

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Speaker 1: I think speaking truth is really important.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did that.

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Speaker 1: I think people believing that even if they disagree with

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Speaker 1: you on an issue, or they disagree with your viewpoint

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Speaker 1: on something, at least they walk away knowing, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what, that guy was straight with me. I mean, hell,

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Speaker 1: I think we started the conversation. I was at a

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Speaker 1: farm in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania yesterday. This is not an

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Speaker 1: area that Democrats go to. And I was there talking

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Speaker 1: for real about tariffs and other things, and I kind

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Speaker 1: of made a joke. I said, look, I know where

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Speaker 1: I am. I know I'm in Lebanon County. I know

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Speaker 1: this isn't exactly, you know, an area where I'm getting

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Speaker 1: a majority of the vote or however I said it.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to be here today and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be clear with you about what I think, how

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Speaker 1: I feel, and how I see things. I think what

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Speaker 1: the American people really want. Certainly people of Pennsylvania want

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Speaker 1: again swingy estate in the whole country, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good indicator of where others are. They just

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Speaker 1: want to be real, they want to be authentic, and

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Speaker 1: they don't need to agree with you on everything like

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Speaker 1: this isn't about everybody agreeing on a purity test. They

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Speaker 1: want to know what's in your heart. They want to

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Speaker 1: know what motivates you to serve, and they want to

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Speaker 1: know what you really think.

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Speaker 4: Were you surprised when when Trump won Pennsylvania?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I saw when Biden dropped out, he

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Speaker 1: had been consistently down and by the way I shared

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Speaker 1: this with the former president, he'd been consistently down five

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Speaker 1: six seven points. When the vice president jumped in, you

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Speaker 1: saw the numbers close, but they never She never overtook him,

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Speaker 1: and any of the data that we saw, and look,

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Speaker 1: I think beyond the data, I got a pretty good

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Speaker 1: feel for my state and in my state, you know,

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Speaker 1: you get a sense of sort of where different areas

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Speaker 1: are going and how they're moving, and she just never

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Speaker 1: was able to close that gap. Now, look, if she

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Speaker 1: would have one Pennsylvania by fifty thousand votes. Would I

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Speaker 1: have been shocked?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: But you asked me, was I surprised or shocked that

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Speaker 1: he won? No? Because basically by the end, when we

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Speaker 1: were in that final couple weeks, you know, she's kind

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Speaker 1: of minus one, even minus two, something like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't that she had overcome where he was.

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Speaker 5: If she had separated herself more from Biden, do you

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Speaker 5: think she could have won the state? What do you

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Speaker 5: think was the reason why she didn't?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, what's the title the

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Speaker 1: book one hundred and I mean she didn't. She didn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of time, right and fairness to her.

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Speaker 1: But it kind of goes back to what I was

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Speaker 1: just saying a moment ago. People want to know who

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Speaker 1: you are. They want genuineness, they want authenticity, they want

655
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Speaker 1: to feel like they know who you are. And you

656
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Speaker 1: know clearly that that was not accomplished.

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Speaker 3: How much credit do you think President Trump should get

658
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Speaker 3: for the Israel and Gaza?

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Speaker 1: He deserves credit. I gave him credit. I gave him

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Speaker 1: credit for getting the hostages home. I think what I

661
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Speaker 1: also said is he's got a hell of a lot

662
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Speaker 1: of work to do on what I think is being

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Speaker 1: called Phase two, and Phase two is arguably the most

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Speaker 1: important piece of this. Now that the hostages are home

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Speaker 1: and the war has stopped, the violence has stopped, you

666
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Speaker 1: got to feed these folks in Gaza. You got to

667
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Speaker 1: make sure that they get the humanitarian aid that they

668
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Speaker 1: so desperately need. And you've got to get these other

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Speaker 1: Arab nations to actually pony up and begin to rebuild

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Speaker 1: those neighborhoos, rebuild that area. At the same time, Hamas

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Speaker 1: has to be disarmed. They cannot continue to be in power.

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Speaker 1: Look at what they've been doing just over the last

673
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours. They're murdering they're fellow citizens there because

674
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Speaker 1: they don't like that they're supporting a rival political party

675
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Speaker 1: or they believe that they collaborated with the Israelis. So

676
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Speaker 1: you cannot allow Hamas to remain in power. And you've

677
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Speaker 1: got to get aid in there, and you've got to

678
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Speaker 1: get the rebuilding process started. So yeah, I get President

679
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Speaker 1: Trump credit for what he did. By the same token,

680
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Speaker 1: he's got a hell of a lot more work to do,

681
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Speaker 1: and I hope he sees this through.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who feel like the deal

683
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: isn't complete though, because of a lot of the dead bodies, haven't.

684
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Speaker 3: They're still digging a dead bat of yeah, retireing, and

685
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Speaker 3: you know when it comes when you're dead hostage. When

686
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Speaker 3: you say peace like Hamas doesn't believe in is right,

687
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Speaker 3: they exist. The current Israeli government doesn't believe in a

688
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Speaker 3: two state solutions, So how are they ever going to

689
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Speaker 3: be peace?

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Speaker 1: Look, I'll just tell you my views on this, And

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Speaker 1: again you asked me about the president before. I was

692
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Speaker 1: trying to give you an honest answer on that. We

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Speaker 1: got to figure out how to get to phase two.

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Speaker 1: We got to disarm Hamas, get them out of power,

695
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Speaker 1: and invest in Godsen. Now what does a future look like?

696
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Speaker 1: And this is where I just have profound differences from Natanyahu,

697
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Speaker 1: and I've been really outspoken about this even prior to

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Speaker 1: October seventh. The only way you're going to have peace

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Speaker 1: and stability in the region for a long time is

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Speaker 1: if you're a kid growing up in the Palestinian areas

701
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Speaker 1: and you believe you've got a future. You got a

702
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Speaker 1: future because of the job you want, because the education

703
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: you're getting, you know, whatever name is. By the way,

704
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Speaker 1: the way our kids feel like they've got a future

705
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Speaker 1: here in this country. When people have hope and they

706
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Speaker 1: believe that they can have a brighter future, they don't

707
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Speaker 1: turn to terrorism, they don't turn to hate. Instead, they

708
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Speaker 1: focus on loving and they focus on how to create

709
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Speaker 1: a better future for themselves and their families. So to me,

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Speaker 1: if you can stabilize the region, get Hamas out of power,

711
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Speaker 1: the our world, come together and invest, then you have

712
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Speaker 1: to go onto the next phase of the conversation, which

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Speaker 1: is a two state solution, something I have supported for

714
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Speaker 1: quite some time. Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist.

715
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Speaker 1: That's why they cannot be empower. Their whole charter calls

716
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Speaker 1: for the destruction of Israel and destruction the killing of

717
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Speaker 1: Jews and on the same tongue and hamasaid terrorist group.

718
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Speaker 1: Natanyahu on the other side, the leader of Israel doesn't

719
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Speaker 1: believe in a two state solution, so he can't. He

720
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Speaker 1: either can't be empower right if you're going to get

721
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Speaker 1: to a two state solution, or the President needs to

722
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Speaker 1: get him to change his views on that issue. Look,

723
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Speaker 1: I'm not naive you're not going to get to a

724
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Speaker 1: two state solution in the next few months or probably

725
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Speaker 1: even year, But we've got to get on a path

726
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Speaker 1: where Palestinians can live their lives with dignity, where Israelis

727
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Speaker 1: can live their lives with dignity and safety, and where

728
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Speaker 1: everybody in the region feels like they have an opportunity

729
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Speaker 1: for success and prosperity and promise in the future.

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Speaker 3: I feel agree with you about him, Maaz. I feel

731
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Speaker 3: like Natanyahu should be removed from power to it. And

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Speaker 3: you you've called him one of the worst leaders I

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Speaker 3: have of all time. And you, you know, defend Israel

734
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Speaker 3: clearly because you do it right.

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Speaker 1: No, not because I'm just because I think, first off,

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Speaker 1: I love Israel. I think it is a wonderful country

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Speaker 1: with a rich heritage. I think it is an incredible

738
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Speaker 1: melting pot of people, Jewish and non Jewish. I also

739
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Speaker 1: think it is vitally important to our national security. It

740
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Speaker 1: is important to having stability in the region. You look

741
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Speaker 1: around at these other Arab nations that have created relationships

742
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Speaker 1: with Israel where there's now commerce and other activities through

743
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Speaker 1: what's known as the Abraham Accords and in other agreements.

744
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Speaker 1: They view Israel as critical for their future and vice versa.

745
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Speaker 1: So I think for all those reasons, I support it.

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Speaker 1: I don't like Nita Yah who, I don't think that

747
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Speaker 1: he's led Israel down a good path. I think he's

748
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Speaker 1: been a destructive leader. I don't get a vote there,

749
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Speaker 1: but I sure as heck hope that as we go

750
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Speaker 1: forward here, either the President gets him to change his

751
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Speaker 1: views or the Israelis make a different choice and in

752
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Speaker 1: their election that's their right to pick, not mine. But

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Speaker 1: I think this is not just important because I'm a

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Speaker 1: proud American Jew. This is important I think for America's

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Speaker 1: you know, national security interests.

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Speaker 3: Where is the line between criticizing Israeli policy and endorsing

757
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Speaker 3: actions you believe cross moral or even legal boundaries?

758
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Speaker 1: Explain what you're asking me.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like with net and Yahoo right, like

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Speaker 3: you know, you say he's one of the worst leaders

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Speaker 3: of all time. Clearly he's some people have said he's

762
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Speaker 3: crossed a lot of moral and legal boundaries. So where

763
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Speaker 3: is the line between you know, criticizing him, but in

764
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Speaker 3: I guess, in endorsing yeah actions, Because if.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of understanding, do you love this country absolutely yeah?

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Speaker 1: And do you think Donald Trump does a lot of

767
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Speaker 1: mass up ship?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah?

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Speaker 1: That's the line. I mean, I think I think we

770
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Speaker 1: are obviously free in this country and freedom in Israel.

771
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Speaker 1: To be able to criticize leaders, to be able to say,

772
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Speaker 1: I disagree with this policy, I don't like the way

773
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Speaker 1: you did this, I don't like the way you prosecuted

774
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: the war. Whatever the case is. That's fair game, by

775
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Speaker 1: the way, and it's fair game here in America to

776
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Speaker 1: be able to call that out if you disagree. Now,

777
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: when some people use that as a way to promote

778
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Speaker 1: anti Semitism and bigotry and hatred and Islamophobia, that's not okay.

779
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: So I think criticizing policy, criticizing leaders fair game. When

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Speaker 1: you use that as an excuse to, you know, to

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00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: criticize someone because of their faith or how they look

782
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Speaker 1: or the way they're raising their kids, I think that

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Speaker 1: crosses the line.

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Speaker 3: I agree. Let's stay here for a second. Right, Because

785
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Speaker 3: I said Israeli policy, I probably say Net and Yahoo policy, right,

786
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: all right? Or when you say America, do you say

787
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Speaker 3: Trump policy?

788
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Right?

789
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: Right? But those are the leaders at the time, So

790
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: should we generalize Should they reflect the whole country? No?

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Speaker 1: I think it should reflect the leaders who are in power. Yeah, yeah,

792
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm critical of President Trump and I love

793
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Speaker 1: this country. I mean, I serve this country. I believe

794
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: in the values of this country. I believe that we're

795
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: working progress and that we're always perfecting our union. I

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: believe that we're a country that in every chapter of

797
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: our American story, we grow stronger, we grow more tolerant,

798
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Speaker 1: we grow more just. And I also believe in this

799
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Speaker 1: American story that we have chapters where we take two

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00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: steps forward and one step back. And right now we're

801
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Speaker 1: in the midst of taking a step back. Maybe you

802
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: could even argue two or three, or four or five

803
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: steps back. It doesn't make me love this country any less.

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Speaker 1: It actually makes me want to fight even harder to

805
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: strengthen what I believe is the best of this nation.

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Speaker 3: And only reason I'm asking these questions is because you know,

807
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: a lot of people feel like APAC and pro Israel

808
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Speaker 3: lobbyists have a lot of influence on elected officials here

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Speaker 3: in America. Why do they have so much influence?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean, I don't really

811
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Speaker 1: deal with a pack. They're more dealing at the federal level.

812
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: And look, I think you can broaden that out and

813
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: say every lobbying group has too much power. And I

814
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: think we all can agree there's way too much money

815
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Speaker 1: in politics, and oftentimes that money brings with it under influence.

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Speaker 1: My focus every day is trying to get out and

817
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Speaker 1: be with regular folk and hear what's on their minds,

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Speaker 1: and talk to parents about what they're worried about for

819
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Speaker 1: their kids' future, and you know, sort of trying and

820
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Speaker 1: get out of that echo chamber that oftentimes surround you

821
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Speaker 1: when you're in the Capitol or when you're just in

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Speaker 1: those circles and talk to real people every day. I

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Speaker 1: think that's how I've been able to kind of keep

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Speaker 1: my feel for where things are. I think it's why

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Speaker 1: we're doing so well in Pennsylvania is you focus on

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Speaker 1: regular people, not just the inside voices.

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Speaker 3: Because I read an article in the New York Times

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Speaker 3: about Democrats pulling away from APEC, so clearly it's having

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Speaker 3: some impact on them politically if they feel like they

830
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Speaker 3: got to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's become a political issue. You've

832
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Speaker 1: used it as a political issue. You've questioned federal representatives

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Speaker 1: when they're on here on that. I mean, I think

834
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Speaker 1: if I can say this to you, you know, not

835
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Speaker 1: trying to offend you here, but I think it's a

836
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Speaker 1: little bit of a shortcut and a little bit of

837
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Speaker 1: a lazy question. I think the better question is how

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Speaker 1: do you really feel about Israel? How you feel about

839
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Speaker 1: a two state solution, how do you feel about the war,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about you know, the hostages or

841
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Speaker 1: hungry kids, or what have you. I think demanding answers

842
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Speaker 1: on those questions is more important than Hey, what about

843
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: this lobbying group or that lobbying group.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do you say to the critics who argue

845
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Speaker 3: that US foreign policy on Israel is often shaped not

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Speaker 3: by a national interest, well by the lobbying screenp of these.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair conversation to have, and I

848
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Speaker 1: think it should be on any elected official at the

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Speaker 1: federal level to say, hey, I'm listening to this group, right,

850
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Speaker 1: but by the way, there's groups on other sides too.

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to that group. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, we want our federal representatives to be able

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Speaker 1: to sit here in the chair and answer the questions

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Speaker 1: about why they voted A, or why they voted B,

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Speaker 1: or why they feel a certain way. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's just a little lazy to say, oh, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be because of that interest group. Maybe someone actually

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Speaker 1: believes those views, maybe someone feels strongly about that particular way.

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Speaker 3: How do you push back on the lobbyists who have

860
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Speaker 3: so much influence.

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Speaker 1: I kind of do it the way I do it,

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Speaker 1: which is in my state, I focus on the needs

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Speaker 1: of the people. I focus on what I hear from folks.

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Speaker 1: You know. I kind of have an informal rule that

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Speaker 1: I work about seven days a week. I try and

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Speaker 1: only be in my physical office in the capital about

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Speaker 1: three days a week, and so I'm physically out and

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Speaker 1: about listening to folks. I was on that farm in

869
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Speaker 1: Lebanon County yesterday. Tomorrow morning, I'll be in Erie, Pennsylvania.

870
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I think the more I am out and not in

871
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: scripted moments, but actually just talking to real folk, hearing

872
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: what's on their minds, that allows me to keep fighting

873
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: for them. I'll tell you something else I do. You're

874
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: gonna laugh. But I spend a lot of time in

875
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvanian Turnpike going different places. I will make a

876
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: point to have the guys stop at a rest stop,

877
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: even if I don't really need anything, just to wander

878
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: through and chat with folks and see what's on their mind.

879
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: Like I am always trying to find those moments where

880
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: I can have the unscripted dialogue when I'm at my

881
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: kids baseball game on the you know, on the sideline

882
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: or at one of their games, you know, rather than

883
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: just let people kind of come over to you and say, oh, hey,

884
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: you know Gov, it's nice to meet her, whatever, Can

885
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: you take a selfie? It's hey, tell me what's on

886
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: your mind? What's going on? Like, I'm happy to do

887
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: the selfie with you, But but it changed that I

888
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: want to know what you're thinking about I am. I

889
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: am always craving those moments where I can have those conversations.

890
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: And when I can have those conversations, then quite frankly,

891
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: the powerful folks in the fancy suits that wander around

892
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: the Capitol become less important to how you form your

893
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: views on things.

894
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I loved that because you're out there

895
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: connecting with people. That that's that shows real power to

896
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: the people. To your point, folks in DC is connecting

897
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: with the lobbyists, so they're given the power to the lobbyist.

898
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's just a psychological thing, like yo,

899
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: step out of DC, step out of that bubble and

900
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: go show and I'm not.

901
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful the people that

902
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: serve in Congress. I'm sure a lot of them do

903
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: what I do and and do a great job representing

904
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: their their communities. I'm just telling you how I do it.

905
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: Now, you eliminated for you to requirements for most state

906
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: jobs I did. Why was that important? And does that

907
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: kind of tell a young student I don't have to

908
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: get my degree anymore?

909
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems college is getting less and less and

910
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: less important.

911
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, look, this is something I'm super passionate about. And

912
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: what you didn't mention the question. It was literally the

913
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: first thing I did as governor. So as soon as

914
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: I got the power as governor and got the pen,

915
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: I signed in executive order doing away with the college

916
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: requirement to work for state government. And by the way,

917
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: it's basically every job other than the doctors and the

918
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: nurses and you know people that we require to have

919
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: those those advanced degrees. That opened up nearly seventy thousand

920
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: jobs to people without a college degree, And sixty one

921
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: percent of the people we've hired over the last two

922
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: and a half years i've been governor do not have

923
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: a college degree. And We didn't stop there. We went

924
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: and tripled funding in our state budget for more votech

925
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: They got a fancy word for it now, they call

926
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: it CTE and our high schools and funding for more

927
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: apprenticeship programs and pre apprenticeship programs. So now what we're

928
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: saying to folks is, you're in the ninth grade, you're

929
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: in the tenth grade. We want to help prepare you

930
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: for your future. You want to go work on a farm,

931
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: you can get CTE training in dairy herd management. You

932
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: want to be a welder and work on a big

933
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: construction project, because God knows we need a whole lot

934
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: more of that in this country. We'll show you in tenth, eleven,

935
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: twelfth grade how to do it, and then we'll have

936
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: a pipeline right into an apprenticeship program that the state

937
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: is helping fund, and then you'll be out in a job,

938
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: by the way, making over one hundred thousand dollars a year.

939
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: We want people to see avenues to success and opportunity,

940
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: where they choose to go to college, they choose to

941
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: go to the military, they choose to go into the

942
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: workforce in a union hall, whatever. And the most important

943
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: thing here in view is I want to treat all

944
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: of those pathways with respect. And you treat those pathways

945
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: with respect by how you speak about them. But also

946
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: your budgets show your values, and so we are investing

947
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: in those things. And as a result, I've got thirty

948
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: five thousand new Pennsylvanians who are going through an apprenticeship.

949
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I got young people who are now getting jobs that

950
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: they never knew existed because they were exposed to it

951
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: in high school. When we did away with the college

952
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: degear requirement for our state police, we saw two hundred

953
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: and forty percent increase in the number of applications to

954
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: be a state trooper, and by the way, far more

955
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: diverse applications than we've ever had before. If you look

956
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: at this from the standpoint of right or wrong, man,

957
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: I know we're doing what's right to give more people opportunity.

958
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: I think you know every single Americans have the freedom

959
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: to chart their own course, the opportunity to succeed. But

960
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: you want to come back to politics. We've talked a

961
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 1: lot about politics today. Do you know how freaking dumb

962
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: it is to not do this politically? Let me explain.

963
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: Sixty two percent of Pennsylvania adults don't have a college degree.

964
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: So you think about where our party has been over

965
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Everything's been about get a college.

966
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: You're you can do this, yout college are gonna do that.

967
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not dissing on college, right,

968
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: I went to college. But if you talk like that,

969
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: you are now saying to sixty two percent of people,

970
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: we disrespect you. And what you're really doing is you're

971
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: developing plans only for thirty eight percent of folks. We

972
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: last I checked, you need fifty percent plus one to

973
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: win elections. And so to me, it was dumb politically,

974
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: but it was also just wrong to treat people with

975
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: a lack of respect if they chose to go work

976
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: at a construction site or work on a farm, or

977
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: decide to take the skills they have and not go

978
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: to college but go directly in the workforce or go

979
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: to the military. We have changed that in Pennsylvania, not

980
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: just with that executive order, but with all of the

981
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: funding decisions we've made from there to give more people

982
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity.

983
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: That's crazy, because those are people that really make the

984
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: world go around. Yeah, people that are on those construction site. Yeah,

985
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: people that are in the trade industry. Yeah, those people

986
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: that really make the world go around. Let me let me.

987
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: Put an exclamation point on that. They are the ones

988
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: who make the world gorount. America used to have an

989
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: amazing history of shipbuilding, right. Building is big ships for

990
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: the Navy and stuff like that. Do you know We've

991
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 1: got the oldest shipyard in America in Philadelphia. It's actually

992
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: where the US Navy began. We just celebrated the two

993
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Navy and the Marines

994
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: as well. This shipyard currently produces one and a half

995
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: of these massive ships a year. They build one and

996
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: a half ships a year. We just worked out a

997
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: deal with the Korean government and a company called Hanwa

998
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: where at that site they're going to now make eleven

999
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: or twelve ships a year. By the way, in China

1000
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: they're making that each month. They're making more than that

1001
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: each month. So America's got a long way to go.

1002
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: Why am I bringing this up because to get to

1003
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: that eleven or twelve we don't have enough welders right

1004
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: now to be able to do that work. America stopped

1005
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: training the people that were building the stuff that we

1006
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: need for this country too many years ago, and we've

1007
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: got to get back to developing those talents so we

1008
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: can build these ships, we can build buildings, we can

1009
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: do big things again in America. And the way we

1010
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: do that is by having folks who have those skills,

1011
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: and we're investing in those skills in Pennsylvania.

1012
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 5: That's old you guys are doing with the PA Sites

1013
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 5: program to the thirty nine million. Yeah, yeah, that's why.

1014
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 5: So that will help with a lot of the jobs

1015
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 5: that you're talking about. There will be more jobs for

1016
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 5: those people who didn't be Yeah.

1017
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we put a half a billion dollars aside

1018
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: to take these old abandoned coal mines and these old

1019
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: industrial sites where nothing's been going on for forty or

1020
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: fifty years. I was just standing on one of those

1021
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: sites in Archbald, Pennsylvania, which is like near Scranton in

1022
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: northeastern Pennsylvania, and for a few tens of millions of dollars,

1023
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: we're going to turn that into a place that's going

1024
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: to thousands of construction jobs and over one thousand permanent jobs.

1025
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: When I was having CEOs come and say, hey, we

1026
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: want to come to Pennsylvania, show us the sites where

1027
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: we can build our box our building, like we don't

1028
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: have any now we have them. And so when you

1029
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: do that, you really turn this dirt into freedom and

1030
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: opportunity and you build these sites that are going to

1031
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: employ thousands of people. This is a big deal, especially

1032
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: in communities that have been hollowed out and left behind,

1033
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: primarily in rural parts of my state that have just

1034
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: been ignored for so long. And I think is really

1035
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: important that these people growing up in these communities see

1036
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: opportunity for their kids, and I'm working really hard to

1037
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: do that in this sites program. So developing these grounds

1038
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: for companies that want to come in and do business

1039
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: is a really critical part of that.

1040
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: It's got a few more questions for you. Thank you

1041
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: for your time, but sure, what's your message to people

1042
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: future voters in particular, who feel like every politician Democrat

1043
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: are Republican is bought.

1044
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Look at my record and focus on the three letters

1045
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: that I focus on every day, GSD, get shit done.

1046
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: That is my motto every day. Look, I can't please

1047
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: all the people all the time. I can't say that

1048
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: every single pennsylvani is going to have the same worldview

1049
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: I have agreed with me on every issue. But if

1050
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: I can put points on the board for them every day.

1051
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: If I can show them that their kid got help

1052
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: health care, that the building got built, that the job

1053
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: was available to them, like real things, that is what

1054
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: we need more of in government, where people see tangible results. Look,

1055
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why poll after poll

1056
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: after poll shows across this country people are down. They

1057
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: think we're heading in the wrong direction. They're pessimistic. I

1058
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: think in part it's because they view government is actually

1059
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: not solving problems anymore. One of the things I thought

1060
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: was amazing was after we fixed nine ninety five, Member

1061
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I ninety five collapsed and the experts said it was

1062
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: going to take months to rebuild. We got it rebuilt

1063
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: with the amazing Philadelphia building trades in just twelve days.

1064
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: The number of.

1065
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: People came over to me and said, man, I don't

1066
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: drive on nine ninety five, but that was amazing that

1067
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: government can still do something like that. I think people

1068
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: have grown so hopeless and so down, and so to

1069
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: me is someone who actually believes government can be a

1070
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: force for good in people's lives. If I can show

1071
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: my work, put points on the board, get shit done

1072
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: for them every day, even if they disagree with me

1073
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: on some issue here there, They're at least going to

1074
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: know I'm fighting for them, getting stuff done for them,

1075
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: and that is what I think we need more of

1076
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: in government.

1077
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: Is it possible for an elected official to get a

1078
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: million of dollars from you know, corporate donors or even

1079
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 3: lobbying interested and still really work for the people over

1080
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 3: those Yeah.

1081
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: Look, I mean you've asked me a few questions on that,

1082
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: and clearly I know you're bothered by that. I think

1083
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Speaker 1: we're all bothered by the amount of money in politics,

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00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: particularly the dark money that nobody kind of knows where

1085
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: it's coming from. But I think you know, largely the voters.

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Speaker 1: I'll just speak to Pennsylvania. They're smart, they know who's

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00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: on their side. They see it. I got voters who

1088
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: sometimes show up and vote for Republicans, sometimes vote for Democrats.

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00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: They get it. I think that dark money can pollute,

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00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: it sometimes can crowd out the voices sometimes, but overall,

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00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: I think voters are a lot smarter and they could

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Speaker 1: see through that when the.

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Speaker 3: Last time you told a donor no, even though it

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00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: costs you politically.

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00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: That's happened many times in my career, and I'm not

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00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: suggesting anything unethical or illegal, or the donor was trying

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00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: to do anything unethical or illegal. But yeah, I've had them,

1098
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes say to me, well, I would I

1099
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: believe in this and that and the other thing, And

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00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: I'll say, look, you know what, keep your money. I'm

1101
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: happy to be your friend, but I don't believe in that,

1102
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do that. And again, nothing

1103
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: wrong or unethical or illegal. But they've got a different

1104
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: view on things than I do. And frankly, I'm not

1105
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: interested in, you know, having their support if you know,

1106
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: we're going to look at things differently on those fronts.

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00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't have a problem with

1108
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: people taking the money. It's just that when you take

1109
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: the money and you're beholden to them' That's what I

1110
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 3: would tell elected officials. You don't have to be beholden

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00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: to them.

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Speaker 1: Look, I feel blessed. I've got a whole lot of

1113
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: people who have invested in my campaigns over time. By

1114
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: the way, I'm sure some of them don't agree with

1115
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: some of the things that I stand for, but they

1116
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: believe in in my approach to governing and the work

1117
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do to help other people, and I

1118
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: feel has to have their support. But I can tell

1119
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: you there's there's not one donor or one group or

1120
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: whatever that I go Oh man, I got to please them.

1121
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: So I'm going to do something that I disagree with.

1122
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

1123
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

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00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: People are going to people will always assume it's APEC

1125
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: though APAK is the boogeyman in all.

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Speaker 1: Of It's code for a lot. Yeah, and it's what

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00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: I said to you before and again, you know, I

1128
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: mean this with respect. I think in some ways it's

1129
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: a lazy shortcut. I think it's more important that folks

1130
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: are being forced to answer questions about what they see

1131
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: as necessary for that region or on that topic, or

1132
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: on that that issue.

1133
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wonder if it's something that politicians are

1134
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: going to have to continue to explain in the future.

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00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So that is that is fair. I think if

1136
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: you're a politician and you take a dollar from someone,

1137
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: you need to be able to justify taking that dollar.

1138
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: And the justification could be, hey, look, they invested in

1139
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: my campaign. Doesn't mean I agree with them on every issue.

1140
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: A lot of people invest in the campaign, right, I mean,

1141
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: I think that the burden is on the elected official

1142
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: or the candidate running for office on that front, for sure,

1143
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But I think to just kind

1144
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: of presuppose, well, took a dollar from Charlie Mane, you

1145
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: must agree with everything Charla Maine thinks. I don't think

1146
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: that's fair, And that's.

1147
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 3: What people want. People want to make sure that they

1148
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: want you to ensure them that just because you took

1149
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: money from these lobby groups, that these lobby groups don't

1150
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 3: have the influence over your decision making. I think.

1151
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: Look, one of the things that I appreciate so much

1152
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: about how the people Pennsylvania view me, and we see

1153
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: this in elections and polls after polls, that they see

1154
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: me as being an independent voice and being someone on

1155
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: their side. And I'm proud of that.

1156
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: That's what it is. I know.

1157
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:39,959
Speaker 4: You have one last question.

1158
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just saw that they made an arrest

1159
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: yesterday in the Cada Scott, the missing girl in Philadelphia.

1160
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the story. I just wanted to

1161
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 5: know because it seems like they're the police that are

1162
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 5: having issues with locate I mean, she's still missing, but

1163
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 5: they don't have anything that they're tracing, like no cell phone,

1164
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 5: no anything. Do you guys bring in additional resources there,

1165
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 5: because I'm so so Kaida Scott as a young woman.

1166
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 5: She's twenty three. She went young black women went missing

1167
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 5: in Philadelphia from work. She was being a harassed via

1168
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 5: phone by someone. Prior to that, she told her parents.

1169
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 5: Now she's missing. She's been missing for some time. They

1170
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 5: just made an arrest in the case, a young man,

1171
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 5: but they haven't told us what the tie to him

1172
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: is in the case. But it seems like though they're

1173
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 5: having issues with finding like her footsteps leading up to that,

1174
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 5: like cell phone, anything, or just whereabouts whatsoever.

1175
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to get ahead of the police on this.

1176
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: It is an awful, awful case and just my prayers

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00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: go out to her family. I can tell you that

1178
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania State Police, which I ever see through through

1179
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: our State Police Commissioner, we work very closely with local authorities,

1180
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: including the Philadelphia Police and the Philadelfia Police, are outstanding

1181
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: in these cases and I've confidence that they'll get to

1182
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Our technology, our unique know how,

1183
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: the tool we have to solve these kinds of cases

1184
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: are always brought to bear to work with our municipal

1185
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: partners to make sure that we address crime in our communities.

1186
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean, this is an awful case, and hopefully they'll

1187
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. I would also just

1188
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: caution you, you know, I mean disrespectful to you and

1189
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: anyone in the media. There are lots of cases where

1190
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: we can't share all the information with the media as

1191
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: we're working them, because sometimes you don't want something to

1192
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: come out at first. Ultimately, you know, you provide that

1193
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: transparency when the case is sort of closed. But we're

1194
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of still in the midst of this one right now,

1195
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: and so I think, you know, not everything is being shared.

1196
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: But I got a lot of faith in the Philadelphia Police,

1197
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: and I can tell you that the Pennsylvania State Police

1198
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: is always get They're ready to support them in every

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00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: other municipal department.

1200
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Speaker 3: I got one last question. You got a sixty two

1201
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: percent approval rate, right? How do you measure success by

1202
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 3: polling numbers? Are lives changed? Oh?

1203
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Lives changed? And look for as for as wonderful it

1204
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: is to have a sixty two percent approval rating in

1205
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: the toughest state in the country to run in, I

1206
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: still rely not on the data that you cite, but

1207
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: the feel I get from people, whether on their farms

1208
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: and you know, downtown in you know, Pittsburgh, Center City, Philly,

1209
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: walking down the street, having someone stop me and go

1210
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: yogav and talk to me about something. That's where I

1211
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: get my feel from. And you know, I measure it

1212
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: in terms of what people tell me they want done

1213
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: and going out and doing it and the people's lives

1214
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: I touch along the way. I gotta tell you, I mean,

1215
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: for me, the motivation is not seeing a poll like that.

1216
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: It's when someone says, hey, Gov, five years ago, I

1217
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: reached out to you, and you know you were Returney

1218
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: General back then, but you took on my case and

1219
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: you helped me get you know, get back my money

1220
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: after someone tried to scam me. That's the stuff that

1221
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: fills up my cup. And you know, it kind of

1222
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: goes back to the first question, or one of the

1223
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: first questions you asked, you know, why do you do this?

1224
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: And what happens if your kids told you not to

1225
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: do it. I'm one of these people that is motivated

1226
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: by helping others, and I do. I do get fulfillment

1227
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: from people telling me I made their lives better, and

1228
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: and there's there's just an extraordinary feeling that you get

1229
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: from that. It's it's how I was raised, It's what

1230
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: my faith has taught me, and and that is what

1231
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: motivates me. Not you know, numbers in a poll. I'm

1232
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: grateful for that support, but knowing I changed someone's life,

1233
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: knowing I made it better, and and and pursuing the

1234
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: next thing and the next thing and the next thing.

1235
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: That's gonna help my communities out.

1236
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: You know, a life that h that that governor shaperial

1237
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: change that he doesn't talk about is Wallow. He's the

1238
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: one who pardoned Wallow. What made you want to pardon Wallow?

1239
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: I think there are people out there who had one

1240
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: bad day, or in Wallow's case, had a few bad days.

1241
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: Let's let's be real, and there are those that don't

1242
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: learn from that, and they end up living sad and

1243
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: tragic lives, oftentimes in jail or in places that are

1244
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: dangerous for them. And then there are other people. And

1245
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: while it's a great example that he happens to be famous,

1246
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: so you know about him, but there's a whole lot

1247
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: of people who aren't famous who do this, who learn

1248
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: from that bad day who learn from those bad decisions,

1249
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: and they not only turn their lives around for themselves,

1250
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: but they then make a difference for others. And those

1251
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: are the people that I try to find. Those are

1252
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: the people whose cases I want to come across my

1253
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: desk so I can fix my signature to a pardon

1254
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: for them. That is an enormous power that a governor

1255
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: has to be able to sign your name and wipe

1256
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: away someone's bad deeds and give them an opportunity in

1257
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: life again. And I will tell you I take that

1258
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: power really, really seriously. Wallow Earn that he earned the

1259
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: right to have his case come across my desk, and

1260
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: he earned my signature because of the way in which

1261
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: he's lived his life and help make other lives better.

1262
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: The way he's helped other people get back on the

1263
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: right track, the way he's helped other people achieve prosperity

1264
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: for them and their families. The way he's I think,

1265
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: in many ways changed an industry, whether it's music or

1266
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: the kind of influencer industry or what have you. I mean,

1267
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: he's done extraordinary things, and I'm proud of him. And

1268
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else I told him. I don't

1269
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: think he'd mind me sharing this. And I've said this

1270
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: to others who we've given second chances to, including those

1271
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: who have granted clemency to, which means letting them out

1272
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: of jail even though they're facing a life sentence. I

1273
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: tell them, don't screw up, because you are now an

1274
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: example to others. I said that to Meek. I've said

1275
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: that to a number of folks. You now have an

1276
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: enormous power to do good in the world, but you're

1277
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: also an example, and you've got an awesome amount of

1278
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: pressure and responsibility on you, and so live your life

1279
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: in a way where you acknowledge that pressure, you acknowledge

1280
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: that responsibility. And man, while I has done that, and

1281
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm really really proud of them, and I try and

1282
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: check in on him every so often, and checking on

1283
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: others who I've issued pardons to or clemency's too, just

1284
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: to see how they're doing.

1285
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 3: Help me too. Yeah, yeah, but he didn't want to

1286
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: be on the helicopter. He didn't want to do no

1287
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: photo ops or anything.

1288
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: He's like, Nope, no, because that's not what it's about.

1289
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: This isn't about me being able to stand next to

1290
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: Meek or Wallow and you know some press thing. This

1291
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: is about knowing that they did the hard work to

1292
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: get their lives back together. And I've got this unique

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Speaker 1: power for this moment in time as governor where I

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Speaker 1: can give them some extra help. But with that comes

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Speaker 1: a responsibility and they've got to own up to their

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Speaker 1: end of the bargain. And they are.

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Speaker 5: The way you are is how the spirit of so

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Speaker 5: many other people in government should be. Like just the

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Speaker 5: spirit I get from you in this conversation, like you

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Speaker 5: absolutely there's a genuine care for people to end up well.

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Speaker 5: I agree, and that you don't feel that all the time.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully, Thank you. I hope we've got free and fair

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Speaker 3: elections in twenty twenty eight. Now you can be in

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Speaker 3: the mix.

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Speaker 5: They hope they get it right.

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Speaker 1: We're going to work to make sure we got free

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Speaker 1: and fair elections.

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Speaker 4: His governant, jos Shapperio. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys always, and we'll see we're out. We're out.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you in another week to too.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to Thank you, Philly. Is that we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna leave it there. Listen, you want to do this,

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Speaker 1: we can do this, Okay. I think you guys are

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Speaker 1: exciting Jackson Dart is seemingly pretty good. Scataboo is pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty good. You lost you lost U neighbor, Milik neighbors unfortunately. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But you cannot over a long season hang with the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: You just can't. You just can't. I can pray, you

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Speaker 1: can pray all you want, but you ain't gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to do it over a long season. But they

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Speaker 1: are a team now seemingly on the upswing, which I

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Speaker 1: think is uh is a good thing. And and look,

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Speaker 1: the Birds have stumbled a little bit over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but we'll get it back together, all right.

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Speaker 1: Championship team right there.

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Speaker 4: Governor Josh Appio is the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake

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Speaker 4: that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 3: The Breakfast three