Speaker 1: You're listening to Comedy Central. Hey, it's Roy Wood Jr.
Speaker 1: And up next is an episode of The Daily Show
Speaker 1: podcast Beyond the Scenes. This week, we're taking a look
Speaker 1: at racism in the adult entertainment industry with Daily Show
Speaker 1: segment director Stacy Angels and adult entertainers and co creators
Speaker 1: of the adult film company Royal Fetish Films, Jet Setting,
Speaker 1: Jasmine and King Noir. We're discussing how the porn industry
Speaker 1: perpetuates racist stereotypes and capitalizes on racist film titles, how
Speaker 1: consumers can hold companies accountable, and what constitutes a sexual fantasy.
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Speaker 1: mama be hating good. It is what it is, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what this podcast is. I'm Roy Wood Jr. And
Speaker 1: today we're talking about a segment we filmed back in
Speaker 1: that asked a very important question. It's the porn industry racist.
Speaker 1: Roll the clip? Well, no, not that porn clip, roller
Speaker 1: daily show clip about point, don't roll the point trying
Speaker 1: to keep our license. There's definitely ractless on the point.
Speaker 1: This is the only business in the world where a
Speaker 1: female can say yea and they to a person just
Speaker 1: because don't color us kind of. Black men are particularly
Speaker 1: portrayed in ports being th criminals. What do you black
Speaker 1: men do? In my health? Black women are portrayed as
Speaker 1: extremely ghetto. The titles are racist itself. The porn industry
Speaker 1: will take anything painful to black people and just add
Speaker 1: a pair of titties, Black lives matter, twelve inches of
Speaker 1: slave help. They even remade roots cut girls we killed
Speaker 1: around here. Anybody that would say that there is racism
Speaker 1: and porn really needs to be slapped. Today I'm joined
Speaker 1: by segment director Stacy Angels, who helped produce this piece. Stacy,
Speaker 1: how you doing, old friend? I'm great. Roy. I always
Speaker 1: love talking about porn with you well, thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: happy that you're the only person I talked about porn
Speaker 1: with at work as well. Hello, Hr, I know you're listening. Uh.
Speaker 1: Also joining us for this conversation are adult entertainers, life
Speaker 1: partners and business partners. They're co creators of the adult
Speaker 1: film production company Royal Fetish Films. She is a licensed
Speaker 1: clinical therapist. Please welcome Jet setting Jasmine to the program.
Speaker 1: Jet said, how you doing, madam, Jet Madam? Those okay,
Speaker 1: We'll take it. And also, uh, your partner in business
Speaker 1: and your partner in real life, King Noir king, how
Speaker 1: you doing? Good to be here now? I'm excited to
Speaker 1: hear about some stories of racism, because you know, that's
Speaker 1: what I love talking about as a black person. But first, Stacy,
Speaker 1: I know how this piece kind of came to be.
Speaker 1: I don't remember who else was in on the inception
Speaker 1: of it, but I do remember Trayvon Free coming into
Speaker 1: my office and he just goes, hey, man, you want
Speaker 1: to meet Mr Stone, And I'm sure why not. I'll
Speaker 1: keep in mind. Up until that point, the pieces I've
Speaker 1: done were Police Reform Um, the twentieth anniversary of the
Speaker 1: Million Man March, embedding on the election I was so
Speaker 1: happy just to do something that was just completely off
Speaker 1: the wall. And I if I recall, you were relatively
Speaker 1: new to the show, So what did you think when
Speaker 1: they brought this piece to you? No, I was super new,
Speaker 1: and so it was my going to be my third piece.
Speaker 1: So I think there were five pieces floating around. And
Speaker 1: obviously I got drawn to porn because everybody loves porn,
Speaker 1: Even people who say they don't watch porn love porn.
Speaker 1: But then I saw the story and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a little bit darker because Trayvon sent me
Speaker 1: an article that was like white women were demanding more
Speaker 1: pay to sleep with black men, And as disgusting as
Speaker 1: that was, it was shocking to me because I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not eve, but when I think of the
Speaker 1: porn industry, I always think of like sexual free, open mindedness.
Speaker 1: I never thought that it would be something that had
Speaker 1: so many boundaries or whatever. And then when I was
Speaker 1: researching more on it, I saw that not only is
Speaker 1: it racist, they're like capitalizing on it with the titles
Speaker 1: and the premises, and it seemed like a narrative that
Speaker 1: they were kind of getting away with. And also I
Speaker 1: never worked with Roy and so it was my first
Speaker 1: piece of Roy. So I was very excited about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what did you find most surprising? Because I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: like when I was doing a little bit of the
Speaker 1: research going into you know, for the for the listeners UM.
Speaker 1: As a correspondent, it's very important that you get the
Speaker 1: backstory on the topic that you're researching, because it makes
Speaker 1: you a better, a more adept interviewer when you're speaking
Speaker 1: with UM, your your seeing partners, if you will, for
Speaker 1: this particular that we will call Sea, but the people
Speaker 1: you're interviewing, you want to know what the hell you're
Speaker 1: talking about, right, And so I just remember seeing all
Speaker 1: of these random racist porn titles. We had a researcher,
Speaker 1: Devin Devin Learry who was with the show at the time,
Speaker 1: and she had to watch hours of porn and find
Speaker 1: the stereotypes so that we could find the jokes in them.
Speaker 1: And so her desk was so popular, like twelve twelve
Speaker 1: years of Slave like like like just parodies of just
Speaker 1: popular films. They were just like, yeah, let's flip that
Speaker 1: into a porn So was there anything that shot you
Speaker 1: about this shoot? I was going to mention Devin Larry
Speaker 1: because she's she did all the research and she was
Speaker 1: a second producer at the time. She was amazing. And
Speaker 1: I said, you know, we need to find a bunch
Speaker 1: of porn that has that really banks on all those
Speaker 1: stereotypes of black people being criminals, breaking in, thugs, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. And I and I was thinking she might
Speaker 1: have to dig deep, like baby, and it was like instant,
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, I found one. And the
Speaker 1: titles were not even the titles aren't even settled. They're
Speaker 1: just like, oh no, a black man broke into my house.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's a black man inside my wife, like
Speaker 1: they were just it was an embarrassment of riches and
Speaker 1: it just it was just like so much. She almost
Speaker 1: gave me too much stuff. And then that was like
Speaker 1: insanely surprising to me. And then the second thing that
Speaker 1: was really surprising was hearing things white women were more
Speaker 1: willing to do over having sex with the black men,
Speaker 1: like triple anial penetrate and prostitution and uh, everything was
Speaker 1: shocking because, like I was saying earlier, I really thought
Speaker 1: it was just open minded industry, which maybe I am
Speaker 1: not even that white women will demand more money just
Speaker 1: to take that black bone. White girls will ask for double, triple,
Speaker 1: quadruple the amount to do an inter racial scene. This
Speaker 1: seems to be the only industry where a white person
Speaker 1: could just straight up go, I ain't working with no
Speaker 1: black people today. You couldn't do that. If you work
Speaker 1: in a fast food spot, you couldn't just go, who's cooking? Stanley?
Speaker 1: Oh baby, you got to pay me time and a
Speaker 1: half if I'm gonna be working with these negros. Jasmine,
Speaker 1: give me the first time you were on set and
Speaker 1: you're not like when you're in the middle of racism,
Speaker 1: like when racism is in progress and you just be
Speaker 1: sitting there talking to yourself. Can you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about too? Just like in my experience and racism,
Speaker 1: this fear okay, Jasmine, just hold the chicken and biscuit
Speaker 1: in your hand and be okay. And actually he's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, did he just asked me the whole
Speaker 1: a chicken wing? And walk us through, you know, both
Speaker 1: of you walk us through that first time that you
Speaker 1: discover the level of discrimination that exists in the industry
Speaker 1: or were you put up on game about that from
Speaker 1: the job? So I think we're both going to be
Speaker 1: able to give you a range of examples. And so
Speaker 1: for me, I was put up on like the reason
Speaker 1: why royal fetish films exists is because as a consumer
Speaker 1: of porn, I was like, I can't First of all,
Speaker 1: I can't watch it and listen to you know, I
Speaker 1: can't listen to the fake blacks, and I can't listen
Speaker 1: to the stereotypical tropes. I can't listen to the chicken
Speaker 1: and biscuit jokes like it. It became a form of
Speaker 1: entertainment for me. That was like, if I'm enjoying this
Speaker 1: is something wrong with me and I'm not enjoying it,
Speaker 1: So why am I watching it? Now? Where am I
Speaker 1: going to go to get inspiration to masturbate? Right? So
Speaker 1: when King and I started working together, it was like,
Speaker 1: we need to create something that we could feel proud
Speaker 1: to watch. Um. And we were hearing this from We're
Speaker 1: already doing sex education and hosting parties and um, we
Speaker 1: were already hearing this like I don't watch porn specifically
Speaker 1: from black women because we don't see ourselves reflected. It's degrading.
Speaker 1: It's hard to feel sexy when you are seeing the
Speaker 1: lowest representation of yourself and your people. So I already
Speaker 1: knew like whatever we created was going to be something
Speaker 1: that I wanted to watch. Now that being said, as
Speaker 1: we started to become more popular, at least for me,
Speaker 1: people we are starting to ask me to shoot for
Speaker 1: their company. And so I come from uh in this industry,
Speaker 1: from a privileged space where I can say like, no,
Speaker 1: thank you. That sounds like I'm going to be sitting
Speaker 1: there and exactly how you describe, like I'm in the
Speaker 1: middle of some racism, and so I was able to
Speaker 1: say kind of know right off the back, and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: the scene is going to call for you to do
Speaker 1: some tworking. Um, nothing's wrong with working, but you've never
Speaker 1: seen me twork and why would you be casting me
Speaker 1: for that? Like, I'm probably not the best person. Like
Speaker 1: if you want to see great point of toes and
Speaker 1: some modern dance like sign me up, but for tworking,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just kind of making an assumption that
Speaker 1: because I'm black and I do porn, that that's what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get, right. So, um, but I will say
Speaker 1: that what I have seen and I've worked enough corporate
Speaker 1: jobs and for government agencies to know that sort of
Speaker 1: like baseline of racism. That's there. Um, I look at
Speaker 1: where where the bottom line where the dollars roll. And
Speaker 1: I found that my white counterparts were getting money for hair,
Speaker 1: for makeup, and for costuming when they shoot. And for
Speaker 1: me it was like, UM, make sure you bring your
Speaker 1: own makeup kit and you know we'll we'll do something
Speaker 1: with your hair. You know you have that style that's
Speaker 1: so edgy, and um, bring a couple of Okay, bring
Speaker 1: a couple of bring a couple of outfits, and world
Speaker 1: choose from what you have. And then later to find
Speaker 1: out that this is a line item when my white
Speaker 1: counterparts shoot. You know, so there are there's that there's
Speaker 1: also I have found, like even leading into this interview,
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just go, let me google myself,
Speaker 1: Let me google myself and the N word, And because
Speaker 1: I know I don't say it, so somebody had to
Speaker 1: put it out there. And a lot of my scenes
Speaker 1: have been licensed using words that I did not agree to. Now,
Speaker 1: since those are a lot of those scenes are older ones,
Speaker 1: since um we got even further up on game, we
Speaker 1: now make it a part of our contract that they
Speaker 1: cannot sell our scenes using any type of derogatory language
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you might be thinking that
Speaker 1: you're shooting for a company that has your best interests
Speaker 1: in mind and that sees you as whoever you are.
Speaker 1: And then you know, three times around, you're in Germany
Speaker 1: as the black nigger girl works on big black dick
Speaker 1: husband or not. They definitely wouldn't say husband criminal, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: or ghetto women give blow jobs to pay their power bill,
Speaker 1: Like it's always like why they need the money in
Speaker 1: the discript so I've heard. I've never been in anythingsight
Speaker 1: to edge. I think also with with a lot of
Speaker 1: the times when it comes to just that open mindedness
Speaker 1: of the industry that Stacy had just mentioned. It might
Speaker 1: be open minded for the white performers, like there's a
Speaker 1: certain level of freedom that they have even within their titles,
Speaker 1: but within the black titles there's this whole desperation that
Speaker 1: is also put with it as well. And for me,
Speaker 1: I have experienced all the way from the subtle racism
Speaker 1: to the I've been called niggarron set before you know, Um,
Speaker 1: I was at the scene. No, it wasn't even in
Speaker 1: the scene. I was, No, it was it was another performer.
Speaker 1: She wanted to have sex with me. Off camera after
Speaker 1: our scene, and I was like, nah, I got things
Speaker 1: to do. I was actually about to call Jasmine and
Speaker 1: check in on the family. And she catches the attitude
Speaker 1: and messages. We had the same agent, and she messaged
Speaker 1: the agent, King is being an uppity nigger to my agent.
Speaker 1: He won't have sex with me off camera. And you
Speaker 1: know what uppity means. When they call you uppity, that
Speaker 1: just mean you're not doing what white folks want you
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, they're trying to break you exactly. The
Speaker 1: company tried to tell me that I should still film
Speaker 1: with her. I basically had to tell them nothing that
Speaker 1: I shot with her should ever be released. I had
Speaker 1: them signed like I wrote some ship on a paper
Speaker 1: right there, and was like, y'all signing this, y'all never
Speaker 1: releasing this, or it's gonna be a problem. So then
Speaker 1: they tried to tell other people in the industry not
Speaker 1: to work with me because I because I'm a problem,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be called a nigger by
Speaker 1: my co star. But if she's a white woman, she
Speaker 1: holds more power than you in the industry because white
Speaker 1: women are kind of the golden Geese fiscally speaking, for
Speaker 1: these production companies, right, So I want to challenge that roy.
Speaker 1: The perception, right is that white women are the Geese state, um.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's where it's the election of
Speaker 1: society in the industry. But when you look at what
Speaker 1: the top selling genre is, it's in a racial you
Speaker 1: cannot have you know, a white woman alone is not
Speaker 1: making the top dollar when you look at the top searches,
Speaker 1: it's inter racial henti um milf right, So there are
Speaker 1: certain subsets of the people that are participating in the
Speaker 1: industry that actually are the clickbait they are, you know.
Speaker 1: So this idea that you know, white women have specific
Speaker 1: power in the industry, it's more of a reflection of
Speaker 1: our largest society and how we see them as um,
Speaker 1: you know, without without fault, uh to be protected, to
Speaker 1: be uplifted, to be held in this prize position. But
Speaker 1: if we look at the bottom line, they need to
Speaker 1: sleep with someone other than themselves to bring in the
Speaker 1: highest number of clicks, advertisements and money. What is the
Speaker 1: dynamic on set though, Like if you write and cease
Speaker 1: and desists on the back of a napkin on set,
Speaker 1: what is the HRS situation? And that like okay, like
Speaker 1: let me break it down, because all I know is
Speaker 1: like is like acting on the set. And there was
Speaker 1: some time years ago I played an extra. I played
Speaker 1: a slave in the background of a Civil War reenactment.
Speaker 1: This is like ninety seven. It's my first ever television credit.
Speaker 1: And we're all dressed like slaves and it's you know,
Speaker 1: they're showing Union soldiers while buying. The director comes over
Speaker 1: and goes, you know, could you guys mind like you're
Speaker 1: clapping like he wanted us basically to be doing like
Speaker 1: some humming and singing around the fire, like singing slave hymnals.
Speaker 1: And we all kind of looked at each other and
Speaker 1: it was like, yo, no, I just kind of want
Speaker 1: to I'm already dressed like a slave. My man, Just
Speaker 1: let me just sit here and just chill. How much
Speaker 1: do you get to challenge when they try to add
Speaker 1: a little, They try to like, you agree to one thing,
Speaker 1: and then you get on set and they try and
Speaker 1: flip the script, King, like has ever been a scenario,
Speaker 1: But they try to come in and sprinkle a little
Speaker 1: read your mind, King, I love what you're doing, but
Speaker 1: let me put racism a time. Let's do it again.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the times when you have to
Speaker 1: make a business decision where it's like, am I comfortable
Speaker 1: with this and my walking off set? Am I going
Speaker 1: to deal with whatever backlash is gonna follow? I have
Speaker 1: walked up set. I have definitely walked up set. I
Speaker 1: have had That's what I said. I've dealt with so many.
Speaker 1: It's sometimes it would be that type of racism where
Speaker 1: it's like I have a lot of black friends. I
Speaker 1: grew up with black friends. Like just just recently, I
Speaker 1: had this thing where he was this is the director.
Speaker 1: This isn't like another the director. The first time I
Speaker 1: ever went into somebody's house and it smelled like Chipland's.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what does that have to do with
Speaker 1: anything that we're doing right now? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So but but it's like
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and and it did wind up having
Speaker 1: to It led to a conversation that I was like,
Speaker 1: I might never work for this company again, but I
Speaker 1: need to have this conversation in a way that's not
Speaker 1: gonna completely make them be like, you know, angry black man,
Speaker 1: but they gotta stop. And it had kind of led
Speaker 1: to this thing where I can't go he was talking
Speaker 1: about Atlanta, like some neighborhood. He was like, you know,
Speaker 1: white people can't go there. And I was like, where
Speaker 1: where in America can't white people go? Y'all own stuff?
Speaker 1: You gotta go. You gotta go to the hood to
Speaker 1: collect your rent, or there's a burger king there, or
Speaker 1: there's whatever. You know what I'm saying, There's no place
Speaker 1: in America that you can't go. But I know if
Speaker 1: I'm in my Aubrey and I'm running through a neighborhood,
Speaker 1: I know I can't be there. I can't go to
Speaker 1: benson Hurst, I can't go to Sundowntowns. That's that's our reality.
Speaker 1: That's not your reality, but it's shaped that way. So
Speaker 1: I had to have this conversation on set with the
Speaker 1: director and and I know, like and at this point
Speaker 1: it's just like I'm not in the I'm not in
Speaker 1: the mood to after this. I am. I know, like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, it's not Also, this is not going
Speaker 1: to happen to shoot exactly. It's not gonna happen today.
Speaker 1: And and trying to explain that, like you sometimes will
Speaker 1: have to, it's not gonna happen for me, and you
Speaker 1: don't always have. Sometimes you're gonna have to put it
Speaker 1: like I can't work with you. But sometimes you just
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta take that l And that's a tough
Speaker 1: part about our industry because there isn't an HR department
Speaker 1: that I could say, hey, you know who who are
Speaker 1: you going to go to with most of these companies,
Speaker 1: these these are their own companies or these directors are
Speaker 1: also the heads and owners of their company. Is there
Speaker 1: a union? Part of me if this is an ignorant question,
Speaker 1: but is there like an actors union for adult entertainers
Speaker 1: to there? There are some organizations if there's the Free
Speaker 1: Speech Coalition UM that works too to uphold some forms
Speaker 1: of advocacy for performers and UM there's also a guild,
Speaker 1: but it's very very loose. I mean, part of the
Speaker 1: issue is that the poor an industry is stigmatized from
Speaker 1: the rest of the workforce. I mean, we literally have
Speaker 1: a hashtag that sex work is work right. The only
Speaker 1: time that we're really recognized UM as being a part
Speaker 1: of fiscal part of the society is taxes. That's the
Speaker 1: only time you know, is that what goes into our
Speaker 1: bank and what comes out for taxes. But UM trying
Speaker 1: to uphold like a discrimination suit, sexual harassment and those
Speaker 1: type of things to think about where what what court
Speaker 1: are we bringing that to. That also validates that what
Speaker 1: we're doing is work, that what we're doing is consensual,
Speaker 1: that what we're doing is moral. Um, just sort of
Speaker 1: thinking about the pandemic that we are that we're still in.
Speaker 1: I know everyone else is out of it, but the U.
Speaker 1: There were the PPP loans that came out for people
Speaker 1: who you know, had businesses we're trying to keep their
Speaker 1: employees working. We have a a full production company that
Speaker 1: we wanted to sustain over the pandemic and keep people working.
Speaker 1: But the morality clause, there's literally a morality cause in
Speaker 1: these loans that although we are tax paying, legally producing um,
Speaker 1: producing content, uh, paying our taxes, etcetera, etcetera, we don't
Speaker 1: fall into the requirements. And so you know, because the
Speaker 1: structures that are supposed to be able to support us
Speaker 1: with taking whether these are claims up for discrimination, hell
Speaker 1: hate crimes if you will write being called a nigger
Speaker 1: on set um, sexual harassment, any type of harassment, or
Speaker 1: the financial discrimination that I talked about where my co
Speaker 1: stars are getting paid more for the same work, if
Speaker 1: not less than what I'm doing. It's really difficult. It's
Speaker 1: even difficult to find a sex worker friendly attorney that
Speaker 1: will take up your clause. So we are really off.
Speaker 1: It's like a marginalized industry with marginalized people within that industry.
Speaker 1: It's like we're in the margins of the margin stacy
Speaker 1: we I know. Within the piece, we talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about, you know, how the point industry perpetuates racist
Speaker 1: stereo types, you know, in the present. The thing that
Speaker 1: I hated was that we really weren't able to get
Speaker 1: deeper into the history of porn, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of the roots of the racism and all of the
Speaker 1: other different It talked to me a little bit about
Speaker 1: some of the pieces and parts that we wish we
Speaker 1: would have had space for the record. I pitched Porn
Speaker 1: Part two, but then Trump got elected, and you know,
Speaker 1: we had we had different priorities within the building. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember initially reading a pitch about it, being like,
Speaker 1: we wanted to make this like the civil rights movement
Speaker 1: of the porn industry, making you like the Martin Luther
Speaker 1: king of it, and trying to um you were trying
Speaker 1: to like, yeah, I think it was like trying to
Speaker 1: inspire white women to sleep with black men to you know,
Speaker 1: and that stigma everybody though, because that was the Oh
Speaker 1: you just brought it up. There was also a hashtag.
Speaker 1: I think there's like a hashtag black Dogs Matter, Like
Speaker 1: there was like remember like a bunch of absurd ideas
Speaker 1: that like popped up. If you're like me, you love
Speaker 1: good pornography, there's a problem. Black people are constantly being
Speaker 1: portrayed as criminals and sexual predators. Porn companies aren't doing
Speaker 1: anything to change it. So I am for a limited
Speaker 1: time only see black people getting portrayed positively and my
Speaker 1: new porn series Affirmative Actions starring Meet Goodwood Junior Horny.
Speaker 1: I'm busy. I've run a Fortune five company. I do
Speaker 1: not have time to come home and just bang you repeatedly.
Speaker 1: We only had time to focus on black discrimination. But
Speaker 1: then there's also the issue of Asians, you know, being
Speaker 1: presented as made yeah and just oh, I'm so quiet,
Speaker 1: and Islamophobia being a big part of it. And then oh,
Speaker 1: you're not light skinned black, your Latino pretend to be
Speaker 1: a Mexican. So that happens to me all the time.
Speaker 1: They'd been like, can you play Puerto Rican? What does that?
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Yo, Puerto Ricans a black tool. They
Speaker 1: just were colonized by a different language. What what do
Speaker 1: you want me to do? And then they get scared
Speaker 1: sex differently? Do you talk of the accent or la
Speaker 1: chica I am here? They don't, They like, that's a
Speaker 1: terrible Puerto Rican. Please don't cancer man, stop playing Puerto Rican.
Speaker 1: And we can't even so for for example, UM, I'm
Speaker 1: Filipino and Panamania. Oh my god, me too. Sorry, didn't
Speaker 1: mean to interrupt on Filipino power. Um so, but you
Speaker 1: would be casted. You wouldn't be casting as Filipino, um,
Speaker 1: and neither of mine, you know. And I'm fine, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I'm a black Filipino and a black Panamanian.
Speaker 1: But when people ask me, like, you know, what should
Speaker 1: we put here? And then when it comes out, it's
Speaker 1: still like black black lady? You know? Can I I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry this has been like lingering over my mind.
Speaker 1: Um king. When you were talking about that offensive woman
Speaker 1: whatever her name is, I don't remember. We don't have
Speaker 1: to name her. How the hell do you perform with
Speaker 1: someone after they throw all these offensive racest for marks
Speaker 1: at you. How do you perform with them on camera?
Speaker 1: After that? I don't, I I don't personally um for me,
Speaker 1: like I said, with with that particular situation, they had
Speaker 1: to remove her from the follow up shoots. But the
Speaker 1: and it's funny you mentioned Puerto Rican because when we
Speaker 1: was shooting the rest of the scene, like another part
Speaker 1: of this of this film with two other performers, one
Speaker 1: who was there for when she said, well, when the
Speaker 1: whole thing happened, and the other who they brought in
Speaker 1: to replace her, and then the director Yills cut and
Speaker 1: then uh, one of the women said, why did you
Speaker 1: get mad? I thought you were Puerto Rican and yo
Speaker 1: and that and that was the end of my working period,
Speaker 1: like like literally in the middle of I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm done. I can't do this no more.
Speaker 1: And the craziest ship is they shooting Iowa. So I
Speaker 1: had to get out of Iowa after this, after this
Speaker 1: racist situation, and there's nobody that there's nobody to connect
Speaker 1: with Iowa. After you go through some racist ship. You
Speaker 1: can't just talk to the brother next to you because
Speaker 1: he ain't there. Let me find out they got some
Speaker 1: porn studios in Iowa. Man, I've been going to It's
Speaker 1: like in those kind of situations where I said, like,
Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna have to make a not only
Speaker 1: a business decision, but there's a certain decision that you
Speaker 1: have to make for your own humanity. And it's like, nah, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna have to pay me to kill fee for
Speaker 1: this shoot because this isn't this isn't appropriate, this is
Speaker 1: a bad situation. I'm y'all don't deserve my dick no more.
Speaker 1: I gotta go bring out. That's what I tell women too.
Speaker 1: After the break, I want to get a little bit
Speaker 1: more into the work that you all are doing at
Speaker 1: Royal Fetish Films and how are you all are helping
Speaker 1: to solve this problem. And we need to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about your boy Marty Klein Stacy, who was
Speaker 1: in the segment, Well you do want found didn't want
Speaker 1: to interview talking about it's not racism if you don't
Speaker 1: want to watch black people on camera have and and
Speaker 1: said whatever, Marty, we're getting too that after the break,
Speaker 1: this is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back beyond
Speaker 1: the scenes. We're talking about racism and porn a little
Speaker 1: segment that I did back in shot some of the
Speaker 1: interviews out there. I didn't know this King and Jasmine,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they like that. The point industry,
Speaker 1: y'all ran out a nice big, six bedroom house. Each
Speaker 1: bedroom is a different universe of a set, and there's
Speaker 1: just multiple adult films being shot concurrently, all in in
Speaker 1: the house. And I was like, wow, this is a
Speaker 1: That was like the most shocking thing because I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Just growing up watching porn, I just always
Speaker 1: thought that was somebody's real house. Like the concept of
Speaker 1: a film set not register. I thought they were just
Speaker 1: shooting somebody's crib. Actually, me too, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: Into the movie magic right there. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: that looked like a roach on the wall that I
Speaker 1: know what, I know what that is it thenbs don't
Speaker 1: always be clean. Now you want to know something that's
Speaker 1: really well, I've seen a porn one time. I've been
Speaker 1: in so many hotel rooms over my twenty five years
Speaker 1: of comedy. I can tell the hotel by the quilt
Speaker 1: pattern and I, oh, no, that's a Hampton, and I'd
Speaker 1: be staying at Hampton. But let's talk about royal fetish
Speaker 1: films and the work that you all are hoping to
Speaker 1: accomplish with that company, because you know, the first thing
Speaker 1: I want to do, let's set the table and just
Speaker 1: talk about the history of discrimination and racism and porn
Speaker 1: and white women saying they make less money if they
Speaker 1: have sex with a black person, and what it is
Speaker 1: exactly you all are trying to undo with with your
Speaker 1: film company. So I think a lot of times people
Speaker 1: like to compartmentalize whatever industry it is, whether it's porn
Speaker 1: or music or Hollywood film, whatever it is, and think
Speaker 1: that the racism that exists within it is somehow specific
Speaker 1: to just that industry. But it always goes back to
Speaker 1: the same ship. You know, America is born, rooted, and
Speaker 1: grew up on racism. You know, America's number one industry
Speaker 1: was our ancestors here, you know, like just running through
Speaker 1: the numbers of of our worth, our ancestors worth being
Speaker 1: worth more than the country and the and the currency
Speaker 1: of the country, going back to the eighteen hundreds, right.
Speaker 1: But the important part to think about with the stereotypes
Speaker 1: that we see in porn is that those stereotypes were
Speaker 1: born and how they sold us, how they purchased US,
Speaker 1: and the fact that, for example, like in Virginia and Maryland,
Speaker 1: their number one export, if you will, and crop was
Speaker 1: our ancestors was black folk, and they have breeding plantations.
Speaker 1: So like a lot of times people talk about tobacco,
Speaker 1: rice and cotton, but America also had breeding plantations that
Speaker 1: they sold our ancestors on, and they had specific ways
Speaker 1: that they did it. So like, for example, black men
Speaker 1: were a lot of times specifically purchased by the size
Speaker 1: of our penis because whatever these racist slave owners back
Speaker 1: in the day, they were like, oh, he'll probably make
Speaker 1: more babies because his penis is bigger, or whatever the
Speaker 1: funk they thought on some horse stallion type ship exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know, so that is one stereotype that we
Speaker 1: see to this day because if you look at just
Speaker 1: percentages across the planet man dick's range, there's big and
Speaker 1: small of all races. But the perception of black men's
Speaker 1: penises being larger is because for however long these white
Speaker 1: men just sat there with black men on the stage
Speaker 1: looking at us butt naked and trying to select our
Speaker 1: dick size the ship has been imprinted on their brain
Speaker 1: because that's what they look for in US it's also
Speaker 1: what they fear in us because they have raped so
Speaker 1: many black women, black men, and black children over this time.
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at just the history of
Speaker 1: film and the history of entertainment. First ever, you know,
Speaker 1: popular groundbreaking film they say is Birth of a Nation,
Speaker 1: you know, and Birth of a Nation was all about
Speaker 1: the clue plus Klan stopping black men from raping white women.
Speaker 1: Man Dingo was all about a slave owner who goes
Speaker 1: on a trip and was afraid that the mistress of
Speaker 1: the house was going to sleep with his slave, Man Dingo,
Speaker 1: because he had been raping all these black women on
Speaker 1: the plantation. And this is American popular culture. First popular
Speaker 1: culture in music was minstrel music, black white people in
Speaker 1: black face imitating us. So all of this stuff culminates
Speaker 1: important because these fantasies have been stuck in their head
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years. So now they get to put
Speaker 1: out twelve inches of slave as a thing for just
Speaker 1: like as you mentioned, for for twelve years of slave,
Speaker 1: or this this fear of any kind of movement that
Speaker 1: we have in a positive direction, where you saw like
Speaker 1: that film that was called Black Wives Matter. These feelings
Speaker 1: and perceptions, Yeah, they're they're they're rooted in all of
Speaker 1: these fears and racist ideas that they've had of us
Speaker 1: for years and years. And if you look at a
Speaker 1: lot of the stereotypes of black people, they are also
Speaker 1: based on what they did to us on the plantation
Speaker 1: and kind of how they manifest themselves in the world today.
Speaker 1: So I think something that's really important when you said, like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing to fix this? Hopefully the work
Speaker 1: that we do, I hope that changes the industry, but
Speaker 1: so much more important to us is helping us realize
Speaker 1: our range of sex and sexuality. And I say our
Speaker 1: black and brown people who also are terribly impacted by
Speaker 1: these stereotypes, not just from like oh, I can't find
Speaker 1: anything to watch imporn, but I don't have any reflection
Speaker 1: of what I'm supposed to be like sexually. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about folks that are on some of these
Speaker 1: sets and can't walk off that they don't have, you know,
Speaker 1: the means to be able to make that type of
Speaker 1: financial decision, how that leaves their psyche. We deserve to
Speaker 1: be a part of this industry just like anyone else.
Speaker 1: If this is how we would like to monetize our body.
Speaker 1: Some people want to type for a living. Some people
Speaker 1: want to you know, play sports, act what have you.
Speaker 1: We choose to have sex and to do sexual acts
Speaker 1: for a living. We deserve to be in this industry
Speaker 1: without harm. We want our population to be able to
Speaker 1: type in uh, you know black couples in romance b
Speaker 1: d SMU, kinky, black and kinky and see something where
Speaker 1: they are not the fetish, that there's an actual act
Speaker 1: of kink and fetish of sex that doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be degrading, that doesn't fall into these racist tropes. That
Speaker 1: allows us to see other types of bodies interacting with
Speaker 1: each other, people from different walks of life. You know,
Speaker 1: just so many different expressions that unfortunately we don't see. Um.
Speaker 1: The other work that we're doing at Royal Fetish Films
Speaker 1: are we are sticking it to these larger, larger companies.
Speaker 1: We're going on their pages and we are consulting with
Speaker 1: them and letting them, letting helping them understand that if
Speaker 1: you can't see it for yourself, seat for your bottom line,
Speaker 1: your your search engines, all your algorithms show that people
Speaker 1: want to see us in film. And when I look
Speaker 1: at your site and you know, point me to your
Speaker 1: premium content or your front page. All I see are
Speaker 1: white women that are of a certain uh, certain size
Speaker 1: and appear to be of a certain age, a younger age,
Speaker 1: and that is that's a mismatch. You're not even marketing
Speaker 1: to your consumers. You're not marketing to what people are
Speaker 1: are looking for. We're challenging them to um see the
Speaker 1: black dollar in the adult industry. It's important for us
Speaker 1: to help our people be represented, to see themselves because
Speaker 1: the way that you what you see important. UM. We
Speaker 1: know that it's a primary source for sex education because
Speaker 1: there is no sex education in this country. So you know,
Speaker 1: if people are gonna learn there, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that my interactions, my sexual interactions aren't based on
Speaker 1: somebody's terrible education that they got from you know, the
Speaker 1: front page of one of these tube sites. Um, if
Speaker 1: people are going to learn that this is this is
Speaker 1: how I have sex. Like, it's important in our films
Speaker 1: where we are showing people are having conversation about what
Speaker 1: kind of sex actually want to participate, that you have
Speaker 1: autonomy of your body that you you know, can be
Speaker 1: bound and suspended and checked on, and showing that on
Speaker 1: camera and part of the scene and consent and intimacy
Speaker 1: and closeness and conversation through the actual process of intercourse.
Speaker 1: I mean, our ship ranges from sabio sexual all the
Speaker 1: way to like hardcore BDSM and everything in between, because
Speaker 1: black sexuality is all of that. And there were so
Speaker 1: many times people would say stuff to us like that's
Speaker 1: some white people ship, and we would challenge that and like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. You really think people only started this way
Speaker 1: within the last three or four years. No, our people
Speaker 1: have been spanking each other on the ask for thousands
Speaker 1: of years, you know what I'm saying, Open your mind,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's what really got us into like
Speaker 1: how can we decolonize these ideas and and open up
Speaker 1: our people's minds and do it in a beautiful way,
Speaker 1: because sometimes when you look at mainstream porn, I'll be
Speaker 1: looking like they don't even give some coconut oil to
Speaker 1: not be askey on set because they don't know how
Speaker 1: to make our bodies look good anyway, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, From the lighting to coconut oil, the wigs,
Speaker 1: the makeup, you know, all of it, and having things
Speaker 1: that reflect our culture, like music that you actually wanted
Speaker 1: to playing in the background instead of whatever it sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know from back in the day. We try to
Speaker 1: make everything that reflects our culture and who we are. Stacy,
Speaker 1: I guess the challenge we have is trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to make everything they just said funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you dig and navigate the seriousness of this topic?
Speaker 1: Is still find room from hum for humor other than
Speaker 1: getting me to talk to Dr Marty Klein in the
Speaker 1: segment who said if I and I'm I'm gonna paraphrase,
Speaker 1: but he basically said, if you're into some ghetto ass porn,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're racist. It's the fetish. That's just
Speaker 1: what you're into. It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: I think that anybody who reads racism into pornography they're
Speaker 1: just prejudiced about certain kinds of sexual fantasies. These are
Speaker 1: real titles. Oh my God, a black man banged my
Speaker 1: daughter in the ass black bull for higher King Kong's
Speaker 1: Ding Dong. It's a fantasy. It's easy to find humor
Speaker 1: in some in something with such an outrageous counterpoint of view,
Speaker 1: But like, what were some of the other ways that
Speaker 1: you're able to find humor and working with you helps.
Speaker 1: You're very good at making depressing subject matters funny, which
Speaker 1: is the gift. And but he I think when people
Speaker 1: are stupid and say, you know, terrible things, it's I
Speaker 1: think it's taking their logic and flipping it on them.
Speaker 1: So I think you did a good job of that.
Speaker 1: When he was like, it's just a fantasy, like Star
Speaker 1: Wars or whatever, and you're like, okay, so let me
Speaker 1: get this straight. If I saw a white woman and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, you crack a bit, you've got some
Speaker 1: big as breaths, well the squeeze, that would be racist, yes,
Speaker 1: But if I hadn't a action while I said it
Speaker 1: to him, that's fantasy. It's a fantasy. It's like Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Porn is like Star Wars. It's not really when he
Speaker 1: says those words that were out there like he sounds
Speaker 1: so I think one way to find the humor is
Speaker 1: just like these people that are so narrow minded, taking
Speaker 1: their logic and taking it to the absurd extreme and
Speaker 1: you know, flipping it to that point Jasmine and King
Speaker 1: then to to Dr Marty Klein, it's just fantasy. When
Speaker 1: do these fantasies cross a line? Like how like is
Speaker 1: it about being tactful and showing only white like if
Speaker 1: I only want my white woman with white men. But
Speaker 1: also do we like like like you're not like going
Speaker 1: YouTube after you watch three videos, you gotta watch fifteen
Speaker 1: second pop up? Do we show the fifteen seconds of
Speaker 1: inter racial before you go back to theay? Oh? Like
Speaker 1: I think. I think one of the things is like
Speaker 1: if you just think about it, if you went to
Speaker 1: the Daily Show and was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: work with any Chinese people today, you would not have
Speaker 1: a job tomorrow. No, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: but in porn people say I'm not working with any
Speaker 1: black people, and that might not even just mean someone
Speaker 1: on camera. That could be there's no black director or
Speaker 1: black key grip or whatever. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. And then also as like, you know,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard the term queen of spades? No? No, later,
Speaker 1: So queen of spades is some racist that ship, but
Speaker 1: it's white women who will only sleep with black men,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them they get this tattoo of
Speaker 1: a queue with with a spade, And anytime you see
Speaker 1: the letter Q by itself, it's usually a problem. So
Speaker 1: alphabet but but so, but the tattoo, because it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like this his this whole like a branding.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a but it's it's it's it's more
Speaker 1: like a white Lives Matter shirt in a way, because
Speaker 1: you know if someone called if someone walk up to
Speaker 1: me and called me a spade in the street, we fight.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like spade has been it's
Speaker 1: it's a racist term. So basically it's like I'm a
Speaker 1: queen of spades. So it kind of goes back to
Speaker 1: that history that I'm talking about from the plantation because
Speaker 1: a lot of times people only talk about overseers and
Speaker 1: slave masters raping slaves. Mistresses did the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's rooted in that same thing, like these black
Speaker 1: men serve my pleasure, that's it. None of the black
Speaker 1: men that they were with are they talking about his intellect,
Speaker 1: his creativity, his love for fine arts. It's literally, he
Speaker 1: is here to pleasure me, and that's all the purpose
Speaker 1: that he serves. And then going back to the klient thing,
Speaker 1: it's like when you if you have a fantasy that
Speaker 1: is rooted in something that in the world is making
Speaker 1: people's lives it's problematic. I like to use people's fantasies
Speaker 1: um as a way of helping them understand like things
Speaker 1: outside of their fantasies. Right, So when I'm working with
Speaker 1: therapists on how to use poorn and practice, it's like,
Speaker 1: what does the point that you watch what? Um? What
Speaker 1: does it say about about you? How do you feel
Speaker 1: when you watch it? Right? Does it? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: if you're only watching this particular style, why is that?
Speaker 1: What is it telling you? Are informing you about those people?
Speaker 1: If it's like a specific type of people that you watch,
Speaker 1: you know, is it an attraction? What are you attracted to?
Speaker 1: Are you fetishizing in the person? Are you letting out
Speaker 1: an aggression towards that person during that time? Is it
Speaker 1: because you're curious? Um? And and then helping them explore
Speaker 1: what would that fantasy look like outside of the fantasy?
Speaker 1: Is there someone at work that you never speak to, um,
Speaker 1: but you just go home and like you know, Google,
Speaker 1: I don't know the janitor or something along those lines, um,
Speaker 1: What would that interaction be like? Can you interact with
Speaker 1: someone in a way that is not hyper sexualized or
Speaker 1: fetishized or is your only connection? Like King said, through
Speaker 1: these stereotypes. So you know, there is when when people
Speaker 1: are sharing, if they're willing to share about their racist
Speaker 1: sexual fantasies. And I know we can be so quick
Speaker 1: to just want to shut them off and call them racist,
Speaker 1: and that would be true and that is okay. But
Speaker 1: if you do have like the capacity to go a
Speaker 1: little bit further is to you know, help them become
Speaker 1: curious about why that is and how that is really
Speaker 1: shaping their ideas about these people in reality. When you
Speaker 1: said that janitor thing, and maybe you think of this
Speaker 1: this one site, it's like a mental institution and the
Speaker 1: men play doctors and the women are patients, right, And
Speaker 1: so I got booked for this site, and so like
Speaker 1: I go on their Twitter the day before and they're
Speaker 1: like shopping for the scene and they're getting stuff from
Speaker 1: like home depot. They're getting like you know, like the
Speaker 1: big yellow mop tubs and stuff like that and mops
Speaker 1: and ship and so I hit my agent. I'm like,
Speaker 1: can you ask them what what role they have me
Speaker 1: playing in this? And then so you were like You're
Speaker 1: gonna be the janitor. It was like never I was
Speaker 1: going to be the first black man on their site,
Speaker 1: and they were like, Nah, you're gonna play the janitor.
Speaker 1: Why can't you be a doctor that also has sex
Speaker 1: with the patients unethically? Well, after the break, we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring it home and ask a single question, who else
Speaker 1: can help y'all make the change and who is responsible
Speaker 1: for helping y'all clean up this racism and polling. This
Speaker 1: has been a good discussion to us far. Let me
Speaker 1: do a little research in the second tad while we
Speaker 1: go to this break. This is beyond the scenes. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back beyond the scenes. This has been a
Speaker 1: wonderful conversation. I knew it would be serious stacy, but
Speaker 1: I just didn't know it be so heavy and rich
Speaker 1: with just knowledge and just folks straightening this stuff out
Speaker 1: because you know, Jasmine as a therapist, like you have
Speaker 1: to approach this from a like like you can't. You
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to just yell at white people
Speaker 1: in white time ago. It's racist and y'all need to stop.
Speaker 1: You have to like get into the idiosyncratic aspects of
Speaker 1: the well, the finances. It'll make more money. Did you
Speaker 1: know that your consumers would also enjoy like talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about that aspect of it, of trying to
Speaker 1: turn the corner with people who don't understand just how
Speaker 1: damaging and emotionally corrosive this is for everybody who's taken
Speaker 1: a part of right. So a couple of things. One is, UM,
Speaker 1: I really want to give props to The Daily Show
Speaker 1: for doing that segment that was probably risk a UM.
Speaker 1: Even though y'all touch upon a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of controversial topics, you know, when it comes to port
Speaker 1: that usually is an area that everybody can go like,
Speaker 1: you know, we all watch it, but we all pretend
Speaker 1: that we don't and that it's dirty and it's grow
Speaker 1: And I use the clip UM in our presentations when
Speaker 1: we're talking about the colonizing sex, as well as educating
Speaker 1: therapists and medical providers on how they can communicate with um,
Speaker 1: you know, with their clients in using adult entertainment. So UM,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like using something that we know everybody
Speaker 1: watches The Daily Show and being like to see people
Speaker 1: are talking about it in mainstream and you know even
Speaker 1: they're able to make the connection. So of course you
Speaker 1: can at your higher level make this connection for your
Speaker 1: for your folks, and also challenge your own attitudes and
Speaker 1: behaviors on sex specifically by what you watch UM and
Speaker 1: how that perpetuates in your work that you do. But
Speaker 1: our work, you know, we draw it out even beyond
Speaker 1: porn into sex work, right because people who produce UM,
Speaker 1: who perform in porn and produce porn our sex workers.
Speaker 1: And it's really important for us to normalize sex work.
Speaker 1: So when we are talking to and we provide education
Speaker 1: to therapists, medical providers, even realtors, like how you y'all
Speaker 1: are missing out on a population of folks that are
Speaker 1: looking for safe places to live um and affordable you know,
Speaker 1: their money, take their money. But in order to take
Speaker 1: their money, they have to trust you, right, and you
Speaker 1: have to legitimize the work that we're doing invalidatus and
Speaker 1: a lot not discriminate. So oftentimes I'm always coming at
Speaker 1: it from the perspective of like, we are a huge population.
Speaker 1: There's someone in your family that engages in sex work, UM,
Speaker 1: and if they don't, they probably will. Looking at the
Speaker 1: projections of the economy right now, right, so go ahead
Speaker 1: and do something that's a lot of people are only
Speaker 1: fans the pandemic fans shot up. It shows in we
Speaker 1: need to go back to the bank on that only fans.
Speaker 1: I've seen them numbers. I said, Man, let me go
Speaker 1: give me some big nick peels. You don't even have
Speaker 1: to do that. Every everybody is there, so money for everybody.
Speaker 1: There are coins. Trevor no I heard Trevor no. I
Speaker 1: was leaving the Daily Shots and man, let me see
Speaker 1: be the only thing instead of no really, So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it has been so important for us to normalize
Speaker 1: sex work, normalize porn right that you watch it and
Speaker 1: you should feel good about watching it. It's a form
Speaker 1: of entertainment, just like everything else. When you know, we
Speaker 1: should be able to watch it with the sound on,
Speaker 1: You should be able to watch it without being offended.
Speaker 1: You should be able to find a reflection of yourself
Speaker 1: and so um really helping the consumer, like take some
Speaker 1: charge of what they're consuming. You don't have to just
Speaker 1: eat it because it's in front of you. There is
Speaker 1: a menu that's out there, and we help them learn
Speaker 1: how to shop for it. So you know, Royal fetish
Speaker 1: xxx dot com go check it Royal fetish x x
Speaker 1: x dot com. Who is responsible for making effective change?
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about the production companies, we talked
Speaker 1: about the a website will take a video that ain't
Speaker 1: even what the slug title says, it is just because
Speaker 1: they know to get someone to click on it and
Speaker 1: stay within the site, so they'll augment the title of
Speaker 1: something that our production company made. Or is it the consumer?
Speaker 1: What responsibilities do the consumer? Like? Who is who? Who
Speaker 1: could help? Who was the next person to join you?
Speaker 1: Like when Batman Winning got Commissioner Gordon to help him
Speaker 1: clean up Gotham? Who is the next person? Is that
Speaker 1: the consumer? Is that the production company? Is that the
Speaker 1: website and the distributors like I'll start I'll start with
Speaker 1: you King. I think it's everybody to be honest, but
Speaker 1: I think it's very important the work that we do
Speaker 1: to inform the consumer of how to purchase non racist
Speaker 1: and ethically made porn. So, you know, if somebody doesn't
Speaker 1: know that they can go to Royal Fetish or doesn't
Speaker 1: know the other sites that they can go to where
Speaker 1: they can find content that is not only you know,
Speaker 1: pro everybody and non racist, but also where they can
Speaker 1: go where they know that the performers are are involved
Speaker 1: in acts that they enjoy, um that they're not they're
Speaker 1: on some you know, desperation. Then they'll make the right decision.
Speaker 1: It's like that scene with Elijah Muhammed selling Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: If you choose between the dirty water and the clean water,
Speaker 1: people are gonna choose the clean water and people and
Speaker 1: I might not want to think of porn as clean
Speaker 1: and dirty water, but there it's some porn with clean
Speaker 1: water out there that you can find that has all
Speaker 1: the things that you're looking for, that that involve all
Speaker 1: your fantasies and show you different routes of pleasure, but
Speaker 1: you can do it in an ethical way. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all parties involved, everybody that is benefiting from from porn.
Speaker 1: So the production companies need to stop being lazy, like
Speaker 1: fix the template. The scenes need to be more reflective
Speaker 1: of the people that are in them and the people
Speaker 1: that are watching them. Um, the performers, I definitely feel
Speaker 1: like we have a responsibility to have some advocacy, some
Speaker 1: self advocacy and draw the picket line somewhere. You know,
Speaker 1: not everybody could jump off set, but you could try
Speaker 1: to negotiate. You can be upfront with what you're comfortable
Speaker 1: with before having that that little bit of racism sprinkled
Speaker 1: on you right like you mentioned, um, so go in,
Speaker 1: go into those situations already describing you know what your
Speaker 1: boundaries are. Um, I think the consumers also need to
Speaker 1: follow the performers directly and um you know, I say
Speaker 1: the easiest way for the consumers to to engage with
Speaker 1: work that they could feel good about is if the
Speaker 1: performer is promoting it. Usually we're not going to promote
Speaker 1: something that didn't make us feel good on set, or
Speaker 1: that we're not proud of, or that we didn't have
Speaker 1: um uh consent in in the labeling of it. Right,
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're gonna watch something like, get
Speaker 1: to know the performers, and this helps us also humanize
Speaker 1: the industry itself. It's like, oh, I like what King
Speaker 1: had to say. Okay, go find his work and look
Speaker 1: at what he's promoting and purchase that or watch those scenes,
Speaker 1: because more than likely we are going to again promote
Speaker 1: the things that we feel good about. And then finally,
Speaker 1: I do think it is the advertisers. They're making money
Speaker 1: off of our backs, but they're not willing to hear
Speaker 1: our demands. So it's really important that advertisers stop pouring
Speaker 1: money into sites that are acknowledged won't acknowledge that this
Speaker 1: stuff is problematic. And that it needs to be removed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and if you see stuff like the same
Speaker 1: way you can. I think for consumers, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put so much responsibility when people are anxious to
Speaker 1: have orgasm that they have to like stop and write
Speaker 1: a letter before they can engage in the work. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that you can do, the
Speaker 1: way that we touch all forms of social media and
Speaker 1: content is like don't like it, like report it right,
Speaker 1: or just put it thumbs down and keep it moving
Speaker 1: if you have to. Um. So it's a small way,
Speaker 1: but it lets people know that are putting a shipped
Speaker 1: out that it's like, oh, this didn't do so well,
Speaker 1: something about it. Maybe I should take the racial slur
Speaker 1: out of it. You know, we need Stacy, we need
Speaker 1: we need like a ethical, ethical porn logo. You know
Speaker 1: they got that recycled logo like the organic like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't murder nobody to make this product in the well.
Speaker 1: Thank you all so much. That's all the time we
Speaker 1: have for today. Thank you to our guest Stacy King Jasmine.
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