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Speaker 3: It's time for it the Fantasy Football Focus. Let's take

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Speaker 3: a look around the league here. Who is in practice today?

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Speaker 2: Who was out?

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Speaker 3: As I mentioned earlier, Lamar missing a second consecutive day

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Speaker 2: That is noteworthy. I'm sure there's a lot of listeners

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Speaker 2: to play fantasy football that only have him on their roster.

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Speaker 2: You might want to think ahead and at least have

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Speaker 2: a backup plan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, have something ready to go, right, Uh,

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Speaker 3: Tyrone Tracy?

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Speaker 2: And you want I mean I always say this, but

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Speaker 2: I mean does he finish the game? You know, like, well,

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Speaker 2: he's got a new receiver this week? Like right, right?

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Speaker 2: I mean that you're throwing on the side with Deontay Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Deonta is not playable for

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Speaker 2: fantasy right now. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't start a

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Speaker 2: new team that doesn't throw much, is never played with

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Speaker 2: his quarterback even to practice. Yet he might be just

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Speaker 2: returning punts this week. People. Yeah, you mentioned that on

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Speaker 2: the air too, that he's gonna return punch. He was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tyrone Tracy, who the Steelers just saw. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: had a concussion upgraded to limited Thursday. So that's a

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Speaker 3: good sign for him. What you want, that's what you want.

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Speaker 3: You wanted to get through that. Now Tomorrow is going

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Speaker 3: to be the big day. Does he get at least

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Speaker 3: another limited Tomorrow or a full participation and then get

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Speaker 3: cleared on probably Saturday to play.

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Speaker 2: He's much better than Singletary in my opinion, Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: think he's one of the best draft picks out of

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Speaker 2: this class. They're not fantasy even relevant, you know. I

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Speaker 2: think that he's six round draft right, Yeah, fifth or six. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: former receiver, still getting his legs under him, learning absolutely. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Brian Robinson Junior with a hamstring injury limited at practice

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Speaker 2: That's a guy I always sell short. I think he's

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Speaker 2: kind of boring, but he's consistent and good too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's very much the Alabama running backs. Jacob's Jacob's Nause Robinson.

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Speaker 2: They're all tough as hell. They all have the same

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Speaker 2: build and make up and all that stuff. Like they're

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Speaker 2: all bigger dudes, and they all run hard. They're all

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Speaker 2: four or five star recruits. They all had to work

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Speaker 2: hard to get on the field. Like I remember a

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Speaker 2: quick story, like when I was at pitt in recruiting,

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Speaker 2: we recruited the city of Miami heavily Antonio Briant. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we got ten guys out of there every recruiting class.

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Speaker 2: But we were also in the Big East with the

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Speaker 2: So all these five stars get there and then there

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, there's Portois mcgaee. You know, like six

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Speaker 2: that's Brian Robinson, that's Jacobs. You know, like you go

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Speaker 2: to Bama as a running back, you might not see

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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels with that rib injury limited again on Thursday,

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Speaker 3: Brian Thomas with a chest injury limited practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: The problem is, again it's a chest injury. If he

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Speaker 2: But Kirk's not there. I mean he's the number one

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Speaker 2: They're kind of must win situation too. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I think they're sellers either way. They've traded their left tackle,

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Bigsby, he was limited on Thursday with an

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Speaker 3: Xavier Lagette with a toe injury added to the injury

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Speaker 2: He would have been one of the guys that the

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Speaker 2: don't know that Theason will be there much longer. He's

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Brooks full participant on Thursday for them. Wow, I

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Speaker 3: would not start him this week, but I'd be interested.

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Speaker 3: Adam Thelam with that hamstring limited again on Thursday. He

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Speaker 3: still hasn't been activated. I don't believe off the IR.

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Speaker 2: His age and haven't seen him all year. It'd help

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Speaker 3: Alan Lazard placed on IR with that chest injury. Uh,

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Speaker 2: He's now definitely the three. They also don't only have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking at some of the other stuff, here's not

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Speaker 3: social media, actually on the on the ex Twitter about

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Speaker 3: starting Tank Dell tonight. I'm like, I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: I don't love it either. He doesn't look right.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't look right, and he's the only the only

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's in my top twenty five. No,

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Speaker 2: I mean I love the player, I just think he's

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Speaker 2: he hasn't gotten as much action as a result of it. Now,

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Speaker 2: also get far more attention. Yeah, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if sascle travel or what. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: it boosts him as much as you'd like. If you're

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Speaker 2: a Tank Dell owner, it might even be a great

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Speaker 2: time to trade him. Yeah before kickoff the night, Right,

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Speaker 2: that's not a bad idea either. Let's just do so.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I did this week in

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Speaker 3: our league, and I'm I was in a pretty good spot.

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Speaker 3: I'm five and three, and I started looking ahead some

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Speaker 3: of the guys who have lesser records, like I'm open

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Speaker 3: for business. I'll you know, every anybody is, nobody's untouchable.

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Speaker 2: On my team. I did that last night in my

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Speaker 2: Dynasty league. I spent like or all my Dynasty leagues,

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Speaker 3: Because this is the time of year, much like we're

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Speaker 3: talking about the trade deadline in the NFL, that those

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Speaker 2: That's actually one of my favorite parts about Dynasty, because

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Speaker 2: I'm offering them draft picks. Yeah, you know, young guys.

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Speaker 3: So the trade that I ended up making was to

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Speaker 3: acquire Brecee Hall. Yeah, but I also got Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: He made a big deal.

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Speaker 3: But I traded JK. Dobbins, Brock Bowers, and Drake London.

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Speaker 3: Bowers would be my concern until I looked at the

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Speaker 3: schedules for all six players. And I looked at the schedule.

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Speaker 3: Breese hall schedule during Fantasy playoffs eat time is really soft,

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Speaker 3: really soft. Marvin Harrison's schedule is really soft. Jake Ferguson's schedule,

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Speaker 3: I didn't care so much about it. I also have

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Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts. Yeah, so I have I have a backup plan.

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Speaker 2: This is it coming on? Yeah, I mean Bowers was

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Speaker 2: one of the Probably Bowers in London were your two biggest.

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Speaker 3: have to if I end up starting Pits, because Bowers

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Speaker 3: was going to be part of this trade package, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to start Pits. I don't want to have Pitts

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Speaker 3: and London in the same line.

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Speaker 2: Game all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can go really bad and all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden you just take two doughnuts. But looking at their

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Speaker 3: the schedules like Bowers down the stretch play some some

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Speaker 3: to like I think they have Denver and and some

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Speaker 3: that and go, you know, he's gonna draw a number

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Speaker 3: one cornerback in this situation, and I don't love it.

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Speaker 2: I know you can find this information out there too,

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Speaker 2: of like tight strength of schedule versus tight ends remaining

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Speaker 3: Well specifically, I was looking at the playoffs that that

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Speaker 3: two or three game stretch in the playoffs, like who

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Speaker 3: do they got that week?

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Speaker 2: And you think you'll be in the playoffs and and

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 3: Right, So that's one of the things you want to

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Speaker 3: These guys that like one of the things that that

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Speaker 2: A Salden Calbrock buyer.

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Speaker 3: And to talk it over, right, I got the best

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Speaker 3: I gave up two good players. But Marvin Harrison, I

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Speaker 2: But I got the black he gave up.

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Speaker 2: So I bring up Dynasty a lot because I really

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Speaker 3: But you're not trying to shake things up. You're just trying.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're two and six, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: You know what doesn't mean you should trade Tyree Hill now? Right?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, we were talking on Sunday morning, like, why

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Speaker 2: When Twig is back? Right?

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Speaker 3: Unless you're you get the world for him? And he

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Speaker 3: You have to sit and wait because he had traded

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Speaker 2: It's going to cost the same thing it did on

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Speaker 3: And I think one of the guys that I trade,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a playoff week. Yeah, like dump your

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Jean, you know there must be some

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Speaker 2: this year that fantasy playoffs are not available. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: They don't care about that. Let me let's just we're

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Speaker 2: That, let's pull the NFL schedule. Grid's. At least there

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Speaker 3: There are teams on by in those fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Playoffs this year. Yeah, I think you're pretty sure Atlanta

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Speaker 3: It might be Week fourteen. There's somebody on a buy

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Speaker 3: Week fourteen, Denver, Indianapolis, New England, Washington, Baltimore, Houston.

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Speaker 3: If I got them, I'm riding. I got Lamar, Yeah, Henry,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to have him in the first round

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Speaker 2: I'd better get a buye and some days don't even

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Speaker 2: you could have you could have Lamar and Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Henry and Taylor have nothing. You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose, right,

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Speaker 2: you were going to lose. Now that's a problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: fantasy I mean that's a bit of a glitch. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: The NFL embraces fantasy football, and then the schedule maker

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Speaker 2: Not to mention in the real world, I would hate that.

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Speaker 2: week thirteen. They should be closer. I mean any team

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Speaker 3: the week fourteen thing is really Week twelve is Atlanta, Buffalo, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: eighteen Yeah? No, is that right? Week seventeen the super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: And there's buys that week, yeah, six of them, A

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Speaker 3: Would really consider trading Henry or Lamar before my before

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Speaker 2: Look like, I'm gonna get an offer on my phone

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Speaker 2: But if not, you don't want to be You're gonna

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Speaker 2: I know Baltimore, New England. New England's not bad, and

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Speaker 2: Baltimore has got two studs.

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Speaker 3: Denver, Indianapolis, New England, Washington.

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Speaker 2: Denver's not horrible indies, so so Washington could be bad.

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Speaker 2: So there's ten high profile fantasy guys off week one

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Speaker 2: A boatload Like you're not gonna get something back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get a boatload of players back and

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Speaker 3: they're not gonna be on buy during the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Woof. But you should have known that going in. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But anyways, let's get through a break. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the

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Speaker 3: drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll

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Speaker 1: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lowie. He is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. There's only one except no imitations. Matt

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Speaker 3: looking here at the thirty third team. Now they have

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Speaker 3: their mid season all Rookie team.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: This has some relevance to the Steelers as you might

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Speaker 3: imagine a quarterback. They have Jayden and Daniels. I think

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Speaker 2: Bar and away. Yeah, slam dunk. He's gonna win Rookie

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Speaker 2: of the Year. Maybe he doesn't play on our snap. Yeah.

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00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,400
Speaker 2: Even as great as Neighbors has been, you.

434
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Speaker 3: Know, at running back with Bucky Irving, Tracy's making a push,

435
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 3: Tracy's making a put. Tracy could end up sneaking that

436
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,719
Speaker 3: away from him. Irving's been impressive, he's been good. The

437
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 3: top two Benson and Brooks have hardly played. Yeah, I

438
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 3: mean there was other things can get on the field,

439
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 3: but you knew that kind of going into it. Marshaun Lloyd,

440
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 3: Marshawn Lloyd hasn't been a big No, it's.

441
00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 2: Not a strong rookie position. Now, I bet Tracy the two. Yeah,

442
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean Tracy hasn't there's a lot of time. First month,

443
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 2: he didn't do anything. Yeah, you know.

444
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 3: At wide receiver, Brian Thomas mhmm, and Malik Neighbors.

445
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: I say Neighbors is the easy one. I think mcconki,

446
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 2: you will make a push. I don't think Harrison's done

447
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 2: with this conversation, but if it's up till now, those

448
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 2: are the two.

449
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, Harris, they picked Harrison as well.

450
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 2: They took three receivers like that. There you go. He

451
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: would be my third yea.

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Tight end is brock Bowers. That's easily, pretty yeah,

453
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: pretty simple. You take one in the top ten. That's

454
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Speaker 3: how you're supposed to use them as offensive line. At tackle,

455
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: Joe Alt.

456
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: Missed a little time, but he's been really good. Yeah,

457
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: j C. Latham, Okay, the first round tackles have been

458
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: injured or not great. Yeah. Yeah.

459
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: At guard Dominic Pooney, Yeah, and then Jackson powers Johnson

460
00:20:59,560 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 3: with the raid.

461
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 2: He seems like he's been a part time player though

462
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 2: he's been hurt. He's been some injuries. I can't think

463
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: any other guards, though there they.

464
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: Said that the second guard spot was difficult to choose,

465
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 3: as no one besides Poony has quite played up to

466
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 3: all rookie standard.

467
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm made sure how many true starters there are.

468
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: Mace McCormick could have been that guy.

469
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: It might be by the end of the year. By

470
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: the end of the year. I like his chances. Yeah.

471
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Speaker 3: In fact, I think he kind of got overlooked here

472
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Speaker 3: because I think he probably has as many starts as

473
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Speaker 3: powers Johnson.

474
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Speaker 2: Probably probably pretty close. Yeah, so keep an eye on that.

475
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: We're coming to center here though. Yes, missing two games,

476
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Fraser on the field definitely would

477
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: be my pick. But Barton hasn't missed any time, and

478
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: he's been really good, and nine out of ten years

479
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: he would be the rookie center.

480
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Speaker 3: I'm curious who they picked Zach Fraser as here's what

481
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Speaker 3: I said. Zach Fraser's missed the last two games with

482
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Speaker 3: an ankle injury, but his tape from the first six

483
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 3: weeks was elite.

484
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: It was elite.

485
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: He's delivered an absurd number of knockdowns in the run game.

486
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: In his one point nine four percent pressure rate against

487
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: the pass is the lowest among rookie the lowest among

488
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 3: rookie offensive linemen, not just centers, I know lineman.

489
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: So we did the All Pro conversation last hour. I

490
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: almost mentioned him with the centers, but the Football.

491
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: Focus has him as the second highest graded center in

492
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Speaker 3: the league.

493
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Speaker 2: I just didn't because he missed two games. But if

494
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: he had those two games, I think he's not. I

495
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: think he's in the Creed Humphrey level, you know, so

496
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: far right.

497
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: So that's what you're getting coming back to this offense

498
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: coming out of the break.

499
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice.

500
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: That's not a bad. McCormick's in the mix too, and

501
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: he's got Yeah, those two have worked together. They're, you know,

502
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: buddies there. It's that's going to be a tandem for

503
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: the next maybe decade decade. Yeah, the Castro and Pouncy. Yeah,

504
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 3: who knows. Uh.

505
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 2: At edge, Jared Verse with the Rams, I think he's

506
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: my defensive rookie of the year. He's been really good.

507
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: The other edge is lay two with the Colts. Okay,

508
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: that's who was my preseason pick was.

509
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's been in the rotation and it's a

510
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: bad defensive draft from what you remember. It doesn't mean

511
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: they're bad defensive rookies, but it was not an elite

512
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: defensive draft. The three technique they picked Iron Murphy. Yeah,

513
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: I missed time, but he's been a difference maker. Yeah,

514
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: he's good.

515
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: A nose tackle to and Andre Sweat, he's been been

516
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 3: a really good Yeah.

517
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: I didn't approve of the pick. I'm like, just to

518
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 2: run stuff or he's been a fourth.

519
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: He would have looked really good in the middle of

520
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 3: the Steelers DA.

521
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean we've talked to maybe more

522
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: off the air than on, but I think that's a

523
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: target for me. That's something like.

524
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 3: That's how I would approach next year's draft. I wouldn't draft.

525
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go looking for an end right as much

526
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: as I would a nose tackle. And you can get

527
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: those guys third round, fourth round somewhere in there. We

528
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 3: haven't really had there. Sweat was what third round pick?

529
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: Now, he's real early, second early, that's right, Which that's

530
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: why I was like, man, that's early. I thought that

531
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 2: I didn't think that would work out for where he

532
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: was gone. I thought he'd go in the third. Yeah,

533
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: we haven't even had this conversation, but trade deadline, I

534
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: would consider a nose and make Benton. This is a

535
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: much bigger conversation for this segment. But they felt all

536
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: those problems stopping the inside run and Nickel, well, if

537
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: it's Benton and Hayward, that's not so bad, you know

538
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: what I mean, and keep balking up a little bit.

539
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: Adams doesn't do back anytime soon. I'd like to see

540
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: Benton as an end, yeah, you know, so I would

541
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Speaker 2: consider if there's a nose out there that's cheap, that's

542
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: a run stuffer for twenty five plays a game.

543
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Speaker 3: That being said, I mean Benton has to He's great,

544
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: playing the pass, great and penetrating. Yeah, he could be

545
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: more stout at the point of attack.

546
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, That's why I think he's more of an end

547
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: than a nose. Yeah. And he's just a work in

548
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: progress in general too.

549
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 3: At linebacker Edgrian Cooper with the Packers, yeah, and Peyton

550
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: Wilson with the Steelers.

551
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: I was straining, I'm like, who's really lighting it up?

552
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: As they say.

553
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: Wilson's rookie season has been similar to Cooper's, with slightly

554
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: less extreme highs and lows. He hasn't been a full

555
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: time starter, but he's taken advantage of his opportunities, and

556
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: his snap counts have gradually increased each week.

557
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: That's because they played more Nickels. Yeah, but he still

558
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: is a thirty snap a week guy for eight weeks

559
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: in a row, and he shows up. Oh, he shows up. Yeah,

560
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think the competition is a real STIFFI

561
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: off the ball linebacker. Yeah, bad draft, and I can't

562
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: think anyone that's really tearing it up.

563
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: Wilson fell in the draft primarily for medical reasons, but

564
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: if he can stay healthy, the Steelers got incredible value

565
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: in the third round.

566
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: No question, no question. I mean that's shown up every

567
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: step of the way. Yea from Minnigamp till now. At cornerback,

568
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: they got QUINNYA. Mitchell. He'd been really good too. I

569
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: think he'd be my second vote for defensive Rookie the year.

570
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: Rinardo Green with the forty nine Ers.

571
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the kid out of Florida that way. Yeah. Yeah.

572
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 3: And then another guy that liked, we liked the lot

573
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: was Drew Phillips with the Giants and Nickel real good.

574
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 2: Steelers didn't shy away from him though.

575
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 3: No.

576
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: I might take Cooper Dejane at Nickel. He's been really

577
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: good too. He hasn't played as many snaps. He hasn't, No,

578
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: but he's starting to come on real strong lately. The

579
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: Eagles defense has been a lot better the last couple

580
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: of weeks. I think he's a big reason why. At safety.

581
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: Evan Williams with the Packers, okay, he was like they

582
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: brought in like five safeties. Yeah, and he was the

583
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: one I knew least about. Yeah, he's been good. And

584
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: Tyke Smith with the Buccaneers.

585
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: He also does a lot of slots. Yeah. I think

586
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: he got hurt last week. He did. Yea, he's smaller,

587
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: but he's had a really good concussion in Week seven. Yeah. Okay, uh,

588
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: that's what they that's all their picks.

589
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: But certainly, you know, by the time the season is over,

590
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: I could see the Steelers having one more guy in

591
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: that list.

592
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: McCormick, No, okay, I thought it was with somebody we

593
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: didn't bring up. Yeah, I can see him having three

594
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: guys on the all rookie team. Sure, Night's getting Fraser back. Yeah,

595
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean you get three rookies on the three. I mean,

596
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: if this draft mimics Omar's first draft, I mean I'm

597
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: sure Porter Benton Roderick Jones would have all been considered

598
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: at this point last year or at the end of

599
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: last year.

600
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: And look at the jump that Washington has taken this year, right,

601
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: Darnell Washington was an Oka blocker last year. Yeah, he's

602
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: killing people this year.

603
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Now he's catching the ball. Now he's catching the ball. Yeah.

604
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's been killing people in the run game.

605
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: That's what that has opened up, because nobody expects him

606
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: to ever go out for a pass, right because he

607
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: blocks so well.

608
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna get Trice back from that class. Maybe you

609
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: mentioned herbig who's already a really good player. Yeah, you know,

610
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking big picture. You string two B

611
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: plus drafts together, you're gonna be good for a while,

612
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, unless you're terrible quarterback or something

613
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: like that. But I mean, you put two good drafts together,

614
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen as much in the league as you think. No,

615
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: it's that are like top ten in there in the

616
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: two years in a row.

617
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And last year's draft, I mean it was either

618
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: voted one or two by pretty much everybody on the

619
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: day it happened. On the day it happened, that held

620
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: up held out right. This year's draft might be as impactful.

621
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: Maybe you only have the first round pick, and.

622
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: Your first round pick has missed the entire the entire

623
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: season might yeah.

624
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: To be seen later. I mean, if he's as good

625
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: as Frasier, forget about it. I mean he rights out

626
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: of the line, could be phenomenal. Yeah, for a long time,

627
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: assuming he plays right now, for a long time, it

628
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: could be yeah. Yeah.

629
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 3: So, I mean these two drafts have been very impactful.

630
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: They've gotten a lot of good players out of players.

631
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes we don't know where Roman Wilson is yet. Yeah,

632
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: these guys slipping the draft for whatever reason, it doesn't matter.

633
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: You know, Washington was a knee last year.

634
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: There's also a million tight ends drafted that ye yeah,

635
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 2: same thing with Wilson this year. You know, a knee.

636
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you get five good years out

637
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: of him, you get five good years out of the player.

638
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, whatever it is, you know, or maybe what

639
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: it bothered Washington last year and won't ever again, you

640
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean, who knows? I mean everyone someone

641
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: are different, Like a lot of doctors will tell you.

642
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: I think he's a contract guy. You know, he's gonna

643
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: be lucky to get to that fourth year and still

644
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: be the athlete he is now, or yeah, you're just

645
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: gonna have to wait six months untill he's regular you,

646
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: until he's back. You know, Okay, well I can't take

647
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: him a second. I'll take him a third. Here's what's

648
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: happened to me.

649
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: And people look at this and well, you know, Omar

650
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: has done such a better job than Kevin Colbert, and

651
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: I don't think it's apples to apples or because well,

652
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: times have changed your MAK, times have changed your MAC.

653
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: You don't see that.

654
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: You don't see teams giving out four year contracts anymore

655
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: in free agency. It used to be if you were

656
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: if you were offering a guy in free agency a contract,

657
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: they weren't taking anything under four years. And also now

658
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: you're seeing guys take two years deals or three year deals, right,

659
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: and that's what they want to do.

660
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. The players want those.

661
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: It's also easier now or then. That doesn't mean Kevin

662
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: did the works job. There was more hits in the

663
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: sixth and seventh round than there are now. The draft

664
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: has changed over the last couple week.

665
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: It's also if you look at those teams that Kevin

666
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: had especially early. They were always maxed out to the

667
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: cap every year because they had the stars, so many stars, right.

668
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: You couldn't go, We'll pick up a garden for you eight.

669
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: But they didn't want to get rid of James Harrison

670
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty twelve or twenty thirty three.

671
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Graves the one that always comes to mind.

672
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't want to get rid of hard Grave,

673
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: but they couldn't afford him.

674
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: It was to it and Hayward, two stars making money.

675
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: The other think that Kevin had good and bad. It's

676
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: a great problem to have many of his years. He's

677
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: drafting with Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, which means you're drafting late.

678
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: You're also drafting His average draft pick was twenty fourth

679
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: or lower for a little more a little difficult, like but.

680
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you at least knew who your quarterback was.

681
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: You didn't have to be like so many of these teams.

682
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: And I don't think the Steelers will ever be that situation.

683
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: I know they took pick it in the first round,

684
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: but I don't think they're going.

685
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: To be taking quarterback they took in the first round

686
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: since Terry Bradshaw. Well, no, I saw, I'm sorry, there

687
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: was a. They took Bradshaw, then they took.

688
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: Henraddy was before him, right, so somebody in the seventi

689
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: zone he was, Yeah, it was at nine. Mark Malone.

690
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Mar Malone was supposed to be Bradshaw's brain freezing. Yeah,

691
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be the next one.

692
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: Those are the three quarterbacks they've taken in the modern era.

693
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: The modern era in the NFL takes you back to

694
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy.

695
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: So what as I say about Kevin and Ben though,

696
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: is he was never rarely in the position of man,

697
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: we might have to trade next year's first and next

698
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: year's first to go to the sixth pick in the

699
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: draft to go take Daniel Jones and hope he hits.

700
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not That's not a good way to do business.

701
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: Not a good way to do business. But his average

702
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: draft pick that they earned was twenty four overall. And

703
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: you were always you never got I always alt to

704
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: kick out, like the Patriots and Steelers of that era

705
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: in a very good offensive tackles, they don't get there.

706
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: They don't get the twenty four. You know, you don't

707
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: get edge guys that easily. Either. Steelers did because they

708
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: for the years that was the argument at cornerback.

709
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: Why can't they get a cornerback their cornerback, like those

710
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: three positions, go pick it with twenty sixth every year.

711
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Like the six to two guy with super long arms

712
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: that runs a four to three at corner, isn't there

713
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: twenty You're.

714
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: Not getting a chance of Patrick Peterson. You're not getting

715
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: Joe Hayden.

716
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: No, exactly. Those guys go top ten. That's why the

717
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: defense was manufactured the way it was. You know, we

718
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: can't get corners.

719
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: But you know, the league has shifted so much where

720
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: we see more trades at the trade deadline, we see

721
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: movement like that, We see guys get into free agency

722
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: more than they used to. That those things happen though,

723
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: like people teams don't want to use the franchise tag anymore.

724
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: No, it used to be when.

725
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: The franchise tag first start, there'd be like twelve or

726
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: thirteen guys get franchised.

727
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Now it's like five way less fifty your options to Yeah,

728
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: it's just not as conducive now.

729
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it used to be the player right right right.

730
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: You know people talk about it with Nagis. You know,

731
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: why didn't they pick up Nay's contract? They first of

732
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: all fully guarantees that not only.

733
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: Hurt in week one, you'd be really unhappy. But it

734
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: doesn't all.

735
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't just fully guarantee the last year of the

736
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 3: contract because once you pick it, once you full you

737
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: do that, you fully guarantee basically two years because you're.

738
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: Not going to cut the Yeah, right right, you're fully

739
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: guaranteeing both year four and year five. YEP, I was

740
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: gonna kick out of that out like Lamar's contract or whatever, like, well,

741
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: how much it's guarantee you're not gonna cut him, right,

742
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's not gonna get caught. Yeah, Mahomes

743
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: is getting caught. Yeah.

744
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: The other thing about the contract with Nause, it was

745
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: six point seven million dollars this.

746
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: Year to pick up the fifty year option.

747
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: Right, So let's say the Steelers go to him after

748
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: this season and say, Najie, we love you, we want

749
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: you to be back next year. Let's say it's three years,

750
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars. People are gonna look at that and say,

751
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: what it cost them three point three million dollars for

752
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: next year?

753
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: No, it didn't. And also that thought very much.

754
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, his tap hit next year, even if

755
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: he signed a three year, thirty million dollar extension contract.

756
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Next guy.

757
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: Next year is not going to be ten million dollars.

758
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: Next year is going to probably be less than the

759
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: six point seven million dollars that you were you were

760
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: gonna pay him. And even if he signed it and

761
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: he's happy about it because you gave him a ten

762
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: million dollars signing, right.

763
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: But it's a huge ship. Make it more right, right, right,

764
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: And if he falls off a cliff, you could probably

765
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: get out of that last deal, right, and it won't

766
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: hurt you. Yeah, you know what I mean by the

767
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: structure of it. You know, yeah, right now, I think

768
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: with some hindsight on Halloween Day, if you said, should

769
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: they have picked it up, I'd say yes, I'd.

770
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: Say no because of the reason I just gave.

771
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you're saying too. I can probably I.

772
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: Can probably get him cheaper than six point seven million

773
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: dollars next cap with the cap hit.

774
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure he can. I'm sure he can because you

775
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: give him league minimum and a ten million dollars his salar.

776
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: His base salary is going to be a million dollars.

777
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: Let's say he gets ten million dollars signing.

778
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Buss fifty.

779
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: There's still six million dollars. It's cheaper than what you

780
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: would have paid him on. Yeah, and it's not fully guaranteed.

781
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: It's not fully guaranteed. My big concern was if you

782
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: if you would have given him at the fifth and

783
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: he blows out his knee in week one, that was

784
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: the That was that problem, and that position gets hurt,

785
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: you know, more than most. Why I said I might

786
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: do it now is because I know I got a

787
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: half a year out of him at least, you know

788
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: what I mean, And that's been really it's been even

789
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: better than expected. Yeah, but you can't do it now.

790
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: But right at the time I had no problem with yeah, right, But.

791
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: People took that and looked at it, like the Steelers

792
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: didn't like Nausey.

793
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't pick up his fifty year up.

794
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: Look at all the players in the first round from

795
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: the last two drafts that didn't get their fifty year

796
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: option picked up.

797
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: I wonder how many running backs are because the rules changed. Yeah, yeah,

798
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's like ten out of thirty two now. Yeah,

799
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: And it's like Jamar Chase.

800
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: And so because that fifty year option is now basically

801
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: the franchise tag. If he's if he's made a Pro Bowl. Nag,

802
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: he's made a Pro Bowl, right, And it's not that

803
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: hard to make a Pro Bowl, right, So that escalades

804
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: right away. I mean this the no brainer Jamar chases

805
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: justin Jefferson gets them picked up.

806
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, most don't.

807
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: Most don't now because the rules, it used to be

808
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: your top ten picks were guaranteed because you know, and

809
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 3: then after that it was it was slotted in at

810
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: a much lower price. So everybody got their fifty year

811
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: unless you were terrible. Yeah, you got your fifty year

812
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: option picked up. With the new CBA, that's out the window.

813
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: So I mentioned yesterday after the deontaepe trade, it's pretty

814
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: clear to me that Caroline is the worst organization and

815
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: I killed him on Draft day. We had to move

816
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: into the first round and get the fifty year option

817
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: on the get. Why why would you give anything up

818
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: to go through two picks to get leget or.

819
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: Just so you got in the first round unless they

820
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: thought Kansas City or Somebody's gonna take him.

821
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: Right, maybe they would have, and maybe they would have,

822
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: but there was like four receivers Pearsall and Coleman woman

823
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: ended up going to their pick Buffalo's like, we'll go

824
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: to thirty three or thirty four.

825
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: By the way, all that talk about, I can't believe

826
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: the league let the Chiefs get worthy.

827
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: How's that working.

828
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: He's been okay, fine, but he's not like tearing the

829
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: cover off the defenses every week.

830
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: No, I might rather Coleman. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's

831
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: been okay.

832
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: I heard that a thousand times. I can't believe the

833
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: league let the Chiefs get the fastest player in the draft.

834
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Well there's a reason. Yeah, he's got works. I mean,

835
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: he's skinny as a rail when he can't cut off man, right,

836
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: he's not tight of a great career, but he's not

837
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: had a great rookie years.

838
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: A better version of Michole Hartman right now.

839
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's not Tyreek, No, no, no, for sure,

840
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: Tyreek made a bigger impact his rookie year. I don't

841
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: remember his rookie year.

842
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: Was he wasn't a star, but he was good because

843
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: he was a running back slash. Yeah, he made he

844
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: made plays every week.

845
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: I don't remember his rookie year.

846
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, but really that was the thirty We went through

847
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: all kinds of whole stuff. That's what we do though.

848
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: This is free form jazz radio. In case you if

849
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: you're a new listener to.

850
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: The show, this is what we do. We need a

851
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: lot of structure.

852
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: We don't talk before we sit down to start talking.

853
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: We just start talking. I never know, We never know.

854
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't even know half the time. I just

855
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: carry the ball up up the court. Yeah.

856
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Today I did a little more prep than usual, just

857
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: because I knew we had no guess and it's a byeway. Yeah, yeah,

858
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: so I did a little bit more prepped.

859
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: Typically no opponent to talk about.

860
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: I did want to talk about that nause thing though,

861
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: because somebody had asked me about that.

862
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: In our comments. So, yeah, the we do reply to

863
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: the comments, the whole thing that you laid out too,

864
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: like you're going to get him a lesser cap hit

865
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: next year ninety Yeah, if you want them.

866
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: If you want them, right, And at this point, I

867
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 3: don't know why they wouldn't.

868
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't either, you know.

869
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: Now, it's just a question does he want to come

870
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: back here? I would imagine he does, and what offers

871
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: are out there for and what he may.

872
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Want to say. I want to test the market. That's fine,

873
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: you know, give us a running back draft too. If

874
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: you go somewhere else, we'll get the comp pick and

875
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: use a third round pick on the kid from North

876
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: Carolina or whatever. Yeah, it give us, you know, first,

877
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: the hearty position. Not fine.

878
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's been really good. Absolutely, let's get through

879
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: a break. He is Matt Williams and I'm Dale Lolly.

880
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

881
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: Matt and I'll be back to finish up the show

882
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: right after this.

883
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

884
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

885
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

886
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly.

887
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

888
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: and Matt. Last night I put something out on the ex.

889
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: Twitter isn't like to call it, and it was about

890
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson, something with Russell Wilson, and somebody from Denver

891
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: tweeted back at me, was well, he's had one good

892
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: game and just wait the old Russ is going to

893
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: come back.

894
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: And you guys keep them on them. Yeah.

895
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: First of all, it's been two good games, so your

896
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: your thesis has already been proven wrong.

897
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: And then I just told him to go away as trouble.

898
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: What I should have said to him is that, hey, uh,

899
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: Steelers are paying him a million dollars this year and

900
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: the Broncos are paying him thirty nine.

901
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: Who's happy here?

902
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's already led this team to two victories.

903
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: That's worth a million dollars. At the quarterback, now.

904
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: That's worth a million bucks. Yeah. You would pay a

905
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: million bucks of victory every day of the week in

906
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: this league.

907
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: And they've paid five hundred thousand dollars per victory basically

908
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: so far.

909
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: And it's getting cheaper. Is it's getting cheaper as they

910
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: go game? Right? Yeah?

911
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, Steelers beat the Broncos earlier

912
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: this year, so there's that without him without him, right,

913
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 3: So there's.

914
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: Two on that.

915
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: A little bit Broncos fan, uh, trying to troll me,

916
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: But no, I bring this up because Aaron Shotts has

917
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: put together a little piece here on on ESPN.

918
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: Shots does of course the the d v o A

919
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: rankings as well on FTN. Yeah.

920
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: Five players who are whose deals this offseason are working out. Yeah,

921
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: they were signing the off season in five that didn't

922
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley.

923
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: That's a hit that's a that's done. I think he's

924
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 2: the highest second highest paid running back. But you're happy

925
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: about it. They're happy. Yeah.

926
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: Stefan Gilmour with the Vikings.

927
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, quietly, and they got him super late. Yeah, he's

928
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: been stressed a lot and he's playing really well. Derek

929
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Henry with the Ravens. Yeah, yeah, that's been good.

930
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: Danielle Hunter with the Texans.

931
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean they they swapped Greener greenerd for Hunter, but

932
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: if you just look at his contract and what they're

933
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: getting out of them, their thrilled.

934
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: And Dante A. Jackson with the Steelers. Now that was a.

935
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: Trade trade, but it was an off season acquisition. Yeah.

936
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't taking draft picks, but it was

937
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: an off season acquisition. He's been quite good.

938
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: But that very easily could have been Russell Wilson. Now

939
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: he probably wasn't because he's only played two games.

940
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: At the right point, say, if you do it in

941
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: a month, get Wilson for nothing is pretty Dard Knives.

942
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, five players whose deals haven't worked out.

943
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: I would thrown Darnold in there too. I'm trying to

944
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: think of like quarterbacks that some good ones this year. Yeah.

945
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again that movement that we didn't used to

946
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: see quarterbacks, especially started happening more and more often in

947
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: the NFL.

948
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, maybe Jameis Winston's going to be one, maybe

949
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: better than the guy they had.

950
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis with the Jaguars has not worked on And

951
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 3: we said that, say.

952
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: One second, he got signed like day one, Like, that's

953
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: just such a ten.

954
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: Million dollars a year for Gabe Davis is bonkers.

955
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: I made the joke because that's not even that much.

956
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: Minutes after that happened, I'm like, Oh, he'll get he's

957
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: a perfect jag. He'll get cut in two years from

958
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 2: being a terrible contract. They do it all the time.

959
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: The guy he traded, Calvin Ridley with the Titans, expensive expensive,

960
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 3: and they had they they four years, ninety two million

961
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 3: dollars and they can't throw them the football.

962
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said one good game and it happened to

963
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: be last week. But they spent so much money and

964
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: they're one of the worst three teams in the league,

965
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. Tyron Smith with the Jets, Yeah, I

966
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: think he looks shot.

967
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: He's stiff, and he said they shouldn't be like when

968
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: the Cowboys didn't want to bring him back.

969
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: I mean medical history. He's really extensive. Yeah, and they

970
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: know better than anybody. Yeah, bad organizations do bad stuff.

971
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift with the Bears. That's changing though, that hasn't

972
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: been awful. No, that shocked me because I think he

973
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: was the first announced player to sign at twelve oh

974
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: one or four to oh one that day.

975
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though it was only three years, twenty

976
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: four million, it wasn't insane Conrad, right, and he's guaranteed.

977
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: He's come on strong. Yeah. And one of the theories

978
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: I believe in is if you have an all purpose

979
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: back with a rookie quarterback, I don't mind overpaying him

980
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: a little bit. Like when lev Bell was on the market.

981
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, if he's gonna go to a team,

982
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna make the rookie quarterback's life so much easier

983
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: behind him. Okay, there's that's a security blanket.

984
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: But if you could get Nausey for that same contract,

985
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 3: you'd be like, yes, sign me up.

986
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, your years twenty four million, Yeah all right, you won't. Yeah,

987
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: that's not an insane deal, right, because like Ramandre Stevenson's

988
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: one I was thinking about with he signed right before

989
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: the year at like ten, yeah, which I think they're

990
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: okay with. I mean, I think that's just the going rate.

991
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: But if I'm nause I want a little more than that. Yeah,

992
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: I mean that's jumping off point. Yeah. Concerning the year he's.

993
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: Had Trae Davious White with the Rams, who didn't.

994
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: See that guy? That's an easy one though.

995
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: I mean he's I don't think he was expensive then

996
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: one year four point three million.

997
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still chasing ghosts on that one. Yeah.

998
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: I mean he hasn't been good in five years.

999
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: He's been hurt a lot. Yeah. And even though his

1000
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: first round pick he was not the six to two

1001
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: hundred pounds long arm four to three guy. You know,

1002
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: he was a little undersize technician.

1003
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: But there are some Steeler fans who would put Patrick

1004
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: Queen on that list, and I'm.

1005
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: Not there yet. I know I'm not there yet. No,

1006
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: I think he's gotten a lot better. And boy, that

1007
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: was a position of worry for since you's ear. Yeah,

1008
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: and those guys are hard to find. Yeah, Yeah, I

1009
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't know what other Steelers are worth discussing. Jackson was

1010
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: on the list. Jackson was on the list. I think

1011
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: he has to bring up fields in Both quarterbacks have

1012
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: worked out perfectly fine, especially when you equate what you

1013
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: paid for them. Yeah, you're happy with Van Jefferson. You're

1014
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: happy with Deshaun Elliott very Yeah, that's the top of

1015
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: the list almost.

1016
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: I probably would have put him on there, not that

1017
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: Jackson hasn't been good, but I might have put him

1018
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: on there ahead of Jackson.

1019
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you had to give something up for Jackson too.

1020
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: That's a factor in. You're happy with all the Arthur

1021
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: Smith falcons. I mean none of them are Julio Jones,

1022
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: but I mean they're contributed to Prewitt Patterson, who had

1023
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: just mentioned Ben Jefferson. You're happy they're on board, they've

1024
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: been helpful. Yeah. Then all the linemen are homegrown offensive

1025
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: except for Sam Malo. Yeah, I mean they weren't this

1026
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: year though. Yeah, Daniel audition, but yeah, lowerries to be determined. Yeah,

1027
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: and that was such a that's a minimum deal you're

1028
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: to make the team. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1029
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: I think it's about it. But all in all, there's

1030
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: not like buyer remorse, no any of them.

1031
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: No, And we've seen that before again when the Steelers

1032
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: were kind of they've been more active in the opening set,

1033
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, salvo of free agency than they have been

1034
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 3: in recent you know, and they could be. They could

1035
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: be before they could they didn't have the cap space

1036
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: before to do that.

1037
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: And it's also not good business traditionally to be the

1038
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: first guys signed. You know, you're competing with a lot

1039
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: of teams. All of a sudden, your competition for players

1040
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: falls off. You think they'll be active next year. That's

1041
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: a huge conversation. It's a huge conversation. Is one will

1042
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: have a lot of in the off season. I want

1043
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: to see how this one can continues.

1044
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: To play out. But they've got a good young nucleus.

1045
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: Now some of these guys are gonna have to start

1046
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: getting paid.

1047
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: You gotta figure out quarterback with your money. You have

1048
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: more free agents upcoming this year than you have the

1049
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: last year or two. Some of them James Daniels. You

1050
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: could live without them, I mean, the good players that

1051
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: you already have replacements in hand for.

1052
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: But I'd try to resign, Damn Moore, I would do.

1053
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: I don't have the list in front of me, but

1054
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: I looked the other day and it was not as

1055
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: bad as I remembered.

1056
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're gonna have to some point start talking

1057
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 3: about a new contract with TJ.

1058
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, and that's gonna get expensive, that's gonna yeah. Yeah,

1059
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: he's pretty valuable. He'd make on the open market. Yeah,

1060
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good.

1061
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Make it cou'd be okay, Yeah, being he do just fine.

1062
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: But uh, Matt, that's gonna do it for the show today.

1063
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: All right, people wonder what are you gonna talk about

1064
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: during the bye week?

1065
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: Got plenty to talk about during the Yeah, I'm gonna

1066
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: dig into draft prospects a little bit more. I'm gonna

1067
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: do that kind of stuff too.

1068
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: Tomorrow we'll have games and things of that nature to

1069
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: talk about, even more so than we did today.

1070
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: And as all the stuff. You guys have any suggestions

1071
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 2: something you want to know about.

1072
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: We're just answered a couple of questions that we're in

1073
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: the comments today.

1074
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we never do like mail bag or Twitter

1075
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: or any that kind of stuff, bring up stuff in

1076
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: the comments.

1077
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: I read through the comments a couple of times every

1078
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: day just to make sure nobody's calling me a moron,

1079
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: which they are, but they are.

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Speaker 2: That's reading comments is dangerous material.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like to look at the questions and answer them

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Speaker 2: as I can. Most of them are very kind usually

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Speaker 2: though typically we're big fans. You know, yeah, they wouldn't watch.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to say that, but we appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Before my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here Man Halloween,

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Speaker 3: the Justin Miller Hotline and laughing at our ugliness.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: For Tyler Viittmeyer making sure you can see our ugliness

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Speaker 3: live and in person.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly.

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Speaker 3: We thank you for listening to this edition of the

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Speaker 3: Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.