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Speaker 1: Rights the latest news and notes from the insiders who

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Speaker 3: Break it On, Break it.

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Speaker 2: On, Tukdown, Save It. Collin slam to the ground by

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Speaker 2: fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: We interrupt the war of words between Jimmy Kimmel Arizona

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Speaker 2: State alum. We'll get to that in a minute alone.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's in alone, and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: He attended some classes really.

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Speaker 2: We also interrupt all the griping in America over the

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Miami playoff game on Peacock, including a Chiefs

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Speaker 2: player himself. We'll get to that we interrupt, Danny, you'll

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Speaker 2: be intrigued to know the ascent of crypto once again,

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Speaker 2: the tanking of Boeing Stock and the arctic Arizona temperatures

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Speaker 2: that have been going on this week. Show of hands

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Speaker 2: who drove to work when it was thirty something to

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Speaker 2: grease right? I mean, you know, just the mental I

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Speaker 2: But no, we're here. We persevered. This is the very

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Speaker 2: first off season twenty twenty four edition of Cardinals Underground

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Speaker 2: Paul KELBC, Darren Herman and Danny Sirek.

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard crypto in a long long time, which

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Speaker 4: means it's time for me to make some updated bingo

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Speaker 4: cards and bring those back out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Arizona State was trending on Twitter. Let's see

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Speaker 2: show Hans who's in alone? Darren? I actually have a

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Speaker 2: what yeah, master's degree from ASU.

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Speaker 3: You never said this before because it's always cal this

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Speaker 2: So we've got our.

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Speaker 4: Own as U and col battle right here. Well it

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Speaker 4: eats Jimmy Kimmel and Aaron Rodgers col.

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Speaker 2: Battles and nothing okay, at least athletically so, but the

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Speaker 2: ASU was trending and I'm looking for it right here,

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Speaker 2: here we go. It was a Aaron Rodgers retort to

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel after Jimmy Kimmel went scorched earth on Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: and he said, Hey, I think it's impressive that a

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Speaker 4: That was the rip job from Was he talking about

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Speaker 4: Jimmy or Darren?

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Speaker 2: Darren? What are you reading off there? I always accused

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Speaker 2: Wolf of reading off the prompter. The producer, you know,

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Speaker 3: You're talking about my computer? Right, yeah, Ready, there are

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Speaker 3: always while we're recording, there always tends to be not always,

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Speaker 2: He stays in real time. So there you go. By

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Speaker 2: the way, the chiefs player defensive end Charles Amena, who

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Speaker 2: That is the conspiracy theory that NBC purposely targeted that

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Speaker 3: You're so those places are paying for peak here.

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Speaker 2: Sports Business Journal reported of just sporting events viewed in

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Speaker 2: But even NFL regular season games are outrating World Series

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Cardinals top rated game this year

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Speaker 3: That's how I'm approaching it. That's how I see it,

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Speaker 3: fine this year, you can build on what you're trying

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Speaker 4: It wasn't just because you had a new head coach.

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Speaker 4: lot of good, a lot of insight into what this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to have a direction, it's good to

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Speaker 2: So I think that the coaching staff proved that they're capable,

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Speaker 3: there were the bumpy times. But you could see it

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Speaker 2: It took time for the coaches to find the player's

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Speaker 4: What stands out about the leadership growth that we saw

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Speaker 2: Like Michael Wilson said, after the Philly win, he texted

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Speaker 2: And that's when I texted him after the Philly game.

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Speaker 2: And it was interesting to hear Rob Frederickson and Kyle

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Speaker 2: Kyler taking to heart what Jonathan Gannon has said multiple

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, and this is a selfish kind of thing,

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Speaker 4: Just after wins. It's really the losses where you notice it.

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Speaker 4: And we know how competitive and how intelligent and the

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Speaker 2: I never thought we'd see him under center thirty times

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Speaker 3: It wasn't much. And one of the things he said,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you start wondering, okay again, was this a

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Speaker 2: He didn't do the old Ted Ginn what's my quickest

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Speaker 2: yards rushing in the first half, ninety five in the

436
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 2: second half, and recently on a big red rage, we've

437
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 2: had both Trey McBride and Will Hernandez answer immediately, yes,

438
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: that is a thing wearing down a defense. We see

439
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 2: it in the fourth quarter. Guys want no part of

440
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: James Connor when they're tired, and so that and you

441
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 2: know what, it really answered one of the big questions

442
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: I had going into this year, and that is, do

443
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: you think we'd ever see Kyler in an offense similar

444
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: to the first half of twenty twenty one when they

445
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 2: had a top ten running game. For whatever reason, the

446
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 2: Cardinal Stress the running game to start twenty twenty one,

447
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: they started and zero ten and two. He was a

448
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: legit MVP candidate along with Aaron Rodgers and one other

449
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: player I forget, probably Patrick Mahomes. Those were the betting

450
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: odds at the time, and then the season went south

451
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: and it's never been the same ever since, and Kyler's

452
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: never been the same until recently. The offense had never

453
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: been the same until this staff and the second half

454
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 2: of this year where it was so balanced, and to me,

455
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: what's refreshing and Kyler uses that word makes me wonder,

456
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: is refreshing where all eyes aren't on him to do everything?

457
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: Now you do have a balanced offense where if you

458
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: want to run it forty times a game, you can,

459
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: and the Cardinals.

460
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Speaker 4: Havelf and it helped to have a strong run game,

461
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 4: considering there were so many consecutive weeks where the passing

462
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 4: game was not there, and that was before Kyler even

463
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 4: came back. Now, that was a different story. I think

464
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 4: when you had the rotating starting quarterbacks for this organization,

465
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 4: the chemistry, the accuracy, the power right, the strength that

466
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 4: was just not there the way that it is with Kyler.

467
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 4: And then when Kyler came back, there were a couple

468
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 4: of weeks where the communication and chemistry was just not there.

469
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 4: I don't think we will know if that was more

470
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 4: on separation or the routes being run, or if receivers

471
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: weren't winning their one on ones, whatever it might have been,

472
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 4: there was a stretch where you were not getting production

473
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Speaker 4: from your receivers. That changed the last two weeks of

474
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Speaker 4: the season, which is good going into the off season.

475
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Speaker 4: But the fact that you were able to have a

476
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 4: strong run game and that these defenses probably knew what

477
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 4: was coming and still the Cardinals and what three or

478
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: four times surpassed two hundred rushing yards in a game.

479
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 4: That's impressive. And you're right, Paul, it's not just I

480
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: mean James Connor, absolutely he reached the thousand yard mark,

481
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: that milestone for the first time in his career, and

482
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 4: he missed four and a half really games with an injury.

483
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 4: It's so impressive. But that also goes to the blocking

484
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 4: by your offensive line, tight ends and your receivers.

485
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Speaker 3: What I love about the running game and the crossing

486
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: two the two hundred yards four times of the year,

487
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Speaker 3: three of the last four games. What I love about that,

488
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Speaker 3: which I mean, we haven't seen that a whole lot

489
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: in all the years we've covered this. To fall, I

490
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: go back to the Super Bowl team that was last

491
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: in a league in rushing couldn't even get like eighty

492
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: yards a game or whatever it was. But one of

493
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: the things that intrigues me about those big rushing days

494
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: is it's not because your quarterback's running for eighty and

495
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: ninety and one hundred yards a game, which a lot

496
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: of times in today's NFL, if a team runs for

497
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: that many yards, that's what it is. Is because they have

498
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: a running quarterback getting all this yards on broken pass plays.

499
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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Kyler's adding to it. I don't know

500
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Speaker 3: what he had other than the thirty three yard running

501
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: the other day, although at one point I think I

502
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 3: looked and he had six carries for thirty three yards.

503
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: So obviously there were some other things around the line

504
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. But ultimately it's because the running game is

505
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: working with running backs and or Rondelle Moore.

506
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Speaker 2: You knows why Baltimore in my opinion, is the number

507
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: one seed this year and Lamar's going to win the

508
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: MVP because he's not the running game. Yeah, he's that

509
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: extra threat you know when needed. No, James Connor is

510
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: the Cardinals running game right now, and there's no question

511
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: they the car right now. Now you're right. I mean

512
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: just the one handed touchdown catch he had in Philly,

513
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: his ability to catch a ball in the flat on

514
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 2: a checkdown and make guys miss and get nearly thirty yards.

515
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: The twenty nine yard touchdown run that he left dudes

516
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: in the dust, which, by the way, to me, that's

517
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: a real sign of coaching acumen as well. My understanding

518
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: is that the twenty nine yard touchdown run, they had

519
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: run that play six or seven times. They kept coming

520
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: back to that play because it was working, So you

521
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: know what, repeat it until they stop it. And that's

522
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: exactly what they did. To me, that's good coaching. And

523
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: the last few games they it took him a little

524
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: while maybe to get the ground game on tracked and okay,

525
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: but they were sort of probing the defense. What's gonna work?

526
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: You know, is this game gonna work? Is that play

527
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: gonna work? But then once they find something and they

528
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: find that stress point in the defense, okay, here we

529
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Speaker 2: go it Just you know, I think the play call

530
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: only got better over the course of the season. Is

531
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Speaker 2: once again, like Michael Wilson said, the coaches started to

532
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: learn the strong suits and skill sets of the players.

533
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that locker room wanted a thousand

534
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: yards for James Connor that was palpable and a driving

535
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: force in that game.

536
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 3: He you need to find a balance. You want to

537
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: find a player that can be your emotional Bellweather who

538
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: is also good. It reminds me a little bit of

539
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: leadership in a lot of ways, Like you can be

540
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: a great leader, you could be built as a human

541
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: as a great leader, but on a sports team, if

542
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 3: you're like the last guy in the roster, you can

543
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: only lead so much. And I feel like the same

544
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 3: way goes with the emotion of a team. You can

545
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: be an emotional player and you can help in certain ways,

546
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: but if you're not one of the main dudes, it's

547
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: only going to have so much of an effect. And

548
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: I used to think this way about Fits. Fitz would

549
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: get very emotional at certain times in the game in

550
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: addition to making huge plays, and I think it just

551
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: fed everybody. And that's where James Connor is, right now,

552
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: That's what you want. He's like the perfect blend of

553
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: having that kind of emotion that can trickle to other players,

554
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 3: and then he makes so many plays that there's reasons

555
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: for them to want to feed off that emotion. I

556
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: just everything has clicked with him. That has been such

557
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: a tremendous signing over the last couple of years.

558
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 2: And if he's a badass that the other team fears,

559
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: well that's even better. So you know, you just feel

560
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: that much more confident going into a game when you

561
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: have a guy like James Connor breaking the huddle with you.

562
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: You're not going to have DJ Humphries, we figure for

563
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: the start of next season. So what do you guys

564
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: make of that? What sort of trickle down effect does

565
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: the loss of your franchise left tackle DJ Humphreys have

566
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: you think on the offensive line and how this team

567
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: goes about addressing needs in the offseason.

568
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Speaker 4: It's very interesting, Paul, because this is the unfortunate business

569
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: side of things, And I say unfortunate for a player

570
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: and a person like DJ Humphries, who is arguably the

571
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: best personality in that locker room and one of the

572
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: top leaders. There's a reason Gannon since the moment he

573
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 4: got here, Humphries was one of the players he listed

574
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: by name as somebody he was going to go and

575
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: rely on. When it comes to the messaging and changing

576
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: the culture and getting a feel for things. I think

577
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 4: regardless had Humphries not even had this season ending injury,

578
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 4: and an injury that you're right, there's concern about how

579
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: much time he's going to miss in twenty twenty four.

580
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 4: I think even as if Humphreys had not gotten hurt,

581
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Speaker 4: it would have been a discussion at some point in

582
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: the off season the possibility of moving rookie right tackle

583
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: Paris Johnson Junior over to the left side, his natural side.

584
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: We still don't really know yet, and maybe things have

585
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: changed after how well Johnson played, didn't miss a single

586
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: snap this year. Maybe the intention of drafting Johnson and

587
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: having him play on the right side because you had

588
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: humphreyes still under contract, and maybe the plan was to

589
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: move him to the left at some point. Maybe he

590
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: played so well you want to keep him on the

591
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: right side, especially because nowadays, while the blind side protection

592
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: is so important, especially with a quarterback like Kyler Murray

593
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: and his skill set in using his legs, you need

594
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: a strong right tackle. Still, the Cardinals have three options

595
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: they can do that. They can move Johnson from the

596
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: right to the left. And when we talk to him Monday,

597
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: when players were cleaning out their lockers and I asked him,

598
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: do you have a desire to move sides. Is that

599
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: something you're going to talk to the coaching staff with?

600
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: Johnson said, I'm gonna do what I need to do

601
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: wherever my number is called, but I will be training

602
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: this offseason for both sides in case that's where my

603
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: number ends up getting called. So that's one option as

604
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: you move Johnson over from the right to the left.

605
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: You could keep Johnson on the right side if that's

606
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: where you think he will be the best fit, and

607
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: you can stick with a veteran like Kelvin Beacham who

608
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: stepped up and filled that role until Humphreys comes back.

609
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: Or you can look elsewhere in free agency and get

610
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: a left tackle there. I'm not sure the details of

611
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: the contract, but we know that Humphries is still under contract,

612
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: whoever the guaranteed money is not there, and now that

613
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: he's hurt, how does that kind of change things. I

614
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: just think it's interesting, of all all the options you

615
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: have all stem from, where do you see Paris Johnson

616
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: Junior's future here as a tackle? And if at some

617
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: point you're gonna want to move him to the left,

618
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Speaker 4: why would you not do that when you have this

619
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Speaker 4: opportunity and it's so early on in his career.

620
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Speaker 2: Hey, DJ Humphries did that, started it right and then

621
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Speaker 2: move a left later in his career, And honestly, I

622
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: don't see the urgency necessarily either way intoday's NFL for

623
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Speaker 2: Paris Johnson to absolutely be a left tackle because he

624
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: was the six pick overall, because so many teams are

625
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: putting the premiere pass rusher coming off the offense's right tackle.

626
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: He saw it all year long. You got TJ. Watt,

627
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: yet Aaron Donald come over him a number of times

628
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: by his own choice. The Rams would break the huddle

629
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Speaker 2: and Aaron Donald go, I'm going to test the rookie.

630
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Here it comes. And I mean you got a number

631
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: of guys who got Nick Bosa would come to his

632
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: side a lot. So it's not you know, Tristan Wurf's

633
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: was the twelfth pick overall recently and he's been a

634
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: right tackle.

635
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: Now.

636
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: They tried to left tackle this year. Didn't go that well.

637
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: Actually for Tampa. He actually had better seasons at right tackle,

638
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: if you believe what you read. So I don't know,

639
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: maybe there's the Notre Dame tackle, maybe there's the Penn

640
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: State tackle that's somewhere you get in the top ten,

641
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: and now you have your bookend franchise tackles going forward.

642
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 2: We know the value that this staff, these decision makers

643
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: put in the line of scrimmage. And to your point, Danny,

644
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: even before the injury, heading into this offseason, with DJ

645
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Humphrey's lack of guaranteed money, how do we know that

646
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: they weren't thinking post DJ plan anyway. We have no

647
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: idea at this point, but be ready for any sort

648
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: of scenario to develop on that offensive line.

649
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 3: And I do think when it comes to all this,

650
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: I think it's all fluid. I mean, I think by

651
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: the time we get to free agent, see humphreyes will

652
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: probably have had surgery, and you'll have a better understanding

653
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: of what kind of timeline he's probably gonna be under.

654
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: We don't know what will happen when they go through

655
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: free agency, of how that could impact the draft. These

656
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: are all questions for once. When Gannon says we're gonna

657
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: do what's best for the team. When he this the

658
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: potential of Paris switching was brought up, he said, we're

659
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: gonna do what's best for the team. And you're thinking

660
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: that's probably fair because he probably doesn't know exactly what's

661
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: gonna happen, because you don't know who you're gonna be,

662
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: who you're gonna have. And it's fair when Danny asked Paris,

663
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: are you thinking about moving over to the left side,

664
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: when he says, well, I'm gonna train for both, because

665
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, whatever they want, but I

666
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: don't know what's gonna happen, because I don't think at

667
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: this point they do. But they they will have options.

668
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: They they certainly will have options, and there are there's

669
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: a lot of realistic options. That's the other thing I

670
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: think is important to say is it's not as horrible

671
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: as this is for DJ Humphrees. They have a lot

672
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: of time to plan for it. There's no excuses going

673
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: in next year whatever do they decide to do on

674
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: the offensive line, that they couldn't have been prepared for this.

675
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: And it is amazing that Paris Johnson Junior played every

676
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: single snap this season. He was the only Arizona Cardinals

677
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 2: player to play one hundred percent of the game snap. So,

678
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: and I'd ask Paris earlier in the season, I figure

679
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: what it was. DJ came out for a little bit

680
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: and Kelvin Beacham went in for some spot duty, and

681
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: I asked, Paris, how big a deal is it at

682
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: this point if you had to go to left tackle.

683
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: He said, one practice, Give me one practice to get

684
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: my footwork down again. I'll go to left tackle. Whatever

685
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: it takes, whatever we need. So you give him an

686
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: entire offseason, and there's no doubt he has the confidence

687
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: because he did that Ohio State start on the right side,

688
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: ended up but left.

689
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: Out, and let's yeah, let's make that clear too. It's

690
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: like this, It's not like Paris Johnson went to Ohio State,

691
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: started three years at left tackle, and then came here

692
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: to play right side. He was he had his first season,

693
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: he wasn't even playing regularly. He was playing right guard,

694
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: I believe his second year, and then he played left

695
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: tackle before he came out. So it's not like, you know,

696
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: it's not like he was so locked in. Like when

697
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: Calvin Beacham showed up here as a free agent, he

698
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: had played left tackle his whole NFL career and then

699
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: they were asking him to play on the right side.

700
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: And I to me, that actually is a little bit

701
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: more difficult than maybe what they're asking Paris to do,

702
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: just because of all the years that Beacham had under

703
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: his belt.

704
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the much bigger concern, if I'm monti

705
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: as important is the defensive front. This offseason.

706
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: I think that's very fair.

707
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: He had one sack in the final six games. At

708
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: one sack was justin field, stepping out of bounds before

709
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, and they credited Dennis Gardak with it.

710
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: And it's interesting. I couldn't help, but notice, you guys,

711
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: tell me if this is a legit stat or not.

712
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: The bottom seven teams in sacks this season also happened

713
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: to directly correlate to the top of the draft order.

714
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: The bottom seventeams in sacts. Carolina was worst, Chicago was thirty, first, Cardinals, thirtieth, Giants,

715
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: twenty ninth New Orleans, and then Washington. There's your bottom seven,

716
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: and that almost directly correlates to the top of the

717
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: draft order. So once again, quarterback one, get to the

718
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: quarterback two, and then I'll throw protect that quarterback three.

719
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 4: It's almost like, you know what you're talking about.

720
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: Paul, Now, I just can't help but notice some of

721
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: that and you look at okay, because when you're watching

722
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: that NCAA Championship game and you see number seventy eight

723
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: for Michigan. Oh my goodness, was that guy a wrecking

724
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: ball in the D line or one of those two

725
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: All American d tackles for Texas and the semi finals, Like,

726
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: how can you not watch those games and wonder what

727
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: Monti assin Fort is thinking. How can you not look

728
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: at what Montes Sweat did for that Chicago defense once

729
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: they got that premier pass rusher and it trickled down

730
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: through the rest of that Bears defense. How can you

731
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: not notice that the Carolina Panthers screwed up and it

732
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: looks like Ryan Burns is gonna hit the free agent market.

733
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Is an unrestricted free agent and if you can give

734
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: him big money and bring him in without having to

735
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: give up any draft picks like the Bears had to

736
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: do for Montese Sweat, like the Niners had to do

737
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: for Chase Young, and pay him if you just have

738
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: to pay and without giving I mean that makes me

739
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 2: wonder if they're type that's the one big fish they're

740
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: targeting in free agency.

741
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: Look, I absolutely think that is one of the positions

742
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: where free agency probably makes the most sense rather than

743
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: just relying on a high draft pick just because you

744
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: have such a great need for a pass rush because

745
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: you did not have it this year. We saw sparks

746
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: throughout the first half of the season. You don't have

747
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: the depth and you don't have the star power. You

748
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: just don't. I think you probably have enough players where

749
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 4: if you have a situation where like when you had

750
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: Chandler Jones, you had Marcus Golden opposite, you were able

751
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: to get a lot out of Golden. When you didn't

752
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: have Jones opposite, Golden didn't have that here to be

753
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 4: that star rusher. I think if the Cardinals are able

754
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: to get a big name like that, you have some

755
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 4: pieces on the other side that can cause some disruption.

756
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: I just think that from what you need from an

757
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: immediate standpoint, a veteran, proven player makes sense if it

758
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 4: makes sense financially, and I think with the amount of

759
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: draft capital the Cardinals have, I still think that it

760
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 4: is a viable option to do a trade for draft picks,

761
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 4: maybe an extra player, and in turn, the Cardinals don't

762
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: just get a draft pick, they get a player. And

763
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: I think a pass rusher really does make a lot

764
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: of sense there. When it comes to the trenches and

765
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: the defensive line and building that that's not confusing. But

766
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: I am interested in the evaluation of what the Cardinals

767
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: already have because maybe they think that some of the

768
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: players on this roster are enough. They were just never healthy.

769
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: LJ.

770
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 4: Collier, Carlos Watkins, luckyfo two, didn't have an entirely healthy year.

771
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: Jonathan led Better Now he's probably going to miss significant

772
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: a time to start twenty twenty four season because he

773
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: also tore his ACL late.

774
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: In the year.

775
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: But I'm curious Darin of when it comes to building

776
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: in the trenches on the d line, to the Cardinals

777
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: feel like they have a good place to start, especially

778
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: when you saw what Dante Stills did, or maybe keeping

779
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: someone like a Roy Lopez moving forward.

780
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think for me with the defensive line,

781
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 3: it comes down to kind of like what you guys

782
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: were just talking about with the edge with bj Ojulari

783
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: or you know, even Dennis Gardek or whatever situation was.

784
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: If you can get a one A, then maybe the

785
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: rest of the guys slot in much better behind that,

786
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: and you don't have to make a bunch of quantity

787
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: upgrades because you've made the quality upgrade.

788
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: At your point.

789
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: If you can get a some kind of wrecker on

790
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: the defensive line, and then you can first of all,

791
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: let's also remember and then the Burns things intriguing. But

792
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: for most of the season, and I don't know if

793
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: this was strictly because of who they had. I think

794
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: this is some of philosophy too. Don't forget that these

795
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: guys love rotating. They love rotating the defensive line, and

796
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: they love rotating the edge guys. And if you get

797
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: in a let's say you get a Brian Burns in

798
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: and you pay him a lot of money, Brian Burns

799
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: better not be rotating in a whole bunch. And you know,

800
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: it's funny because Zaven Collins was had the most snaps

801
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: in almost every game at outside linebacker for the Cardinals

802
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: this year, and he didn't have more than sixty five

803
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: percent of the snaps in any game until last one.

804
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: So again, how much of that is the talent you

805
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: have and how much of that is that's our philosophy.

806
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: And we don't want to go too overboard on paying

807
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 3: one guy because we're not going to play him enough

808
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: to justify that. So I'll be curious of that. But

809
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: going back to you guys's original point, I wouldn't mind

810
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: a trade for an edge guy or a Brian Burns

811
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: or something like that on the free agent market, but

812
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: I do think they also need a defensive lineman and

813
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: kind of see I think those other pieces on the

814
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: defensive line did work and if they're healthy, they could help.

815
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 3: But again, you got to stay healthy too.

816
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: I mean when it comes to the rotation at pass

817
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 4: rush specifically, I wonder though, if you are able to

818
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: get a player, maybe this is more an interior D

819
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: line player of like what Paul was mentioning with Aaron Donald,

820
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 4: who's able to go or TJ. Watt, right, you're able

821
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: to go wherever you want on both sides. Maybe that's

822
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: what you're getting. Maybe the rotation changes a little bit

823
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: for one player and you're able to rotate the other players,

824
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 4: but that's how your rotation changes, so they're not missing

825
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: a lot of snaps. But that does give you the

826
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: flexibility to move players around, and you.

827
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: Got to be careful because when we're throwing names out there,

828
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: whether it's Brian Burns is a great pass rusher, and

829
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: you're talking about Aaron Donald and TJ. Watt, we're talking

830
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: about like top generational fifteen players and the odds of

831
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: you getting that guy are probably slim.

832
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: Yep. So look, there's gonna be a lot of demand

833
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: if you're an elite pass rusher, there's no question about.

834
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, and one of the reasons I wonder

835
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: about that is because there isn't a Miles Garrett in

836
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: this draft. If quarterbacks are going one, two, one, two, three,

837
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: and you're still at four, there's not that guy. Like,

838
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: for example, if there was that guy, or if there

839
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: was a Sauce Gardner, Cardinals would stay at four and

840
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: take one of those two positions, one of those two guys.

841
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: But based on what we know about this draft so far,

842
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: there doesn't appear to be that sort of generational talent.

843
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: I think there's a big reason. I think there's reasons

844
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: other than the need of at wide receiver for the

845
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: Cardinals that everybody keeps talking about the Cardinals drafting Marvin Harrison.

846
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: And I think a big part of it is is

847
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: when you talk about the guys that are considered at

848
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: the top of the draft, you're talking about quarterbacks, you're

849
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: talking potentially about those two offensive tackles, and you're talking

850
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: about Marvin Harrison. I have not heard any talk of

851
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: any defensive players being like a top five kind of

852
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: that kind of generational player. Now, that could change as

853
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: we get closer to the draft, but at this point,

854
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: I have not seen that.

855
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: You guys think that fourth pick overall is for sale

856
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: as we launch into the offseason, you think it's for sale.

857
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: You know what the car auctions coming. Danny is gonna

858
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: be sold, sold, sold. They're gonna put it up there

859
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: on the auction block and they're gonna sell it off

860
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: to all. I don't know a Denver Broncos team that's

861
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: picking twelfth overall but is in dire need of a quarterback.

862
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: They're not going with Jared Stidham next year. So with

863
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos, for example, called Manti Asivorn, say what

864
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: do you want for number four?

865
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: Did the Denver Broncos have any picks left after trading

866
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: for Russell Wilson.

867
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: By the way, we named George Payton the Broncos GM,

868
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: the now two time MVP of the Seattle Seahawks for

869
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: both twenty twenty two and twenty three. That was such

870
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: a lopsided trade in favor of Seattle.

871
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: I am gonna say, I don't there's a part of me,

872
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure it worked out last year because

873
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: they moved back up. I don't know if I love

874
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: going from four to twelve.

875
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: Agreed, what if it's yeah, we'll take the twelfth pick,

876
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: but you know what, you're gonna throw in Patrick Sirtan,

877
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: your Pro Bowl corner.

878
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: Heay, now that that's different.

879
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 4: My eyebrowser raised Emontry Right. Look at the difference, at

880
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: least for me, of agreeing with Darren of you had

881
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: an okay time last year, right of dropping back, and

882
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 4: they ended up obviously jumped back up to six. The

883
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: reason I would have a problem, I can't say I

884
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 4: would have a problem. It's not my decision. I would

885
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: not love the idea of moving from four to twelve.

886
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: Last year, this organization knew that it was going to

887
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: be a transition year. Everybody knew that from the jump

888
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: right with the cap space, with the players, you were

889
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 4: letting go, the culture, you were trying to build again.

890
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 4: Your franchise quarterback was going to miss half the season.

891
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 4: You knew all of that. That's why you got the

892
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: draft capital you did. So that's starting this year in

893
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four draft, you're not necessarily worried about

894
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: future draft capital. You're trying to start that second phase

895
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: of the transition years right now. So I don't want

896
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: to jump from four to twelve and get all these

897
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: extra draft picks for the future, right are those players?

898
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 4: Is that would be a little bit lower. I'm at

899
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: the point where I would like to start seeing those

900
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: generational talents, those players that are going to be plug

901
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: and play and ready to go and make a difference

902
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: and be here for the long term. I'm ready to

903
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 4: see those players start getting drafted now.

904
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can see that argument. On the

905
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: other hand, this isn't a team that's ready to win

906
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: big right now. There's not just a couple of needs,

907
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: right you need two hands to really count all the needs.

908
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: So that necessitate more picks.

909
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: No, you're not wrong, but they've already got eleven picks, Paul, Like,

910
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 3: how many picks are we talking about?

911
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Because again, when is enough enough?

912
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 3: Paul?

913
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Well, because the other is America, It's never enough.

914
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: Because one of the things we're talking about capitalism, if

915
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: you're talking about getting greed, is good high picks. I mean,

916
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 3: ultimately some of them aren't going to be in this draft,

917
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: which goes back to Danny, are we pushing this now

918
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: back into twenty five at one point? Because, as I

919
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 3: said earlier, the expect You're not wrong, but the expectationations

920
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: next year are not going to be, Hey, we're gonna

921
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: we're gonna bump along with a six win season and

922
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: we got more draft picks coming next year. That's no

923
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: one's sitting around for that now.

924
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: If there are certain positions where like the scouting departments

925
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: are working years in advance, so if there are certain

926
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 4: positions or certain players, and not that you're waiting out

927
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: for certain players, but if it makes sense to do

928
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: some trades, and you obviously want to get more capital

929
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 4: in the future, like I'm okay with that. I'm not

930
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 4: saying I don't want to start making moves and have

931
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: some extra draft picks in the next year or two,

932
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: because I do think this is still probably another two

933
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 4: or three years before you are realistically, hopefully consistently right

934
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: making a push for a deep run in the playoffs.

935
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: But when you've got eleven draft picks, at some point

936
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 4: you got to start using that.

937
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So here's my question. You you brought up

938
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: Denver twelve.

939
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, we're already at the point of the off

940
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: season where Paul says something and then Darren stews on

941
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: it and then he comes back with it.

942
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: What about never too early to talk draft scenario?

943
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: What about Atlanta at eight? Well, they need a quarterback.

944
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: You know they're the head coach, They're probably gonna get

945
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. Just throwing that out there, no idea. Look,

946
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: I'll just say, let me just say that this year

947
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: my counter argument to everything he would if he hadn't

948
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: seen his own demise, most especially in the Christmas overtime

949
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: win against the Cardinals in twenty twenty two. My response

950
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: to what you guys just said about how maybe you

951
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: need some more immediate answers and more generational talent right

952
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: now and how far back are you going to push this.

953
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: Here's one of my big takeaways from last month of

954
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: this season. If you have that guy at quarterback and

955
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: he's playing like a Pro Bowl quarterback like Kyler Murray

956
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: was at times second half of Philadelphia at times against

957
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: seattle Man, that mass a lot of deficiencies. You can

958
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: be really young, you can be talent poor, but if

959
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 2: you have that quarterback and you have that run game

960
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: to keep a defense, honest look out. And as evidence

961
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: of that, may I present the La Rams twenty twenty three,

962
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: the second youngest roster in the NFL. But they got

963
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford playing Pro Bowl quarterback again, Kyron Williams, who's

964
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl running back. They fixed the offensive line.

965
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: It's not the best in the league, but it's serviceable.

966
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 2: They got those two young guards that they plugged and played.

967
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: They figured out the left tackle after the departure Andrew Whitworth.

968
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: And look at the stinking La Rams. They started three

969
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: and six, they won seven out of eight, and they're

970
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: my Paully Parlay hot pick to go into Detroit knock

971
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: off the Lions in the first round of the playoffs.

972
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: But if you're saying you might only need a few

973
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 4: key pieces right to really get the most out of

974
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: Kyler's future here, wouldn't that be these premier draft picks

975
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 4: you're saying you'd rather attack it in free agency.

976
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if you're at four and there

977
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: isn't a player at the position you cover it worthy

978
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: of four. Like if you need a quarterback and you're thinking, okay,

979
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll go Michael Pennock Bownix, Jaydon Daniels, whatever.

980
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: But if you're in dire need of a pass rusher,

981
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: that guy isn't there at four, you really need that

982
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: franchise corner, that guy isn't there at four, then I'm

983
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: all in favor of trading down five to ten spots.

984
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 4: I'm not against trading down. I would think if you're

985
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 4: trading back ten spots and you're willing to go all

986
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 4: the way to fourteen, you'd have to get a pretty

987
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 4: massive haul.

988
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: That's fine with me. Denver pay through the nose again

989
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: or whoever it is. I'm just throwing that out there.

990
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: By the way, the Broncos just I just want you

991
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: guys to appreciate where the Cardinals are right now. You

992
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 2: realize the Broncos Oh Russell Wilson thirty nine million next year,

993
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: and in terms of dead money cap charges, it checks

994
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: in at eighty nine million over the next two years. Jeez,

995
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: think about it.

996
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 4: What if what if the Cardinals ditray down from four

997
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: to ten flurid to fourteen to ten spots, Paul, but

998
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: they maybe only get an additional pick and a a

999
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: premier pass rusher.

1000
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: Well, it depends, Yeah, the pass rusher. It depends. That's

1001
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: a long way to go for just one pick and

1002
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: one pass rusher, especially if they think they're getting their

1003
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback, then you should be able to leverage more

1004
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: than that out of Denver, no question.

1005
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: So where's Denver right now?

1006
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: You're twelve fourteen? Is New Orleans? Well?

1007
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: New Orleans might also be looking for a new coach

1008
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: or a new quarterback. Who knows what's going to happen

1009
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 4: there after that season finale victory formation touchdown.

1010
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: Let me just remind you the Rams have not made

1011
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: a first round pick since twenty sixteen.

1012
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: That's wild.

1013
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: It's before Sean McVay showed up. So there are different

1014
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: ways to go about it. And speaking of the Rams,

1015
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: how about the NFC West. You have a Niners team

1016
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: that isn't going away. I just mentioned the Rams with

1017
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: the second youngest roster in the league. Seattle very average,

1018
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: you know there they are just by the way. If

1019
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: they would have clinched the playoffs based on that miss

1020
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: field goal at the very end, I would not be

1021
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: here right now. I would need a mental health week.

1022
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: If we would have witnessed the stink and Seahawks celebrating

1023
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: a playoff clinching win based on a missfield two missfield

1024
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 2: goals in the fourth.

1025
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: If that would have happened, they probably would have done

1026
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: something like smoke cigars in the locker.

1027
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: Room, which I smelled by the way I walked in

1028
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: for the postgame radio interviews. I'm like, what what is that?

1029
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: Something's burning?

1030
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 4: I did see on It's not worth it?

1031
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: Are you going to try and defend them?

1032
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 4: Supposedly the cigars were a couple of weeks old to

1033
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 4: celebrate the birth of one of the player's sons, and

1034
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 4: he was waiting. Everybody was there.

1035
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so smoke on the plane.

1036
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 4: That's not allowed.

1037
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: It's not allowed to be done in stay at Farm

1038
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: Stadium either. That didn't stop those Oh I didn't know that.

1039
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: Not that I didn't know that, as if I've done that,

1040
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: but I I didn't know that. You can't smoke a

1041
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 4: cigar like to celebrate in the locker room.

1042
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: No, you can't smoke inside here against the law.

1043
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

1044
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: Okay, they did it right when they party Pooper, you

1045
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 4: are Derek right. When they let the meeting Cody twenty

1046
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 4: twenty four.

1047
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: Let the media in, they fired up the cigars. So

1048
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 2: I mean they have only themselves to blame the meeting

1049
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: if it was open media.

1050
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: I think I saw somewhere where Bobby Wagner basically said, yeah,

1051
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: they probably shouldn't have done that.

1052
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 4: So if the Cardinals end up making the super Bowl

1053
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: or something like that, you won't be celebrating with a

1054
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 4: cigar in the locker room.

1055
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: No, neither were you.

1056
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: We'll probably to tell me what I can and can't

1057
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 4: pay for that one. Okay, then I probably won't.

1058
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: Okay, lay it on me, Just lay it on me.

1059
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 2: What pick number is the Texans right now? The fact

1060
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: that the Texans made the twenty.

1061
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: One, I do think that they lose. There's a chance

1062
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: that could get a little bit higher.

1063
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: Are they going to be playing?

1064
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: They play the Browns at home, so the Browns have

1065
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: a better record, but because.

1066
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: The Jeff Driscolls Cleveland Brown's.

1067
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: Close, Yes, well it is Jeff Criscals Cleveland Browns, but

1068
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 3: Jeff Jeff, it'll be the corpse of Joe Flacco will

1069
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 3: be playing.

1070
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: Hey, he's had some dynamic fourth quarters.

1071
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: Joe Flack zombie football. It's what it's all about. Baby.

1072
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: So uh yeah, I think I think they could if

1073
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: they lost. It's possible that they could and uh, that

1074
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 3: pick could be nineteen maybe.

1075
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: Gotcham Okay, all right, well, I mean Indianapolis, what are

1076
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: you doing on fourth down throwing it into the flat

1077
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: of your third string running back with six sketches all

1078
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: year when Jonathan Taylor's out there?

1079
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: I don't do you have a you really have a

1080
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: problem with that?

1081
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean the guy. The moment was too big

1082
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: for that guy. It was a parent, it was a

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00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: great pass. Ye number wasn't. But he had fumble fingers.

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00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: You could tell the moment was too big for him.

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00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: He was gripping, the boxers were bunging.

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Speaker 4: I would probably saying the moment was too big for

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00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: him because postgame he said he was going to call

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Speaker 4: his mom because she was probably the only person who

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Speaker 4: still loved him at that point. So you go easy

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Speaker 4: on that man.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Okay, I'll tell you what. Uh, that's good,

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Speaker 2: you know. So if it wasn't, you know what if

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00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: if that's your mentality, go run scout team.

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Speaker 3: So if you sent Zack Moss out there and he

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Speaker 3: drops it, then what do you say, Zack Moss? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Zach Moss, who's the number two running back? You said third?

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Speaker 3: The third string running back or if Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if Zach Moss is ready

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Speaker 2: for the moment. All I know is the third stringer

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Speaker 2: was not. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Was it not the moment not to make for Gardner minshew?

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Speaker 3: No, that's what I think. I mean that throw was

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00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: not it was not great.

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00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. But the moment they came out there

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00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: in fourth and two and they're in the gun, that

1106
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 2: was the first mistake. That's not the running back's fault

1107
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: because now the defense, you know, it eliminates half the options. Basically,

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00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, at least show show a formation that says,

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00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: here comes Jonathan Taylor downhill.

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Speaker 3: If they execute the play, it works, it's the right call.

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Speaker 3: They just didn't execute it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if he would have caught that, he would have

1113
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: been way beyondes.

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Speaker 3: Are you sitting here saying that the Cardinals should have

1115
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: gone for a Hail Mary because Matt Prater missed a

1116
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 3: fifty one yard field goal on the last play, Because

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00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: that's kind of where you're going with this. It didn't work,

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00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: so you ran the wrong play.

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Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying is you didn't see the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: running Blake Pillacon out there to try that field goal. Okay,

1121
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: they put out their record setting field goal kicker. Okayklican

1122
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: average fifty yards of punt. This shit, it's different if

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00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor drops that in the flat versus whatever his

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00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: name was, the third string running back. So you're any

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Speaker 2: anything else you want to since we didn't really do

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00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: Festivist during the holiday season and airing aggrievances anything else

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: now that the season is over, well we don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't need to get I mean, we've got a

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00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: whole off season of podcasts we gotta fill. It's not

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 3: like we're done for five months. We're right back here

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Speaker 3: next week.

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Speaker 2: This is where they right, Okay, all right, all right

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Speaker 2: you guys. Yeah, you're good with the cold. By the way, Danny,

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Speaker 2: you're good.

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Speaker 4: With that chili this morning. But I'm okay, right because

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00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 4: if it's cold for a couple of weeks, that's a lot.

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00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, do you know I got I got a

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00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: nice hat here?

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Speaker 4: Why do you put it on so I can see

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Speaker 4: how it looks on before I make it?

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Speaker 3: I got to question Paul, with you living up there

1142
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: in the and the climbs of Fountain Hill, did you

1143
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: have to like, was it like ten degrees chillier? There?

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00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: There was some scraping, scrape into the ice, throwed do

1145
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: out a about in fact, flaps down at one point

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00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: it was so cold this morning we went flaps down,

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Speaker 2: cover up the headphones.

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Speaker 4: You can't take that from you. It's really nice offer,

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: but it looks too good on you.

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00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: Well, why is the head why?

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00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 4: Why is why is the logo? Is a store logo

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Speaker 4: that's really really.

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Speaker 2: Critic I had to call an audible at the last

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Speaker 2: minute because there was a different logo on this headway,

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Speaker 2: so I'd.

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Speaker 4: Improvise you put it on that diagon.

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Speaker 2: It's it was in the moments right before it was.

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00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: It was a late game adjustment, last minute roster move,

1159
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Speaker 2: and so we had to make a bit of a

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Speaker 2: thank god we're on TV now improv here at the

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Speaker 2: very end. So, uh, you know what I mean. You know,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel and Aaron Rodgers think they're making for good TV.

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Speaker 2: You know, cram this vertical. Okay, that'll do it for

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