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Speaker 1: Jambi Cholomagne. The gut piece to the planet is Monday.

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Speaker 1: It's President's Day. We're not here. We're just acting like

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Speaker 1: she has a new book called Dance Your Dance Eight

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Speaker 1: you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this yo? Yo?

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Speaker 1: Sew on with suthing Man with the DJ vy At King.

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Speaker 1: You know if your chest bro man listen, So Anda

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Speaker 1: Ye of everybody, like right now, I got a few questions,

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Speaker 1: Like I always hear the saying that goes like okay, um,

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Speaker 1: like people like Romeo, he just found him a little

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Speaker 1: and Romeo's thirty one. I tell you something else too, man,

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Speaker 1: there a Romeo. Hello, who's this? It's Mike? Mike? What

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Speaker 1: Blunt ain't good for you? Smoke a junk? I do

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Speaker 1: the Shares from Columbus, Ohio Shares. What up getting off

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Speaker 1: Good morning? So many peace, king, what happing? Get it

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Speaker 1: good one brother. Hello. Who's this? It's Erico? Hey, good

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Speaker 1: I just led somebody ten dollars yesterday. No, I'm with you. Budget.

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Speaker 1: you know of stuff. I like to talk about a

419
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Speaker 1: lot of sociology and my experience. I have better conversations

420
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Speaker 1: about that with black women. Also, black women don't have

421
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: an issue with my friends have multiple white girls be like,

422
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: why do you hang out with so many black people?

423
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: That's because black people don't ask me dumb questions like that.

424
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: So I was a criminal for a long time. I

425
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: think a lot of white girls are like drug dealers

426
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: because it's cool. White women will let yourself destruct. Black

427
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: women seem to genuinely care and want me to do better.

428
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: So I don't feel that comfortable around white people. Feel

429
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: like black people laugh with me, white people laugh at me.

430
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: I love it. I think that is great. I think

431
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: that improves race relations in America. You have that white

432
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: man professing his love for black women, and I think

433
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: anytime we can bring each other together, it is a

434
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Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Beautiful thing. All right, Well, let's go to

435
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Speaker 1: the phone line and see if we can get some Well,

436
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: we're looking for white men who feel that same way

437
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: white women and also white women who feel that way

438
00:22:52,119 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: about black men are black women? Right? Yep? Yeah, David morning. Hey,

439
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: what's your name? Brod David? Right? Hey, yeah, hi David,

440
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: How are you, sir? You like your coffee? Black? Hi? Everyone?

441
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely? Why? Why? Well? Black take care of

442
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 1: the men better. My current wife have been married for

443
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: three years. When I first met her, I think I

444
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: had a chance with her. But she saw potential in

445
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: me and she inspired me to do better. And I've

446
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: done better. We will clean you up? Did she clean

447
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: me up? I mean improve my credit score? We bought

448
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: a house together. Black women improving a white man's credit

449
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: score drop one. A clues bomb from God you gave me. Oh,

450
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: God in the form of a black woman can do that.

451
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: She's showing the path to a better life. My brother, David,

452
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Speaker 1: my brother, I'll stop you when you stop telling the

453
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Speaker 1: truth yet, David, you know we love, we love a

454
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Speaker 1: good fixer. Hello. Who's this Hi? My name is Angie.

455
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Speaker 1: I'm from Queen. Angie from Queens. Now, Angie, you black?

456
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm white? Oh Queens, I'm from New York. Okay, after

457
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: you can say, how will beach up right now? You

458
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: like black men only? Yeah? I do? Um. I feel

459
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: like because I grew up in a predominantly black and

460
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: Hispanic neighborhood, I has all black friends growing up, like

461
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: I just never thought twice about it. That's what I'm

462
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: attracted tool. I've actually never even dated a white man before.

463
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: This is beautiful. We are bringing people together this morning,

464
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: and I really feel like anytime, especially in these difficult

465
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Speaker 1: times that we're in, when it comes to race, we

466
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: can bring people together. This is a beautiful thing. I

467
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: am happy to hear this, these white people professing their

468
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: love for their black booze. I actually my son is

469
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Speaker 1: black black so well. I mean that's how it works.

470
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: If you got a black baby daddy exactly, Yeah, yeah,

471
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: what's his name? Well, thank you, thank you, murmur, thank you.

472
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 1: What's your name? Shout out your shout out your baby

473
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: daddy and your son. My son's name is Data, and

474
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: my baby daddy's name is Lamar. There you go, and

475
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: his name Lamar name, Lamar, Jamar tyrone after black? Is

476
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: he gonna get? Hello? Who's this? Ar? Harry? What's up? Aaron?

477
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: What's up? All right? Now? Jamar? Now? Flowing down around

478
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: black people too long? Ary? What's up? Side? What's up? So?

479
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: He said, fell and were you from? I think it's

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00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a generational thing. I'm originally from the

481
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: West Coast, so we mixed a little bit more over there.

482
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Speaker 1: I know on the East Coast, you guys are a

483
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Speaker 1: little bit more separate. But the thing is is that

484
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: my generation I graduated in ninety, I'm forty eight. I

485
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: think my generation it was taboo for so long that

486
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: in my generation, the white girls were looking for black

487
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: guys and the black guy and the white boys were

488
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: looking for black girls. And that's just how it was

489
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: where I grew up. Okay, so you so you got

490
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Speaker 1: a black bull? Now? I had I was married to

491
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Speaker 1: a black woman for a little bit, for a minute.

492
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: What happened? Uh? What happened? We just worked compatible. But

493
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: she was a good woman. I ain't got nothing negative

494
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: to say about her. So your your next, your next, Bay.

495
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: You want her to be black too. So the last

496
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: girl I was with was Afro Peruvian, so she was

497
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: like a unicorn. She was last and black. So I

498
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: was trying to get that for Latino's out here. Hello,

499
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: he say, oh man, I'm losing you guys. No, we're good.

500
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: So right, So you want you want to you want

501
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: to a black woman, and that's beautiful because you know, no, no,

502
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't discriminate. It's all pink in the middle.

503
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it's like, all right, Eric,

504
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: all right, y'all, ain't up on the men, all right, man,

505
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: ain't tell a lie. It is all pink in the middle. Hello,

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00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: who's this, Shannon? What are you? Sir? Grace was um,

507
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm a white male from London, Florida. Okay, okay, all right,

508
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: prefer black women or black men. No, no women, women women,

509
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's not go there. I got ass,

510
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: I got ass, I get a soup. But why there's

511
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: no reason. Really, I met my wife in college, probably

512
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Yeah, coming up to ten years what

513
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: HBCU did you go to Bloke? No? No, I went

514
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: to I went to a small college in Kansas. It's

515
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: most country, redneck town I've ever been to my life.

516
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: And you met a beautiful black queen on that campus.

517
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: What's her name? Her name is? Ambo? Tell me how

518
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: you tell me how y'all first grew in love? Man,

519
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Tell me my brother. She turned mind to me one

520
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: day and say, hey, can you can you say hey baby?

521
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: Because obviously the accent and then it just went from

522
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: there baback hey, babe back. Yeah, and you've been with

523
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: baby ever since. Yeah, she's turned me into an I think, um.

524
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: The thing with black women that I've experienced, the um

525
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: they put you in line, and men need a strong

526
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: woman to put you in line them. I appreciate it

527
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: for that because she definitely made my life belt. That

528
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: is very cum. I appreciate you, my brother. I appreciate

529
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: you for appreciating the queens. No, no, I appreciate you

530
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: guys for having me on that. All right, take you

531
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: say bobe baby all right? By baby turned on oh God,

532
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: and he turn your love, you know like that Bob

533
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: Bay is a white guy, he's interested in the black

534
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: guy by By that's wrong with you, yo, you can't

535
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: eat this morning many the moral of the stories. Anytime

536
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: you can improve race relations in America, you should, especially

537
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: because race relations are trash right now in America. I

538
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: mean they always have been, but you know, they're really

539
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: bad right now. And I love to hear white people

540
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: professing their love for black folks. All right, we got

541
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: more coming up next with a breakfast club. Yeah, it's

542
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: the World Know Dangers Morning to show the Breakfast Club

543
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: Charlomagne God, Angela y DJ. And we got a special

544
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: guest in the building. You know. Every time he pulls up,

545
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: he's telling us something good. Michael Rubin his hell, yes,

546
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: well what's talking to guys? Back to be here. You

547
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: have a big announcement, we do. We're really excited today

548
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: we announced that Robert Rooks is going to be the

549
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: new CEO of the Reform Alliance. It's really exciting for us.

550
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: We're two years into this. We've had huge accomplishments so far.

551
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Ban Jones, who started this with us, done incredible job.

552
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: He's moving to the co chair of the Reform Action

553
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Fund but Robert's going to take over. He was most

554
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: recently the CEO of the Alliance or Safety Injustice, which

555
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: has done incredible work in the space, and we're really

556
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: excited to have him. And uh, this has been a

557
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: it's been a great start and journey so far. But

558
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: we're just getting started and we're we're really pumped up

559
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: about it. Why why to change? You know for us?

560
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, from the day we started, this really goes

561
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: back to when Meek was in prison. We've talked about

562
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: we had to do something really significant. We had to

563
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: go out and you know, change these probation for all laws.

564
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: They keeping so many people stuck in the system. And

565
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, from the start, we asked Band to come

566
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: in and help start this and help build this, and

567
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: he did everything we asked him to do. We've had

568
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: some giant wins, which you would getting into big wins

569
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: in California, Michigan, UM. But it was always the plan

570
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: for him to start this, build us and then kind

571
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: of go to the board position and also kind of

572
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: be the co chair of the Reform Action Funds. It's

573
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: really exactly as we planned it and for Robert. You know,

574
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: this is a guy that he's spent his entire life

575
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: changing laws, doing this work, and he's as good as

576
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: you're getting this field. So it's kind of, you know,

577
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: are the same way we build a business. We just

578
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: gotta keep growing and pushing. You know. I want you

579
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: to talk about some of those winners, Michael, because you know,

580
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: people see organizations like Reform Alliance and they ask questions like, well,

581
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: what do they do? We always see these, you know, announcements,

582
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, we're giving money here, we're doing it.

583
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: What what What has Reform Alliance done? What are some

584
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: of those wins Over the last few months, We've had

585
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: some really big wins so far. At first in California

586
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: um UM, going into the holidays, they put in a

587
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: one year cap on misdemean in probation and a two

588
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: year cap on FELI infrobation. That was really the most

589
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: trend formative probation laws really in the country. And as

590
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: you guys know, the problem is so many people, you know,

591
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: four and a half million people on probation and parole

592
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: in this country. It's basically a trap door. It keeps

593
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: you in the system and sort of put hard limits

594
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: on how long you can be in the system like

595
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: California did in a ruined big state, was a breakthrough

596
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: for us. I think we're gonna bring the population down

597
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: by thirty three percent of people on probation and parole

598
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: in California, of course, while keeping community safe. So that

599
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: was a giant win for us, and I think a

600
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: lot of states looked and said like holy like this

601
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: is like one or two year hard caps on probation

602
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: for mister milliership and felonies. We should do something similar

603
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: to that. And then Michigan came right over in the

604
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: right over on the holidays. It was great holiday get

605
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: for all of us, and they reduced how long you

606
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: could be on felon in probation from five years to

607
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: three years. So from the first time it came on

608
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: Your Guys Show, we said we had a couple goals

609
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: to reduce and cap how long you could be on

610
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: probation for and not have what happened to meet be

611
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: able to happen to the everyday meet when people just

612
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: on probation continuously. The second thing we want to do

613
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: was limit how long you know that you couldn't have

614
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: these technical violations where you didn't break a law, you

615
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: end it back in prison. And that's what we've been

616
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: focused on over the past two years and having giant

617
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: wins in California Michigan, is you know, big validation of

618
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: our strategy now, Rabbit, I know you're just doing us

619
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: to do on a chime in on your new position

620
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: and Reform alliance and some of the strikes that you

621
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: plan to make. And I also want to talk about

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00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: the new administration and what your thoughts are and if

623
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: you feel hopeful and what do you hope to get done. Well,

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00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: thank you for the question, and thank you for the

625
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: space to be able to talk about this important issue

626
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Speaker 1: of probation and pro reform. I'm honored to lead Reform

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Speaker 1: into the next phase of growth. You know, I have

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of respect for Michael, for Van and

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Speaker 1: the founding partners of Reform in their commitment to this

630
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Speaker 1: issue of probation and pro because I've been in this

631
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Speaker 1: work in this field for over twenty years. I am

632
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Speaker 1: a community organizer. I have been knocking on doors for

633
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Speaker 1: twenty four years talking to people about public safety, and

634
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I have been hearing on the ground that this issue

635
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: of probation and pro reform was an issue, was a problem,

636
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: was a track for many people. And to have folks

637
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: like Michael and other founding board members come in and say, Hey,

638
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: this is going to be a priority, This is gonna

639
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: be something we're gonna focus on. We're going to stay

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Speaker 1: in our lane regarding how we're going to end master persuation,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to elevate this issue to a really

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Speaker 1: high level. It's truly honored for me to come in

643
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Speaker 1: and help guide the ship in terms of what I

644
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: hope to bring into this space and into this into reform.

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00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, me being kind of a community organizer,

646
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: knowing what people on the ground really think, and also

647
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: me being in positions where I ran campaigns and one

648
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: campaigns in states like California, o Hio, Michigan, Texas, Florida.

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00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: I work in California. We've reduced the prison population there,

650
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: but of course of thirty percent. When I moved to

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00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: California in two thousand and twelve, we had about one

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy yars old thousand people in our prison system.

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Speaker 1: Today we're right at ninety six thousand. That's big change,

654
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: that's big reform and so reform as possible, impact as possible.

655
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Speaker 1: And now I'm even more excited to join these titans

656
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: in their own field, in their own respect, to come

657
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: together and bring the form alliance to a whole new level. Now,

658
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: rob but you kind of look like Van with hair

659
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: just a little bit. Maybe maybe it's the zoom, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but you kind of look like Van with

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00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: hair just a little taddy bit. I want I appreciate that,

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00:34:53,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know, as I said that, Okay, I'm sorry, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, man, you know, Van is gonna

664
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Speaker 1: go down is one of the great you know, thinkers

665
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: and communication minds of this generation. For sure. He's a

666
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: true genius. And so just coming in to a space

667
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: where he's built a highly competent team and and and

668
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: move in the organization from upstart to high performing, it's

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Speaker 1: a true honor. So yeah, I look forward to continuing

670
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Speaker 1: to work with Van. He's being elevated to the board

671
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Speaker 1: as well as the team that he already has. But

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Speaker 1: that's all you spoke on it a little bit, Robert,

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Speaker 1: But what do you hope to specifically accomplish with your

674
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Speaker 1: new leadership, bro? So specifically, our goal is to move

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Speaker 1: a million people, offer probation and parole and create real

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00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: pathways to work, to wealth and well be This is

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Speaker 1: critical when we talk about how we're going to end

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Speaker 1: mass incarceration. We're gonna do it by changing law us

679
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: to keep people from going in. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: it by strength, shrenthing the length people stay. And we're

681
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Speaker 1: going to do it by making sure people have real

682
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Speaker 1: pathways when it come out so they can fully re

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Speaker 1: enterest into society in ways that will help them succeed.

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Speaker 1: We have to do it at all fronts, and so

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Speaker 1: reforms role and what I'm going to continue to work

686
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: on based on what was already there, it's to hone

687
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: in on how people on probation and parole are in

688
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: this trap, are in this trap where they have these

689
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: stipulations that really aren't nearly impossible to hold when and

690
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: also have a family and a job. And and so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna change how people are probation and pro are treated.

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Speaker 1: We're going to stop the pipeline that people are probation

693
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: parole are in because basically probation prole today it's prison

694
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Speaker 1: preparedness and and and we need to stop that pipeline.

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Speaker 1: That that that's resulting in people infermation for all going

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Speaker 1: into prison. All Right, we got more with Michael Rubin

697
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and Robert Rooks when we come back. Is the breakfast Club,

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Speaker 1: Good morning morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne

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Speaker 1: the guy. We are the breakfast Club. We have Michael

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Speaker 1: Ruben and Robert Rooks in the building. But the things

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Speaker 1: that you would say that the administration needs to do

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00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: right now in order to improve conditions and also to

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: make sure less people are going to prison and not

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00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: getting these lengthy terms. Yeah, First of all, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about the income administration. I am thrilled by some of

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Speaker 1: the decisions and moves that they've made to set up

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Speaker 1: this conversation. Some of my closest colleagues are going in

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Speaker 1: UM so you know, I text them to Hey, you

709
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: know we're coming. You know, you know we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: having a direct conversation about this issue. One of the

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00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: things I would love to see the administration do is

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00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: incentivize good behavior, good practices at the state level. And

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Speaker 1: when we guid into mass incarceration, one of the ways

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Speaker 1: was that in the ninety four crimac they incentivized states

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Speaker 1: to pass truth in sentencing laws, and so states a

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Speaker 1: handful of states follow that lead, receive additional resources from

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Speaker 1: the federal government and grew their prison systems. We can

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Speaker 1: do that in reverse. We can incentivize states to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you're coming up with true alternatives to incarceration, if

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Speaker 1: you're coming up with programs that's going to build out

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Speaker 1: health and support for people on probation and parole, we

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Speaker 1: can incentivize you. We can give you resources to build

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Speaker 1: those things out. That's one of the key things I

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Speaker 1: would love for this administration to do is incentivize states

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Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You know, it's interesting, right

726
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Speaker 1: because Donald Trump might go down to history as the

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00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: worst president of all time, but in terms of reform,

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Speaker 1: you can't act like you didn't take a first step

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00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: with the first step back. So do you think Present

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Speaker 1: and Biden his administration will take a second step and

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Speaker 1: a third one on the fourth proNT Like, how do

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Speaker 1: you think they helped to cause a reform? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: think I think they have a mandate too. You know,

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Speaker 1: black folks showed up in key places like Michigan and Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and black folks want to see the criminal justice system

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Speaker 1: change like it's it's it's clear, it's unapologeticum, and it's

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00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: right and and and so there's certainly a mandate to

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Speaker 1: do the right thing here. I expect Biden is going

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Speaker 1: to do everything he can and his administration to do

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Speaker 1: the right thing. How the politics line up, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But here's what's important about this conversation too. You know,

742
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: we can't wait for Superman, like, we can't show up

743
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: in the polls and then wait and see what the

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00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: administration is going to do. We have to engage. We

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00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: have to just like we organize during the election, we

746
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: have to organize like that now to get what we want.

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00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: That's how democracy works, That's how politics work. And so

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Speaker 1: I would I would message to your folks. It's like, hey,

749
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: let's let's let's get together, let's talk about the things

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Speaker 1: we wanted to see the administration do, and let's put

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00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: their appropriate pressure on and so the to get them

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00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: to do it. And with all the new marijuana laws

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Speaker 1: and people who are still in jail because of marijuana,

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Speaker 1: how do we make sure that they get out? Yeah? No,

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00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: that's that that that's an excellent point. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: there are a number of ways we can do. I

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00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: would just first like to see an executive order that

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00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: that basically, uh, you know what, pardons everyone that's that's

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00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: in on on marijuana. Yes, man, you know that that

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00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: what makes the most sense. You have on one end,

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Speaker 1: people uh in businesses that's making money um off of marijuana,

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00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: which which which they should and we need to make

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Speaker 1: sure that uh that that that that there's proper race

764
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: representation in those businesses. But at the same time, we

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Speaker 1: can't have people serving out time that's what people are

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Speaker 1: now making money on. Just doesn't make sense. I'm actually

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00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: upset with the Biden Harris administration about that, only because

768
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Speaker 1: that's something they ran on. Even when it was the

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00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: Senate race in Georgia. They were saying, if you want

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Speaker 1: we need to be decriminalized, vote for John Auso and

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00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: Ralph war nug Like. That should have been something that

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Speaker 1: they handled. Literally in the first few days, decriminalized marijuana

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Speaker 1: free all of the people that are in jail with

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00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: non violent drug offenses for week. No imagine you're sitting

775
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: in jail for a marijuana offense and weed has been

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00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: decriminalized and companies are making millions of dollars off of

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00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: it and you're still in jail. You know, I would

778
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: have said that was impossible before four years ago, before

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00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: I got to understand the system. Now, I'd say that's

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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: a normal day. And that's why we all need to

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00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: bear to face. These laws go state by state, put

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00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: pressure on everyone that matters, and you know, get to

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Speaker 1: a better place. You know, unfortunately, you know this is

784
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: the country's not effective. You've got a completely broken criminal

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00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: justice system. Is not logical, and that's why we got

786
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: to bring out every resource and get people really working

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00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: together to fix these problems. It's logic does not prevail

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00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: until you're forced to prevail. Now, you're right, Michael, Now, Michael, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, right you and Robert Meek has been the

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00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: face of this for a while. Are you bringing on

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Speaker 1: other individuals? Yeah, i'd say me. The way I really

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00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: look at this is Meek was really the inspiration of this,

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00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: and you gotta kind of go back to what really happened.

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00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: You know, I had no understanding that this shoul really happened.

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Speaker 1: I lived through it with me, you know, we talked

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Speaker 1: every day about how when he got out of prison,

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00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: we had to do something about this and that is

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00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: that will always be an inspiration far while we started

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00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: this and will never kind of forget that. But I

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Speaker 1: think what Meek says all the time, and I agree

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00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: with this is this is about getting the everyday meets

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00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: where there's millions of people that are unfairly stuck within

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Speaker 1: the system. I think one of the things that was

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Speaker 1: so exciting to be Robert. He's built so many different

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Speaker 1: campaigns about taking people that have been adversely affected in

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Speaker 1: a state and using the everyday people to really help

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00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: shed a light on these issues. So this is what

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Speaker 1: Robert's done in his entire career. This is why roberts

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Speaker 1: the perfect person to take reform you know kind of

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Speaker 1: ford And that's what I'm so excited about. So Robert,

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Speaker 1: I love you to jump in and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk about what you've done and writing kind of what

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Speaker 1: a normal, you know campaign is like in your life,

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00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: because we're gonna do the same thing here the everyday

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00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: people affected by this every iteration, it's exactly what Michael said.

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00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: It's about bringing everyday people to the table to let

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Speaker 1: their voices be heard about what they want out of

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Speaker 1: the justice system. My most recent iteration of that at

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00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Alliance and Safety Injustice was to hear from and elevate

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Speaker 1: the voices of victims of crime. You know, historically people

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Speaker 1: may think victims want to throw people in prison and

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Speaker 1: throw away to keep. What we found is that when

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Speaker 1: you talk to victims and communities hit hard by crimon violence,

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Speaker 1: when we talk to black folk that's been victimized by crime,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to throw people in prison and throw

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Speaker 1: away to keep. They want to stop what happened from

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Speaker 1: happening again. They want real investments in their community. They

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Speaker 1: want treatment instead of incarceration, they want investments in mental health.

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Speaker 1: And what we saw was that there was a missing

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Speaker 1: voice in the criminal justice debate, that these folks who've

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Speaker 1: been impacted by crime and violence didn't have a stay

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Speaker 1: and at the same time, their name was being used

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00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: to justify mass incarceration. And so part of our work

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Speaker 1: was to elevate the voices of victims to say, not

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Speaker 1: in my name, We do not want to see prisons

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Speaker 1: and jails built. We want investments in our communities to

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Speaker 1: start crime for happening. So now we're at the Lions

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Speaker 1: of Safety and Justice have over one hundred thousand members

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Speaker 1: victims of crime. We weighed in on the election. We

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Speaker 1: had a whole campaign called Heal the Vote, which was

841
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: bringing these stories to lie as to what we want

842
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: the justice system to say. And so yeah, I have

843
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: a background experience of bringing people together, elevating their voices,

844
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: and moving in in direction of making real change happen.

845
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: You know the reason I asked about that is because

846
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think about Michael and Philly, and you

847
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: know there's a brother in Philly, man who who did

848
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: twenty years in prison. You know who's peaks out about

849
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: the injustices that happened in prison, and that's Wallow. I

850
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: would love to see Wallow down with the Reform Alliance

851
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: in some way shape reform. Do you know Wallow? Michael?

852
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I think I've met Wallow. I'm pretty sure I have.

853
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you something. One of the great

854
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: things by having a Meek Mill, a Jay z a

855
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft as founding members of this is they've been

856
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: so much more attention to it, gets so many more

857
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: people to want to help. One thing is to get

858
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: everyone who's affected to work together. But if we get

859
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: the people that art effected to care about this issue

860
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: and work together, that's bigger than anything. And the great

861
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: thing is with our board members, they're always saying, like,

862
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: what else can we do? Who do you want me

863
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: to call? How can I help? And you know, we

864
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: gotta do that on a massive scale. And so we

865
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: need your guy, and we need millions of people, and

866
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: we need them of all the backgrounds, because that's the

867
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: only way we're gonna fix this. If not, it's gonna

868
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: be the same thing that happens, you know, for the

869
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: past twenty years. I'm telling me we got all. I'm

870
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: gonna tell me Kla Wallow, all right, we got more

871
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: with Michael Rubin and Robert Rooks. When we come back,

872
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: it's the breakfast club. Good morning, working on a weekend

873
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: like usual, way off and it deepen like usual. Swear

874
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: they passed us. They're doing too much. Haven't done my taxes.

875
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm too turned up. Virgil got a paddock on my

876
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: risk going nuts. Caught me slipping once. Okay, So what

877
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: someone hits your block up? I tell you if it

878
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: was us man, our house in Rosewood too. Plus save

879
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: my Day's a number. But I keep waking up. No,

880
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: you see my text, baby, please say something fine by

881
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: the class man, our chiefs gain home, gotta move on

882
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: my release, staying home. This is fame, knockclout. I don't

883
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: even know what that's about. Watch your mouth, baby, got

884
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: it ego twice the size of the crib. I can

885
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: never tell it that it is what it is, said

886
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: what I had to and did what I did. Never

887
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: term my medal, mg goverbid Virgil got Paddock on my

888
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: rist doing front flips, giving you my number. But don't

889
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: get me, you don't. I'm done morning. Everybody is DJ

890
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: Envy Angela yee. Charlomagne the guy. We are the breakfast club.

891
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: We have Michael Ruben and Robert Rooks in the building. Charlomagne.

892
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: You know when I look at you know, Robert Kraft,

893
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: and I look at Jay Z and I look at

894
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: Michael Rubin buying fifty million dollar houses in the Hampton's,

895
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: I have to ask, what is the pay like for

896
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: the CEO reform? Robert, Hey, hey, listen. You know this

897
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: is a generational problem, right. The issue of probation parole

898
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: is an issue that undermines individuals, undermines families, undermines community,

899
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: undermines the economic net of possibilities for everyday people. And

900
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: so we're going to be weighing in and changing that.

901
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: And we have generational actors Jay Z and Mike Rubin

902
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: or honor Um and others. These are people that have

903
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: made significant impact in their own space coming together and

904
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a generational change. But I was talking

905
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: about generational wealth and the generational wealth they have and

906
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: how much of that are they giving to you to

907
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: be ceo. Oh yeah, no, no, I'm getting there, and

908
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate, but I just wanted the highlight. He just

909
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: he comes out with the hard charging questions and I'm

910
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: sure tell you what's up? How was you making? Man?

911
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: I know right, I'm sure the biggest day office though,

912
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: when you see the effect that it has on families

913
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: and on people who are you know, cause, imagine how

914
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: much that affects people's families, not even just a person

915
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: who goes to jail or is on probation. That affects

916
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: the whole family. So in the whole community that you

917
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: have entire communities where like fifty percent of the folks

918
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: are in the system somehow fitting the black men, let

919
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: me say, are in the system. Where do you think

920
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: that does to the tax base? Where do you think

921
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: that does to the household to the community, to parks,

922
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: to like activities, sports like it undermines all of that,

923
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: and so we need to just get the weight of

924
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: the system off of everyday people's backs. And and that's

925
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: what that's what one hey, Charlotte Mane I alway had

926
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: to tell them because the question you ask is actually

927
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: an important question, and the reason is the way we

928
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: want to build a Reform Alliance is like an entrepreneur

929
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: based venture company, go out and get the best talent.

930
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: That's a win. One of the problems when you're looking

931
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: at a lot of you know, I'm just being blood,

932
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: a lot of charitable work just across the world is

933
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of people who care deeply about

934
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: the issue, but they're not beasts. We need beasts to

935
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Robert's a beast. Okay, Van was

936
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: a beast on this. Robert's gonna build a team like

937
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: Robert's got an incredible team that Van built that he's

938
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of work with, and he's going to

939
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: continue to build that team. And I gotta tell you

940
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: something in my company, in my day job, but it's

941
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: no different with the Reform Alliance. We will never stop

942
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: to get the best talent available to winner what we

943
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: want to do. And I'll tell you it comes back

944
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: to when we started the Reform Alliance. I don't want

945
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: to say who it was, but I had a really

946
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: close friend of mine, really successful person, and he said,

947
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: you know, kind of what's your goal? And I said,

948
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think my goals should be? Says,

949
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I think you should get You should have been going

950
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: to get ten thousand people off information for all. I

951
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: thought about it for mini. I said, we're gonna do

952
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: a million. He said, huh. I said, we want to

953
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: get a million people out of the system. He said,

954
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: how'd you come up with that? I said, well, there's

955
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: four and a half million people on probation for all.

956
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: Then there's there's probably two or three million too many,

957
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: so millions of nothing goal. It's only like I have

958
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: for a third of the people that we shouldn't be

959
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: getting necessary, so it's an easy goal. He said, well,

960
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I think ten thousands of right number. And the reason

961
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: I tell you this story is because you have to

962
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: think big. You have to build big. It's no different

963
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: than business. What you guys do. You guys probably all

964
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: have dreamings and he just keep pushing and pushing, so

965
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: for me coming up with a goal of getting a

966
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: million people of the system, which we just gotta hit.

967
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, we've got hundreds of thousands of

968
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: people already coming out of permission probas so what we've

969
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: done in California, Michigan, the other states. So we're tracking

970
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: through our boat getting a million people out of the system.

971
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: It's the same thing when you build an organization. We

972
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: wanted to get Robert to be our next CEO. We

973
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: want Robert to have any the tools he needs to

974
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: have the most successful organization so that we win and

975
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: what we want to do because if not, how we

976
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: actually accomplish this boy ball call. No y'all y'all have

977
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: y'all have really really really elevated the conversation about prison

978
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: reform with the Reformer lines, and it is very inspiring.

979
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: I've you know, I've had conversations with dads about this

980
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: just I want to build something like this for mental

981
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: health as well, just because what y'all have done with

982
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: the Reformer Lines, It's created this big, large conversation that

983
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: transcends hip hop, pop culture and just you know, everyday society.

984
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's dope, that's how you get things done. Yeah.

985
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: That I love hearing that. That makes me so happy

986
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: because to me, you know, we got to find inspiration

987
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: to inspire ourselves in the same way that meeting inspired,

988
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, all of us collectively to start the reformal lines.

989
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: You know, if in any small way we help you

990
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: to go out into something great, that's incredible. I can

991
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: tell you. It's funny. Mental health is an issue that

992
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: I never understood. And you know, I like I was

993
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: always just kind of given by the way my mom

994
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: was a psychiatrist. I grew up in an environment it

995
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: was just like kind of you set your mind is

996
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: something and you know, you have blinders on them. And

997
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: then I realized, like in the last five or ten years, well,

998
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: this is a much bigger issue than I understood, and

999
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's somebody and by the way, you know,

1000
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: big about people that are stuck with it. Like, by

1001
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: the way, the people that I think have so many

1002
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, been so adverssively affected by mental health. Is

1003
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: when you grow up in an environment, a ruthless environment,

1004
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: how are you not going to have you know, significant

1005
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: mental health issues prevalent in your community. So somebody like

1006
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: you that puts this on the shoulders can make a

1007
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: huge difference. And it's about by the way, it's about

1008
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: thinking differently, just being unrelented, and that's like, that's what

1009
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: makes you know, I know what we do business, what

1010
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: I you know what we're doing with the reform lines.

1011
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: We just don't quit. It's like you're just you're saying,

1012
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: I got this big goal, I'm gonna go after I'm

1013
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: not gonna fucking quit. I acomplish it. And it's the

1014
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: same thing if you do that. So you know, I'd

1015
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: love to help you in any way possible because it

1016
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: is a really big issue that I understand better now

1017
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: than I did in the past. Still not well enough,

1018
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: but you know, you can make a huge difference. And

1019
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: you know what that's that will be more impactful than

1020
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: anything else you do, because I can tell you, um,

1021
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I've had a fair amount of

1022
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: success in business and I love it and completely driven

1023
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: by it. But I'm so excited about like I'm you know,

1024
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm more excited to be talking about reformal lines than

1025
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: I am about anything else because it's the millions of

1026
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: people's lives that we can affect, and that's you know,

1027
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: when I'm not here one day, you know that'll be

1028
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: probably you know, the thing that I'll be, you know,

1029
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: most proud about looking up. So yeah, and I mean

1030
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: in a gold hand to hand with what y'all doing,

1031
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you go to prison for ten

1032
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years, you think you're not gonna come home and

1033
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: have to judge, you don't think you're dealing with no

1034
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: mental health issue. I think if you go rob oh yeah, no,

1035
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: I just want to jump in trouble. May Man. So

1036
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: good to hear you say this, and it is directly

1037
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: connected to what we're gonna do or perform, alliance. We're

1038
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: gonna shrink the system that like, that's what we're gonna

1039
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna shrink the system. It's an eighty billion dollar

1040
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: budget right now for prisons and jails and and and

1041
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: to keep people in the cartural state. We're gonna shrink that.

1042
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna take the money out of that and invested

1043
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: in real programs and opportunities for people at the local level.

1044
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: And that's mental health. That's mental health, that that substitutes treatment.

1045
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: Those are things that allow us to get at what's

1046
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: the root cause of some of these crimes. We're only

1047
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: putting a band aid on on issues and it's not

1048
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: helping anyone. And so as we are successful moving those

1049
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: resources to mental health program it would be great to

1050
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Speaker 1: have a partner like you Mantus elevating the issue, talking

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00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: about the state by state and ensuring that these programs

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00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: get off the ground so they can help everyday people.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to butcher this number, but I believe

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Speaker 1: and Robert keep me honest. Here in California, once we

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Speaker 1: implemented the one year cap on misdemeanors and to your

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Speaker 1: cap unfelony probation, I think they projected they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a two billion dollars savings over the next five years,

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00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: and the number one thing they talk about is investing

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Speaker 1: that in mental illness and mental health. Now, how like,

1060
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: how beautiful is that we have a screwed up system

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: that we're for fixing. We're then taking call savings and

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Speaker 1: invest in an area that needs, you know, incredible investment.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that's like, actually, you know, you gotta

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Speaker 1: give it to Gavenues with the governor California. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this guy has had a lot of courage and he's

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Speaker 1: taken by way, he's taking a lot of shit for

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00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, being out there and doing the right thing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's done a lot for criminal justice

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Speaker 1: before him. And I gotta tell you, you know, I

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Speaker 1: only met him in the last year every way during

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Speaker 1: this process, but he's a guy who's put this stuff

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Speaker 1: on his shoulders and said I'm gonna do the right

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00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: thing and I'm gonna take the savings to invest in

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Speaker 1: other areas with a lot of backlash, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people fighting against him, but he's the guy who, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's had courage to to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: make big, big changes and really set a standard and

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00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: news standard for other states to look at and say,

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Speaker 1: this is the way we should operate. If we could

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Speaker 1: have the laws in California and every state in the country,

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Speaker 1: we'd be a rap on probation and pro law changes.

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00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: There's still be so much more work to do. We

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00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: have the laws right and that we have the framework

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00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: right to go do so much other work as a

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00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: you know, as an out out him output them getting

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Speaker 1: those changes made. That's right. Reformer Lions dot Com Michael Rubin,

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Speaker 1: Robert Rookes, thank y'all appreciate everything. Y'all are doing my brothers.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys, thanks so much. All right, the bas club,

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00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: thank you. Take care of you. Get dunk or h

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00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fatten all that shit around your eyes. They

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Speaker 1: want this man to Dogan blowers. Many wait for Charlomaye

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Speaker 1: to top these gloves. Let's go. They have to make

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00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: a judgment who was going to be on the donkey

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Speaker 1: of the day. They chose you because the breakfast Club, bitchy,

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00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: who's donkey of the day to day donkey of the

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Speaker 1: day goes to Peter the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals. Now,

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Speaker 1: respect Peter and what they stand for. Won't stop me

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Speaker 1: from enjoying the flesh of delicious creatures like cows, chickens, turkeys, lambs, goats,

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Speaker 1: and various fish. What about oxes, I tell's real ox Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed those two. Listen. I'm from Monks Corner, South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: All day. I eat dead meat, all right, don't think

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Speaker 1: for one second, baby won't get eaten if it's cooked right,

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00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: squirreled dumplings. I've eaten bad shoulder in West Virginia. Look, man,

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00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: I am an omnivore. Okay, meat and plants that's what

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00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: I like. But I respect Peter. Okay. Some things I

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00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: agree with when it comes to them. Okay. One thing

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00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: I agree with is I don't like seeing animals caged. Okay.

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00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: I think zoos are animal prisons. And it's something about

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00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: knowing people went to kidnap animals to enslave them that

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00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: feels all too familiar to my ancestors. Okay. I also

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00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: don't like to see animals tortured when they boiled them alive,

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: or hanging them up in those meat markets, just stick

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00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: hooks through them, listening to them scream. I hate it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I want you to make it to my dinner plate.

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00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: It's peacefully, it's possible. Now we have had Ingrid Nork,

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Peter on Breakfast Club. By the way,

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Speaker 1: let me refresh your memory. Play some clips from it.

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Speaker 1: We ate everybody else, and I say everybody who, well,

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00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: we ate veal. For example, that was one no. You know, hey, Charmante,

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Speaker 1: you know feel it's the baby cow and the mother

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: loves that cow. I've heard people say you should always

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00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: eat the mother. If you're gonna eat the well, it

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: actually would be a courtesy if you shot the mother first.

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Speaker 1: In the head when she wasn't looking. But no, I

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Speaker 1: still ate shellfish until one day in a restaurant they

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Speaker 1: brought a plate of live lobsters. To the time. When

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00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: I see that, when you walk into a restaurant and

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Speaker 1: you can see the live though, I'm like, oh man,

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: how could you love it? Know you jun't. You're just pretending.

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00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: I know you, and you know what's happening out in

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Speaker 1: the West Colorado. In those places they people are getting

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00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: Kreutzfeldt yakub disease. It's just like mad cow disease, and

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00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: it's add elk disease. Elk is really tasty. I'm not

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Speaker 1: that at those time that you ate. Then good morning, Ingrid.

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: You're welcome back at any time. But I'm telling you

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00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: right now, when you come back, when you are debating

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: this foolishness, that Peter release you. According to various news sources,

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Speaker 1: Peta is calling on humans to denounce animal insults like chicken,

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: our pig our rat. I repeat, Peter is calling on

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00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: humans to denounce animal insults like chicken, our pig, are rat.

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00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: Let me think of a good animal insult for this

1142
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Speaker 1: um bush. Okay, let's go to Oa and for the

1143
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: report Place PETA, otherwise known as People for the Ethical

1144
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: Treatment of Animals is back and more woke than ever.

1145
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: The organization posted a thread of tweets explain what they

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00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: call speciism, which, according to them, is when humans use

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00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: animals as an insult, for example, calling someone a chicken

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: when they're scared or a rat when they snitch. Peter

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00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: says that these are anti animal slurs that perpetuate oppression,

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: and that we must reject the supremacist language and offer

1151
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: what they call inclusive words like coward or snitch very unifying.

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01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: Peter says that by using animal speech, she says adjectives

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01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: were degrading animals and reinforcing the idea that humans are

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01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: superior to other animals and therefore justified in violating them.

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Speaker 1: What Dodo bird at Peter came up with this idea? Okay,

1156
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: how dare you say calling someone an animal is an insult? Okay,

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: you said you said calling someone an animal is an

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01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: insult that reinforces the myth that humans are superior to

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Speaker 1: other animals and justified in violating them. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you are discrediting all the times we use animals as

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Speaker 1: terms of endearment, If I say that's my dog, Okay,

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01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: that's my dog, that's love. If I say, man, he's

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: one cool chat, that's love. If I say, and that's

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01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: on Mary had a little lamb, I am put in

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Speaker 1: respect on Lamb CHOP's name. So Peter, don't act like

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Speaker 1: we don't use animals as terms of endearment. But the

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Speaker 1: reason you folks at Peter are really getting donkey of

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: the day is for one simple reason. Y'all worried about

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Speaker 1: the myth that humans are superior to animals. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe we are superior to animals. I believe we are

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Speaker 1: one with animals. I believe in unity consciousness. And when

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Speaker 1: it's true unity, you don't tell me what my name is.

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: I repeat, when it's true unity, you don't tell me

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Speaker 1: what my name is. Peter, you upset at us for

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: calling someone an animal is an insult. The real insult

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Speaker 1: is you didn't even let those animals name themselves. Who

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Speaker 1: named the pig a pig? NVD? You know, Angelie? Do

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Speaker 1: you know? I don't know? Who named the chicken a chicken?

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: Who named the snake of snake? Who named the slot

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: for slot? Who amongst us has ever had a conversation

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Speaker 1: with any of those animals, and they introduced themselves as

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Speaker 1: any of the aforementioned names. Names. Okay, I have watched

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Speaker 1: Roots enough times to know that when the colonizer wants

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Speaker 1: your name to be something, he doesn't care what your

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Speaker 1: name actually is. God, Okay, if the Creator put those here,

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01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: and according to the Bible, Adam gave the creatures their names.

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Speaker 1: Looking up, pull out your Lebron James version of the Bible,

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01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: it says Adam named the animals. Now, when you do

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Speaker 1: some more digging, and I'm sure it's folks out there

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Speaker 1: who really do this for a living and have way

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01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: more information than me, But when you do some real digging,

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01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: you realize that a lot of times folks were just

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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: winging it. Penguins nobody knows how they got their name,

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01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: but once upon a time they were called ours feet,

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: hippopotamuses okay, means river horse in Greek. Raccoons used to

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: be called washbears. My point is that damn colonizer wants

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Speaker 1: to call animals whatever they choose, but wants us to

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Speaker 1: respect the fact that we shouldn't call each other something

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Speaker 1: they made up, when the reality is all those animals

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: were named those things without their consent. Oh, Peter, you're

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: playing a dangerous game. Who amongst you has had a

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: conversation with a giraffe to know that that is indeed

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01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: what they want to be called. At least Toys or

1204
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: Us actually called their giraffe Jeffrey. They gave that creature,

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01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: that animal a real name, Peter, you said it yourself.

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: Words can create a more inclusive world. Our perpetuate oppression.

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01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: By not allowing animals to name themselves, we as humans

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01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: are oppressing them. What if sasquash Bigfoot? What if his

1209
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: name really was Harry and then Henderson's were correct? What

1210
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: if that mouse name really is Many? And the only

1211
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: reason Disney got it right is because they spoke to

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01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: her and asked her what her name was and didn't

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01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: just tell her what she was. Now, when Ingrid new

1214
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: work was here, she broke down specism. Let's listen. What

1215
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: is specism? Because I read something about that and I

1216
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: was like it was a language, right, like don't say

1217
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: things like dog on or no almost. But it's just

1218
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: against supremacism and speciesism says, don't think you're a god

1219
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: just because you belong to one species, just because you're

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Speaker 1: in control, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be decent to

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Speaker 1: the other species. So it took human supremacism, discrimination prejudice

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Speaker 1: against others because they're not exactly like you. Ingrid, You're

1223
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: right for the most part, okay. Depending where we are,

1224
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: humans are in control. You're in that water, no sharks, whales,

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01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: they have control. Okay, But it's nothing decent about labeling

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Speaker 1: someone are some animal something they never told you they were,

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01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: until Ingrid are someone at Peter sits down and has

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Speaker 1: a conversation. When one of these animals, and one of

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Speaker 1: these animals tells us, yes I am indeed a kangaroo,

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01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: or yes I am indeed a lama, then Peter will

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Speaker 1: have to continue to hear these animal insults. And I

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: am about to play a sound from one of the

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Speaker 1: animals used to insult people for the past ten years

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: on this radio by simply saying, dramas, please give Peter

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Speaker 1: the biggest he haul. All right, Charlot Mane, thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. Donke in a day, yes, ma'am, all right,

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Speaker 1: we got more coming up next. We're a breakfast Club,

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Speaker 1: the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club Morning

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Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We

1240
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest with

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Speaker 1: us this morning, Lorienne Gibson. Morning, Lorian, dance your dance

1242
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Speaker 1: eight Steps to Alicia Passion and live your dream. Welcome,

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: Hey guys. Oh my god, you guys got my bugs?

1244
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: How emostly amazing is that? Oh my gosh, you've been,

1245
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: You've been, You've been around for a long time. You

1246
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: were oge How stupid to zoom interviews feel stupid? I

1247
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: was really upset that I couldn't be there. I'm like,

1248
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: this just doesn't feel right, just to be one hundred

1249
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh you could have gained We're starting to have guests finally,

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: So if you would have been in New York area,

1251
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: we would rather you be in person. Yeah, me too.

1252
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: This feels very foreign, and because we're all family and

1253
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much, it feels really weird.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, very happy to

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Speaker 1: have this moment to promote something that is so incredibly

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Speaker 1: amazing and it look I can't even express how grateful

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Speaker 1: I am to get this book out, this messaging. It's

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Speaker 1: breadcrumbs to never giving up. That's what I'm calling it. So,

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Speaker 1: why did it take you so long to write this book?

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Speaker 1: It feels like this book should have been in people's

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Speaker 1: hands a long time ago. I think because ultimately, it

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Speaker 1: took a while to understand how to communicate my methodology,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted it to go beyond the artist that

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Speaker 1: I've built. You know, you build superstars, you build big stars,

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Speaker 1: and you hope that their narrative matches your narrative, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes when it doesn't, then you feel frustrated, and then

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Speaker 1: you want to be able to communicate all of you,

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Speaker 1: not just some of you, through the art that you make.

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Speaker 1: So this book is the beginning of me touching every

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Speaker 1: single dreamwarrior, every single visionary, every entrepreneur, every person who

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to have to feel like they have to

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Speaker 1: be like someone else in order to succeed. The understanding

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Speaker 1: of your passion, driving your choices, having your dream, and

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Speaker 1: it's supported by situations that I have been through where

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Speaker 1: I have received the revelation in order to help you

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Speaker 1: understand that these eight steps are something that you can

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Speaker 1: go back to in your fight, you know, against situations

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Speaker 1: that are oppressive or less than perfect for your well being.

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Speaker 1: So it's really awesome. It took a while to become

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Speaker 1: all that I needed to be. Yeah, there were so

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Speaker 1: many things about you that I did not know. And

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Speaker 1: you do start up the book just basically talking about

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Speaker 1: your childhood, and you had one teacher who made you

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Speaker 1: feel well, wanted to make you feel like you could

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Speaker 1: never be a ballerina, and thank god you didn't listen

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Speaker 1: to that. And you stress the importance of early education

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Speaker 1: and how teachers really do make such a big difference

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Speaker 1: in your lives, as well as your parents just supporting

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Speaker 1: your dreams. Can you talk about that? Yeah, I really

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Speaker 1: believe that seeds that are planted early. You know, I

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01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: had a natural ability to fight off something that didn't

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Speaker 1: align itself with my truth and my dream at a

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Speaker 1: very young age, I was born to dance. I tell

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Speaker 1: people I had a passion for dance that was not normal.

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Speaker 1: And because of this passion, because of this love, when

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Speaker 1: I met mister Christopher who said my feet were too

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Speaker 1: flat and my back wasn't arched because I was black,

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Speaker 1: and he said that I would never be a ballerina,

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Speaker 1: there was something inside of me that was warring against

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Speaker 1: that seed taking route inside of me. So I use

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Speaker 1: that so that these kids can really understand when they

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Speaker 1: dare to dream and they come up against something somebody

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Speaker 1: that hasn't experienced their gift, or you may be the

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Speaker 1: person to change the narratives to be the new version.

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Speaker 1: You know, everyone's meant for a certain time. So when

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Speaker 1: you carry an original gift, you have to understand how

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Speaker 1: to really repel a seed that could build insecurity versus

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Speaker 1: empower your individualism or your uniqueness. That sounds like no.

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Speaker 1: I was just like mister Christopher white Man, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, because in my head and

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Speaker 1: in my heart, I'm not only a ballerina, but I'm

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Speaker 1: every type of dance and I see myself staring and leaping,

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Speaker 1: and so I held onto that. And then when I

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Speaker 1: thought Alvin Eley twelve years old at the o'keef Center,

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Speaker 1: I was able to visually connect the feeling of my

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Speaker 1: dream just seeing those powerful black ballerina store on stage.

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Speaker 1: I want to unpack that a little more because the

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Speaker 1: subtitle is eight steps to Unleash your passion and live

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Speaker 1: your dream. Right, how does one really live their dream?

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes folks will see you, or they'll see a

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Speaker 1: diddy or anybody who's successful and they say that's my dream,

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Speaker 1: that's what I want to do. I want to do

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. But that's not really their dream is

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Speaker 1: they just see it working for someone else. So how

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Speaker 1: do you help someone really live their dream and find

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Speaker 1: their dream of Well that's why it's eight steps. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: like choreography, eight counts, but it's eight steps. So once

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Speaker 1: you dare to dream and you define and you define

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Speaker 1: your passion, you know it can never be compared to

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Speaker 1: I talk about staying in your yes by step four

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Speaker 1: because the comparing is what is causing the confusion. Once

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Speaker 1: everyone has their own dreams, their own DNA, their own passion,

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Speaker 1: we're all uniquely built. And that's part of why we

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Speaker 1: have to change the narrative, especially in the music industy history,

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Speaker 1: especially in the culture. They're always trying to remake something

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Speaker 1: that's already out. And so yes, you can use what

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Speaker 1: I've done as inspiration, but that's why you got to

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Speaker 1: dance your own dance. No two people are going to

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Speaker 1: take the same role. Those are just the facts. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the HL help you identify your passion, identify

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Speaker 1: your uniqueness, and then I help you understand it and

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Speaker 1: secure the confidence to stay in it. Be inspired by others,

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: but define yourself by yourself. You don't think people. As

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Speaker 1: a choreographer, you know, sometimes you have to teach people

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Speaker 1: how to dance. Can you teach anybody how to dance?

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Speaker 1: And who probably was the toughest person to teach how

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Speaker 1: to move in dance? I absolutely think everybody in dance

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Speaker 1: everybody it's a dance is pedestrian. Dance is just your

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Speaker 1: own understanding, your own body, your own rhythm, how your

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Speaker 1: spirit moves, understanding how to be fearless with the physicality

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Speaker 1: of your body. Yet I can teach anyone to dance.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was a challenge, Pop Daddy, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaje,

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Speaker 1: Katy Barry, everybody has their own challenges. But just like that,

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Speaker 1: everyone has their own unique dance. But I don't really

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Speaker 1: see the challenges. I see what's not there. I see

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Speaker 1: what you can do that no one can do, and

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Speaker 1: then I dig into that and I understand your rhythm.

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Speaker 1: I listen to the record, I understand where you breathe,

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Speaker 1: how you take that breath, when you should move. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I've probably built some of the biggest superstars

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Speaker 1: in the world. Because I built them based off of

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Speaker 1: their own magic. So yeah, I can teach anybody dance.

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Speaker 1: Last time you promised you're gonna teach me and Charlemagne

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Speaker 1: and routine. We don't forget about that. This is our

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Speaker 1: ten years ursery. So I want next time you can

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Speaker 1: we see you. Yes, I'm too old, Laura. My knees

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Speaker 1: ain't what they were, you know six seven years ago.

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Speaker 1: Well you ain't gonna bust it. You ain't gonna drop

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Speaker 1: on your knees. Bro. First of all, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about that little old obsession you've been

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Speaker 1: having lately. I need you to change that narrative time lift.

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Speaker 1: You keep speaking this and I'm just not accepting it

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01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: because you look great. I look amazing. I'm just getting

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: ready to rumble. I just want you to lose that narrative. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I can put some ice on the knees. Like there's

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Speaker 1: there's a million different choices to make. The problem is,

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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: but we don't understand our season, and we're making choices

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Speaker 1: like we're not in this very very good season where

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Speaker 1: we don't have to touch our toes and get down

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Speaker 1: as low as we used to. I like being an

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Speaker 1: og though, I'm embracing it. I'm forty two. I actually

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Speaker 1: love it. I think people have this negative connotation on

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Speaker 1: the world old. I love it. No, I didn't say

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Speaker 1: it's listen well, okay, tomato tomato, right. I OG is

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01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: about wisdom and that's just lacking. So I do agree

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Speaker 1: with you. You know, like you know, you can have

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Speaker 1: all the talent in the world, all of what's going

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: on and got you, but you don't have the wisdom

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: to make me feel nothing. You know what I'm saying.

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: You can digitally download a record, you could do it all,

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: but you can't create an experience. Well, we open back up.

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: If you are not understanding that people will pay a good,

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01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: good price to go to a good, good show, and

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01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: you haven't taken the time to dance your dance, get

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01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: artists developed, understand your why really be connected to creating

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: an experience, then you're over right. So wisdom teaches you

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01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: the how and brings in your why. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: will never apologize for being this right this, you know

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right now, I'm with you. But when

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01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: you tell me your knees are hurting me and your

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01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: own I can't really relate. We have more with Laurie

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01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: Anne Gibson, you know Ranne Gibson, choreographer and more. Dance

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Speaker 1: Your Dance is a new book. Will kick it with

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: hus someone when we come back as the Breakfast Club

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01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 1: goal Morning Wanting everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlomagne,

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Speaker 1: the guy we are to Breakfast Club was still kicking

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Speaker 1: with Laurie Anne Gibson. Charlomagne, Laurian, You're a person that

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Speaker 1: found a purpose at an early age. It seems like

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Speaker 1: you knew who you were or wanted to be in

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: an early age. Do you think people who never knew

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01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: who they were, people who aren't securing themselves, do you

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: think they can ever get to the point, especially in

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: this era, where they can really be their authentic original

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01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: seals one hundred percent. I have to believe, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I wrote the book, because everyone has the opportunity

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01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: to arrive at their best life Step eight and live

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Speaker 1: their dreams. Yes, one hundred It is never over. It

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: is never too late. You're designed to arrive at that

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01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: place where you have a fulfilled life. I think that

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01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the times it's about understanding people around you,

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01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: and I talk about in step three, you know, building

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Speaker 1: your team. Unfortunately, sometimes a lot of young kids get

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: like like told that they can't that what's unique about

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: them is not valid. You know, my father, I had

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: a box in the basement that I would dance in

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01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: and out of. And it was in his man cave.

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Speaker 1: You know. He had like his records and his JBL

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: speakers and my father's Jamaican so you already know how

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01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: his music and his actor work sessions meant to him.

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Speaker 1: And there was a huge box in the corner and

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: I was always like dancing in and out of it.

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: And one day my father was like, let listen, man,

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Speaker 1: you haven't dash out that box. Like this box can't

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: stay in a my kids, you know. So my mother

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01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: was like, no, they shouldn't leave to pick me. Leave

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01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: her with their box. So apparently one day my father

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: asked me because my older sister told me recently, Luri Anne,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing in that box? And I said, Daddy,

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01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm bursting myself into the world. And it was later

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: that I understood when Gaga was in Europe and I

1441
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: was in LA and she played me Born Born this Way,

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: and I was like, as soon as I heard the record,

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, I had a certain creative process, and I

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: was like, I got it. We're gonna birth a race.

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01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna birth a race. Was in a race that

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01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: cannot hate. And I was obsessed with prosthetics, and I said,

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Speaker 1: and we will use prosthetics to identify this race. And

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01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: then it went on and it grew. And that's why

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: I put her in the egg and that big Grammy performance.

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01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: She was incubating, she was changing her DNA. You know,

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01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: we didn't want to break the fourth wall, but I'm

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01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: saying all that to say that little girl dancing in

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01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: and out of that box, that was the beginning of

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01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: me understanding that I was a creative visionary. And if

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Speaker 1: my parents had shut that down, I would have felt

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01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: not as competent about having that childlike imagination and understanding

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01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: how to tap into it. And today it's about an Instagram,

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: it's about a Google. It's hard for young kids to

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01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: work their imagination, work that part of the creativity, and

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Speaker 1: adults and an entrepreneur, it takes that imagination to create

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Speaker 1: a new perspective. So really super passionate about not oppressing

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01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: that which could be potentially something new that the world

1463
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: means yes, and it cloud your discernment too. You also

1464
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 1: say there's no me too movement back then when you

1465
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: were getting started, and you referenced that there were people

1466
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: who definitely and fortunately for you, you trusted your instincts. Right.

1467
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: You even describe auditioning for Bobby Brown and you didn't

1468
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: like the way he was even looking at you, and

1469
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: that would have been a great gig, but you turned

1470
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 1: it down. So how prevalent was that, because we see

1471
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: right now there is a me too movement people are

1472
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: getting closed out for things that they've done and they're

1473
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: a bad behavior. But how many times, like percentage wise,

1474
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: were those things happening to you where you felt like, Okay,

1475
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: this is a really bad situation. And was it ever

1476
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 1: escalated more than just somebody leering at you? Was it

1477
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: ever something that felt dangerous? You know what I mean?

1478
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: The climate, the culture, it was very bad. I just

1479
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: obviously I one, I have like bigs and a big

1480
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: butt back then, so I wasn't really you know, it

1481
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: was it was kind of like I was the awkward

1482
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: bird out. But when I was put in those situations,

1483
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: it was incredibly pressuring. And it was all in the culture.

1484
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: You know, backup dancers were supposed to be back up, whatever, backup,

1485
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: bad bunny, pretend girlfriend, backup, snuggle bunnies on the tour bus, whatever.

1486
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: Instentially like, no, I'm just not understanding my spirit, my passion.

1487
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: The dancer. I was like, I thought that was enough.

1488
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, it was a constant bite. But again, um

1489
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: and there. You know, there was no judgment to the

1490
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: ones that did. There was just for me a flag,

1491
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: an indicator that made me feel a certain way. And

1492
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it affects the purity

1493
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: in the gift. It affects the passion. When you're a

1494
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: young girl with a dream, those proclivities attach themselves to

1495
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,879
Speaker 1: the way you perform, to the way that you blossom,

1496
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: to the way that you grow, to the way that

1497
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: you become your dreams. So ultimately, the fact that I

1498
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: thought it off and the fact that it wasn't the

1499
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 1: popular decision, and so I got less opportunity, less checks.

1500
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: I got called so many things. She's crazy, she's this,

1501
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: she's that. Not just because I didn't want to do

1502
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: what you wanted me to do. I had to fight

1503
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: through those narratives and overcome the insecurities that were trying

1504
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: to take route. But because I did I'm able to

1505
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: have the revelation to inspire young girls. Now, if you

1506
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:48,520
Speaker 1: feel a certain way, if something goes off in you internally,

1507
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: that is an indicator to walk away. In chapter fourth,

1508
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: Staying Yes, you tell the story of auditioning for the

1509
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: Fly Girls and j Loo getting the partner, and Keenan

1510
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: Wins admit a year later that he didn't find you

1511
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: sexy enough. How did that make you feel? You know?

1512
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: Not good? Not good. It's it's a fight that young

1513
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: women's face every day. That's why there's such a need

1514
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: to run to the plastic surgeon and all of these

1515
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: elements to help recreate this image that is constantly being

1516
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 1: catered to or lifted up. And I just took a

1517
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: long time to understand the sexuality in my dance right

1518
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: because I was a trained dancer. So it never came

1519
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: from a place of seducing the mail or understanding what's

1520
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: what's internally about a sexual experience rather than a dance

1521
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: or something that intentionally wants to move a different part

1522
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 1: of you rather than just arouse you. As a dancer,

1523
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: there are different elements to the way you moved, you know,

1524
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't in touch with that particular element

1525
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: at that time. So it was crushing because I was

1526
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: definitely one of the best dancers amongst the crew, and

1527
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: so for me, I couldn't understand why am I not

1528
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: booking this job. I'm still in this but there was

1529
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: something about the way I was dancing that wasn't as

1530
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: sexually arousing as I needed to be for that particular

1531
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: job at the time. I love that answer because you know,

1532
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,520
Speaker 1: when someone says you aren't sexy enough, you you automatically

1533
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: probably would assume it was physical, but you didn't feel

1534
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: like it was physical. You felt like it was just

1535
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: something you weren't doing esthetically as you were dancing. Yes,

1536
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't in touch with that part of me. I

1537
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: was dancing. I was like making sure my arms were right.

1538
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: You know, I was hitting the move, but I wasn't

1539
01:21:53,640 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: necessarily allowing that, you know, in a venus room org,

1540
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, the internal conversation, the intention to seduce was

1541
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: not on me. I was. I didn't understand how to

1542
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: work that conversation got right. So unfortunately, sometimes when you're young,

1543
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 1: if you are experienced or exposed to something that is

1544
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: driven by that type of narrative, sometimes you arrive at

1545
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 1: that conversation prematurely. I was okay when I was ready

1546
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: to understand it, because then it gave me a better

1547
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: sense of self respect. We got more with Lorie An

1548
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: Gibson when we come back is the Breakfast Club, Good Morning,

1549
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. And at the World's Most Dangerous Morning

1550
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: Show Morning Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee. Charlomagne, the

1551
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: guy we are to Breakfast Club was still kicking it

1552
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: with Lorie Anne Gibson. Charlomagne, Well, why do you think

1553
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: the style of dancing that you know you do did

1554
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: he used to do the choreography? Why do you think

1555
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: that's not in hip hop? Like the way stuff Big

1556
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: Daddy Kane used to do kid and play? Why do

1557
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: you feel like that's went away? Rappers don't do that anymore,

1558
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: I think because it defines mediocrity with greatness. You know,

1559
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: I'll never forget bringing Big down from his cage on

1560
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: the Soul Train Awards and telling him he had to

1561
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: get down to the top of the stage by first

1562
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: things first, I pop a freak all the honey, he's funny.

1563
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: He played boy Bunnies, and I was like, Big, You've

1564
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: gotta get here by here because the girls gotta come

1565
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: around you and my lightning gotta hit you. And let

1566
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: me tell you something, Big rehearse back to downstage. He's

1567
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: on the Soul Train Awards, they all of them nas.

1568
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: When I brought him out with Lauren Hill, like a

1569
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: respect that Joe Big Pun Diddy Snoop, a respect for

1570
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 1: the stage. We call it the X, we call it

1571
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: the arena. We call it the shoulders of hip hop.

1572
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: Like you had to be prepared to deliver the lifestyle,

1573
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: the record, the experience. I think that that's work. These

1574
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: kids don't know how to work, and that's why it's

1575
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: over so quick. But we're coming back because you know,

1576
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: there's so many of them now, it's like water that

1577
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: you have to find the ones that understand how to

1578
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: do the work to deliver an experience. You know, when

1579
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I first met young Sagan and I was like, oh,

1580
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: my time, just so genius. And we started working together

1581
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: in the beginning and I told him everything boom boo boom,

1582
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: and he put the working for his show and it

1583
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: popped off. But then it was too much discipline and

1584
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta find that narrative because we won't

1585
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 1: we won't find greatness. I think the baby for me,

1586
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: he got onto it. I hope he holds onto it.

1587
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm smelling him a little bit. I love that he

1588
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 1: has a process that reflects a bad boy artist in nineties,

1589
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, his ability to entertain. But

1590
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta live a different life. You gotta

1591
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: make different choices because you remember when Offset. Remember when

1592
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: Offset was on stage and he did the choreography with

1593
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: the dances and how dope that look, and everybody got excited,

1594
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: and I remember him saying, I'm gonna leaning the dancing

1595
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: boll when he did it and did that too, remember

1596
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: that exactly, and the reaction they got was great. But

1597
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: guess what they had to go to rehearsal. They had

1598
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: to remember it. Yeah, they had to put it in work,

1599
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: which they don't want to do. I mean, I remember

1600
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: one time Nikki was like, more, oh my god, you

1601
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: make me work so hard. I was like, yeah, but

1602
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: that's why you were and are and did what you

1603
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: did way and you impacted that much. And I think

1604
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: that that's a real conversation. They just don't want to

1605
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: do the work, and what you put in is what

1606
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: you get out, and don't tell me you're the best.

1607
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: If you don't want to spend time in the gym

1608
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: before you get in the ring, the two just don't

1609
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: go together, you know what I'm saying. And they don't

1610
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: spend as much money on videos either. People just shoot

1611
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: videos and throw them out. Yeah, it's definitely all about

1612
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: the numbers. But again, if you are designed to impact,

1613
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: then you have to take a different narrative. You have

1614
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: to understand that the music industry was built on artist

1615
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: development and so therefore you can't reach those heights without

1616
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: the knowledge of that. And yes, the music industry has changed,

1617
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: but there's still people like myself and companies like myself

1618
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: that believe in developing an artist so they can sustain

1619
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: their dreams and have multiple albums and have a healthy career.

1620
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: I think that this generation really has to understand that.

1621
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, they're not putting money into the black artists,

1622
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: and they never did. But we fought for our integrity.

1623
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: We dominated what we needed to have people enjoy our

1624
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: shows and our experience. Now they're fooling you. They're giving

1625
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: you two seconds and you're drinking that fool aid. But

1626
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: what they're saying is there's no value in you as

1627
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,440
Speaker 1: a black artist, because they're definitely still putting the development

1628
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 1: money into the white artist, right, But you just want

1629
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: to go back and forth and bump into each other

1630
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: on stage instead of having a real process. It's so

1631
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 1: wild to me that that's the mindset when people like

1632
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: Andre Harrel did Jermaine Dupreolity, people have laid a blueprint

1633
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: to what it looked like to develop an artist, Like,

1634
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,879
Speaker 1: why would people just let that blueprint go to the wayside?

1635
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: Because you said it, and obviously, Andrea, you said it.

1636
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: You said, Andrea Haral you said didn't you said Jermaine Dupris,

1637
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: You didn't say Laura and Gibson, You didn't say the

1638
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: black creatives that are actually part of the artists development system.

1639
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: Andre was very in my career and allowing me an

1640
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: Uptown Record to understand my passion for artist development. Charlie

1641
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: Atkins used to do what I did at Motown Records.

1642
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Atkins curated the Temptations support Tops of Supremes. It

1643
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: was from the studio to the studio. You know. For me,

1644
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: it's about the visual albums. It's about a whole different

1645
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: narrative now that we're in the future. But Andre understood

1646
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:59,879
Speaker 1: the importance of giving the record, the lifestyle, the culture,

1647
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: the ability to create the platform that would be competitive. Yeah,

1648
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: you mentioned Big, and I'm always I'm always intrigued by

1649
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: people who met somebody like Big because big things just

1650
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: like a mythical figure to me, right, and he's like

1651
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: talking about a Greek god or an Egyptian god or

1652
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: something like like what kind of impact did he have

1653
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: on you? He sometimes he always has still has an

1654
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: impact on me. But uh, he was Jamaican and his

1655
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: impact was just that a phenomenal, incredible artist, lyricist, but

1656
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: the heart of a champion and would and understood like

1657
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: you understand your tribe. And he was someone that respected

1658
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: the gift in me. I remember the night I sat

1659
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: on his lap when he passed and he and he

1660
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: still went back and reflected and he was like, oh

1661
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: my god, did you see that Nas tried to copy

1662
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 1: our performance? L And uh that night I didn't have

1663
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: the heart to tell him my choreograph Nas and Lauren Hill.

1664
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: So it's not that it was the same, but I

1665
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: was the beginning of my brand as big, you know.

1666
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: But the fact that he performance it still lived with

1667
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: him weeks later is who he is. You know, he

1668
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: was full of greatness. His work out that he was

1669
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: a master, and he understood opportunity and he understood how

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01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: to elevate based on that opportunity. One more thing, you know, Laurie,

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01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: and you talk about the pain of letting go is

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01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: a good pain. Find comfort in knowing that the pain

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 1: of shedding what doesn't serve your dream is a part

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01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: of the process of becoming the true You explain how

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01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: the process was for you becoming the true you well,

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01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: through the disappointment, through the pain, you know, there are

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01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: so many opportunities. I think that people had to speak

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01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: into what I did, had the opportunity to help with

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01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: the idea, to recognize my contributions and things like that,

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01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: and when that didn't happen, you know that it did

1681
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: would create a pain of appointment. And so through that

1682
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: pain you have to persevere and there's purpose in the pain.

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01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: So what it does is it burns up what doesn't

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01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: serve you. Meaning as you continue to press, then the

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01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: pain produces what you need to carry the dream, to

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01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: carry the capacity Charlomane, to stand alone against what the

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01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: world says is successful and continue to inspire to stand

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01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: alone as a female against certain situations where men are

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01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: still oppressive and in denial about the power of your gifts.

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01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,759
Speaker 1: It creates the capacity to continue to press. It allows

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01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: me to not be afraid to be singular with my message,

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01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: it with my call, and with the ability to understand

1693
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: my greatness and to not be intimidated in any room.

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01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: So you must persevere through the pain, because what you

1695
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: don't need falls off and what you need rises out.

1696
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Go get that book, Dance Your Dance. Eight Steps to

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01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: Unleash your passion and Live your dream by the beautiful

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01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: Laurian Gibson. Always a pleasure to see you, talk to you. Yes,

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01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: the book was very inspiring, So thank you so much,

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01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Laurian Gibson. Always a pleasure time you're in town. You

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01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 1: owd me and Charlomagne and some dance lessons. It's listen,

1702
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: it's just free. It's free because I love you guys,

1703
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 1: your family. But listen, I can't afford you no way.

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01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: I know. Okay. I think it's something like the Breakfast Club, Bob,

1705
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Yeah, we needed to help, Bob. Okay,

1706
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. You the creative, that's your lane,

1707
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: follow your lead, got it? Got it. Okay, well done.

1708
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys in rehearsal. It's the Breakfast Club.

1709
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Good morning, Peace morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee.

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01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. That's Black

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01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: History Month. Charlomagne, who we repping today? Yes, today is

1712
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: President Day and we will acknowledge the only black president

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01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: we have ever had, President Barack Husain Obama. People love

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01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: President Obama. He has been celebrated for years. But you

1715
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: know this generation called celebrating someone d riding. So let's

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01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: keep the d riding going this morning by flashing back

1717
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: to what I am in thugnificent from the Boomdocks d

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01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: riding Obama. The Breakfast Club presents a new Black History Month.

1719
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 1: Legend got up this morning, days for working right. I

1720
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: said I wanna make a change. I said I wanna fight.

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01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: Obama balled up and said this we can. I said,

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01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: I wanna ride just because I think you're the man.

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01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Now it's riding Wama Obama, Obama riding Obama Obama. He's

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01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 1: riding riding fall Tomorrow role it's pride and fall today,

1725
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: it's pride and fall to grated riding for the game.

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01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: In riding for America, it's riding for rocking. It's okay

1727
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: to ride. It's as long as it's rocks. And now

1728
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: with riding, and that was another New Black History Month

1729
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: legend courtesy of the Breakfast Club. Nothing like d riding,

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01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, celebrating the first black president, right, Breakfast Club,

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01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: y'all finish for y'all dumb