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Speaker 3: I heart ride about that. You know what's interesting is

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Speaker 3: Sam can speak to this.

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Speaker 2: And and Dan can speak to this, Chasty, you really can't.

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Speaker 2: So it's it snowed this weekend, and it was snowing

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Speaker 2: is snow on the ground. There is something to the

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Speaker 2: I found interesting is a couple of things. It's like,

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Speaker 2: my feeling about cold weather is the same about my

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Speaker 2: feeling about iced tea and feeling about black coffee. You

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Speaker 2: didn't know this Chase too that Adam Klug is my

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Speaker 2: longtime producer at ESPN and CBS.

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Speaker 3: He's now Yeah, so he has.

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Speaker 2: This saying that that that plain iced tea exists in

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Speaker 2: this world for only one reason, to be sweetened. Right,

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Speaker 2: And he's from Georgia, He's from Alpharetta, classic Southern man's take,

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Speaker 2: because they only drink sweet tea. I drink Arnold Palmer's

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Speaker 2: same thing, right, plain iced tea, No thanks, put a

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Speaker 2: little lemonade in it, and it's the greatest drink ever.

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Speaker 2: I think the same thing of black coffee. Black coffee

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Speaker 2: exists to be sweetened, and it's it's like the I

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Speaker 2: don't think black coffee on its own brings a ton

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Speaker 2: of value to this world. I don't think iced tea

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Speaker 2: I don't think cold weather alone brings a ton of eale. Now,

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Speaker 2: you throw some snow on the ground, and I like

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's a real I think it's a

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Speaker 2: doesn't snow. It's like too cold to snow. So there

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Speaker 2: is a moderate level of cold where snowing does exist,

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Speaker 2: and that's the level that everybody likes. And when it's

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Speaker 3: Same you agree.

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Speaker 4: I like that it's almost like the the snow is

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Speaker 4: the is the half and half in your coffee?

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Speaker 5: How about that? Same colors? But I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: It's it's because I think that there's something about snow

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Speaker 4: We're weird self a sound, but it is something about like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: It's allowed to be cold. It's winter.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, if it's there, you're right, there is a

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Speaker 6: coffee theory. Sure, I can't speak to snow. I've only

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Speaker 6: my theory on black coffee is this, have either of

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Speaker 6: The theory is this, if you drink scotch, you also

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Speaker 4: What if you enjoy bourbon, does it have to be Scotch?

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Speaker 4: Can it be any of the brown whiskey family.

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Speaker 3: It does make everything quieter.

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Speaker 2: It is like a kind of like an insulation layer

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Speaker 2: I want it to be as cold as possible when

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Speaker 3: But they're gonna get used to it quicker than the other.

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Speaker 5: Guys will ice the team.

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Speaker 3: Baby, there you go, Frozen Tundra.

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Speaker 7: I just think the confusion of it all that that

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Speaker 6: You don't think there would be people that would want

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Speaker 7: You know, people that are going to have that feeling

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I mean, not having a coach. I could see your point.

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Speaker 8: why do we have to penalize the players for that?

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Speaker 2: It's not a penalty, Okay, it's it's incredibly disingenuous. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's what Brady means by it, but

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Speaker 2: anyone with a fucking brain will tell you Ole Miss

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Speaker 2: is not as good without lang Kiffen.

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Speaker 3: They're just not.

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Speaker 2: with quarterbacks as well. Okay, now with that, you may

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Speaker 2: the committee is not to You're not punishing the players.

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Speaker 2: You haven't punished Florida State. You just said, hey, dude,

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Speaker 2: you're not as good without your quarterback. Your backup quarterback

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Speaker 3: That's not a punishment, that's an.

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Speaker 2: Evaluation of how good they are. And it's impossible because

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Speaker 2: you don't know. You haven't seen him play as oppose

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Speaker 2: to Florida State, we did see them play without Jordan Travis.

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Speaker 1: Drake May.

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Speaker 9: He looks like he's gonna be one of these guys

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Speaker 9: flex game for New England. That's been really good all season,

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Speaker 9: it look easier than it looks for ninety percent of

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Speaker 9: the quarterbacks in the league. Listen, you get a franchise

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Speaker 5: He is on pace to be the greatest.

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Speaker 9: Quarterback on first down in the history of the game

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 3: But to the coach, right to the coach, you're running

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Speaker 2: So I do think we're creeping up on the Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's gonna be time. That's what the Fox said say.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 3: Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying.

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Speaker 6: He Doug, Yes, sir. Urban Dictionary is fun. Urban Dictionary

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Speaker 6: old for certain new references. This is an old reference.

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Speaker 6: Tonsil tickler, according to Urban Dictionary, is an extremely long cock.

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Speaker 6: Second definition a bloke that can't kiss and frequently rams

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Speaker 6: the tonsils of the person giving you fillatio. Keep all

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Speaker 10: We're gonna go after.

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Speaker 11: You every game, and you know that's how we roll.

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Speaker 11: We're going to try to tickle your tonsils on every play,

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Speaker 6: So I think it's one of two choices. I think

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what I think actually he knows what

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 2: So it's a unique way of saying it. Oh wow,

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Speaker 6: A this is like wheelhouse stuff for you. I think

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Speaker 3: They didn't do their own research.

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Speaker 3: You gotta check you checked.

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Speaker 6: This is a check mark. Wesley Steinberg is a check mark,

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Speaker 2: But he wouldn't be a check mark if he went

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Speaker 6: Shuffle documentary over the weekend. You need to see it.

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Speaker 6: It's great nostalgia. It's a great song. It takes you back.

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Speaker 8: If it didn't work out and they lost, you're.

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Speaker 5: Taking a superstitious chance. We got a windws thing.

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Speaker 5: We brought a city together.

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Speaker 6: That's what's crazy about it. This is a side note.

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Speaker 6: Why why didn't why wouldn't they make it December or

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Is there a direct ratio between collecting stamps and playing

439
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Speaker 6: Dungeons and Dragons growing up and not relating to sports

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Speaker 6: superstitions as an adult?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes there is.

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, we'll start with the with the beginning part.

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Speaker 2: You are right, you caught me, I was I My

444
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Speaker 2: team is, they're good free throw shooters. We just part

445
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Speaker 2: of it was we've had a couple of the new

446
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Speaker 2: guys or a couple of the guys that aren't good

447
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: free throw shooters in key games that we've lost get fouled.

448
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: It's like if the if the guys that are starters

449
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: get valued like we're good. They're all high seventies to

450
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Speaker 2: eighties for the most part. But I just, you know,

451
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Speaker 2: it's like one of those like I just couldn't look

452
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Speaker 2: and you know, I felt like I also feel like

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Speaker 2: if you having been a bad free throw shooter in

454
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Speaker 2: college yet a great free throw shooter before that, Like

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Speaker 2: one of the things I don't want to do is like,

456
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Speaker 2: don't make suggestions to the guys right like you're not helping.

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Speaker 3: Not planting is you know.

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Speaker 2: Shoot at It's literal league parents do this all the time.

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Speaker 2: They say, they yelled to the pitcher, just throw a strike,

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Speaker 2: Like what do you think they're trying to do? And

461
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Speaker 2: the more you say throw a strike or try the

462
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Speaker 2: then they push the ball. They don't just throw it.

463
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Speaker 2: So yeah, one time I did turn my back, and

464
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Speaker 2: one time I was kind of crouched over and then

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Speaker 2: just kind of closed my eyes or looked kind of

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Speaker 2: in a different direction and then judge based upon the reaction,

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Speaker 2: the audible reaction to it. On the other hand, though

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Speaker 2: I was superstitious when I played. I've tried to not

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Speaker 2: be superstitious and figure out it doesn't really have any

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Speaker 2: effect on it.

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Speaker 5: But bingo, Doug, maybe I could explain my side of this.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'm listening.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just gonna say listen, listen. I did play

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Speaker 4: competitive sports growing up, but I found out that it

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Speaker 4: didn't matter if you wore your Lucky sweat band on

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Speaker 4: your right hand or your left hand.

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Speaker 5: The result was going to be the result.

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Speaker 4: It comes down to the preparation, the players, the guys,

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Speaker 4: the game plan. I think superstition. I'll let's just say this.

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Speaker 4: I'll quote Michael Scott. I'm not superstitious. I'm just a

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Speaker 4: little stitious. I do have some little ones I go with.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's just something that comfort the individual.

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Speaker 4: It has obviously no real outcome on the game. It

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Speaker 4: is a mental it is a mental comfort blanket. And

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Speaker 4: so I just look at it like we're all just

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Speaker 4: individual people living in a world of seven billion people.

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Speaker 4: What we think internally has no outcome on what's happening

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Speaker 4: in some other part of the world, some game, what

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Speaker 4: have you a tragedy, you know, some kind of blessing.

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Speaker 4: It just if you're a logical person, superstition falls apart

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Speaker 4: in your mind immediately.

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Speaker 6: Superstition by definition is not logical.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so then so you just assumed I played dungeons

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Speaker 4: and dragons and collectives and dance because I don't believe

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Speaker 4: in superstition.

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Speaker 6: Just like religion and faith is the antithesis of logic.

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Speaker 6: Just because you can't see God doesn't mean you can't

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Speaker 6: believe in God. I would say this as much as

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Speaker 6: you coined to have played a competitive team sport, I'm

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Speaker 6: not believing that.

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Speaker 4: But if you're calling me a liar, then I played

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Speaker 4: football until ninth grade, I played baseball, I played soccer.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't count.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well then it doesn't count. Okay. Maybe I just

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Speaker 5: don't believe in superstition.

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Speaker 6: This is what you said last week because your your

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Speaker 6: explanation there was a much more tempered, uh much more

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Speaker 6: tempered version of what you said. You had made the

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Speaker 6: comment last week that people that believe in the sports

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Speaker 6: superstitions are like rubes, like uneducated Trump supporters.

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Speaker 4: I never said anything about the political side of that.

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Speaker 4: I know you're putting words in my mouth. I believe

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Speaker 4: that people that believe because because usually you do see

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Speaker 4: people who are less educated, they they believe in more

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Speaker 4: superstitious things. They think that like if a black cat

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Speaker 4: crosses them that they're they're hext or something, and that's

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Speaker 4: just not true. There's nothing wrong with black cats. They're

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Speaker 4: just that's how they're born. So yeah, people who do

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Speaker 4: believe in a lot of superstitions are tent do tend

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Speaker 4: to be rubes. I just think of myself as someone

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Speaker 4: who played sports, did other things, didn't believe in superstition

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Speaker 4: because I knew it just really didn't have any impact

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Speaker 4: on the game.

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Speaker 6: So you're the ultimate referee, Doug. Where do you come

525
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Speaker 6: out on this?

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I'll be honest. With these superstitions

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Speaker 2: from people who are just fans, it goes to being

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Speaker 2: it's kind of weird to me, but I do understand it,

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Speaker 2: especially if you were an athlete growing up, you kind

530
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Speaker 2: of get it right. It's the don't ever, Hey, I'm

531
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Speaker 2: doing right now, I haven't shaped.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you do that as a fun collective thing. You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: don't mess with the the the voodoo doll that's been

534
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 4: sitting on top of the locker, Like why, like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, you got to sit there because last time we played, well,

536
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Speaker 2: you sat there when you were watching on the couch, like,

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Speaker 2: come on, man.

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Speaker 4: My friend and I did that during we were watching

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Speaker 4: the World Series and I was sitting in a different

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Speaker 4: seat and it became the strikeout seat. So I guess

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Speaker 4: I do believe in it a little bit.

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Speaker 6: You didn't call him a rube.

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Speaker 5: No, we're just having fun. It was just fun. I

544
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Speaker 5: never said anything about supporting Trump or not. I just

545
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Speaker 5: want to make that clear.

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Speaker 2: I here's how I look on this is this is

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Speaker 2: my honest approach to it. Do I think it has

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Speaker 2: any effect on sports?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I don't want to be the

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Speaker 2: guy that does something and then you know, I go

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Speaker 2: to heaven and saying Peter's like, hey, by the way,

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00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: the superstition thing, it's real, it's real.

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00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, while God's telling you that I'm real and

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00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 6: you couldn't see me and there was no detectable logic

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00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 6: about me, I'm real. So a superstition.

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00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 6: And if you were the guy that went up to

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Speaker 6: talk to the picture throwing a no hitter and he

560
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 6: gave up a hit the next inning, you deserve to

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Speaker 6: be publicly shamed.

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Speaker 4: But Isn't it just like a stupid way out of

563
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Speaker 4: blaming someone it's not real.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we all know it's not real.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't know. We're pretty sure it's not real.

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Speaker 5: We know the pitch thing fail.

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Speaker 2: We're pretty sure it's not real. Are we sure it's

568
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Speaker 2: not real? My answer is no. I'm not tempting that.

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Speaker 2: I'm one enough games to be like.

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Speaker 5: I'll get on board with that stuff.

571
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I had to defend myself a little bit

572
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Speaker 4: because I just don't think I did play sports.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think that's fair.

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Speaker 3: Okay, give me one more, don't you have one more?

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Speaker 6: No superstition or superstition deniers Wesley Steinberg's account. Don't blame

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Speaker 6: Wesley Steinberg and the tonsil tickler.

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Speaker 3: Tops Tickler's not annoying. The twitter thing is is probably

578
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Speaker 3: the most annoying.

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Speaker 2: So not people completely disregarding an obviously disingenuous tweet is annoying.

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Speaker 5: Why are we.

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Speaker 3: Doing this.

582
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Speaker 5: Because we can? All right?

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Speaker 6: So here's the subject of Wesley Steinberg's viral tweet. Abdul

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Speaker 6: Carter missed the first series or two, and before you

585
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Speaker 6: know what, his team is down seventeen to nothing. And

586
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Speaker 6: this was his reaction when asked about it from Reporders,

587
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Speaker 6: Shit happens. What happened.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna get into detail, And I said, it happens.

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Speaker 6: What is this?

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Speaker 5: Why at asking the same question I just answered, was

591
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Speaker 5: he justified? Well forget that. Yeah, I mean I let

592
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Speaker 5: my team down to the first two jobs I was out.

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Speaker 5: They score seventeen points.

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Speaker 10: I take that.

595
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Speaker 5: I take responsibility for that.

596
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Speaker 10: I gotta be out there.

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Speaker 2: I gotta do better.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's really good. I love the answer.

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Speaker 5: I just do.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you're not giving anybody any sort of information, but

601
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: the s happens thing and they gotta get better.

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Speaker 3: It's great. What great sound? That was really good. Why

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Speaker 3: I can play for you because we can't. That's it

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Speaker 3: for the end.

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