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Head on over s y s K live 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: dot com has everything you need and we will see 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: you guys live in person. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and we're 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: flying high for this for this episode of Stuff you 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Should Know. Civil Air Patrol, I've got a different version 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: of it. Okay, well, air PU, civil air Patrol, Civil 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: air about air Patrol. Oh, do you remember when I 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: used to put that in your head? Yeah? It's like 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: the good old days when used to earworm me. I 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: think that's the greatest er worm of all. It's pretty good. 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: It's in my head now, good hair. I like that Patrol. 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: So we're talking about the Civil Air Patrol and we're 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: gonna just say what it is right out of the gate. Okay, 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: go ahead. Now, let's talk first about what I ate 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: for breakfast? Okay, you have Did you have bacon? No? 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: I didn't eat breakfast. Civil Air Patrol is a nonprofit 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: group that's a civilian group of um, well of playing enthusiasts, 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: but the much more than that they are. They have 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: sort of a quasi military hierarchy. They are under the 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: control of the U. S. Air Force, and what they 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: do a lot these days is things like search and rescue. 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about them in in our 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: Star episodes. Um but they have a very cool, kind 36 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: of rich and colorful, colorful history. And I'm trying to 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: get John Roderick of the indie rock band The Long 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Winters my pal and from the podcast. While he does 39 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts, which one should we say, friendly 40 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: Fire sure his war movie podcast, he was a member 41 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: of the Civil Air Patrol and I texted him and said, 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to get a quote from you 43 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: on your experience, and he says, heck, yeah, uh and 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: then he never said anything. So if it comes in, 45 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: we'll read it. If not, just know that John was 46 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: a teenage member of the Civil Air Patrol, which you 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: still can be. Yeah, you definitely still can be. It's 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: still around. There's there's From what I saw, it's something 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: like sixty strong today. No, not bad at all. Um. 50 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: And I get the impression it's a little bit like 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: the Eagle Scouts of the Air for like under eighteen people. Yeah, 52 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: the Cadet program. It sounded very much like sort of 53 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: boy Scouts meets r OTC. Yeah, because there's a lot 54 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: of emphasis on like public service and being like an 55 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: upstanding person and um, you know just just um not 56 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: stealing things. I think there's a big emphasis on that. Yeah. 57 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: But also you get the feeling there's a little bit 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: of like you want to go on the Air Force, 59 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: right son? Right, Well, I think that is kind of 60 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: either if it's not a stated part of it, um. 61 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: If it's um, it's still like a definite function of 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrols, it's it feeds into the actual 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Air Force cadet program, and you can actually benefit from 64 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: being in the Civil Air Patrol if you do plan 65 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: to go into the Air Force. Apparently you can enter 66 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the Air Force at a higher pay grade if you 67 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: have worked up to a certain rank in the civil 68 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: Air Patrols. So if you're interested in being a good citizen, 69 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: if you like to fly, if you want to be 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: in the Air Force, um, you could do a lot 71 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: worse than joining the Civil Air Patrol. I'll tell you that. 72 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: If you want to be a part of what they 73 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: say is about a hundred saves a year out in 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: the wilderness, or if you just want to be a 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: part of an organization that had a very cool origin, 76 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about right now. Okay, let's early on 77 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: in aviation history and like the nineteen twenties and thirties, 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: still in its infancy, but it was big enough to 79 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: where people could like own a plane and they could 80 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: buy their own personal plane and get their pilots license. Yeah, 81 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: which is that's really fast if you think about I mean, 82 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: Brothers flew at Kittie Hawk in Yeah, I mean a 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: couple of decades later, people are like, I want to 84 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: own a plane and fly it. That's how everybody talk 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: that mid Atlantic accent. That's right, hey, Chuck. By the way, 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: I want to shout out what I have come to 87 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: think is one of the top three facts of stuff 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: you should know of all time, that the Brits originally 89 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: sounded like Americans and that the Brits lost their American 90 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: accent rather than the other way around. Is that true? Yeah? 91 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Don't you remember in our accent when podcast? When did 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: they sound like Americans? It started up to about the 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: twenties or thirties, and then the BBC came along on 94 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: the radio and they made a conscious decision to sound 95 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: like Oxford types who had basically affected an accent um 96 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: in order to separate themselves and sound classier. So you're saying, 97 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: with the BBC adopted, if there was audio recording from 98 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: nineteen then a guy from central London would sound like 99 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: me right now, basically. Yeah, So they're getting it wrong 100 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: in all those movies too, then yes, but these are 101 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: also the same movies where like Nazis sound like British 102 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: people on the BBC. So it's all kinds of messed up, 103 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: all right. I love that you just bring out a 104 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: random effect from an old show is the fact of 105 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: stuff you should know all time history. But let's go 106 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: back in time. Let's hop in the way back machine 107 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: and go back to the Great War, the Second World War, 108 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: when there were people in this country that love their 109 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: flying civilians, and they saw the beginning of the war 110 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: in the late nineteen thirties when europe European fascist basically 111 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: said nine no more civilian flying, it's all shut down. 112 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: And so the aviators over here, civilian aviators were like, WHOA, 113 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: that's not cool. We like flying our planes. Maybe we 114 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: should get organized and see if we can actually add 115 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: value to the military as civilians. Because that was back 116 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: when all Americans wanted to pitch in a little bit 117 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: to help out the war effort. Right. There was um 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: one guy in particular, guy named gil Rob Wilson, but 119 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: he was not the only one. There's another dude named 120 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: Milton Knight, and both are credited with founding basically civilian 121 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Air Force auxiliary programs to say, hey, military, we're not military. 122 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: It's cool, but there's other stuff we can do to 123 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: help you guys out. And let's also not forget that 124 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: if we can use our collective clout to popularize flying 125 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: and aviation and just get more Americans interested in it 126 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: and showing that that, hey, you can actually learn to fly, 127 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: come hang out with us and will show you how. 128 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: We'll we'll be generating a pool of pre trained uh 129 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: UM pilots who can transfer over to the military if 130 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: the US ends up going into World War two. Yeah. 131 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Almost like a reserve unit, even though it is not that. No, 132 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: it's an auxiliary union, which means it it's it's an auxiliary. 133 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: It's on the side. It's in addition to it's not 134 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: it's not like a reserve unit that can be called 135 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: up to active duty military like the reserves. It's a 136 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: civilian volunteer force. Right. So gil Rob Wilson was working 137 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: on this and kind of concurrently there were some some 138 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: state based aviation groups for civilian civil uh civil defense 139 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: units that were kind of cropping up here and there 140 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: on the East coast uh and so he kind of 141 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall and wanted to make 142 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: things official. So he developed a plan for the Civil 143 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: Air Patrol, got support very importantly, got support from a 144 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: gentleman named Fiorello LaGuardia. You don't put any mustard on LaGuardia. 145 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: It's just a cruddy airport. Okay. Actually, like LaGuardia. It's 146 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: six coming along, but it's still kind of creutzy. It's fine, 147 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: not None of the New York airports are great. Have 148 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: you have you ever seen the uh the pictures of 149 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: the abandoned t W A terminal at LaGuardia from like 150 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: the jet age of the sixties. It's amazing. It's like 151 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: a time capsule, frozen in time. And I think they 152 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: converted it into a hotel recently. But like goes, somebody 153 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: did a really good photo spread, like back in two dozen, 154 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: twelve or whatever. Um, just look up t W A terminal. 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: Maybe it's JFK and not Laguire. I think it is JFK. Um. 156 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Either way, it's still worth checking out. I'll check it out. Okay. 157 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: So LaGuardia. He was a director of the Office of 158 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: Civilian Defense at the time. Uh he. Of course the 159 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: airport was named after him. He was mayor of New 160 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: York City at one point. He was an aviator in 161 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: World War One, so it was really a big deal 162 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: to get him on board. UM. And they designed their 163 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: little logo, which is a blue circle with a propeller, 164 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: three propellers in a white triangle, and initially they were 165 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: handled by is. This was pre Air Force, before the 166 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: Air Force was officially established after World War Two. It 167 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: was part of the U. S. Army Air Corps What 168 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: was the U. S. Army Air Corps, which I think 169 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: we made the distinction in the Tuskegee Airman. So everyone 170 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: kind of gets on board and LaGuardia signs the Civil 171 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Air Corps as it was known, originally into existence on 172 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: December one, ninety one. And as you will note that date, Uh, 173 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: it was very relevant because just six days later is 174 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: when the attack on Pearl Harbor happened, and all of 175 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, we could use this help. Yeah, and I 176 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: mean remember this is like a surprise attack by the 177 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Japanese on Pearl Harbor. So it was pretty prescient of 178 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: Gil Rob Wilson and Fiorello LaGuardia to to get this 179 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: thing organized and together, because yeah, within a week they 180 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: were like, okay, we probably can use you guys. The 181 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: problem is that the Air Corps initially was like, what 182 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: are we gonna do with these like these civilians? You know, 183 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: super gun? How civilians do I imagine? Right? Exactly which 184 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: which is like even worse to have to deal with 185 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: in like just regular old civilians who don't know what 186 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: they're doing. Um. In some cases it turned out that 187 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: it was actually the Civil Air Patrol was really helpful, 188 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: um because one of the really overlooked things about World 189 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: War Two is that German U boats, you know, like 190 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: a variation of a submarine, but they just couldn't stay 191 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: under quite as long. They wreaked absolute havoc on um 192 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: the United States coasts um during World War Two. Basically 193 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: within a month of Pearl Harbor, four to six weeks 194 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: after Pearl Harbor, the first US freight or the city 195 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: of Atlanta was sunk by a U boat off the 196 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: coast of North Carolina. And that was the first of 197 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: I think three hundred and nineties seven ships that were 198 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: either um sunk damaged by U boats in six months 199 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: off the coast of America. Yeah. So at this point, 200 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrol has one wing is what they 201 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: called it, per state. Uh. I have no idea how 202 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: many states there were. I think it was forty eight, 203 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: just kidding, uh. And each one of those wings was 204 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: divided into squadrons and they were operating out of civilian 205 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: airports mostly, but then in nineteen forty two they were, 206 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: um they started opening up some dedicated civil air patrol 207 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: bases in certain states around the country. So all of 208 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, there are uh in ninety people enrolled in 209 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: the civil Air Patrol, and these German U boats are 210 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: doing damage off the coast, and all of a sudden 211 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: they were like, well, listen, we weren't sure quite what 212 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: to do with you guys. You've been helping us out. 213 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: You've been delivering some things and even some personnel at 214 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: times and munitions, but we think, what, you know, we 215 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: don't have the resources in our what will soon be 216 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: called the Air Force to just patrol all up and 217 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: down the East coast all the time. So that's where 218 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: you're going to really uh be valuable to us. And 219 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: that was really the first big, kind of important use 220 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: of the civil air Patrol in World War Two. Yeah, 221 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: and it was effective too because with U boats, part 222 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: of the doctrine of um of U boat warfare sub 223 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: Commander Nous was that if you saw a plane overhead, 224 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: you dove um to get away from that plane because 225 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: they were very vulnerable from an aerial attack. So um, 226 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: just seeing a civil air patrol plane overhead meant that 227 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: the sub had to break off from pursuit of whatever tanker, freighter, 228 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: troop transport it was about to sink, um and and 229 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: dive in and evade that plane, just even an unarmed 230 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: civil air patrol plane because they didn't know they're unarmed 231 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: at the time. I don't think exactly exactly. Um, So 232 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: this actually started working out pretty well. But there was 233 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: one incident in particular off the coast of right at 234 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: Cape Canaveral. From what I understand, a U boat got 235 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: caught on a sandbar and was just laying there exposed, 236 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: trying to get free for about thirty minutes, and a 237 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: civil air patrol plane was circling it had spotted it 238 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: had called in for reinforcements I think, for an aerial 239 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: strike from the Air Corps UM for the sitting duck 240 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: of a U boat, and before the air strike could 241 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: get there to blow the U boat up, it got 242 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: itself free and made its escape got away. Um. And 243 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: this was enough. It was a frustrating enough if the 244 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: pilot was just like, I want a bomb so bad. Well, 245 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: in very short order, the air UM, the Air Corps 246 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: commander hap what was his name, Henry hap Arnold. Hap 247 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: Arnold said give him those bombs, and the Civil Air Patrol, 248 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: not in any way a military organization, a civilian auxiliary 249 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: group was given depth charges and bombs to drop on 250 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: U boats from that point none for the rest of 251 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: World War two. Yeah, so here's the deal with that. 252 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: They they had to bomb from very very high up. Um. 253 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: They had to use improvised bomb sites because you know this, 254 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: they didn't just have this stuff lying around, and they 255 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: needed this stuff for the real I was about to say, 256 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: the real planes for the military. So they weren't like, 257 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: here's the best bomb sites we have. So there's really 258 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: no like um. I think the Civil Air Patrol probably 259 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: likes to claim that they actually bombed you boats, but 260 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: there aren't any official on record bombings that were carried 261 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: out by Civil Air Patrol that like sank you boats 262 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: at you talked to. Germany was like that never happened, 263 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: didn't affect us. Civil Air Patrol was like, no, it's 264 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: more like yah, right. So it is in dispute. In particular, 265 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: one sub that some uh Civil Air Patrol guys dropped 266 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: depth charges over in New Jersey and they said a 267 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: geyser of oil and water erupted from the water, which 268 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: would indicate that they had sunk this this U boat. 269 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: But like you're saying, the Germans don't have any record 270 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: of anything like that, so they probably they probably didn't 271 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: at the very least, though they did harass the German 272 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: U boats. And whether it was directly because of civil 273 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Air patrol UM patrols over the coastline or not. By July, 274 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: about six months after the first attack, German U boats 275 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: like pulled off of American coastal waters and stopped attacking. 276 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: So it probably wasn't entirely coincidence. It probably wasn't entirely 277 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: because of the civil air patrol, but they almost certainly 278 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: played a prominent role in in Germany's discontinuation of their 279 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: sub attacks in American waters. Yeah, so here's what we'll do. 280 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: We'll do a stat cliffhanger. Okay, we'll take a little 281 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: break and come back with a little bit of statistical 282 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: evidence to support your claims are right for this? All right, 283 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: So you said they made a difference, and the numbers 284 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of back it up. First of all, they were 285 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: only supposed to do this for ninety days, while they 286 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of got the real plan together for the military. 287 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: They ended up doing this coastal patrol for eighteen months, 288 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: so that alone kind of says it was working, or 289 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: at the very least, they weren't quick enough to get 290 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: there the real plan going. But here's the stats. A 291 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three subs spotted and ostensibly brady out 292 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: in You know, they weren't just spotted and then forgotten 293 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: about right there, Like I don't feel like calling it 294 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: in this time. Eighty two depth charge bomb attacks against 295 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: those subs impressive, pretty impressive. And again, let's say they're 296 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: not actually bombing them out of the water. It's got 297 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: to be disconcerting to have civilians up there dropping bombs 298 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: on you. Sure, it's like the North Avenue irregulars put 299 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: in the air. Uh they you know, there were mines 300 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: out there. They found seventeen floating mines and rescued three 301 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three people and ships. Uh that had 302 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: trouble reported, which I don't think we mentioned. Like America 303 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: likes to think that, like, oh well, yeah, the fighting 304 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: didn't happen over here in the United States. But if 305 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: you looked on the East coast, uh, like on the water. 306 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Chances are you might have pulled a service person out 307 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: of the water from one of these bombings. Yeah, like 308 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: it happened. There were people in the water that needed rescue, 309 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: and the civil Air Patrol was there. I read an 310 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: account of a family that lived on the coast off 311 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: of Hatteras. Apparently Cape Hatteras the waters off had were 312 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: called torpedo junction. This happened so frequently. Um, but they 313 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: like they're the windows would rattle in your house when 314 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: uh a torpedo struck like a tanker something, you know, 315 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: eight miles away off the coast like it was. You 316 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: just do not get raised with that in history. It's 317 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: just not talked about. But it was a pretty big 318 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: for six months. It was a big problem for the 319 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, and this was, um. There was a 320 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: lot of bravery involved because these little planes. They were stretching, 321 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: these pilots and their experience and these planes and their 322 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: mechanical capabilities to the utmost degree to fly these things 323 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: that far off shore to do these patrols. And they 324 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: still did it. Um. They flew five hundred about five 325 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: hundred thousand hours during the war combined. And they were 326 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: not getting rich doing it. Uh. They were reimbursed for fuel, 327 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: but they were paid eight dollars a day, which even 328 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: back then was not a lot of money. Now I 329 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: calculate it's about a hundred dollars today. It's not bad. Actually, yeah, 330 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: come nothing of it if you're not doing anything else 331 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: but take it dropping bombs on Nazis, that's kind of 332 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: fun and getting a bucks for it, right. Uh. And 333 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: in the end, thirty pilots of the civil and the 334 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: Civil Air Patrol died flying in accidents. Um. And that's 335 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: in addition to the ones in the Coastal Patrol. That's 336 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: just total. I think there were twenty six on the 337 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: actual coastal Patrol that died. I thought it was like 338 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: sixty five. This is twenty six deaths and they lost 339 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: ninety planes. Got so um like this was a really 340 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: big deal. I mean like it was. It was saying 341 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: like you you and you you know you, you the 342 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: guy who owns the TV rishpair shop, and um, you 343 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: the guy who owns the barbershop next door getting these 344 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: planes and start dropping bombs on these U boats. That 345 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: was a big deal to to do to civilians and um. 346 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: In two thousand and fourteen, Obama posthumously in a lot 347 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: of cases awarded the UM the Medal of Honor, the 348 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: highest citizen honor. UH that anybody in the US can 349 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: get to. Everyone who was in the Civil Air Patrol 350 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: during World War Two, all two thousand people. And you 351 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: know what fun fact that you're gonna love. That barber 352 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: dropped his scissors and ran out of the barbershop to 353 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: go get in his plane halfway through a haircut. And 354 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: that's how the mullet was born. Nice was it? Floyd 355 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: was Griffith was the first one with the mullet. And 356 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: I bet you didn't know that the mullet was born 357 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: in the midnight. I suspected as much business in the 358 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Front war in the rear right exactly. Man William was 359 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: the first mullet created. Do you know, I remember, very 360 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: very distinctly the first time I heard that term. I 361 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: was on set of a TV commercial. Um And this 362 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: was many, many years after the mullet. But when I 363 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: was in high school, it wasn't called the mullet. It 364 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: was just sort of kind of the cool hairstyle for 365 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: a little while, called the burnout. But I remember when 366 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: I heard them the mullet, I was on set and 367 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: one of my friends said, I said, who is this 368 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: guy who's Lee? And he said he. I don't know 369 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: why this stuck with me. He said, he is that 370 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: wedge of grossness over there with the mullet head. I 371 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: can see this sticking with you. It's pretty good. Yeah, 372 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Lea's who he is. Poorly. What else did the Civil 373 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: Air Patrol do? Though? They did some other weird things. Yeah, 374 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the the thing during World War Two that they're definitely 375 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: remembered for was the UM the bombing sorties and spotting 376 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: U boats, but they did plenty of other stuff. Basically, UM. 377 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: They did anything the Air Corps needed of them, which 378 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: is things like we need to get this commander from 379 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: you know St. Louis to uh Louisiana, can you give 380 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: him a ride St. Louis de baton Rouge. They did 381 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: that like pretty much constantly. They ferried UM supplies around, 382 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: they ferried people around. That was a huge part of 383 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: the war for here at home by the c a P. 384 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Here's a cool thing that they did that also sounds frightening. 385 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: They would tow what's called target gliders for anti aircraft guns. 386 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: So you're a plane, you're in your little uh, single 387 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: engine plane, your civilian you were pulling behind you a 388 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: glider that big guns on the ground are taking target 389 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: practice at. Yeah, hopefully with a really long toe line. 390 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: I wonder how long that could be though, I don't know, 391 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: but it almost seems mean spirited that assignment. Who did 392 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: that fall to? You know, the guy who drove the 393 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: uh the driving range of golf ball pick up Volkswagen. Oh, 394 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: they yeah, he'd be prepared for that kind That's exactly 395 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: who did it. I'll bet you're right. So that was 396 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: a huge one. Um. Apparently an equal amount to the 397 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: danger of being shot out of the sky accidentally. Um 398 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: in that assignment was also accidentally looking into the searchlights 399 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: that they used in these training exercises, because at least 400 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: one pilot was blinded by them and crashed from being 401 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: I guess disoriented afterwards. Here's one final mission. In Texas. 402 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: The Civil Air Patrol was charged with culling the wolf population. 403 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: So apparently it, you know, would reduce pressure on the 404 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: cattle herds that these wolves were killing, and they needed 405 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: this this beef to feed soldiers and citizens. So they said, 406 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: get up there in your planes and start shooting at wolves. Yeah, 407 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: and At first when I was reading that, I thought 408 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: they were saying they needed the wolf meat to feed 409 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: the troops. I was like, then I understood what it 410 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: was saying. Um, but yeah, they would shoot the wolves 411 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: with handguns out of their planes. That's right. I think 412 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: it's said wolves instead of wolves wolves. So so World 413 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: War two comes and goes, Civil Air Patrol proves its 414 00:24:54,200 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: metal and the Army Air Corps is dissolved and basedically 415 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: turned into the Air Force. Air Force came after World 416 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: World War two. Um, and it was from what I understand, 417 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: kind of a bit of like hot potato afterward to where, um, 418 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: no one really wanted the Civil Air Patrol right because 419 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: one of these a law that was basically passed HR 420 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: forty four, which is really significant to you if you're 421 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: in the Civil Air Patrol. It basically said, no, the 422 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: air the Civil Air Patrol isn't going anywhere. We're going 423 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: to establish its its existence under law, but we are 424 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: never ever going to arm them again. That's just not 425 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Let's just not speak of this anymore. Let's 426 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: pretend it never happened. But no one's ever gonna drop 427 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: a bomb again with the Civil Air Patrol and so 428 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they were particularly sought after, but 429 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: they ended up falling under the um the command of 430 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: the Air Force after it was established, and bounced around 431 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: a little way a few places within the Air Force 432 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: and then finally landed in the Air Combat Division. Yeah. 433 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: And you know, post war, they really really made their 434 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: name and continue to make their name with search and rescue. Uh, 435 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: if you're lost in the woods, or if they're natural 436 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: disasters or big weather events, um, then the Civil Air 437 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: Patrol is likely to be involved. There was a big 438 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: earthquake in Alaska, n where um, the the Alaskan Civil 439 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: Air Patrol and this was where Roderick was in the 440 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Civil Air Patrol in Alaska. Yeah, that's where he's from. 441 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: But this was sixty four, so he would have been 442 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: just a little kid then, um, if not even alive 443 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: yet actually, so I don't think he was in that one. 444 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: He may have just been a glean. But their Civil 445 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: Air patrols, hangar and planes were all destroyed. So volunteers, 446 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: you know, got it together, got eleven private planes started 447 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 1: flying supplies in there, and um, these were good you know, 448 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: these are good pilots and these aircraft did things that 449 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: military aircraft couldn't do a lot of times. Well that's 450 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: where that's where they're The role of the civil air 451 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: patrol and search and rescue really kind of came became obvious, 452 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: like almost out of the gate because they were doing 453 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: searching air rescues during World War Two as well. Um, 454 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: the just the fact that their planes weren't fighter jets 455 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: was a huge advantage for them in search and rescue 456 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: because you want to fly lower and you want to 457 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: fly slower when you're looking for somebody. So the fact 458 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: that you have these this group of you know, tens 459 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: of thousands of civilians who are either flying, flying instructors 460 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: learning to fly, have their own planes um partially funded 461 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: by by taxpayers for even more planes. UM, that's a 462 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: really great resource to be able to tap into. When 463 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: something happens in disaster strikes and you want to look 464 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: for people, you just say, hey, can you guys go 465 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: search for you know, these people, or go fly around 466 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: this floodplane see if there's anybody on um any rooftops 467 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: and then radio it in. That was a huge role 468 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: and probably the most prominent role that civil air patrol 469 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: still holds today is in search and rescue. Yeah, and 470 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: they didn't. You know, they don't just fly around and 471 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: radio it down all. They certainly do that. They are 472 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: very active and in all manner and all parts of 473 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the search. Um they are you know, many of them 474 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: cross train and like horseback riding and cross country skiing, 475 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: across fit across fit of course. Uh so they you know, 476 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: they can kind of they can kind of do it all. Um. 477 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: Now they have these what's called cell phone forensic teams 478 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: and they can analyze cell phone tower pings and topo 479 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: maps and it's it's become a much more sophisticated, um 480 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: sort of search and rescue, largely because of the Civil 481 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: Air Patrol. Right, But ironically, some of the stuff that 482 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: some of the talents and expertise they've developed in this 483 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: search and rescue area, like have nothing to do with planes, 484 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: and so they might assist in a search and rescue 485 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: without ever taking the air in some cases. But they 486 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: still had their cool uniform, sure, and they still march 487 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: when they're told to. Should we take a break? Sure, 488 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: all right, We're gonna take another break and talk about 489 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the evolution of the c 490 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: a P. So, like I said, Chuck. They were shuffled 491 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: around after World War Two and then um, they're still 492 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: under and and you know, kind of linked to the 493 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Air Force. Um, but they are definitely civilian, like all civilian. Um, 494 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: you can't get into the Air Force. And they do 495 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: have this kind of quasi military structure. They have ranks 496 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: and things like that, but the ranks that they have 497 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: are strictly limited to the civil Air Patrol. Like if 498 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: you become I think the highest you can become in 499 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: the civil Air Patrol is a major general, that would 500 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: not translate over to the Air Force. Like you wouldn't 501 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: be able to move to the Air Force and be 502 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: like I'm a major general. They'd be like, let's uh, 503 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: let's reset things show right. Um. But like I said, 504 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: if you start to work your way up in the 505 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: civil Air Patrol, you can transfer over to the Air 506 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: Force with some credit. Like it's not like it's just 507 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: a complete waste of time if you want to go 508 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: into the Air Force. But um, and I think five 509 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: they got their first non military commander, first civilian commander, 510 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: and that really kind of set the tone from what 511 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: I understand for this kind of division between the military 512 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: Air Force and the civilian volunteer civil air Patrol. They 513 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: that really kind of forever divided that line saying you 514 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: got can have your ranks and your you guys march 515 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: all you want and call each other's sir and salute, 516 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: but your civilian and an auxiliary. Yeah. And like you said, 517 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: they're under the Air Force still and ironically, um, the 518 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: specific division of the Air Force there under the direction 519 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: of now is the Air Combat Command, even though they 520 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: cannot be used in combat. Uh, you're not gonna get 521 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: paid even eight dollars a day anymore. It is full 522 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: volunteer at this point. Um. In fact, you have to 523 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: pay dues, membership dues every year, and you have to 524 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: pay for your own uniform. Uh. And if you really 525 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: want to go at large, you can just buy fake 526 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: epaulets and medals. And you really, I mean, I'm sure 527 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: you can. You probably get made fun of her, yell 528 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: at whatever. It sounds like I'm making fun of civil 529 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: Air Patrollers, and I'm certainly not, because well, they definitely 530 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: are great, and the idea and the whole purposes is 531 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,239 Speaker 1: pretty great. But I definitely from reading about, like you know, 532 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: people who had been in it and some of their 533 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: when they were asked online like what did you what 534 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: was your experience? I get the impression that there is 535 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: a uh an element of blow hardness among some people 536 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: in the Civil Air Patrol. Whereas some are there to 537 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: like learn to fly and for the love of flying 538 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: and or because they do want to go into the 539 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: Air Force, there are people there who might abuse their 540 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: rank or status in the Civil Air Patrol that you schmucks. 541 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: There are schmucks there for from what I understand here 542 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: there although it doesn't seem to be systemat sucks everywhere. 543 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: Um So, like I said at the beginning, there are 544 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: a nonprofit and there are a few people to get 545 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: paid a salary. Obviously, when you get to the administration, 546 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: the national level, you're gonna have to pay some people 547 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: to run this thing. Um. The Air Force does pay 548 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: expenses if they are asked to performed mission so well. 549 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: Plus also, if you're on a mission and something happens 550 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: to you, you are at that moment covered by the 551 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: military's life insurance, so your family is well cared for 552 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, it's a very good point. Actually, Um, 553 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: the member dues do pay for some planes, for some equipment, 554 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: some fuel, hangar, space, maintenance, stuff like that. Right now, 555 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: there are about five hundred and thirty single engine planes 556 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: and the Civil Air Patrol in the United States. A 557 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: lot of these are those. Uh, And I'm getting more 558 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: and more into planes lately. The more we've talked about 559 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: these planes, You're getting so old, dude. I must be 560 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: because I looked at Assessina one seventy two and I 561 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: was like, I mean, does that seat how much does 562 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: that cost? Really? Like, wow, well, no, I can't afford 563 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: it buy a plane. That's That's what I'm saying. Like 564 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: having that thought, you've threshold, like there's you know, planes 565 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: are cool, Let's go to a museum to see a plane. 566 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: How much would it cost for me to buy this 567 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: plane and fly at myself. That's the transition, and the 568 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: transition to is the thoughts of like, you know, when 569 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: when Emily and I are retired and Ruby lives somewhere, 570 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: it sure would be nice to just hop in the 571 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Cessna and fly out and see her. Sure that is 572 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: like the oldest of old man talk. But then I 573 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: saw there like two d dollars. I was like, okay, 574 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: maybe you're like, maybe I can buy one of them 575 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: houses with the fly up driveways. Like John Travolta. Yeah, 576 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, dude, he has his own passenger airliner. Yeah 577 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Well he's also rather wealthy, that's true. Uh 578 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: So there are more than uh four thousand planes though 579 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: used in any given year. Um so, I guess that's 580 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: the official fleet that the Civil Air Patrol runs. Right, 581 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: But if you are a member of the Civil Air 582 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: Patrol and you have your own plane, they'll be like, 583 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: can you bring your plane along? We need to use 584 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,959 Speaker 1: it for the search and rescue. Right. And they don't 585 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: just do sour stuff. They work, um also with the 586 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: Forestry Service and the d e A. They look out 587 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: for forest fires, they conducts land surveys. They started to 588 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: do more and more um flies over farms in Kentucky, 589 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying, to see what they're growing. Yeah. Yeah, 590 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: they started in I think the Customs and Border Patrol 591 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: said hey, um, how would you guys like to look 592 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: for marijuana plants to prevent marijuana cigarettes from being smoked 593 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: by me? And yeah, they jumped on it. I read 594 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: an article this is this is so Civil Air Patrol 595 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: the idea of like getting to to prevent drugs from 596 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: hitting the streets. Um, they they I guess the whoever 597 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: was interviewed, I didn't catch you it was, but an 598 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: official at the Civil Air Patrol, like in the higher 599 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: up in the national organization probably said something like they 600 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: they helped get a billion dollars worth of drugs, which is, 601 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: of course, like the manufacturers suggests a retail product um 602 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: of drugs off of the street in two thousand and seventeen, 603 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: and that they were on track to hit about the 604 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: same number in two thousand and eighteen. That's it's a 605 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: lot of marijuana cigarettes. Yeah, I can't help I probably 606 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't even just say this. I gotta hear it. We 607 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: can edit it out later. Who the standard ground guy 608 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: in Florida? Oh um, oh man, George Zimmerman. Yeah, some 609 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: of this sounds a little bit like that, like, Hey, 610 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a copper in the military, but I'm gonna 611 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: play like I am. I want to bust drug dealers. Well, 612 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: that actually made me wonder do they do they patrol 613 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: the southern border? I think they looking for I couldn't 614 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: see anything that said they did. Well, it said they did. 615 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: They patrolled the southern border in World War Two looking 616 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: for seven tours entering that's that's what triggered out, Like, 617 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: well wait a minute, that plus you know busting you 618 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: know pot growers do they do? They look for UM 619 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: people crossing the border illegally, and I didn't see anything 620 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: about them being used for that that might use it 621 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: could be. Yeah, they don't report that. But it was 622 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: hilarious the the guy interviewed maybe the major general who 623 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: was talking about how they got a billion dollars they 624 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: helped with getting a billion dollars of drugs off the streets. UM. 625 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: They were saying, we don't talk about that very much. 626 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: We don't release press releases because we don't want UM 627 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: to basically step on the d e A S operations 628 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: or anything like that. But trust us, that's how much 629 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: we get off of the streets. It was pretty cute. 630 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: They also work in just general UM aerospace and flying 631 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: education and advocacy. They do lectures and seminars, They put 632 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: together training manuals online, just trying to advance aviation and 633 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: the knowledge and love of aviation and Chuck. I also 634 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: saw in another article some other stuff that they do 635 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: is just pretty interesting. UM that is much more tied 636 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: to the military. So you remember there under like the 637 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: Combat Division. Um, well, the Combat Division puts them to 638 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: pretty good use sometimes, like if you are flying a 639 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: drone under f A regulations, that drone has to be 640 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: escorted by human in a plane over um over regular airspace, 641 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: nonmilitary airs base and so to get out of the 642 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: United States, a drone usually has to fly over non 643 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: military airspace. And so one of the things that the 644 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: Civilian Air Patrol does is they escort drones, which means 645 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: that that's something that the military doesn't have to do. 646 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: And for just one base with the drone escorts they provided, 647 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: this commander figured that they saved the military something like 648 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: four grand a year by doing this. Grottis basically they 649 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: also survey military training routes, so they basically fly over 650 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: the routes that test pilots are going to fly to 651 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: make sure that somebody hasn't put up power lines since 652 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: the last time they used them. Um. They they simulate 653 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: flyers that have accidentally entered restricted airspace for intercept training, 654 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: which has got to be kind of neat um and 655 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: that they're they're actually learning to fly drones themselves now too, 656 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: which is probably a pretty in demand skill if you're 657 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: somebody going into the Air Force these days. I think 658 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: it's adorable that they saved the military food dollars a year. 659 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: But well that was just one base too. But yeah, 660 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: he even he had enough self awareness that he was 661 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, I think he called it budget dust, 662 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: but he said, you know, it's it's still counts budget dust. 663 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: I love that half a million bucks is budget dust. Uh. 664 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: Then they have their cadet program. We mentioned earlier about cadets. 665 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: This is if you are under the age of eighteen, 666 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: you can still be in their cadet program. Once you're 667 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: over eighteen. Um, you know, you don't have to do 668 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: this until you're twenty one, but you can at eighteen, uh, 669 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: turn into a what's called a senior, which I thought 670 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: it was interesting that a seer could be like nineteen, right, 671 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: I can actually I found out why because that seems 672 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: kind of weird, doesn't it. What that they're called seniors. 673 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: Well that so if you enter in your over eighteen, 674 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: you have to be a you're have to be considered 675 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: a senior. But if you enter the Civilian Air Patrol 676 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: before you're eighteen, you can wait to become a senior 677 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: till your twenty one. And the reason why is because 678 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: you can get hammered when you get that rank you 679 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 1: get right, you just keep putting it off. It's called 680 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: delayed gratification. UM. You can get your training to get 681 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: your pilots license through the Civilian Air Patrol for basically 682 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: like half price of what you would pay a flight school. 683 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,479 Speaker 1: And it was it's such a great deal that flight 684 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: schools complained to the government and so this is unfair competition. 685 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: So there's a rule with the Civilian Air Patrol that 686 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,959 Speaker 1: if you enter the Civilian Air Patrol over the age 687 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: of eighteen, you are automatically considered a senior and you 688 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: do not qualify for instruction to get your pilot's license. 689 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: If you start before then and you start getting your 690 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: pilots license, you can delay being considered a senior till 691 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: your twenty one, so you have an extra couple of 692 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: years to complete your training to get your pilots license 693 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: at half price. That's the reason why you can delay 694 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: being a senior until your twenty one. Sounds like quite 695 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: a deal. Yeah, it is half price. Everybody loves half price. Uh. 696 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: And you know, like we mentioned earlier, just to kind 697 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: of put a cap on it, the UM, the cadets. 698 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: It is a bit like boy Scouts meets r otc um. 699 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: They get to actually get in planes. Like if you know, 700 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: if you're a kid, if you've gotta be twelve years old, 701 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: but if you are interested in flying and getting your 702 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: license or going into the air force, um, you can 703 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 1: you can train, and you can uh get yourself up 704 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 1: in the ranking system through the years, and you can 705 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: get seat time and planes and get flying experience, learn 706 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: to fly drones. It's a big one. Yeah. So uh, 707 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,479 Speaker 1: I think it's like a pretty cool program for kids 708 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: to get into. Yeah. And if drug dealers just make 709 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: you so mad you can't even see straight, it's another 710 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: thing you can do, that's right, get rid of that. Uh, 711 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: you got anything else? Got nothing else? John Roddey and 712 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: never responded, So I'm just gonna go with his one statement, 713 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: which was, I'm a proud veteran. This is al Air Patrol. Well, 714 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: thank for almost nothing, John Rodders. Great story. Uh. If 715 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: you want to know more about the Civil Air Patrol, well, 716 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: then go join the Civil Air Patrol. Uh. And since 717 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: I said that, everybody, it's time for listener, ma'am. This 718 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: is from a fellow Toledo in josh. Oh. Yes, hey guys, 719 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm a Spanish teacher and a second language acquisition NERD. 720 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: In a recent episode, you guys mentioned that you're not 721 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: fluent in the second language until you dream in that language. Uh, chuck, 722 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,439 Speaker 1: I remember I said I had heard that before. Um. 723 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: As romantic and poetic as this sounds, it's totally made up, 724 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: which is what I figured. UM. Also, later in the episode, 725 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: you mentioned that someone who learns the second language as 726 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: an adult will never reach the fluency of a native speaker. 727 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: This is true sort of. It depends on your definition 728 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: of fluency. Though. Speakers of English is the second language 729 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: who have been in an English speaking country for years 730 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: or even decades will still have an accent, make mistakes 731 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: in word order, or have trouble with the vocabulary. Uh. 732 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: In the end, I argue that fluency is overrated and 733 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: what we should focus on is proficiency. Being hyper focused 734 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: on becoming quote fluent end quote leads people to be 735 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: paralyzed when speaking, and they'll spend years studying a language 736 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: but never be confident in their abilities to ever use it. Uh. 737 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: Side note, even though this dream thing is a myth, 738 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: I totally still celebrate with my students when they come 739 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: in and tell me about having dreams in Spanish, even 740 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: if it's not true. Uh, it's still fun when kids 741 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: feel confident, and I'd lead them to believe it is true. 742 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: Looking forward to future podcast guys Lisa and Toledo, Ohio. 743 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: Hi Josh, Go Rockets, Hi Lisa, Go Rockets and go 744 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: mud Hens and go Falcons. What are the Rockets? Toledo 745 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: Rockets the University of Toledo. Okay, Yeah, because you know 746 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: Taleda is so well known for its space program. Yeah, 747 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why they're called the Rockets. Now that 748 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: they think about it, I'm ashamed. Who knows. Well, Thanks 749 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: a lot, Lisa, And if you want to be cool 750 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: like Lisa or like me and say you're from Toledo, 751 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: whether you are or not, it's fine. We probably won't 752 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: check bonnet. You can get in touch with us myriad ways. Um. 753 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: You can go onto our website stuff you Should Know 754 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: dot com and check out our social links, or you 755 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: can send us an email to stuff podcast at i 756 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: heeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a 757 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radios. How Stuff Works. 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