Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Car and Drivers. Into Cars, a
Speaker 1: podcast from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio, brought to you by eBay Motors.
Speaker 1: I'm Tony ki Roger, the editor in chief of Car
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Speaker 1: Eddie Alterman, and together we're Into Cars.
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Speaker 2: something entirely new. We'll cover the stories behind the cars,
Speaker 2: answering the whys and exploring the whats, and then we'll
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Speaker 1: This episode of Into Cars is a little different. We're
Speaker 1: going on a field trip to Cadillac House at GM's
Speaker 1: technical Center in Warren, Michigan, to have the customer experience
Speaker 1: of a very special car, the three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars Cadillacs Celestic. In addition to specifying how we'd
Speaker 1: order Cadillac's most expensive car. Ever, We're going to talk
Speaker 1: to the designers, engineers, and people responsible for a car
Speaker 1: that will compete with the Rolls, Royces, Bentley's and My
Speaker 1: Box of the world.
Speaker 2: For what seems like decades, Cadillac has been teasing a
Speaker 2: true flagship for its lineup, and now they've built it.
Speaker 2: The Cadillac Celestic is a three hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to start six hundred horsepower ev sedan that's as
Speaker 2: long as an escalade. But you don't just powerslide into
Speaker 2: your local Cadillac dealership to get one. Owners have to
Speaker 2: make the cut, and once they do, they're welcomed into
Speaker 2: the world of Cadillac House. Cadillac House at Vanderbilt, that's
Speaker 2: the official name, is the brand's attelier where customers go
Speaker 2: to speck out their celestics. The trim and colored choices
Speaker 2: are limitless, and it all has in the midst of
Speaker 2: a mid century modern architectural masterpiece. Aerosarnin's General Motors Technical Center.
Speaker 2: Dedicated in nineteen fifty six, Cadillac House is a jewel
Speaker 2: box of glass, travertine and marble, located right in the
Speaker 2: heart of the Tech Center campus. And the thing is
Speaker 2: nobody gets to see it. You have to be invited in.
Speaker 2: You either have to work there, be a journalist or
Speaker 2: by a Celestic. It's truly one of the most amazing
Speaker 2: places in America in terms of mid century architecture, but
Speaker 2: it's just not open to the public. And we're going
Speaker 2: to go there today. We're here at this incredible building,
Speaker 2: Cadillac House at Vanderbilt, with Alexandra Damasca, who is going
Speaker 2: to be our tour guide to sort of orient us
Speaker 2: to the space. And this is where Celestic owners will
Speaker 2: be specking out their cars, so give us the tour.
Speaker 3: It's quite a special place and that's why it was
Speaker 3: selected for the Celestic bespoke design process. It seemed fitting
Speaker 3: to create a space that would house the design process
Speaker 3: that was happening on a one to one level between
Speaker 3: the client and the designer and also with the support
Speaker 3: of our concierge. And we're at the GM Technical Center,
Speaker 3: which in its day was dubbed the Versa of the industry,
Speaker 3: and there is so much meaning to the place where
Speaker 3: we're standing. It's really the heart of the American automotive industry.
Speaker 3: But it also is the origin point of the American
Speaker 3: mid century modern design. It was one of the first
Speaker 3: commissions to a now very prominent designer, Aerosaranin.
Speaker 2: An Aerosaronin did the Saint Louis arch He did the
Speaker 2: TWA terminal at GfK.
Speaker 3: And correct a Bunch and many many iconic chairs. And
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's not only the automotive industry,
Speaker 3: it's part of the architecture and fern and also modern
Speaker 3: art because when you look around, you look outside of
Speaker 3: the catillag House and you see a fountain by Alexandra
Speaker 3: Calder called the Water Ballet. There are many sculptures, and
Speaker 3: one of them is the one that we're standing in
Speaker 3: front of, which is a beautiful glimmering screen by Harry Bertoya.
Speaker 1: And it really feels like you're in the heart of
Speaker 1: the whole complex too.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, on one side, you have the view
Speaker 3: of the Alexandra Calder fountain, but also you see the
Speaker 3: new design building which is called Design West and the
Speaker 3: iconic Design Dome behind us. On the other side is
Speaker 3: the Vehicle Engineering building. So we're technically standing at the
Speaker 3: intersection of artistry and engineering.
Speaker 1: We're here with Aaron Crossley who's the design director for Celestic,
Speaker 1: and Tony Roma, who's the chief engineer of Celastic, and
Speaker 1: they're going to take us through the Celestic. We're standing
Speaker 1: in front of what's this color called.
Speaker 4: This is cybery yellow metallic.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the design and how this all came together.
Speaker 4: It starts out as an actual sketch, as a vision,
Speaker 4: and it catches people's attention. You can tell even on
Speaker 4: paper that it's really something that you need to build.
Speaker 4: That started the process and the development of creating three
Speaker 4: dimensional scale models and then full size models transitioned to
Speaker 4: a concept vehicle, and then concept turned into a production car,
Speaker 4: and it was really very natural. Everybody was very invested,
Speaker 4: and you know, we've talked a lot about a flagship
Speaker 4: for Cadillac. Tony's worked on a lot of them. I've
Speaker 4: worked on a lot of them, and there's always been
Speaker 4: one reason or another that it didn't quite take flight.
Speaker 4: And this just all of the pieces came together in
Speaker 4: terms of what the vehicle looked like from a design
Speaker 4: evolution perspective, what the vehicle would do for the brand overall.
Speaker 2: You know, it is a completely new proportion, super long wheelbase,
Speaker 2: very very low, So can you tell us about the
Speaker 2: packaging of this.
Speaker 5: We had this maybe three quarter scale kind of vision model,
Speaker 5: so we scanned it and tried to put people in it,
Speaker 5: and you know, let's just say the studio was a.
Speaker 2: Little aggressive with yeah, just normal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you got to take something and start tugging
Speaker 5: and pulling on it and massaging it. And over the
Speaker 5: course of a fair amount of time, we quickly realized
Speaker 5: the flat battery pack out of something like a lyric
Speaker 5: was not going to work for a car like this.
Speaker 5: You really just can't get these proportions with anything like that.
Speaker 5: So we take our pouch cells that we normally put
Speaker 5: like toast, and we put them like pancakes. We flip
Speaker 5: them down and we stack them up in varying layer
Speaker 5: heights of sixes or nine. They have to go in
Speaker 5: multiples of three because we do three pouches in parallel
Speaker 5: and one hundred in series. So instead of being stacked
Speaker 5: like I said, like toast in threes, it's turned on
Speaker 5: their sides.
Speaker 2: And Domino's kind of exactly.
Speaker 5: So we have stacks of six, nine, and twelves depending
Speaker 5: on where you look.
Speaker 2: And oh amazing, I had no idea. I thought this
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you just take the skateboard under the
Speaker 2: hummer and throw.
Speaker 5: It out right now, Well, you couldn't get it this short.
Speaker 5: That proportions wouldn't be anywhere like this. The roof would
Speaker 5: have to be significantly taller.
Speaker 1: So how long and low it is, I can't think
Speaker 1: of any car in modern times with the one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty old wheelbase.
Speaker 5: We're I freaked exactly the number of like five millimeters
Speaker 5: longer than a Rolls Royce Coast and it ends in
Speaker 5: at eight because of the significance to the culture in China,
Speaker 5: so you know, we thought through even little TV details
Speaker 5: like that. Right, So thirty three oh eight is the
Speaker 5: wheelbase and the height.
Speaker 1: I think it's lower than a Malibu.
Speaker 5: The proportions are crazy, like you said, and the working
Speaker 5: on it in the studio, even in a setting like
Speaker 5: this when it's by itself, you definitely get a sense
Speaker 5: of scale. But then yeah, the first time you take
Speaker 5: it out into the real world, you're like, yeah, boy.
Speaker 1: It has a huge impact when you see it on
Speaker 1: on the roadway in a sea of crossover SUVs.
Speaker 5: Well, and back to your point about the roofline, the
Speaker 5: wheel tire package, These twenty three inch wheels are basically
Speaker 5: the same as an escalade, So it's got the wheel
Speaker 5: tire package from an escalator, with a roof shorter than
Speaker 5: a CT six and the length that's halfway between a
Speaker 5: short and long wheelbase escalade.
Speaker 2: I think it speaks to the overall size of the
Speaker 2: thing where they look natural, dec really natural.
Speaker 5: That's the wheelbase. I think right that you need those
Speaker 5: wheels to make this work. If they were any smaller,
Speaker 5: it would be look kind of silly.
Speaker 2: Well, walk us around it a little bit and tell
Speaker 2: us what you're proudest of.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things I'm proud I think the
Speaker 4: vehicle overall. When we talk about how unique it is
Speaker 4: from an appearance, the low profile bowl proportion, I think
Speaker 4: that that speaks a lot too. If you look at
Speaker 4: all of the significant Cadillacts of the past, I mean,
Speaker 4: they were always making these bold, unexpected design statements, and
Speaker 4: I think Celestic continues that narrative for Cadillac. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of beauty in the simplicity of the form as well,
Speaker 4: and then it's highlighted and punctuated by incredible technology and
Speaker 4: beautiful materials. I'm really proud of the work that the
Speaker 4: team did collectively to be able to deliver this vehicle
Speaker 4: with this level of material execution, I think is a
Speaker 4: huge accomplishment.
Speaker 1: There's carbon fiber body panels.
Speaker 5: Right the hood, these front fenders, the rear quarter panels,
Speaker 5: those are all carbon. The deck lid is also carbon,
Speaker 5: but you really can't see any of it. It's covered
Speaker 5: this AOC and D pillar trim. This piece right here
Speaker 5: is carbon.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a huge piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The only reason the doors aren't carbon fiber is because
Speaker 5: we needed them to be radar transparent. There's a radar
Speaker 5: unit right kind of in the center here that's looking
Speaker 5: for objects that the power doors might bump into. So
Speaker 5: we chose SMC essentially fiberglass only because the radar can't
Speaker 5: see through carbon.
Speaker 4: Of work done with the engineering teams around paint as well,
Speaker 4: and paint pigments and being able to have that radar
Speaker 4: transmissibility with the different pigments without causing any issues with that.
Speaker 4: So there was a lot of really upfront work done
Speaker 4: to really understand what the right pigment load is, what
Speaker 4: the right amount of aluminium is, so that we could
Speaker 4: have such broad opportunities for color on the vehicle. I
Speaker 4: think The other material note we love to talk about,
Speaker 4: and we can start with the exterior, is that everything
Speaker 4: that looks like metal is real metal.
Speaker 2: Tremendous amount of like subtlety and the line work and yeah,
Speaker 2: as you said, the shape itself is simple, but as
Speaker 2: you look closer, you see all this cool stuff sort
Speaker 2: of emerge. You know, the way that that bone line
Speaker 2: goes all the way down the side of the car,
Speaker 2: and that kind of crease in the door. It breaks
Speaker 2: us a lot going on.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on down the side of the car,
Speaker 1: even though, like you said, at first glance it looks
Speaker 1: super simple.
Speaker 4: Spent a lot of time perfecting that body.
Speaker 2: Fide so Tony as the person responsible ultimately for things
Speaker 2: like ctsvs. CT five v Black Wing, tell us about
Speaker 2: the performance a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't wait until we get a chance for
Speaker 5: you guys to drive this thing. It is like nothing
Speaker 5: you've ever driven before. The technology we incorporated into the suspension,
Speaker 5: We've got Mr Dampers, air springs, active role control. We
Speaker 5: obsessed over the kinematics to give it smooth ride and
Speaker 5: even motions, and these Mitchel entires completely overachieved on what
Speaker 5: we thought they were going to be.
Speaker 2: Those are the pilot. These are the pilot, EVS, PILOTV.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny when you look at it and all
Speaker 5: the things we've been talking about, how elegant it is
Speaker 5: and large and all of that, and you get in
Speaker 5: and you expect that's what it's going to drive like.
Speaker 2: But then when you get in.
Speaker 5: And drive it the first time, like Mark Roysdrovit, he
Speaker 5: got out of the car and he started talking about
Speaker 5: how athletic and responsive the car is, which is exactly
Speaker 5: what we were hoping. He would say, But you don't
Speaker 5: expect that. So you get out of the car going
Speaker 5: how did you do that? And that's exactly the response
Speaker 5: we're looking for. It's smooth and elegant and quiet when
Speaker 5: you want it to be, and then when you want
Speaker 5: to be a little more aggressive that it responds very well.
Speaker 2: So without of high character internal combustion ENGEN like you
Speaker 2: have in the V cars, you have to find other
Speaker 2: places to give it that character, right, and so we're
Speaker 2: seeing that a lot in EVS because the power deliveries
Speaker 2: is so similar from EV to EV. If you take
Speaker 2: the engine out of the equation, what are the points
Speaker 2: of differentiation? And you're starting to see like, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: really in chassis development. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the good news is it's in things that we're
Speaker 5: really really good at.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's about giving the customer an experience that they
Speaker 5: don't even know how you would do that. And that's
Speaker 5: what we were able to do with this car. Because
Speaker 5: every EV goes really quickly zero to sixty. Even the
Speaker 5: slow ones quote unquote are really fast by ice vehicle standards,
Speaker 5: So that's not a discriminator anymore. And in fact, I'm
Speaker 5: sure you guys have been in these really really fast TVs.
Speaker 2: They're almost uncomfortable when you do that launch.
Speaker 5: Especially if you're you can literally make people in a
Speaker 5: car like this.
Speaker 2: That was certainly not what we were calling for.
Speaker 5: And right from the beginning I've used this statement that
Speaker 5: we were trying to make a great car that happened
Speaker 5: to be an EV versus making a great EV. And
Speaker 5: that's a key difference. And so we did obsess over
Speaker 5: the kinematics and the suspension and the isolation and all
Speaker 5: those things.
Speaker 2: How did you achieve that it was such a low hoodline.
Speaker 2: We hollowed out the structure.
Speaker 5: Normally there would be some structure that would tie in
Speaker 5: the front of dash to the radiator support area and
Speaker 5: the upper suspension would get bounded by that. So the
Speaker 5: upper control arm comes within about three millimeters of the
Speaker 5: actual surface of the hood and we had to hollow
Speaker 5: everything out in order to let it all come up
Speaker 5: and just it's all about Yeah, there's no.
Speaker 1: Bumps on the hood.
Speaker 2: And engineering jing the right clearances.
Speaker 5: This was the first time we had ever done that
Speaker 5: at GM, that we had ever really made the structure
Speaker 5: literally go around the traveling front suspension.
Speaker 2: You know, when I drove that escalated V I was
Speaker 2: so astounded by the inertial management and how you have
Speaker 2: such a barge and also massive body feel so small
Speaker 2: and drive so small. So this thing does.
Speaker 5: Save drive this oh yes, and no offense to my
Speaker 5: escalated brothers and sisters, but the way better.
Speaker 2: You're going to be, You're gonna be blown away what we.
Speaker 5: Were able to do with chassis modal for shake and
Speaker 5: vibration and the response. Like I said, these tires, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, and the really low center of gravity that
Speaker 5: comes with an EVY It's crazy. Yeah, the car is
Speaker 5: just amazing.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the mega castings
Speaker 1: that are in the car.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, it's one of the things we did early on.
Speaker 5: We talked about you know, what did you do when
Speaker 5: you when you saw the proportions, Well, we packaged the
Speaker 5: people in space we wanted them to be. We distributed
Speaker 5: the lithium pouches around to get the right amount of energy,
Speaker 5: and then you've got to figure out a body structure
Speaker 5: that connects all the dots. And when the engineers came
Speaker 5: in the first time and said, okay, what if we
Speaker 5: made the entire lower structure out of castings, you sort
Speaker 5: of look at.
Speaker 2: Them and you go, nah, that would never work.
Speaker 5: You're thinking castings, big heavy, you know, cast iron skillet
Speaker 5: kind of thing. But then you really start looking at well, okay,
Speaker 5: by the time we weld together hundreds of pieces of
Speaker 5: metal and all the rest of the stuff, and we
Speaker 5: just sort of went down this road. And so we've
Speaker 5: got six major castings that come together to make the
Speaker 5: entire lower structure. And these are all sand castings, so
Speaker 5: we have the flexibility. We can three D print sand cores,
Speaker 5: so it's a mixture of hard tooled and printed cores
Speaker 5: to make the castings, and it gives us a lot
Speaker 5: of flexibility if we have to change something.
Speaker 1: I would think it's one of the major learnings. Oh
Speaker 1: as far as engineering and this.
Speaker 2: Absolutely and what is the volume ultimately, Well, we.
Speaker 5: Don't talk specifics, but we don't have the ability to
Speaker 5: even make very many of these even if we wanted to.
Speaker 5: So you know, somewhere in the order of to a
Speaker 5: day is around what we expect we're going to make.
Speaker 5: But yet we're not talking specific some volume beyond that.
Speaker 2: Well, can we go inside it and check out the interior?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? First off, how do you open the doors any
Speaker 1: door handles?
Speaker 5: Well, that was one of the things early on, right,
Speaker 5: So these lit round buttons, and like I mentioned, there's radar,
Speaker 5: so you'll get used to when you drive a car,
Speaker 5: you want to stay out of the zone for the radar,
Speaker 5: and then you just push the button and it opens.
Speaker 5: When you have the key fob in your pocket and
Speaker 5: you walk up to the driver's door, it would open
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 2: It's a setting. You can choose it or not.
Speaker 5: When you get in the driver's side and you push
Speaker 5: the brake pedal, that closes the door for you. So
Speaker 5: the owner in theory never even has to touch the
Speaker 5: driver's door. How do you close this door from the
Speaker 5: inside the door handle, and so you just flick it up.
Speaker 5: It's a micro switch and it'll do itself. Or you
Speaker 5: can push the door handle when you pull up to
Speaker 5: pick somebody up and you put the car in park,
Speaker 5: the screen pops up and you can just flick and
Speaker 5: open their door for them.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool the.
Speaker 1: Leather smell coming off of this as soon as you
Speaker 1: open the door. Yeah, and these door are the interior
Speaker 1: door handles are retro.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good seventies Yeah, that's exactly if you
Speaker 5: go look at a sixties Cadillact, this is what they're
Speaker 5: very much like.
Speaker 2: Yep, no record player, no bar, but no, no, we.
Speaker 1: Pick it out for different markets, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: We hop in Yeah. Oh wow, one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: inch wheel base. I can feel it back here.
Speaker 5: It goes to the door all but it's the door
Speaker 5: cast I think they're cast zanc. The windows switches, the
Speaker 5: window lifters or three D printed aluminum well coade hooks
Speaker 5: are three D printed.
Speaker 2: The metal on the assist handles all three D print.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: These are a real retro touch too. Yeah, the grab handles.
Speaker 1: So that's an impressive screen up there. How big is
Speaker 1: that screen?
Speaker 5: Fifty four inches? And this side over here has electronics
Speaker 5: shutters in it, so as soon as you're driving down
Speaker 5: the road, it turns opaque to the driver. So I
Speaker 5: can sit here and watch Hulu on my side of
Speaker 5: the screen or YouTube or whatever.
Speaker 2: I want and the driver can't see it. Is this
Speaker 2: the largest moonroof or panoramic sunroof? It's the largest I
Speaker 2: know of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's put it that way and then you can
Speaker 5: just you know, you can make it a load dark.
Speaker 1: It's like a triple seven window. And every piece in
Speaker 1: here is unique to Celestic.
Speaker 4: The suite of components visually is the same from a
Speaker 4: brand consistency perspective, but how we've executed it on Celestic
Speaker 4: is unique to Celestic exactly.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about what some of the goals were
Speaker 1: with the interior.
Speaker 4: Design, having overall design or form language that was fairly
Speaker 4: simple and easy to understand, so that it could then
Speaker 4: be embellished by materials, craftsmanship, technology, a really simple breakup
Speaker 4: that's easy to understand and realize in many different colors
Speaker 4: and nations. You know, an interior that is meant to
Speaker 4: be a blank canvas, that's meant to be customized and
Speaker 4: enhanced by the owner of the vehicle, you know, when
Speaker 4: they design it. I think another really unique thing about
Speaker 4: this interior because of the way it is handbuilt, is
Speaker 4: this ability to kind of taking advantage, if you will,
Speaker 4: of this ability to line things up so you know,
Speaker 4: you can trace this line from the base of the
Speaker 4: A pillar basically all the way three hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: degrees around the car. So really emphasizing the long lines
Speaker 4: that you get from the exterior echoing those on the
Speaker 4: interior IP.
Speaker 5: We went for this low and away look. You can
Speaker 5: see even how the steering column interfaces with the IP.
Speaker 5: That was a real design feature that we struggle with
Speaker 5: a lot is to get this down and away from
Speaker 5: you that spacious feeling. You know, you're in a big car,
Speaker 5: but yet the header's pretty low, so you want to
Speaker 5: make sure that it doesn't feel claustrophobics, very airy in here.
Speaker 1: Where are the batteries package? Now that we're sitting in
Speaker 1: the car, it's four seats, you know, very comfortable. I
Speaker 1: have a ton of foot room, I have a ton
Speaker 1: of leg room. Where have you packaged the batteries? Are
Speaker 1: they down this center tunnel?
Speaker 2: Hold that thought about foot room.
Speaker 5: Right, So under Aaron and I here are the nine
Speaker 5: stacks tall. Because a front occupant's legs are further out
Speaker 5: in front of them, so they can handle the age point,
Speaker 5: which call the hips down to your heel. They can
Speaker 5: handle that being a little more so we can lay
Speaker 5: our feet out. The rear occupants, because you're have the
Speaker 5: front seat in front of you, you need your heel
Speaker 5: down lower to be comfortable. So you only have six
Speaker 5: tall underneath your heels there, but then it goes to
Speaker 5: twelve underneath your body.
Speaker 2: So your floor is higher than yes, okay.
Speaker 5: And then the center tunnel, we turned the pouches that
Speaker 5: are about half the width of the car. We turn
Speaker 5: them ninety degrees and there's two stacks of twelve down
Speaker 5: the middle, down under the center console here like a
Speaker 5: Fiera gas tank. I can't think of a more elegant reference,
Speaker 5: but but yes, like a Hiero gas tank.
Speaker 2: Yess, tell us about the motors a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's a two motors system, right, so one in the
Speaker 5: front that has a built in APU for making twelve loads,
Speaker 5: and then one large one in the rear. It adds
Speaker 5: up to over six hundred horsepower of propulsion power, and
Speaker 5: they're very similar to like the performance version of a
Speaker 5: lyric there bespoke to us only because of what we
Speaker 5: do to them. From an V standpoint, we kind of
Speaker 5: encapsulate them, wrap them up. We did some different things
Speaker 5: with the gearing, but they're very common. I could spend
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars on drive units and it wouldn't
Speaker 5: make this car that much more special versus spending all
Speaker 5: the attention we did on the interior and other things.
Speaker 5: So the drive units are more than adequate. When you
Speaker 5: drive this car, it's very quick, super comfortable to drive,
Speaker 5: super quiet.
Speaker 2: So n n V. What is it stand? Oh, noise
Speaker 2: and vibration. Okay, so that's the new there's no harshness
Speaker 2: anymore because you don't have that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could just be I don't use the acronym, right,
Speaker 5: that could be it too. So the stereo system thirty
Speaker 5: six speakers inside?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 5: Thirty eight speakers and then we have two outsides, so
Speaker 5: you could say we've got forty we've got exterior speakers.
Speaker 5: We've got a tailgate mode so if you're at a
Speaker 5: car show, you can turn on and there's speakers outside,
Speaker 5: or if you're washing your car, you can turn it on.
Speaker 5: But the interior with the thirty eight speakers and the
Speaker 5: AKG guys, if they're listening to this, they'll chuckle because
Speaker 5: I've been telling them for years. And they won't let
Speaker 5: me say the best audio system in the world because
Speaker 5: that's a pretty subjective thing. But they know very clearly
Speaker 5: that's been our goal. And we're in the middle of
Speaker 5: the audio tuning.
Speaker 2: Loops right now.
Speaker 5: Spend a lot of time with them obsessing over all
Speaker 5: those little details.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Steely Ban records. Listen to a
Speaker 2: lot of diverse music right now. You can imagine.
Speaker 1: I wonder how long it would take if you just
Speaker 1: were sitting in the car listening to the stereo. How
Speaker 1: long it would take to discharge the battery.
Speaker 5: We can calculate it, but it would be a very
Speaker 5: long time. Yeah, this is the world's largest boombox. Four
Speaker 5: weeks later you'd be deuff and out of.
Speaker 2: What about the sort of sound signature of the vehicle itself,
Speaker 2: what we're going for in terms of the sort of
Speaker 2: over the road sounds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a really good question, and we've been working
Speaker 5: on that as a brand I'd say, as the Cadillac brand,
Speaker 5: we don't want this car to be too unique, and
Speaker 5: on its own, it doesn't need to be. It's more
Speaker 5: like everything else about the car. It wants to be
Speaker 5: the most pure expression of Cadillac. So you'll find that
Speaker 5: it'll be real similar to what you would find in
Speaker 5: a lyric, only maybe just a touch more refined and
Speaker 5: a touch more expressive. This car is all about quiet
Speaker 5: and the quieter you make it. As you guys know,
Speaker 5: you've driven so many cars over the years. I'm sure
Speaker 5: we call it drain in the swamp, right, and you
Speaker 5: start to notice those stumps that start sticking up and
Speaker 5: the things that you never heard before when you finally
Speaker 5: get everything else quieter. So we're obsessing over a lot
Speaker 5: of really small little details.
Speaker 1: So I noticed there's a V button on the steering wheel.
Speaker 1: What does that enable?
Speaker 5: So that enables what we call velocity mode. It lets
Speaker 5: the inverters use all the range of their capacity. Normally
Speaker 5: you don't, and like in velocity mode, it hurts range
Speaker 5: a little bit because it keeps the battery conditioned in
Speaker 5: a pretty narrow window. So you really only want to
Speaker 5: use it if you really want all the power.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking back at the cargo area, which is massive,
Speaker 1: which offers some practicality to this car, but it's sort
Speaker 1: of unexpected to build a essentially a hatchback out of
Speaker 1: this giant vehicle. Yeah, so what was the thinking, why
Speaker 1: isn't it a sedan?
Speaker 5: Well, that was just driven by the shape. When you
Speaker 5: look at that sketch there and talked about in the
Speaker 5: very beginning, the lines that make the shape really demanded
Speaker 5: that it not be a traditional, you know, three bucks
Speaker 5: sedan that would have totally altered its characteristics. And there's
Speaker 5: no logical place to put a bulkhead. I mean, trust me,
Speaker 5: the engineers wanted to but that signature if we were
Speaker 5: to get out and look in from the hatch, right,
Speaker 5: that signature is one of the things that designers were
Speaker 5: very obsessed with from the beginning. That four free standing
Speaker 5: seats with this long center console.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the seats are amazing. I don't have my dorometer
Speaker 1: with me, but they're nice and soft, but also kind
Speaker 1: of firm and supportive, and it feels like I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where the adjustment is. It's virtual.
Speaker 2: It's all virtual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm kind of reclined to back here.
Speaker 5: It's the same, essentially the same seat in the front
Speaker 5: of the rear. This is the first car I know
Speaker 5: of that anybody's really done. Four of exactly the same
Speaker 5: interesting forty way power seats with all the massage. The
Speaker 5: arm rests and the center console arrests are all heated
Speaker 5: active cooling, not just ventilation. You know, power head rests,
Speaker 5: all the bells and whistles. You've got a next scarf.
Speaker 5: You'll notice the little vent at the bottom. That's part
Speaker 5: of what we do to create what we call micro
Speaker 5: climate around each occupant, and that is much to the
Speaker 5: EV part of it, right, for efficiency and range you
Speaker 5: create you create this exactly local climate around the person
Speaker 5: to make them comfortable, so you're not constantly conditioning this
Speaker 5: huge cabin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been in some evs where I had some
Speaker 1: range anxiety and shut everything down except for the heated seat.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Pulled off a real trick here because the cabin itself
Speaker 1: isn't huge, and we're sitting in one that has a
Speaker 1: black interior, but there's so much light, and we're sitting
Speaker 1: in a car inside.
Speaker 2: In the hill building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of it is this little sail
Speaker 1: window back here that you look to your right and
Speaker 1: it just brightens every I mean, it's a really amazing trick.
Speaker 1: You pulled off here.
Speaker 5: When you recline back even further and you look out
Speaker 5: that window. Yet it's actually pretty comfortable. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Is this the longest duration project you both have ever
Speaker 2: worked on? A five years?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the longest single.
Speaker 1: Car single car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's rare.
Speaker 5: For a chief engineer to really stick with a car
Speaker 5: all the way from like that first vision model all
Speaker 5: the way through the production.
Speaker 2: That's pretty rare.
Speaker 4: And same from a design aspect as well, because usually
Speaker 4: once they had an execution mode, we move on to
Speaker 4: the next project. And also being able to have the
Speaker 4: car and its entirety usually we have exterior team and
Speaker 4: interior team to be able to be overseeing the vehicle
Speaker 4: on it its entirety, I think speaks to the importance
Speaker 4: of the vehicle.
Speaker 1: So was this car from concept to production? Was it
Speaker 1: designed and engineered with a price in mind? Or was
Speaker 1: it designed and engineered first and then you said, this
Speaker 1: is what it's going to cost.
Speaker 5: And I'd be lying if I said we engineered it
Speaker 5: to cost in any way?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: So this was designed with a vision in mind, a
Speaker 5: vision and experience. This is truly an exercise of what
Speaker 5: we're capable of from a design and engineering standpoint. The
Speaker 5: material choices we made there were definitely goals. If my
Speaker 5: bosses are listening to this podcast, right, they'll be like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, you know we gave you goals, of course,
Speaker 5: but yeah, this is more about more about that than
Speaker 5: the price. And the price sort of landed where it did,
Speaker 5: and it's in the range of what you would pay
Speaker 5: for a rolls rice or something, So I don't think
Speaker 5: that's going to shock anybody. I think what people need
Speaker 5: to do now is they need to see it, they
Speaker 5: need to experience it.
Speaker 4: There was this holistic desire to do this vehicle and
Speaker 4: to create this experience around it, and that was that everybody,
Speaker 4: I think was equally passionate and committed to making that happen.
Speaker 4: And it was kind of like, we will do what
Speaker 4: we have to do to create that and we'll figure
Speaker 4: the rest out as we go, but we need to
Speaker 4: achieve the vision. And I think, you know, creating the
Speaker 4: concept vehicle initially as well gave us that additional kind
Speaker 4: of physical north star that this is what we're trying
Speaker 4: to capture for production.
Speaker 2: But just to be clear, this does not have the
Speaker 2: north Star system, different north different.
Speaker 4: North Star, but a word that has significance to the brand.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to drive it be either.
Speaker 2: Thank you both for this incredible walk around. What a treaty.
Speaker 2: Thank you to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you Eron, thank you Tony.
Speaker 2: Thanks for all.
Speaker 1: So what happens after you decide to buy an over
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty thousand dollars Cadillac When we return,
Speaker 1: Eddie and I option out of Celestic as our private
Speaker 1: two of Cadillac house continues?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to car and drivers into cars.
Speaker 1: So Eddie and I are about to go through the
Speaker 1: client experience of specking out a Celestic and building our
Speaker 1: own Celestics. And we're joined here by the concierge.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 6: Yes, my name is Rob san Martin. I am one
Speaker 6: of three concierge currently with the Celestic program.
Speaker 7: Hi, my name is Maya Dagger and I am a
Speaker 7: system marketing manager for Celestic Excellent.
Speaker 2: Let's go through the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go see.
Speaker 6: So obviously, when you walk in, you're greeted by this
Speaker 6: beautiful custom piece by Harry Bertoya. This is the first
Speaker 6: commission piece ever by Bertoya and his largest, So essentially,
Speaker 6: when we greet clients into this space, they see celestic
Speaker 6: and all of its grandeur. Really, for any vehicle, photos
Speaker 6: will never do it justice. So it's always a great
Speaker 6: opportunity when we walk up these steps here to see
Speaker 6: in its full presence. At two hundred and eighteen inches
Speaker 6: in length, it's six inches longer than a standard escalade.
Speaker 6: So again it's a very big vehicle, and it's very
Speaker 6: impressive considering what it took to bring something of such
Speaker 6: genuine quality into fruition. So this space in general, we
Speaker 6: have such a great opportunity to customize how we surprise
Speaker 6: and delight our clients. One client of mine in particular,
Speaker 6: they had a love story from nineteen seventy one. They
Speaker 6: fell over an El Dorado with a red interior and
Speaker 6: a white exterior, and we partnered with the Archives who
Speaker 6: had that exact same unit. We pulled it into the space.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a very touching moment. They definitely had
Speaker 6: a connection to the vehicle.
Speaker 1: Did they try to buy the Eldorado, No.
Speaker 2: They did it.
Speaker 6: They actually still in possession.
Speaker 1: Of that, they own their own. Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we've been fortunate. We have a lot of
Speaker 6: clients that do have a storied past with GM and Cadillac.
Speaker 6: In the spirit of surprise and delight and getting to
Speaker 6: know our clients, we've met with them virtually, probably at
Speaker 6: least three or four times before they come to this space,
Speaker 6: we'll have understood their preferences.
Speaker 2: So once customers see the car, where do you take that?
Speaker 6: We do like the opportunity to give the client a
Speaker 6: full vehicle walk around with a subject matter expert. So
Speaker 6: we'll typically have, you know, a member from our engineering
Speaker 6: team join us. But before we get to that and
Speaker 6: we'll kind of pause here, move them over to our
Speaker 6: lounge space, get them settled, get any refreshments that they want.
Speaker 6: We'll also have a procured selection of food and beverage
Speaker 6: out here. We'll let them settle. Once we feel like
Speaker 6: the client is comfortable, we'll then transition back to the
Speaker 6: vehicle and then do that full walk around experience.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable, are you comforting? We're ready?
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 6: We have the opportunity to engage clients in any appointment
Speaker 6: that they really want, and the clients always find something exciting,
Speaker 6: something that they end up gravitating towards that you don't
Speaker 6: really expect. I had a client recently that was so
Speaker 6: fixated on the active rear spoiler that that's all we did.
Speaker 6: We just played with activating it and disengaging it for
Speaker 6: at least Yeah, So every client is unique, every client
Speaker 6: journey is special.
Speaker 1: Part design expert or therapist.
Speaker 6: Maybe oh oh, trust granm on call.
Speaker 1: And so this is the first time the customers will
Speaker 1: actually have seen the car too, yes, yeah, so they've
Speaker 1: learned about it. How have they learned about the car?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it really depends. We do things known as like
Speaker 7: our Whisper events, so we invite like a curated selection
Speaker 7: of people to those events and they will have seen
Speaker 7: the vehicle there. Sometimes we do, you know, bring the
Speaker 7: concierge or some of our subject matter experts to introduce them.
Speaker 7: So everybody's coming in at different points in their journey.
Speaker 7: A lot of people come to the website too, and
Speaker 7: they look at the vehicle and there's a high level
Speaker 7: interest there. Through our emails, all the traditional channels that
Speaker 7: we would normally go through.
Speaker 6: So we'll go through you know, a full program overview
Speaker 6: regarding the vehicle, ask all those engineering questions, see the
Speaker 6: vehicle for the first time for most clients, as you
Speaker 6: had mentioned, and then we'll come to this space. As
Speaker 6: I had mentioned, we would typically have their design on
Speaker 6: the table. We would have all of those materials that
Speaker 6: we're working with the design.
Speaker 1: Well, did they've selected already? Yes, from their virtual appoints. Yes,
Speaker 1: everything would have been predetermined.
Speaker 2: And so you have ninety basic colors on these bucks here,
Speaker 2: all sort of arrayed in REIGBIV order.
Speaker 6: Right now, we have seventy five actually on the wall
Speaker 6: because it gets super overwhelming. And then on top of that,
Speaker 6: we have a matte pairing for every single color that
Speaker 6: we can do in mat and in this offering we
Speaker 6: have everything from affect pigments, tricoats, tent coats, solid ceramics,
Speaker 6: so we have a great mix of everything. We could
Speaker 6: also do a custom development if a client had a
Speaker 6: very specific color that they wanted to achieve.
Speaker 2: So how many leathers do we have?
Speaker 6: We have around ten leathers right now that are currently available.
Speaker 1: So we've come in Eddie and I are We've had
Speaker 1: a discussion with you already and now we've brought to
Speaker 1: you some good ideas and some bad ideas. Okay, So
Speaker 1: what's the next process. Do I walk over to that
Speaker 1: wall and select my favorite leather. What's first?
Speaker 6: I'd like to anchor us with the exterior color, to
Speaker 6: be honest, because I feel like that's the crowning jewel
Speaker 6: of the vehicle itself. With that being said, yeah, let's
Speaker 6: go take a look. Could you tell me a little
Speaker 6: bit about your current collection or some of the colors
Speaker 6: and materials that you find yourself gravitating towards them life.
Speaker 1: I'm liking some of these lighter blues, Okay.
Speaker 2: I have a nineteen ninety eight geoprism right very similar
Speaker 2: to that, and I want to keep the family resemblance.
Speaker 6: Okay, I like that, you know, in that blue space.
Speaker 6: I would love to investigate maybe something that has a
Speaker 6: little bit more of a metallic as well as let's
Speaker 6: pull a solid and then just for fun, let's look
Speaker 6: at this.
Speaker 2: These are great blues, very cool, hard to choose. I
Speaker 2: like that French blue in the middle.
Speaker 6: Yes, I do too. We call that Carolina blue. These
Speaker 6: blues are really unique.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 6: We have things that lean more into that purple space,
Speaker 6: like the hydrangea you had mentioned, are Carolina blue that's
Speaker 6: more of like a cornflower blue, and then we lean
Speaker 6: into this wonderland, which is more like a Robin's egg.
Speaker 6: So with that being said, we're leaning more in this direction,
Speaker 6: I believe.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 6: Okay, for that sounds good. Now if we talk about
Speaker 6: the interior, could you tell me a little bit about
Speaker 6: some of the spaces that you're inspired by. Where would
Speaker 6: this vehicle typically reside.
Speaker 1: Here in Michigan?
Speaker 6: Here in Michigan?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want something a little bright for.
Speaker 2: Those gray days.
Speaker 6: Light and bright, I agree.
Speaker 1: But I also love the Detroit Tigers, so I like,
Speaker 1: I want something baseball. Mit.
Speaker 6: Okay, I have a huge you just plan the all right,
Speaker 6: So I'm going to pull some of these fabrics. So
Speaker 6: we have our cinnamons, our camea, and our sheer gray.
Speaker 6: We can't go wrong with any of these. I like
Speaker 6: the idea of maybe one primary color and then subtle
Speaker 6: accents of the other.
Speaker 2: I like this in him In as the primary and
Speaker 2: Tomie as the accent.
Speaker 6: Interesting.
Speaker 2: So Rob, when you said, oh, interesting, does it mean
Speaker 2: that guy's out of his mind or.
Speaker 6: No? I just typically, you know, I'm not one to
Speaker 6: do that subtle contrast. A lot of my clients like
Speaker 6: something that's a little bit bolder, but I love that.
Speaker 2: So we're looking at this gigantic sixteen foot diagonal screen.
Speaker 1: And the car is being built for us in real
Speaker 1: time with the options that we just selected.
Speaker 6: So if you can see on the wall there, we
Speaker 6: have already rendered that Carolina blue on the exteriors.
Speaker 2: So we picked the exterior, we picked the cinnamon leather,
Speaker 2: and now we're watching the accents get applied.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get ahead, but can I choose
Speaker 1: my carpet color?
Speaker 2: No, of course, this is where Tony really goes for bro.
Speaker 6: That's pretty. So you'll see and all these fine accents
Speaker 6: we've started to pull that contrast color.
Speaker 2: It's nice, it's so cool.
Speaker 6: It's a smart vehicle.
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 1: I bet you say that to all the clients, trust me.
Speaker 6: No, I mean, I'm here to make sure that they're
Speaker 6: not making a four hundred thousand dollars mistake. So there's
Speaker 6: definitely been some choices that we've we've helped clients, you know,
Speaker 6: steer them into a new direction.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear how you're talking out of
Speaker 1: my carpet. Are you gonna what?
Speaker 6: Are you gonna choose the heat orange? So let's look
Speaker 6: at format color.
Speaker 1: I like that red?
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, you like that red?
Speaker 1: You know what? Can I get the not just the forlorats,
Speaker 1: but can I get the carpet carpet?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can get the whole flooring in a different
Speaker 6: color as well.
Speaker 1: There we go. Okay, it's surprisingly okay, it.
Speaker 6: Is surprisingly okay. And you know what, that's actually really funny.
Speaker 6: I had a client recently that they were going with
Speaker 6: four tones on the interior and we were just like wait.
Speaker 6: But honestly, when it rendered, it was beautiful. We just
Speaker 6: did accent piping, accent stitching, and an embroidered headrest in
Speaker 6: a tress color as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've made a choice that I probably shouldn't have made. Yes,
Speaker 1: talk me out of it. How do we do this?
Speaker 6: I understand that you really love the red, but what
Speaker 6: I'm really gathering is that maybe you're looking to do
Speaker 6: something that's a little bit more bold.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm very bold.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: So with the exterior, we have that beautiful Carolina blue.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking we can bring blue into this space. I
Speaker 6: think it would be lovely if we, you know, we
Speaker 6: have this lighter blue exterior, and then if we go
Speaker 6: in and we pull the Phantom blue, which is probably
Speaker 6: our deepest blue. It could work really nicely. Santom is
Speaker 6: super chromatic, and Phantom also is that perfect accent for
Speaker 6: a brown. Honestly, you can't.
Speaker 1: Go wrong with it. It's bold enough to looks terrific.
Speaker 6: Okay, it looks great. You love it, but it's not
Speaker 6: what you want.
Speaker 1: Can you do the lighter blue?
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's definitely look at the Santorini.
Speaker 1: But it does look really nice.
Speaker 6: So this is Santorini. What do we think?
Speaker 2: It does?
Speaker 1: Remind me of my yacht?
Speaker 6: It's very yacht adjacent, I hear you. To be fair,
Speaker 6: we're going modern. I mean honestly with some of our
Speaker 6: leather selections that we've made so far. We have our
Speaker 6: cinnamon with that Santorini. Maybe we switch out the hard
Speaker 6: decore for our Humana, which is our carbon fiber, and
Speaker 6: then I think this could go into a whole nother direction.
Speaker 1: Was she selecting piping for the carpet car. Yes, very nice.
Speaker 6: Just so you're aware, there's probably around three hundred thousand
Speaker 6: areas within the vehicle that we're able to customize.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. It it's really good. The piping has
Speaker 1: gone to the seat color.
Speaker 2: This will be perfect for Greece.
Speaker 1: I's see.
Speaker 2: So how does the pricing work?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Not that I care about costs, you understand, well.
Speaker 6: You know the MSRP is directly correlated to the selections
Speaker 6: that we're making. Obviously, there are some significant price drivers
Speaker 6: in the vehicle. There are some significant upgrades. But that
Speaker 6: being said, it will just be determined by the selections
Speaker 6: that we make. We do start at the three hundred
Speaker 6: and forty thousand dollars mark or just north of that.
Speaker 2: What is the most expensive celest One can build? Honestly,
Speaker 2: the guys a limit?
Speaker 1: And is this configurator? This configurator is not online?
Speaker 6: This is it is not You can see the rendering
Speaker 6: itself is pretty advanced, so it really takes support. All
Speaker 6: you're talking about that's good, that's joke, But I actually don't.
Speaker 2: Say.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of experience in building really ugly
Speaker 1: porsches on their configurators. So is there a cloth seat option?
Speaker 6: There is a cloth seat back option, and then the
Speaker 6: lower IP and mid range of the vehicle. We have
Speaker 6: three cloth options.
Speaker 2: So you're changing the piping of the seats right now. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're just doing the center stripe very solid. And can
Speaker 2: you do the center stripe in Canerini?
Speaker 1: So the center stripe has changed colors there down the spine.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Can I do my rear seats in a
Speaker 1: different color than my front seats?
Speaker 6: Yes, we can.
Speaker 2: I love having the driver's seat one color and everything else.
Speaker 6: Oh that's what you like.
Speaker 1: I like that?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, every panel of the seat. Yep. Oh because
Speaker 2: and this order, basically, this ticket it goes to the
Speaker 2: craft's people sitting on this campus or yeah.
Speaker 6: No, so we have our artists in center where the
Speaker 6: vehicles are being built by hand. No more than two
Speaker 6: a day will be built by hand, and they do
Speaker 6: receive this actually in form of a book. We're documenting
Speaker 6: our designs as we go and especially once they're finalized.
Speaker 6: It's a very detailed book that's called a commissioning book,
Speaker 6: and that is the bible for every single Celestic build.
Speaker 1: There are so many possibilities there, really are. You could
Speaker 1: just spend hours and hours and hours doing this.
Speaker 6: And that's why you know. The design team, the color
Speaker 6: and trim team, they developed a beautiful palette of available
Speaker 6: offerings that we get to play with. And there are
Speaker 6: no two Celestics better alike.
Speaker 1: I think you're really leaving some website traffic on the
Speaker 1: table here by not offering this can figurators.
Speaker 2: This is the best configurator I ever.
Speaker 6: Saw, but I also think it could definitely crash a server.
Speaker 6: It's very heavy. We have our beautiful Santorini blue in
Speaker 6: the lower portion of the vehicle as well. I really
Speaker 6: love the combination of the strikingly bold with a classic
Speaker 6: cinnamon caramel leather.
Speaker 1: Tell me I have good taste.
Speaker 6: You do have a good taste, you do, man.
Speaker 2: What I've noticed is we've walked a long way from
Speaker 2: what we had originally to here. Yeah, you've guided us expertly. Oh,
Speaker 2: you've made your ideas our ideas.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you made some great choices today. These are really fun.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see it me too. From this point,
Speaker 6: I would just, you know, generate an MSRP based off this.
Speaker 6: I would work with our financial team to understand what
Speaker 6: that was, provide it to the client for their review,
Speaker 6: their approval.
Speaker 1: And I bring the appropriate number of suitcases of cash.
Speaker 6: Yes all, yeah, all fives. Please don't ask why? Yeah,
Speaker 6: of course, thank you so lovely.
Speaker 1: Meeting, Yeah, I was super fun.
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