1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: It's Almost Famous podcast, and I'm here today for another 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor recap, and this time I'm joined by someone 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: we got to know and love on season one of 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor, and she was on the most season 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: of Bachelor in Paradise. Nancy. Welcome to the show. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 3: Hi've Ben, Thanks for having me. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: Nancy. You've been up to some fun stuff recently. We 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: were talking about the fomo we experienced watching your recent 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Girls Weekend with Joan, Kathy and Susan. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: Well done. 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Tell us about this. I mean, I don't even know 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: what question I ask, because we got to see bits 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: and pieces of it, but it looked incredibly fun. 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: It was like summer camp all over. We went to 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: see Kathy in Austin, Texas, and she had everything arranged. 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: We cooked, we went out one night, we cooked in 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: one night, actually ended up having dinner for breakfast the 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: next day, and truly just hung out with each other, 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: went out on a boat with one of Kathy's friends, 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: and then went to this really cute Austin, Texas sort 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: of flagship place to drink and eat in the afternoon 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: and we had a ball, but truly we and I 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: know you've heard me say this before, as probably others 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: have that this because of Bachelor Nation and because of 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: what we all went through, it's a forever friendship. We fight, 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: we call each other out, I tell people to stop interrupting. 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: That hasn't helped yet, But just saying. 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: I was going to say, with Kathy and Susan, I 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: feel like that is uh, yeah, I don't know if 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: that would work, but we do. 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: We're it's like we're sisters because we like, like I said, 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: we fight, we give each other advice, all of that. 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: But that's the true blessing that came out of Golden 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: Bachelor Season one. 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: I was going to ask if you think, looking back now, 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: that the friendships and the bonds that you have from 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: that show is the best part for you. 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: It is for me absolutely without a doubt. 41 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: And obviously we saw you on Paradise. Fans want to 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: know if there's anything going on in your love life 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: since Paradise. Oh goodness, perhaps we're getting quiet. 44 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: Perhaps I don't want to say too much because it's 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: very new. Yeah, we've been talking and we're going to 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: see each other in a couple of weeks. That's all 47 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: I can say because I haven't met him in person. Sure, 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 3: you chat on the phone every day. 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just fun. It is fun. It's just like, 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: think the first person you've chatted with since the show. 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: Not chatted with But truly, I had one date in 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: the last five years, okay, because you know, been very 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: busy with Bachelor Nation since our season. I you know, 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: I didn't know I didn't date. So this would be 55 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: the first one that I've really wanted to And so 56 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: I'm hoping for the future. And Ben Higgins, you know, 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: you would be the first one I would tell if 58 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: anything happens again. So I'll call you and I could 59 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: come on again. 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can come on again. That'd be good. I'd 61 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: like that. So just give us I want to dig 62 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: in here. But how did you two connect? Can you 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: tell us that? Or is that given too much away? 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: I cannot tell you that? 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, All right, well we'll just have to 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: we'll just stay tuned. 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: Oh, I said, you'll be the first one to know. 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: Thank you. Make sure you let us know. Don't let 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: anybody else know. You couldn't come on here today. We're 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: obviously going to break down the most recent episode of 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor. It's Fantasy Suite week and we got 72 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: Cindy and Peg and Melt together for this week. But 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: we can't have you on without asking about the recent 74 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: headlines that have come across everything here in the last 75 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. It's Gary and Teresa and the mud 76 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: slinging between them. I mean, I don't want to say 77 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: crazy things are being said because that makes the you know, 78 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: one of them being crazy. I don't know this, but 79 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: there's outrageous things being said, like things that like will 80 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: make you stop in your tracks and be like, wait, 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: what was what are they claiming? What are they talking about? 82 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: So I guess my first question to you was is 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: this shock? Is this a shocker to you that this 84 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: is happening. 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: It's not a shocker. I first of all, regarding the 86 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: two of them, I feel like they did Bachelor Nation 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: a disservice, both of them together collectively, and I feel 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: like they could have each gotten out of it. They 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: could have left or broken up before the marriage. All 90 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: of that and the other thing I have to say, 91 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: because it's come out. Many things have come out, as 92 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, but Teresa told me verbatim that she read 93 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: a book on how to win the Bachelor. 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: M I remember this means so yeah, And. 95 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: She has said, you know, I feel like the truth 96 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: is sort of careless that arena, and you know, they 97 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: both the mudsling is bad. I mean they're both. They're 98 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: both I guess guilty or whatever. I'm not the judge, 99 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, the mudsling should sup 100 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 3: but I think she's really a lot harder on him. 101 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: He has some good points, but I think they should 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: both sort of stop because it sides. 103 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: Today. I don't know if you saw this, but you know, 104 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: the back and forth is it is what it is. 105 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: I agree it should stop. It's he's moved on, and 106 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: I'm hoping she has as well. But today E News 107 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: released a picture and this is a quote from Teresa 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: uh and she says, he said, do you see that 109 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 2: shed up there? And Teresa responded with I said yeah, 110 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: he said, well that's going where I'm going to hide 111 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: your body after i'd kill you and chop you up. 112 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: No, I did not see that. 113 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: Today it's out there in E News, so you can 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: go look. Yeah, it's it's very I mean, this is 115 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: one where I stopped and said, what is happening here? 116 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: You know, fans have wondered if he was like kidding 117 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: in that moment. I feel like maybe he does have 118 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: a dark sense of humor. This is very dark if 119 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: it was said. I also, I'm curious why this was 120 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: never brought up before. I feel like this would be 121 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: a pretty easy reason for a breakup or divorce. If 122 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: you're like, hey, this person that I got married to 123 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: is joking about chopping me up. It would have come 124 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: out a year. 125 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: Ago totally and again, she could have exited, she could 126 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: have enough. Can't do this. I'm getting red flags she didn't. 127 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a big claim, like a huge claim, Nancy. 128 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: She's saying that her at the time. I don't know 129 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: if they were married, engaged, I don't know what the 130 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: timeline was for this quote. But she's saying that the 131 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: person that she was with romantically at the time, no 132 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: matter when they were, what their you know, status was, 133 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: was joking about chopping her up. I don't want to 134 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: say it's going too far, but I feel like that 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: is like, if goodness gracious, I don't It's like, like 136 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: I said, it makes your jaw drop. Has he responded, 137 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: I haven't heard yet. Well, have to look at it 138 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: just came out a few minutes ago, right before we 139 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: got on here. Yeah, it's nasty. It's getting nastier. Gary's 140 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: book obviously came out here recently, and that's why this 141 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: stuff's kind of picking up steam. And I mean, I 142 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: don't know if anybody on our team's read the book 143 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: yet or not. He came on here just a few 144 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: weeks ago to talk through the book with us. After 145 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: Ashley and myself have read and gone through it. There's, 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: you know, obviously some very vulnerable admittance to their relationship 147 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: in this book. Also, Gary's story is told in this book. 148 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: So I mean, it could just be the weekly news 149 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: cycle where these headlines will come back and forth about 150 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: what they're saying about each other. But it's not pretty 151 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: by any means, and it's not it doesn't look healthy. 152 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: No, And I'm not sure anybody would joke about that, 153 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you could make light of it. 154 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe he will make light of it, but 155 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: we'll see. 156 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I can't imagine joking about that. That feels well, 157 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: it feels very odd. Well, thanks for talking about obviously, 158 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: you're somebody that would be close to the situation or 159 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: at least has been a part of their relationship for 160 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: a long time. We have moved on to season two 161 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: of The Golden Bachelor. Before we kick off the breakdown 162 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: of this episode, I would love our fans to kind 163 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: of understand where you're coming from coming into this. What 164 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: have been your thoughts so far in this season on 165 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: Mel as a lead on the contestants. Just kind of 166 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: get us caught up on where you're coming into. 167 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: This at I think obviously I've watched it and I 168 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: feel like it's been slow. I feel like Mel. It's 169 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: hard for Mel, and this may be just the way 170 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: he is his personality. It's hard to extract information from him. 171 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: There's a lot of one word answers, and again it's 172 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: I know it's not a criticism, it's just a fact. 173 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: But on TV, I sit there watching thinking, come on, 174 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: there's no one in there, come on, give it up 175 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: a little bit. What do you really feel like? And 176 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: it's really hard to get to know him, and I 177 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: haven't seen him. The other thing I wanted to say 178 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: about him was I haven't seen him be vulnerable. I 179 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: haven't seen him like get emotional. I think he did once, 180 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: but not I just can't get in. I can't. I 181 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 3: don't feel like I know him, And without knowing him, 182 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: it's hard to root for somebody that you're not getting 183 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: to know and who's not opening up. And I kept 184 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: thinking after the first one, maybe next week will be better. 185 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: So you know, we'll see. But I think the women 186 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: are lovely. I know there was drama with Nicole and 187 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: things like that. I think it's sad to see. You 188 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: know that some people may want to be influencers, but 189 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: I think that's just the part of the deal when 190 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: people come on. Yeah, I think what happens a lot. 191 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: It does happen a lot. I was hoping The Golden 192 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: Show would kind of stay away from that, and I 193 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: still think for the most part, it will. And this 194 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: was just kind of a one off moment. The show 195 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: tried to bring somebody on that they thought could spark controversy. 196 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: It didn't really work for him. I don't think fans 197 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: reacted positively to the drama existing on the Golden Show. 198 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: I hear you, and we've agreed during this podcast that 199 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: we don't know mel so we can't like criticize or 200 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: judge him as a human because we don't know him. 201 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: He hasn't done anything wrong. He just really hasn't done anything. 202 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: And so I see this and I watch this and 203 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: I'm with you where I'm like, I'm waiting for that 204 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: moment of vulnerability. And this episode had and we'll talk 205 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: about it, moments where this could have easily happened. Hometowns 206 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: had moments where it could have easily happened. Yet he 207 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: still stays in this same kind of dry, one word answer, 208 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: direct to the point, but not really ever getting to 209 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: a point. Responses that's not on him. I know many 210 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: people like that. It's on the show for casting him 211 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: as their lead. Did they think they were going to 212 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: get something different out of this guy? Why was he 213 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 2: the one where they're like, yes. 214 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: Or maybe they could get it out of him, or 215 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 3: maybe the producers thought they could get it out of him. 216 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: But he's not given anything. And I think, you know, 217 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: he appears to be a man of few words, so 218 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: he may need to be you know, pushed a little 219 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: bit or you know, help produce a little bit more. 220 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 3: But I think he is who he is. Not nothing 221 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: wrong with not with being a man of few words. 222 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: You probably shouldn't be on the show. 223 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so. And I think it's also and 224 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: I don't know this, I'm saying this for my opinion. 225 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: I think it's really hard to find good quality men 226 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: who are in their sixties and above who want to 227 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: date women in the same age. And you've apologize for 228 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: all that, but I think in real life, I've experienced 229 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 3: that all of us Golden Bachelor women from the first 230 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: season have experienced that they really do want to be 231 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: with arm candy and you know, somebody to make them 232 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: feel young and all of that. 233 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: We are at Overnight, so we're at Fantasy Suite week 234 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: for the Golden Show. We do have Cindy and Peg left. 235 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: The episode opens up with a teaser for something that 236 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: we see in a conversation with Cindy later on in 237 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: the episode. Mel does it at the very beginning of 238 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: this episode that it's possible he could be engaged in 239 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: a week. That's kind of his sentiment through this whole 240 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: episode is it's possible. Things have to happen or grow 241 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: or progress, but it's possible. Sure, you signed up for 242 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: a show that, yes, it is very possible in a 243 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: week you could be engaged. It's also possible you could 244 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: be engaged in a week. Nancy, we never know. 245 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, and he I guess Peg was his 246 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: first date. I mean, do you want to talk? Should 247 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: we talk about her? There? 248 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Peg. You know, the beginning of 249 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: this episode really just falls into this first date. He's 250 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: talking about, you know, a little bit with Jesse on 251 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: why the love word is not used. I think that's 252 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: fair and fine. What I think Jesse's actually trying to 253 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: do there is pretty much get this guy to open 254 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: up about any of his feelings towards anything so far, 255 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: good or bad or indifferent. We just want to get 256 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: to know where he's at and we have no clue. 257 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: But yes, let's talk about the first date. It is 258 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: with Peg. And he pulls up in a dune buggy. Nancy, 259 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: I'll let you take it from here. What was your thoughts? Feelings? 260 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: Break this date down? 261 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: He pulls up in a doom buggy. She is effusive, 262 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: she's excited, she's very energetic. And I don't mean this 263 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: in a bad way at all, But Mel doesn't have 264 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: to work for anything. She's on she's pulling the wagon. 265 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: He can sit back in the dune Buggy or somewhere 266 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: else and let her be yay, let's go do this yay. 267 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: Isn't this beautiful? He really doesn't have to work for her, 268 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: like work to entertain her or work to he doesn't 269 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: give back what she's giving. It's not it didn't feel 270 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: even to me. 271 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: What do you think that's just the case, though? Is 272 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: somebody that is a man of few words that you, 273 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: especially in this environment, you would have to chase because 274 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: you never know where you're at, And you're like, this 275 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: guy doesn't a word, He's not telling. 276 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: You where you're at, so you sort of have to 277 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: go with you. 278 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: You got to do it yourself. 279 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: What. 280 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I think. 281 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: So then she drives and it's even faster and better 282 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: than when he was. And I think I think Peg 283 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: was easy for him because of what I just said. 284 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: But also Peg said something like she wasn't certain they're 285 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: going to grow into this. She wasn't. She wasn't saying 286 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: I could marry you tomorrow. And I think my opinion 287 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: is when I was watching it, he liked that. He 288 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: liked that about her. 289 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I think you can't have an 290 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: episode of Fantasy Suite week without comparing contrasting the different relationships. 291 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: And I think Peg and her mindset towards this relationship 292 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: is very much in line with his mindset towards this relationship, 293 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: and that's why I felt like they clicked. You know, 294 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: they go dinner that night, and they do have some 295 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: really great conversations, but the conversations are kind of leading 296 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: up to this. We'll see where this goes. Mentality like 297 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: this is great. I like you, I missed you. It's 298 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: good being around you, but we're not making any big 299 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: commitments to each other right now. And she even jokes 300 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: that he would have to get a prenup if they 301 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: did get married. It just felt like it was in line. 302 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: And then they both seem very excited for the fantasy suite. 303 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: I say that because later on it felt like there 304 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: wasn't an excitement for a fantasy suite, but this one 305 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: felt like it was very much like, Hey, this could 306 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 2: be a lot of fun. I enjoy being around you. 307 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 2: Let's make this. 308 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: Thing happen exactly exactly. And I think it's in the morning. 309 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: I didn't get a fuzzy, warm feeling, though, but I 310 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: don't think he's fuzzy and warm. 311 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: No, and I don't think he's comfortable with the cameras. 312 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 3: I agreat so we shouldn't. I guess against him that 313 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: he's a man of few words, and he you know, 314 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: isn't as effusive. But I was hoping that he'd get 315 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: a little more warm and fuzzy made perhaps after the overnight. 316 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think like, hey, this has been a 317 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: wonderful night, let's cuddle up, let's talk, let's spooch and chat. 318 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: Get that we didn't get that the only thing here 319 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: And I'm with you. I again, this is not a 320 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: criticism for him personally. He is a man of few words. 321 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: He is who he is, and he stayed firm in 322 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: what he thinks is right through this whole process, and 323 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: we give him credit for that. You're just on the 324 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: wrong show, though, Like you can't be the lead of 325 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: the Bachelor and not show us anything. Like they have 326 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: to choose people who they know we can invest into 327 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: as an audience. I also feel like the show has 328 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: done him a little bit of a disservice. They've aired 329 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: many moments where he's ell closed off, cold, brash, and 330 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: then this episode they really showed him if it was 331 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: true or not to be boring, like he's driving the 332 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: doom buggy really slow putting around. They make sure to 333 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: air that, right, They don't just air the fun times 334 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: they're having, And then they make sure to make a 335 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: big deal of him swimming with stingrays and his lack 336 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: of desire to do that. 337 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why they did that, are you no? 338 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: I mean, usually they protect the lead. It feels like 339 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: the last few weeks of this season they've really kind 340 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: of thrown Melt to the wind where they're like, Hey, 341 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: we're going to show him during Hometowns not answer anybody's 342 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: questions and really not engage any of the families in 343 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: a meaningful way. We're going to show him now during 344 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: Fantasy Suite week be completely closed off, cold, and also 345 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: not invest into any of these experiences that they're getting 346 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: you that they're able to have, and they're not helping 347 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: his matter of the likability from the public or just 348 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: a public being like, oh, look at mel, he's really 349 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: having a good time here. This episode makes him look 350 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: miserable for half of it. 351 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: Yes, it was awkward. He was awkward, and I don't 352 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: mean he's an awkward person, but in those situations he 353 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: was awkward. And I'm surprised they showed it like that. 354 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: I'm surprised as well. I don't remember many seasons where 355 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: the lead has been so exposed in a negative way 356 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 2: so often. We talked about Mel and Peg waking up 357 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 2: the next morning. Comparatively, they do seem a lot warmer 358 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: with each other than what we see later on in 359 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: the episode. So I will say, if we're looking at 360 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: a comparison, because that's the only thing we can do, 361 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: it feels like Peg and Mel at least enjoy their 362 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: time with each other, and it does feel more fun 363 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 2: and lighthearted than what we see with Cindy. We do 364 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: have Cindy's one on what date coming up next? 365 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 3: Do you feel that way? Because Peg is so excited 366 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: and there's more, you know, she's all over, she's joyful, 367 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: and she's you know, like I said, he's just like 368 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: sitting there. But as far as TV like, it's all 369 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: happy and energetic. Do you feel that? I mean, I 370 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 3: don't know that that he his responses to her are like, yeah, okay, 371 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: this is great. 372 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 2: I mean I think that if we look at it, yes, 373 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: Peg is more energetic, she's more lighthearted, She's not putting 374 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: any pressure on this dude, So I think he feels 375 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: completely relaxed in this relationship. Cindy comes in and says, 376 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: I like you, mel I want to progress this thing forward. 377 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm excited and committed to potentially spending the rest of 378 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: my life with you. And I think in the back 379 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: of his mind he is thinking, I never came on 380 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: this show thinking this would happen, and I'm not about 381 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: to let it happen now. 382 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. 383 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 2: So there is distance between them, and we don't really 384 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: see it until later on the date because the date 385 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: starts out with him going to swim with Stingrays. He 386 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: seems excited about it when he brings it up to her. 387 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 3: Well, and you know what I noticed, tell me if 388 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: you agree. I noticed when they were on the boat 389 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: and before they got to the Stingray City, he was 390 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: smiling at her. I was trying to look at details, like, okay, 391 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 3: a little any little clue where he is. He was 392 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: smiling at Cindy more than he was smiling at Peg 393 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: on the date, So. 394 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 2: His body language was very positive and he. 395 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: Was yes, of course it was positive, and he was 396 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: saying the same things I like you, I like you, you know, yeah, 397 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: And then yes, Stingray City didn't work well for him, 398 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: but I thought Cindy was very sweet about it and 399 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: was trying to get him like it's okay, honey, you know, 400 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: come on work. They won't hurt you. And it was 401 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: I mean, he that part. Actually he was vulnerable. 402 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: He was, but also just an odd date for the 403 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: show to set up. I mean, as as a lead. 404 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: At one time, they would have asked me, Hey, we're 405 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 2: gonna swim with Stingrays today. Are you nervous about this? 406 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: And I could say yes, I'm very nervous, and they say, okay, 407 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: you know this is a big week, like how can 408 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: we make it so that you have a good time? 409 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: Like those were always conversations that had or they would 410 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: show me saying in an interview I'm nervous about this, 411 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: to at least give perspective into why I am not 412 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: jumping in with the Stingrays. Mel just pretty much like 413 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: stands off to the side and makes things very awkward 414 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: for everybody involved, including the people leading the tour, who 415 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: are like they were, hey, like you get this once 416 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: in a lifetime chance, And. 417 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: It looked like they people leading the tour obviously they 418 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: have food, but they over twenty feet away, so that 419 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 3: so the stingrays wouldn't get near him. Now, we don't 420 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 3: know what happened off camera, but we know that he 421 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: was not comfortable and I think he was like, don't 422 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: get them near me. 423 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: It was just a kind of a blow date. So 424 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: we'll say that the day ended and it looks like 425 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: Cindy had a great time and Mel was miserable, and 426 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: they get out of the water is and they start 427 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 2: having this conversation about the future. It's where things kind 428 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: of get closed off. There's nothing. Cindy is kind of 429 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: laying her heart out there to Mel, talking about the 430 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: show and what it means to come on the show 431 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: and what a future can look like between them, and 432 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 2: he is has a wall up that is bigger than 433 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: any wall I've ever seen on the show. It's fantasy 434 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: sweet week. It's really where we start to see emotions 435 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: take over. He has no emotion towards it other than 436 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: pretty much telling her, I'm not going to make you 437 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: any promises. Is because there's somebody else involved here. He's 438 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: not even skipping over and trying to make this easier 439 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: for her. He's just pretty much telling her. I think 440 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 2: she should pretty much in this moment, ask like, if 441 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: I'm going home next week, let me go home now 442 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: because I've got people I want to see. 443 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 3: Ye. 444 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: It felt again, it just felt awkward. It felt like 445 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: their chemistry was really bad in this moment. 446 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 3: And I mean, I do think, I do think she 447 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: asked all the right questions. You would ask the same questions, right, 448 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: we all would in her situation. 449 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: She asked all the right questions. He just didn't really 450 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 2: answer any. 451 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: Of them correct And what does that tell you? 452 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I think the only thing we could 453 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: have seen out of her was for her to push 454 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: that one step further and been like, you haven't answered anything, man, Like, 455 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: I've asked you everything. I've given you every opportunity to 456 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: reassure me. You don't have to tell me we're going 457 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: to get married or then I'm going to even be 458 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: the one. I haven't asked that of you. But I'm 459 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 2: just asking what you see in a future together and 460 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: what you like about our relationship and those types of things. 461 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: And you can't give me anything, mel Do you even 462 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: want me? Here? Would be the question I would ask, correct, like, 463 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 2: put it back on him, because she didn't ask anything offensive. 464 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: No, and she wasn't saying, you know, my drop dead 465 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: date is this to get married? You know, it's not 466 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: like they're having kids. It's not like she's putting pressure 467 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: on him other than the pressure he's feeling. By asking 468 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: how do you feel about it? Is? That's a dating question? 469 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: Where are we? What do you want to do? I 470 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: don't know? 471 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: She even asks, like, do you want to get married again? 472 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: He says, I don't know, well, okay, and she her 473 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: response is insightful, which I think at this point she's 474 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: very annoyed and very concerned that this relationship will be ending. 475 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: But again, that's a very fair question to ask while 476 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: you're on a show about a proposal at the end, 477 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: is mel, I'm not even saying me, do you ever 478 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: want to get married again? 479 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: Like? 480 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Ever? 481 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: Like? 482 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: Is that even something that intrigues you? 483 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 3: Right? Come on? I just felt I felt that I 484 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: do this because this is how I felt watching the show. 485 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: And I assume and I know that some people were 486 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: feeling the same way. It's like, give us something, tell 487 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 3: us about you. We want to root for you, Mel, 488 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 3: And I'm sure he's a lovely guy. It's just on 489 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: the show and you're the lead we're not getting anything. 490 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: We want to root for him. 491 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we don't. 492 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: Come on this show to like ruin people's lives. That's 493 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: not fun for anybody. It's not sustained for anybody. We 494 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: want to root for you, but it's hard to when 495 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: you give us nothing. And they've really focused on like 496 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: one topic that I, for whatever reason the producers think 497 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: is very interesting. But he talks to both well really Cindy, 498 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: and he compliments her on how spiritual she is. Again cool, 499 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: but there's nothing else to that. What does that mean? 500 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: Like when you say she's spiritual? This shit else? Right, 501 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: there's no backing to that is is she spiritual? So 502 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: you appreciate her generosity? Do you appreciate her faith? Do 503 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: you appreciate her resilience? Like, we don't know anything more 504 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: than that she's spiritual, which means nothing to anybody other 505 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 2: than that. Right, right, we're not getting anything. 506 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: We're not getting anything. And she could tell she wasn't 507 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: getting anything. At the end of the show, I thought, 508 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: I mean you could see it. She's like, Okay, thank 509 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: you for you know, answering my questions, which really he didn't. 510 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: I'm anxious to see what happens with their overnight. 511 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if it even happens. I mean, 512 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: Cindy asks, where do we go from here? Could have 513 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: been a great moment for Mel to say, let's go 514 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: to the fantasy suite and actually have a real conversation 515 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: about stuff that actually matters, and said he said, if 516 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: there's a will, there's a way. Goodness, gracious man. Him 517 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: as a lead again is like very confusing because it 518 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: just feels like he doesn't want to be there. Even 519 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: from the interviews that he did before the show even started, 520 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: it felt like this wasn't a show for him specifically 521 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: why they went through it and said, no, this is 522 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: our guy, this is who's going to bring us this 523 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: kind of rebound season. I'm confused by to this day, 524 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: I've yet to see it. I hope we get some 525 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: vulnerability next week. We do have a preview of the finale, 526 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: which is two hours long. Cindy says that she and 527 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: Mel are very well suited for each other. I guess 528 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: I'll pause here and ask you, Nancy, you've been a 529 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: part of this show. After this conversation, we just saw 530 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: the way he communicated with her, why do you think 531 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: she still thinks they're very well suited for you. 532 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: I have no idea fair enough? How could you say that? 533 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: How could she? And you know what I have to say, 534 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: I don't think she really believes that. I think she's 535 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: trying to put the right face on it, like Okay, 536 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: let's go, it's a show or at the end. And 537 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: I love, I love, I think they're both lovely women. 538 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: But I would wouldn't you be running for the hills 539 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: If he can't say anything else. That's a red flag, 540 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: and I think she is the red flag. 541 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a wake up call. 542 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: At some point. We do see the end of this preview, 543 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: Mel talking to Peg telling her he had an overnight 544 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: with Cindy and he wants to be transparent with her. 545 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: Is this a moment where he overshares that he doesn't 546 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: actually need overshare? Is this a moment where he's just 547 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: telling her, Hey, after my overnight, I realize it's you 548 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: and you only what do you think happens here? 549 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: I would have thought personally that he would have chosen Cindy, 550 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: But after his lack of communication and his feelings and 551 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: how he feels, which we know he's not sure what 552 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: he feels, I'm not sure that he will end up 553 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: with Cindy. I don't know, obviously, I'm guessing. I don't know. 554 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: It will be the most dramatic moment of this season, really, 555 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: that conversation, I think so. I mean, I think anytime 556 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: you're talking about having an overnight with somebody else on 557 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: a day that you might be proposing to the other person, 558 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: I think that's dramatic and awkward and weird. Respect him 559 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: for being honest. I don't think it's necessarily ever necessary 560 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: to do this. We've seen it happen in the past. 561 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: It never goes overwell. I feel like this is a 562 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: conversation that should happen post show. You two are hanging 563 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: out and you're like, hey, just let you know. I 564 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: want to be clear. This is what happened that you 565 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: didn't see. This is why we're sitting here today. But 566 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: doing it with a camera in your face, it just 567 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: feels like it could get weird fast. I know, I agree, Nancy. 568 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to get engaged with in 569 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: to this? 570 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: I can't see how he can. I can't see what 571 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: he's given us, how he could get engaged and feel 572 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: good about it when he's just said I'm not really sure. 573 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 3: He's vascillating and I he's been truthful, which is good. 574 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 3: I admire that, but he hasn't given anything. And I 575 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: just don't see how you can then having acted on, 576 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 3: you know, been on the show this way, and then 577 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: get engaged. So I would vote no. He doesn't get engaged, I. 578 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: Would vote no as well. I don't see it happening. 579 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. I know headlines are hinting that he 580 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: does and that he said he did, but I would 581 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: be shocked if he actually does. I feel like that's 582 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: the show trying to throw us in a different direction. 583 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: Any final thoughts when it comes to this episode or 584 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: this season so far, Nancy. 585 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: This season, I was hope, you know the goal. Obviously, 586 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: I was on the Golden Bachelor first one. I'm so invested. 587 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: I love Bachelor Nation. I love the show. I feel 588 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: like it's going a different direction. I feel like, like 589 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: I thought a difference with this new show. The Golden 590 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: Bachelor two was everybody kind of looks similarly. It was 591 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: a different group obviously than my season. But I feel like, 592 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 3: like I said earlier, you know, there's half of them 593 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 3: wanted to be influencers. They wanted to like there was 594 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 3: more to it, and I felt like our season we 595 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: really most of us. I would say when in open 596 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: eyed hopefully we're going to meet the guy, Yay, this 597 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 3: is going to be great, and this one didn't feel 598 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 3: that way. But I don't know if it's because also 599 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: Mel didn't give back enough. You know, Gary had. 600 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: A lot to say well, and we're seeing that now 601 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: even today as we started this show out, Gary has 602 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 2: the ability to, at least good, bad, or indifferent, speak 603 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: openly about where he's at and what he's feeling, which 604 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: is one of the reasons why I think America endeared 605 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: their self to him and so many of you cast 606 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: members because they felt like they were in it with you. 607 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: And this season had felt distant, and I think that 608 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: comes from the lead and moves down to thin the cast. 609 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: It does feel distant, but we're still hopeful. That we 610 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: have one more week left of the season two of 611 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor again, it's a two hour finale where 612 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: we will see who Mel might possibly choose between Peg 613 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: and Cindy. My vote is he chooses Peg, and your 614 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 2: vote you said he chooses Cindy. 615 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 3: Right, he would be the one I would pick, but 616 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: I really don't think he's going to choose either one. 617 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: That's my I don't know how he could having said 618 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: the things he said and acted the way he has. 619 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 2: That's very fair. Nancy. Thanks for joining us today, Thanks 620 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: for breaking this episode down. Best of luck in the 621 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: upcoming weeks as you at least maybe have a little 622 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: fun with this new mystery person and come on our 623 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: show when you're ready to tell us all about it. 624 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: Always look forward to having you. 625 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Good to 626 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 3: see you. 627 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: Good to see you too, Nancy. We'll be back this 628 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 2: week with more Bachelor Nation news, from headlines to interviews, 629 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: to breaking down the Golden Bachelor to everything happening behind 630 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: the scenes. So until next time, I've been Ben and 631 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 2: we'll talk to you soon. 632 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 633 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.