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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, here at the

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Speaker 2: Tutor Dixon Podcast, we've been wanting to chat with the

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Speaker 2: former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich for some time now,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes God's timing is best. And seriously, who better

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Speaker 2: to break down the current goings on in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: Than the former speaker himself. Speaker Gingrich, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be with you, and you're right, these

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Speaker 3: are very interesting times.

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Speaker 2: It is. It is, and for so many reasons, because

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you we're watching what's happening in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: and for those who are listening out there, if you're

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Speaker 2: not totally following everything that happens every day, A pretty

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Speaker 2: major historic move occurred this week where we saw Matt Gates,

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Speaker 2: Congressman Matt Gates put emotion out there to oust the

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Speaker 2: speaker and Kevin McCarthy was ousted from his position, which

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Speaker 2: is shocking because it took eight Republicans really to team

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Speaker 2: with Democrats to oust Kevin McCarthy. But on the ground,

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Speaker 2: you hear a lot of folks who are happy about this,

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Speaker 2: and I think that maybe there's some confusion in the

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Speaker 2: Speaker Gingrich, I wanted to get your opinion on this,

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Speaker 2: because you've been pretty outspoken. You've even called these people traders.

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Speaker 2: So explain from your perspective, having been in this position,

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Speaker 3: Well, let me draw all distinction. I think people have

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Speaker 3: every right to be angry. You look at the border,

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Speaker 3: you look at crime, You look at the price of

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Speaker 3: food and gasoline. You look at drug addiction killing more

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Speaker 3: Americans every year than we lost in the entire eight

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Speaker 3: of education, and a lot of good reason to be angry.

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Speaker 3: The question is whether or not the people you ought

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Speaker 3: you're trying to actually pass something. The Republicans of the House,

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Speaker 3: in the end that the liberals win. And I think

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Speaker 3: that that's only people have. We simply have to communicate

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Speaker 2: I think that's a key point. I want to stay

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Speaker 2: And I think that's been hard to bring people together

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Speaker 2: But how do you get folks to really understand that

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Speaker 2: Well, a survey that just came out from Insider Advantage

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Speaker 3: The House is four hundred and thirty five independently elected

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a lot of criticism from the folks

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Speaker 2: But the reality is that's just not the case in

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Speaker 3: You know, you come from state that has one of

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. A lot of people say that

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Speaker 3: Look. I like Charlie. I've done his show a lot.

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Speaker 3: couple of million illegal immigrants come in, whether their children

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Speaker 3: are going to go to school that's unsafe, drug ridden

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Speaker 3: and with no education. I mean, I think that's why

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Speaker 3: the Democrats in the end, they're going to lose. It's

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Speaker 3: a race between our being a little bit dumb and

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Speaker 3: they're being corrupt and totally incompetent and destructive. And it's

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Speaker 3: an unfortunate way to think of it. We're not perfect,

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Speaker 3: but we are so much less destructive and so much

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Speaker 3: less dangerous to the average person that I suspect we're

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Speaker 3: going to win a huge victory next year despite our

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Speaker 3: inability right now to bring ourselves together and get our

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Speaker 3: act together.

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Speaker 2: There are people who consider Trump a bowl in a

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Speaker 2: china shop, that his comments have caused some of this chaos,

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Speaker 2: that they have created, this divide. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump caused the chaos?

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Speaker 3: No, I think that you saw developing with the Tea

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Speaker 3: Party movement. You know, the American people are in turmoil.

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Speaker 3: They're angry. They see their country being torn apart. They

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Speaker 3: see left wingers, you know, suggest that third graders ought

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Speaker 3: to decide what their gender is. They see the teachers

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Speaker 3: union demanding more money while nobody in the school learns

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Speaker 3: any math. They're watching the U and I an autoworkers'

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Speaker 3: strike the car plants, which is a huge help to

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Speaker 3: all of our foreign competitors. I think the average American

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Speaker 3: just thinks this is nuts. You watch a flash mob

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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia go through and steal three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: and ten minutes, and you think to yourself, this can't

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Speaker 3: be America. So I think there are deep things here.

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Speaker 3: I think Trump people turn to Trump because they want

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Speaker 3: somebody strong enough to change the course of a system

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Speaker 3: which is gradually decaying and crippling the United States and

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Speaker 3: threatening every American. And he clearly has weaknesses. But on

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Speaker 3: the other hand, he has enormous strength. I can't imagine

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Speaker 3: anybody else who could take the beating he's had since

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen and still be standing and still be campaigning.

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Speaker 3: And as you know, they're trying to get at him

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Speaker 3: in every way they can because he terrifies the left.

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Speaker 3: I always tell people it's not that Trump is a

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Speaker 3: great conservative in the sense say that Reagan was. Trump

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Speaker 3: is the best anti left politician in my lifetime because

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Speaker 3: he gets up in the morning and he exercises common sense.

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Speaker 3: And if you exercise common sense, the left is going

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Speaker 3: to go crazy. So he actually thinks the students should

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Speaker 3: learn the two plus two equals four. He actually thinks

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Speaker 3: that we probably have men and women. He actually thinks

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Speaker 3: that work is better than dependency. I mean, he has

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Speaker 3: all you know. He thinks criminals ought to be locked

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Speaker 3: up and you ought to be safe. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you're on the left, all these ideas just drive you crazy.

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Speaker 3: But if you're everybody else in the country, you think, gosh,

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Speaker 3: here's somebody who actually makes sense. And that's his greatest strength.

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Speaker 2: So on Sunday, our pastor had a message of it

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Speaker 2: was about politics, and he said we should not put

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Speaker 2: our faith in a person or a politician or a president.

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Speaker 2: We should put our faith than God. And I believe

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Speaker 2: in that obviously. I think that that would get us

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Speaker 2: to the right person. If we were more focused on God,

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Speaker 2: that would get us to the right person to be

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Speaker 2: in the White House. But there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: people that hold Donald Trump right up there at that level.

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Speaker 2: Is there an opportunity for him to come out to

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Speaker 2: draw people back to faith, but also to kind of

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Speaker 2: appease what's going on right now and make that statement

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Speaker 2: that you made that you can get eighty percent. You

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Speaker 2: can't get everything, but you got to come to the table.

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Speaker 2: He's the master negotiator. Is it time for him to

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Speaker 2: come out and say, hey, guys, we got to do

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Speaker 2: our best. We can't get everything well.

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Speaker 3: I think he can play a major role in the

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Speaker 3: House right now by calling on the members, all the members,

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Speaker 3: moderate conservative, no matter where they're from, to sit down,

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Speaker 3: listen to each other and find a way to become

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Speaker 3: a team. Again. I mean, until they work out being

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Speaker 3: a team, they got nothing. And I think Trump's natural insight.

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Speaker 3: He didn't become this successful and run this many golf

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Speaker 3: courses and hotels and developments and office buildings without knowing

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Speaker 3: how to run teams. He didn't win the presidency in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen coming out of nowhere without knowing how to

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Speaker 3: build a team. And I think that having him say

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Speaker 3: not try to not try to make the decision, because

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Speaker 3: you can't. You cannot impose from the outside on freely

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Speaker 3: elected independent people. But what you can do is you

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Speaker 3: can inspire them to listen to each other and to

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Speaker 3: find a solution. And that's what has to happen.

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Speaker 2: So before I let you go, because there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of young folks that are getting involved in politics,

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Speaker 2: and we do have a lot of influencers out there,

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Speaker 2: and we call them influencers because they influence people and

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Speaker 2: they say a lot out there about politics. And I

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Speaker 2: would say that, you know, even in this office here,

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Speaker 2: from this little podcast, we want to hope that we

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Speaker 2: can get the message out to people. And you have

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Speaker 2: a book out called March to the Majority. So what

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Speaker 2: are those of us who are looking to March to

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Speaker 2: the Majority going to get from this book?

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Speaker 3: Well, we wrote the book both to describe the sixteen

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Speaker 3: years that we worked to create a majority, and took

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Speaker 3: sixteen years to describe the four years where we negotiated

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Speaker 3: very successfully with President Bill Clinton. Remember this wasn't just

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Speaker 3: about politics. We reformed welfare, going back to a work ethic.

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Speaker 3: We cut taxes, we cut regulations, We balanced the federal

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Speaker 3: budget for the only four years in your entire lifetime.

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Speaker 3: We did it because in a principled way, we built

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Speaker 3: a team that worked together, that knew what it was doing,

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Speaker 3: and as a result, we were able to get things done.

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Speaker 3: And I wrote March to the Majority in order for

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Speaker 3: people not just to have it as a history book,

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Speaker 3: but to have it as a playbook and think of

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Speaker 3: it as a cookbook for politics and government. I think

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Speaker 3: anybody who wants to know how to be effective in

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Speaker 3: governing and how to be effective in politics would find

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Speaker 3: March to the Majority a very very useful book in

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Speaker 3: getting those kind of messages out.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody should go read it because obviously

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Speaker 2: folks would like to have you back there. They know,

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Speaker 2: they trust you, they believe in you. You've put this

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Speaker 2: out there for us to learn, and mister speaker, I

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Speaker 2: just want to say, I appreciate having you here today.

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Speaker 2: It's been a wonderful conversation.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you very very much, and.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all for joining me and Speaker Nuke Gingridge today.

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Speaker 2: Have a blessed day.