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Speaker 4: If they've just existed.

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Speaker 3: Same way that I don't want, you know, I understand

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Speaker 5: also a part of this group too, of trans, not

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00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 5: of trans, but but a part of the people that

443
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 5: were pushing against these laws. Like I'm talking about, like

444
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 5: the group as a whole, they'll mogulize people within the.

445
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 6: Group that were pushing for these things.

446
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 5: Those people were pushing as hard as they could, but

447
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 5: there were also people outside of that group that don't

448
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 5: fit in any of these categories that were also pushing

449
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 5: for the same thing because.

450
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 4: They really, yeah, we wrong.

451
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm saying is I mean, they don't

452
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with this conversation, you know what

453
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: I mean, Like at this moment, like at least what

454
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 3: we were talking about. I see what you're saying now, though

455
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: I guess to me, I wouldn't even I wasn't making

456
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 3: that connection because those people, you know, I don't think

457
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: they have to deal with the consequences of what other

458
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: people go through, which is exactly the point, you know,

459
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: like I think something, I think something that kind of

460
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: lends itself to the point you're making. And let me

461
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 3: know if I'm because I'm just trying to understand. Let

462
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: me know if I'm not understanding the new tax law thing.

463
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: That's an example of white people that thought, well, that

464
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: shit'll be bad for black people, like this administration will

465
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: be bad for black people, it'll be bad for gays,

466
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: it'll be bad for trans people, it'll be bad for immigrants,

467
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: it'll be bad for them.

468
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 4: But I'm white. I should get by. I should be fine.

469
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: And then he passes like this tax bill and people

470
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 3: are gonna be like, wait a minute, that tax bill

471
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: doesn't say white money is different than black money. It

472
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: just takes everybody's money. Is that what you're trying to say?

473
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Speaker 4: Am I missing it.

474
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: Yes, and it's and it's one of those things where

475
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 5: and and maybe it's just my perspective because like I said,

476
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Speaker 5: I we're talking about trans but I'm just talking about

477
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 5: like people in general that were pushing for these issues.

478
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Speaker 6: I think that that's true. I think that overall, you have.

479
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 5: A percentage, and it might not even be a large percentage,

480
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 5: but a percentage that actually just see these things that

481
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 5: they were.

482
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 6: Pushing for eroding. And it's shocking to some people, not all,

483
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 6: but it's shocking to this group of privileged people that

484
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 6: the government really doesn't give a fuck about the thing

485
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 6: that you desire, and the thing that you're pushing for's behalf.

486
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like these people never really cared about

487
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: that shit though, So I.

488
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 4: Guess that's the difference, just the same way I won't.

489
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: I don't think white people are shocked when the government passed,

490
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 3: even liberal white people when the government passed some anti

491
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: black shit, they're not sitting around like.

492
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Speaker 4: I can't believe what's happening to America. You know what

493
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying.

494
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 3: I feel like they, even liberal white folks, we know

495
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: they are fucked up.

496
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Speaker 5: That's true, and it's it's one of those things where

497
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 5: I guess and it's sad, but my default is white

498
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 5: people gonna white on a lot of shit like so

499
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 5: it's one of those things go oh, you're just gonna

500
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 5: white white whatever white is.

501
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 6: That's that.

502
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: I just don't know how this became about I guess.

503
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: I just don't know how this topic became about them.

504
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: But yes, I agree that for the most part.

505
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 5: I mean, oh, how this topic came Oh, this topic

506
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 5: came by that because I was I was saying that

507
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 5: you said it was only nine months, and nine months

508
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 5: is not a lost a long.

509
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 6: Period of time.

510
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 5: And with the new people we have an office, my

511
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 5: thing was this one person may be the only person

512
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: to get this, yes you know and that, and I'm like, well,

513
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 5: that's fucked up because there's other people that should also

514
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 5: be getting this that may never have a chance because

515
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 5: it's this this small percentage of people who thought, well,

516
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 5: we crossed the finish line and they didn't want to

517
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 5: do no more work.

518
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I see your point now, and all right,

519
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: I'm misunderstand. I was only asking to understand. But I

520
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: see what you're saying.

521
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: Those people fuck it up for everybody. I see what

522
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: you're saying, right, the people.

523
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 6: Who who thought I have crossed the finish line, we

524
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 6: don't have to worry no more.

525
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 5: Through the confetti up in the air lists party now

526
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 5: that like oh shit, oh shit, Now we get ready,

527
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 5: like you said, revert and sometimes even go further back

528
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 5: than where we started from, because you want to take

529
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 5: the extra effort to go forward, because this modulized group

530
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 5: knew that he was going to be against them and

531
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: knew that this was the possibility, just like brown and

532
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: black people would. And the thing is the thing that

533
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: pisses a lot of these modulized groups off is when

534
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 5: you have these white people that wanted to come and

535
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 5: use your numbers for this, and when mogulized people go, well,

536
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 5: hey you got to go, we got to push, we

537
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 5: got to fight, a lot of times this groups resist,

538
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 5: and the racism and sexism of homophobia all of a

539
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 5: sudden shines within these people because they're called.

540
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 6: Out for not wanting to go further then they should.

541
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 5: Because marginalized people know that we can go back, They

542
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 5: know that it could get worse. They understand the government

543
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 5: doesn't care about them, but this group of people doesn't.

544
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: And that small percentage of people is a part of

545
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 5: the problem, and a lot of them are white privileged

546
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 5: people who came over because they said the other side

547
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 5: was so fucked if I couldn't support them, so let

548
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: me come over here to this modulized side. When a

549
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 5: lot of times they come and they quote unquote call

550
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 5: themselves helping, But the process of helping, you got to

551
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 5: know about this group of people, and you need to

552
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 5: learn about this group of people and what they stand

553
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 5: for and what they do, and get to know all

554
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: the different things they do. But instead you come over

555
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 5: and you want to run shit, and you won't tell

556
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: those group of people what to do, and you want

557
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 5: to to start this conflict that really doesn't.

558
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 4: Have to be there.

559
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they I mean, like I said, you're absolutely right,

560
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: they let a lot of people down, I think. But see,

561
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: I guess to me, I just don't think they're shocked,

562
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: you know, when you said they're kind of shocked that

563
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: this is happening, I don't think they're shocked at all.

564
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: I think they didn't give a fuck. And I think

565
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: a lot of people are like that, and not just

566
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: white people. There were just a lot of people that

567
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 3: Obama was a very fun He was an exceptional president

568
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: come out. You know, I'm not gonna argue over whether

569
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: orn that's perfect. No person's perfect. No one ever occupied

570
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: that office that was perfect, And I don't think anyone

571
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: occupied that office that was better, you know. But uh,

572
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: and the history books will be kind to him about that,

573
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: and especially after what white people did to elect the

574
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 3: worst place of all time. But what I find interesting

575
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: is I think, like a lot of black people, when

576
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: they're excellent at their job, people take shit for granted. Yes,

577
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: And one of the things they took for granted was

578
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: that the things that he either put in place with

579
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: very few supporters or by himself, even when he had

580
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: support from the American people, his part from his party

581
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: didn't get a lot of support. So a lot of

582
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: these things he put in they put into place, and

583
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: they didn't get sturdy foundations because one party wouldn't compromise

584
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: and the other party, you know, was weak, was scared.

585
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the erosion of people's rights, their humanity,

586
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean it's on a lot of people. You know,

587
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people just kind of either opted out

588
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: or went, you know, this isn't that big a deal,

589
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: or this is.

590
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: What we need or whatever.

591
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: But more importantly when I'm talking about that. You know,

592
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: we talked about forty percent with Australia. There's just a

593
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: lot of people that want this, Yes, they do. And

594
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: I think we skip over that a lot of people

595
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: don't want transgender people to serve in the military and

596
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: to be able to get surgery.

597
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: They don't quote unquote believe in that lifestyle and all

598
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: that shit.

599
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people like that, and they and

600
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: they're not going away, and they're not gonna letting them

601
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: win quote unquote is not going to.

602
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: Solve the problem.

603
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: But a lot of people thought on some weird ass

604
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: game theory type shit, that that's that would fix Americas,

605
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: just let the just let the fuck up people in.

606
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: It's like, no, you gotta constantly fight.

607
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's also one of those things where history

608
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: repeats itself when it comes to modilized.

609
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 6: Groups of people.

610
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 5: People ain't shit, So you have to pass laws and

611
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 5: punish people to force them even if they don't want

612
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 5: to to respect it. You know, I feel like that

613
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: the same way with this I feel about slavery. You know,

614
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 5: the only way was it bondashed, i mean, abolished, was.

615
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 6: That they had to pass laws. But the ad y'all

616
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 6: can't do this because they were always.

617
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: Gonna it wasn't It wasn't about passing lungs. They had

618
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: to kill some people. Yeah, it wasn't about passing lungs.

619
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: It was I mean laws. They was ignoring them laws.

620
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: That's why the Civil War started.

621
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 5: People.

622
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: It was like, I'm not doing that shit anyway. When

623
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: a fan confronts Rihanna about transgender Finity models, Rihanna is ready.

624
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 4: She got asked a question on what was it?

625
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: Was it Instagram or Twitter? I think it was Instagram,

626
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, she got asked a question about the lack

627
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: of inclusion of trans models in the otherwise inclusive campaign. Now,

628
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: to be fair, uh, every single beauty campaign can be

629
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: marked for not including somebody, every single one. And I've

630
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: seen people, you know, some honest people get protective other

631
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: ones they like, you know, I saw people talking about, well,

632
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: how come you don't.

633
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: Have like disabled models in the infinity of thinking.

634
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: People were like, well, how come y'all only put that

635
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: on her and y'all not going after these other brands,

636
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: And then there's all this in fighting and all the shit. Look,

637
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: with most things like this, you can shut the fuck

638
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: up let people get their point across. Maybe some good

639
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: or help from it, right, you know, maybe that's something

640
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: she wasn't thinking about that she'll come up with. Maybe

641
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: she has thought about it, and she's gonna give them

642
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: an answer, and then y'all can debate amongst yourselves, because

643
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: every time you make a choice, there's gonna be somebody

644
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: that fucks with you and somebody that don't. Anyway, in

645
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: this case, she was asked, you know, why don't you

646
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: have any trans models in your fenty beauty campaign for

647
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: your models, and Rihanna said, I've had the pleasure of

648
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: working with many gifted trans women throughout the years, but

649
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: I don't go around doing trans castings, just like I

650
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: don't do straight non trans women castings. I respect all women,

651
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: whether they're trans or not, is none of my business's Personally,

652
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: some trans women are more comfortable being open about it

653
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: than others, so I have to respect that. As a

654
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: woman myself, I don't think it's fair that a trans

655
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: woman or man be used as a convenient market into

656
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Too often do I see companies doing this to trans

657
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: and black women alike. They're always just that one spot

658
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: that the in the campaign for the token we look

659
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: mad diverse girl slash guy.

660
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Speaker 4: It's sad.

661
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Speaker 6: Come on, And that's the truth. It's one of the

662
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Speaker 6: things where she may have had it.

663
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Speaker 4: And she might not have known maybe. I mean, I

664
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: think if I think, like I said, there's two ways

665
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: to look at this.

666
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: On the one hand, it's cool that you thought about

667
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: it and said, look, I'm not gonna, like, you know,

668
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: try to have tokenism within my line.

669
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: I understand that. But there's also the other.

670
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: Point of view, which is that visibility matters, that representation matters,

671
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: and that that one trans person in each line or whatever,

672
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: it's still put in a putting money in a transperson's pocket.

673
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: It's still provided visibility to other trans people. It's still

674
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: being inclusive if.

675
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: You run the line, so you don't have to make

676
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: it just one spot. You could have had two or three.

677
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: You could have done a shoot with all trans models.

678
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: And but I, like I said, this is the cash

679
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: twenty two of it, because it just depends if you

680
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: like her or not. If I'm sure people that don't

681
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: like her are like, bitch, I.

682
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: Don't care about that.

683
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: You better so you ain't got no trans models, That's

684
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: all I heard, you know, And there's gonna be people like, well,

685
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: that's a great answer. She doesn't want to just use

686
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: peoples as tokens and and and and like mascots and

687
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: ship which they're not really about it. We've seen the

688
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: tokenism before, Like I've already forgot who the fucking line

689
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: was that had the woman who the trans woman who

690
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: they were promoting, like, oh, she's a black trans woman

691
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: we have in this she's modeling this campaign, and then

692
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: she spoke out against Charlottesville and they were like, fired,

693
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: she doesn't represent our views.

694
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: We don't want her. And it's like, oh, you want

695
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: the picture, you don't want the opinion. Come, you know,

696
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: I don't.

697
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a it's just not like I said,

698
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: it's not very simple. I just more appreciate that she

699
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: thought about.

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Speaker 10: It, right.

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00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: She wo wasn't caught off God like a lot of Yeah,

702
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: she answered the question herself. It wasn't a matter of

703
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: I don't see you, which I think a lot of

704
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: people get. You know, but uh, it's kind of and

705
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Lord forgive me for this comparison. I'm sorry, y'all, but

706
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: it's kind of like Leana Dunno when she said I

707
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: don't have black people on girls, because I don't know

708
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: shit about black people like that, and I don't really

709
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: want to write for them.

710
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: And because I don't, I didn't have black people in

711
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: my world like that that I was close.

712
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: To, so so I don't have them. And some people

713
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 3: was like, I don't give a fuck. Put a write

714
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: a white roll and put a black girl in it,

715
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 3: you know. And some people was like, yeah, fuck that shit,

716
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: stay away from us. We don't want to be attached

717
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: to your shitty worldview.

718
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Speaker 10: You know.

719
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: I could understand both sides of that, and I guess

720
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: it's not really for me to decide, but yeah, I

721
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: thought that was interesting that she at least thought about

722
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: it correct.

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Speaker 4: So Joy Read Who.

724
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: You Guys Know from MSNBC, she apologized for insensitive LGBT

725
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: blog post. She issued an apology on Sunday for a

726
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: series of blog posts nearly a decade ago, most critical

727
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: of former Governor Charlie crist of Florida, that have been

728
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: criticized as homophobic and anti gay.

729
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm kind of kind of shocked, you know, Joy

730
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: Reads is very savvy person.

731
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: That been around for so long decades. Seemed like a

732
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Speaker 3: very uh, you know, out Like I read the headline

733
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: was like what this note is my apology to all

734
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: who are disappointed by the content of blogs I wrote

735
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: a decade ago for which my choice of words in

736
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: tone of legitimately being criticized, where he said in a

737
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Speaker 3: statement shared with NBC News, which, like MSNBC, is owned

738
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Speaker 3: by NBC Universal. The blog posts were unearthed on Tuesday.

739
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Speaker 3: On Thursday by Twitter user at Jamie underscore Mass from

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Speaker 3: two thousand and seven to two thousand and nine at

741
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: Joy and Read. After the dozen homophobic posts, not only

742
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: attempting to out Charlie christ is gay, she attacked and

743
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: mocked him for being so. At Jamie underscore Mass wrote

744
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: in this first series first of a series of tweets

745
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: about Reid, the Twitter user noted Read repeatedly referred to

746
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: Chris as miss Charlie in her post and speculated that

747
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: his two thousand and eight marriage to a woman was

748
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 3: a fraud and part of a veep marketing strategy. During

749
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: the time she wrote those blog posts, Read was a

750
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Speaker 3: morning talk show hosts and the blogger covering Florida politics.

751
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Speaker 4: Among the frequent subjects of my post was then.

752
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: Governor Charlie cris And at the time of at the

753
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 3: time of conservative Republican whose positions on issues like gay

754
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Speaker 3: marriage and adoption by Saint sex couples in Florida's shared

755
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Speaker 3: headlines with Wily rumored reports that he was outing in

756
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Speaker 3: sexual orientation. At no time have I intentionally sought to

757
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Speaker 3: demeanor harn the LGBT community, which includes people whom I

758
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: deeply loved. My goal, in my handhanded way, was to

759
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: call out potential hypocrisy. Read added Chris, who served as

760
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: in Florida as governor from two thousand and seven twenty eleven,

761
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Speaker 3: supported a state constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage

762
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight. He later apologized for supporting

763
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Speaker 3: the amendment, telling What a Mark online and online LGBT

764
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 3: publication based in Orlando, I'm sorry I did that.

765
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: It was a mistake. I was wrong. Please forgive me. Now.

766
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: It's Reed who's seeking forgiveness for, as she puts it,

767
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: insensitive in tone, deaf and dumb comments. In addition to

768
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: friends and co workers and viewers, I deeply apologize the

769
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Speaker 3: Congressman christ who was a target of my thoughtlesseness, my

770
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: critique of an anti LGBT of anti LGBT positions he

771
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: once held but has since abandoned was legitimate in my view,

772
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: my means of critique and were not. She wrote, rereading

773
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: those old blog posts, I'm disappointed in myself. I apologize

774
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: to those who are also disappointed in me. Life can

775
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Speaker 3: be humbling, it often is. But I hope that you

776
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: know what my heart is and that I will always

777
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: strive to use my words for good. I know better,

778
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Speaker 3: I would do better, read wrote.

779
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that is bad.

780
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people, that's especially straight people.

781
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: We're privileged, a lot of us have gone through that.

782
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: And I remember when we started this show like that

783
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: was one of the things I've realized over time was like,

784
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I want to say about someone that

785
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 3: hates gay people that, oh, it's because you're secretly.

786
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 6: Gay, because that's not always true, right, which.

787
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: A lot of people throw out there, and I'm like,

788
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: but one, it kind of undermines bigotry because one, you

789
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: can just straight up be a biggot and know you

790
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: don't have to be. Two, it adds to this like

791
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: stigma that all gay people hate themselves and secretly you know,

792
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: if you get too anti like you're you're also gay.

793
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 3: And then three it's almost like insulting somebody with the insult,

794
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: it's still homophobic, right, Like, Oh, you just feel that

795
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 3: way because you gay. And I'm only saying that to

796
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Speaker 3: you because I know you'll be disturbed by the idea

797
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: of being gay or being accused of being gay, because

798
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: being gay is bad and we're now associating with badness.

799
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I can understand that.

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Speaker 4: You know, she's been around for a long time. I

801
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: think she'll be fine.

802
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, nobody gets counseled, and I will forever

803
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 5: say that nobody gets counseled. Everybody just remorphs, reforms and

804
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 5: coming back in a different form.

805
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

806
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't know who this you know user is, or

807
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: you know what the motivations they have. But I mean

808
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: she apologized, which you know, when somebody apologizes, I don't

809
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: even understand why people would cake for them, you know.

810
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: And then there's also just the double side of the

811
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: other side of this. It look, Joy Reid is a

812
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: unique talent and all that stuff, but everybody's also replaceable.

813
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: So if enough of a grounds for what happens and

814
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: they're like we getting her off the air, she'll be gone,

815
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: you know. If if it's that thing, I think a

816
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: lot of the stuff that's coming out is going to

817
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: have a normalizing effect, though, because people have almost gotten

818
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: so high and mighty on being woke and being acting

819
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: like they're perfect and whatever. And I think a lot

820
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: of people are gonna come out as flawed because receipts

821
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: are out here forever with this internet shit, and you know,

822
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: anytime the spotlight is on somebody, you're gonna see their imperfections.

823
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: You're gonna see where they've grown, You're gonna see where

824
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Speaker 3: they've stumbled.

825
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Speaker 4: And all that type of shit. And at some point

826
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Speaker 4: people don't.

827
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Speaker 6: Realize is everybody everybody.

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Speaker 3: You know, as long as we keep treating shit like

829
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Speaker 3: the Confederate statues where everyone kind of gets to be

830
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: high and mighty for that day, then that, I mean,

831
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 3: that's the power that people covet.

832
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: That's the power that people It makes us feel.

833
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: Strong to be like I caught you being wrong, because

834
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: we would never shine that light on ourselves and we

835
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: would never want other people to like get like to

836
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: elevate that to be like, oh, I found where you

837
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: said something five years ago.

838
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Speaker 4: You know, if you bring that up, people are like that,

839
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: we ain't talking about me right now, you know.

840
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: So it's you know, I think people feel very strongly

841
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: about something like this, but I bet you this will

842
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 3: be a blipping on radar. You wait seventy two hours

843
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: and it won't even matter, mostly because people don't care

844
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: that much. You know, we're we're like, like I said,

845
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: we're not gonna get it for black shit, and we're

846
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: probably not gonna get it for homophobica shit either.

847
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: Right now, it's if you harassed.

848
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: Women or mean towards women or something, people are kind

849
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 3: of getting you out the paint. But uh, maybe not

850
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 3: mean towards women. If you harassed women, they're getting you

851
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: out of the paint. If you touch women something like that. Uh,

852
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: but I think that you gotta get what it gets

853
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: good because society pretty much bends back towards and we're

854
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: not gonna do shit about this.

855
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the controlled out delete and so many people going, goddamn,

856
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: it's been you know, why do people keep coming out

857
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 5: Because the second that quote unquote trickles or slows down,

858
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: the world is designed to control all delete and go

859
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: back to normal. And normal is just not believing nobody.

860
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: Normal is just letting these men thrive or whoever or

861
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 5: whoever is committed thrive. You know, normal is pushing up

862
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 5: unneath the radar. Normal is writing shit in your contract.

863
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 5: It says that you know you, you know, we will

864
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 5: pay for your fuck ups. That's what the fuck normally is.

865
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 5: And it will go back to normal because people have

866
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 5: the capacity to only deal with so much.

867
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 6: And you know, it's one of those things where.

868
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 5: A lot of people are getting quote unquote one down

869
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 5: and where and shit like that, And a lot of

870
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 5: times it's people who actually don't have a dog in

871
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 5: the fight. It's men a lot of times since iy

872
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 5: as whole, but a lot of times it's men.

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Speaker 6: God, God damn. Another woman, another woman, another woman, Oh

874
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: my god.

875
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 5: And it's one of those things where to be told

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Speaker 5: for a lot of men it is I don't want

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 5: to say shocking. It's overwhelming, particularly if you're a man

878
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: that cares, particularly if you're a man that actually loves.

879
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 4: You know, women.

880
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think it is as a man. I'll

881
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: tell you right now, it ain't. I speakly, it's not.

882
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: It's not shocking or over women for men. Men are

883
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: just centering themselves as usual.

884
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: Okay, God, you know, folks.

885
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: Bad I'm telling you just as a man, none of

886
00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: this is shocking to us.

887
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 5: Us.

888
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 4: We live in it. No one protects us from it.

889
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: In the locker room. We hear it when we hang

890
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 4: out with other friends.

891
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 5: We know, like.

892
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: That when when you see men saying that shit, it's

893
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: really just us putting ourselves back at the center of

894
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: the argument and being like, but what about me now?

895
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm scared to even talk to a woman,

896
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: or it's just too much and I'm getting overwhelmed, Like

897
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: what you talking about?

898
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 4: It was twenty five men, you know what I mean.

899
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: Like it's even with this joy read shit, like if

900
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: people go, well, you know, I wasn't woke five years

901
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: ago and this, you know, and this makes me uncomfortable.

902
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: We just coming for everybody, I mean one, if we

903
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: come for everybody, maybe it'll balance out. Maybe we kind

904
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: of need a reckoning for everybody to get their moment

905
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: of you know, because people get high and mighty.

906
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: There is no grace, there is no forgiveness, There is no.

907
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 6: Nobody else.

908
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe if people see some of their favorite people

909
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: get kind of poored to the side, they'll be like,

910
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: you know what it Therefore the grace of God go out,

911
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: and maybe I can calm down a little bit too.

912
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 4: But but then also just there's this.

913
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: This this way of being like but it's really the

914
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: story is about me, Like, this story isn't really about

915
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 3: Joy Reid.

916
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: It's not really even about uh Christ, you know who.

917
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: I mean, he may feel personally insulted, but I mean

918
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: he literally politically try to destroy gay people's lives. So

919
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: it's you know, everyone's gonna be looking at that with

920
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: a grain of salt. Right, It's not about straight people

921
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: that feel a certain way about it. It's really about

922
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: how to LGBTQ people feel about Joy Reid after this correct,

923
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: you know, it's about how women feel about you know,

924
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: these men after some of their comments come out and

925
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 3: shit like that. It's about that, you know, and that's

926
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: really what determines what will happen for everything else. Like

927
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: I don't I mean, I haven't really been in the

928
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: circle to see how people felt about it.

929
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: I do feel like people seem to be understanding from

930
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 4: what I've seen, Like, people don't seem to.

931
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: Be like, you know, get off the air or whatever

932
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: yet at least that I've seen, right that I've seen,

933
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: maybe they are like that, Okay, but it seems that

934
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: she ones, you stand up about it. She apologized, and

935
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: people seem to have been like that was a long

936
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: time ago and they're moving on.

937
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: Some people are gonna want to promote like we should

938
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: drag her because but I told you that's a community thing.

939
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: That's fine in your flock. A lot of people that

940
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 4: brand is a drag.

941
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: You can't really brand like no offense to them, You

942
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 3: can't really take them that seriously because they they're gonna

943
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: do that to everybody no matter what, because they need

944
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 3: content every day that they wake up. But when society

945
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: in general decides we're fed up with something like the

946
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: me too thing, that's when you see people like get

947
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: gone career wise, still think they'll be back, but that's

948
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 3: when you see people have to pay consequences. I haven't

949
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: seen that so far with joy Reed, so we'll see.

950
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 6: I don't know, and I was saying that for some men.

951
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 5: I do believe that for some of it it can

952
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 5: be overwhelming because you're hearing a lot of this shit,

953
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 5: Like men know that this shit exists.

954
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: They do.

955
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they don't know, but I think seeing

956
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: it and the reality of it for some men is

957
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 5: seeking in.

958
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: They are just.

959
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: I'm not.

960
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to.

961
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: I'm not listen. I'm telling you as a man with

962
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: all dude like respect.

963
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 6: Okay, I know I don't have a penis.

964
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: No, they're just putting their fragile ass feelings in front

965
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 3: of you, and they're what they are feeling is trepidation

966
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: that this ship that they've done, or the ship that

967
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: they've tolerated, or the ship that they've encouraged, could one

968
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: day come back to haunt them.

969
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 4: That's it. Ain't no shock, ain't no shock. I know,

970
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 4: like I'm a man, you know, at least I assist that.

971
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 11: Man.

972
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: I can't speak for other people experience, but if you've

973
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: been in a room with me and you deal with this.

974
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 4: I have a person.

975
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: There's a dude on my Facebook account that's a friend

976
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: of my father, my brother. I mean, we played basketball.

977
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: Not I wouldn't say a friend acquaintance. You know what

978
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: this motherfucker sends me all day on instant message titties, porn.

979
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 4: I don't. We don't talk. We never talk.

980
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: He never asked me how my day is, he asked

981
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: me what I'm doing. He ain't even ask me about

982
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: when I play ball.

983
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: Men are just like that.

984
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 3: You know, I don't even respond to these messages, by

985
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: the way, I just look at another one of these

986
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: and I click off of it and go do my

987
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: fucking business, Like I don't even know what I'm supposed

988
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: to send them back. Yeah, bro jacking off to this

989
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: right now, thanks, dude, Wait to look out, got a

990
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 3: penis in my hand, Like I don't.

991
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know what he's sending that for.

992
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 5: You're probably not the only person he's But.

993
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: That's how men are.

994
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: We tolerate that, dude the same way we tolerate every

995
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: other you know, dude. You know, And that's and to

996
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: be honest, that's a that's a mild thing.

997
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: That's not like to me. That's not even offensive to me.

998
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not I mean, what am I get.

999
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get offended if you send me some

1000
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: titties or whatever. That's just not He hasn't seen anything

1001
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: like homophobic or whatever. But you know, it's obviously levels

1002
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: to of misogyny within there.

1003
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: But I watched Born. I can't even really say that.

1004
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 4: I just wouldn't send it to people.

1005
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: But the point, the point being, like that's just part

1006
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: of having a dick you're inducted into this fraternity that

1007
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: whether you want to be or not correct, you know,

1008
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: And so a lot of these dudes, I wouldn't be

1009
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: shocked if something came out about him. It's like, you know,

1010
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: he was touching women at work, I'd be like, I mean, nigga,

1011
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: did seem pretty preoccupied.

1012
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know.

1013
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: I just like to I think for a lot of

1014
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: men are putting on this act like I'm so shocked,

1015
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: But you know, the only thing I get shocked by

1016
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: is some of the levels motherfuckers go to.

1017
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 6: Like I was shocked.

1018
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: I was shocked at Matt Lawer's desk button, Like I

1019
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 3: was shocked at that, But I'm not shocked at Matt

1020
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: Lower being a creep.

1021
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: I don't you know.

1022
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 3: I told somebody else on Facebook page and I didn't

1023
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: mean it insultingly, but he was like, I'm not surprised.

1024
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: Matt law was like this, and I was like, what

1025
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: does that mean? It was like he just seeing kind

1026
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: of creepy. I was like, oh yeah, he was like, wow,

1027
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: you trying. I was like, I guess, I said. I said,

1028
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: I'm never surprised though, and he was like, what do

1029
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: you mean by that? I was like, Dude, I wouldn't

1030
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 3: be surprised if it was you. You know, I can't, like,

1031
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: I can't afford surprise anymore. The default is motherfuckers are

1032
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: doing shit when they not around me that I'll never know,

1033
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: And when it comes up, I have to sit back

1034
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: and be like, I didn't know that, and I have

1035
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: to just look back and be like, I'm not going

1036
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: to defend this person.

1037
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1038
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: You can only hope that they didn't, but I'm not

1039
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: putting that out in the public space. Yeah, you know,

1040
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: so that's that's the end of it, you know, But

1041
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: but that's the But that's the point though, like you

1042
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: just kind of you're always around this.

1043
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: That's just part of being a man. I don't think.

1044
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: I think women know how fucked up men are from

1045
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: another angle, which is men act differently when they're not

1046
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: around men, and that's when especially abusive men, you know,

1047
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: will do certain shit to women that I would never see,

1048
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't know, like, well, I didn't know dude

1049
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: also was out here grabbing people's titties. You know, I

1050
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: wouldn't know that that part because he may never do

1051
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: something like that around me, particularly, but he may do

1052
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: that at his job, he may do that in his

1053
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: private life, right, But as far as just like men

1054
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 3: kind of being scummy and shit, that's that's normal.

1055
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: All men know this. All men know this.

1056
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: Ask him about having a daughter, ask him about dating,

1057
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: ask him about women having male friends. Men already think

1058
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: men are trash. Correct, So it's not even a matter

1059
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: of I'm so shocked, Like, don't fall off of that.

1060
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: Nobody's that shocked.

1061
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. And I think.

1062
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 5: The older I've gotten, the more I've grown. And I

1063
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 5: used to be one of the people. Like I said,

1064
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 5: we eventually decided not to have any children at all.

1065
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 5: But it was a pointing period of time where, you know,

1066
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 5: having children, I was like, well, you know, impossibility.

1067
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 6: It may come. And I was the type of a

1068
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 6: person that was like, I don't want any girls, like

1069
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 6: I literally say.

1070
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 5: I was like girls, I'm good and people was that why?

1071
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: I was like, because I'm a woman, and I know

1072
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 5: what the fuck we got to deal with and it

1073
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 5: ain't pleasant.

1074
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: You know, it's a lot of work.

1075
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 6: It's a lot of work to race boys too. Don't

1076
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 6: get me wrong.

1077
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: If you raised boys, you're gonna have to raise them

1078
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 3: to not be rapist and shit, I'm more worried about

1079
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: raising a boy who comes home having done some some

1080
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: fucked up shit, because you know, you just assume he

1081
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: got the good lessons at home when they didn't.

1082
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 4: You know, that's what's happening with a lot of these boys.

1083
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1084
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: I was reading the article that we're so off topic anyway,

1085
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 3: I was reading an article today that was about a

1086
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: high school football team that had a crew, like a

1087
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: group of boys.

1088
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: On the called the rape crew.

1089
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 6: What.

1090
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they were known for like sexual assault women.

1091
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: By the way, that's not that sports culture is rape

1092
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 3: culture in this country, especially football culture. But yeah, like

1093
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: somebody didn't teach those boys and what to do right,

1094
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: right like that? Like that's a you know, I think

1095
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: everyone's so people see themselves as protecting their daughters and

1096
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: and trying to discourage their sons from being bad. That's

1097
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 3: how people see it, right, And I don't. I mean,

1098
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to fall into that mentality, right And

1099
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 3: you know, so if we would have raised a daughter,

1100
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't be I mean the world's fucked up,

1101
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't be Like to me, it would be

1102
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: I I I would I would welcome that opportunity, like

1103
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: I would welcome that challenge as opposed to even you know,

1104
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: and raising the Sun still like welcome that challenge as well.

1105
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: But it's just two different types of challenges. And you know,

1106
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: women do go through a lot of stuff. But you know,

1107
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: we need women women are strong as fuck as as well.

1108
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 3: We need to be protective of our children as well.

1109
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: On both sides of these things, I feel like we

1110
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: kind of afford boys a different level of protection, you know,

1111
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: like Michelle Obama said, stop baby and your sons, Like

1112
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: we make our daughters grow up, we make them be tough.

1113
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: We we you know, we we expect certain behaviors.

1114
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: Out of them. We don't do it to boys. So yeah,

1115
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just be a different type of challenge.

1116
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 6: Correct.

1117
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 5: And I've grown and I've matured, and I can truly

1118
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 5: say I was the type of person like to me,

1119
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: I was the type of person where I was like

1120
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 5: that would like that would would have literally scared me

1121
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 5: to death at one period of time.

1122
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 6: Now I don't think it would be a problem. Like

1123
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 6: I was like cool boy girl read on, A kid

1124
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 6: is a kid. I love a child.

1125
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 4: And now I think Once you get older, you mature.

1126
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 5: And I think now I'm to the point where if

1127
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 5: I had a girl, I would show her and teach

1128
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 5: her things that.

1129
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 6: I was never taught.

1130
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 5: It would give me an opportunity to take all the

1131
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 5: knowledge and all the wisdom and all the things that

1132
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 5: I've learned and instilled those into her and help her,

1133
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 5: you know, kind of guide her through life and help

1134
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 5: her not make some of the same mistakes and help

1135
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 5: her be better than me. Help her, you know, do things,

1136
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 5: help her, you know, break seilings and things like that,

1137
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 5: you know, And I know that for me, And also

1138
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 5: I think that I feel this the way I do

1139
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 5: now is because of Laila.

1140
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 7: You know.

1141
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 5: I think watching Leila grow, watching her stages, watching her

1142
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: go through life, it helped me.

1143
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 6: Have a more foundation in my womanhood that I never

1144
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 6: had before. When I was younger. Yeah, I was petrified,

1145
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 6: and I was, you know some of the people that

1146
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 6: so many people ya corn unquotetes. I was like, don't

1147
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 6: want no girls can't deal with that. No, no, no, no,

1148
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 6: I like that to me, that would have been one

1149
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 6: of the most frightening things ever.

1150
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 5: And I know I'm a woman, but it was like

1151
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 5: I just didn't want to deal with quote unquote the emotional.

1152
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 6: Baggage that came with women.

1153
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 5: Now that boys don't have emotional baggage because they're human

1154
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 5: beings too, but it was one of those things. But

1155
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 5: it's not fair, you know, And a lot of people

1156
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 5: have that mentality when it comes to girls because they

1157
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 5: cause quote unquot.

1158
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: So then would you want to raise a white kid

1159
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 3: so they wouldn't have to deal with racism either?

1160
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: Like that?

1161
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 6: That wouldn't bother me, not not yea, Honestly, we also don't.

1162
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't know what your child's gender is

1163
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: necessarily correct and just because then you have a male

1164
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 3: presenting a female presenting child that doesn't necessarily even dictate

1165
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, what their gender is. So and then you know,

1166
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 3: all this shit is still evolving, correct as far as

1167
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: I understand.

1168
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 5: It, right, And that was before I got introduced to

1169
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: the things I know now, right, You know, this is

1170
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 5: before I knew anything about LGBTQ. You know all those

1171
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 5: I didn't know what those words are, like a lot

1172
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 5: of the uh evolving of sex and sexuality and all

1173
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 5: these definitions. For me, it's new and because of social media,

1174
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 5: and I still on top of social media, and I

1175
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 5: will try to say I'm ignorant to a lot of stuff.

1176
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 5: I'm constantly learning, constantly growing, constantly extending my vocabulary, constantly

1177
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 5: learning how to open up my heart and having compassion

1178
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 5: and having patience, you knowing things like that when I

1179
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 5: know a lot of people my.

1180
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 6: Age just shut that shit down with it ain't what I'm.

1181
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 5: Used to, so fuck it, you know, And you could

1182
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 5: be a barrier and a hindrance sometimes even to your

1183
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 5: own children, because like you say, you.

1184
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 6: Don't know what set to your children is gonna be.

1185
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 5: You just see how they're born and you just assume

1186
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 5: that's what they're going to be their whole lives, and

1187
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 5: that's not so. So now I know that I'm a

1188
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 5: more evolved person than I was before, and I think for.

1189
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 6: Me, I've grown a lot.

1190
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 5: And it's one of those things where, like you say,

1191
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 5: I look back then and I would be like, wow,

1192
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: very ignorant. But I know I'm not the only ignorant person.

1193
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: I know that there's a lot of people that has

1194
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 5: grown and evolved listening to us, reading, catching up and

1195
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 5: things like that. And I think that with Jordan Reed,

1196
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 5: like everybody else, if most people went back through their

1197
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 5: Facebook history, their Twitter history, and shit that they sit online,

1198
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 5: you will find something so fucked up in the offensive

1199
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 5: that you said just out of ignorance.

1200
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all the stuff you just said. I

1201
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 3: also wonder how much of it is about people projecting.

1202
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: Like I said, as long as it's social media is

1203
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: not really good barometer for a lot of stuff, because

1204
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: I don't think the average person that views her show

1205
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: or reads that article that fucks with her, whether they

1206
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: be gay or not, is probably gonna be like, cancel

1207
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 3: this bitch, I hate her, you know, Like the average

1208
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: person that you know, if they are a fan of hers,

1209
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: is probably just like glad she owned up and apologized.

1210
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 3: The same thing happened with Al Franking. Probably the average

1211
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: person as a fan of his is probably like, oh,

1212
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 3: I appreciate him apologizing. If more shit comes out, it'll change,

1213
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: same thing happen with Al Franking. If if she were

1214
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: to still hold these views, things would change. If her

1215
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: job still decides we don't want to deal with this.

1216
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: You gonna that, you know, like anybody can get can

1217
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: get it. At the same time, she'll probably be fine,

1218
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: you know. All that being said, like I think everyone

1219
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: kind of makes it about their feelings or whatever. But

1220
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: I think the same way that women are kind of

1221
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: used to men being disappointing, I'm sure LGBTQ people are

1222
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: used to straight people, sis people being disappointing as well, right,

1223
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know that this is so shocking to

1224
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: for them as much as you know, like, it'll be

1225
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: interesting to see what the response is because I think

1226
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: a lot of times, even with like black shit, you

1227
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: find out like, you know, so and so did some

1228
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: racist shit back in the day, and Black people are like, okay,

1229
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Eminem still at the BT Awards. Yes,

1230
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: we all heard that song he made with he was sixteen.

1231
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: It broke up with that girl. Yep, we heard it.

1232
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: And some black people will never let it go and

1233
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: received receipts and all that shit. But the vast majority

1234
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: of us are gonna be like, yes, we're not shocked

1235
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: that a white dude did some racist shit.

1236
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: Can he still rap?

1237
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: That's all I care about, you know, And that's kind

1238
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: of that's kind of what I think is gonna end

1239
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: up happening here. Royal Caribbean named the best place to

1240
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: work for LGBTQ equality by the Human Rights Council.

1241
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 6: That's the cruise ship.

1242
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: It's the second year in a row that Royal Caribbean

1243
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: earned this honor at the making the first last year

1244
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: the list last year as well. Last year HRC, the

1245
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: Human Rights Council, one of the oldest gay and lesbian

1246
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: political action commits committees in the US, added a requirement

1247
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: for inclusion as a top ranking company on the fifteen

1248
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: year old Index, a global non discrimination policy or code

1249
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: of conduct that specifically prohibit prohibits discrimination on the basis

1250
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: of sexual orientation and gender identity, and meetings all requirements.

1251
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 3: RCL is among six hundred and nine major American businesses

1252
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: earning top scores on the Index, a national benchmarking survey

1253
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: and report on corporate policies and practices related to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender,

1254
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 3: and queer workplace equality. Is thrilling, of course, as Adam M. Goldstein,

1255
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: r CL's president and COO, explaining, we actually have an

1256
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: opportunity as a company to be understood as one of

1257
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 3: the most welcoming employers anywhere in any industry.

1258
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 4: And I think we should be.

1259
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 3: You have guests coming from absolutely everywhere. You got a

1260
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 3: crew coming absolutely from ever, absolutely everywhere. You got ships

1261
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: going absolutely everywhere, and really the only way to make

1262
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 3: an environment like that work well is that you.

1263
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 4: Have to be welcoming to everyone. If we're going to

1264
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 4: do that on the ships, then clearly.

1265
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: We also need to do that in our land based

1266
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 3: facilities because it all has to be consistent, it has

1267
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: to tie together here at our headquarters campus. Obviously, this

1268
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: is the location from which we direct our overall global effort.

1269
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: And if we want to have that type of situation

1270
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: out in the sea, then we need to be sure

1271
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: that we are that type of situation here at the headquarters.

1272
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 4: Good for them, man, some good news. Finally, let me

1273
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 4: move home before we get to mold people.

1274
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 6: Fucking I do appreciate it.

1275
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 5: And when you're dealing with the cruises, you have people

1276
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 5: from all walks, black and rent like the whole cruises

1277
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 5: out and shit like that, from all walks of life

1278
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 5: all sit you do you better be opening to everybody.

1279
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: You think that, man, But Bigger Tree does not give

1280
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: a fuck about money. The people people Biggotree fuck up

1281
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: their pocketbooks every single day of their life. All right, Uh,

1282
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: let's move on.

1283
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 4: We're just fucking with those black people. Were just fucking

1284
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: with those blacks. We're just fucking with fucking with black people.

1285
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: That's right, guys. Time to play the game that we

1286
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: all hate to play. It's fucking with black people.

1287
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 4: The game. We go all around the globe.

1288
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: We read articles and we give them scores from zero

1289
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: t one hundred, and it was twenty five for how

1290
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 3: much we feel fucked with this black people.

1291
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 4: Today's contestants, everybody all right?

1292
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 3: Eighteen arsonist who torched his girlfriend's house tried to blame

1293
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 3: a random black guy for his crimes.

1294
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 4: White, I guess the race. It's fucking with black people.

1295
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 3: A teenage arsenist who set fired to his girlfriend's home.

1296
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: By the way, you're lucky, it's not. I guess the race,

1297
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: because you're wrong. Who sat who set fire to his

1298
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 3: girlfriend's home? Tried to pen to blame on someone he

1299
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: identified as a random black guy when he was confronted

1300
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: by police.

1301
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 6: You know, the skeitch.

1302
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: He didn't even try it.

1303
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: He didn't even try to come up with a name

1304
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: or description, Just a random black guys.

1305
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: Where did he go? Who the black guy who did

1306
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 4: this crime?

1307
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 6: Black guy Number one.

1308
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 4: Nineteen year old Jose Bernardo Rojas.

1309
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 6: Oh, somebody else mazitalized.

1310
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: Jose Bernardo Rosas Madrigal set fire to his girlfriend's house

1311
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 3: and city, Florida, last month, and then told police that

1312
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 3: a random black guy had set the fire instead. Police

1313
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: quickly figured out he was lying, however, after seeing his

1314
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: phone Google search history, including the search for how to

1315
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: burn a brick house down?

1316
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 6: Google will tell on your ass, won't it.

1317
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 4: He ain't want to be no mysteries.

1318
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 6: He Google like, yeah, they did it.

1319
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 7: This is what.

1320
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 6: This is what. This is their search history.

1321
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: He additionally posted threatening messages to his girlfriend on Snapchat

1322
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: before a house was set on fire. Polk County Sheriff's

1323
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: office says they were also included in because Magical drew.

1324
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 4: The shape of a heart with a lighter.

1325
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: On the.

1326
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 6: Oh how did you do that?

1327
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 4: On the fence that was located near a girlfriend's bedroom window.

1328
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 6: Holy shit.

1329
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: He then let the house yard on fire, although the

1330
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: three family members who were in the house at the

1331
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: time quickly noticed the fire and extinguished it. We were

1332
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: very lucky, Jane Scott, the father of Magical's girlfriend, told

1333
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: Daily Beasts, we caught it in time for it blew up.

1334
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 5: You know.

1335
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 4: I faces.

1336
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: Three counts were attempted first degree murder along with one

1337
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: count of first degree arson.

1338
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 6: Go all the way to jail man.

1339
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: Being trash once again? Uh, Zeo T one hundred, Cairn

1340
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 4: a hundred. I give him fifty because that random black

1341
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 4: guy is just not good enough.

1342
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 6: Step up your ra system.

1343
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 4: You gotta at least have a black guy in mine,

1344
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 4: at least what he looked like.

1345
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 5: Come on, yeah, I'm giving you one hundred because you

1346
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 5: another marginalized person. Mm hmm, somebody way, but like, yeah,

1347
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 5: some Latino. They'd have had ices at your front door.

1348
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 4: Maybe he's king to Ashley Graham.

1349
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 6: Ah ah, even if you're from America, they went and

1350
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 6: gave them for they would like send him now.

1351
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

1352
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: Carolyn hacks Rights in Mercurynews dot Com. I'm in game

1353
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 4: a raging racism. But otherwise he's great.

1354
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 6: Oh okay, all right, you say so.

1355
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: Other than that one thing.

1356
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 6: I don't believe you.

1357
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 4: I won't get into it. But other than you know

1358
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 4: that that you know, other than that great God, just

1359
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 4: a pleasure to be around. I am engaged, Dear Carolyn.

1360
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 3: I am engaged to a great guy with many wonderful qualities,

1361
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward to spend the rest of my

1362
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: life with him, But he is prejudiced against one specific.

1363
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 4: Race, which also happens to be the race of several.

1364
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 3: Of my ex boyfriends. He works in law enforcements, so

1365
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 3: part of me wants to attribute the racism to the

1366
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 3: fact that he has seen this particular race do many

1367
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: horrible things that I haven't. This seems like a pretty

1368
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 3: trivial thing. We all have some sort of bias of prejudice.

1369
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: But it's getting to the point where I can't even

1370
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: talk to a member of this race. The work means

1371
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: a boy the work related project without my fiance turned

1372
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: into a huge fight and accusing me of trying to

1373
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 3: be a liaison for all blank people.

1374
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 4: He doesn't think he's.

1375
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: Doing anything wrong back or that you know, he doesn't

1376
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: think he's doing anything wrong, And I end up being

1377
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: the one to apologize, trying to fix things even though

1378
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm doing anything wrong either.

1379
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 6: There ain't no dicker for all this, honey. There's a

1380
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 6: lot of white men you can live that ain't racist.

1381
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 4: Are there?

1382
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 6: Well? It is a small I mean it's a small pond.

1383
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 6: I mean within that pond you might can pick one

1384
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 6: of them out.

1385
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 5: I mean but goddamn police, they won't be no blak racism.

1386
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I mean, they won't throw it

1387
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 5: in your face. I mean, come on, you got to

1388
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 5: defend and.

1389
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 4: Shit, I'm just making jokes that was just too good

1390
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 4: to pass up.

1391
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 6: I said it up, you knock it out the park yep.

1392
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, he doesn't think that he's doing anything wrong,

1393
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: and I end up being the one to apologize to

1394
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: try to fix things even though I don't think I'm

1395
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: doing anything wrong.

1396
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna make the slaps somebody.

1397
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: The amount of time energy we have spent arguing about

1398
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: his race about race is downright embarrassing. I know you

1399
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: can't change anyone, you can only change yourself. But short

1400
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: of move into a commune in Massachusetts, I'm not sure.

1401
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 4: What I can do leave his ass? Why would you

1402
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 4: have to move?

1403
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: See, this will happen when you already concede you will

1404
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: be dating this alright, motherfuckers. This seems like such a

1405
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 3: small thing to break up over, oh is it? But

1406
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: also seems like something I can't argue about for the

1407
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: rest of my life, which.

1408
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 5: Means two things that you're gonna leave it, You're gonna

1409
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 5: give in and y'all both just gonna be racist and

1410
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 5: happy like that's what's gonna happen. Like it's one of

1411
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 5: those things where a lot of white people, white women

1412
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 5: compromise and they know their husband's races, they know they're problematic,

1413
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 5: but they continue to be there.

1414
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 6: But yet I'm supposed to look at you and respect

1415
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 6: you in your opinion.

1416
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 4: For the record, somebody was like they racist in Massachusetts too.

1417
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: Yet when she say moved to a small commune in Massachusetts,

1418
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: what she's really saying is moved with her and her

1419
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 3: fiance to a place where there's no black people.

1420
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 4: She's not talking about.

1421
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 3: She's not saying because then I'll be able to find

1422
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: someone who's not racist. That's not what she's saying. She's saying,

1423
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: then I'll be able to find a place where, you know,

1424
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: his racism can won't be effective because it's only white

1425
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: people around us, which is which is sad. Yeah, all

1426
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 3: of some dick, come on all of us, some dick

1427
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: like dick girl on trees out here, man, what are

1428
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 3: you doing?

1429
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 6: Come on, you slap somebody.

1430
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: And she said it sounds like she used to date

1431
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: black men with cells. Listen, there are so many things

1432
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 3: in this, and it's so many things to examining this

1433
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 3: right used the exclusively used to date a lot of

1434
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 3: black men, possible.

1435
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 4: I'm assuming black for this.

1436
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden you're dating a person

1437
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 3: that hates their humanity.

1438
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 4: What were you in it for that in the first place?

1439
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 4: And how can you easily make that switch? Mhm? That's sad.

1440
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 5: Like I said, it makes me question you that you

1441
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 5: think this is all right? Did you think this is okay?

1442
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 5: That you think if we just moved from but white folks,

1443
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 5: you'll be He'll be all right. No, this gums to

1444
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 5: tell you. At the end of the day, you're gonna

1445
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 5: compromise because he's not compromising. One of y'all gonna compromise

1446
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 5: and all SA.

1447
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 6: It will be you if you don't leave.

1448
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you, y'all. I personally disagree. I think y'all should

1449
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 4: stay together. Y'all belong together. You're racist too, it's all

1450
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 4: right too.

1451
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 3: You got a right, dear Frannie, to get the to

1452
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: get the obvious advice on this ship, Like nigga, you

1453
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 3: part of the problem. Just go make pro alright, babies

1454
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: and move to that commune and stay away from the

1455
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 3: rest of humanity.

1456
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 4: Right, and Iowa anyway one hundred for me.

1457
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 3: An Iowa radio announces racist commentary at high school basketball

1458
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: game goes viral.

1459
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 4: Of course it did.

1460
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 5: We've been hearing this a lot lately, like you about

1461
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 5: several several stories about people making an announcements that the

1462
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 5: Friday night high school football games fucking it up for everybody.

1463
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 4: One of the things that sparked this was Colin Kaepernick's protests.

1464
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 3: Correct, a lot of white people start saying how they

1465
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 3: really feel about these black kids in high school that

1466
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 3: they taking knee and ship, And then the other thing

1467
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: is just it's historically, you know, as I said to

1468
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: my piece about Colin Kaepernick on medium, white people have

1469
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: always felt like they were tolerating black people and letting

1470
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 3: and letting them entertain them. So yeah, so these announcements

1471
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 3: and white fans in general kind of had this attitude about.

1472
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 4: These kids in the first place to even to even

1473
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 4: feel that way, you know, like videos freezing.

1474
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 3: Uh, let's see if I can read his comments over

1475
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: m I'll positive and see if I can just read them.

1476
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

1477
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 4: So yeah it was him.

1478
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: Uh and he was officiating a game, I mean, announcing

1479
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 3: the game between Far City High School and Eagle Growth

1480
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 3: High School. The exchanges between a long time announcing for

1481
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: Farest City or In Harris and a producer. The two

1482
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 3: make comments about the ethnicities of the opposing teams player specifically,

1483
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: the men refer to them as espanol people in Egle Growth.

1484
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 3: Harris goes on to say, as President Trump would say,

1485
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 3: go back to where they came from.

1486
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 4: Oh, so these are Latino people probably, uh.

1487
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 3: And then of course they were reached out for got

1488
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 3: no comment when they tried to find out what they

1489
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: were saying.

1490
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I know this is Latino people one hundred

1491
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 4: for me.

1492
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 5: You're right, And that's the thing brown like. I just

1493
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 5: put if you ain't wipe your brown like you the

1494
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 5: quote unquote other category. And what a lot of people

1495
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 5: fail to realize. I know the color rism within. You know,

1496
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 5: certain parts of brown people, but white people consider all

1497
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 5: us niggas.

1498
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:07,839
Speaker 6: They don't separate here in America.

1499
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 5: Other partsitive world is completely different, but here you either

1500
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 5: white or niggah.

1501
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 3: Last one, a woman hers racist threats at black teens

1502
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 3: and Denny's manager thought it was funny.

1503
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 4: What I mean it is Dennis.

1504
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 3: Woman accused teenagers of laughing at her in Saint George, Utah.

1505
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 4: And this Denny's restaurant is that what we're calling Dennys's days?

1506
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 4: Did they qualify as a restaurant.

1507
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 6: I don't know. I haven't said. I have said the

1508
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 6: foot in winning years.

1509
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 4: Dennis is the Arby's of sit down.

1510
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 6: Places, right because it's one near us and I don't

1511
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 6: ever desire to go.

1512
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went one time because, uh, I forget what

1513
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 3: I was doing. I was driving somewhere and I think

1514
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 3: I had to, you know, I was working for myself.

1515
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna stop in and eat Dennis

1516
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: for the first time. I never had it before, and

1517
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 3: uh it was basically salt.

1518
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 5: Come on, I haven't had Dennis in years. There used

1519
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 5: to be one down there below care Winds, and they

1520
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 5: tore it down. I think that Bill McDonald's was something

1521
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 5: where it is like talking about years ago, and it

1522
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 5: was one of those things where.

1523
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 6: That's why they be like, that's the the though, not

1524
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 6: a nine three, not a nine two nine four done.

1525
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 5: Nine special, Like they got to do something to get

1526
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 5: your ass in there, because it ain't because of the food.

1527
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: And I was sitting in there like that Lot's wife

1528
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 3: make this because it's nothing but salt. Okay, Like, can

1529
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: y'all add some food to this salt?

1530
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 5: Yeah? And somebody bought a good point by the book. Yeah,

1531
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 5: because my thing another reason why? And like I said,

1532
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 5: I hadn't been in decades. I was like, I don't

1533
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 5: want to be discriminated again. So why the fuck am

1534
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 5: I gonna go to a restaurant that discriminates.

1535
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 3: That that the ultimate nobody gets canceled. I still remember,

1536
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 3: nobody gets canceled. Everybody knew Dennis was racist, and the

1537
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 3: motherfucker's still around. Ain't nothing changed but the dollar sign

1538
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 3: after the name.

1539
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 4: That's it anyway.

1540
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparents in Saint George, Utah, she accused teenagers of

1541
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: laughing at her.

1542
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 4: She then called them fucking niggers and threatened to harm them.

1543
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 3: All it takes is a couple of niggers to cause problems,

1544
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 3: she says in the video, This is America. I can

1545
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 3: say whatever the fuck I want. M Jordan Jones, one

1546
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 3: of the teams in the video, said, then kind of

1547
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 3: was baffling. We don't know what provoked her. Why she

1548
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 3: thought we were laughing at her? He said, Mmm, we

1549
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 3: never spoke to her, even looked at her directly, he said.

1550
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 3: The woman then left, but was stopped at the front

1551
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: of the restaurant.

1552
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 6: Of glared how Jesse out smarts the season. You know,

1553
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 6: I don't care what this woman is doing, all right.

1554
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 3: That must be an ad plan for this video or something. Anyway,

1555
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 3: He's They weren't even looking at her. She stopped them

1556
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 3: and glared at them h through.

1557
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 4: A glass door. On her way out.

1558
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 3: One of Denny's employees in approached the teams that asked

1559
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 3: whether the woman was by than them, but then walked away.

1560
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 4: Okay, let's see, there's nothing news.

1561
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 6: I'm going out that tour.

1562
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 4: I'm not so anywhere.

1563
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 5: You can.

1564
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 6: Out the door cause a problem.

1565
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 4: Whoa my and you can have it, but we don't

1566
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 4: want to hear it.

1567
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 6: So I can say whatever I want. Don't make me.

1568
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna that was our video.

1569
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 5: M hmm.

1570
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 4: That's America. She can say whatever fun you want, So

1571
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 4: I guess zero for me. I mean it is her

1572
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 4: right one.

1573
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 6: And that's what That's one thing. While white folks go

1574
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 6: to these other countries.

1575
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 5: And think they go white and is going white, and

1576
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 5: then they go and them other countries be like, funk,

1577
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 5: we give a damn about your American whiteness. Go your

1578
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 5: ass to jail, and they act shocked and surprise because

1579
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 5: some people don't think that whiteness is as important as

1580
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 5: we do.

1581
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 4: We in America.

1582
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 3: We've been together this long. I still don't never know

1583
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: where you're going with it when you start out. Your

1584
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 3: brain is a mystery to me, Karen. That's what keep

1585
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 3: seeing trigue going.

1586
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 4: I was like, how do we get to other countries?

1587
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 4: It's having that Dennis in Utah. But I understood all

1588
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 4: the time you got there, you got there.

1589
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 12: Come on, you know, I gotta do it with that

1590
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 12: fuck I want you okay, all right, all right, that

1591
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 12: privilege that this same woman will go somewhere else and

1592
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 12: show her ass the same way, because she can say.

1593
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm just saying she could have got this in Utah.

1594
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. You ain't got to go across seas.

1595
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 3: You just run into the wrong group.

1596
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: Lucky, these kids weren't, you know, triggered and easily like

1597
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 4: violent and shit like you.

1598
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 3: Lucky you said it to the quote unquote right ones

1599
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 3: that were calm recorded they didn't want no problems posted

1600
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 3: on the internet, like man, this bitch is.

1601
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 4: Tripvin You're lucky you posted you.

1602
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: Iund that group of people rather than the jump up

1603
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 3: and hit you outside the head with a breakfast plate.

1604
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 4: People.

1605
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 6: Come on and wouldn't have thought twice about going to you.

1606
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 3: Ain't gotta get no pass. What to catch this ass

1607
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 3: with in these hands is on delivery?

1608
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 5: Come on, come on all right, yeah yeah, these hands

1609
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 5: is first class to your face, round trip even.

1610
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 6: Come on fl cover for free, bitch.

1611
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 3: Send you back to where you came from. Come on,

1612
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 3: check your bags and your privilege.

1613
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 6: Come on, I upgraded for your ass. Take some of this.

1614
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a layover. You're gonna be laying over there.

1615
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 4: Come on, t I take out the trash in about

1616
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 4: two three minutes when this is done.

1617
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 3: More than one hundred and eighty women have reported sexual

1618
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 3: assaults at massage envy.

1619
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 4: Wow yep.

1620
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: On May second, twenty fifteen, Susan Ingram lay face down

1621
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: in the dark of the local massage envy. She got

1622
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 3: a massage from this dude, just James Deeter like seven times.

1623
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 4: At this time.

1624
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 3: He decided, without warning, to grind his erect penis against

1625
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 3: her body. He grow ued her breast, put his fingers

1626
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 3: in and out of her vagina. She let that frozen

1627
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 3: in fear and disbelief until the session was over. By

1628
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 3: the way, a lot of people consider that freezing to

1629
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 3: be consented. That's how fucked up we are as society.

1630
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 3: They'd be like, why you didn't do nothing? Because everything

1631
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 3: they see on TV is somebody jumping out the bushes,

1632
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: a fighting, soing and all this shit like some fight

1633
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 3: fight or flight kicks in and survival in steak kicks in.

1634
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: You really don't know how you're gonna react to any

1635
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 3: of this shit.

1636
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 6: Correct, And I've never had that happen to me.

1637
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 5: I've had men massage me and women massage and I've

1638
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 5: never had that happen to me. Everybody has always been

1639
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 5: professional for me personally, And I don't know how I

1640
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 5: would respond. You know, I can't say I'll be cool,

1641
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 5: and I can't say I wouldn't make a scene. I

1642
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 5: don't for me, it could go either way either way.

1643
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 3: I think we all have our way that we like

1644
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: to think we respond, but don't You really don't know

1645
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 3: until it happens, And you really don't know. Even even

1646
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 3: if it happens to one person, you don't know. You know,

1647
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 3: I've seen you kind of like when we had situations

1648
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 3: We've been out and something happens to you and you'll

1649
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 3: like either freeze or be polite to a person that's wrong,

1650
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 3: you know, and that's that's your response in that situation.

1651
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 3: So and that's and now I'm not talking about some

1652
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: sexual assaut stuff, but I mean one time were inhabits

1653
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 3: Teter and this dude like yelled at you to close

1654
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: the the freeze and he's lucky I wasn't over there,

1655
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: but you know, I came around the corner like you, okay,

1656
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 3: well you acting kind of weird, what's wrong?

1657
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 4: What happened?

1658
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: And you were like, yeah, this guy told me to

1659
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 3: close the freezing shit. I'm like, yeah, Karen's not one

1660
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: of them cuts you out type of people.

1661
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 4: So who knows?

1662
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 6: Not instantly you don't either you push you that point,

1663
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 6: but it's one I.

1664
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 4: Mean, I haven't ever seen you really cuss anybody out,

1665
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 4: no pull like this.

1666
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 5: So far, I've been at a place where I haven't

1667
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 5: been uh, pushed to the point that makes me snap

1668
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 5: because anger is around that I try to stay out of. Hi.

1669
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 6: I'm like you, because once you get to that point

1670
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 6: of anger, you lose control.

1671
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 4: Well, people everybody has their livings, is what I'm saying.

1672
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 3: Right, but some like some situation we've all had happened

1673
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 3: to us, right, A person violates our personal space a

1674
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: person And when some people go off on that, like

1675
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 3: they's like, hey, get the fuck out of my face,

1676
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 3: you know like that, and some people don't. I'm just saying,

1677
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 3: none of us knows this kind of intrusive atmosphere A man,

1678
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: uh you know who's paid to touch you? And yeah,

1679
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 3: I can see how you would freeze up and then

1680
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 3: you know, and then people take that is like, well,

1681
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 3: you must not have thought nothing was wrong. It's like, no,

1682
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 3: I froze because I was so scared.

1683
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 4: I was so shocked. I didn't know what to do.

1684
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 4: You know, it's not a movie like this is happening

1685
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 4: to me. I don't know. It's like someone pull a

1686
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 4: gun on you. You really don't know what your response is.

1687
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 3: You might try to jack bow or spinning heel, kick

1688
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: that shit out of his hand, or you might just

1689
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 3: be like, I don't wanna get shot, take my wallet,

1690
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: you know.

1691
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 6: Correct, And it's one of those things too. Where is

1692
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 6: a power dynamic in most of these situations?

1693
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1694
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 6: And that power dynamic matters and only the power dynamic.

1695
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 5: Particularly like I said, I think we talked about the

1696
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 5: situation before with me being a black woman, and because

1697
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 5: I know how black rage is looked upon, particularly black

1698
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 5: rage from black women is never looked upon nicely. And

1699
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 5: I could be in the right, but because I raised

1700
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 5: my voice or I get mad, or I get ugly,

1701
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 5: I'll be the one being hauled off to jail.

1702
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, yeah, I could definitely see that in this situation.

1703
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 5: So that's a lot of times why I can't speak

1704
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 5: for everybody else. And that's something that's kind of bit

1705
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 5: ingrained embreded within me, and it's something that I think

1706
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 5: it's embedded, embedded, I'm sorry, embreded and embedded within me.

1707
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 6: And it's one of those things where that's something that.

1708
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 5: I need to break, you know, but I could. I'll

1709
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 5: just be in truthful with that. I know how my

1710
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 5: appearance appears. I know with particularly with me having natural hair,

1711
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 5: I know how that appears.

1712
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 3: But you did this way before you had natural hair.

1713
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 3: You were like this, So it ain't just that, you know,

1714
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: I think it's deeper than that. It is it is,

1715
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 3: but I definitely think it does. Part of it goes

1716
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 3: back to you know, the black woman's stereotype, but also

1717
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 3: just it's just individual people. It's not a man or

1718
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 3: woman think either fight or flight is some like some

1719
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 3: shit you can't control. Sometimes people just freeze up, you know,

1720
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 3: it just happens.

1721
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 4: And we taught people that.

1722
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 3: That means men specifically, we taught men be aggressive. Be

1723
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 3: aggressive as long as she don't say no. Like even

1724
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 3: when we talk about consent, what do we say she

1725
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 3: didn't say no, We don't say get a we say,

1726
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 3: at least until very recently, we didn't say get an affirmative,

1727
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 3: get a yes. And there's still people that don't like that.

1728
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 3: They think it takes out of spontaneity and passion out

1729
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 3: of it and shit. And I'm like, I don't know.

1730
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 3: I'd rather not err on the side or going to jail,

1731
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: because if someone's just freezing the fuck up, I'm then

1732
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 3: I'm then I don't want to violate this person. I

1733
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 3: don't want to be that.

1734
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 4: But some men do.

1735
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like this probably specifically does Like I don't

1736
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 3: think anything prompted him to do this. He decides gonna

1737
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 3: do it, and then more details are in the story.

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Speaker 5: Okay, no problem, and I wonder, uh M, it's one

1739
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 5: of those things where because because for those of youm

1740
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 5: the that have never had massage, it's nomingly just you

1741
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 5: and whoever do it a massage. A lot of times

1742
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 5: the lights her dim, they have candles and music playing

1743
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 5: and things like that, and I wonder, I don't know.

1744
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 5: I don't think it would make a difference if they

1745
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 5: had cameras or recorded or anything like that. It would

1746
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 5: be something where it.

1747
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 4: Would be how many people don't want to be recorded?

1748
01:23:59,160 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 6: Though that's true.

1749
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 4: I'm in this room with no clothes on.

1750
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 3: Possibly I don't want you recorded me, right, I mean,

1751
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 3: it's just anyway we'll get to the real problem because

1752
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: him doing that is a problem in itself. But I

1753
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 3: started this article talking about one hundred and eighty women.

1754
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 3: This isn't just him with just this one woman.

1755
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 6: And a prod of the ones that we've heard about.

1756
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 3: At any rate, she laid up frozen in fear of this,

1757
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 3: believed till the session was over. After driving home sobbing,

1758
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 3: she called the spot to report the sexual assault. She

1759
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 3: was shocked with the manager refused to interrupt the session

1760
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 3: that he was currently having with a female client or

1761
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 3: to connect her to the spot's owner. I said to her, Nicole,

1762
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 3: he stuck his fingers among vagihna less than an hour ago.

1763
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 3: She later recounted in court, she begged the manager to

1764
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 3: get Dieter's kind out of the massage room immediately.

1765
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 4: See this is what they tell.

1766
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: You tell people so it won't happen someone after you.

1767
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 3: It won't happen again. And they blame women when it

1768
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 3: keeps happening. Oh, just happened to other people because you

1769
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: didn't say nothing. She said, she could not do that.

1770
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 3: She invited me in to talk about my services. Frustrated,

1771
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 3: she called the police, who interviewed Dieter that afternoon. He

1772
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 3: quickly admitted to a solid not just Ingram, but other

1773
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 3: clients as well. I need help he can fast. The

1774
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: next year, he pleaded guilty the sexual women less in

1775
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 3: the total of nine women while working at Massage Envy

1776
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 3: from fall twenty fourteen to spring twenty fifteen.

1777
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 4: That ain't long at all.

1778
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 6: And it makes them look fucking crazy for them.

1779
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 4: Just blowing her off. It makes who look crazy?

1780
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 6: Massage Envy, Oh, because you literally blew her.

1781
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 4: I mean they weren't crazy. It makes them look complicit, right, right,

1782
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 4: that's more of what I mean.

1783
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 3: They now, I don't know how you can say they weren't.

1784
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 3: They ain't even about looks. Y'all chose not to do anything.

1785
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, who knows how many of those other women calling

1786
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 6: and y'all blew them off?

1787
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 3: Two of these Two of those women had tried to

1788
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 3: warn the spa Aboudeta before Ingram had three, So that's

1789
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 3: she's the third woman to call.

1790
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 4: Three months before Ingles's assault.

1791
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: One woman told the Spot that he touched her genitals

1792
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 3: One month before ingles assaw. Another woman reported he touched

1793
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 3: her breast. The Spot a side of the allegations weren't credible,

1794
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 3: in part because, like Ingram, both women had made them

1795
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 3: over the phone and wouldn't return to the Spot to

1796
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 3: discuss the events in person. Why would I want to

1797
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 3: talk to you in person, right? And why would I

1798
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 3: be making this up? And why would three women be

1799
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 3: making it up? Essentially, y'all were gonna see what the game?

1800
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 3: She called the police?

1801
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 4: The game plan was all these women.

1802
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 6: Line okay, okay, So the victim called the police.

1803
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 3: Yes, she called the police. That's how it started the story.

1804
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 3: She called the police, and then that they came out

1805
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 3: and interviewed them.

1806
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 4: He admitted it.

1807
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 3: So if any point the spot would have put on

1808
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 3: to the side, he may have admitted it. Or if

1809
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 3: they would have called police on him, they he may

1810
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 3: have admitted it. She had to call the police before

1811
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 3: it got serious.

1812
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: But yeah.

1813
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 3: Lawyers would later ask the spot owner and another clinic

1814
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 3: manager why they would judge and a led sexual assault

1815
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 3: victim on her willingness to return to the senior crime.

1816
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 3: I was following the policy of Massage Envy, the owner said,

1817
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 3: and therefore I thought it was appropriate. Massides Envy is

1818
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 3: the first and far and by far the largest chain

1819
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 3: a massage franchise in the country. It's a billion dollar

1820
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 3: business that promises trustworthy services at an affordable price. But

1821
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 3: BuzzFeed News found at more than one hundred and eighty

1822
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: people have found sexual assault lawsuits, police report and state

1823
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 3: board complaints against Massage Envy spas, their employees, and the

1824
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 3: national company. Like Susan Ingram, many say their claims were

1825
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 3: mishandled or ignored by employees and owners of individual Massage

1826
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 3: Envy spas and by the national company itself.

1827
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 4: Dozens of women reported digital and oral penetration.

1828
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 3: Fingers okay, one Oregon woman said her massage therapists forced

1829
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 3: his entire fist into a vagina before ejaculating in her face.

1830
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 4: What god damn kind of ex hamster shit is that?

1831
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 3: In Florida, a woman says she tried to push away

1832
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 3: her massage therapist as he licked her vagina. Over one

1833
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 3: hundred women were masses that reported that massage therapial therapists

1834
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 3: groped their genitals, groped their breasts, or committed other explicit violations,

1835
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 3: such as.

1836
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 4: California woman says she opened her eyes.

1837
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 3: During a prenatal massage prenatal so that means she was

1838
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 3: pregnant to find a massage therapist sucking on her nipple.

1839
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 3: These claims represent only a sliver of the tens of

1840
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: millions of services that massage Jimmy says his franchises have provided. Still,

1841
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 3: lawyers for agreed spy clients told BuzzFeed News that there

1842
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: are more cases where women report abuse by massage therapists

1843
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: the police, but no arrest is made, and the massage

1844
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 3: MV spots sometimes offer a settlement before a suitors file,

1845
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 3: leaving no public records. Statistically, most victims of sexual assault

1846
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 3: don't report at all. Even Massage mvy's own orientation manual

1847
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 3: discuss client satisfaction in general, has warned employees that only

1848
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: four percent of upset customers will tell you that when

1849
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 3: there is a problem. Massage GMV told BuzzFeed News that

1850
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 3: it would not be appropriate to respond point by point

1851
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 3: to questions because of pending litigation and the confidential documents involved.

1852
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 3: But overall, MEILINGI Hanson, general counsel of Massage Envy Franchising

1853
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 3: and the company has worked says the company has worked

1854
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 3: hard to create the industry's mostringent, rigorous practices for hiring, screening,

1855
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 3: and training therapists.

1856
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 6: Ye, I don't believe you.

1857
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 5: And b one of the missus who who has worked

1858
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 5: with me before, said that she used to work at

1859
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 5: Massage GMV and she was telling me how they treat

1860
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 5: their employees. And then she was saying that she could

1861
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 5: do the two hour massages, you know, the massages for

1862
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 5: two hours. So what they would do they would constantly

1863
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 5: give her two hour massage and said that's a lot.

1864
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 6: She said they overwork and a lot of people.

1865
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 5: Would complain is that if you have an hour, you

1866
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 5: wouldn't get an hour like your time. Literally started from

1867
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 5: the time the person introduced right, So it was one

1868
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 5: of those things where you, oh, yeah, you had to

1869
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 5: get right up here until they come like that. That's

1870
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 5: spot the package too now, but like your time would

1871
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 5: start from because a lot of times when you go

1872
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 5: to introduce you come in, you know, they ask you,

1873
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 5: you know, what do you need done? A lot of

1874
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 5: times they might know an advance yah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1875
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 5: you take off your clothes and all and all that

1876
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 5: time is against your time. So if you have an hour,

1877
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 5: they don't actually work on you for an hour. They

1878
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 5: might work on you for forty minutes, because twenty minutes

1879
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 5: was a pre prep.

1880
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 6: So a lot of times people would complain because I

1881
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 6: was like, motherfucker, I paid for an hour. I paid

1882
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 6: for ninety minutes. I didn't pay you know, if I

1883
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 6: got it, you know, ninety minutes. I don't want sixty.

1884
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 6: I want ninety. That's what I paid for.

1885
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,679
Speaker 5: And so she was saying, because it's almost like a machine,

1886
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 5: because a lot of people use massage even because.

1887
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 6: The hours are convenient.

1888
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 5: A lot of times there every day of the week,

1889
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 5: you know that hours are late, so you almost fit

1890
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 5: a lot of people scheduling. It's more convenient than most

1891
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 5: massage parlops who a lot of times they don't do Sundays,

1892
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 5: or they don't do Saturdays, or they don't do late

1893
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 5: you know. So for a lot of people use them

1894
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 5: out of just convenience, and that's why they like the

1895
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 5: McDonald's of massages, like they're everywhere.

1896
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 4: That's a very interesting history of massage even over there.

1897
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 5: I care, and I've been before, and I know I've

1898
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 5: never had a problem, but it's just one of those things.

1899
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 4: I mean, of all the people.

1900
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 3: I know, it's more than one hundred eighty people that

1901
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 3: just had to happen to a lot, but it seems

1902
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 3: like a small sliver, which makes you think. It's kind

1903
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: of like when I talk about the NC double A

1904
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: and sexual assaults at schools. Schools have it tied up

1905
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 3: into their reputation to protect sexual assault abuser, to protect

1906
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 3: the abuser, because they don't want to be becoming known

1907
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: as a school that has to report that their sexual

1908
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 3: assault on our campus. So what they do is everything

1909
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 3: to silence the victim, silence the survivor, and to cover

1910
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 3: up the abuser and quietly settle it or get that

1911
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 3: person out of school and pretend hey we don't have

1912
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 3: to report these numbers when it's time to talk about

1913
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 3: the environment on our campus.

1914
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 4: But instead as an opposite effect.

1915
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 3: It basically it courages people to be abusive because they

1916
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 3: know they shit'll be covered up, they won't face any consequences,

1917
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 3: and they'll you know, and the victim will probably be

1918
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: the survival will probably be ostracized and pushed out of school.

1919
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 4: Like they clearly take that person's side, even though they

1920
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 4: claim to not be taken a side. That's what happens.

1921
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, this sounds like they sacrifice these women to

1922
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 3: their brand, like, hey, look, our brand is more important

1923
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 3: than we don't want to be known as the sexual

1924
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 3: assault place. That's what you're now known as a sexual

1925
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 3: assault place that covers up sexual assault. It's not like

1926
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 3: knowing It's not like people think there's be zero percent

1927
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 3: of sexual assault in the massage industry.

1928
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 4: That's not what I think.

1929
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 3: Everyone recognizes that there's gonna be some some loans, some

1930
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 3: deviant people, and all.

1931
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 6: This suffimacy of it.

1932
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 3: Well just no because of I mean not to me,

1933
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 3: not because of intimacy. Because of the numbers, it's statistically impossible.

1934
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 3: You got a bunch of people involved in uh, in

1935
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,719
Speaker 3: this industry, and I take the same thing about school

1936
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: bus drivers or fucking teachers, or somebody gonna fuck some kids,

1937
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 3: somebody gonna touch somebody ain't supposed touch. Same thing pizza

1938
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 3: delivery drivers. Someone's gonna do something. It's always deviance quote

1939
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 3: unquote to the norm. But you don't have to cover

1940
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 3: up for them. You don't make them have to make

1941
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 3: your business model covering up for them. Now you're complicit

1942
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 3: because before I don't. I don't have to feel like

1943
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 3: you're complicit if you come down on these people. But

1944
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 3: I feel like you're complicit when I see that you're

1945
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 3: avoiding coming down on these people, allowing them to do

1946
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 3: it over and over.

1947
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 4: Again, not taking your customers seriously.

1948
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 3: If this same customer would a call back and said, hey,

1949
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 3: this dude stole fire, I was out my wallet, y'all

1950
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 3: would have fired that motherfucker immediately.

1951
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 7: Come on.

1952
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1953
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been like, well, if you come back

1954
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 4: and tell us to our fect, you'd be like, oh,

1955
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 4: you did what you know? Like what the fuck is

1956
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 4: going on in here?

1957
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 5: You know?

1958
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 4: So, yeah, you're complicit. Anyway, it goes on to talk

1959
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 4: about it's a very long article, but you know, we'll see.

1960
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 3: And they're trying to say, well, as far as an

1961
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 3: individually owned but hey, you got policies.

1962
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 4: And procedures that aren't individuals.

1963
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 5: So come on, a lot of times I try to

1964
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 5: pull that bullshit when they don't want to be held

1965
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 5: accountable responsible When I when I go to McDonald's, I

1966
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 5: don't go to fucking McDonald franchise. I oh, goddamn McDonald's.

1967
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 5: When I go to massage Envy, it's motherfucking massage envy.

1968
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 5: It ain't no individual. I don't give a fuck what

1969
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 5: they pay for this goddamn franchise. On the outside of

1970
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 5: the building it said, motherfucker massage Envy.

1971
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 6: So you're held accountable.

1972
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 3: And see what else happened in the trash? Oh my god,

1973
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 3: a Netflix of official mistakenly because he didn't know it

1974
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 3: was this person, he mistakenly told admitted to a victim's

1975
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 3: face that they don't believe the actor any Masterson raped her. Wow, yeah,

1976
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 3: now it was an accident. Obviously necessarily makes any better.

1977
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 3: That just means she found out how he really feels.

1978
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 3: Come on, but you know, Kevin Spacey got fired after

1979
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 3: one person came for earlier this year. Now, there was

1980
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 3: a lot of rumors about him quote unquote that apparently

1981
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 3: everybody knew and I didn't.

1982
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 4: I didn't know. Well everybody knew, and uh.

1983
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 3: So it's like they fired him immediately, you know, like

1984
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 3: just got him off, like stop swift response, get him.

1985
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 5: Out of here, right because we don't we know other

1986
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 5: shit coming down the road and we don't want.

1987
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: To deal with it.

1988
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 3: Well, that same company is dragging his feet when it

1989
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 3: comes to actor Danny Masterson, best known for his role

1990
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 3: in That seventy show, and despite what it's described as

1991
01:34:55,160 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 3: overwhelming evidence against him, investigators by Los Angeles uhtions by

1992
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 3: Los Angeles have stalled, and Netflix has kept him on

1993
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 3: the payrolls one of the actors on their new show

1994
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 3: The Ranch. Now we have vital insight into why Netflix

1995
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 3: hasn't taken reports about Masters, and seriously, the people in

1996
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 3: charge don't believe the victims that aren't afraid to say it.

1997
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 3: Over the weekend, Netflix director of Global Kids Content Andy

1998
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeatman accidentally told one of masters and victims to her

1999
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 3: face that he doesn't believe her when chatting during the

2000
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 3: kids soccer game. When victim B approached Yeatman and asked

2001
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 3: him if he worked at Netflix. He said, She says

2002
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 3: he answered in the affirmative. Victim B said she asked

2003
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeatman why Netflix is not taking action against Masterson in

2004
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,520
Speaker 3: light of the District attorney's investigation and the multiple accusations

2005
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 3: of rape. According to Victim Be and other witness and

2006
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 3: another witness, Yeatman and Netflix take said.

2007
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 4: Yeatman said, Netflix.

2008
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 3: Takes sexual misconduct allegations seriously, but we don't believe them.

2009
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 3: Referring to Masterson's four accusers, victim Be told imposed, would.

2010
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 5: You do that because she asked you that that means

2011
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 5: everything you say past that point you are people are stupid.

2012
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 6: Go ahead.

2013
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,719
Speaker 4: Uh so, yeah, she says.

2014
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 6: Uh.

2015
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 4: She never expected him to say such a thing. She

2016
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 4: was left sun she said.

2017
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 3: She then told him I'm one of them, indicating she

2018
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 3: was one of the accusers. The conversation ended quickly. I

2019
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 3: noticed that Yeatman was there to watch his daughter play

2020
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 3: if I wondered if he'd be so blise if that

2021
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 3: happened to his daughter. Netflix unsurprisingly tried to do damage control,

2022
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 3: but seemingly missed the point that statement reads. While he

2023
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 3: was coaching the youth soccer match today, Mister Yeatman, a

2024
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 3: Netflix Kids programming executive, was approached by a stranger who

2025
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 3: did not identify herself or explaining her connection to Danny Masters.

2026
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 5: Why would she fucking have to If somebody asks you,

2027
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 5: do you work in net Phelix and you confirm everything

2028
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 5: you say past, then you actually are representing the company.

2029
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 3: Mister Yeatman's comments were careless, uninformed and do not represent

2030
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 3: the view of the company. Further, he had no insights

2031
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 3: into decision making on the ranch. We are aware of

2032
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,560
Speaker 3: the allegations against Danny Masters, and we were following the

2033
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 3: current investigation and we were respond if developments occur. It

2034
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 3: honestly doesn't matter whether he knew or this back to

2035
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 3: the article, it obviously doesn't matter whether he he knew

2036
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 3: that he was talking to a.

2037
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 4: Victim or not. Is weird than Netflix felt that that's

2038
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 4: irrelevant fact.

2039
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 3: It actually makes them look worse because the fact is

2040
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 3: that yeat Men was being completely honest and he was

2041
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 3: comfortable enough to call these four women.

2042
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 4: Lives to a virtual stranger.

2043
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: Right.

2044
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 3: Three of the four women were members of Scientology as

2045
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: his masters, and the church says reporting another Scientologists to

2046
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 3: law enforcement as a violation of the highest order and

2047
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 3: leads to being shunned. As a result, these women lost

2048
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 3: their family, friends, and religion just by reporting. It's one

2049
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 3: thing to wait until the investigation brings more evidence before

2050
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 3: making a decision. However, it looks like at least one

2051
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 3: person that influence has already made their decisions. Even if

2052
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 3: Netflix doesn't believe the victims, they deserve at the very

2053
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 3: least to not be seen as.

2054
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 4: Lives until more evidence comes forward.

2055
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 3: To like one of the things that's also interesting or

2056
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 3: fucked up about this, The police got a bunch of

2057
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 3: witness statements saying he didn't sexual assault those women, but

2058
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 3: it's from other scientologists.

2059
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 6: What didn't right?

2060
01:37:59,160 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 5: Right?

2061
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 4: Some shady ship going on over there. But yeah, they

2062
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 4: haven't got rid of them.

2063
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 3: And I want to quickly revisit something we talked about

2064
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 3: yesterday because more information came in after we did the show.

2065
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 3: But you know, John Hockenberry, NPR du wanted the NPR dudes,

2066
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,839
Speaker 3: He of course got fired.

2067
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 6: Well.

2068
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 3: In addition to his the email about I want to

2069
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 3: get another dose to you and whatnot, apparently he sent

2070
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 3: that he sent eight emails to this woman unanswered over

2071
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 3: a period of time, and he kept talking about how

2072
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna help make her career and all this stuff,

2073
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 3: and the program was called The Takeaway. Okay, So the

2074
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 3: Takeaway was established because NPR wanted to put marginalized voices

2075
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 3: in on the show, and they wanted to have like,

2076
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 3: you know, some marginalized people basically leading to charge, Well,

2077
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,440
Speaker 3: this white man, I'll.

2078
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 4: Be it disabled took over basically and it became his show.

2079
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 6: Why I didn't know that.

2080
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So they would have.

2081
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 3: Women of color and people like as co host and

2082
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 3: as guests, but it became his show, and he uh,

2083
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 3: in addition to the sexual advances towards women that made

2084
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 3: them uncomfortable, he also was very harsh and bossy and

2085
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 3: aggressive towards the women of color that would come on

2086
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 3: the show, and he undermined a lot of their careers

2087
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 3: there and they ended up leaving the show.

2088
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 4: And then it became hisself the Diversity Show. But it's

2089
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 4: basically his show, the white man Show.

2090
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 3: So that was that was a big part of it,

2091
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 3: which obviously we didn't all that wasn't in the article yesterday,

2092
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 3: but yeah, he.

2093
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 4: Was super aggressive and and basically took over that whole thing.

2094
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 6: The disability. Ain't got nothing to do with mm hmm.

2095
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 6: If it were or not, you're still connected to you.

2096
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 4: Right.

2097
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 3: That a white man that I'll be at a disabled

2098
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 3: when ended up being alone the top of the Diversity

2099
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 3: show was definitely ironic, but for some of the women

2100
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 3: that to take away it was more than that. The message,

2101
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 3: according to Christian Meanser, culture producer for eight years, was

2102
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 3: if you speak up, you'll disappear. Menzer, who is the

2103
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 3: director of nonfiction programming at the podcast company Panopoly Media,

2104
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 3: is one of those who felt sexually encroached upon by Hockenberry.

2105
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 3: The worst moment, she said, came in the fall of

2106
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, when she managed to wrangle the Oscar winning

2107
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 3: actress Marion Cotillard. It was a good get, when she

2108
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 3: informed Hackenberry, he rode right up to me at my desk,

2109
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 3: grabbed my face and started kissing me. I moved my

2110
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 3: head away and pushed him away. I said, no, no, please, don't.

2111
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 3: I just want to kiss you because I'm so thankful,

2112
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 3: he said. According to Meanser, she replied, a hug is fine,

2113
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 3: but I don't want to be kissed. That was the

2114
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 3: only time he tried to make physical contact with her.

2115
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 3: The rest of it, she said, was over social media,

2116
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 3: when Hackenberry was smiling at photos of Menza and her

2117
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 3: husband on Facebook, doesn't wonder you have herpes? At least

2118
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 3: on g chat he wrote, what everyone thinks you have

2119
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 3: a secret life as a dominatrix. Another time, do you

2120
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 3: think about anything other than sex? And you and your

2121
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 3: sex obsession. Though the later comments were in context of

2122
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 3: a segment on the biopic about the porn start Linda

2123
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 3: Lovelace memeser said she nonetheless felt diminished by I can

2124
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:22,799
Speaker 3: beary his jabs.

2125
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 4: It wasn't I wasn't sex subcess. I was just doing

2126
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 4: my job. Yeah.

2127
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:32,519
Speaker 3: Another former female takeaway producer said, didn't want to be named,

2128
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 3: kind of physical andcounter similar to mindsers. Typically, she said,

2129
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 3: they put more and star show staff up at hotels

2130
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 3: in the station where the snowstorm was predicted, because that

2131
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 3: had to be in the offices earliest three thirty am.

2132
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 3: It was winter twenty ten, perhaps January twenty eleven. The

2133
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 3: producer who was in the early thirty said the overnight

2134
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 3: crew went out for drinks and dinner and on the

2135
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 3: way back, John said, can we talk about something on

2136
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 3: the show? So I went over to I went to

2137
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 3: his room, which might have seen stupid now, but didn't

2138
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 3: seem crazy. Then we worked around the She took a

2139
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 3: seat at the desk in his room. He said when

2140
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 3: he approached her, he came up, put his arms on mind,

2141
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 3: kissed me, and then he said, I love you. We

2142
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 3: always had this special thing. I pushed him away and said,

2143
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 3: this cannot happen. I ran out of the room.

2144
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 4: The next morning, she couldn't imagine returning to work. She

2145
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 4: was certain she had to leave her job.

2146
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 3: Yet she did go to work and mentioned not a

2147
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 3: thing door coworkers, though she considered them like family. She

2148
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 3: asked only to be taking off the overnight shift to

2149
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 3: minimize her one on one contact with her canberry right,

2150
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 3: and again looking for a new job. This is a

2151
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 3: person who has an immense power, she told me. Back then,

2152
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 3: my impression was that after sexual harassment filing, the woman

2153
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 3: gets blamed and the woman will be removed.

2154
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 9: Right.

2155
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 4: She left three months later, so yeah, he was.

2156
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 3: It was beyond some emails, beyond like it's always more

2157
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 3: motherfuckers be the finish.

2158
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 5: Shit and speaking out because a lot of times with

2159
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 5: this stuff, these are the women that's speaking out. There

2160
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 5: are dozens and dozens of victims that we will never

2161
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 5: hear of that careers have changed and along get in

2162
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 5: the industry, will over here started doing other shit because

2163
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 5: it was like I just can't deal with it.

2164
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 4: Yep, So that's the trash for the day, guys. It

2165
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 4: was a lie. It was a lot still, way more, still,

2166
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 4: way more.

2167
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 3: Couldn't get to all of it. That was just a

2168
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 3: couple of people, but it was very trashy. Yeah, it

2169
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 3: was massage envy really dog right, Damn.

2170
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 5: I haven't been in a while, but you basically crossed

2171
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 5: me off the list because you know, they have a

2172
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 5: thing at Massage IV where you can like pay like

2173
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 5: a monthly fee and you know, you can get like

2174
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 5: a massage a month and it's you know, it's fairly high,

2175
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 5: but it's worth it.

2176
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 6: For some people.

2177
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:41,799
Speaker 5: So some people actually pay the fee to get a massage.

2178
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 5: And it's one of the things where if I was

2179
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 5: doing that, I would just cancel my membership.

2180
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 6: But the fuck no, you get no money from me.

2181
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

2182
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 3: All right, let's do something fun. Let's do a little

2183
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 3: white people news the good time. But we get out

2184
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 3: of here like some type of do rag or something

2185
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 3: on this white man's head.

2186
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 4: Let's see what it's. Don't give though, m hm.

2187
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 9: Hm it's sill. No fifteen days mm hmmm mm hmm.

2188
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 11: You ain't even going the right key baby boom boom.

2189
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 11: I thought this was a good idea.

2190
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 9: Sit you big cane knocking.

2191
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's like he had caught too low on the guitar, hiding.

2192
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 13: That he's wrong. Nothing, nothing can take away.

2193
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 6: Sassing the song.

2194
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 9: It's been so long.

2195
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 5: M h.

2196
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 4: Has he even heard the song before?

2197
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 6: No, he's a key with the guitar, he's not even

2198
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 6: the pitch is higher than that like came in. He

2199
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 6: was already too low. M m man. So no me,

2200
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 6: I'm not lying. You're just until make a pressure.

2201
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 2: I can browns around them bom and nothing, but they

2202
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 2: do even live.

2203
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 9: I'm back into the doget.

2204
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 6: I know what to tell me.

2205
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,560
Speaker 9: It's simple, come from.

2206
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 4: No matter what you do, even.

2207
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 6: The thing.

2208
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing compares, indeed, because that shit wasn't comparable.

2209
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,440
Speaker 6: That was terriball.

2210
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 4: That was terrible.

2211
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 5: God for you to say it's terrible, it's bad and

2212
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 5: you always find something to jam on, but that shit

2213
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 5: was bad at it?

2214
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 6: You Okay, you need something for your eyes.

2215
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 5: I have it.

2216
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 4: I need to hold on. Let me put this in

2217
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 4: my eyes real quick. Sorry, y'all, no problem.

2218
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I seen you over there rubbing them all like,

2219
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,759
Speaker 5: oh oh, they just have in tendenity to get dried sometimes.

2220
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 4: I say, he dried my eyes out with all that.

2221
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 6: That terrible singer will suck the moisture out of anything.

2222
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 5: That was some bad singing baby mm mmmmmmmm.

2223
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 6: Started off on the room cool with your guitar and

2224
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 6: then your your your no, just.

2225
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 4: Just no, all right.

2226
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 9: Uh.

2227
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 3: Jennifer Nettles is in the White People News. You guys

2228
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 3: know how y'all love Jennifer Nettles.

2229
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:54,720
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know who this white woman is.

2230
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 4: Who is his? I never heard of a character.

2231
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm glad I ain't going the one.

2232
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:03,599
Speaker 3: I'm like you the whole first time for everything. Jennifer

2233
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 3: Nettles has apparently confessed that she binges children's shows with

2234
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 3: her child like every other parent. It's big news, guys.

2235
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 3: I hope y'all sitting down. I hope you guys are

2236
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 3: at work and got yourselves somewhere safe so that you

2237
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,839
Speaker 3: want to stir your coworkers with this shocking revelation.

2238
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I wonder what shows a goal.

2239
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 4: I'm assuming stretch armstrong. I think it's a new one.

2240
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,560
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, what happened to the happen to the

2241
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 4: actual article?

2242
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 5: Oh?

2243
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 4: Come back every day at eight thirty to watch people

2244
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 4: now streaming. This ain't the article?

2245
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, ain't.

2246
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 3: Oh I guess it was been a video or something. Anyway,

2247
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 3: this white woman watched TV shows. I don't know who

2248
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 3: she is or what she do.

2249
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 6: Somebody says she a country single.

2250
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 4: Well there you go, guys. Well you know she ain't watching.

2251
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 4: And the damn glory to explorer. I know that much.

2252
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 3: So America, bitch, make America great again. Don't speak no

2253
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 3: Odd Blake, ain't last shouping her? No go da go

2254
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 3: go mm hmm swiping, no swiping, I say, friends, no hopping.

2255
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Hah.

2256
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 4: Let's see baby. It is cold outside.

2257
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 3: Seanna Miller hides her figure in oversized tweed coat for

2258
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 3: a stroll in New York. Is she supposed to be pregnant?

2259
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:28,680
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2260
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 3: I mean, why would you be hiding your figure? Well,

2261
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 3: maybe it's just cold, it's north. I mean, I don't

2262
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,919
Speaker 3: know if you're necessarily a hiding if it's just cold outside.

2263
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 6: I mean I have oversized cold up there too.

2264
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

2265
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 3: She was spotted talking on her phone as she made

2266
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 3: her way across the street in New York on Tuesday,

2267
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 3: The g I Joe Rise of Cobra Face.

2268
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 4: Oh that counts.

2269
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 6: She was in that badass movie. Is that that movie

2270
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 6: with tantum Un Tatum. Yes?

2271
01:49:58,600 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 4: Yes, Uh.

2272
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 3: She seen remarkably at ease as she partook in her

2273
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 3: conversation while in the upmarket West Village area. Oh, the

2274
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:13,719
Speaker 3: upmarket West Village I have it is a big ass coat,

2275
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 3: drowning her figure in an oversized coat. The Fine, the

2276
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 3: Fine Philly opted to wear minimum makeup on her grand

2277
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 3: day out. Jude Law's former squeeze was looking in fine

2278
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 3: for him, and she sauntered around in her long coat,

2279
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 3: which she was wearing with multi colored leggings and trainers.

2280
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 3: The was fashionable thirty four year old rounded off her

2281
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 3: look with a pair of oversized sunglasses, which she wore

2282
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 3: despite the cloudy weather, and a backpack. So you have

2283
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 3: to share her little girl with her former fiance Tom Sturage,

2284
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 3: whom she dated from twenty eleven to twenty fifteen. The

2285
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,680
Speaker 3: family are often seen out in The Big Apple and

2286
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 3: the Star recently revealed for the former lovers do as

2287
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 3: much as they can to give their daughter as normal

2288
01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 3: a family environment as possible. She told Harper's Bazaarre. Everybody

2289
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 3: will stay over, or we'll all go on holiday, and

2290
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 3: that's become my week.

2291
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 4: That's because we genuinely want to be around each other.

2292
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 3: It's great for our daughter that she has two parents

2293
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 3: who love each other and our friends. He's definitely my

2294
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 3: best friend in the entire world.

2295
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 4: Good for you, guys.

2296
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,640
Speaker 3: It's good to see white people, you know, getting their

2297
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 3: coats on, getting cold out there, you know.

2298
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh.

2299
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 3: Demi Lovato shook the internet with her Save the Date

2300
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 3: after sharing a wedding photo. Mm hmm, Dimmi Levados. She's

2301
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 3: also hates Taylor Swift, but sometimes too much. She one

2302
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:46,759
Speaker 3: time hated Taylor Swift and said she didn't care about

2303
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 3: women and didn't give nothing to Kesha for her defense fund.

2304
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:54,759
Speaker 3: It turns out she actually paid for Kesha's legal defense partially.

2305
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 5: I know more about her for that ship than I

2306
01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 5: do her music. If her soone came on, I'd be like,

2307
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 5: who was this white one? The sing?

2308
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 7: Uh?

2309
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 3: Demi Levado excited fans last Wednesday, was she supposed to

2310
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 3: a photo of herself wearing a wedding dress complete with

2311
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:09,679
Speaker 3: a veil and seeing it background on Instagram? The singers

2312
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 3: followers immediately storing social media with comments so speculated the

2313
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,640
Speaker 3: sorry not sorry Creuner might be trying to tie, might

2314
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 3: be tied or not with ex boyfriend Wilmer Wilmer Valda

2315
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 3: Rama or longtime Friendick Nick Jonas. If Wilmer isn't there,

2316
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw some hands, one fan wrote. Another added,

2317
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 3: please tell me you're marrying Nick Jonas. Yesterday Levado provoked.

2318
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:32,599
Speaker 4: More we what is that thing?

2319
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 6: U shipping searies that everybody don't give a damn age

2320
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 6: the TV show or not?

2321
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 4: Uh? Was she supposed to say the date? On Instagram?

2322
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 3: The invitation reads tell Me You Love Me, which is

2323
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,959
Speaker 3: also the name of the single debut in September, suggesting

2324
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 3: the matrimonial content might be tethered to the release of

2325
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 3: the tunes upcoming music video. The invite, which also bore

2326
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 3: the date of the time of the forthcoming event and

2327
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 3: the name Jesse, left fans wondering who she'll be walking

2328
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 3: down the asur within the video. Several surmise it could

2329
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:04,640
Speaker 3: be graising out of me. Jesse Williams, Demmi Levado and

2330
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 3: Jesse Williams in a music video together.

2331
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 4: Yep.

2332
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 3: Please, One fan tweeter another gush I'm a little too

2333
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 3: excited for Jesse Williams and Demi Levado to be a

2334
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 3: couple in the new video.

2335
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 6: I guess we missed the video and all the white

2336
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 6: folks excitement duds.

2337
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 3: I guess her fans ain't ain't black women though, because

2338
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have been as.

2339
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 4: Excited about Jesse.

2340
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 3: No offense to Demmy, but the word on the street

2341
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 3: these ladies is not not feeling this new Jesse Williams stuff.

2342
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,719
Speaker 4: Let's see happy things given from.

2343
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 3: Hollywood, j Lo and a Rod's kids don matching Pj's

2344
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:51,240
Speaker 3: and domestic guy that Ciddy Crawford makes apple pie as

2345
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 3: stars share festive snaps.

2346
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 6: Oh somebody said she not white, she Latino, but she

2347
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:56,639
Speaker 6: looked white.

2348
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so that's cool white passing Latino or something.

2349
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 3: She have some brown and I ain't trying to far

2350
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 3: be it from me to take that away from anybody,

2351
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 3: because I never would to be honest a child. I

2352
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:10,320
Speaker 3: know that's everybody else's ship that's everybody's making Margot can't

2353
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 3: be black, fucking Ashley Graham can't be Latina Like that's

2354
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 3: motherfuckers really get off on that ship. But look if

2355
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 3: you say you are, if you are with me the end, Yeah, yeah, man,

2356
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 3: fucking Michael Jackson kids black, as far as I'm concerned,

2357
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 3: lead y'all have those debates, those fruitless ass not gonna

2358
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:29,639
Speaker 3: change anything.

2359
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 4: Debates on Thanksgiving is finally hearing.

2360
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 3: Social media is a wash, with celebrities sharing festive messages

2361
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 3: and pictures of tantalizing feasts. Jennifer Lopez and boyfriend Alex

2362
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,520
Speaker 3: Rodriguez brought together their children to celebrate the holiday as

2363
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 3: a blended family, each sharing a cute snap of their kids.

2364
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 3: In the photo, j Loo's twins Max and m nine

2365
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 3: are seen posting posing with the baseball Stars daughter's Natasha

2366
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 3: thirteen and l nine.

2367
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 4: All a more, more and more, says a caption.

2368
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 6: All look at them, they ain't maching pajamas.

2369
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 4: All a rod so so good together. I would they

2370
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 4: stay together for Oh? Looking, she got that thing sitting

2371
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 4: again on the bike. She got with a brown man.

2372
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 4: She about to boot it all the way back. She

2373
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 4: was like, listen, a rod like this thing.

2374
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 3: Jin and a Rod later went to a cycle work

2375
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 3: out at Turkey at Turkey at Oh the cycle work

2376
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 3: off all that Turkey, All right, that's cool. After sharing

2377
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 3: of a pic of their magnificent tablespread, Rodriguez uploaded some

2378
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 3: snats of herself and his squeeze saddling up. Supermodel mom

2379
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 3: Cindy Crawford was hard at work in the kitchen whipping

2380
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 3: up an apple pie before getting the stuff in mix

2381
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 3: made up?

2382
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 4: How much your applepi? Do you think Sidney Crafford eat?

2383
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 6: None?

2384
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 3: I always wondered that when like models always on it

2386
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 3: seemed like models on that Instagram always trying to convince

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01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 3: people like I eat, Like that's how That's how much

2388
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 3: a struggle it is to be in that industry, because

2389
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 3: everybody's like, we know that they don't reward eating with anything.

2390
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 6: Like those hardest commercials.

2391
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 5: And I was like you with me caught daddy that bullshit.

2392
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 5: You probably bite into it and spit it out and

2393
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 5: then all right, let's do it again.

2394
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 3: If the grease get on you like I can't ounce

2395
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 3: and then some white men come out of nowhere, You're fired, bitch,

2396
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 3: you got fat?

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01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 12: Uh?

2398
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 3: The fifty one year old star showed off her impressive

2399
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 3: culinary stills, wearing a blue apron as she makes the

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01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 3: pie crust together, and so it begins the beauty catching

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01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:29,959
Speaker 3: the image of a table couple with food and ingredients.

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01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 6: All that table is gorgeous, though you know it was

2403
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 6: pumpkin on in that and that uh plate.

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01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 3: The sidney craptor making the pie crush all nugga hu

2405
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:42,840
Speaker 3: apples she put in there?

2406
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 4: How that's supposed to look? It's a lot of apples.

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01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 4: I won't see the finished product. That's her daughter.

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01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 3: There's some other nigga I don't know. Scott dizzit him

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01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 3: and his daughter. Ah all, this is so nice.

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01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 6: Ain't relaxing?

2411
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 4: No one of y'all don't care about the country.

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01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 6: I wouldn't neither.

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01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 4: Y'all having a good time. Look at all these people.

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01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 4: The Kardashians got in the mix. Scott Dizzy had house burning.

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01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 3: He shut the clippers a dooruble sunning rain two leaping

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01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 3: into his arms for a cuddle. This is why I'm

2417
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 3: thankful today. Happy Thanksgiving to all, he said. Then the

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01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 3: Kardashians took a picture together, all all these women Kardashians,

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01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 3: some of these people over along.

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01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 6: I think two of them ain't.

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01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, kill don't even look like she know them.

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01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 10: M m.

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01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 6: They were like take a picture, like, okay, okay girl, right?

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01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 4: Uh whose baby is this Tory spelling baby? Look at

2425
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 4: that little baby?

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01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 6: Oh that's precious.

2427
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 4: And then who babies this Christy Tigue's daughter Luna?

2428
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 6: All Ah, that's so prescious. That's a gorgeous picture that baby.

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01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:57,520
Speaker 3: Tristan Thompson showed off some pictures that Chloyd Kardashian made

2430
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 3: them take of her. Their food look deserves. Do the

2431
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,160
Speaker 3: Caudasians be cooking or they be ordering and stuff? Because

2432
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 3: this shit looks good.

2433
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 4: It's gotta be ordered. It looked too good.

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01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 6: I would if I had them, I wouldn't be cooking shit.

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01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 4: Mm. But you know those celebrity they be trying to

2436
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 4: prove they they cooking, y'ough.

2437
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 3: They be trying to just like you, I take my

2438
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 3: billions of dollars and put it in my conventional oven.

2439
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would be like, I'm not like you. I

2440
01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 6: actually go in and pay for people to do this shit.

2441
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 4: They gonn wanna fan myself with some money.

2442
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:28,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

2443
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, everybody was out here having good time man.

2444
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:35,360
Speaker 3: Good for you celebrities just like us having a good

2445
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 3: time on Thanksgiving.

2446
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 6: I know, isn't that precious?

2447
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 4: All right, that's it.

2448
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 3: We gotta to do some soid ratchess to get out

2449
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:45,040
Speaker 3: of here. We're up against the break. Gotta watch the Flash, everybody.

2450
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:48,720
Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow, Supergirl.

2451
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 4: Everybody. I made a mistake. I'm sorry. No, it's okay.

2452
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 4: I'll make mistakes sometimes, Karen.

2453
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 6: And we need to counsel you. I'm going to counsel you.

2454
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 4: Ten years ago I said the I like to apologize

2455
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 4: and civil to everybody. Okay, I'm not.

2456
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 5: Buying it, you trash counsel hashtag cansel rode.

2457
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 3: Years ago, when I was still developing in my politics,

2458
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 3: I said that the flash was on Monday night when

2459
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 3: I really met Supergirl.

2460
01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 4: And to all the people that I've offended.

2461
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 6: All of the j W you messed around and put

2462
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 6: the man before the woman.

2463
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 3: All the strong Kryptonian women that support me, many of

2464
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 3: many who I count among me as friends.

2465
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 4: I apologize.

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01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:58,920
Speaker 3: A man trying to imitate a TV show, tried to

2467
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 3: make his own soul and burn three city blocks.

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02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 6: Good God.

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02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:05,880
Speaker 4: Three fifty one.

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Speaker 3: Year old John Gomees from co host New York co

2471
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 3: host allegedly, you ever have two women dating at the

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02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 3: same time, then my.

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02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 4: Co host.

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02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:25,200
Speaker 6: You want to go ho, it's about one to get

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02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:25,879
Speaker 6: one free.

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02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 3: Co hos anyway, uh they he allegedly discovered that apparently

2477
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:39,440
Speaker 3: it's hard to imitate reality TV. He's seen to have

2478
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:41,720
Speaker 3: been a fan of the history show channel. Forged in

2479
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 3: Fire is a series where some of the finest blade

2480
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 3: makers in the world compete to create the finest weapons

2481
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,880
Speaker 3: from days of yr. Yes, these people can make sores

2482
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 3: just as effective as the ones on Game of Thrones,

2483
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 3: but they know what they're doing.

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02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:56,520
Speaker 4: They also know what not to do, but put other

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02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 4: people in.

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02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:01,720
Speaker 3: Danger, for example, as an albumy Times Union reports on Thursday,

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02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 3: Goones was, according to authorities, trying to bend metal over

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02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 3: a fire filled steel barrel to make a sword. It

2489
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,360
Speaker 3: seems though it was a windy day of thirty miles

2490
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 3: an hour of the flames from his bird barrel allegedly

2491
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:15,280
Speaker 3: blew far and wide.

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02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:19,480
Speaker 4: It's basic science. With it, with intimate they might thirty

2493
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 4: two billions. With that, thirty two buildings.

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02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,960
Speaker 3: Were damaged, three damn three were completely destroyed. Firefighters fought

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02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:30,000
Speaker 3: for six hours to control the blaze. Neither the co host,

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02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:33,400
Speaker 3: mayor nor the fire department immediately responded to a request

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02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 3: to comment. However, the TAZ junior Mayor, Sean Morris, himself

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02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:41,360
Speaker 3: a former firefighter, said, we often tell people we don't

2499
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 3: allow open burns in the city out to say, what's

2500
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 3: the worst that could happen. Well, this open burn just

2501
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:47,480
Speaker 3: caused millions of dollars of damage and destroy half of

2502
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:48,200
Speaker 3: our downtown.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 3: They have a population around sixteen thousand people, many of

2505
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:55,280
Speaker 3: whom were surely effective by the alleged actions.

2506
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:55,520
Speaker 4: Of one man.

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02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:58,880
Speaker 3: Guns has been charged to felony, reckless indetment and mistermeanor

2508
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,240
Speaker 3: arson and he has been jailed on fifteen thousand dollars bond.

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02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:02,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if mster Gunges meant to do it,

2510
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:06,760
Speaker 3: but it happens to the mayor Morse and the results.

2511
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:10,640
Speaker 4: Are horrendous on our community. Right, there's lots of shade.

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02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 4: He was talking just now, I guess he was talking

2513
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 4: in Morse code.

2514
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 3: Sorry, but yeah, car ads tell car ads, tell you

2515
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:25,200
Speaker 3: what stunts up performing by professionals, So please don't try

2516
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:25,640
Speaker 3: to sit home.

2517
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:29,000
Speaker 4: And it's the same with anything you see on TV. Yeah,

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02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:30,240
Speaker 4: even making a fucking sword.

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02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 10: Like I said, I don't know much about making soords,

2521
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 10: but last time, you know, whenever I see them making

2522
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 10: sure they know them making that shit inside, and that

2523
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 10: ship looked like a one of them stove ovens where

2524
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 10: it's covered up and shit.

2525
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:42,840
Speaker 6: So I don't think this is smart at all.

2526
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 3: All right, guys, talk to you all tomorrow. Thank you

2527
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 3: so much for listen to the show until then.

2528
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:47,800
Speaker 4: I love you.

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02:02:47,960 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 6: I love you too.

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Speaker 3: Wo