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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, March fourth, and we

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Speaker 2: have a stagnight of headlines. The Alexander Brothers. The saga

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Speaker 2: continues in their sex trafficking trial and witness tampering that

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Speaker 2: is at the core of it right now. Could that

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Speaker 2: possibly be the case? By the way, it appears Diddy

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Speaker 2: will be getting out of prison just a little bit early.

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Speaker 2: We will unpack all of that and why. And also

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Speaker 2: a terror card reader she's being forced to pay damages

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Speaker 2: and somehow this is all connected to the Idaho student murders,

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Speaker 2: so we will unpack that as well. But first, of course,

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Speaker 2: have Jarrett Farentino, our very favorite prosecutor with us to

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Speaker 2: answer any and all of your legal questions. I'm Stephanie

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Speaker 2: Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong. Body move in. We have

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Speaker 2: the Gentleman in the control room as well, Producer Taha, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Sam and Adam. The band is all together and if

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Speaker 2: you want to call in with any of your legal questions, ooh,

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Speaker 2: make them count. That's a good one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: every one crime. Or you can keep those talk backs coming. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to see your faces.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to see Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday. We're all yay tonight. That's so rare. We

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Speaker 2: all survived the broon, you all survived the blood moon.

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Speaker 3: My beautiful to me there in retrograde.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, we are like hitting all the spots

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Speaker 4: and we've survived it all.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy. The world seems a little wild

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Speaker 2: right now, admittedly, and if you're feeling it, that's totally appropriate.

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Speaker 2: I might, and I think we're all just feeling a

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Speaker 2: little confused and a little lost in the sauce. So welcome.

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Speaker 2: Bring all your thoughts, emotions, you got them, We would

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Speaker 2: love to hear them. And yeah, listen, Rather than packing

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Speaker 2: all of our earthquake kits and our doomsday kids, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to prescribe that we just need more. We need

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Speaker 2: let's just only think a little bit positive as we

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Speaker 2: switch skars to something deadly.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, do you guys remember being on social media

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Speaker 4: when the Idaho case happened, of course? Okay, do you

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Speaker 4: remember how I was telling Tahaba for the show. I

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Speaker 4: was like, it was insane on social media. Literally, when

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Speaker 4: you know the bodies of Madison Mogan, Kayley Consolves, Ethan Chapin,

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Speaker 4: was insane and everywhere you went, people were getting a

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Speaker 4: friends of these people, It was friends of the victims.

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Speaker 4: It was you know, the chief of police was responsible,

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Speaker 4: the boyfriend, the ex boyfriend, the sister. Everybody was getting

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Speaker 4: blamed and another person was getting blamed. And it was

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Speaker 4: a professor that taught at the university where these students

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Speaker 4: well because I was really active on TikTok during the time,

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Speaker 4: and this is where all this went down.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you what's going on with this.

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Speaker 4: So in November of twenty twenty two, when this all happened,

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Speaker 4: tarot reading influencer Ashley Guilliard, Okay, she posted a series

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Speaker 4: All right, and guess what you can't do that cannot

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Speaker 4: do that, She sued Ashley in December of twenty twenty two. Later,

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Speaker 4: So in twenty twenty four, a federal judge ruled that

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Speaker 4: Well, just last week February twenty seventh, a fed a jury.

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Speaker 4: A federal jury ordered the at Ashley pay this professor,

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Speaker 4: Rebecca Sculfield ten million dollars in damages. Wow, you guys

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Speaker 2: Million reputation your name, Like that's the only real currency.

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Speaker 4: So the ruling, well, the judgment moneyes is kind of

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Speaker 4: really defames her again, right, she's the Rebecca Scholfield. The

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? But you cannot. We do not do

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Speaker 2: that and we were really trained, really honestly, I think

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Speaker 2: real quick. You cannot accuse people of murder in the world.

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Speaker 2: You just can't speculate that. Well, maybe it is the

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Speaker 4: So if this were me and I was being you know,

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Speaker 4: it's told to pay somebody ten million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars and I was wrong, and what you.

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Speaker 4: Would see like a body move and shaped outline in

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Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like, I would literally

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Speaker 4: She made a twenty one part TikTok series calling the

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Speaker 2: Well, she just needs to be focused on her finances.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say, and maybe that's what she's doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, she's if you're monetized, right, this is all

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Speaker 4: She disputed the impartiality of several jurors and indicated she

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Speaker 4: high profile crimes, and the judge noted that Ashley Guiliard

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Speaker 4: accusations even after Moscow publicly stated the professor Skulfield was

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Speaker 4: and she was really having their relationship, Like she dug

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, just doubling down. Well, that's defamation. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess we could ask the great Jared Farantino here.

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Speaker 4: That's that's why I'm so Another reason I'm so glad

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Speaker 4: Jared's here. Jary, what do you make in this case?

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Speaker 4: And what do you feel about the amount that was awarded?

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Speaker 5: I wonder if her tarot cards told her she was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she must be a heck of a tarror card

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Speaker 5: So if you look body the way the judgment is

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Speaker 6: First of all, the lawyers for Professor Schofield really only

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Speaker 6: asked for one point five million dollars. The jury really slammed.

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Speaker 6: They slammed Ashley Guiard because they said you should be

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Speaker 6: punitive damages. So you have two kinds of damages. Compensatory damages,

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Speaker 6: which are things we're all familiar with medical bills. Maybe

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Speaker 6: Professor Schofield was getting treatment things of that nature. It

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Speaker 6: manifested itself in depression, anxiety. Sure, those kinds of things

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Speaker 6: when your conduct rises to a certain level, you get consequence.

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Speaker 5: With punitive damages. And that's what happened here. So it's

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Speaker 5: that additional six and a half for punishment. And that's

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Speaker 5: where the jury really sends a message to Ashley Guiliard.

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Speaker 5: And before she got sued, and this is typical, I

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Speaker 5: would certainly do this. The attorneys for professional Professor Schofield

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Speaker 5: sent her letter. She takes the letter onto her TikTok

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Speaker 5: continued on the defamation highway. And she's been She's now

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Speaker 5: facing a judgment of ten million. Now, Ashley Guliard does

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Speaker 5: this judgment sits, and in the event she ever recovered

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Speaker 4: So you're a normal slap like me, right, you work

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Speaker 4: You know whatever, I don't have ten million dollars. I

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Speaker 4: can't even imagine having one thousand dollars, am I You

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like, how in the world is

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Speaker 5: How do you pay this to the extent she has

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Speaker 5: limited ability to garnish and things of that nature. Now,

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Speaker 5: in a family context, in the domestic context, it's much

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Speaker 5: more aggressive for obvious reasons. I mean, these are things

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Speaker 5: civil judgments in the O. J. Simpson case, for example,

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Speaker 5: oh R. Goldian's had a judgment against O. J. Simpson

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Speaker 5: to avoid the prying eyes of the Goldmans. That's what

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Speaker 5: Ashley Guilliard will have to do in the event she

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Speaker 5: is ever in a position to recover or where she.

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Speaker 2: Got an inheritance perhaps, you know, if something ever changes

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Speaker 4: Is this something that's going to follow her. Is there

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Speaker 5: In some states there are but with a federal judgment

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Speaker 5: like this, it could be revitalized, it could be refiled,

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Speaker 5: so it is something that could follow her for decades

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Speaker 5: to come. She's not going to avoid answering for this

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Speaker 5: in the event she makes money down the road.

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Speaker 2: Body of committing a crime to it is so awful

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Speaker 2: to kind of hear like that justice was maybe not

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Speaker 2: These are awful, awful allegations, and.

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Speaker 5: There's allegations Stephanie that are actually spelled out is what

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Speaker 5: they call negligent or defamation per se. It's like, if

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Speaker 5: you do this, it's absolutely defamation. We don't even have

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Speaker 5: And you know, these folks aren't immune from prosecution because

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Speaker 2: there's a very long days in the courtroom. But again,

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Speaker 2: you're looking at the person that you're potentially putting behind

436
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Speaker 2: bars in certain cases that it feels vulnerable. Yeah, that's true.

437
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Speaker 5: I've never really read jurors. Every time I thought I

438
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Speaker 5: was reading a signal from a juror, it was the

439
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Speaker 5: total office that after. So it's hard to say, but

440
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Speaker 5: I agree it's a it's a it's a wild system,

441
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Speaker 5: but it is a system of being judged by your peers,

442
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 5: and you're exactly are not anonymous, and your peers are

443
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Speaker 5: not faceless, and they're not emotionless. So that's really that's it,

444
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 5: and it's that balance because the most important seat in

445
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 5: that court room is that jury seat. The defendant, any

446
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 5: juror may find themselves in that seat someday and have

447
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 5: to rely on the people in the jury box. So

448
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 5: that's the key to the whole thing.

449
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you made that distinction just now. It

450
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Speaker 2: actually gave me a little chill because you're so right.

451
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: You know, you have to be accountable. So again, what

452
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Speaker 2: I just suggested would be faceless and anonymous, which we

453
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: need far less of in this world. Right. It is

454
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: it's your peers, it's it's connecting. You have to see

455
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Speaker 2: a person and you recognize that this is a person

456
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Speaker 2: whose life is in your care as a juror, and yeah,

457
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Speaker 2: that should be personal and there should be some level

458
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Speaker 2: of that. So yeah, that's that's a really fair, really

459
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Speaker 2: good point, Jared.

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Speaker 5: Although prosecutors would say their chairs, their seat is the

461
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Speaker 5: most important in the Coreum, I have to put that.

462
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Speaker 2: Shocking.

463
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Speaker 3: Why don't what do you think go to Diddy?

464
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Speaker 2: I think this didy bit. I mean, come on, I

465
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: mean talk about witness intimidation. I know, Jared, we talked

466
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: about this when the Ditty case was happening, and it

467
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: seems like didn't really matter because the trial went on.

468
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Speaker 2: But now there seems to be some new developments, right Courtney, Yeah,

469
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: absolutely so.

470
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Speaker 7: Sean Diddy Goomb's prison release date has been moved up

471
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Speaker 7: by more than a month. Federal records now list April

472
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Speaker 7: twenty fifth of twenty twenty eight as the new release date.

473
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Speaker 7: He was serving fifty months in federal prison after being

474
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Speaker 7: convicted on two counts of transportation to engage in prosecution,

475
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Speaker 7: and this of course followed the very high profile trial

476
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 7: last summer. So Jared, the release date had shifted multiple times.

477
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Speaker 2: How typical is that?

478
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Speaker 7: Or we be reading anything into that, Well, it's fairly typical.

479
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 5: So what people should understand is your federal release date

480
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: is publicly listed, so it's on the website. You can

481
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: look when is this person getting out and think about

482
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Speaker 5: it as just a clock that's taking away to or

483
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: counting down to that date. Right, But that date can change.

484
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Speaker 5: There are ways that can change, like you can earn

485
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Speaker 5: good time in the federal system. So you can earn

486
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Speaker 5: up to I believe it's fifty four days for every

487
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Speaker 5: day you follow the rules in jail. Imagine that you

488
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: get points for a behaving in prison. Right you're there

489
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: because you don't behave But in any event, you can

490
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Speaker 5: earn time, and as that time is earned, that time

491
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Speaker 5: that release date is moved up, So you have that

492
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Speaker 5: that could be going on. The Other thing is there's

493
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Speaker 5: administrative or data corrections that are just procedural. Oftentimes, when

494
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Speaker 5: you get your sentence, they calculate it right to the

495
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Speaker 5: end and they don't add on that credit that you've

496
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Speaker 5: earned while you were pending trial and things of that nature.

497
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Speaker 5: So those things could happen and take the time off.

498
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Speaker 5: The other thing is you get programmed credit if you

499
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Speaker 5: were in a rehab facility for a time, and it

500
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Speaker 5: was an in patient facility for example, that may be

501
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Speaker 5: added on later. What I think we shouldn't read into

502
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Speaker 5: what's happening with Ditty is that these are the result

503
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Speaker 5: of some kind of a successful court ruling or sentence

504
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 5: reduction that we don't know about, or sweetheart deal or

505
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 5: cooperation with prosecutors, or a special privilege. It's not It's

506
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Speaker 5: just something that happens. Why we're talking about it is

507
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Speaker 5: because Ditty again is high profile and people are examining

508
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Speaker 5: that release date.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes so not much.

510
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Speaker 7: Ay here we only have about a minute and a half,

511
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 7: but really quick, Corey richins. It's another high profile trial

512
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Speaker 7: going on. So on the fourth day of that trial,

513
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Speaker 7: there was a member of the audience who has seen

514
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Speaker 7: sketching members of the jury and labeling those sketches with

515
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Speaker 7: the jury numbers. The jury was upset, put a note

516
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Speaker 7: to the judge and that person and the audience was

517
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Speaker 7: taken out. What are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 5: That's concerning because although we just said the most important

519
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: seat in that courtroom is the jurors, no one should

520
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 5: be attempting to ascertain or intimidate them, you know exactly,

521
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Speaker 5: something very as simple as I would have cases where

522
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Speaker 5: somebody would wear a shirt that says justice for lindsay

523
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Speaker 5: right with their whole thirteen people sit in the courtroom,

524
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Speaker 5: and I would say, look, I know what you're trying

525
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Speaker 5: to say, but it could be viewed as trying to

526
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Speaker 5: intimidate that jury. Be careful about the message. So when

527
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Speaker 5: someone is sketching them, what do you think a juror

528
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Speaker 5: who's already scared to death to be there, is looking

529
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Speaker 5: at that person saying, well, why do they want to

530
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Speaker 5: know my jury number? And what I look like? Nothing

531
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Speaker 5: could become of that in their mind. This could be

532
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Speaker 5: somebody just who knows it's not a good practice, And

533
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Speaker 5: I get why they were concerned. So that person would

534
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Speaker 5: I would move for that person's immediate removal. And I've

535
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Speaker 5: had people try to take pictures in the courtroom, pictures

536
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: of myself or my staff coming in and out, and

537
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: I would go bananas, because again, this is You're vulnerable

538
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 5: in those moments, and your guard is up, your back

539
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: is up. Anybody trying to intimidate you goes to the

540
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 5: next level and.

541
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Speaker 4: People get kind of like crazy about cases. Nowadays, I

542
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: definitely won't want my image out there as a jury member.

543
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Speaker 2: So I'm glad that happened. So such a big trial

544
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Speaker 2: that we've been tracking for a while now, Jarrett, that

545
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Courtney will tell you about. But this dad that I

546
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Speaker 2: bought my son a gun case found guilty for basically

547
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Speaker 2: giving a gun to his kid who allegedly was a

548
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Speaker 2: school shooter. We have so many questions about this, and

549
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: we've been debating it all weeks, so we've we've been

550
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: stacking them up for you. Jarrett Court, do you want

551
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: to give a little background, Yeah, briefly if you're not conversant.

552
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: In this case.

553
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Speaker 7: In twenty twenty four, fourteen year old Colt Gray allegedly

554
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 7: open fire inside at Balachi High School. This happened in Georgia.

555
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 7: Two students were killed, two teachers were killed on that day,

556
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 7: nine others were wounded. Now, the trial that just wrapped

557
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 7: up was for the alleged shootor's father, Colt Gray, now Colt,

558
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 7: excuse me. Colin Gray was found guilty on twenty seven

559
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Speaker 7: charges the father, and these include murder, manslaughter, and this

560
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 7: was in his role in enabling the student. What the

561
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 7: prosecutors alleged, effectively, according to the jury, was that the father,

562
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 7: Colin Gray, was criminally negligent for giving his son an

563
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 7: Ar fifteen style rifle while ignoring repeated warning signs about

564
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Speaker 7: his son's deteriorating mental health. So we're going to get

565
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Speaker 7: to the president in a second, Jared, But I think first,

566
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 7: because we debated this one, the defense's strategy, there was

567
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Speaker 7: one witness only, and that was Colin Gray. The defendant

568
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 7: take the stand. What do you think of that strategy?

569
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: You know, when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.

570
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: I think it was their only option. You know, who

571
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: could explain, who could best explain what he knew about

572
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: his son's mental state, whether he believed the gun was secure,

573
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: whether he took the threat seriously, and whether he expected violence.

574
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: Other than Colin Gray. I mean, there's just no there's

575
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: no expert that could do that for you. But there's

576
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 5: that's a high risk, high reward approach because then it

577
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: exposes him to cross examination on those very points. So

578
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: the thought is, don't call him at all, and don't

579
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 5: put him on there and expose him to those tough questions,

580
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 5: or get him on there hopefully he connects with a jurors,

581
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: maybe a parent who was overwhelmed and didn't foresee this.

582
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: So they took a gamble and it didn't pay off.

583
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Speaker 4: And I think it, well, I agree with you, obviously

584
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: didn't pay off, right, But I do think it made

585
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: him a little sympathetic a little bit. But I obviously didn't.

586
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: It didn't pay off because they only deliberated for two hours.

587
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: But I did feel a little sorry for him a

588
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: little bit. I mean, just for a moment, and I

589
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: remembered him. I'm was like, no, I'm not. I don't

590
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: feel sorry for him. But he was like, I'm a

591
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: working father, you know, I'm struggling. You know, it humanized

592
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: him a little bit.

593
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, it.

594
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Speaker 5: Was a father trying to do his best. I had

595
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Speaker 5: a case one time where a child was killed by

596
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Speaker 5: another child who got their hands on a gun that

597
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 5: was on a low shelf in a room. And dad

598
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: was working at a fast food franchise, and I remember

599
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 5: we brought dad in. He's wearing the uniform of this restaurant,

600
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 5: trying to raise this kid. Yeah, you know, you ask yourself,

601
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 5: what's the difference with that situation and the situation we

602
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 5: have here with Colin Gray. And the situation is, in

603
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: my case, it was an accident. There were no warning signs.

604
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 5: It was a dad should have put his gun, who

605
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 5: absolutely should have put his gun in another place. This

606
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 5: is a negligent act, as opposed to someone who ignored

607
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: these warning signs and put the gun in his son's hand. Right,

608
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 5: And those differences may sound nuanced or insignificant, but in

609
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 5: the law, and quite honestly, in actual life, they matter.

610
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 5: You know, and here I'm this hardened prosecutor in this world, right,

611
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 5: and I feel horrible standing over this dead child and

612
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 5: then looking at this dad who is blaming himself but

613
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: under the law, was not ultimately arrested or charged.

614
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Speaker 2: The Okay, so the other does that is hard. That's

615
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: a hard thing. I didn't come back from that as

616
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Speaker 2: a heartbreaker. Jesu louis sad.

617
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Speaker 7: Okay, regarding the trial, right, what president do you think

618
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 7: that the verdict might set.

619
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Speaker 5: Well, I think it sets the same president that the

620
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 5: Crumbly case set. When a parent should have known or

621
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: knew that their child posted danger, when they provide access

622
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 5: to a firearm and they fail to act despite those

623
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: warning signs and death results. There is a law and

624
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: a system that will hold them accountable because these are intentional,

625
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 5: deliberate acts that lead to death. They're not accidents and

626
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: their tragedies and you could look at these situations. They're

627
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 5: not saying, Dad, you're a fortune teller and you knew

628
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: this was absolutely gonna happen all the time. But you

629
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: should have known, and you didn't do what needed to

630
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 5: be done to protect your child. You were in the

631
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: best position to prevent these debts. You didn't do it

632
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 5: in two hours, like Boddy said, buddy, who's tougher than you. Right,

633
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 5: you're looking at this saying I can feel for this

634
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: guy despite that two hours, because that dury was shown

635
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 5: the image of children. They know, baby, young kids are dead,

636
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 5: and they're dead as a result of this man's deliberate

637
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 5: act of buying his kid in Ar fifteen, despite the

638
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 5: mental health issues and ignoring warning signs.

639
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I really felt for the sister that now found guilty.

640
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: Dad has a daughter whose brother is also now about

641
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: to stand trial Cold Gray for the murder of the

642
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: four you know, tragedy, What a tragedy. But I feel

643
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: so terrible for her because a she's you know, her

644
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: little you know, her brother's now not going to be

645
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: in the mix, you know, losing her dad. But the

646
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: idea that she had to testify and her testimony was

647
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: extremely significant. I think, if anything, was probably the most

648
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: significant testimony to be had, where she basically acknowledged that

649
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: her dad, you know, did know that her brother had

650
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Speaker 2: a former school shooter and was idolizing this person and

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Speaker 2: had that, you know, a collage to a school shooter

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Speaker 2: on his bedroom wall, and that he knew that there

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Speaker 2: was troubles and that they were escalating fights happening, you know,

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Speaker 2: again and again and again. So that's a bigger spot.

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Speaker 5: And has to testify against her own dad, her own dad.

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Speaker 5: That's mean faith. But these are those cases that they're complicated,

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Speaker 5: you know. I wish the cases were all, you know,

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Speaker 5: crystal clear, good guy over here, bad guy over here.

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Speaker 5: It's the ones that are gray that are the toughest.

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Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what are the toughest cases. When

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Speaker 5: the defendant was not the slayer, When the defendant cause

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Speaker 5: the death somehow indirectly, but their finger was not on

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Speaker 5: the trigger. They're the ones you got to really be creative.

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Speaker 8: You got to tell that story and you got to

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Speaker 8: bring it home with the evidence and just pound that

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Speaker 8: theme so hard because people always say, but they're not

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Speaker 8: the killer, they didn't cause you got to get them

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Speaker 8: over that hump. But at the end, look, I think

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Speaker 8: this guy's responsible. I think he should be held accountable.

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Speaker 8: But I ever felt like Spike in the football when

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Speaker 8: I walked out.

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Speaker 5: Of those pieces, I felt my feelings were complicated. There

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Speaker 5: was happiness and I felt like there was some vindication,

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Speaker 5: but at the same time, I'm like, this isn't a

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Speaker 5: great situation.

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Speaker 7: It's awful, right, Yeah, well, oh, I was gonna Stephanie,

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Speaker 7: I'm so glad you brought up the alleged shooter's sister's

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Speaker 7: testimony because I actually have a legal question about it.

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Speaker 7: So on the stand, what the defendant's daughter said was

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Speaker 7: that her dad, before she spoke to the police right

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Speaker 7: after the shooting occurred, Dad told her, hey, don't tell

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Speaker 7: them I knew about the shrine, and don't downplay stuff

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Speaker 7: to lie, which she then did in her statement. So

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Speaker 7: she lied in her statement. I just explained the circumstances

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Speaker 7: and then corrected it on the stand. Is there anything

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Speaker 7: legally like that you would be I don't know. Is

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Speaker 7: that a legal complication or is it not?

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Speaker 5: It's great evidence to use against Dad. You're saying, is

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Speaker 5: it witness intimidation or perjury or anything like that? Is

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Speaker 5: that what you're asking.

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Speaker 7: Because she lied to the cops, she was also a

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Speaker 7: child to cover to cover from her.

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Speaker 5: So you're saying when the sister said that Dad had

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Speaker 5: originally told her not to say it, and she complied

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Speaker 5: with dad's requests, she wasn't under oath, So it's not perjury. Okay,

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Speaker 5: could it be false reports to law enforcement? Arguably yes.

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Speaker 5: But the reality is, when you look at the totality

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Speaker 5: of a situation like this, she's going to be a

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Speaker 5: better witness uncharged. You address what You address this thing

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Speaker 5: straight on. People can understand what she did. She's dealing

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Speaker 5: with this horrific, shocking situation. She's going to listen to

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Speaker 5: her father. There are portions of that story that almost

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Speaker 5: make it more credible for the jury. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I get it now, and he was so worried about

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Speaker 5: it actually helps the prosecution's case because I just found

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Speaker 5: in that like, Dad knew he's telling you, he's telegraphing.

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Speaker 5: He knew he's going to be held responsible. He did

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Speaker 5: your work for you. He knew so much ahead of time.

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Speaker 5: He's telling his own daughter to lie of the police

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, thank you for that. If you're just

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Speaker 7: joining this is true, Kranz. Today we were just talking

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Speaker 7: about the verdict in the Collin Gray case, and now

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Speaker 7: body you I think we're going to talk about Corey Richins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So today was day eight in the murder trial of

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Speaker 4: Corey Richins in Summit County, Utah. Prosecutors have continued to

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Speaker 4: argue that Corey Richards poisoned her husband Eric Richards bi fentanyl,

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Speaker 4: and that she was motified by both financial difficulty and

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Speaker 4: her you know, social and extra marital affair. Corey Richards,

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Speaker 4: she's thirty five years old, and she faces charges including

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Speaker 4: aggravated murder, attempted criminal homicide, insurance and insurance fraud. Right, So,

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Speaker 4: Corey Richard and her defense team of course deny the allegation,

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Speaker 4: insisting that the evidence is largely circumstantial and you know,

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Speaker 4: very inconsistent. So we've covered the trial up until day three.

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Speaker 4: This is day eight. On day four, the former housekeeper,

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Speaker 4: her name was Carmen Lauber. She testified that she bought

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Speaker 4: illegal drugs for Corey Richins multiple times wow, including fentanyl Wow,

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Speaker 4: at Corey Richards's request. The next day, day five, the

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Speaker 4: defense attacked this witness, this former housekeeper's testimonies consistency. I'm

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Speaker 4: just giving a quick rundown. Day six, which was over

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Speaker 4: you know, the weekend happened, and then day six was

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Speaker 4: on Monday. A business partner's wife testified that Corey Richards

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Speaker 4: said that she felt trapped in her marriage and jurors

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Speaker 4: also heard that Corey Richins called the Summit County Medical

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Speaker 4: Examiner's office and she wanted a supplemental toxicology report after

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Speaker 4: you know, the autopsy, showing that she was actively seeking

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Speaker 4: these detailed results on all the substances that were found

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Speaker 4: in her husband's system. Forensic phone analysis also revealed that

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Speaker 4: Corey Richand's search for topics like how do I delete

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Speaker 4: my iPhone messages, death benefit payouts, and fetnyl poisoning. Day seven,

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Speaker 4: which was yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just horrible.

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Speaker 4: I know. Day seven, which was yesterday, awful. They started

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Speaker 4: going into the financial stuff. Day seven, a forensic accountant

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Speaker 4: testified that Corey richinds her real estate business was in

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Speaker 4: severe financial distress with about eight million dollars ode and

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Speaker 4: that Corey Richins spent roughly half of the one point

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Speaker 4: three million dollars from insurance pants like right after Eric died.

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Speaker 4: So today was day eight and the insurance rep testified

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Speaker 4: and said that Corey rich and I'm sorry. An insurance

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Speaker 4: rep testify about Corey Richan's switches on her husband's businesses,

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Speaker 4: life insurance policies and additional personal policies that paid out

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Speaker 4: after his death. Corey Richards also ensures multiple times, uh

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Speaker 4: you know, and acknowledges that the fentanyl that killed her

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Speaker 4: husband was not prescribed to him, although Corey Richins claims

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Speaker 4: she doesn't know where it came from.

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Speaker 2: So that was the quick, excellent job.

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Speaker 4: What has happened over the last five days, so legally,

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Speaker 4: in addition to the murder charges, Corey is also being

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Speaker 4: tied for or tried for insurance fraud and forgery. Okay,

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Speaker 4: how do prosecutors balance presenting evidence for all of these charges,

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Speaker 4: because obviously murder is the top charge, right, murders the

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Speaker 4: top charge. How do they balance how much time to

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Speaker 4: give to what?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a great question, and you do prioritize, obviously

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Speaker 5: the more serious and involved charges. But when you're talking

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Speaker 5: about fraud and forgery, what really is involved there? Her dishonesty,

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Speaker 5: her lack of credibility. So again the only thing they

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Speaker 5: have is to say, hey, Corey Richins is telling the truth.

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Speaker 5: She has this position, she didn't do this right. Well, again,

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Speaker 5: she's a forgerer's she's a insurance fraudster. She's not someone

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Speaker 5: to be believed. So although they are minimized crimes or

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Speaker 5: less serious crimes. They are critical to destroying her credibility,

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Speaker 5: which is why they're charged. That's exactly They're called criminal

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Speaker 5: falsey crimes, and that's why they're charged. You know, we're

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Speaker 5: talking about feeling a little pause for Colin Gray. There's

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Speaker 5: no pause for somebody.

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Speaker 2: Like right, she wrote books about.

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Speaker 5: Grieving for her, youryonomic witness who was just there to

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Speaker 5: talk about the sale of the big mansion and all

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Speaker 5: that stuff. The defense attorney asked her an open question,

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Speaker 5: She said, did you see anything in that record that

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Speaker 5: would suggest she's responsible? She said, well, she did describe

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Speaker 5: being married as inconvenient.

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Speaker 2: So, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 5: This experts just carried you with an open by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, she was like on the Today Show too, like

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Speaker 2: she did a big round promoting that book. I remember

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Speaker 2: seeing it in my heart really felt for her, and

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Speaker 2: it was all a bunch of noise, shame and shame. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

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Speaker 7: Listen, stick around, Jarrett Farantino will be with us and

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Speaker 7: he is going to help us break down the recent

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Speaker 7: Epstein depositions from Bill and Hillary Clinton. Keep in mind

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Speaker 7: we're on five nights a week. I'd love to hear

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Speaker 7: from you True Croud tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong. Body move in, and we have legalese

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Speaker 2: in the house. Jareded Farentino, our favorite prosecutor, joins us

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Speaker 2: to answer any and all of your legal questions. We've

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Speaker 2: been stacking them up. Let's go to a talkback real quick.

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Speaker 9: Hello, ladies, Taha, Dam and Adam. I have a question

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Speaker 9: for Jarrett Barantino about Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton giving

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Speaker 9: their deposition to Congress. So like before they were going

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Speaker 9: to be held in contempt of Congress, how is that

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Speaker 9: similar or difference being held in contempt of court? And

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Speaker 9: then if they lie during this deposition. So Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 9: claims she didn't know Jeffrey Epstein at all, but say

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Speaker 9: a picture comes out at least files with her in

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Speaker 9: the same room as him, or even in a picture

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Speaker 9: with him, is it similar to her during yourself on

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Speaker 9: the stand in court? Just curious how this works, because

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Speaker 9: I'm also confused by Congress's role with because they're the

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Speaker 9: legislative branch of the government, not the judicial branch. She

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Speaker 9: would be great to be explainer broken down a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Thanks everyone, what a good question for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, but that's a really, really great question.

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Speaker 2: I would never have been able to articulate that so well.

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Speaker 2: But like low key, totally have the same question.

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Speaker 3: I'm sad for this answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it, Jared, you.

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Speaker 5: Have the smartest listeners. I have someone who's even making

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Speaker 5: that distinction and his concern and wants to know the answer.

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Speaker 5: So basically they sound the same. Contempt of Congress contempt

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Speaker 5: of court. Contempt is contempt, right, But as she said,

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Speaker 5: they're different branches of government. So contempt of Congress is

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Speaker 5: when someone refuses to comply with a lawful congressional subpoena,

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Speaker 5: like Steve Bannon who went to jail for that. Okay, exactly,

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Speaker 5: here's what happens, though. It's governed under the law, and basically,

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Speaker 5: if you're voted to be held in contempt of Congress,

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Speaker 5: they refer the matter to the Department of Justice because

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Speaker 5: they're the legislative branch, which was pointed out, they don't

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Speaker 5: have the ability to take you and put you in

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Speaker 5: jail or to prosecute you. They only say this person

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Speaker 5: was to appear before us. Here's the documentation. They failed

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Speaker 5: to do so, Department of Justice, you can do something

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Speaker 5: about it, and ultimately it's up to them. Contempt of

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Speaker 5: court is different. That's someone who actually disobeys a court

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Speaker 5: order or disrupts a court proceeding, and a judge can

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Speaker 5: throw your butt right in jail immediately, and it takes

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Speaker 5: place in a court room typically, or is the result

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Speaker 5: of a court order if you and a judge typically

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Speaker 5: finds you initially. I mean, I've been found in contempt

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Speaker 5: of court on more than an occasion. I've been fined

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Speaker 5: to jail, I've been threatened to but have not gone

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Speaker 5: to jail. I think the judge is still kidding. But

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Speaker 5: I have been fined and had to bread a check.

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Speaker 2: But that because you went bananas as you said, Is

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Speaker 2: that when you went bananas on somebody as you were

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Speaker 2: trying to leave the courthouse, Is that that went down?

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Speaker 3: No, that was asking for a friend.

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Speaker 5: But the second part, the second part of the question

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Speaker 5: is also really good, and it's is lying to Congress

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Speaker 5: the same as perjury. First of all, it's twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: six and were still talking about the Clinton's lying.

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Speaker 2: It's under I know, it's almost like hilarious that we're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like a decade.

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Speaker 5: Honest, I say, I'm just watching Hillary Clinton Answery's questions,

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Speaker 5: like she's still kind of got it. She can handle herself.

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Speaker 2: No, but the only buddy that I'm scared of is her.

862
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Speaker 2: Right when she's like, really is this the line of questioning,

863
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's.

864
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 6: Like you.

865
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: Could hear the question or like their voice like starts

866
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: to like a little bit kind of stutter a little bit, because.

867
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 5: Fancy Mace held her own. But it was quite a

868
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 5: quite a fensing match to watch.

869
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: It was.

870
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 5: So the question was if ultimately it was determined that

871
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: she was lying. So, if it was determined that Hillary

872
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 5: Clinton or Bill Clinton lied under oath, that's perjury. Okay,

873
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 5: they're under oath, they're lying to a government body. That

874
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 5: is perjury. Now the next question was what if it's

875
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 5: learned that she's in a picture or is it a

876
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 5: party with Epstein? I promise you this, a picture in

877
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 5: that situation may not be worth a thousand words, right

878
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 5: because how many pictures has Hillary Clinton taken with so

879
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 5: And I'm not defending whether or not she knew Epstein,

880
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 5: but that picture may not be dispositive of whether or

881
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 5: not she knows him. So this is somebody she posed

882
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 5: with at a fundraiser. You know, she was pretty definitive.

883
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 5: I don't know this guy. If I'm at a party

884
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: with him or take a picture with him, I don't

885
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: know that that's going to be enough to prove perjury. Now,

886
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 5: if there were provable contacts, phone calls, recorded phone calls,

887
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 5: you know, witnesses to meetings that may.

888
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: Walk that back interesting and same, I would assume for

889
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: a Bill Clinton too, because again he's saying I don't

890
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: know him. We weren't that, you know, he was, you know,

891
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: pretty denied, denied, deny. All that to be said. Why

892
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: was Hillary Clinton specifically brought in? In your opinion, is

893
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: there a legal reason. Do you think she was there

894
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: because she was the former secretary of State or a

895
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: former running mate of President Trump, or because she was

896
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: just acting as Bill Clinton's you know wife.

897
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 5: Well, I think all of the above. I think you

898
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: can't ignore the politics of the situation and who you know,

899
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 5: President Trump is in charge now and has the majority

900
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 5: in Congress. They're brought in. They're the folks that are

901
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 5: deciding who to bring in. So they kind of control

902
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 5: the narrative. Now, does that mean there was no one

903
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 5: that legitimately believed that Hillary Clinton may have had information

904
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 5: that would lead to discoverable information on Epstein. Sure, I

905
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 5: think there was a possibility there, But I also think

906
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 5: they really want to ask her those questions about Bill

907
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 5: Clinton and about his extramarital affairs, and thinking, look, Hillary

908
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: Clinton has given to Donald Trump as good as she's

909
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: gotten it, so.

910
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: Yidable they're in.

911
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: That is very true.

912
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: It did seem like it was a humiliation routine. Do

913
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: you think Milania would be called in as well for

914
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: the similar scenario if President Trump has asked, I wouldn't.

915
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 5: Bet on it. I wouldn't bet on it. I just

916
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 5: sit there and watch, Like we have a bridge in

917
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 5: our town that needs to be fixed. I'm like, why

918
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 5: is no one fixing the bridge?

919
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 10: Like?

920
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: Thank you?

921
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 5: You know, we're talking to somebody who clearly doesn't have

922
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 5: any information on this thing.

923
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: Exactly.

924
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: Is there any situation where Hillary Clinton would have been

925
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 4: able to use spousal privilege?

926
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 11: Like you know, Oh good question, Oh, really good question.

927
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 5: So yes, if they were asking her for an actual

928
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 5: representation or statement that Bill Clinton made to Hillary Clinton

929
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 5: in the context of their marriage, when they're having a

930
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 5: conversation privately, she could assert a spousal I.

931
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 2: Just wasn't sure if that worked in front of Congress,

932
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: like it does?

933
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: You know?

934
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know?

935
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I would. I would think that she was

936
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 5: still be able to assert her attorney client privilege, her

937
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: constitutional rights, and the spousal privilege. I've not seen anyone

938
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 5: personally assert that privilege before Congress, but I don't see

939
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 5: why it wouldn't apply.

940
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I just wonder.

941
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 4: And then when we're the question of our talkback. By

942
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 4: the way, thank you for that talkback. It was excellent

943
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: when you were answering her about you know, the difference

944
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: between you know, the judicial and the legislative brands and whatnot.

945
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 4: So they send it over to the DOJ. They're like,

946
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: you know, this person didn't show up there in contempt

947
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: of Congress whatever. The DOJ can then decide to pursue

948
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 4: it or not. Is that true?

949
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yes?

950
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 5: Yes, so that is they don't they're not compelled just

951
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 5: because they receive the referral from Congress. Okay, and Bannon

952
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 5: spent I think ninety days in jail he did, yeah,

953
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 5: for contempt of Congress, So so.

954
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: The DJ could get it be like, yeah, we don't care, okay,

955
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: all right. You know, one thing that a lot of

956
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: people had made mention of is just the fact that

957
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton she didn't take the fifth right, so she

958
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: completed it. She hung in there, you know, regardless of

959
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: where your politics are or aren't. It seems like now

960
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: there's more of these subpoenas going out or more people

961
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: are being asked to go in front of the House

962
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: Oversight Committee, including now Pam Bondy as of just a

963
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: few hours ago. In that scenario, would she also be

964
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: compelled to have to appear based on the fact that

965
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: Hillary and Bill Clinton did? Does that kind of open

966
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 2: the floodgates a little bit to the expectation that all right,

967
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: everyone's going to play all in line them up? Is

968
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: that possible?

969
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 5: Well, Pam Bondy will have to appear, and if anybody

970
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 5: saw her testimony from a few weeks ago, that would

971
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 5: be an interesting thing to see. But so she will appear.

972
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 5: The question is, do the does the fact that the

973
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 5: Clintons didn't assert some kind of privilege in your to

974
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 5: Pam Bondy? No, I mean, she still has the right

975
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 5: for whatever, and they want to talk to her because

976
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 5: of the statement she had made, representations she made prior

977
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 5: to the release of the records, I would assume, so.

978
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: Right, or just like the lack of transparency or how

979
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: the Transparency Act has not been fully you know, we're

980
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: still missing half of the files.

981
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 5: So I would imagine Pam Bondi is going to answer

982
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 5: their questions. I don't foresee her taking the fifth I

983
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 5: don't believe she believes she did anything criminal. I certainly

984
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 5: would hope she didn't. Hope not. But ye, but she's

985
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 5: not bound because the Clintons did not.

986
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: Under And she's the she's the highest lawyer in the land.

987
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: Is that right?

988
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 5: She is. She's the top cop in the country.

989
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 4: Right, she's the top Yeah, right, she's the top cop,

990
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 4: the top lawyer in the country. She doesn't personally represent

991
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: the president, though she basically represents the office.

992
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

993
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 5: Or that is correct? So the president is not personally

994
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 5: she's not personal counsel to the president. She's essentially the

995
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: top prosecute uter who oversees the FBI, the ATF, all

996
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 5: those departments, all the federal agencies, and the prosecutions they pursue.

997
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 5: So so she can't use not counsel to the president.

998
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 4: She can she use client attorney privilege with any I

999
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: guess I really don't know what I'm asking.

1000
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: No, I know we're saying the president if the President

1001
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: and she had private conversations, Yeah.

1002
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 5: If they ask her about private conversations she may or

1003
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: may not have had with President Trump. Is there some

1004
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 5: kind of privilege she could assert?

1005
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what.

1006
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 5: It would not be attorney client privilege. It may be

1007
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 5: some executive presidential privilege.

1008
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I understand.

1009
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, which I know she's not his lawyer and he

1010
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: and it's clear, I mean, President Trump has a team

1011
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 5: of lawyers that that are his personal counsel, so she

1012
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: is not that. So it wouldn't be as we say,

1013
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 5: the AC privilege attorney client privilege. It would be some

1014
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 5: kind of privilege that would protect the president under his

1015
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 5: executive office. I would think, if anything, I.

1016
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: Don't think it's going to play that way. I just

1017
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 4: I'm nosy and I wanted to know.

1018
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 7: Okay, No, that will be something to watch.

1019
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: Hit a talkback talk back.

1020
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, good evening, everybody. It's Cynthia from Canada calling. I

1021
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 12: just wanted to mention about Epstein I would be really

1022
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 12: curious to know what the link with the visas were

1023
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 12: and how many people actually are tied into that kind

1024
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 12: of scheme that was alluded to during the conversation with

1025
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 12: one of the survivors last week. Thanks, have a great night,

1026
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 12: Take care by.

1027
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's my favorite question. Yeah, right, yeah, that's like

1028
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: a category that I'm in knee deep with. Research wise,

1029
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of passport chatter within these files. So

1030
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: for certain, it appears, I shouldn't say for certain, it

1031
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: appears based on these files that there were, in fact,

1032
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: some negotiations made on behalf of some of the girls

1033
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: that were in Epstein's you know world that got some

1034
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, privilege in their passports, and we're able to

1035
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: get passports when you know most would not be able to.

1036
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 5: And that's just another ruse, he used. I mean, if

1037
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 5: that proves to be true, it was I could make

1038
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 5: you Victoria's secret model, I can get you citizenship, and

1039
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 5: that therein lies part of the vulnerability of the victims

1040
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 5: in the case. Right, So you have someone who is

1041
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 5: vulnerable because either they're seeking this career advancement and you're

1042
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 5: somebody in a position of power, the visus if that

1043
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 5: was the case, someone who's fleeing a country, an oppressive

1044
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 5: country to come here and you're holding that over them, boy,

1045
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 5: that's that's taking it to the next level.

1046
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: So bad.

1047
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 7: And it also appears that epstein co conspirator Jean Luke Brunell,

1048
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 7: he was the guy from France who was found.

1049
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: The modeling agency, right, Elita Models, Elite Models, like it's

1050
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: one of the most sensational, most iconic Aileen Ford and

1051
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: Elite Models, those were the most iconic modeling agencies period.

1052
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 7: Right, And he was very close with Epstein and was

1053
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 7: indeed sponsoring Eastern European models under these verses to enable it.

1054
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: So it was I mean it was one of his

1055
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: other co conspirators, Jeffrey Epstein's co conspiutors, allegedly, you know,

1056
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: she was given a deal even by the government, and

1057
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: when part of that deal for her to you know,

1058
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: give some information over to the government was to make

1059
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: sure that she was able to stay within the US. Again,

1060
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: look at the times where we're in right now, it's

1061
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: like it's hard to I guess the thing with the

1062
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: Epstein files, what I find so I guess really justsregulating

1063
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: outside of the obvious, which is the trafficking in the

1064
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: human element, in the horrible carnage that we're finding. It's

1065
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: really just hearing sort of the very casual chatter, seeing

1066
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: the very casual chatter that feels very real time between

1067
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: some players that we that we know that are influencing

1068
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: us in the world. It's crazy. So again, more on

1069
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: this to come. But Jared, what do you anticipate next.

1070
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Do you think we'll see another dump of these files

1071
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: or maybe we won't.

1072
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 5: It's hard to say. I mean it changes day to

1073
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 5: day too. At one point they were saying there's two

1074
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 5: million more documents to come out in addition to the three,

1075
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 5: and then there's representations that there's no more documents. A

1076
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 5: couple months ago they were saying there's no list, you know,

1077
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 5: So I.

1078
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: Suspect the goal keeps changing.

1079
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Speaker 5: I don't know if we're going to see it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The last I had heard or have been told is

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Speaker 2: that there were you know, two and a half million

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01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: more that we're not released. And then the DJ has

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Speaker 2: now officially said that they are not releasing anymore. That

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Speaker 2: might change based on these upcoming conversations, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: and by the way. I don't know that we at

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Speaker 2: this we need the and chunks because I feel like

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Speaker 2: it's really doing a doozy on the whole country or

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Speaker 2: the whole world. Frankly, reading this stuff, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: really hard on the system, and I almost like recommend

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01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: people don't because it's so activating, Like, let us get

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Speaker 2: activated and we'll try to download you with really clear

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: information when we have it all vetted. But just kind

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: of picking and choosing and seeing these grizzly things out

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Speaker 2: of context is also really rough on the mental health.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, fair words, Jarrett, it's time we have to thank

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Speaker 7: you so much for all of your time joining us tonight.

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01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 7: You make all of these senses, make paste for anyone

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Speaker 7: who wants more. Jared Barentino. Follow him on Instagram at

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01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 7: Jarrett Farentino and pre order his book Mother's Murders and Motivation.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. We're

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01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong. Body move in and yes we have

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01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: the gentleman in the control room too. Ta has with us,

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: our favorite producer, and of course we have Sam and

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01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: Adam in the control room waiting for your call. So

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Speaker 2: let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 10: Hi, Chka, this is Mary Kay, Cincinnati, Ohio. So I

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 10: just wanted to throw out there you had mentioned about

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 10: Uber drivers, and there's actually an Instagram and I think

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Speaker 10: the guys I looked it up.

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Speaker 7: It's the big old.

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Speaker 10: Texan family and he actually recorded him felt in a

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01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 10: one way conversation. So if you get into an Uber

1115
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 10: and are uncomfortable he is pointing to it, you can

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 10: actually put it on speaker like you're talking to somebody

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01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 10: at home that's waiting for you and asking you what

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Speaker 10: kind of car you're in. Something passing along to all

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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 10: those girls and guys. Thanks having great, what a great

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Speaker 10: thank you for that tip.

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Speaker 2: You know what, that is a great tip. So we're

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: saying just to reiterate, that's a really clever tip because

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Speaker 2: and also you don't want to ever drink anything from

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Speaker 2: a car. So if an Uber driver, even the nicest

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Speaker 2: of drivers, that's a big alert that we see this

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Speaker 2: a lot. You do not drink any water, any little

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: those cute little bottles that are in the uber where

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Speaker 2: you're not accusing Uber drivers of drugging people, but that

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Speaker 2: has been that has been a real sketchy thing. I

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Speaker 2: also we're working on another project that had a case

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01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: that stuck with me that I want to make sure

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Speaker 2: I share too now that we're talking about it. It's

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01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 2: just like a common thing that has been coming up

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Speaker 2: with law enforcement that if somebody's driving, if you're driving

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Speaker 2: your car by yourself on a road, like we were

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Speaker 2: talking about the Shannon Brannigan case, you know, we were

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Speaker 2: talking about that yesterday. You're just driving down the road

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01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 2: and you see a car come up behind you. There's

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01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: like a new scam that the car behind you will

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: like bump you a little bit, like not crash into you,

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: but just bump you a little bit enough that it

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01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: would make you stop to check your car, you know,

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01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: to make sure that you didn't have your backfender busted.

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01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: And so this girl was, you know, recounting how this

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01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: had just happened and that there's been a real uptick

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01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: with law enforcement for this exact same scam where the

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: expectation is that everybody stops their car. And then these

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: guys were like, hey, come out here, come out here,

1149
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: check out your car. Check out your car. And the

1150
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: ideas you're not supposed to get out of your car

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: to walk over to check it out, because that's how

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01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: trafficking stuff is happening. Snatch you. It is so horrifying,

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Speaker 2: and do not get in the car. If you can

1154
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: get loud, get loud, get loud, get so loud, get

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: a kick, a screen bite. Yeah, like whatever you can do,

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: make yourself throw up, if you have to pee on

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01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: your pants. It sounds horrible, but that.

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Speaker 13: Is really only do that involuntarily, of course, but you know,

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Speaker 13: whatever it is, nobody wants like the thrower up girl

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Speaker 13: who's been peeing on herself and is really loud and annoying,

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01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 13: so that would likely scare that person off.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm repeating this. Let's not get

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: no one's goot trafficked, but you know, just so we're

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01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: talking about some like real time solves. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 11: What do you suggest, Like, what do you think if

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01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 11: you are hit by someone behind? Like do you keep

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 11: your window closed and just say I'm calling the police

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 11: or question wondering what you should do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if anybody ever follows you back too. So in

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Speaker 2: the first example that I gave, when this car head

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: to the small tap and she was recalling this, she

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Speaker 2: got a bad feeling and then she scooted it off,

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: but she didn't go home. So if somebody's possibly following

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Speaker 2: you home, just get keep an eye out, just go

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Speaker 2: to it. And obviously go to the grocery store where

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Speaker 2: it's public and there's a lot of people, and go

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Speaker 2: right into the store. Just don't go directly to your house.

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Speaker 2: And then secondarily, if in fact you really are rear ended,

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Speaker 2: who hasn't been there, Yeah, stay in a car, call

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01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: nine one one, or try to pull over to some

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: place that is well lit and is public and there's

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Speaker 2: other people there.

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Speaker 4: I live in Nevada, and they won't come out unless

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Speaker 4: it's a serious accident. Okay, So if you live in

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Speaker 4: a state like that, drive to the nearest police station.

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Speaker 2: Hm smart, or go to the local publics, you know,

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Speaker 2: grocery store and like, ask for somebody here here.

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Speaker 4: You could scream and holler and literally nobody would listen,

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Speaker 4: nobody would pay attention.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. I would go to the police station. Yeah,

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01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: it's a great call because you're in Las Vegas. Of course,

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01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: by the way, here, it's funny in the Nashville of

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Speaker 2: it all. The community is so wonderful Honestly, people really

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: do look out for They really do look out for

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: you and make sure that you know, everyone get in

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Speaker 2: the car. I've seen more, you know, elderly women being

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Speaker 2: helped into cars by strangers in the last forty eight hours.

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Speaker 2: I might add, I feel like I note so many

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Speaker 2: people just really just kind of doing the right thing

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01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: when absolutely nobody is looking except for me. I'm looking.

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01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: But I've been so encouraged by the human spirit. I

1202
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: know the world seems so intense, but really, on the

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01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: day to day, in the smallest ways, you can make

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: such an impact on people. And I'm noticing that real

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01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: time every day people are doing it, Like they're showing

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: up and like bringing people stuff or leaving cookies for people,

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01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: or helping with the yard work, you know, all the stuff.

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01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: So I don't know, buy your you know, buy your veteran.

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: If you see a veteran online, please buy them a

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: you know, coffee or a meal. If you're online somewhere

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01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: you know, or do pull a body and buy the

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01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: coffee for the person online behind you then gets screwed

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01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: like me in a thirty five dollars. But that's karma.

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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: You have some karma in the Bank was so mad.

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01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: You're like, woman, I'm trying to spread joy anyway, I

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01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: would never be able to show myself there again, I

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Speaker 2: had to be.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to another talk pack.

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Speaker 14: All right, Hello, this is dry day. So I went

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 14: down the Black Doahlia rabbit hole and I listened to

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01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 14: the Root of People and it's about the George Hodell story.

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 14: And your daughter has linked George Hodell to the Black

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01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 14: Dahlia murder. And it's very interesting when you listen to

1224
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 14: this because it's a daughter that was adopted because she

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 14: thought she was African American, which she wasn't. And as

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01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 14: she goes to find her mother, she's finding out how

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01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 14: warped her family was and how lucky that she.

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,879
Speaker 9: Did not grow up with the family.

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Speaker 14: And George Hodell somehow is linked to the Black Dahlia.

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01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 14: His son was a detective for La County and he

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01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 14: went down the rabbit hole as well and realized that

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Speaker 14: his dad could have done this to the I believe

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Speaker 14: it's Elizabeth Short. Sorry if I got the name wrong.

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Speaker 14: Thanks again, have a good one.

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Speaker 2: So Goodabeth Short or smart? You know Elizabeth Short. Of course,

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 2: by the way, I interviewed Steve Hodell, so George Hodell

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01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 2: is the alleged you know, killers of Lama. Also, you

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01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: know there's been some connective tissue to him and potentially

1239
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 2: the zodiac. Oh, that's a very we should have Steve

1240
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 2: Hodell on. So I did like a thousand hour interview

1241
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: with Steve Hodell once, and Courtney was like, seriously, can

1242
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: this interview be any longer? It couldn't. It was impossible.

1243
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: It was like the longest interview in history. Honestly it was.

1244
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: I just couldn't stop because he was so interesting. And

1245
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: so Steve Hodell, he's like a retired lapd and he's

1246
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: doing lapd stuff. This is many many years ago, putting

1247
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: bad guys away, and you know, somehow I'll abbreviate. He

1248
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: finds as an investigator, a detective, finds some old information

1249
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: about his father, his own birth father, from his stepmother,

1250
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 2: and in it he sees a photograph and to him,

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: it ponjured up the Dalai Lama enough, So I mean

1252
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: at the Dalai Lama, the black Dahlia, gosh, talk about

1253
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: opposite land. And then he started doing his own investigation

1254
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: ultimately into his own father, and it's pretty compelling, and

1255
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 2: he knows a lot.

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01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 4: Of receipts, Stephanie, when you were dealing with the tree

1257
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 4: in your house. I did a deep dive into the

1258
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 4: black dahlia on the show. Oh and we had, of course,

1259
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 4: we had to run a fear and we talked about

1260
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,440
Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, we should.

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: Have Steve hodel On.

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 4: I think about that too. Yeah, we talked about that too,

1263
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 4: about getting him on the show. I think that would

1264
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 4: be great.

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01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me add that to the list, because he's

1266
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: so interesting and so informant.

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01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 4: I would do it no justice, right, And we talked

1268
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 4: about the Zodiac stuff too.

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I imagine? So this guy who's an investigator

1270
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: by trade for his entire life comes to the finds

1271
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: that his own la in La may have been He

1272
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: believes deeply the black dahlia, and now also has a

1273
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: lot of connective tissue to believing his father was a

1274
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: Zodiac killer. By the way, I was like, there's no

1275
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 2: way that this is possible. So why I sit down

1276
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 2: for an interview? And it was like ten hours honestly

1277
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: because it was that interesting and I kind of went

1278
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: into it as a non believer. I'm exaggerating, but it

1279
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 2: was really the podcast. It's like the longest interview in time,

1280
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: like honestly, like there's it was impossible to edit, and

1281
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 2: every time everyone's like, who's going to edit that interview?

1282
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: Everyone went not it, not it, please not it. But

1283
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: it's really interesting.

1284
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I'd love to bring him on. That's a

1285
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 11: good one. Time for another one.

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01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 15: Hi, true come tonight. So listening to that talk back

1287
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 15: about the if I Go Missing folder, I also listen

1288
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 15: to that podcast and I am about to edit my

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Speaker 15: if I Go Missing folder and right at the top

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Speaker 15: it's going to be contact body moving period Ruth.

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Speaker 3: I get that all the time.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny because I never really work on missing

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01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 4: persons cases, like.

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01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 2: Ever working on ours.

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: But yes, it's so funny.

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 4: People was like, I want if I ever go missing,

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01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 4: I want you to, uh, you know, be on my

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01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 4: case or whatever. I'm always like, I'm the last person

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01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 4: you want in your case. I'll be like, Okay, good

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01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 4: for her, she's on vacation.

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Speaker 3: You know, no.

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01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: Way, you are a top a list. I feel pretty

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: confident that I would be found by you guys.

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, water if one of my friends,

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 4: if one of my friends went missing, Hell and high water,

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01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 4: I would move right like heaven and earth to come

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01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 4: find you.

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 3: I promise, I know it.

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: It's so tough about and like that's so much hope.

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01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 4: Thank you for that talk back, by the way, and

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01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 4: I promise if you go missing, I'm on it.

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm on it. There it is.

1313
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: I got your back. I got your back. Do we

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01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: have time for you more?

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01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 11: Let's let's do one more. Hey, ladies.

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,520
Speaker 2: Stephanie from Alabama.

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 3: I've been listening since episode one in my.

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01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: FI and I said, I made a carm with merch.

1319
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 3: I've been here, sin consistent, she is consistent.

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01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 4: Anyway, this is my first back and I'm not gonna

1321
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 4: even and pretend like it's not about the merch.

1322
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: I love you, la. So this is my dear friend,

1323
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: by the way, we love it.

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01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 3: This is my friend the merch.

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01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 4: And she has been bugging me for merch. And I said,

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 4: you gotta leave a talkback, girl, you gotta. She's like

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 4: a friend of mine. Line, there's no favors. I don't

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 4: know who you think I am.

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01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: I have no pull.

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 7: I have like you have a little.

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: But yes, consider that merch yours and think well done

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: on the talk back. Very well done. Thank you. I

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01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: think got my swear shirt on and I might never

1334
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: take it off.

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 11: It's so nice, it is.

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: So cozy, and I might literally never take it off.

1337
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: So there we go. I'm gonna wash it as fast

1338
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: as I can every day, but it's so cozy and comfy,

1339
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: and I can't wait till everybody has one.

1340
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: I promise it's coming.

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01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was just about you. I know you're listening,

1342
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 11: so oh you're amazing. Perfect. Let's do one more before

1343
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 11: with gratings up here.

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01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 16: Hey guys, Hey, I love the shout outs you guys

1345
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 16: have been doing to each other and like getting in

1346
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 16: depth of asking each other questions. It would be great

1347
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 16: to hear about all your background people, because you have

1348
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 16: a Whitney that's reached out via email to me and

1349
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 16: went over everything, and I would think that by highlighting

1350
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 16: them even keeping information confidential, we don't mean to know

1351
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 16: who they all are. But you guys have an amazing team

1352
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 16: behind you.

1353
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: We hear you guys and your.

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01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 16: Amazing Stephanie Courtney body taha, Sam, and I'm right, let's

1355
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 16: know about all those other people you have and all

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 16: the other things that you guys do.

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:48,919
Speaker 5: You're amazing.

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 7: Love from Texas, great love to Texas and that is

1359
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 7: absolutely on tap. Honestly, I would love to take my

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01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:05,520
Speaker 7: hand and at interviewing baby Barbara Walters interviewing Eva.

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01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: Okay, great and I'll interview Uh, Whitney, you're up, let's

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01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 2: do it next.

1363
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 3: I think forget it.

1364
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: I want to do or all three of us.

1365
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 11: Oh no, I'm really in the hot seat.

1366
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 2: Maybe had questions for Sam and Adam. We worked at

1367
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: all three of us against. I can't tell the whole time,

1368
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: but great idea. I love that. Shout out to Whitney

1369
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 2: that you got the you know, she's been working really hard.

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: The merg out. She's great. She really is. She's a wonderful,

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: wonderful woman.

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01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, she's phenomenal. We we love her and love having her.

1373
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 11: But if anyone doesn't know what this talkback was about,

1374
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 11: we've been doing a lot of behind the scenes where

1375
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 11: each person on staff has talked to each other. And

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01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 11: I have to say the one that Ava did with

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 11: I think it was so good. She did it with

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01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 11: both of you. I think she did with people with Courtney.

1379
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: Did she do you and Stephanie?

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 4: Oh?

1381
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: Did she do steps too? That's right?

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01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 11: And questions were so good, like she ran it by

1383
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 11: me She's like, what do you think of these I'm like,

1384
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 11: oh my god, I would have never even thought of

1385
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 11: these things.

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 3: I guess mine sucked.

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: Huh wait no, waity, no, wait. Of course the was

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01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: baby Barbara Walters for and you know, listen, her interview

1389
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: was very hard hitting with Courtney Armstrong and I will

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01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 2: have to agree. I thought it was excellent. And of

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: course Taha yours to body come on. So now we've

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 2: got to turn the tables on Taha, Sam Adam and Whitney.

1393
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: Oh no, let's toss Gabe in the mix too, because sorry,

1394
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 2: you got to get in the hot seat. Yeah, do it,

1395
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: and then you have the whole team on lock.

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Speaker 4: I was just talking about Gabe yesterday. I said, he's

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 4: like the When the When he's stormy out. He's like

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01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 4: the North right.

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: He really is so collected. You work so hard all categories.

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, let's do it.

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: That's a great suggestion.

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 4: So stick around. We've got more to dig into. We're

1403
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 4: gonna get more of your talkbacks coming up. Keep it

1404
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 4: right here, true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all

1405
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 4: the time. And don't forget you can find our podcast

1406
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio app. Just do a search for True

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01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 4: Crime tonight, five days a week.

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lidecker here with

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01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body move in and Taha, Sam and

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01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 2: Adam also in the house as well. So are we

1412
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: decided what the lineup will be for next week? So

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01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: we're gonna get Whitney in the hot seat, and we're

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: gonna get Sam and Adam and Taha and Gabe. There's

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01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: a lot of.

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01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 3: Can we get rid of the cat make an appearance.

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01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: And maybe give us her two cents about you know,

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01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: life in the fast lane in the studio there? Yeah, yeah,

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01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: we'll see. I don't know.

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01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: She might freak out in the studio, but she.

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01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 6: Might have.

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01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: She has been knee deep in the Epstein files. So

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01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 2: you know, as we mentioned Adam and I, we're gonna

1424
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 2: just like take it off the plate for a moment.

1425
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna get through them. Nobody else should look anymore.

1426
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: I think everybody needs a TV time out from all

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 2: news and scary things. I almost wish we all got

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01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: like rotating time off. I'm not saying amongst us, I'm

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01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 2: just saying in the world. Like even to my own mom,

1430
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 2: I was like, everybody has to turn the news off,

1431
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 2: like it's two we're not We're not to carry that

1432
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: much emotion so casually throughout the day. It's it's actually

1433
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: like really bad for our systems. And I have to

1434
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: assume it's a little bit done by design that we're

1435
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: getting hyper confused from all angles. It's literally too much.

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01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 2: So like the Epstein Files, it's going to take us

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01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: a long time, so you know, beware of all the

1438
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: clickbait and all the scary scary stuff. Isn't great. By

1439
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: the way, let me just be clear, it's not great.

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 2: One thing we know for sure, nobody in the Epstein

1441
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: Files likes women at all. Like that is a it

1442
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: is a underbelly of no more ladies needed. Seriously, what

1443
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: did we do? They're like genetically engineering a whole new race,

1444
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: it appears, but like again like let us like we're

1445
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: literally like this is our job, like let us look

1446
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: at it. We'll take our time, we'll show all sides.

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01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: But again, I think all the clickbait, myself included, I

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01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: might add, it's going to make us all sick and

1449
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 2: our hair is going to start to fall out, God forbid,

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01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: and it will make us less useful. You know, we

1451
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 2: just want to be kind and not We don't have

1452
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: to be compliant. We just want to be sane and

1453
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: you know centered speaking of clickbait stuff, Should I tell y?

1454
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: Should I talk about this now? Oh please?

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01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 11: Yes?

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01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: Yes. So here's what's going on, you guys. Need to

1457
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,520
Speaker 2: be careful. Okay, people are people are making.

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01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 4: Videos saying, you know, oh, there's this cryptocurrency that Jeffrey

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 4: Epstein you know, was involved with, and you know he.

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01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: Only has predicted it.

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01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, he predicted this with hit one million dollars by

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01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 4: March thirty second. Okay, yeah, but March I think they're

1463
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 4: saying March twelfth or something.

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01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 4: Anyway, it's a scam, you guys. And then what they're

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01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 4: doing is they're making a video in front of like

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01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 4: really official looking paperwork that like came from the Epstein files, right,

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01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 4: they're saying, look this this this coin that you can

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01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 4: buy right now for just a penny. It's gonna you know,

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01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 4: it's going to explode. And Jeffrey Epstein was involved, and

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01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 4: you know you only have twelve days to buy and

1472
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 4: cash out. It's a scam. So when you run across

1473
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 4: these things. What you can do is you can go

1474
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 4: to the DJ website. You can search for the document

1475
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 4: they're showing. You're not going to find it. That's number

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01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 4: one and number two, amongst other things. Right number two.

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01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 4: Look in the comments. Look for the words rug pole

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01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 4: or pump.

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: And dump is another one. Can dump. It's like a

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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: term that you would find in the comments where somebody's

1481
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: flagging it being like, yes, somebody don't do it right.

1482
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 4: And what they're doing is they're pumping up the value

1483
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 4: of the coin by saying that Jeffrey Epstein was involved,

1484
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 4: and they predicted this was going to take over the

1485
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 4: currency of the United States of America. This is going

1486
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 4: to this is the coin. And look who the biggest

1487
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 4: holder is. It's Donald Trump. You know, they're inflating the

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01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 4: value of the coin hoping that you fall for it

1489
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 4: and buy it, and then once a bunch of people

1490
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 4: buy it, it increases the value. They bought it cheap,

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01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 4: they sell when it increases. It's a pump, that's a

1492
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 4: pump and dump or a rug pole. They're pulling the

1493
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 4: rug from out under, you know what I mean. Just

1494
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 4: look for those kinds of things. Just be just be

1495
01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 4: careful and.

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01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: Just like a little back story sometimes when it's like

1497
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: bitcoin or anything like you know, cyber vibes. Of course,

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01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, throughout the day as we're all doing research,

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: I always send them to body like because I'm not

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01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't understand, just sends me. I just

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01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: send it. I'm like, I just send her the video.

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01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 2: I am like the guy. I like as if she's

1503
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: going to come back and decode the whole thing. Waits

1504
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: what she comes back and she decodes the whole thing.

1505
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: And you know, there's so much and by the way,

1506
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: like this is a fact, So there's whatever your algorithm is,

1507
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 2: like mine is really specific right now, it's all about

1508
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: digital currency. For some reason, I'm in this conversation in

1509
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: my algorithm and that's all I'm getting, right So I

1510
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 2: don't know how to get out of it, and I

1511
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: certainly don't know. I think we're being flooded right now

1512
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 2: by design from whomever, all sides that you know, we're

1513
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: getting all these like AI images and we're getting videos,

1514
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 2: and everybody is in front of files. To your point,

1515
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: you know, every single thing is like it's in the

1516
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: Epstein files. But like we still have to check the

1517
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 2: file because that's a sexy clipbait. By the way, the

1518
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 2: files are not great, but again they should be fact

1519
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: checked and curated carefully. And I just think we're getting

1520
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 2: inundated right now, and that's pretty scary.

1521
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 4: People get paid, I mean every view, every interaction, every comment,

1522
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 4: every like, every dislike, even every you know, rage bait situation.

1523
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 4: People are using the Epstein files to monetize on.

1524
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 2: A PC and a little there to enrage us, and

1525
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 2: we get raged and we start to fight, and then

1526
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, it's him. If we could just stop

1527
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 2: the male and the female and the brown, the black

1528
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 2: and the white, you know what nobody wants us all

1529
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: to do is to get along and to love each

1530
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: other into actually night. Can you imagine of all of

1531
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: us on every all the working, all us regular folk,

1532
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 2: actually banned together and stopped with all the division like

1533
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: that does seem to be also at its core in

1534
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: the Epstein files is separate. It's like, how can we

1535
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: separate people and divide people to fight and then while

1536
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: they're fighting, we'll be doing something else. So I don't

1537
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:16,520
Speaker 2: know what that which is going running and getting confused

1538
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 2: and then you don't know what to believe anymore. And

1539
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm sure if you haven't experienced this,

1540
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: please tell us your tricks, because I think a lot

1541
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: of us myself specifically, you get your brain shuts down.

1542
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 2: It's fatigue. You can set your algorithm like what you could.

1543
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: We can just talk nice to it. You gotta start

1544
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: talking about like totally different things. It's listening.

1545
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 4: It seems like like I'm really getting a lot of

1546
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,799
Speaker 4: punch the monkey videos.

1547
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1548
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 3: A monkey, do that?

1549
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: No? No, no? The monkey name punch in Japan with them?

1550
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry. I was like I thought somebody was

1551
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 2: punching a monkey and sending it to you a lot. No,

1552
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 2: do you think that would be like idio about that?

1553
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

1554
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 4: No, I don't have the monkeys. But on one app

1555
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 4: and then on another app, I'm getting, you know, epstcene

1556
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 4: related stuff. I just wish on the other app I

1557
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 4: could reset and be like clear, start, I want the monkeys.

1558
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 2: I just think you start. Start. You could even program

1559
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 2: in floor plans and you'll probably start get I was about.

1560
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 11: To probably start typing in new things.

1561
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 5: Does that help like it does?

1562
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 11: Well?

1563
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 4: I think you're interacting things if you start looking and

1564
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 4: the more you like something, more you interact with it,

1565
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 4: the more that kind of content is going to show

1566
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 4: up on your algorithm.

1567
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 2: But on some of them, I just don't even have time.

1568
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: Just I just keep scrolling, scrolling through.

1569
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 11: Does it matter if you stay on it for.

1570
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: A while, Like yes, like it does, duration look at

1571
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 3: it for a.

1572
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 11: While, It'll absolutely Okay.

1573
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: It does. And it's funny because you start, you can

1574
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: see how it happens. And I'm just being hyper aware

1575
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: of it, even with myself, because you start, you know,

1576
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: you have a thought, or you say something out loud

1577
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: or by the way, our phones are listening to us

1578
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: while we're even on the show, so you know, suddenly

1579
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: we're talking about frequency one night, and suddenly in the

1580
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 2: morning all of my app is all about frequencies and

1581
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 2: the sound of you know, harmony and abundance, craziness. I'm like,

1582
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: where does this all come from? But it is, It's

1583
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: like kind of and then you start it's like having

1584
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 2: a conversation with yourself, so it's just really reinfirming whatever

1585
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 2: you were thinking anyway, which is so not useful. We

1586
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: have to be able to have critical thinking and having

1587
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: conversations that are not exactly like us, yes, which is

1588
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: also what I'm afraid is going to start happening.

1589
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 7: Well, one thing you said, if there are tricks, someone

1590
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 7: gave me one. It has worked so well because I certainly,

1591
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 7: like just about everyone else in the universe, I think,

1592
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 7: definitely found myself and I'd scroll and I never felt

1593
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 7: good and I was never like, oh I'm so fulfilled,

1594
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 7: and that was a useful forty nine minutes my time,

1595
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 7: never once ever. And so someone said, picture yourself like

1596
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 7: literally physically giving five dollars to Mark Zuckerberg every time

1597
01:27:56,479 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 7: you want to go on social media. And honestly, I

1598
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 7: this is not going to happen in general, but I

1599
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 7: really don't.

1600
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: That was not afar.

1601
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 7: I was not super deep, but I was spending so

1602
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 7: much time and again I felt I didn't feel it

1603
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 7: just didn't feel good. And so now I just don't

1604
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 7: I interact for work when I want to look for something,

1605
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 7: But then it's untangling all of the what is the facts?

1606
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 7: Whether stuff is said? And you're in for mode right,

1607
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 7: and that's very different. But anyway, the five dollars was

1608
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 7: very helpful to me.

1609
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: Try I've never been into social media, she's never had

1610
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 2: a big social media presence, and by the way, I

1611
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 2: get a kick out of it. I like seeing my

1612
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 2: friends from home and like seeing your kids. Like I'm

1613
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: still old school and still in that mindset where I'm like, oh,

1614
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: I love the pink color of the bathroom.

1615
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 7: It's not that anymore, or at least not on my

1616
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 7: I can go because I like that too, And oh

1617
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 7: my god, your kid's a cub scout now thumbs up

1618
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 7: all for it.

1619
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 3: But that's that It's not, isn't.

1620
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 11: The case, particularly especially like TikTok, Like I find myself

1621
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 11: like I was telling one of you the other night,

1622
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 11: like all night looking at where the what state is

1623
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 11: going to be hit first in World War three? What

1624
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 11: should I do?

1625
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 2: You have to stop? You can't look, but we can't.

1626
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 11: Time show the map of the US, and they're like,

1627
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 11: they're going to go here.

1628
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 4: And this is because of the the way that the

1629
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 4: missiles travel and how fast travel.

1630
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 11: And I'm like, are traveling now.

1631
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 2: You might not, but you might you might not. I

1632
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: don't know that. I just think we know that we

1633
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: don't really know anything is you know, that's the unfortunate

1634
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 2: scary part. But that's why we have to kind of

1635
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: lean into each other and kind of honestly, even the show,

1636
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: I call us from all. I love that we're getting

1637
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: calls from of course Canada and like any you know,

1638
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 2: like you're having an experience in Minnesota or wherever, you know,

1639
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Just so we're keeping each other all in check. And

1640
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: again it's not just to support our own opinions, it's

1641
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: actually kind of make sure that we're kind of coming

1642
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: together on an opinion.

1643
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, speaking of which, let's let's let's go to another

1644
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 11: talk back. Let's end on something light and happy. Okay,

1645
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 11: Sam picked something good to make us laugh.

1646
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 3: So I was curating the perfect talkback, no pressure maestro, like.

1647
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: Question of.

1648
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 11: Just adding some doll to posts?

1649
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: Love you all?

1650
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 11: What? Oh you guys have set up? Explain that for

1651
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 11: someone out there who doesn't What did you Okay?

1652
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 4: So we were talking yesterday about adding symbols and whatnot

1653
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 4: and coming up with ideas for complex passwords. Okay, and

1654
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 4: I said a couple of dollars signs, but definitely started

1655
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 4: singing what did you say?

1656
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 2: I don't even I have no memory of it whatsoever.

1657
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 3: I black out for this entire show.

1658
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 2: In this exact moment, like when we have to think

1659
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 2: about what happened yesterday.

1660
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, I heard it, only I heard it for

1661
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 4: some reason. What Stephanie started singing. She was like, add

1662
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 4: some time signs to your password.

1663
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 3: Or something like that.

1664
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, And I'm the only one that like sorry

1665
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: to it, and I was.

1666
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 3: We just lost it.

1667
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: It was that was so stupid. It was a good

1668
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: giggle though we had a good We had a good

1669
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 2: did have a good giggle.

1670
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 3: I mean I listened to Yester Night's show and.

1671
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 2: Remember what it was like, guys are all so smart,

1672
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 2: these guys are all buttoned up, and I kind of

1673
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 2: were always kind of winging it. Once the show happens,

1674
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 2: I feel like it's really hard to remember anything once

1675
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 2: it starts. Do you guys find that also?

1676
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 4: I can't remember we talked about the lasted man, I

1677
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 4: have no idea, you know, which.

1678
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 2: Is great because we're being we're present. We're just present.

1679
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 2: Its exactly right.

1680
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 4: So I think we're paying attention. We're not on the phones,

1681
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 4: we're listening, you know what I mean. But when I'm

1682
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 4: very present like that, I'm just I don't remember what happened.

1683
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 2: I never said that.

1684
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great, great talk back.

1685
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, tomorrow we have we have a

1686
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: big show tomorrow too, because we have a very important

1687
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 2: judge joining us to do you want to give me

1688
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 2: the scoop?

1689
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 11: Yes, a former family court judge. Her name is Michelle Locke,

1690
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 11: and she's going to join us to discuss how the

1691
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 11: justice system handles cases involving children. I spoke to her

1692
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 11: early today, like, but this afternoon we just had a

1693
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 11: small talk. She is incredible, Like I was like, I

1694
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 11: could really she seems so down to earth and normal

1695
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 11: and cool. She was like, call me Michelle really anyway,

1696
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 11: She's just I think you guys are going to really

1697
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 11: find it fascinating.

1698
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 4: In Taha's mind, like judges are wearing like the white

1699
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:41,640
Speaker 4: curly wigs or something.

1700
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Like a harder wig exactly might be making a comeback.

1701
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 4: We would look fabulous harder your wig and like wear it.

1702
01:32:54,800 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 3: Conditioning of think so bad. Yeah, I get it started.

1703
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 2: Well, she's very interesting because she's, you know, a specialist

1704
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 2: in family court. And by the way, for anybody listening

1705
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 2: who may be like entering anything in the world of

1706
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 2: co parenting or separating, divorcing, you know, it's so stressful

1707
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 2: and it can really bring out some you know, difficult circumstances. Obviously,

1708
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 2: we're talking about the highest stakes here on the show.

1709
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't have to end in violence, obviously,

1710
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 2: but it is a very tricky thing. And we have

1711
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: spoken about a few cases that you know, family dynamics.

1712
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 4: There's been a lot more of it, and a captain

1713
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 4: bunch of cases involved in children. Yeah, yeah, and I

1714
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 4: kind of want to start it.

1715
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 2: We'll unpack those and you know, as time goes on,

1716
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 2: if anybody has you know, co parenting or questions of

1717
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 2: their own about how to handle a separation, you know,

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Speaker 2: she will be the person. Listen what We will be

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow with all that and more. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: sticking with us and Jarrett Farentino, we loved having you

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Speaker 2: keep those talkbacks coming. We will see you tomorrow. Have

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Speaker 2: a wonderful night, Stay safe.

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Speaker 3: Bye.