WEBVTT - #286 Packers Unscripted: Draft debrief 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:20.640 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.400 I am Mike Spofford sitting alongside my colleague West Hodkowitz. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.800 Were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.560 Field after an action packed weekend. West. The two thousand 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.199 eighteen NFL Draft is in the books. The Packers come 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.720 out of it with eleven players. Just your your thoughts 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.600 on how things went. I don't mean to throw a 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.360 pity party for us here, but eleven picks. That's a 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.320 lot of work for us to do on the website. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.239 But we got through it, and we're here to do 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.879 Packers Unscripted. Yeah. I mean it was funny because on 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:49.920 Sunday I told my wife I had all these plans 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:51.519 mapped out. I had some work I wanted to do 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.240 in the backyard the basement. I was gonna go running. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.120 Accomplished none of that. I went to breakfast in the morning, 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.920 Miss Church end up just basically sitting around all the afternoon. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.319 That's what happens, though, And I think when you go 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.960 through a run like that this particular year, the Packers 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.920 drafting eleven players, Uh, there's just so much that's happening 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.800 in a lot of new personalities to get to know. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.679 But for the Packers perspective, I think you look at 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.520 a lot of the reviews of this draft class have 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.039 been very favorable, considering that they really addressed their biggest need, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.600 which was cornerback. Yeah, and I want to get to 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.840 that as well. And just to give the fans of 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.919 heads up, we're gonna be here all week talking about 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.639 this draft. If we don't talk about your favorite draft 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.520 pick on today's show, keep tuning in because we have 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.039 a lot more shows to talk about this draft. But 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.880 because we wrapped up last week talking about the first 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:44.040 round and the selection of Louisville's Jaire Alexander, excuse me, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.840 I want to get to what happened in the second round. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.040 With the Packers sitting at forty five, right in the 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.760 middle of the round. There and a player that a 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.760 lot of people had rated as a first round prospect 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.560 and that many mock drafts had actually going to the 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.280 Packers at number fourteen. They're original pick in the first round, 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.720 Josh Jackson, the cornerback from Iowa, is there, even though 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.440 the Packers had just chosen a cornerback in the first 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.440 round the night before, simply too good a player to 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.040 pass up who falls that far, and Brian Coudacus jumped 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.760 on it. Yeah, this is your quintessential best player available 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.400 in the truest form. I mean, if you go back 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.760 to the scouting combine, Mike, you and I were sitting 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.440 there with Larry mccarren, we did some of the shows. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.359 I think the logical thinking at that point in time 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.520 was there was Denzel Warden, then there was Josh Jackson. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.720 Those were kind of the one to Jackson ends up 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.000 running in the you know, the mid four or five 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.560 range at the combine and on the heels of only 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.040 having that one true season where he was a starter 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.959 at Iowa. I think that's ultimately what had him falling 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.240 into the mid second round. But you look at his 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.360 size and how he matches up, Mike, this is a 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.120 great pick for the packers. And I know a lot 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.880 of people right away we're trying to draw, you know, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.760 parallels to two thousand fifteen. I see, this is something 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.000 that's entirely different because of where you picked your Alexander, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.399 how they had him raided on their board, and then 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.760 being able to get Jackson Quentin Rollin's no disrespect to 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.240 him wasn't viewed like a first round type prospect where 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.880 Josh Jackson really was. And for the package to get 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.560 him at forty five, I think that's something they felt 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.280 really good about. Yeah, and eight interceptions for Jackson in seventeen, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.960 he sat behind a couple of other NFL level players. Uh, 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.520 you know, wasn't a starter at Iowa, was on the field, 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.480 you know, on defense and sub packages things like that, 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.200 was a starter for the first time in seventeen, and 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.680 lo and behold, he ends up leading the nation with 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.840 eight interceptions. And I'll say this was the most impressive 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.520 thing to me about those eight interceptions, because with college statistics, 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.560 you can have say, these players from the Big Ten, 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.960 they play some lesser schools, smaller schools early in the season, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.400 guys can pad their stats and and make some things happen. Okay, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.520 but five of Josh Jackson's eight interceptions came in a 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.080 two week span against Ohio State and Wisconsin, the two 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.520 teams that were playing for the Big Ten championship when 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.440 it was all said and done it in that conference 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.640 last year. This is a guy who's a playmaker, and uh, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.600 you know, it's it's really going to be exciting to 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.600 see just how he fits in and how Mike Petton 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.600 wants to use them with another young corner in Alexander 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.080 being that first round right. And what's interesting too about 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.760 Jackson is that you talked about that cupcake schedule. Well, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.719 his was against Josh Allen, the number seven overall pick. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.800 He got an interception off him as well when Iowa 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.400 beat Wyoming early in the season, So he earned you know, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.880 the pelts that are on his wall, they came through 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.599 attrition and really being able to step up to the moment. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.520 And Alonso Dots and the Packers college scout that that 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.200 handles that region in the Midwest. You know, he said 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:39.719 it too. This is a guy so much was said 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.760 in the pre draft process. He's a zone cornerback, but 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.359 he has a lot of man in his background two 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.760 playing single high safety looks being able to press it 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.039 the line of scrimmage. And I think if you didn't 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.640 if you took away all that, Mike, if you don't 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.200 pay attention to the zone kind of narrative that was 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.600 out there, and you just looked at him as a 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.359 six ft hundred and nine pound cornerback, he looks like 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.120 a press may and corner and you know the second 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.719 side of that is you look at those interceptions he 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.039 had in Iowa. There are some amazing, highlight real catches 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.279 that he had, and I think that that's kind of 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.240 what he's giving you here. He gives you a fully 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.520 rounded out cornerback and a guy I think the Packers think, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.839 can they can mold into that prototypical type boundary? Yeah? Yeah, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.839 I think if there's one thing we heard most often 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.480 in terms of the evaluation of Alexander and Jackson looking 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.440 at them as a tandem here as the two picks 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.240 at the top of this draft is ball skill. Mike 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.919 McCarthy talked about it. You know, it's about takeaways in 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.640 this game. It's about making big plays on defense, especially 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.680 making big plays at key times in ball games. These guys, 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.800 these two corners at the top, were drafted to do 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.320 exactly that they did, and they did it in different ways. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.679 It's not like they're both just the same cookie cutter 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.880 type cornerback. Alexander is a smaller guy, but he's shifty. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.680 He plays big and great speed and athleticism. That jumps 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.279 out to you, Josh Jackson, if this is a guy 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.599 who in one year did what he did at Iowa. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.760 What's he gonna do when you have Joe Wick coaching you, 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.600 when you can take all of those um you know, 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.000 instincts and just what he brings the table, the rawness 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.279 that he was able to really produce off of when 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.160 you start to hone that with more technique and skill 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.360 he set it to in his conference call. He feels 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.719 like he's far from being a finished product and he 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.039 brings that potential now to Green Bay. All right, with that, 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:24.640 we're going to go to a breakback with more on 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:45.320 Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.840 Mike Spofford in this chair, West Hodkowits, and that one, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.080 Okay West. Continuing our review of Friday night, the second 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.080 and third rounds of the draft, the Packers actually went 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.279 into the third round without a pick, having traded that 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.640 third round pick to Seattle on Thursday night to move 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.440 back up into the teens in the first round in 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.240 order to take Alexander from Louisville. But as that third 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.359 round was winding down, there was a player on the 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.680 board that Brian Goodacunts really liked, wanted to have and 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.560 traded a very valuable asset that being the number one 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.840 pick in the fourth round, which was going to be 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.560 the opening pick on Saturday, traded that to move back 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.360 into the third round and selected or In Burke's out 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.560 of Vanderbilt. And I will say this, I don't really 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.760 know much about Burke's. I didn't know much about him 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.920 before the draft, but knowing what Goodacunts traded for him 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.800 to get him tells me how highly he thought of him. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.880 And the fact, Mike, that they didn't want to wait 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.760 thirteen more picks to take him. They felt like this 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.960 is a guy that it was time to go. Um. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.120 And And it's funny too, because you say you don't 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.200 know much about him. I think he was kind of, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.280 you know, a mystery a little bit to people throughout 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.200 the draft process too. Some people had him as a 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:54.920 fourth and fifth round pick, some had him in the 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.880 third round just because of his skill set. It's so interesting, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.680 I said, um on Saturday night, Mike, I think the 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.600 Packers made history in a number of ways. Here is 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.200 the first time they've taken a natural long snapper a 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.160 number one, that's his position in the draft. I think 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.080 you probably could go back, and I'm sure there's some 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.000 example you can show me. But I can't remember the 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:18.680 last time the Packers took basically drafted a purposeful hybrid linebacker, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.200 which is what or In Burkes gives you. He did 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.600 convert his last year. He was an inside backer, but 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.120 he started at Vanderbilt as a defensive back his junior year. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.720 He ends up playing that hybrid safety role. Last year 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.720 they just said, you know what, you're an inside backer. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.439 He plays in that two thirty five range, so he 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.240 he looks the part, but he gives you some coverage skills, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.840 speed and physicality that I think is really gonna fit 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.480 well in this defense. For what Mike Petton wants to do. Yeah, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.840 to be two d and thirty plus pounds and to 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.840 be able to uh to run you know a four 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.360 five I believe it was was in the four fives 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.559 with the forty yard dash at the combine. That's ah, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.680 that's the type of sideline to sideline type of speed 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.079 from a linebacker that let's be honest. And this is 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.240 no knock against Blake Martinez, who had a tremendous second season, 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.560 and or against Jake Ryan, who's a really solid run 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.600 defender in this Packers defense, but they can't run like 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.800 that they don't have that kind of speed. So this 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.080 brings a new element to an inside linebacker group that 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.680 I think Mike Petton is going to try to find, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.720 you know, some different combinations here, and they're been depending 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.480 on matchups and game plans and whatnot to use all 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.440 these guys, and three dominoes had already fallen going into 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.160 this draft. The first two are that Morgan Burnett and 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.760 Joe Thomas are both gone. Joe Thomas had kind of 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.480 been their coverage dime linebacker at times throughout the past 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.520 two three years. Morgan Burnett was that hybrid linebacker who 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.000 probably spent a majority of two thousand seventeen lining up 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.440 near the line of scrimmage, whether it was in the 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.040 slot or whether it was at ninebacker. And then the 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.640 other one is Josh Jones, who teased that position a 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.880 little bit, but Mike McCarthy's already said they want him 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.480 to focus on safety. Now, going in two thousand eighteen, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.320 you only had Martinez and Ryan, you needed to add 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.800 somebody to that room. They did it in the third round, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.840 and I think that gives them kind of that staple 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.360 that they're looking for three guys that have different types 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.880 of skill sets that can all be utilized in this defense. Yeah, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.680 an interesting background here with Burke's two goes to comes 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.280 from Vanderbilt, I should say, has a younger sister who's 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.640 also an athlete, a an accomplished softball player out at 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.920 Stanford UM. So you're talking about, you know, a family 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.120 that sends its its children to some some highly regarded 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.360 academic institutions, but they carry a heck of a lot 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.920 of athletic ability. And uh and for Or and Burke's 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.720 to be drafted in the third round coming to the Packers, Uh, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.800 you know it says says something about the work that 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.839 he put in, but but sounds also like an incredibly 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.520 well rounded kid. And that's important because you can have 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.280 all those tools and inside back or you can be physical, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.640 you can be able to run with guys in the slot, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.920 be able to cover you know, running backs coming out 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.320 of the backfield. But if you can't mentally process all 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.760 that quickly, it's not gonna work out. And I think 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.720 you're getting a really intelligent kid who's obviously very driven 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.600 and sold the Packers on all of this. I believe 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.360 he was one of the pre draft Is it's correct 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.720 me if I'm wrong on that. I think they there's 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.200 so many that come through here. I'm trying to make 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.920 sure I get them all right. But they've been able 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.360 to take a look at him, they've been able to 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.400 study him, and they felt good enough about him, as 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.440 you said, to take that very precious first pick on 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.040 the fourth day, getting hours just to process who they 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.320 want to pick. They moved up. They knew they didn't 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.480 need that time, and Berks was that guy. All right 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.360 with that, We're gonna go to another break back with 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:46.320 moren Packers unscripted right after this, Welcome back to Packers unscripted. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.360 Mike Spofford here, West, Hodkuwit's over there, okay, West. So 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.000 on Day three of the draft, the Packers go into 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.240 it with eight picks. They end up sitting pat at 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.480 all of those spots and taking eight players. And I 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.080 think if there's one thing that Day three of the 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.160 draft would be remembered for in Green Bay, much like 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.600 Day three and seventeen was remembered for taking three running backs. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.920 This one was three wide receivers. Jmon Moore from Missouri 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:18.760 in the fourth round, Marquez Valdez Scantling from South Florida 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.760 in the fifth round and then Equinimius St. Brown from 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.559 Notre Dame in the sixth round. I got all those 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.760 names out west. I survived it. But um packers of 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.160 restocked reloaded in some ways here at wide receiver, not 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.679 with a top prospect, not with a first round, second 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.240 round guy, but um as I said, much like they 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.880 did at running back. Their stockpiling here and they're gonna 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:41.640 see what happens. Yeah, and all three of them I 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:47.040 think checked two very big boxes, athletic and tall. When 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.680 you look at St. Brown six ft five, he says, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.880 right now, he's around to eighteen. He was listed at 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.480 two oh three. He's the son of a former world 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.960 champion bodybuilder. UM and obviously his story has been documented 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:03.280 by HBO A a bunch of different outlets. Remarkable, remarkable athleticism, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.120 and also had a really good report with to Shaun 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.880 Kaiser two years ago at Notre Dame. UM Jimon Moore 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.440 is terrific. I mean a guy that was incredibly productive 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.559 two thousand yards seasons in the sec um that doesn't 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.320 happen by accident. Now there's some questions about his drops. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.560 Uh he him and both also John Rick Salvin said 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.480 a lot of that they think is a concentration thing. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.760 Him just trying to work two steps ahead, trying to 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.960 slow down his game. As he said, humbling his eyes 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.760 a little bit is going to be the key, and 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.880 Velda is scantling is honestly to me, out of these eleven, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.079 I think is the most intriguing of all these prospects 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.520 because he runs so fast. He sub four four, he 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.240 is six ft four. I think there was some questions 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.320 about the vertical was a little a little shorter than 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.160 you would expect for a guy that's his size and 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.079 with that kind of speed, But had a career year, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.720 had a you know, a school record in terms of 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.600 a single season production last year at USF and all 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.280 three of them bring something else to the table. And 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.120 with trying to find a you know, another guy to 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.520 step in for Jordy Nelson, it gives Luke actually said, look, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.520 David Rye in the Packers offense, a lot of different 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.320 options to work with. Yeah, and you said it at 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.880 the beginning. You look at the size of these guys, 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.080 all three of them in that six three to six 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.199 ft five range. We've talked over the last couple of 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.079 years about when Geronimo Allison has been on the field 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.160 last year when um, Michael Clark Clark, I was gonna 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.320 say Brown, and I knew that wasn't right. Michael Clark 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.960 when he's been on the field, a different type of 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.880 target out there. Now you're bringing in these three guys 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.800 that you know that all provide that different type of target. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.840 It really changes the dynamic a little bit here in 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.240 terms of this group of young pass catchers that Aaron 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.480 Rodgers will be working with. And uh And if one 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.800 thing stood out to me about the third of the three, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.880 st Brown from Notre Dame, it's that he was the 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.240 one guy in all the conference calls that we did 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.160 with the players after they were picked. They for those 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.400 who don't know, they put them on a conference call 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.320 with all the media in the auditorium at Lambeau Field 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.080 that you can ask them questions over the phone. He 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.800 was the one who I felt anyway, it was kind 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.800 of ticked off that he had to wait until the 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.480 end of the sixth round to get picked. A lot 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.320 of projections had him as more of a third or 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.960 fourth round guy. He seemed kind of annoyed by it. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.280 And I'm very curious to see if he's able to 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.000 to to channel that disappointment, you know, in the proper 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.440 way to in terms of motivation, and went not to 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.280 get his NFL career started, because we've seen guys like 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.640 that before. You know, the the old chip on the 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.600 shoulder cliche. Sometimes it can work to your advantage, but 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.240 also sometimes that can become too much of the story. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.360 It can be and there's there's two different elements. Is 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.520 that I really like though for st Brown, he is 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.040 getting reunited now at de Shaun Kaiser. There's gonna be 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.600 nobody happier to see their name come up with the 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.160 Green Bay Packers than st. Brown because he knows now 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.800 in training camp throughout the preseason he's gonna work with 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.720 the guy that he had the most success with different 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.920 different change of quarterback. Last year. His numbers went down, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.560 but he's going to be able to have that. The 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.480 other side of it is, though he did say the 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.800 draft committee going into this thing projected him as a 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.880 fourth round pick. There were some top one hundreds I 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.880 saw that had him within that. I think Pro Football 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.320 Focus had him up as high as sixties six on 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.840 their list of overall prospects. So he did leave a 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.760 year early. He could have went back for one more year. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.840 He only had really two years at Notre Dame. He 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.440 played as a true freshman, but not very much so 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.840 there wasn't a whole lot to go off from that perspective. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.200 But the one thing I do really like about these 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.160 three picks. You remember in two thousand and thirteen, Mike, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.320 the Packers they kind of overloaded a little bit in 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.560 the late rounds. They went with Charles Johnson, they drafted 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.840 Kevin Dorsey. Johnson was coming from Division two. Dorsey was 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.040 coming from Maryland but had no production really whatsoever, and 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.440 the quarterback was an issue. All three of these guys 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.840 come from bigger programs. And even though Valdez Scantling came 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.600 from USF, he started at North Carolina State. These are 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.040 Power five type prospects, power five type recruits, and now 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.320 they're gonna be playing, they hope, with the best quarterback 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.640 in football. It does not set you up any better 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.440 to really show what you can do than the platform 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.240 the Packers are giving them. Yeah, and the and the 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.360 comment you made initially about Jamon Moore out of Missouri 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.640 back to back one thousand yards seasons, I believe it 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.880 was eighteen touchdown catches and when you're talking about doing 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.199 that in the sect, you know, against these schools like 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.520 Alabama and l s U who have defensive backs drafted 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.919 high every single year, and and other schools in in 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.960 that conference as well. That says something. You know, Florida 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.480 has defensive backs drafted all the time as well. And 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.880 the other thing I like about more his drops were 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.080 easy drops. That's what a lot of scouts had said 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.920 throughout this process. It was just stuff underneath stuff where 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.040 he just was looking too far ahead. He can make 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.760 contested catches, he can make them along the boundary. That's 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:33.719 the type of prospect you're looking at. All. Right with that, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.359 we're going to go to a breakback with more on 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:56.600 Packer's Unscripted. Excuse me right after this welcome back to 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.399 Packers Unscripted. I have Mike Spofford. He is West Hodko. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.320 It's okay, West, final segment of the show, and I'll 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.119 try to get through it. My voice has cracked a 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.000 couple of times already today. That streaming over the weekend 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.359 tells you how long the weekend was to get through. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.399 But anyway, a lot of guys here to talk about 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.200 on day three. But I do want to hit on 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.000 a couple of I guess you'd have to call him 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.919 surprise picks. The Packers take not one but two specialists 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.840 in the final rounds of the draft, punter j K. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.239 Scott from Alabama and then long snapper Hunter Bradley from 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.080 Mississippi State, both from the SEC and UH, I guess 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.159 we're already headed for quite the competition at punter and 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.600 training camp with Justin Vogel, we are. I just want 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.000 to say something quick. I never toot my own horn here. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.960 I totally called them drafting a long snapper. Though I 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.720 called it. I called it. We'll talk about Hunter brad 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.280 a little bit more in the second. The one thing 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.280 I did not call did not anticipate them taking a punter, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:51.800 just because I thought Justin Vogel for the most part, 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.760 had a good enough year and he didn't have any 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.600 competition for that job last year at all once Jake 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.680 Schum was placed on injured reserve. So but I mean, 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.000 you look at j K Scott, Mike, this is a 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.560 guy that I can see why it would be hard 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.879 for the Packers to pass up, especially if you're depending 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.119 on what that fifth round board looked like. You pointed 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.440 it out if a punter is your top value there 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.080 in the fifth round? You feel comfortable there. You could 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.000 go a lot worse than J. K. Scott six ft six, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.720 little over two hundred pounds is he said in his 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.040 his conference call with US. He doesn't even have to 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.960 leave the ground when he punts, just because of the 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.560 leg in what he's at, how high he's able to 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.680 get up on these punts. And it sounded like that 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.159 last year at Alabama they really honed his technique, a 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.760 sideline to sideline punter. He feels comfortable doing that. I 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.480 believe there was only five punts returned against him last year, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.560 thanks in part too increased hang time and also the 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.800 gunners getting down in the field quick enough. For Obama, 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.440