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Speaker 3: Notice notes that some Senators are pushing for Senator Mike Lee.

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Speaker 4: And this is what the president's getting briefed on.

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Speaker 10: You can choose.

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Speaker 6: we have certainly disabilized it. But the idea that an

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Speaker 9: Is trying to cover his tracks on a strategic failure,

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Speaker 10: But then after fifteen.

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Speaker 8: They don't want them.

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Speaker 10: Job Job Jobs.

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Speaker 11: Report expecting sixty five thousand, we are significantly stronger one

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Speaker 12: When we excuse me, June of twenty three, where are

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Speaker 10: This is a big number. Excuse me, excuse me.

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Speaker 12: We have to go back to DCE of twenty four, Joe,

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Speaker 12: two hundred and thirty seven thousand, So it's still a

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Speaker 13: This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray

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Speaker 2: On these people.

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Speaker 13: Here's not got a free shot.

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Speaker 5: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 13: I know you don't like hearing that. I know you

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Speaker 13: but you're not going.

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Speaker 13: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 14: Okay, so this is very very very sketchy, but we'll

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Speaker 5: possibly replicating the Iraqi basically failure in the Iran Iraq war.

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Speaker 5: Uh and we don't understand the Persian mindset, and we

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Speaker 5: certainly don't appreciate the ideological fervor with which the Islamic

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Speaker 5: Republic rules Iran. And if they're shooting out our search

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Speaker 5: and rescue birds as you see in those videos, that

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Speaker 5: indicates to me that the site resistance mentality going back

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Speaker 5: to the breakdown of the Sunny Sheite split, you know,

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Speaker 5: hundreds of years ago. I think that's that's now informing

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Speaker 5: their their response to us. They're not pro overthrow, they're

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Speaker 5: not pro regime change. They are very much.

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Speaker 14: Even even the ones, you know, you get a combination

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Speaker 14: of Persian nationalism, these are very proud people. It's an

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Speaker 14: ancient civilization and it's fought the West, it's fought the

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Speaker 14: Roman Empire from the beginning. I want to go back

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Speaker 14: to this time though, because I think it's important to

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Speaker 14: think about the other day, Brandon than a doctor they

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Speaker 14: were bringing in. The other day, there was a report

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Speaker 14: coming out of Tehran that the ideological masters of Iran,

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Speaker 14: this theocracy, we're saying and going to round up I

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Speaker 14: think kids as young as they were talking about children,

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Speaker 14: kids as young as ten eleven, twelve to twelve to

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Speaker 14: augment and people. When it first came out, people were saying,

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Speaker 14: with these guys are horrible. That will never happen.

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Speaker 13: This is how they broke the iraqis. They just used

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Speaker 13: cannon fodder.

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Speaker 14: They had no concern whatsoever if these kids, they weren't

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Speaker 14: even armed. I mean, they had no concern at all

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Speaker 14: where these kids lived or died. I mean, it was

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Speaker 14: just you're going to It's like the Chinese in Korea.

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Speaker 14: Right in North Korea when we fought in the Korean War.

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Speaker 14: You just hit wave after wave. Most of them don't

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Speaker 14: even have weapons. It's just it's just a human wave.

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Speaker 14: Well they went talking, yeah, yeah, yes, hangar for one second,

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Speaker 14: or bring you back through the break. Human life to

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Speaker 14: these people means nothing, means absolutely nothing. Is a totally

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Speaker 14: different and complete mindset. I'm not saying the Persian mentality.

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Speaker 14: This is the this is the theocracy that is now

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Speaker 14: in charge. And like I said, I think we've got hardcore,

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Speaker 14: hardercore people. So the Iran Iraq War is UH is

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Speaker 14: still a living thing to many of these people, particularly

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Speaker 14: because they think it was one of the great victories

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Speaker 14: of not the greatest victory besides overthrowing the SHAW and

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Speaker 14: running the Americans out of their of their regime. Short

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Speaker 14: commercial break, search and rescue for an American American pilots

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Speaker 14: right now in the Iran War Back in a moment.

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Speaker 6: A room.

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Speaker 8: Here's your host, Stephen k back.

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Speaker 13: Brandon. We got an update on the UH sixteen. Give

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Speaker 13: us an update.

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Speaker 5: One of the one of the ocent people that I

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Speaker 5: I deal with, told me that it was a Special

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Speaker 5: Forces UH sixty Blackhawk. It was hit, did not crash

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Speaker 5: in Southern made it made it across the border to

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Speaker 5: safety in southern Iraq, and apparently it has returned to base.

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Speaker 5: That is what I'm being told. So, yeah, and there's

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Speaker 5: that video there. UH they're shooting from this bridge. The

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Speaker 5: people on the ground in around these are just ordinary people,

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Speaker 5: are shooting at our birds there that are conducting search

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Speaker 5: and rescue operations for that F fifteen strike Eagle. The

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Speaker 5: two pilots that are the pilot and the Wizzo that

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Speaker 5: are that are down in around somewhere. So this is

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Speaker 5: a developing situation. But but the black Hawk is fine,

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Speaker 5: I am told so.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And look, Sencom obviously has preparation for all this, but

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Speaker 14: I will tell you that it looks like pretty barren territory.

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Speaker 14: You see what our kids, so I keep telling folks,

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Speaker 14: this is like the freaking moon when you're over there.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 14: So once again the heroism and valor and training to

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Speaker 14: train for this, This is why these pilots can go

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Speaker 14: in under enemy fire and uh.

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Speaker 13: And do this.

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Speaker 14: Also, you might know one of the things we did say,

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Speaker 14: doctor Thayer. Let me get you in the conversation here.

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Speaker 14: We kept saying that the expeditionary operation in late June

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Speaker 14: to totally obliterate the nuclear weapons program. Then the Venezuelan

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Speaker 14: and the Venezuelan heroic I mean a special forces and

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Speaker 14: they took a you know, they almost lost the helicopter

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Speaker 14: the winner if it was not for the incredible airmanship

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Speaker 14: and bravery the pilot who was awarded the Congressional Medal

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Speaker 14: of Honor for that by President Trump. Here you're going

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Speaker 14: in and you know they talk about air supremacy, air superiority.

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Speaker 14: Those are kind of military terms in mathematical equations. But

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Speaker 14: you've got resistance. I mean, these people are resisting that

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Speaker 14: the Iranians are going to put up a fight. And

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Speaker 14: like we said, they've they've shifted the center of gravity

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Speaker 14: of the battle to the Persian Golf and they shifted

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Speaker 14: it to the and they in many respects, they've taken

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Speaker 14: the initiative. It shouldn't be lost on people that the

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Speaker 14: search and rescue area is down close to the Persian Gulf,

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Speaker 14: close to the Tigers and euphrates, close to Iraqi territory,

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Speaker 14: so it's closer to there. It's hundreds, not thousands of

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Speaker 14: miles away from Tehran. Uh, you had been one of

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Speaker 14: you had been very not adamant, but you say, hey, look,

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Speaker 14: I don't think President Trump's gotten into an escalatory trap, right.

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Speaker 14: I think that he's really thinking this thing through and

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Speaker 14: he's trying to avoid that. Can you give us your

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Speaker 14: update on that, as you see, because last night was

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Speaker 14: a quite intense and I think would surprise some people.

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Speaker 14: They said he started to take out, particular the bridges.

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Speaker 14: They took out some bridges where one would say, well,

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Speaker 14: hang on, I thought we'd worn't on it. I thought

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Speaker 14: we were going to wait. If you couldn't get a deal,

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Speaker 14: you know, in a week or two you were going

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Speaker 14: to do that. Looks like it came up pretty early

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Speaker 14: in the punch list or target list for Senkam.

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Speaker 13: Your thoughts, well, my thoughts are too.

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Speaker 16: See. First, we want to remember that Saddam Hussein attacked

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Speaker 16: Iran in nineteen eighty because he thought the Iranians were

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Speaker 16: going to be a pushover. He thought that revolutionary Iran

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Speaker 16: was weak and that he could just slice off a

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Speaker 16: province of Iran, the southwestern province, and occupy it and

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Speaker 16: the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 2: Would yield to that.

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Speaker 16: So he was thinking he had a limited aim strategy,

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Speaker 16: was going to fight a limited war, and that turned

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Speaker 16: in immediately, almost immediately, to total war that lasted eight years.

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Speaker 16: So we always want to bear in mind, of course,

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Speaker 16: the Persians, that Iron is not going to be a pushover,

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Speaker 16: that they're the regime and the Iranian people, the Persian

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Speaker 16: people are formidable, of course, and we're seeing that as

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Speaker 16: we're looking at the videos that you're showing today. Second

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Speaker 16: point to keep in mind, so it Sod almost saying

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Speaker 16: thought he was going to get a quick and easy victory,

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Speaker 16: and it turned out that he got a hellish conflict

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Speaker 16: that rivaled World War One, as we referenced earlier. Secondly,

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Speaker 16: with respect to the target set, so President Trump said,

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Speaker 16: of course in his address that he was thinking considering

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Speaker 16: expanding the target set from the military targets and the

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Speaker 16: objectives that Secretary of Rubio laid out and that President

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Speaker 16: Trump laid out to infrastructure right to the oil to

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Speaker 16: water and other aspects of civilian infrastructure. And you did

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Speaker 16: see with that bridge hit obviously a taste. I see

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Speaker 16: what President Trump is doing is conveying to the Iranians,

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Speaker 16: of course, that we can escalate, we can broad in

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Speaker 16: the target set. But and that was an indication that

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Speaker 16: we could do. So if they don't yield, more is

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Speaker 16: to come, right so that there would be additional attacks,

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Speaker 16: leaving aside what Israel would do, but from the US perspective,

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Speaker 16: there would be additional.

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Speaker 13: How is that? But how is that civilian instruction? Hang on?

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Speaker 13: How is that? And I want to get to Whiker

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Speaker 13: in a second.

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Speaker 14: But this because I think delving into the Iraq around

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Speaker 14: war is quite important here for people to understand because

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Speaker 14: these folks in the Middle East, I mean, they think

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Speaker 14: they got vendettas from a thousand years ago, right, they

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Speaker 14: got a vendetta from the Crusades. It's not like in

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Speaker 14: America where people most people were not the warmaw audio.

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Speaker 14: It's because you guys are worth to being this. But

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Speaker 14: you're going to see ann at MSNBC or as some

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Speaker 14: of these youth groups and they're going Iran, Iraq fought.

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Speaker 13: What are you talking about? I didn't know that.

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Speaker 14: The the Iranian people, the Persians, how do they They

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Speaker 14: don't know any of this. And we're not even sure

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Speaker 14: what the leadership is because they're so dispersed. But the

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Speaker 14: internet's totally shut down. All they see is that they're

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Speaker 14: bombing first the military targets or communications. The next thing

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Speaker 14: you know, you're taking out bridges and taking out the

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Speaker 14: basic functions of life. It was like the Israelis bombing

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Speaker 14: the oil you know, the old depots on Saturday night

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Speaker 14: and causing a firestorm like Dresden a couple of Saturday

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Speaker 14: nights ago. Uh, and then UH and then coming back

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Speaker 14: a couple of days later and bombing the week later

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Speaker 14: and bombing the gas fields. The Iranian people are completely

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Speaker 14: blacked out, right, There's there's no starlink, there's no internet.

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Speaker 14: UH is one of the reasons we tucked took out

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Speaker 14: command and control. So how is this signaling? Is this

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Speaker 14: going just too we hope the Iranian whatever's left of

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Speaker 14: the Iranian Guard and all this dispersion, and still we

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Speaker 14: can't get we can't get face to face negotiations. We're

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Speaker 14: going through some of the most nefarious people in the world,

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Speaker 14: the Pakistanis or the Turks or I mean, this is

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Speaker 14: kind of what I'm not saying upsets me. But in

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Speaker 14: this region of the world, starting in Israel and going

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Speaker 14: to Saudi Arabia and going to UAE and going to Pakistan,

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Speaker 14: you can't trust any of them. You can't trust any

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Speaker 14: of them. None of them have America's interest in hearts.

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Speaker 14: And so, doctor Thayer, when you're saying this bombing, how

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Speaker 14: is that what is being communicated to the Persians.

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Speaker 16: Well, what's being communicated, of course, is that we can

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Speaker 16: escalate and that we could go after additional targets, an

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Speaker 16: economic target set that would greatly hurt the Iranian economy.

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Speaker 2: We haven't done that yet.

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Speaker 16: Our objectives as they've been laid out, don't require that,

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Speaker 16: but it's something that we could do. Likewise, the threat

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Speaker 16: is a present from the eighty second and from the

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Speaker 16: Marines that the United States could take carg Island as

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Speaker 16: has been discussed many times, or other parts of.

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Speaker 2: Iran.

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Speaker 16: So there's the threat of escalation to attempt to coerce

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Speaker 16: clearly the Iranian government to come to some type of

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Speaker 16: an agreement, which is what President Trump wants. All of

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Speaker 16: this should be expected, as President Trump has identified, this

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Speaker 16: is going to be going on for weeks, right, We're

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Speaker 16: going to have you know, weeks, two or three weeks more.

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Speaker 14: Of course in the conflict, what you believe now is

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Speaker 14: going to go more than two weeks. But Hanger, So

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Speaker 14: I'm gonna come back to you. I want to go

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Speaker 14: back to this round war because one of the engine rooms,

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Speaker 14: one of our engine room personnel just bring somebody said, hey,

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Speaker 14: look at the time that this war took place. People

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Speaker 14: got to remember what it was like back then, the

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Speaker 14: Persians under the Shaw it was a different Middle East.

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Speaker 14: Israel wasn't our big ally. Our big ally was.

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Speaker 13: Irag the Shaw. They had the most sophisticated weapons systems.

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Speaker 13: In fact, one of the reasons.

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Speaker 14: That it got so big and intense is that the

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Speaker 14: weapons industry had a customer, another customer besides the US government,

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Speaker 14: and particularly with the wind down of the Vietnam War,

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Speaker 14: they're always looking for new markets.

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Speaker 13: They were loaded up.

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Speaker 14: When I went to Officer Candidate school in Newport, I

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Speaker 14: think we had a couple of hundred midship and go

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Speaker 14: through every class.

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Speaker 13: You know, we're ninety day wonders. There were five hundred Iranians.

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Speaker 14: They would all send them to Newport, Rhode Island for

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Speaker 14: their first training, and then they would disperse them out

660
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Speaker 14: to go get down to Texas or Pensacola to learn

661
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Speaker 14: how to fly, or they go to other aspects for

662
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Speaker 14: military preparedness. We were my point in that time in

663
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Speaker 14: the All Volunteer Force post Vietnam, we were training as

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Speaker 14: many Persians over here as we were training people to go.

665
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Speaker 14: Because at that time we didn't have Reagan six hundred

666
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Speaker 14: ship Navy. You had two hundred. I think we had

667
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Speaker 14: two hundred and fifty ships. The Navy was quite small.

668
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Speaker 14: When I got in and we were training as many

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Speaker 14: as Iranians when.

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Speaker 13: The Shaw fell. That was the strategic.

671
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Speaker 14: Ally of the United States, and we pumped in the

672
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Speaker 14: most sophisticated weapons systems in the world when we were

673
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Speaker 14: thrown out unceremoniously right in seventy nine when the Shaw left,

674
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Speaker 14: and then when they seized the embassy. Brandon Wiker in

675
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Speaker 14: your book what Sodom was saying, because he's always the

676
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Speaker 14: cleverest guy, right, it wasn't just taking a province. He

677
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Speaker 14: was going for a deep strike to take the oil.

678
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 14: He thought, Hey, these guys are all messed up. You

679
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 14: got this crazy guy from Paris. They're all you know,

680
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 14: they've thrown all their officers dead, all the leaders of

681
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Speaker 14: the Iranian mill if they don't know how to use

682
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Speaker 14: this equipment. And I just want people to understand something.

683
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Speaker 14: When they had their ba because you see President Trump

684
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Speaker 14: telling the Europeans, hey, hormuses precious, you just go in

685
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Speaker 14: and seize the oil. The last time someone tried to

686
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Speaker 14: seize their oil, they sent nine year old kids and

687
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Speaker 14: they took a million casualties. You know why, because they

688
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Speaker 14: don't care. Okay, they don't care. They sent nine year

689
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Speaker 14: old kids to beat a Saddama saying, you know what

690
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Speaker 14: they did, They fought himTo a standoff. And I would

691
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Speaker 14: actually say I think they kind of in their mind

692
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Speaker 14: they beating Brandon Wide.

693
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Speaker 5: Well, if I can just build off that, I would

694
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Speaker 5: argue the straight line from the end of the Iran

695
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Speaker 5: Iraq War to Desert Storm to two thousand and three

696
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Speaker 5: collapse of Saddam Hussein. It all goes back to the

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Speaker 5: iron I Roq war. Had Saddam never named done that,

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Speaker 5: I don't think there would have ever been any problems

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Speaker 5: with Iraq and Kuwait, or Iraq and US. That was

700
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Speaker 5: all a downstream of unintended consequence of the Irana Rock War.

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Speaker 14: Because you're sticking around, hang on, people, don't, okay. Nineteen

702
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Speaker 14: seventy nine, three things happened that changed, and this was

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Speaker 14: the most important.

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Speaker 13: Geopolitical year in post World War two.

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Speaker 14: They the Shaw Fell this, you know, the Islamic Revolution.

706
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Speaker 14: Because up until then most of these guys were Arab nationalists.

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Speaker 14: It was kind of secular. The shaw was obviously very secular,

708
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Speaker 14: but the Arabs were secular. The Muslim Brotherhood was getting

709
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Speaker 14: in there in both Egypt and you know where Nasa

710
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Speaker 14: had been and said, and in Syria, you had, you

711
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Speaker 14: had the fall of the Shaw in nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 14: you had the siege of the Great Mosque, which they

713
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Speaker 14: never they never talk about it anymore. They seized the

714
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Speaker 14: Great Mosque right in the Saudist free This was the beginning.

715
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Speaker 14: And then you had the Russians going to Afghanistan YEP,

716
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Speaker 14: of which the Americans obviously we funded the musjah Hadeen

717
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Speaker 14: to beat them back. And so all of this from

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Speaker 14: nineteen seventy nine is all in a shirrecury linked to today.

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Speaker 14: And those people don't forget that history, that history is

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Speaker 14: as alive to them today as it just happened to us.

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Speaker 14: You mentioned nineteen seventy nine, people go, well, oh, you

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Speaker 14: know what in what was the rock music that was

723
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Speaker 14: number one? Or didn't the Yankees win the World Series? No,

724
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Speaker 14: they don't think like that. They think very differently. History

725
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Speaker 14: is the lived history of that of today, of today's

726
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Speaker 14: lived experience is informed by their history. And as now

727
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Speaker 14: we have a search and rescue attempt in a providence

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Speaker 14: near the Tigers Tigris and Euphrates River right down there

729
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Speaker 14: on the Iraq border, keep that in mind.

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Speaker 13: Keep that in mind as you pray today on Good

731
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Speaker 13: Friday for.

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Speaker 14: Our American pilots and the search and rescue teams that

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Speaker 14: are there to retrieve them.

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Speaker 13: Short break back in a moment, God, we rejoice. Let's

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Speaker 13: take down.

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Speaker 8: Here's your host, Stephen K.

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Speaker 10: Bath.

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Speaker 14: So I don't think the networks are confirming this, but

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Speaker 14: CNN's had somewhere putting up. Let's play CNN. Jack Pisobik's

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Speaker 14: gonna join Brandon Wikert. And before we go to that,

741
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Speaker 14: real quickly, Brandon, about the Iron Iraq war, remember you

742
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Speaker 14: mentioned saren gas and the gash that was used later

743
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Speaker 14: when he used it because he was outnumbered and he

744
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Speaker 14: had these nine year old kids coming in when not

745
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Speaker 14: all nine years but young people coming in waves.

746
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Speaker 13: He did use saren gas. He did use on the Kurds.

747
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Speaker 14: Of course, that was used against him years later, and

748
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Speaker 14: his weapons of mass destruction. The same people on Fox

749
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Speaker 14: cheerleading this war right now were the same exact crowd.

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Speaker 14: Lindsey Graham and that crowd cheering, you know, Bill Crystal

751
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Speaker 14: were gonna be you know, they're gonna be throwing roses

752
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Speaker 14: in front of the US Marines they go to Baghdad.

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Speaker 14: Those guys are the guys that were saying, Sadimoseane is

754
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Speaker 14: the biggest monster in the world right because he used

755
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Speaker 14: he used gas did in the United States. Then we

756
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Speaker 14: make it, memory serves me correctly. They made would then

757
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Speaker 14: we make a deal to provide that to him.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we claimed it was to provide pesticides. It was

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Speaker 5: the precursor for pesticides, but in fact it was the

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Speaker 5: precursor for sarah gas. And it was the young Don

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Speaker 5: Rumsfeld who became George W. Bush's Secretary of Defense during

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Speaker 5: the Iraq War. Young Don Rumsfeld was the frontman for

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Speaker 5: that deal in the nineteen eighties between Saddam and the US.

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Speaker 13: Hangar.

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Speaker 14: One second, let's play CNN's reporting of this, and we'll

766
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Speaker 14: bring in Jack Besovie to join us.

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Speaker 10: Tell us more.

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Speaker 4: About what you're learning about these claims from Iron that

769
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Speaker 4: its forces down a US fighter.

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Speaker 7: Judge Camela, I'm gonna be very careful because the information

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Speaker 7: we have at this point is incomplete.

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Speaker 2: But here's what we know.

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Speaker 7: Iranian state media is reporting that search and rescue operations

774
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Speaker 7: are underway in southwestern Iran by the US for downed pilots.

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Speaker 7: As you noted, they previously claimed today that they had

776
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Speaker 7: shot down a US aircraft. There are videos that have

777
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Speaker 7: been circulating online which appear to show a refueling operation

778
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Speaker 7: in the air. An aircraft refueling to helicopters would at

779
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Speaker 7: least which would at least be consistent with a search

780
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Speaker 7: and rescue operation. Earlier, as you noted, there were pictures

781
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Speaker 7: posted and shared by Iranian state media which appear to

782
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Speaker 7: show a piece of a piece of wreckage from a

783
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Speaker 7: US aircraft, consistent with an F fifteen. CNN has repeatedly

784
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Speaker 7: reached out to Central Command US Central Command and has

785
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Speaker 7: not yet received comment on whether a jet was indeed

786
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Speaker 7: shot down and whether search and rescue operations are underway.

787
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Speaker 7: We continue to seek comment from them. I don't have

788
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Speaker 7: to tell you, Pamela or Wolf the seriousness of this

789
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Speaker 7: if it is confirmed that his jet has been shot

790
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Speaker 7: down and that those pilots are on the ground either

791
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Speaker 7: been captured, or that Iranian authorities are now looking for them.

792
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Speaker 7: But again we're treating this with caution because the information

793
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Speaker 7: is incomplete at this hour. Our reporting from CNN regards

794
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Speaker 7: a US military assessment that has found that even after

795
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Speaker 7: close to a month of war now and the US

796
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Speaker 7: striking more than twelve thousand targets in Iran, that Iran

797
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Speaker 7: maintains a missile capability, that it still has fifty percent

798
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Speaker 7: of its missile launchers, fifty percent of its one way

799
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Speaker 7: attack drones, as well as a significant percentage of its

800
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Speaker 7: coastal defense missiles. Those particularly important because it allows Iran

801
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Speaker 7: to project power over the Persian Gulf and the Strait

802
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Speaker 7: of Horror moves to threaten shipping there, not just shipping

803
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Speaker 7: of oil, fertilizer containers, etc. But also potentially US warships

804
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Speaker 7: operating in that area. We're told that, according to the assessment,

805
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Speaker 7: while the US has had great success striking multiple ballistic

806
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Speaker 7: missile tars, gets, launchers, missile storage facilities, that it has

807
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Speaker 7: been more difficult to strike mobile missile launchers and to

808
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Speaker 7: strike both launchers and missiles that are stored underground. The

809
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Speaker 7: response has been to try to strike the entrances to

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Speaker 7: those underground storage facilities to block them in, and it

811
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Speaker 7: seems that they've had some success there, but at a minimum,

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Speaker 7: Iran maintains what I think you could call remarkable capability

813
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Speaker 7: a month into the war, and that helps explain the fire,

814
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Speaker 7: the continuing incoming fire we've seen here in Tel Aviv.

815
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Speaker 7: In fact, just a few minutes ago we were back

816
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Speaker 7: in the shelter here in Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 15: Once again, it looks like it's real, unfortunately, and based

818
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Speaker 15: on the pictures that we've seen so far, it is

819
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Speaker 15: consistent with an F fifteen, not an F thirty five

820
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 15: as the Iranians have said, but an F fifteen. So

821
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Speaker 15: one of the key things about this is the F

822
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Speaker 15: fifteen is not a stealth fighter. It's a older generation aircraft.

823
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Speaker 15: It is designed for multiple missions, but mainly air superiority

824
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Speaker 15: type missions, and it is vulnerable to the kind of

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Speaker 15: anti aircraft fire that the Iranians are capable of conducting.

826
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Speaker 15: So I you know, in conjunction with the reporting from

827
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Speaker 15: the US intelligence community that says that the Iranians still

828
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Speaker 15: have major capabilities, this is one more evidence piece of

829
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Speaker 15: evidence that they have those capabilities, and it's dangerous still

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Speaker 15: for a pilot, especially you.

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Speaker 13: Know, Jack Pasoba gets pretty amazing.

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Speaker 14: After I think eleven thousand or twelve thousand combat sorties,

833
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Speaker 14: they finally if this is true.

834
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Speaker 13: Sentcom has not.

835
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Speaker 14: Confirmed it, but it's been a remarkable record so far.

836
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Speaker 14: But these type of things happen when you're in a

837
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Speaker 14: shooting war. You're gonna have pilot shotdown, you're a plane shotdown,

838
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Speaker 14: You're gonna have search and rescue. And the danger of

839
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Speaker 14: search and rescue is is what is a magnitude even

840
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Speaker 14: more than the pilot's going in the first time. Your

841
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 14: thoughts are.

842
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Speaker 17: Well, Steve, that's absolutely right, and I would remind everyone

843
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 17: that it was that friendly fire incident over Kuwait where

844
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Speaker 17: the was again three of the F fifteen Eagles that

845
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 17: were shut down in that friendly fire incident. But in

846
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Speaker 17: that incident, all of the pilots and crew, the Wizzo,

847
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Speaker 17: the weapons officers were able to eject and were safely recovered.

848
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Speaker 17: So there are indications that we've seen this already in

849
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 17: Operation Epic Fury, where there's been ejections and recovery. Now,

850
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 17: of course not over Indian territory Indian country, like this

851
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 17: is here in Iran, and that's why those CESAR missions

852
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 17: are out there the way that they are. But it

853
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Speaker 17: seems to be that every indication is that with them

854
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 17: flying low and slow the way they are, that they

855
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Speaker 17: do perhaps have indications that an ejection did take place

856
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Speaker 17: so the pilots can be recovered.

857
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Speaker 2: Of course, we're also.

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Speaker 17: Monitoring Iranian channels on telegram and other places to see

859
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Speaker 17: if locals attempt to pick.

860
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Speaker 13: Up the pilot.

861
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Speaker 17: And we saw that in Kuwait in a number of times,

862
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Speaker 17: so we will see what happens there. And Steve, I

863
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 17: just got to say, man Jim Shudo, seriously, this guy

864
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 17: is he'd like never served the day in his life.

865
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Speaker 17: He is the biggest want to be over at CNN

866
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Speaker 17: sitting over there in Tel Aviv.

867
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Speaker 13: Look at me, Look.

868
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Speaker 17: He's no Bamba staffer, all right, this guy was no

869
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 17: bombastafter they stuck him over with Gary Locke in the

870
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Speaker 17: US Embassy in Beijing, and he's running around, look at me,

871
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 17: look at me like he served. He's the biggest joke

872
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 17: every time I see him. Unconstituted, rushigat or all of.

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00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 13: It real quickly. Sencom has not confirmed any of this.

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00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 14: Correct, It's been total lockdown on any any confirmation.

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Speaker 17: Well, it's at one point that Sencom was actually denying

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Speaker 17: I think that they were denying that an F thirty

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Speaker 17: five had been shot down. And yet we are getting

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Speaker 17: the axio CNN and the reports are beginning to come out.

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Speaker 17: No official word yet.

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Speaker 14: Okay, hangover a second short commercial break back in the

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Speaker 14: warm with the entire team in a moment