WEBVTT - Interviewing Matt Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Brady, and I'm here with my co host Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Scott and today we're going to talk about my favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about you, me. I love talking

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<v Speaker 2>about me. This is going to be the easiest podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever, which or not, which I think is really fun

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<v Speaker 1>because we've done now twenty podcasts and we're so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for the response to the podcast. We're so thankful for

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<v Speaker 1>all of you that loves the feedback.

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<v Speaker 2>To get a lot of feedback on social and really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you ever have questions or suggestions, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you need for me to do something a little different

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<v Speaker 1>or for Matt to do something a little different. We

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<v Speaker 1>are very new to all this. We have a passion

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<v Speaker 1>for the subject, but we are not professional podcasters, So

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<v Speaker 1>any suggestions that you have, we'd love to hear more.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you all for subscribing and for listening. And

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<v Speaker 1>that leads us to why we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the subject today is learning more about who Matt is

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<v Speaker 1>and his background and asking him some questions that I

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<v Speaker 1>think will shed some light on why he is the

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<v Speaker 1>co host on this podcast. In his history. So, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for taking some time today to be the one

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<v Speaker 1>being interviewed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I'm I'm stoked. I love talking about myself,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I learned a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 2>you even today. I mean we have known each other

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<v Speaker 2>for over a decade, which is so which is so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And I learned today that you went to school for

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<v Speaker 2>international politics and for even some cybersecurity and international relations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The goal was to end up, you know, foreign intelligence,

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of three letter agency. And then I found

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<v Speaker 2>out they paid like thirty five grand a year that

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<v Speaker 2>I could write about cars and have fun and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>live the life I really wanted to live and make

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<v Speaker 2>the same amount of money. Not that it's all about money,

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<v Speaker 2>but my life is definitely all about the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really passionate about. And you know, since I've been

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<v Speaker 2>five years old, that has been cars. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anything else but cars. Well, and and tell

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<v Speaker 2>us a little bit about that. I can see this

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<v Speaker 2>picture in my mind of a of a five year

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<v Speaker 2>old very ginger kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not ginger, I'm not ginger. Now you were you

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<v Speaker 1>were in a fully suspended race car at five years old. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I tell us that the first time I drove

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<v Speaker 2>a race car that was my actual race car, I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was technically four. It was the day before

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<v Speaker 2>my fifth birthday because at five you became eligible to

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<v Speaker 2>race quarter midgets. And I grew up in the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though I'm an avid West Coaster now, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a corn fed Midwesterner that used to race you know,

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<v Speaker 2>circle track and dirt track.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think when you're five years old and

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of groomed to be a racing driver, which

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<v Speaker 2>you know, until I was fifteen sixteen, that's that's that

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<v Speaker 2>was my that was my life in the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, you know football dads or hockey dads

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. You know, my dad, Jim Scott, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we raced every weekend together, and I mean that I

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<v Speaker 2>love that, Like, you know, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>drives me to be successful now is I want to

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<v Speaker 2>go back racing with my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so basically from five to being an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I raced everything started in quarter midgets and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of everything a bunch of road corps,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of you know, a lot of circle track stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I guess it just changes things, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at a young age when you are having to communicate

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<v Speaker 2>at five years old, you know to your crew chief,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad that you know, the car is a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit loose going into turn three. It's not a thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I guess most five year olds are thinking. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's never it's never shut off. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I got into reviewing cars and I've had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a modest success with that and the writing thing, because

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<v Speaker 2>to a degree has come second nature for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of those weird guys that.

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<v Speaker 2>Can feel the the you know, there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>too much preload on the right rear shock or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I don't know. I'm just a car guy and

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<v Speaker 1>I love it well. And that's an It leads to

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<v Speaker 1>a couple questions on the driving side, because one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I've noticed is once people shift from driving recreationally

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<v Speaker 1>to semi professionally or professionally or even in a very

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<v Speaker 1>advanced amateur way where they're getting a lot of training,

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<v Speaker 1>so much shifts for them. What are some of your

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<v Speaker 1>key takeaways that you've had as a driver that have

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<v Speaker 1>then influenced who you are as a traveler and then

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<v Speaker 1>even as a businessman, smooth as fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one thing that I always that has just

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<v Speaker 2>drilled into my head.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my my.

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<v Speaker 2>Uncle is is a racing instructor. He's been a racing instructor,

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<v Speaker 2>used to be with Skip Barber from the eighties and

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<v Speaker 2>now he works at BMW and kind of everybody. But

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<v Speaker 2>he always drilled that into my head. And that's something

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<v Speaker 2>that that stuck with me through travel. You know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>smooth travel is just proper preparation. You know, it's figuring out,

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out what you're doing, and in business too, just

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<v Speaker 2>keeping it, keeping a cool head.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that what you just said brought me back

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<v Speaker 1>to within the first couple of months of you starting

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<v Speaker 1>to work with us, you had a jeep wrangler. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>it was horrible. Yeah, and we were we were up

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<v Speaker 1>we were up in the mountains outside of Prescott, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were working through a pretty technical trail in the snow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I remember I had given you a couple

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of advice and and you just like I saw

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<v Speaker 1>all the bulbs come on and You're like, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like racing. I need to be smooth in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get through this range.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I guess race car, four wheel drive, vehicle, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and anything with four wheels, two wheels that has a motor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's all about just inputs, right, So if you're

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<v Speaker 2>smooth with your inputs off road, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>break traction.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're smooth off road, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The second best thing that always sticks in the automotive

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<v Speaker 2>is something you taught me that off roading is like

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<v Speaker 2>a chess game, right, And I think by being smooth

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<v Speaker 2>through that chess game, that's that's how you win.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and you're thinking a couple moves ahead, Ryeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're focused on the trail immediately in front of you,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to miss setting yourself up exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I was always taught you know, if I'm going into

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<v Speaker 2>turn three, I'm looking through turn four, you're looking not

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<v Speaker 2>at where you're you know, you look where you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go, You're not looking at where you're going. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the same thing applies for off road.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think on the car front, then if you

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<v Speaker 2>could have any car not a full wheel drive right now,

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<v Speaker 2>what would you what would you buy?

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<v Speaker 1>Anything? Anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably a nine to eleven, nice you're I really like

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<v Speaker 2>the nine nine sevens. It's before they got too big.

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<v Speaker 2>It's after the reliability and quality issues of the nine

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<v Speaker 2>to ninety six and the ugly headlights.

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<v Speaker 1>They're good value.

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<v Speaker 2>There's still a kind of emotional vehicle. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>still feel the still feel the engine rumbled just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And could that be a track car for you? Would

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<v Speaker 1>that be the thing that gets you back into racing

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<v Speaker 1>with your dad?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if if I was to get back into racing,

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<v Speaker 2>it'd have to be in a race car, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it would be like trying to take your

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<v Speaker 2>you know, year Tacoma that you've built for overlanding and

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<v Speaker 2>do the one thousand in it. Right, There's just there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many differences. And honestly, taking a street car to

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<v Speaker 2>the track as a primary thing, I've never understood that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I raised Formula cars so I could buy

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty thousand dollars used Formula.

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<v Speaker 1>Mazda or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mazda or Formula Enterprise is a series that I

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<v Speaker 2>that I follow, and I can turn Lamborghini Super Fail

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<v Speaker 2>lap times than a twenty thousand dollars car that's well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's reable to service, and that's an that's an open

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<v Speaker 2>wheel car.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an open wheel car. Yeah, so that's interesting. So

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<v Speaker 1>and I hadn't considered that because for me, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that's that's maybe romantic is the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>getting a Lotus or getting a Porsche, or getting some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a of a car, grand touring car or

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<v Speaker 1>something that could even be on a track and then

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<v Speaker 1>taking it on and I think maybe it's just romantic,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's not actually the best choice. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that translates to the overlanding concept as well, is

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<v Speaker 1>that there are things that are actually really really good

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<v Speaker 1>for travel and it may not be the same vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>that we want, we want to build, or that we want.

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<v Speaker 2>To drive as a traveler. Yeah, I mean as a traveler,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is sprinter. Yeah right, But I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to I don't want to drive a delivery van. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think anybody wakes up and says, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to drive the same thing that the

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<v Speaker 2>FedEx guy drives. Like, no disrespect to the FedEx guy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure if he could drive a Jeep Wrangler

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<v Speaker 2>for his job, Yeah, he would probably drive a Jeep

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<v Speaker 2>Wrangler over a delivery van, sure, you know, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>very practical, you know, Yeah, clicks all the boxes where

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<v Speaker 2>you can live out of it, and it's secure and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm a car guy again, so there's I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the most practical. I like to have very purpose

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<v Speaker 2>built vehicles, like my Gladiator. I think is a good

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<v Speaker 2>example of that. It's it can kind of go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also stockish. But I'm stockish. Okay, I take

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<v Speaker 2>that back, right. It drives very well.

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<v Speaker 1>It drives well. You were very intentional about it. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that you're your Gladiator. Of all of

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<v Speaker 1>the eight hundred and sixty seven cars that you've purchased

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<v Speaker 1>since I've met you, was the one that surprised me

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<v Speaker 1>the most because it's the one that is the most practical.

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<v Speaker 2>I've owned it for almost a year now and I

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<v Speaker 2>have zero ow intentions of selling it. It just it works.

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<v Speaker 2>It does everything so well. So it's your version of

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<v Speaker 2>the Sprinter, It's it's my version.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Sprinter.

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<v Speaker 2>It has that at summit camper on the back. It's comfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>it's quiet camp in. It drives great, you know a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of wind noise, because I mean it is

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<v Speaker 2>a jeep, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember you had you had that Wrangler and

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<v Speaker 1>then you bought a one o nine land Rover. I

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<v Speaker 1>traded that Wrangler for that one o nine, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a deal. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>Wrangler was like a salvage title rusted to junk. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say that I traded a cross rocket for

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<v Speaker 1>it that had been dropped like twelve times when I

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty young. Right, it was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the like you know, track bar angles were

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<v Speaker 2>like something really grease.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was really good. But so you I remember

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<v Speaker 1>you got into that series three was it a series

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<v Speaker 1>series two? As And for me that is where it

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<v Speaker 1>all clicked.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the transition from from Midwest Matt to West

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<v Speaker 2>coast Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The jeep was a car I had in Illinois. We

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<v Speaker 2>drove through cornfields. I moved out here knowing very little

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<v Speaker 2>about travel. You know, I had always traveled racing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>every weekend we were driving to Indianapolis or wherever it

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<v Speaker 2>was in was in our region. But moving out here

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<v Speaker 2>was just a was a big change for me. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I still I still remember that that I call my

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<v Speaker 2>chest moment. That I realized, like I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>fly through everything that it was just like it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like racing. And I've and I've carried that with

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<v Speaker 2>me and the land Rover taught me. It taught me

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<v Speaker 2>that things were about passion and I and I had

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<v Speaker 2>actually had had had a land River before this. My

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<v Speaker 2>first car was a land River Discovery. I guess when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a kid that grew up around race car,

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<v Speaker 2>is the last thing that you really want is a you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I don't want to drive something slow on a

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<v Speaker 2>road with other people. And I still kind of feel

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<v Speaker 2>that way, but yeah, that was a big transition for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It made me realize that I loved travel, but I

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<v Speaker 2>also loved the how the vehicle could play a part

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<v Speaker 2>of that, like that the vehicle can be a traveler

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<v Speaker 2>in its own the vehicle can have a personality.

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<v Speaker 1>And that did I. I remember hearing you laugh and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing you smile more with that car than anything else

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like it was like the circus bear

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the tricycle. I mean it was like

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<v Speaker 1>literally it was so fun because it was spinning, it

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<v Speaker 1>was you were constantly having to.

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<v Speaker 2>You were working at That's where I learned how to

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<v Speaker 2>drive with that car. You know, it was so analog

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<v Speaker 2>And do you miss that with your You have such

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<v Speaker 2>capable vehicles, now do you miss that haphazardous sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the series. I think if I was to get another car,

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<v Speaker 2>get I'd get a flat fender. You know, my buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>my buddy Brad in Australia has a four GPW that

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<v Speaker 2>we've taken up Cape York, taken a Fraser Island, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of taken all over and you want to see me

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<v Speaker 2>smile and it's it's in something with breaks. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>work a gearbox, it doesn't want to go in gear

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, no power steering. I think everybody should

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<v Speaker 2>have those should have those experiences. And I agree, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it teaches you, like I now know what horrible axles are.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have the Salisbury in mind, so like I

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<v Speaker 2>had to learn how to replace an axle. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to you know, replace things.

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<v Speaker 1>And be really gentle as a driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, learn how to be smooth in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>I do realize, like even in my own history, that

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<v Speaker 1>some of the most fun that I've had was in

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicles that were the least suited for the activity

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<v Speaker 1>because then because then even a trip to Sedona like

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<v Speaker 1>we did that one day, was like an expedition because

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<v Speaker 1>it was like you had no idea if you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to make it, if you're going to get stuck,

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<v Speaker 1>if something was just going to stop working. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fun. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can definitely isolate yourself from adventure, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I if I was to critique myself, that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>something that I do. I have a you know, my personality.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to perfect things. I find joy in building

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful overland vehicles for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Something to anybody agree, Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's you know, now it's my travels that

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<v Speaker 2>have influenced my vehicles more so than you know. Early

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<v Speaker 2>it was the passion for the cars, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>found out I could travel on them as I got older.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm still young. I mean a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>probably think, well, I just turned thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, so.

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<v Speaker 2>When did I start working for Overland International? I still

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<v Speaker 2>had an Exhibition's West business card that I found the

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<v Speaker 2>other day, So I mean that was that was when

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<v Speaker 2>I was twenty. I was that was over ten those

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It had to have been more than that because we

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<v Speaker 1>started the corporation Overland International in twenty twelve. Yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it's been it's been a while, which is

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<v Speaker 1>it's just been fun to watch. But I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>was the launch pad for for I guess my career.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I started write for EXCISSI and

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<v Speaker 2>Portal before I moved out here a little bit. And yep,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people always ask me, well, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>learn how to write.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always say, well, just do it, because I

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<v Speaker 1>was not a.

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<v Speaker 2>Writer, you know when I first when I first started,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, like I I believed in ethics very strongly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had a very technical knowledge and understanding of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I didn't know how to use an

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<v Speaker 2>apostrophe appropriately.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I do. It takes time. And I remember mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>that to you. Is that the reason why I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you would be a great fit is that you always

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<v Speaker 1>told the truth and that you always had an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me that that that ethics is so critical.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the only time we've ever terminated an editor

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<v Speaker 1>is because of an ethics violation. So it's for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really that comes down to it, or else

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<v Speaker 1>the reader loses faith.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about the reader. You know, you're you are,

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<v Speaker 2>you are providing a service for that reader. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>providing a service for yourself. The reader doesn't really care about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the emotion, the contrived emotional backstory, like they

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<v Speaker 2>want to know the facts. They want to know the information.

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<v Speaker 2>And my style from that and mixing it into my

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<v Speaker 2>thing became entertained and inform and that's something that I've.

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<v Speaker 1>Always tried to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Writing about cars can be very technical, and it can

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<v Speaker 2>be very specific.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean that it has to be boring. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think for the listener that is I mean during

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<v Speaker 1>this time that we're in right now, which this is

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<v Speaker 1>being recorded during a time that a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>country is still under a shelter in place order and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are trying to start their own podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're trying to start their own website, or they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to write for an outlet like Overland Journal or

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<v Speaker 1>Expedition Portal. A little bit of advice that comes along

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<v Speaker 1>with this interview, and that I watched Matt execute very

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<v Speaker 1>well when you started working with us, is focus on

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<v Speaker 1>the reader first. Focus on telling a great story that

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<v Speaker 1>is evergreen, that can last a long time, because those

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<v Speaker 1>articles like that really provide a strong return on investment

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<v Speaker 1>to the publisher that you're working with. But if I

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<v Speaker 1>was to give anyone that's listening advice is don't just

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<v Speaker 1>pitch a publisher like, hey, I'd like to write for you.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing that you can do, because publishers and

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<v Speaker 1>editors are extremely busy. The best thing that you can

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<v Speaker 1>do is find a great story. Write the entire thing up,

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<v Speaker 1>have all of the images ready to go in a

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<v Speaker 1>dropbox or on a Google drive, have all of the

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<v Speaker 1>images edited, have the article completely edited. Then send the

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<v Speaker 1>publisher or editor a note and say I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about your magazine. I have purchased several copies, I understand

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<v Speaker 1>your writing style. I have provided a complete story for

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<v Speaker 1>your consideration totally, and I can tell you that our

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<v Speaker 1>editors they pick up stories like that all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I think the challenge is that if someone says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to write for you, that going to the

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<v Speaker 1>editor knows that now this is a twenty step process

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<v Speaker 1>to get to a final piece. Whereas if somebody says

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<v Speaker 1>I love your publication. I have purchased your publication. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a reader of your publication. I understand your style and

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<v Speaker 1>your style guide, and I've delivered a product that you

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<v Speaker 1>could put to print. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think when you're submitting something to an editor,

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to be something that, to the best of

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<v Speaker 2>your ability, is ready to run in that publication. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred words does not mean that two thousand is better, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It means that he really wanted fourteen hundred, right, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And that was an interesting thing. I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I was running exhibition portal, it was

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<v Speaker 2>cool to work with all these travelers. And it's interesting

0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.520
<v Speaker 2>like some of the people that I that I worked with,

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<v Speaker 2>even at a young age, you know, I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of able to help improve their writing and help improve

0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and send them on the right direction. And now these

0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.960
<v Speaker 2>people have turned into writers full time. You know that

0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.679
<v Speaker 2>that's how they're sustaining themselves, trying. As the industry has grown,

0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 2>there's been more and more opportunity for people and all

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<v Speaker 2>think of all of the friends that we have that

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<v Speaker 2>are writing for for us or writing for other outlets.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of great magazines, And that leads me

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<v Speaker 2>to the question, how did it feel when you had

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<v Speaker 2>your first article published by Outside? You know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty cool, Like I've I've followed Outside for

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<v Speaker 2>a really long time. You know, they they really lead

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of outdoor journalism. I agree, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was really lucky. I became really good friends with

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<v Speaker 2>my editor, my current editor over there, Wes Wes Siler,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he's been another one of those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of mentors in my life that was never afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me what I was doing wrong. He really helped

0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>refine my writing style. So yeah, so, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess going back to the first time, I was elated.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I sent it to everybody I know and

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<v Speaker 2>it was so cool, like here's my name on that

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<v Speaker 2>massive But it was the same way the first time

0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I was publishing Overland Journal, the first time I was

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<v Speaker 2>published on Expission Portal. Like, you know, I was working

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<v Speaker 2>for land Rover at the time, and I don't even

0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>know how that worked. So I was working for land Rover,

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<v Speaker 2>decided to I mean, I dropped out of school and

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<v Speaker 2>decided to make the cars my life. And my kind

0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.359
<v Speaker 2>of performance driving background got me and got me in

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<v Speaker 2>the door with doing some some training with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>then moved to Panama. But I don't know, I still

0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 2>love getting published.

0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think Outside Magazine was the first magazine that

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<v Speaker 1>I ever subscribed to, and I remember the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that my words ended up in print in Outside. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just it felt to me like as nearly as

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<v Speaker 1>exciting as the first time that I printed in Overland Journal.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't do a huge amount with them, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think the stuff that I do is relatively significant.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is, Yeah, you're there, you know, full

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<v Speaker 1>Drive Automotive Journal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Wes is pretty competent too, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know he knows the stuff. But yeah, it's it's it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ah. I don't know how much you guys know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I I also own a company called Adventure Imports.

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<v Speaker 2>Not trying to plug that necessarily, but you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's my day job.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've kind of transitioned away from you know, full time

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<v Speaker 2>editorial after I was running a magazine called Unsealed four

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<v Speaker 2>by four in Australia and I live down there and

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<v Speaker 2>then move back to start this business. But now it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a passion project. For me, it's so it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>cool I can take more time to do things. I

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<v Speaker 2>can really you know, put my best work out there

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:38.919
<v Speaker 2>and I and I love doing that, and I love

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 2>doing this podcast too, Like it's it's nice to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>over the time that I've been doing this and the

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<v Speaker 2>countries I've been to, in the places I've traveled, it's

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.119
<v Speaker 2>nice to be able to share that information, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And something that's really you know, passionate that I'm passionate

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.199
<v Speaker 2>about is that overlanding is about travel. Like I mean,

0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm a huge car guy. I geek out on building

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<v Speaker 2>these things. But for me, it's it all comes back

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<v Speaker 2>to the travel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like for myself too that it's relatively balanced.

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<v Speaker 1>I was probably more about the vehicle early on, but

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<v Speaker 1>now I don't. I don't enjoy it any less. I

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<v Speaker 1>still I love turning wrenches myself. For me, it is

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<v Speaker 1>my downtime is busting knuckles and getting dirty hands. So

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<v Speaker 1>I like working on my own vehicle and I still

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like with COVID, I've been working on my land Cruiser,

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<v Speaker 2>like I've been gigging out rebuilding doors, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but trying to trying to keep the parts, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep things original. But okay, let's figure out how we

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild a window motor, Let's figure out how we rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>this doorhande. Let's figure out how we can make these

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<v Speaker 2>things better.

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<v Speaker 1>And and then that way, when you drive it around

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<v Speaker 1>the world, you know how that all goes together. You've

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<v Speaker 1>actually exactly, you've actually turned the wrenches on that car.

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<v Speaker 1>Which leads me to a few more questions, primarily around

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<v Speaker 1>your travels. But you grew up in Chicago, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you did move out west, and then you ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in Panama, and now tell a little bit of that story,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's a great Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I ran a hostel down there for a brief

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<v Speaker 2>period called I mean it was called Panama Passage, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that was really that was a huge fulcrum point

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<v Speaker 2>or transition point for me as a person, because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say I was twenty or twenty. It was

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<v Speaker 2>right before I moved here. I was I was running

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<v Speaker 2>a hostele for international travelers. So like, yeah, I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>friends with people that I met there. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it, sorry, Christian, but I was drunk

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of it, and you know, just being

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<v Speaker 2>in this environment and learning how to ship vehicles because

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing it every single day, learning how to

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<v Speaker 2>do the paperwork. I mean that was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things is we would help travelers ship their vehicles. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Panama was cool to live right downtown. That was really

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<v Speaker 2>an experience that.

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<v Speaker 1>What a neat city. Really cool, really really cool. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people have no idea how mod I remember I was

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<v Speaker 1>going downtown to meet with the ship or because we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to be shipping the vehicles from after we

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<v Speaker 1>went to the dairy and gap, and I remember going

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<v Speaker 1>downtown and there's like Porsche Cayenne, like oh yeah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like people have no idea. They think it's Central America

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<v Speaker 1>and it's third world, like Panama City not third world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some of the buildings that are pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this was obviously before his President Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>like a massive casino and beautiful building, massive there's sky rises. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it. It looks almost like Miami. It

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<v Speaker 2>really feels that way to me. But and of course, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you got the Panama Canal and all of I never

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<v Speaker 2>even saw. I never time to go back. I never

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<v Speaker 2>went to the to the locks. I lived like a

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<v Speaker 2>mile from the Miraflora's locks. It's that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's there's kind of this traveler hangout. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>uh say, it's a Balboa yacht club and you can

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<v Speaker 2>watch the boats.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's so good. I camped out there and that. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's awesome. So then so you you were in Panama,

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<v Speaker 1>then you ended up in Arizona for a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you moved internationally again, where did you go?

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I moved to Australia. There's a pit stop

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<v Speaker 1>in Pismo Beach there. That's when I'm right.

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<v Speaker 2>I met Laura and Prescott and then she's a wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>biologist and she was working at Pismo Dunes. She's my

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<v Speaker 2>dune driver. I love driving in the dunes. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she day in, day out drove Pismo Dunes. She mastered

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<v Speaker 2>its masterclass. Yeah, so when we moved to Australia, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I eventually moved on from that from that

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<v Speaker 2>magazine who I still write for. Still have a great

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with Pat Callanhan down there, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was cool to be able to do the Simpson

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<v Speaker 2>and just like throw her the keys and like, oh, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the biggest, dude, here's big.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I want to get some photos drive up at Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you'd get I wish you'd get stuck more.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's awesome. So you were in Australia for so

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<v Speaker 1>I lived.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in the Blue Mountains and made a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, just really dear friends down there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people people I still talk to. Yeah, Australia is a

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<v Speaker 2>special place for me. I spend quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>time there obviously with with with my business and importing

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<v Speaker 2>a few product lines from down there. And it's really

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<v Speaker 2>still it feels like a second home to me. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't it doesn't feel foreign. And you were there

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<v Speaker 2>for how long? I was there for a little over

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<v Speaker 2>a year, and then I spend about a month or

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<v Speaker 2>two a year there, usually.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes less, sometimes more. And then you've all one of

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<v Speaker 1>your places. I've asked you before when you're what's your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite place to travel? And you really love Asia?

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<v Speaker 2>What love Southeast Asia? What's some of the upsides of

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<v Speaker 2>Asia for you? Yeah, Overlanding for me is different, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Overland has to be the same for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I for I mean, I had like zero money for

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<v Speaker 2>the longest time, and I still don't, still don't. But

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<v Speaker 2>I realized, okay, I didn't. I didn't have the money

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<v Speaker 2>to buy a several thousand dollars roof tent or a

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<v Speaker 2>or an expensive vehicle or the things. So I started

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<v Speaker 2>going to Asia because I could just fly in, rent

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<v Speaker 2>a motorcycle or rent a scooter and have an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>adventure in a culture that was mind blowing. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>you think, if you think Baja is a cultural experience,

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<v Speaker 2>like I getting lost without cell service in Vietnam on

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<v Speaker 2>a scooter. There's no way to communicate. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 2>the alphabet's somewhat similar. But those are the experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>That I love. I love feels wild, I love the travel.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we've we've spent collectively probably a year traveling

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<v Speaker 2>around around Southeast Asia. I'm lucky to kind of scam

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<v Speaker 2>manage flight points a lot, so we you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>go there quite a bit. Unfortunately, with with COVID, that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be everything's on hold, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a hold, so but you know, that's life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Matt, thanks so much for answering some questions

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<v Speaker 1>and giving the listener a chance to learn a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about who you are. We could spend a

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<v Speaker 1>couple hours and of course complex, complex, varying and juxtapost Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and at only thirty, I can't imagine what the next

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years are going to you know, I'm excited about life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think after this this COVID thing is done, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope people kind of come together and I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for travelers, once the vaccine's out and everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>not paranoid about catching this thing, I hope it brings

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<v Speaker 2>people together. And I intend as soon as we're able

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<v Speaker 2>to travel, I'm going I'm going to go drive around

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to I'm going to do something and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got you've got a land cruiser to do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>for those that are listening, you can you can find

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<v Speaker 1>Matt tell Us your Instagram here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm Matt Explore on Instagram. I sporadically post I

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<v Speaker 2>occasionally find the apenoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's push notifications that I and then you

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<v Speaker 1>run adventure imports, Yeah, yeah, run Adventure Imports where the

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<v Speaker 1>so we we we will always disclose those in any

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<v Speaker 2>But because it's about the reader and in this case

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<v Speaker 2>the listener, not about us.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we thank you all so much for listening, and

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<v Speaker 1>we thank you all so much for learning a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about Matt. You can reach out to him

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