1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Hey, keep it down. I'm trying to get hypnagogic. It's 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: one more thing I'm strong. And we're talking about the 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: hypnagogic state, Jack, which is of course idaho no, I kid. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: It's a state of mind, a state of being. I 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking in this voice. 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: Say the word again. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: I think it's pronounced hypnagogic or gogic. Okay, hypna and 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: then go og I see what do you think it's Greek? Right, hypnagogic. 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know anyway. It's the twilight zone between sleep 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: and wakefulness, and there is ample evidence that it's like 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the most creative space your brain can be in. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: Usually we're talking about usually when you're waking up. 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: I guess, well, yeah, yeah, falling asleep, waking up, or 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: in drifting between sleep and wakefulness. They give a couple 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: of exams. Famously, Paul McCartney came up for the entire melody. 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: He woke up with the entire melody for Yesterday in 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: his head, and he I had not realized this. He 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: jumped straight out of bed, sat down at his piano, 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: picked out the melody on the keys, found the chords 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: to go with a melody and created some holding phrases, 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: famously scrambled eggs I think instead of yesterday, because he 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: knew he won three syllables as holding phrases, as songwriters 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: called them. 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: It's funny. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: I'd never heard that phrase anyway before. He wrote proper 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: lyrics to fit the melody. But he was so weirded 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: out by it. And I'd never heard this before, he recalled, 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: and I quote Maca himself. For about a month, I 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: went around to people in the music business and asked 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: them whether they had ever heard it before. I thought 31 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: if no one claimed it after a few weeks, then 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: I could have it. But he was kind of surprised 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: that it sprang from his mind and not memory. 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could see how you think I must 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: have heard this somewhere. 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny. This guy either doesn't know where, 37 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't mention it. And he's a British he's like 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: the head of this psychology department at a British university. 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: A lecture and he didn't mention that. 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: Keith Richards wrote Satisfaction, the Riff and everything when he 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: woke up in the middle of the night. He woke 42 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: up in the morning to see that his entire tape 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: from his cassette recorder was all the way toward the 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: played end or recorded end, like it had run out 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: of tape, and he's like, what the hell, why was 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: my Why does my tape look like that? He rewound 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: it and listened to it, and he had zero memory 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: of playing. 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: That riff in the middle of the night. That song 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: would have never existed if he hadn't decided to record it. 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: I am definitely learned that if you have, you know, 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: those kind of moments, whether you're waking up or any time, man, 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: you got to write them down or they're gone. 54 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: That is one of the points they make Jack here 55 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: a hundred potent, Right, you've done it. Myself thought, yeah, 56 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: I'll wake up, I'll remember this because it's so good. 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know your only point isn't about songwriting, But 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: I know most of the great songwriters talk about this 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: idea that like the songs are in the you know, 60 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: in the universe, and they show themselves and you've got 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: to grab them when you get a chance to grab them, 62 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: or that's your only option, which is a weird concept. 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I was awake in the middle of the 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: night when I wrote Sweet Home, Alabama. 65 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: They stole it from me, those long haired bastards. But hippies. 66 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's okay. I know in my heart I 67 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: wrote it. But anyway, So this hypnogogic state where you're 68 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: like almost asleep and half awake, they think it uncouples 69 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: your conscious mind from concerns and you know, worrying through 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: the things you have to do, and just your worries 71 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: and cares and that sort of thing, and your creative 72 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: mind is able to just process more openly. They did 73 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the study in twenty twenty one where participants in a 74 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: hypnogogic state were three times more likely to discover the 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: hidden rule that could solve a mathematical problem. Now, I've 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: never participated in that sort of mathematical riddle before, I 77 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: can't really relate to it. But again, the people in 78 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: that sleepy headed state were three times more likely to 79 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: discover the hidden rule have it occur to them. Psychologists 80 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: associate creativity with qualities such as openness to experience and 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: cognitive flexibility. Others have suggested that creativity arises from coordination 82 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: between the cognitive control network of the brain, which deals 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: with planning and problem solving, and the default mode network, 84 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: which is associating with daydreaming and mind wandering. 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: I think it. It's got to have something to do 86 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: with it. These thoughts about math or music or whatever 87 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: ideas you have aren't being blocked out by the you know, 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: the problems of the moment that you're dealing with all 89 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: day long, obscuring them. Sure, yeah, before you wake up 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: enough to think, oh god, it's Thursday. That's right, I 91 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: have a test and I got to pick up my 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: kid and all these different things. 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: For a brief period, our mental boundaries are permeable, and 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: there is chance a chance creative insights and ideals will 95 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: flow through from the subliminal mind. Here's where I get 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: even more militant, just for myself. I'm not talking about 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: you people, just talking about myself and kind of. 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: The people I care about, who I will lecture. 99 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: This is why creativity is often associated with relaxation and idleness. 100 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: When we relax, our conscious minds are usually less active. 101 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: Often when we are busy or looking at a screen, 102 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: our minds are full of chattering thoughts, so there is 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: no space for creative insights to flow through. That is 104 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: why meditation is strongly associated also with creativity. Perhaps more importantly, 105 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: meditation quiets and softens the conscious minds, so we're more 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: liable to receive inspiration from beyond it. 107 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: That is so interesting. 108 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: I have become an absolute advocate for boredom. Every single day. 109 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: Make yourself bored. And if I'm standing wow, wow, that 110 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: is scathing and hilarious, Michael, that is my highest grade 111 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: for sarcastic hilarity. Every day, if I'm waiting for the 112 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: doctor to come into the waiting room, I do not 113 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: look at my phone. I look around at the posters 114 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: trying to sell me on botox or a new knee 115 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: or whatever the hell, and I intentionally don't occupy my mind. 116 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do that every single day. And you know, 117 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: you do it if you want, don't do it if 118 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: you don't want to. But I really I've become a 119 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: believer that you've got to let your mind unwind. And 120 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: it takes a minute. Yeah, I mean, you're an advocate 121 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: for meditation, Jack, and I'm. 122 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: To say, every single day for twenty minutes. Yeah, I 123 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: rarely miss, and if I do miss, at this point, 124 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: it's almost intolerable. So I don't know what happened there, 125 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: But if I miss a day, it is so freaking noticeable. Yeah, 126 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: So I do it every day, usually right when we 127 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: get off off the air, I go plug in my 128 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: Tesla and sit there and I meditate for twenty minutes. 129 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: I actually do this thing where I write down it's 130 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: a suggestion from some people. Write down my fears and 131 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: resentments on a piece of paper, handwritten, then meditate for 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: twenty minutes. And huge part of my life at this point. 133 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: I remember one year of your Christmas present to me 134 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: was you wrote Joe's an asshole five hundred times in 135 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: a raw and you put it in a nice frame 136 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: and he gave it to me. And that was really 137 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: that was nice. 138 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: That was nice. 139 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: You took the time special Christmas. Yeah, it was a 140 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: very special Christmas, Michael. 141 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: So I do the kind of meditation where you have 142 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: a mantra you go back to. That's the only meditation 143 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: that's ever worked for me. And I've tried every other 144 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: kind that exists, and I just couldn't do it. But 145 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: the mantra kind, I can. 146 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: Is it one mantra or do you have? Does it change? 147 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: It's one? They give it to you. You have to 148 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: keep it secret, Okay, it's the whole thing sounds like 149 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: a scam. Like I've talked about before, you have to 150 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: pay to get your mantra, which just sounds scam olicious. 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: All I know is that it's the only meditation that's 152 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: ever worked, and I it's made my life better, so 153 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: it was worth it. 154 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Mine is in a Gotta Da Vada, very old. 155 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: Classic rock reference. 156 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: The other thing I do is when I and this 157 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: is an ironic thing to say, and I probably shouldn't, 158 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of podcasts that I absolutely love. 159 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: I know I always claim there's just one arse, but 160 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: usually I try once a day when I'm walking Baxter, 161 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: just to look at the trees, look at the leaves, 162 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: look at the sky, look at the grass, just take 163 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: in the world. 164 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: It calms me. Do you find it or so does 165 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: a great podcast? Do you find it at all? Hard 166 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: to do? Sometimes? Yes, yeah, So I have. 167 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: To remind myself this is why you do this, and 168 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: it's a good idea. 169 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: My example of that I used to I've told this 170 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: story many times, and this is way before podcasts stuff 171 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: like that. When my mind was much slower, when I 172 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: used to do a lot of motorcycle trips and I 173 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: on the motorcycle. I didn't have any sort of mechanism 174 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: for listening to music or podcasts or any of it. 175 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: It was just my own brain. And I've done a 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: lot of Katie. This is years ago. Nineteen ninety eight, 177 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: I rode to Sturgis, so I rode my Harley all 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: the way out. I went through Kansas when up Sturgis 179 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: came back in South Kona. I did forty five hundred 180 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: miles total. That's a lot of miles. And when I 181 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: would first start out on a trip, it was just 182 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: painful to be there just with my thoughts, just like, 183 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: how am I gonna do this all day long? Just 184 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: staring at the road with my own thoughts. But once 185 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: I'd get in the groove, I could go for hours 186 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: easily without effort, and then I would go to sleep. 187 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: In the next day, do another eight ten hours in 188 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: the saddle effortlessly, but then like a couple of days 189 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: of normal life. Next trip, first hour or so, just painful. 190 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: Getting your mind to slow down to where you can 191 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: do that is not easy. But once you do, once 192 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: you get in that zone, you can do it. Farmers 193 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: probably you know back in the day behind a mule 194 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: for fifteen hours. Probably easy for him. 195 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Start thinking, Man, this mule's got a nice ass, so 196 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: you gotta be careful. 197 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: It cuts both way, and for people who would think 198 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: that would be you know, there was nothing to do, 199 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: life was so boring. How many of them needed anxiety 200 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 2: medicine or wanted to hang themselves at the end of 201 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: the day or whatever. 202 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: Very few, Katie's missing The really beautiful point you're making 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: here is my fault. 204 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: It's because I'm a child, all right. That was funny. 205 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: I have never ended a day of alone with my 206 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: own thoughts, like on those motorcycle trips or camping or whatever, 207 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: where I'm like anxious in wish I were dead. Yeah, ever, no, 208 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: well said. 209 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: See, my mom has been recommending meditation to me since 210 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 4: I don't even remember how long it's been. But I 211 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 4: have a real problem with the whole shutting it down. 212 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: Well that's why, Yeah, I me too. It was I'm 213 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: surprised because you seem so placid. It was awful until 214 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: I came across this. You know, I'm not. I don't 215 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: make any money off of pitching TM as a meditation. 216 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: They charge you for it. It's weird. You have to 217 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: bring a fresh fruit, a white piece of cloth, and 218 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: a flower. I know you're giving me that because that 219 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: sounds insane, sounds. 220 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: Like it's one of those white elephant gift exchanges for 221 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: Christmas and they charge you based on how much money 222 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: you make. 223 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, and so I paid over a thousand bucks 224 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: for this class. 225 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it sounds like it's doing a lot 226 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: of good though. 227 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: It's one of the best things I've ever been in 228 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: my life. 229 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, Well, got your money's worth. 230 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: That's what I always tell people. I say, it's got 231 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: scam written all over it, and the hole you got 232 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: to keep it secret. To me, It's like, if you 233 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: care about people like being placid, why didn't you give 234 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: this away for free? Why are you charging money? But 235 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: what I've whatever, I'm not worried about that. It just 236 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: it works for me to bring. 237 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: Is it a whole watermelon or that's what I was thinking. 238 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: I think I brought an apple, a white handkerchief, and 239 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,359 Speaker 2: then some flowers. 240 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: Final note from this article. Because it's pretty good. We 241 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: can also use the technique of conscious napping to generate ideas. 242 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Whenever the great inventor Thomas Edison was stuck for a 243 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: solution or new idea. He would allow himself to drift 244 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: it into unconsciousness while holding a metal ball as he 245 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: fell asleep. The ball would clatter to the ground and 246 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: awake him when he would often find that a new 247 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: insight had emerged. 248 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: Wow, now that's an interesting one. 249 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: I actually heard Michael Savage talk about that once years ago. 250 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: More generally, we should use idleness as a way of 251 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: cultivating creativity. Don't think of napping or relaxing as a 252 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: waste of time. To Jack's point, far from being unproductive, 253 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: this may lead to the most inspired ideas, an insight 254 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: of our lives. That's what I'm going to do on 255 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: our vacation, a whole lot of just thinking. 256 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: That's my plan. And I don't really need inspired creative 257 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: insights to invent something new or write a melody or whatever. 258 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: But being you know, happy is a worthwhile goal. Content 259 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: better word. 260 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're here. 261 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: I mean I got like, I know the kind of 262 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: guy you are, similar to the kind of guy I am. 263 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: If somebody tells tells you, okay, I'll teach you how 264 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: to meditate, but I need you to bring a clean 265 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: white piece of cloth, a piece of fruit, and a flower, 266 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: and I'm going to charge you based on your income. 267 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: Doesn't that just immediately make you think what? 268 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, it does. Sounds like a cult. 269 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: That's that's what my son calls it, because I've been 270 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: trying to get him to meditate because he his mind 271 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: just tortures him. And I'm not going to do your 272 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: cult voodoo because he knows about the cloth and the fruit. 273 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: I remember there was a great deal of concern about 274 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: TM in the seventies probably or eighties, early eighties in 275 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: my church community. 276 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: Which I grew up. 277 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: What were they afraid it was doing taking you in 278 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: a different direction than Christianity in. 279 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: Short, as a substitute. I could see how that could happen. Yeah, 280 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: if you're I guess if you're, If you're you know, 281 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: if you're going to church to be like content and 282 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: the meditation works, maybe you stop going to church. That 283 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: could be their concern, I suppose. 284 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, my recollection was at that point in my life, 285 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: I was only interested in getting a girlfriend and winning 286 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: baseball games, so I didn't I wasn't personally very concerned 287 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: about it. 288 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: And one final pitch is watch any of Jerry Seinfeld's 289 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: long videos about TM. They're pretty damned interesting. Or Jennifer Aniston, 290 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: who says she'd she'd rather soft her arm than give 291 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: up her mantra she does the DMO. 292 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: Okay ah, well, I guess that's it.