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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, second hour Clay and Buck kicks off right now,

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Speaker 2: and as we are talking to you, the House of

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Speaker 2: Representatives vote for Speaker of the House is underway in

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Speaker 2: real time here because as you know, we are live.

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan is at thirty eight votes, McCarthy is at

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Speaker 2: two votes, and Jeffries is at thirty seven votes. So

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Speaker 2: we will this hour have an update for you on

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Speaker 2: whether we have a new House Speaker. I do believe

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Speaker 2: that what all said and done is going to be

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, but it may take a few votes to

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Speaker 2: get there. I think last I checked there were something there.

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Speaker 2: It was a single digit for sure holdouts on Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 2: It was just a very small number at that but

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Speaker 2: that's been changing hour by hour. So as we have

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Speaker 2: updates for you, Oh, Jordan just got to forty one.

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Speaker 1: You know, as we have updates, we will tell you whether.

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Speaker 2: Or not this is a settled issue and we can

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Speaker 2: talk more about the implications. I want to bring us

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Speaker 2: back for a second though, if I could to Representative

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Speaker 2: Alexandria Ocasio Cortes AOC and what she has been saying

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Speaker 2: here about the situation in Gaza and the Israeli response

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Speaker 2: to the mass casualty, really mass murder terror attack by

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Speaker 2: Hamas that happened last week. And I think that this

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Speaker 2: was a look, AOC is not somebody that I would

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Speaker 2: go to for advice on well anything, but certainly on

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Speaker 2: national security, military affairs, intelligence matters. Intelligence in the broadest

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Speaker 2: sense we could say here with AOC, but specifically like CIA,

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Speaker 2: Mossad intelligence stuff too. And here she is trying to

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Speaker 2: explain to CNN. And it was interesting because CNN's Abbie

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Speaker 2: Phillip was wasn't just going along with this one. You know,

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Speaker 2: at CNN they do they you know, they're a main stream,

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Speaker 2: if you will, Democrat network, and so they don't put

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Speaker 2: a lot of big Hamas fans on the air over

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Speaker 2: at CNN, and so there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: pushback here. Let's let's start with this one. Here's AOC

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Speaker 2: trying to explain why, now after the Maskagy terror attack,

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Speaker 2: with Hamas having suffered very little reprisal or response, AOC

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Speaker 2: wants a ceasefire play twenty six.

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Speaker 3: I think what's important to note about a ceasefire is

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Speaker 3: that it's not one sided. Hamas has been sending thousands

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Speaker 3: of rockets in Israel as well. And what is important

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Speaker 3: is for us to identify our goal in terms of

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Speaker 3: what safety means, in terms of what defense means.

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Speaker 4: And I think a congressman, I think the position from

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Speaker 4: Israel's perspective that there was already an attack and Hamas

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Speaker 4: believe that they should not respond to that.

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Speaker 3: I think what is important in terms of response, Israel

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Speaker 3: does have a right to self defense. I think what

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Speaker 3: we need to take a look at in this situation

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Speaker 3: is if collective punishment qualifies as defense clay.

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Speaker 1: It strikes me.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's babbel, it's nonsense, it's gibberish meant to

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Speaker 2: avoid offending the far left constituents who are the biggest

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Speaker 2: some level of Hamas.

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Speaker 5: Can we go back to the open there? I don't

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Speaker 5: know if you I don't know if my mic was on,

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Speaker 5: if you heard me laughing, Did you hear her Buck

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Speaker 5: explain what a ceasefire is? Yes, as if people are

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Speaker 5: like I mean, are there people who think that the

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Speaker 5: ceasefire actually means you can we play that just that

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Speaker 1: I mean, this woman is an imbecile.

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Speaker 5: But just listen to this as she explains what's important

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Speaker 5: to know what a ceasefire actually means.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I think what's.

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Speaker 3: Important to note about a ceasefire is that it's not

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Speaker 3: one sided. Hamas has been sending thousands of rockets into

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Speaker 1: Oh, so it's not one sided.

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Speaker 5: A ceasefire that was one sided would really not be

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Speaker 2: Right, So, well, what she's trying to say here is

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Speaker 2: there'd be some benefit to Israel as well because the

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Speaker 2: is is well prepared to deal with those rockets. The

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Speaker 2: Israelis also want to deal with the viper's nest, that

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Speaker 1: I mean, what.

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Speaker 2: Nation state, what country in the hist of the world

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Speaker 2: It's it's crazy. I mean, but this is a constant theme.

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Speaker 2: What the left does is they create a world where

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Speaker 2: there are no standards to which you can hold Hamas.

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Speaker 2: There are no standards, you know, there's no blame that

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Speaker 2: that the Palestinians and or Hamas does wrong is the

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Speaker 2: fault of the Israelis. And then they also simultaneously will

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Speaker 2: say that Israel must be held to standards that no

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Speaker 2: is held to for you know, perfection in its military

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Speaker 2: response when it comes to lack of civilian casualties, or

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Speaker 2: you know, willingness to take threats to its core national

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Speaker 5: Well, buck, we played that Medea Medius on clip or

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Speaker 5: he blamed conservative talk radio for the murdering someone. AOC

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Speaker 5: is trying to argue the exact opposite right, and this

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Speaker 5: is what the left is trying to argue. They regularly

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Speaker 5: argue that individual actors, whether it's Kyle Rittenhouse, whether it's

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Speaker 5: anybody who committed a violation on January sixth of the law,

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Speaker 5: that they are all directly representative for the larger group

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Speaker 5: of which they are a small part, right, that there

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Speaker 5: is a collective guilt that everybody is responsible for January sixth.

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Speaker 5: If you're a Trump supporter, you're responsible for January six

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Speaker 5: If you're a conservative talk radio host or a conservative

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Speaker 5: talk radio listener, you're responsible for this murder that just happened. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: anyone that Hamas is collectively not responsible for anything, Right,

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Speaker 5: That's the first argument is they're just responding to Israel's provocations,

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Speaker 5: But then they simultaneously will say, oh, well, Hamas that

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Speaker 5: you can't connect them to Gaza because not every member

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Speaker 5: And so you come back to and you want collective

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Speaker 5: this one conservative talk radio listener maybe committed a murder,

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Speaker 5: and therefore this is caused by listening to conservative talk radio.

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Speaker 5: But there is no responsibility for anyone in Palestine for

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Speaker 5: what Hamas did at all.

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Speaker 1: So it's a refusal.

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Speaker 5: Ultimately, what the left fails at buck is individual responsibility.

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Speaker 5: They can't ever accept that you are the captain of

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Speaker 5: the master of your domain, that you are responsible for,

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Speaker 5: the individual life choices that you make. All of it

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Speaker 5: is collective. If you fail, and if your enemies fail,

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Speaker 5: it's colle But there's never any individual responsibility.

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Speaker 2: That's really what it kind of boils down to. She continues,

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Speaker 2: We work with her analysis here, which I think people

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Speaker 4: Israel to deal with Hamas, which is a force that

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Speaker 4: is actually detrimental to Palestinian absolutely, how else are they

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Speaker 4: supposed to address a violent militant, some say terrorist group,

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Speaker 4: other than to go in there right and take them

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, when we talk about going in there,

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Speaker 3: I think we should also keep in mind President Biden's

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Speaker 3: statements as well about what a potendent, what the implications

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Speaker 3: of the potential ground invasion would be. This is an

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Speaker 3: inherently complex situation. I do believe that Hamas needs to

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Speaker 3: and I think what we're trying to figure out right

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Speaker 3: now is that this present situation of collective punishment and

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Speaker 3: indiscriminate attack is one approach. But we are seeing that

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Speaker 3: the issues and the complications with that approach.

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Speaker 2: Now, this notion of collective punishment. You know, there there's,

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Speaker 2: first of all, there are all these different groups in

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Speaker 2: there's you know, the UN passes all these condemnations. Uh,

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Speaker 2: but you know China. Yeah, but they're always condemning Israel's

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Speaker 2: you know, beyond that though when she first of all,

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Speaker 2: she's just saying things like this is complicated. We know

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Speaker 2: it's complicated. No one's saying that there aren't complexities involved here.

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Speaker 2: It's a very serious and very tragic situation and that's

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Speaker 2: the CNN anchor Abby Abby Phillips makes the very good

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Speaker 2: and essential point, which is these are terrorists who want

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Speaker 2: to murder as real.

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Speaker 1: They just showed us this.

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Speaker 2: What what do you want to have happened here? It

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Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of the movement on the

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Speaker 2: left when there's somebody who's likening around wants to stab everybody,

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Speaker 2: and they're like, send a social worker. It's like, sometimes

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Speaker 2: In fact, sometimes it's immoral to respond to force with

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Speaker 2: in the state of Israel to deal with this threat, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if someone during a home invasion,

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Speaker 2: a cease fire. They're in your home, they're a threat to.

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Speaker 5: You, well even crazier once they shoot you, you don't

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Speaker 1: Then we should have a ceasefire. Right like that?

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Speaker 5: That is effectively what's going on is we got an

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Speaker 5: updated we The breaking news right now is that Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 5: I thought this is going to happen, fails to win

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Speaker 5: the House speaker seat. It's Jordan ninety two, Scalast three,

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Speaker 5: bit of a mess, because some people can decide not

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Speaker 5: So he's got he's got to get. He can only

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Speaker 2: So, uh, three for Scalise and three for McCarthy and

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna go through. We're gonna go through this

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be uh. I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: Smoke filled rooms, but it's actually kind of hard to

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Speaker 2: find a smoke filled room these days. Only a couple

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Speaker 2: allows you to smoke.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's actually a really great point because when I

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Speaker 5: was in college there, indoor smoking was still kind of that.

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Speaker 5: New York City the first place to do away with

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Speaker 2: One of these that is what let me let me

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Speaker 2: one of the authoritarian Bloomberg moves, and I got to

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Speaker 5: I get it like all the nanty state stuff. But

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Speaker 5: anybody who has ever been a women, in particular, if

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Speaker 5: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. So updating

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Speaker 5: the ongoing vote inside of the House, there are going

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Speaker 1: He could only get five.

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Speaker 5: So I think the question that has to be asked

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Speaker 1: And let's say there's fifteen or twenty people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll figure out something. They probably want some

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Speaker 2: to your point, they want some concessions out of Jordan.

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Speaker 2: They want him to I don't know what they are.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna do very much. Yes, so you know,

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Speaker 1: In econonic, Yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: I want a jury.

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Speaker 5: civil in New York like whatever like that. That is

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Speaker 5: I understand Trump cares about it. And from a business perspective,

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Speaker 5: it's illegitimate, it's worthless. The only reason it's happening is

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Speaker 5: because he decided to run as a Republican for elective

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Speaker 5: office from New York. Okay, that that's that story. But

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to impact in any way

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Speaker 5: the election itself in terms of what happens in that

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Speaker 5: court room. Okay, So the gag order that has come down,

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Speaker 5: the two to three page I was reading, Julie Kelly

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Speaker 5: has kind of dissected it from Judge Chuck and and

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Speaker 5: that's in the and I get it's confusing. This is

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Speaker 5: in the DC court, which is right now scheduled to

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Speaker 5: go to trial in March fourth, and is related to

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Speaker 5: charges brought by Jack.

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Speaker 1: Smith associated with January sixth.

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Speaker 5: So the question that I have now having read that

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Speaker 5: order Buck, basically it's all at Judge chutkins discretion.

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to violate the gag order. I agree,

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Speaker 1: interest one.

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. Trump is going to violate the gag

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Speaker 5: order the way that she has written. What is she

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Speaker 5: going to punish him by doing. One opportunity is fines,

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Speaker 5: that is whatever. I think Trump will pay the fines,

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Speaker 5: like you know, you're basically being and and being taxed

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Speaker 5: on that. What is more troubling is the potential buck

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Speaker 5: that she could order a house arrest or even order

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Speaker 5: an arrest, because not only is he going to violate

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Speaker 5: the gag order, buck, I think he's going to violate

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Speaker 5: the gag order forty five times.

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Speaker 1: So Trump last night Clay addressed this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and just you know, because sometimes we bring this

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Speaker 2: up and people say, don't even talk about such a thing. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying himself, I will go to jail to

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Speaker 2: save the country.

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Speaker 1: Play. Judge gave a.

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Speaker 7: Gag order today.

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Speaker 6: Did you hear that?

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Speaker 7: On speech?

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Speaker 2: Which I believe is totally.

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Speaker 1: She gave a gegorder.

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Speaker 7: Judge doesn't like me too much. Her whole life is

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Speaker 7: not like in me.

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Speaker 1: But she came a gag order. You know what a

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Speaker 1: gag order is.

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Speaker 7: You can't speak badly about your opponent.

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Speaker 1: But this is weaponry.

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Speaker 7: All being done because Joe Biden is losing the election

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Speaker 7: and losing very very badly to all of us in

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Speaker 7: the polls.

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Speaker 1: He's losing badly. But what they don't.

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Speaker 7: Understand is that I am willing to go to jail

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Speaker 7: if that's what it takes for our country to win

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Speaker 7: and become a democracy again.

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Speaker 2: Can I just take a step back here, the former

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Speaker 2: president of the United States and leading Republican presidential contender

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Speaker 2: is saying, I'm willing to go to jail. Yeah, campaign released.

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Speaker 2: That is where we are right now.

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Speaker 5: Well, and again, we had Julie on yesterday. But I

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Speaker 5: think it's so important to kind of put in people's

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Speaker 5: minds where we are because the analogy that I've used

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Speaker 5: buck and I think it's a good one for a

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Speaker 5: lot of you out there. Sometimes people get engaged and

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Speaker 5: you're like, you know, this means that you end up

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Speaker 5: getting married, right, And it's not a couple that you

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Speaker 5: think should be getting married, and.

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Speaker 1: So you're like, yeah, we're going to have a wedding

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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 5: And a lot I think a lot of times guys

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Speaker 5: make this decision because they feel pressure. They've been dating

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Speaker 5: them time they they advise them, it does not buy

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Speaker 5: them time. What it does is give you a definitive

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Speaker 5: date by which your time ends. And a lot of

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Speaker 5: guys are like, Okay, well, we'll get married next year.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: You hear a guy be like, well, we didn't want

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Speaker 5: to rush it, so we're going to be Mary engaged

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Speaker 5: for eighteen month. I'm always suspicious when people are engaged

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Speaker 5: for like, you know, twenty months, like real, well, you

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Speaker 5: couldn't find any time to get anyway. And if you're

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Speaker 5: a woman and you're listening right now and you're engaged

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Speaker 5: to a guy and he's like, well, we don't need

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Speaker 5: to rush.

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Speaker 1: This, we can do this in twenty two months, like why, well.

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Speaker 5: You know, just be skeptical, I would say, in general,

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Speaker 5: but once you get engaged, eventually it means that you

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Speaker 5: either get married or you have to call off the engagement.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I Democrats have so accelerated their war

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Speaker 5: against Trump that I think they liked the sugar rush

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Speaker 5: of we're charging him with the crime. Yeah, now look

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Speaker 5: at this, and in some way they thought the charges

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Speaker 5: would make them feel better than they have. And as

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Speaker 5: we're getting closer to this trial, it's starting to raise

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Speaker 5: questions which are very strange but need to be discussed,

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Speaker 5: such as, are you really going to try to put

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Speaker 5: the president of the United States, former president, current leading

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Speaker 5: political contender to be president again in prison for profoundly

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Speaker 5: political related charges. And I think where Trump can call

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Speaker 5: the bluff on Chutkin the judge and d buck is

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Speaker 5: I don't think she's gonna do anything other than charge

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Speaker 5: him money, because the best thing that could happen to

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Speaker 5: Trump would be before he even gets tried, if Democrats

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Speaker 5: put him in prison, Because then if I were advising

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Speaker 5: him strategically, I would say, violate this gag order like crazy,

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Speaker 5: call her bluff. If she's going to try to put

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Speaker 5: you in prison for calling out what you believe is

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Speaker 5: an illegitimate trial against you, then I think that's gonna

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Speaker 5: play very poorly because you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't then.

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Speaker 5: Buck point to even hey, a jury convicted you, then

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Speaker 5: it's one judge decided she doesn't like what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: And I think that plays very well for Trump because

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Speaker 5: it definitely looks like the power of the Democrat Party

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Speaker 5: a rate against him. Even more so because what twelve

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Speaker 5: random jurors. At least they could point to.

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Speaker 1: Him and be like.

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Speaker 5: Her, he did a jury of his peers. Even though

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Speaker 5: it's a DC jury, it's not really a jury of

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Speaker 5: his peers. Coffs over opinions, that's a win for him.

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Speaker 5: It's like my cousin Vinny thing. Remember when he starts,

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Speaker 5: he gets I was actually watching that yesterday. I was

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Speaker 5: watching it a couple of days ago too, it was

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Speaker 5: on television.

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Speaker 1: It was a great movie.

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Speaker 2: And and remember that that you know that southern judge

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Speaker 2: and uh god, I can't remember his name, but you

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Speaker 2: know the attorney he's playing from New York. They don't

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Speaker 2: get along in the beginning. And there are some contempt citations, yes,

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Speaker 2: that that come out of all that Trump is There's

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Speaker 2: no way that Trump is going to abide by this,

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Speaker 2: and so I think he he is going to be

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Speaker 2: in a position where he's going to be paying some fines.

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Speaker 2: I do think like even at this point, I have

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Speaker 2: the Democrats want to put Trump in a cell for

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Speaker 2: some period of time.

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Speaker 1: Are they actually gonna do it? Are they really going

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Speaker 1: to try to do that?

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Speaker 5: I don't and isn't even legal to do it? Again,

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Speaker 5: it sounds like a crazy sitcom pitch the president goes

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Speaker 5: to prison.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna let him get shipped somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I think they would have to close down on a

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Speaker 2: wing of a prison basically and keep him in what

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Speaker 2: would be like administrative segregation, where you know, the Secret

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Speaker 2: Service would basically be his jailers. I mean, they'd be

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Speaker 2: there with him to protect him, but he'd be in

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Speaker 2: some kind of confinement.

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Speaker 1: Tell me that's not a sitcom.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's insane, yes, And I know as I'm

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Speaker 2: saying this that this is insane. But guys, he's facing

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Speaker 2: multiple felony indictments.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just this is where I don't think Democrats have

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Speaker 1: We want to continue to update you on that.

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Speaker 5: And what I am seeing Buck correct me if you're

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Speaker 5: seeing something different, is that twenty different Republicans voted against

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Speaker 5: Jim Jordan on the first run of the House Speaker vote,

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Speaker 5: and he could lose. I believe the number is five,

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Speaker 5: all of those aspects of this. So the question now

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Speaker 5: will look like for Jim Jordan going forward as we

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Speaker 5: get ready for potentially a second ballot, which might well

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Speaker 5: happen while we're on the air as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this ends with Jim Jordan being Speaker.

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Speaker 1: I don't see a way around that. So it's really up.

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Speaker 2: To the people that are holdouts on the Jordan's side

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Speaker 2: of things. And look, this is also another reminder of

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Speaker 2: why you want to have I think a well, there

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Speaker 2: are many reasons why, but you want to have a

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Speaker 2: big Republican majority in the House because what we've seen

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Speaker 2: here is the majority is so narrow that a very

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Speaker 2: small group of Congressmen can create big problems for the

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Speaker 2: GOP caucus, Like it can become a real issue very quickly.

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Speaker 2: So you know, you want to be in a position

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Speaker 2: where you can't have five, six, seven, whatever it is

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Speaker 2: members of the GOP holding up all the business that

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Speaker 2: they want to unless there's they're very clear on what

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Speaker 2: it is that they want. I mean, I see here now,

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Speaker 2: and I wonder. I'm like, so there's some votes for

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Speaker 2: Scales and some votes for McCarthy. That's not going to like,

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Speaker 2: that's not going to happen, right it Scalise, I think

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Speaker 2: you just told me voted for Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So there are people who are voting for Steve Scalise,

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Speaker 2: and Steve Scalise is voting for Jim Jordan. Correct, So

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Speaker 2: what is being accomplished in all of this at this point?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing to Alice McCarthy, but it's

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Speaker 2: another thing. I think to sit here and and then

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Speaker 2: look The good news is this is it's a political story,

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Speaker 2: it's real time, it's live, we're covering it. Oh look,

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Speaker 2: Representative Patrick McHenry, speaker of this, speaker's pro tempore temporary

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Speaker 2: you say, is it temporary temporary, right?

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Speaker 1: Or do you say.

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Speaker 5: Speaker pro temp I always cut off the last thing.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knows how to say the full right.

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Speaker 2: If it were Latin, it would be pro tempore, right,

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Speaker 2: But speaker pro temp going with that. He's talking right

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Speaker 2: now that and he's saying that Jim Jordan doesn't have

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Speaker 2: the votes for speakership. So I'd be very curious, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll hear something in the next you know,

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Speaker 2: probably by the time we're on again in the next hour.

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Speaker 1: What are the people who are not voting for Jim

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Speaker 1: Jordan want? You know what?

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Speaker 2: Fundamentally, what is it that they think can be accomplished

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Speaker 2: by all of this other than the possibility that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they want to make some statement, They want some attention

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Speaker 2: for an aspect of policy or a cause or this

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Speaker 2: is just again personal stuff, which has been a big

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Speaker 2: part of the Kevin McCarthy saga, no.

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Speaker 5: Doubt, and by the way, we should mention this too.

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Speaker 5: Will continue to follow this because it could turn into

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Speaker 5: a big story. There are reports that a hospital has

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Speaker 5: been hit in Gaza and that many people who are

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Speaker 5: Palestinian have died there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: Hamas oftentimes stores munitions and materials in places that they

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Speaker 5: think will not be attacked because they.

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Speaker 1: Want to preserve those materials.

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Speaker 5: They'll use basically human shields to try to protect their weaponry.

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Speaker 5: So that allegation is circulating could turn into a big

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Speaker 5: part of this story because it is inevitable and you

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Speaker 5: know this, two buck. At some point, the Israeli response

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Speaker 5: will kill civilians. It's almost impossible for that not to happen,

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Speaker 5: especially when that Hamas wants more civilians to side.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: When that happens, Hamas will try to issue a moral

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Speaker 5: equivalency and say, see, Israel is killing people just like

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Speaker 5: we killed people. They're no better than us, this is

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Speaker 5: why we had to invade in the first place, and

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Speaker 5: a lot of their allies in the media will trumpet

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Speaker 5: those same arguments.

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Speaker 1: Just giving you a prediction. Final Hour, Tuesday Edition